Everyone should watch this video, super well said. Quality is way more important than quantity and "play more" by itself is a shit take, no wonder there are so many 4-5 digit players with as much playtime as top players (myself included). I've also been a victim of the "more raw playtime = more skill" mindset when I was just cluelessly wishing for improvement, ofc it doesn't work and only leads to burnout, so your video spreading this awareness further pretty much made my day.
I really do feel that it's a discussion a lot of us need to hear- it's really easy to feel casted out when people tell you to play more each time you reach out for advice.
I have 1300 hours of playtime, and I can relate. The times I was actually improving and gaining ranks were times where I was actually focusing on the gaming, putting extra effort into consistency, accuracy, playing different skillsets to help my reading get better, setting myself actual goals, and playing just the right amount, not too much. I wasn't spending my whole day, I usually started by warmup for around 30 minutes, then have fun and play different skillsets to practice for another 30 minutes or so, and then go full farm for like an hour. Once I decided I "farmed enough for today", I would leave, and do the same the next day, and so on. But that's not actually THAT easy. It requires some good mindset, you need motivation, good health, feel good in your body, in your mind, on your setup, and you need TIME (at least for me, can't tell for everyone). These days I'm not into the game enough to do that, and sadly don't have the time anymore. I understood the general process of getting better at osu long ago, but I've very rarely actually put it into action, which is why I barely have just under 8000pp with over 1300 hours of playtime. I just play for "fun", mindlessly. Yes I'm having fun, but not improving. Just "enjoy the game" and "play more" aren't enough to improve.
Its incredible just how easy it is to play osu and not improve at all, i have these long stretches of time that last like 6 months where i am still actively playing the game (about 1000 plays per month) and yet i just dont improve at ALL, this is a game where you really need to focus and put active effort to improve
I often noticed how in certain mania patterns I just spam my keys and hope for the best. I absolutely know that I should replay the parts I can't play instead and learn the actual technique since it's getting too difficult to learn subconsciously. Grinding pp in general is also bad unless you're already a top player and improving your technique and pushing your limits seems like the best way to go.
I've finally been derusting and went from 16k to 13k in the past month because I realize how important it is to get perfect practice and coming to this epiphany before the video has really helped me out, so it's definitely really good advice, you can't just bruteforce skill you have to find the right maps for you and experiment. I strongly recommend osu collector to find tons of beatmaps in a certain type (for example, jumps, or speed) and finding a BPM you're super comfortable with. Never *hyperfocus*, try to train a bit of everything, but I split my collections into NM and DT and speed, general, and aim, and I used to play hyperspeed maps bc I was good at high BPM bursts but practicing a BPM you're more consistent with (my case being 250) can yield so many benefits too even for higher speeds just getting that consistency. Playing stuff that's FCable and then stuff that's definitely not FCable is also helpful, I just have been really finding success with being varied and adding songs I like hearing. Like honestly I think a big thing that can get overlooked in this is that there are great songs too that can help you train and just having songs you really like and being able to sort them into skillsets really helps. Playing more obviously helps too but like it's definitely about the quality.
@@Jaymusta For sure that 250bpm collection is immaculate ime and there's a bunch of other ones out there. It creates the collections for you which saves *a lot of time* and you can make new ones that derive off of the osu!collector ones for your own personal use. Really makes the process of finding maps you like or are just going for in that moment faster. Sightreading is always good of course but it's good to have familiar maps too sometimes
Another tip i found is on good days play more and on bad days play less Try to recall the feeling u have on the good days and over time you will see that u can do some maps u previously cannot Its a slow improvement plan so be patient and have fun
This video is super well made; I'm looking forward to what you have planned for the community. Something I struggle with is with having a clear intention each time I play. Playing fewer maps with less than 10 misses initially which test a variety of skills and aiming to improve my best score from yesterday until I eventually FC over days/weeks might be a good idea, I've tried this before but haven't stuck with it consistently, cycling through a few sets maps over days could be more sustainable. One thing with osu! improvement advice which I notice is that not many people actually give practical suggestions on how to implement whatever idea they are talking about, but it's in the actual implementation where I tend to go wrong, and I imagine that many others would. It's like you mentioned about being in the dark with osu!, the community will never come to a consensus on what the "best practices" are when it comes to getting better at the game unless we are willing to iteratively test and share practices in the first place.
One thing I’d want to mention is that locking yourself into a few sets of maps to cycle through each time you play can backfire (from personal experience). It legitimately felt like it was helping, but it became rather limiting after a certain point. I mainly realized this when I made a connection that players like Vaxei just play whatever they feel like playing (within reason ofc). They go from playing one type of map, to playing another with whatever mod they feel like playing. Instead of dividing it into the no mod section, dt section, hr section, they just play what they feel like playing. Making how I approach osu! less structured like that ended up helping me way more in terms of things like consistency than I expected. Playing one type of map can help with playing another type of map. Getting used to switching between hr and no mod often can help with learning dt. Of course there is more to it for each person, which what they specifically need to improve on relatively speaking. But it’s also something to keep in mind. Repetition helps, but changing it up can also help when appropriate.
I'll keep it in mind for when I get back to playing standard actively, will experiment with what works best. Generally speaking, I can't handle the level of uncertainty which only going by feeling to decide what maps to play gives me - it's like I need a clear distinction between what I'm doing when I am practicing vs just playing for fun, otherwise I just go on autopilot.
Osu is not studied to death like chess or instrument playing, so it's not easy to steadily improve. It's up to a player to choose their own way of practice
When i play Mania The only thing i care is just "If i can pass 2★ without NF, i can pass 2.4★ without NF after some time. If i can pass 2.4★ without NF, i can pass 2.7★ without NF after some time"
I think many people misunderstood about "playing more" it's actually true that if you play more you'll improve if it doesn't work just play more and ofc you have to play smart + mindset is also important if you have a negative mindset ofc it'll keep holding you off easily, you should also play the star rating and BPM whichever your comfortable and with don't just play something that you can't do yet.
"insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results" -insert someone great here i forgot who said this but interestingly i still think "play more" is actually a good advice and people just took the wrong course of actions when i started playing rhythm game, i play because my friends were playing it, i was so bad but i loved the music selections there so i stick around. Of course i want to get a better score on songs i like so i experiment, use different fingers, change a bunch of settings, etc... But the one thing that affect my score the most is how i read the chart, i use all sort of ways to time a note, split pattern in random and weird way and eventually cultivate a playstyle that is basically alien to people who only follow the "general advice" i always think of "practice make perfect" not as "perfect practice make perfect" but "experiment make perfect", if you just try out every thing you can possibly do and do the most perfect one of course it will be perfect, not to mention while experimenting you also get the benefit of "play more" which is the motor skill which unlock more experiments an instrument is very intricate and complicated with many factors it depend on but osu! or rhythm game in general is extremely simple and all it really depend on is you (if your specs can't run osu! properly i don't know how to help you)
This is a pretty cool video. Its a shame that its not getting as much exposure as other osu! content creators but some of the things mentioned in the video are very true and informative.
i can agree with taking rest when you need it, i had from 3 to 4 months break free of osu then come back because an impulse then popping off like crazy Good video too, hope to see more in the future and have a good day everybody
i wanted so much to explain that to people and omg thats exactly the thing. your video was really good and i hope more people see that cuz theres a misunderstanding in the "play more" thing and you explained perfectly. its not how much you play more, its how you play more.
It's worth pointing out you can devise a "perfect practice" method of playing but end up going no where because you left out how to have fun doing so and probably get blinded by the need to improve or gain rank. Osu is a silly circle clicking game after all. Nice vid tho :p
That's why balance is needed, for example a free drawing course in the internet says that 50% of the time of drwing should be spent just per pure fun and the rest being practice, of course having this perfect ratio is basically impossible but the worst case scenario would definitely be going to heavy on the practice side because you would burn out in no time even if you're improving more or even worse because of the lack of enjoyment you not even improving.
Unfortunately compared to most games a lot of top players got away by just 'playing more', so basically people begun to see that as some sort of truth and almost nobody begin to really bother trying to find good methods for improvement, osu! might be one of the communities with the worst content in regards to improvement.
I'm a rhythm game nerd, in that I play a bunch of them. I started with D4DJ a few years ago. I have literally no clue how I went from playing on Normal to playing on Hard. I think I took a break from it for some time and when I returned I just felt compelled to play higher difficulty? I don't know. But I think there's genuinely something in that: a break (like weeks or even months) from rhythm games could act as a bit of a refresh, dialing up your focus or something when you do return I guess? And I can't even say how I improved in other rhythm games, as in I have absolutely no idea how I improved. For example, maimai. I would play level 5s and 6s, occasionally some 7s, now I mostly play in the range 8 - 10. Like, I didn't necessarily intend to improve, I just did. Now, as of this year, it's a different story though, as I've become determined to improve my rhythm game skills as much as possible. Reason being, I've made other rhythm gaming friends locally (via the local arcade, which has several rhythm games, multiple of which I play) who has pushed me to climb towards even greater heights. It has made me into one of the best rhythm gamers overall in my area, which I'm pretty proud about
tbh playing more is terrible advice but i usually see it targeted at terrible questions like "how do i improve???!!" If you ask specfic questions people will tend to give better answers ime another thing is that the osu community is relatively young compared to other rhythm games like vsrgs so a lot of the community culture is young in that way too. i've only heard of your channel but you seem to bring some of that much needed maturity and i'm excited to see what you have in store :D
I'm a mania player and recently i started to improve at my skill by simply playing maps that we're at my limit (3 stars) and also the ones who have the pattern i am better at (Jumpstreams), and that actually helped, i'm starting to feel better in the game and now i can beat 4* maps with ease and with a decent accuracy, proving that like you said, Quality > Quantity.
this was a really well made video and i agree with the message. recently i switched to mouse in standard because its more comfortable for me and it caused a huge drop in my skill for specifically aim, so ive just been playing lower bpm (~150 - 180 i like alt maps) more consistency based maps to try and slowly get better at aim and finger control and its actually been working so far. im so much more consistent on mouse now even though im still lacking in fast/far jumps also a bit of my own advice for anyone reading this: tapping to the rhythm of the song is so much more important than you may think, imagining how a metronome of the section will sound and replicating that with your keytaps will help your accuracy so much. its a lot harder to imagine 1/4 snap for things such as streams but it can still help a lot to imagine a 1/4 metronome for bursts and such
Rhythm sense as a skill that can also be developed is underrated for sure. Creating an image in your head while playing is also really helpful! Another thing that could be helping your consistency on mouse could be how playing with mouse forces you to read osu! in a different way. A friend of mine, and myself, have noticed that our reading gets better when returning to tablet after playing mouse for a while.
Play more is bullshit, play more WITH A GOAL IN MIND is the secret sauce I legit went from rank 120k to rank 55k in 2 months because i set myself a goal of being 5 digit, then when i saw how DOABLE getting 5 digit was i changed my goal to getting 100 Two Hundred pp plays and when i got it i just stopped playing for a whole ass month cuz i was retry spamming maps 50+ times everyday and it felt grueling (but also rewarding). Now im back and i want Ten 300pp plays, just 5 more to go
Hey man, just wanted to let you know that I discovered your channel by this video hitting my recommendations & I'm glad it did. This is the finest, most impeccably crafted osu video I've ever witnessed. I love your style, voice & personality. The BGM music were on point. Keep it going. Can I get a link to your music playlist or name of the songs used in the video?
Thank you! That's very nice of you to say :D As for the music I used- it's a mixture of Streambeats (by Harris Heller) and tracks I found from pixabay.com
Okay yea this is true, even works for osu!mania 4k, i was practicing for like 3 days and i saw my skill visibly get a little worse so i have the schedule of playing a few hours every 2-3 days and it made me reachbmy first 200pp in osu!mania (246 pp)
Play more is the biggest scam of all time. I have almost 1k hours and am low 5 digit while I regularly see players with half my playtime be way better than me.
@@osurelatedvigilante Social comparison in osu! is like a knife that cuts deeper each time you engage with it- but it can also be difficult to keep the comparisons to yesterday's you, while still looking for tips and strategies from other players for what you want to achieve in the game.
@@Jaymusta #1 dont keep comparisons with your yesterdays self, why the fuck would you want to do that instead set an achievable goal that you want to reach Play **while thinking**, what can help me get better. Nomod maps? High ar? Speed? New grip? Play more See results
@@osurelatedvigilante Limiting comparisons to the last time you played a map can give valuable input on how you have improved. It can be a source of feedback on your personal progress in achieving a goal. Completely ruling that out can lead to a lack of self awareness in whether you are actually getting closer to goals you have set for yourself. Not saying that it cannot backfire, but there is a balance to it.
Play more is still the only good advice about osu. But there is more! Keep in mind - what you learn is what you play. For example if you only play nomod, then you only learn nomod. For example if you spent 50k plays on nomod or dt and decided to play EZ - you know the results.
Overall to find improvement you need to keep a level head and understand areas in which you are lacking. Sadly, if all you do is "play for fun" that does not infact get you the kind of improvement a pro player does. Analyzing replays, identifying areas of improvement, grinding out maps that target those skills, and then going for the big pp play is how you improve. When I jumped from 90k to 30k I was doing exactly what this video was saying, I was highly motivated to improve and making very efficient use of time to do it and within about 150 hours I had improved more than I ever had in my time playing osu. Of course mixing in some of your favorite maps to enjoy is harmless while training, but expect to to be sinking in at least 2 hours everyday, between warm-up, training, playing for fun, and then pp farming. And I mean everyday seriously, taking too long of a break will not only setback your muscle memory but also throw away the stamina you've been building by playing everyday.
Pretty much agree there, except with the everyday part. You'd be surprised how much someone can get used to playing every other day. (I actually had to do this coming from a previous bout of rsi a few years ago) And the interesting thing was, I started playing better after doing that for at least 1 month. My understanding has come down to: 1. Those 1 day "breaks" allows your hands to rest (you are using muscles, let the muscles recover and come back stronger for the next session like a workout). You will get stronger faster if you have rest days for each muscle group you work out. Same with osu! 2. Ever notice how much better you play if you sleep really well the night before? Even if you haven't, separating/spacing yourself out from a routine can actually help your brain sort out what you worked on improving. This happens in the background subconsciously. I've come to call it "simmering"- like letting food simmer in a pot while cooking. The longer you leave the ingredients alone, the stronger the flavor. My experience has reflected these two points when I jumped from 40k to 10k in one month. But this is only my experience. And ofc like I said in my video, there is a balance. Just like how playing too often can lead to weakened/injured hands, playing too sparsely will make any progress minimal at best. And each person will have their own personal sweet spot with all that. If you are used to playing every day, then trying to play every other day will throw you off. Same goes for any other routine behaviors unless you stick to the change enough to adjust. Great comment btw! Edit: Also wanted to add- After a certain point, muscle memory will stick. (I was able to beat previous scores 1st try after a 2 year hiatus) It can take some time to derust and wake back up from a break, but you don't lose muscle memory. What you *do* lose is muscle strength and endurance. That would have to be built back up to match muscle memory if the break taken was long enough to warrant that.
As someone who also plays violin, a lot of the practice technique I learnt through playing violin translate directly into how I play osu. I believe I have a very good mental when it comes to practice and that's why I've come so far. I'm capable of playing the same map for 2 hours straight and improve at it in that time. A trap a lot of people fall into when it comes to improving through practice is playing the parts of the map you can play just fine constantly. If you keep playing the part you can hit 80% of the time and ignoring the part you hit 5% of the time it's a lot more likely you're gonna mindblock on the easier part. You need to practice the hard stuff or you won't improve. You can play a million 4 star maps and be incapable of playing 6-7 star maps
had a huge skill push time period for like 3months to get from like 60k to 16k and im feeling kinda idk just not like i used to, not as fun or something, so this video has come at the perfect time honestly but i think for now i will just take a break until i feel like insane improvement arc
I think for some people playing more just works. But you have to be consistent with it. Having 1000 hours on the game over like 5 years is different than like my friend who got like 5k+ playcount for months straight and like 800 hours in a single year of playing which made him get to 4 digit in under 2 years. You aren't going to improve if you don't play more obviously but you just have to be consistent with your practice and actually play maps that are the right difficulty to create growth.
ive always hated when people say play more i agree its terrible advice and when i explain to people that they just give me a glare like what r u talking abt as somebody who played rocket league semi pro its not about the hours its about how you spend those hours good video man u got a sub from me
Legit some people can get so good so fast and just play the game on weekends. It isn't so black and white as people make it out to be with playing more
i started playing in feb 2021, i am now at 3.9k, i improved incredibly quickly in my first year, then the second year the improvement slowed down, and now in my third year i have noticed very little to no improvement from last year, sometimes i can't even beat scores from more than a year ago, my aim has not improved at all, yet i went from my first 300pp play to my first 500pp play in a year and a half, and i realized the only thing that was improving was my consistency and acc, but aim quite literally died, maybe it's my horrible grip, maybe it's a skill wall, or maybe my aim just wont get any better than this. but idk
Have you considered taking a break from the game? (~1 month) I had a similar issue with tapping speed for streams/bursts, and I was able to overcome my temporary skill block after taking a 1 month break Sometimes coming back to the game from a break is what’s needed to overcome a hurdle like this
I see, something else I can suggest is maybe checking/adjusting your posture. That was another thing that really helped with my tapping issues. I’ve noticed that when my aim hand’s posture is off, I tend to aim worse When you say your aim died, what do you mean specifically? Jump/flow aim? Speed? Precision?
This take is just bad. The vast majority of players, including most top players, don't have any structure to their practice so the idea that structure is required to improve at higher levels is simply false. Some people can literally do exactly what you did and play maps way out of their skill range... only to improve and become 3 digits within a year or two of playing. Others can build the most optimal training regiment they can fathom and stay hardstuck for another year. Play more is what 99% of top players do. It would not follow that something other than play more is required to become a top player. In regards to that 1%, those are players like -gn or tournament players where their training has to be more specialized since their goals aren't simply to improve.
It’s true in the oversimplified sense. You can’t set a new score without playing the game at all. You have to play at least one more time to set at least one new score. It’s still super easy for people to play more by retry spamming 20 second farm maps to no avail. And that’s where the advice does more harm than good. They play more of what doesn’t help them (depending on their subjective goals ofc). There’s still a balance to it. What works for some top players, may not work for everyone else. It can help anyone, but not everyone. Another way to say it is: what helps one person, may very well end up hurting another person. Advice is relative, and very difficult to make completely universal without drawbacks. There’s also how some people are more receptive to picking up specific things within osu! relative to skillsets they had honed from other things in life. And that can play a part in players shooting up in rank without following specific things other players have to work through (Like that Overwatch esports player that almost fc’d Quaver top diff, etc.). But that’s another conversation.
@@Jaymusta This really doesn't directly address my point. Let's expand on your musical instrument analogy to illustrate why. Now when it comes to musicians the vast majority of all the best ones still need to do specific formal practice involving the learning of chords, scales, timing etc. Practically none of the best musicians were able to just sit down with their instrument and randomly attempt to play songs and find success. A very small amount of prodigies do, but it's not remotely close to the majority. Now let's look at osu. The vast majority of top players do not go through any specific formal practice of any kind. They simply attempt random songs and happened to become top players. It's only a small subset of top players that do any form of rigorous training in the forms of stream practice, flashlight, etc. Pretty much the only contradictions to this are absurd and obviously unintended. Things such as not playing Centipede or maps clearly out of your skill range, or not playing only a single map 10,000 times. These should be inherent to anyone that has learned anything ever. Of course doing something impossibly hard or repeating only a single form of practice won't yield results. This is true across every medium whether it be other video games, weightlifting, mathematics, cooking, quite literally any skill on the planet. If you don't exclude these things when hearing "play more" that isn't the fault of the advice giver, that's the receiver being completely devoid of any intelligent thought.
I agree with what you are saying- except for placing blame on the receiver of advice. When it comes to learning something new, being naïve and making mistakes are part of the process. It shouldn't be something to put someone down for unless they are knowingly being destructive with it. (Like when players acknowledge that retry spamming is like gambling, etc.) When it comes to introducing new players to the game, the lack of structure is what leads a lot of them getting lost. As more time passes, people understand things more. And when people understand things more, an effort is eventually made to close the gap between the people who understand and the people who don't. This applies to anything (tutorials for almost anything exist). It may not be something within direct control, but the processes to mitigate accidental ignorance can be iterated on. Basically, it's more of a team/community effort type thing that can take time to shift the overall perspective on it all.
Yeah no fucking shit you won't get better by just "playing more" if your average osu! session is retry spamming the first 20 seconds of a Sotarks' map. Think a little guys.
I've known someone who got decently good at osu!, and they were born with just a thumb and pinky on their tapping hand. If they could get to around your rank, I wouldn't say that bad genetics are the reason why you have that rank:hour ratio. If you are willing to challenge the way you approach the game to try and get better, you should not let your playtime and rank affect how you feel. Especially when compared to other people's stats.
gostei conteudo interessante, eu ja havia pensando em misturar essa ideia de aprendizado do violino e osu. mas oque importa no fim é se divertir e fazer aquilo que lhe faz bem oi
I disagree. This game is about honing mechanical skills. There's little advice you could give for this other than "play more/spent more time with this game". Deliberate practice can be helpful at times yes, but it's not for everyone. There're a billion ways to gitgud at this game, I think "play more" just forced ppl to find their own way.
Valid take. It is impossible to get better at the game if you don't play at all. A lot of the improvement from playing more can be attributed to the way players have to figure it out on their own through playing more. But I still see the other side in how each player is different, and that they could take the advice too far and play maps that won't allow them to get better at the game too much. And when that turns into a negative feedback loop of playing more and feeling worse from lack of tangible improvement, then the player may be forced to find a different way like you said.
the title is mostly click bait so minus points for that, you mention how playing more was bad for you(i kinda didnt focus on why it was bad for you, got to0 bored), but there are top players who literally say they played more and it worked for them(yes they probably foucsed instead of mindless playing, but i think its common knowledge everyone should do that) zylice for example says he played freedom dive when he could even play streams, he retry spammed until he learned it, so playing maps way out of your comfort zone can also work, so there is no correct way to play osu, your journey is your own. many other osu improvement videos also say the exact same thing in terms of play more(using focus and actively trying to correct your mistakes), players like white cat have tweeted about this topic, so yeah your advice is nothing new(you did not say it was new but i just wanted to mention). There is only one way to play osu, and that is to enjoy game, thats all tnx for reading. edit- after some thought is realize your video does more harm than good, newer players who started just palying can greatly benifit form playing more, you explain that in your video but what if someone misses that line or just sees the title of the video, so I really think you should not use such missleading titles.
A more concise summary of my video would be that it is super easy for players to take the advice to play more, and take it too far. I've personally had many friends quit the game solely due to this happening. They play too much and either burn out, or even injure themselves. They take "play more" too literally, and overdo it. The video aimed to spark conversation about how it isn't so black and white as people make it seem, and that there is a sort of balance to it. No two people experience osu! in the same way after all. -That was my intended message, and I understand that people may not get that from this video. Anything I said is open to interpretation/discussion after all. There is also how what helps one person, may hurt another. The example with Zylice worked out for him, but it may not be a universal strategy that everyone can follow. If someone who just started playing yesterday attempted what Zylice did with that map, they obviously wouldn't get anywhere. Anyone could benefit from it, but not everyone. Thank you for the comment though, I can tell you put a lot of thought into it.
@@Jaymusta yeah everything you said in short is very true and a lot of people agree on that. I was just a bit concerned with the phrasing of the video, "dont play more" is the energy of this video, it should be more along the lines of you should play more but actully foucs on the game, actively try to correct your mistakes, enjoy what you are doing, make sure your hands are comfortable, dont hurt yourself. this is what the other osu improvement channels do, its your channel so i cant tell you what to do but the phrasing change would be good. I brought up zylice for the reason you just stated, if it works for someone it dont mean it will work for everyone, also to prove a point that playing maps waaaay out of your comfort zone can still lead to improvement, and lastly there is no correct way to play osu as you have said. but overall the editing was good i just think the pacing and the actual images you showed for laughs could have been better but its still a good video the title and some of the phrasing could have been better. Also the osu improvement content is very goofy thing to do like smiply not worth it cuz most of the things have already been said and overthinking is a big problem is osu, again i am not telling you what to do just stating my opinion for no reason. thats all have a nice day and tnx for reading.
Anything I say is open to discussion/interpretation, and I can be wrong about things like anyone else. I just wanted to bring up something I've noticed since I started playing almost 9 years ago.
As someone with 2000 hours of playtime, I agree 100%. It's not how much you practice, it's how you practice.
jesus christ
Same goes for any sport, any profession, basically anything worth doing that is hard. Sucks to face the truth sometimes.
I feel like I am watching an ad, a comedic masterpiece and an educational video all at once.
hands down the best piece of content you've made, hope this gets the recognition it deserves.
Thank you!!
Everyone should watch this video, super well said. Quality is way more important than quantity and "play more" by itself is a shit take, no wonder there are so many 4-5 digit players with as much playtime as top players (myself included). I've also been a victim of the "more raw playtime = more skill" mindset when I was just cluelessly wishing for improvement, ofc it doesn't work and only leads to burnout, so your video spreading this awareness further pretty much made my day.
I really do feel that it's a discussion a lot of us need to hear- it's really easy to feel casted out when people tell you to play more each time you reach out for advice.
I have 1300 hours of playtime, and I can relate. The times I was actually improving and gaining ranks were times where I was actually focusing on the gaming, putting extra effort into consistency, accuracy, playing different skillsets to help my reading get better, setting myself actual goals, and playing just the right amount, not too much. I wasn't spending my whole day, I usually started by warmup for around 30 minutes, then have fun and play different skillsets to practice for another 30 minutes or so, and then go full farm for like an hour. Once I decided I "farmed enough for today", I would leave, and do the same the next day, and so on. But that's not actually THAT easy. It requires some good mindset, you need motivation, good health, feel good in your body, in your mind, on your setup, and you need TIME (at least for me, can't tell for everyone).
These days I'm not into the game enough to do that, and sadly don't have the time anymore. I understood the general process of getting better at osu long ago, but I've very rarely actually put it into action, which is why I barely have just under 8000pp with over 1300 hours of playtime. I just play for "fun", mindlessly. Yes I'm having fun, but not improving. Just "enjoy the game" and "play more" aren't enough to improve.
Its incredible just how easy it is to play osu and not improve at all, i have these long stretches of time that last like 6 months where i am still actively playing the game (about 1000 plays per month) and yet i just dont improve at ALL, this is a game where you really need to focus and put active effort to improve
@@williamsmithson8962 yes i agree 100%
I often noticed how in certain mania patterns I just spam my keys and hope for the best. I absolutely know that I should replay the parts I can't play instead and learn the actual technique since it's getting too difficult to learn subconsciously. Grinding pp in general is also bad unless you're already a top player and improving your technique and pushing your limits seems like the best way to go.
I've finally been derusting and went from 16k to 13k in the past month because I realize how important it is to get perfect practice and coming to this epiphany before the video has really helped me out, so it's definitely really good advice, you can't just bruteforce skill you have to find the right maps for you and experiment. I strongly recommend osu collector to find tons of beatmaps in a certain type (for example, jumps, or speed) and finding a BPM you're super comfortable with. Never *hyperfocus*, try to train a bit of everything, but I split my collections into NM and DT and speed, general, and aim, and I used to play hyperspeed maps bc I was good at high BPM bursts but practicing a BPM you're more consistent with (my case being 250) can yield so many benefits too even for higher speeds just getting that consistency. Playing stuff that's FCable and then stuff that's definitely not FCable is also helpful, I just have been really finding success with being varied and adding songs I like hearing. Like honestly I think a big thing that can get overlooked in this is that there are great songs too that can help you train and just having songs you really like and being able to sort them into skillsets really helps. Playing more obviously helps too but like it's definitely about the quality.
You put it into words really well!
I’m gonna have to look into osu! collector- that does sound really useful.
@@Jaymusta For sure that 250bpm collection is immaculate ime and there's a bunch of other ones out there. It creates the collections for you which saves *a lot of time* and you can make new ones that derive off of the osu!collector ones for your own personal use. Really makes the process of finding maps you like or are just going for in that moment faster. Sightreading is always good of course but it's good to have familiar maps too sometimes
10 seconds in and I get the feeling this guy is grinding just dance for 10 hours a day
Another tip i found is on good days play more and on bad days play less
Try to recall the feeling u have on the good days and over time you will see that u can do some maps u previously cannot
Its a slow improvement plan so be patient and have fun
That is a great tip! Patience is such a HUGE part of it all- it is so easy to become impatient and get lost in frustration
This video is super well made; I'm looking forward to what you have planned for the community. Something I struggle with is with having a clear intention each time I play. Playing fewer maps with less than 10 misses initially which test a variety of skills and aiming to improve my best score from yesterday until I eventually FC over days/weeks might be a good idea, I've tried this before but haven't stuck with it consistently, cycling through a few sets maps over days could be more sustainable. One thing with osu! improvement advice which I notice is that not many people actually give practical suggestions on how to implement whatever idea they are talking about, but it's in the actual implementation where I tend to go wrong, and I imagine that many others would. It's like you mentioned about being in the dark with osu!, the community will never come to a consensus on what the "best practices" are when it comes to getting better at the game unless we are willing to iteratively test and share practices in the first place.
One thing I’d want to mention is that locking yourself into a few sets of maps to cycle through each time you play can backfire (from personal experience). It legitimately felt like it was helping, but it became rather limiting after a certain point. I mainly realized this when I made a connection that players like Vaxei just play whatever they feel like playing (within reason ofc). They go from playing one type of map, to playing another with whatever mod they feel like playing. Instead of dividing it into the no mod section, dt section, hr section, they just play what they feel like playing. Making how I approach osu! less structured like that ended up helping me way more in terms of things like consistency than I expected. Playing one type of map can help with playing another type of map. Getting used to switching between hr and no mod often can help with learning dt.
Of course there is more to it for each person, which what they specifically need to improve on relatively speaking. But it’s also something to keep in mind. Repetition helps, but changing it up can also help when appropriate.
I'll keep it in mind for when I get back to playing standard actively, will experiment with what works best. Generally speaking, I can't handle the level of uncertainty which only going by feeling to decide what maps to play gives me - it's like I need a clear distinction between what I'm doing when I am practicing vs just playing for fun, otherwise I just go on autopilot.
Osu is not studied to death like chess or instrument playing, so it's not easy to steadily improve. It's up to a player to choose their own way of practice
When i play Mania
The only thing i care is just "If i can pass 2★ without NF, i can pass 2.4★ without NF after some time. If i can pass 2.4★ without NF, i can pass 2.7★ without NF after some time"
Sometimes keeping it simple like this is all players need, but it is easy to overcomplicate it all for sure
@@Jaymusta I think the overcomplicated part is true…
I played 2.5★ then 2.3★ then 2.7★ (this is just an illustration)
''just play more''
[ master ]: 13 yo with only 650 hours playtime and already set unrank 1.2kpp
That's how it be sometimes😔
I think many people misunderstood about "playing more" it's actually true that if you play more you'll improve if it doesn't work just play more and ofc you have to play smart + mindset is also important if you have a negative mindset ofc it'll keep holding you off easily, you should also play the star rating and BPM whichever your comfortable and with don't just play something that you can't do yet.
Subscribed, I just found this channel and I'm sold.
New player with less than a year under my belt. Some of my biggest improvements have been immediately after taking a weeklong break
someone finds out what internalization and muscle memory is:
5 min video about getting better at circle clicking
Yo amazing video keep it going!
Thank you!
"insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results" -insert someone great here i forgot who said this
but interestingly i still think "play more" is actually a good advice and people just took the wrong course of actions
when i started playing rhythm game, i play because my friends were playing it, i was so bad but i loved the music selections there so i stick around. Of course i want to get a better score on songs i like so i experiment, use different fingers, change a bunch of settings, etc... But the one thing that affect my score the most is how i read the chart, i use all sort of ways to time a note, split pattern in random and weird way and eventually cultivate a playstyle that is basically alien to people who only follow the "general advice"
i always think of "practice make perfect" not as "perfect practice make perfect" but "experiment make perfect", if you just try out every thing you can possibly do and do the most perfect one of course it will be perfect, not to mention while experimenting you also get the benefit of "play more" which is the motor skill which unlock more experiments
an instrument is very intricate and complicated with many factors it depend on
but osu! or rhythm game in general is extremely simple and all it really depend on is you (if your specs can't run osu! properly i don't know how to help you)
Great and high quality content! I’m excited to see how far you’ll go.
Thank you!!
Subbed! I hope you keep this up great video!
Thank you!
This is a pretty cool video. Its a shame that its not getting as much exposure as other osu! content creators but some of the things mentioned in the video are very true and informative.
"play more" advice means you have a journey and make mistakes figuring out how to fix them.
"play more" is as effective advice as "practice more"
if your practice is garbage you won't improve
i can agree with taking rest when you need it, i had from 3 to 4 months break free of osu then come back because an impulse then popping off like crazy
Good video too, hope to see more in the future and have a good day everybody
i wanted so much to explain that to people and omg thats exactly the thing. your video was really good and i hope more people see that cuz theres a misunderstanding in the "play more" thing and you explained perfectly.
its not how much you play more, its how you play more.
It's worth pointing out you can devise a "perfect practice" method of playing but end up going no where because you left out how to have fun doing so and probably get blinded by the need to improve or gain rank. Osu is a silly circle clicking game after all. Nice vid tho :p
You're right, it can be easy to get tunnel vision'd into a grind and not go anywhere from not having fun with it. And thanks! :p
That's why balance is needed, for example a free drawing course in the internet says that 50% of the time of drwing should be spent just per pure fun and the rest being practice, of course having this perfect ratio is basically impossible but the worst case scenario would definitely be going to heavy on the practice side because you would burn out in no time even if you're improving more or even worse because of the lack of enjoyment you not even improving.
Play more ≠ Play non-stop
I did the non-stop route. Then got angy
@@SanzuRiver I've taken the same route, and I've realized maybe "Play more" means Playing more over time rather than playing more by retrying.
The advice play more needs to be more specific to people...
It is really easy to take it at face value and overdo it across a short period of time (how most people get injured playing this game)
@@Jaymusta end goal, be able to death stream 160. Currently can't even alt 130... where to start
Unfortunately compared to most games a lot of top players got away by just 'playing more', so basically people begun to see that as some sort of truth and almost nobody begin to really bother trying to find good methods for improvement, osu! might be one of the communities with the worst content in regards to improvement.
Mh, perhaps so, I would like to do a video about this, too! Taking this one as a starting point, and giving out like tons of small practical tips :O
amazing video bro
Thank you man!
I'm a rhythm game nerd, in that I play a bunch of them.
I started with D4DJ a few years ago. I have literally no clue how I went from playing on Normal to playing on Hard. I think I took a break from it for some time and when I returned I just felt compelled to play higher difficulty? I don't know. But I think there's genuinely something in that: a break (like weeks or even months) from rhythm games could act as a bit of a refresh, dialing up your focus or something when you do return I guess?
And I can't even say how I improved in other rhythm games, as in I have absolutely no idea how I improved. For example, maimai. I would play level 5s and 6s, occasionally some 7s, now I mostly play in the range 8 - 10. Like, I didn't necessarily intend to improve, I just did. Now, as of this year, it's a different story though, as I've become determined to improve my rhythm game skills as much as possible. Reason being, I've made other rhythm gaming friends locally (via the local arcade, which has several rhythm games, multiple of which I play) who has pushed me to climb towards even greater heights. It has made me into one of the best rhythm gamers overall in my area, which I'm pretty proud about
Breaks are super underrated for improvement- if done right, you really do come back to the game with a fresh perspective on how to approach it again.
holy crap man you are actually right
Good advice for any kind of training really, from Osu to aim trainers to sports
tbh playing more is terrible advice but i usually see it targeted at terrible questions like "how do i improve???!!" If you ask specfic questions people will tend to give better answers ime
another thing is that the osu community is relatively young compared to other rhythm games like vsrgs so a lot of the community culture is young in that way too. i've only heard of your channel but you seem to bring some of that much needed maturity and i'm excited to see what you have in store :D
I am the #1 osu player as a result of having never played it, never installed it even 😎
I can't believe someone finally figured it out 😱😱
@@Jaymustaa result of procrastination
damn, that video goes hard! You earned new subscriber for now
Thank you!
I'm a mania player and recently i started to improve at my skill by simply playing maps that we're at my limit (3 stars) and also the ones who have the pattern i am better at (Jumpstreams), and that actually helped, i'm starting to feel better in the game and now i can beat 4* maps with ease and with a decent accuracy, proving that like you said, Quality > Quantity.
the editing tingles mi brain and i like it a lot
Thank you :D
got my first 7* fc at ~180 hours of play time can prove this works
this was a really well made video and i agree with the message. recently i switched to mouse in standard because its more comfortable for me and it caused a huge drop in my skill for specifically aim, so ive just been playing lower bpm (~150 - 180 i like alt maps) more consistency based maps to try and slowly get better at aim and finger control and its actually been working so far. im so much more consistent on mouse now even though im still lacking in fast/far jumps
also a bit of my own advice for anyone reading this: tapping to the rhythm of the song is so much more important than you may think, imagining how a metronome of the section will sound and replicating that with your keytaps will help your accuracy so much. its a lot harder to imagine 1/4 snap for things such as streams but it can still help a lot to imagine a 1/4 metronome for bursts and such
Rhythm sense as a skill that can also be developed is underrated for sure. Creating an image in your head while playing is also really helpful!
Another thing that could be helping your consistency on mouse could be how playing with mouse forces you to read osu! in a different way. A friend of mine, and myself, have noticed that our reading gets better when returning to tablet after playing mouse for a while.
i just play to hit the funny patterns that make my brain go brrrr
Play more is bullshit, play more WITH A GOAL IN MIND is the secret sauce
I legit went from rank 120k to rank 55k in 2 months because i set myself a goal of being 5 digit, then when i saw how DOABLE getting 5 digit was i changed my goal to getting 100 Two Hundred pp plays and when i got it i just stopped playing for a whole ass month cuz i was retry spamming maps 50+ times everyday and it felt grueling (but also rewarding). Now im back and i want Ten 300pp plays, just 5 more to go
you have a great voice and i love the style of content 🗣️🗣️
Thank you!
Insane up and coming osu creator, hope to see you at 10k soon 💪
Thank you! 💪
For me, a week or 4 is the best way to become better, with a break you can take the "felling" and play better
Hey man, just wanted to let you know that I discovered your channel by this video hitting my recommendations & I'm glad it did. This is the finest, most impeccably crafted osu video I've ever witnessed. I love your style, voice & personality. The BGM music were on point. Keep it going. Can I get a link to your music playlist or name of the songs used in the video?
Thank you! That's very nice of you to say :D
As for the music I used- it's a mixture of Streambeats (by Harris Heller) and tracks I found from pixabay.com
As someone who played osu 24/7 once mindless, I can agree to this video
I feel like a lot of us have been at this point at least once with osu!
mighty boob osu spittin facts rn
No matter what you do you will not be satisfied if you only focus on rank as your metric for success
Okay yea this is true, even works for osu!mania 4k, i was practicing for like 3 days and i saw my skill visibly get a little worse so i have the schedule of playing a few hours every 2-3 days and it made me reachbmy first 200pp in osu!mania (246 pp)
Play more is the biggest scam of all time. I have almost 1k hours and am low 5 digit while I regularly see players with half my playtime be way better than me.
It really is incomplete and does come off as a way to spend less energy giving advice when used
Stop comparing in the first place
There is always an asian better than you
Focus on a skillset and see the improvement
@@osurelatedvigilante Social comparison in osu! is like a knife that cuts deeper each time you engage with it- but it can also be difficult to keep the comparisons to yesterday's you, while still looking for tips and strategies from other players for what you want to achieve in the game.
@@Jaymusta #1 dont keep comparisons with your yesterdays self, why the fuck would you want to do that
instead set an achievable goal that you want to reach
Play **while thinking**, what can help me get better. Nomod maps? High ar? Speed? New grip?
Play more
See results
@@osurelatedvigilante Limiting comparisons to the last time you played a map can give valuable input on how you have improved.
It can be a source of feedback on your personal progress in achieving a goal.
Completely ruling that out can lead to a lack of self awareness in whether you are actually getting closer to goals you have set for yourself.
Not saying that it cannot backfire, but there is a balance to it.
Play more is still the only good advice about osu.
But there is more! Keep in mind - what you learn is what you play. For example if you only play nomod, then you only learn nomod.
For example if you spent 50k plays on nomod or dt and decided to play EZ - you know the results.
Playing with intention to get better is so powerful method, unfortunately i realized this too late :
It's never too late my dude!
Overall to find improvement you need to keep a level head and understand areas in which you are lacking. Sadly, if all you do is "play for fun" that does not infact get you the kind of improvement a pro player does. Analyzing replays, identifying areas of improvement, grinding out maps that target those skills, and then going for the big pp play is how you improve. When I jumped from 90k to 30k I was doing exactly what this video was saying, I was highly motivated to improve and making very efficient use of time to do it and within about 150 hours I had improved more than I ever had in my time playing osu.
Of course mixing in some of your favorite maps to enjoy is harmless while training, but expect to to be sinking in at least 2 hours everyday, between warm-up, training, playing for fun, and then pp farming. And I mean everyday seriously, taking too long of a break will not only setback your muscle memory but also throw away the stamina you've been building by playing everyday.
Pretty much agree there, except with the everyday part. You'd be surprised how much someone can get used to playing every other day. (I actually had to do this coming from a previous bout of rsi a few years ago)
And the interesting thing was, I started playing better after doing that for at least 1 month. My understanding has come down to:
1. Those 1 day "breaks" allows your hands to rest (you are using muscles, let the muscles recover and come back stronger for the next session like a workout). You will get stronger faster if you have rest days for each muscle group you work out. Same with osu!
2. Ever notice how much better you play if you sleep really well the night before? Even if you haven't, separating/spacing yourself out from a routine can actually help your brain sort out what you worked on improving. This happens in the background subconsciously. I've come to call it "simmering"- like letting food simmer in a pot while cooking. The longer you leave the ingredients alone, the stronger the flavor.
My experience has reflected these two points when I jumped from 40k to 10k in one month. But this is only my experience. And ofc like I said in my video, there is a balance. Just like how playing too often can lead to weakened/injured hands, playing too sparsely will make any progress minimal at best. And each person will have their own personal sweet spot with all that.
If you are used to playing every day, then trying to play every other day will throw you off. Same goes for any other routine behaviors unless you stick to the change enough to adjust.
Great comment btw!
Edit: Also wanted to add-
After a certain point, muscle memory will stick. (I was able to beat previous scores 1st try after a 2 year hiatus) It can take some time to derust and wake back up from a break, but you don't lose muscle memory. What you *do* lose is muscle strength and endurance. That would have to be built back up to match muscle memory if the break taken was long enough to warrant that.
For me I play a lot because I genuinely find it really fun
There’s nothing wrong with that!
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it IS about how you practice but you have to practice a lot still. so yes play more but play at the edge of your abilities more.
As someone who also plays violin, a lot of the practice technique I learnt through playing violin translate directly into how I play osu. I believe I have a very good mental when it comes to practice and that's why I've come so far. I'm capable of playing the same map for 2 hours straight and improve at it in that time. A trap a lot of people fall into when it comes to improving through practice is playing the parts of the map you can play just fine constantly. If you keep playing the part you can hit 80% of the time and ignoring the part you hit 5% of the time it's a lot more likely you're gonna mindblock on the easier part. You need to practice the hard stuff or you won't improve. You can play a million 4 star maps and be incapable of playing 6-7 star maps
had a huge skill push time period for like 3months to get from like 60k to 16k and im feeling kinda idk just not like i used to, not as fun or something, so this video has come at the perfect time honestly but i think for now i will just take a break until i feel like insane improvement arc
does this apply to the mania mode?
Yes! It can even apply to any skill based activity
one of your best videos yet man ✌✌ i have a feeling your content will reach the community sooner than you think at this rate
Thanks man, we pushin harder each video we make 💪💪
I think for some people playing more just works. But you have to be consistent with it. Having 1000 hours on the game over like 5 years is different than like my friend who got like 5k+ playcount for months straight and like 800 hours in a single year of playing which made him get to 4 digit in under 2 years. You aren't going to improve if you don't play more obviously but you just have to be consistent with your practice and actually play maps that are the right difficulty to create growth.
I agree! Consistency is a key when improving a skill!
ive always hated when people say play more i agree its terrible advice and when i explain to people that they just give me a glare like what r u talking abt as somebody who played rocket league semi pro its not about the hours its about how you spend those hours good video man u got a sub from me
Legit some people can get so good so fast and just play the game on weekends. It isn't so black and white as people make it out to be with playing more
watched this vid then I got a new top play ty
Hell yeah 😎
i started playing in feb 2021, i am now at 3.9k, i improved incredibly quickly in my first year, then the second year the improvement slowed down, and now in my third year i have noticed very little to no improvement from last year, sometimes i can't even beat scores from more than a year ago, my aim has not improved at all, yet i went from my first 300pp play to my first 500pp play in a year and a half, and i realized the only thing that was improving was my consistency and acc, but aim quite literally died, maybe it's my horrible grip, maybe it's a skill wall, or maybe my aim just wont get any better than this. but idk
Have you considered taking a break from the game? (~1 month)
I had a similar issue with tapping speed for streams/bursts, and I was able to overcome my temporary skill block after taking a 1 month break
Sometimes coming back to the game from a break is what’s needed to overcome a hurdle like this
@@Jaymusta I did already two times and nothing really changed
I see, something else I can suggest is maybe checking/adjusting your posture. That was another thing that really helped with my tapping issues.
I’ve noticed that when my aim hand’s posture is off, I tend to aim worse
When you say your aim died, what do you mean specifically? Jump/flow aim? Speed? Precision?
finally someone who agrees with me on this issue 🙂 good video
Thank you!
Not really, correct answer is play more is an option to get good, but just not for everyone.
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This take is just bad. The vast majority of players, including most top players, don't have any structure to their practice so the idea that structure is required to improve at higher levels is simply false. Some people can literally do exactly what you did and play maps way out of their skill range... only to improve and become 3 digits within a year or two of playing. Others can build the most optimal training regiment they can fathom and stay hardstuck for another year.
Play more is what 99% of top players do. It would not follow that something other than play more is required to become a top player. In regards to that 1%, those are players like -gn or tournament players where their training has to be more specialized since their goals aren't simply to improve.
It’s true in the oversimplified sense. You can’t set a new score without playing the game at all. You have to play at least one more time to set at least one new score.
It’s still super easy for people to play more by retry spamming 20 second farm maps to no avail. And that’s where the advice does more harm than good. They play more of what doesn’t help them (depending on their subjective goals ofc).
There’s still a balance to it. What works for some top players, may not work for everyone else. It can help anyone, but not everyone.
Another way to say it is: what helps one person, may very well end up hurting another person. Advice is relative, and very difficult to make completely universal without drawbacks.
There’s also how some people are more receptive to picking up specific things within osu! relative to skillsets they had honed from other things in life. And that can play a part in players shooting up in rank without following specific things other players have to work through (Like that Overwatch esports player that almost fc’d Quaver top diff, etc.). But that’s another conversation.
@@Jaymusta This really doesn't directly address my point. Let's expand on your musical instrument analogy to illustrate why.
Now when it comes to musicians the vast majority of all the best ones still need to do specific formal practice involving the learning of chords, scales, timing etc. Practically none of the best musicians were able to just sit down with their instrument and randomly attempt to play songs and find success. A very small amount of prodigies do, but it's not remotely close to the majority.
Now let's look at osu. The vast majority of top players do not go through any specific formal practice of any kind. They simply attempt random songs and happened to become top players. It's only a small subset of top players that do any form of rigorous training in the forms of stream practice, flashlight, etc.
Pretty much the only contradictions to this are absurd and obviously unintended. Things such as not playing Centipede or maps clearly out of your skill range, or not playing only a single map 10,000 times.
These should be inherent to anyone that has learned anything ever. Of course doing something impossibly hard or repeating only a single form of practice won't yield results. This is true across every medium whether it be other video games, weightlifting, mathematics, cooking, quite literally any skill on the planet.
If you don't exclude these things when hearing "play more" that isn't the fault of the advice giver, that's the receiver being completely devoid of any intelligent thought.
I agree with what you are saying- except for placing blame on the receiver of advice. When it comes to learning something new, being naïve and making mistakes are part of the process. It shouldn't be something to put someone down for unless they are knowingly being destructive with it. (Like when players acknowledge that retry spamming is like gambling, etc.)
When it comes to introducing new players to the game, the lack of structure is what leads a lot of them getting lost. As more time passes, people understand things more. And when people understand things more, an effort is eventually made to close the gap between the people who understand and the people who don't. This applies to anything (tutorials for almost anything exist).
It may not be something within direct control, but the processes to mitigate accidental ignorance can be iterated on. Basically, it's more of a team/community effort type thing that can take time to shift the overall perspective on it all.
Yeah no fucking shit you won't get better by just "playing more" if your average osu! session is retry spamming the first 20 seconds of a Sotarks' map.
Think a little guys.
rank 120k with 1k hours, do i have bad genetics
I've known someone who got decently good at osu!, and they were born with just a thumb and pinky on their tapping hand.
If they could get to around your rank, I wouldn't say that bad genetics are the reason why you have that rank:hour ratio.
If you are willing to challenge the way you approach the game to try and get better, you should not let your playtime and rank affect how you feel. Especially when compared to other people's stats.
If you want to improve, don't play more. Just play smart to enhance your abilities.
Work smarter, not harder!
True, but i will keep playing 8 stars and getting C ranks because thats how i enjoy game
great vid btw
gostei conteudo interessante, eu ja havia pensando em misturar essa ideia de aprendizado do violino e osu. mas oque importa no fim é se divertir e fazer aquilo que lhe faz bem oi
THIS IS THE QUALITY CONTENT OSU! NEEDS RIGHT NOW
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play smart, not smart
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I disagree. This game is about honing mechanical skills. There's little advice you could give for this other than "play more/spent more time with this game". Deliberate practice can be helpful at times yes, but it's not for everyone. There're a billion ways to gitgud at this game, I think "play more" just forced ppl to find their own way.
Valid take. It is impossible to get better at the game if you don't play at all. A lot of the improvement from playing more can be attributed to the way players have to figure it out on their own through playing more.
But I still see the other side in how each player is different, and that they could take the advice too far and play maps that won't allow them to get better at the game too much. And when that turns into a negative feedback loop of playing more and feeling worse from lack of tangible improvement, then the player may be forced to find a different way like you said.
obnoxious editing for my taste
no, play more
Sounds like a skill issue. Just play pay on an arcade joy stick - instant 1.5k pp recorded
Tbh we just gotta use our brains to play. Telepathic 1.7k pp plays are the future
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the title is mostly click bait so minus points for that, you mention how playing more was bad for you(i kinda didnt focus on why it was bad for you, got to0 bored), but there are top players who literally say they played more and it worked for them(yes they probably foucsed instead of mindless playing, but i think its common knowledge everyone should do that)
zylice for example says he played freedom dive when he could even play streams, he retry spammed until he learned it, so playing maps way out of your comfort zone can also work, so there is no correct way to play osu, your journey is your own.
many other osu improvement videos also say the exact same thing in terms of play more(using focus and actively trying to correct your mistakes), players like white cat have tweeted about this topic, so yeah your advice is nothing new(you did not say it was new but i just wanted to mention).
There is only one way to play osu, and that is to enjoy game, thats all tnx for reading.
edit- after some thought is realize your video does more harm than good, newer players who started just palying can greatly benifit form playing more, you explain that in your video but what if someone misses that line or just sees the title of the video, so I really think you should not use such missleading titles.
A more concise summary of my video would be that it is super easy for players to take the advice to play more, and take it too far. I've personally had many friends quit the game solely due to this happening. They play too much and either burn out, or even injure themselves. They take "play more" too literally, and overdo it.
The video aimed to spark conversation about how it isn't so black and white as people make it seem, and that there is a sort of balance to it. No two people experience osu! in the same way after all.
-That was my intended message, and I understand that people may not get that from this video. Anything I said is open to interpretation/discussion after all.
There is also how what helps one person, may hurt another. The example with Zylice worked out for him, but it may not be a universal strategy that everyone can follow. If someone who just started playing yesterday attempted what Zylice did with that map, they obviously wouldn't get anywhere. Anyone could benefit from it, but not everyone.
Thank you for the comment though, I can tell you put a lot of thought into it.
@@Jaymusta yeah everything you said in short is very true and a lot of people agree on that.
I was just a bit concerned with the phrasing of the video, "dont play more" is the energy of this video, it should be more along the lines of you should play more but actully foucs on the game, actively try to correct your mistakes, enjoy what you are doing, make sure your hands are comfortable, dont hurt yourself.
this is what the other osu improvement channels do, its your channel so i cant tell you what to do but the phrasing change would be good.
I brought up zylice for the reason you just stated, if it works for someone it dont mean it will work for everyone, also to prove a point that playing maps waaaay out of your comfort zone can still lead to improvement, and lastly there is no correct way to play osu as you have said.
but overall the editing was good i just think the pacing and the actual images you showed for laughs could have been better but its still a good video the title and some of the phrasing could have been better.
Also the osu improvement content is very goofy thing to do like smiply not worth it cuz most of the things have already been said and overthinking is a big problem is osu, again i am not telling you what to do just stating my opinion for no reason.
thats all have a nice day and tnx for reading.
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idk if i wanna listen to advice from a 5 digit..
Anything I say is open to discussion/interpretation, and I can be wrong about things like anyone else. I just wanted to bring up something I've noticed since I started playing almost 9 years ago.
Wtf is this editing