EQ on amp vs pedals-what’s the difference?
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- A common query we get revolves around these questions:
-Why do I need eq on a pedal if my amp has an eq?
-How do I set my amp EQ if there EQ on my pedal?
-How do I set my pedal EQ if there is EQ on my amp?
-Too much EQ is confusing to me
Let's dive in and talk about it a bit, show the differences, and discuss why they are different and why having both can be more optimal (and more fun!)
Question for you:
What amp do you use (or amps) and how do you set your EQ?
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Question for you: What amp do you use (or amps) and how do you set your EQ?
Fender BDRI and/or VoxAC15. First step is to adjust the amp eq(s) to get the best clean sound, then I'll dial in the gain pedals on top of that.
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III. Clean channel only. Live settings are volume on 2.5 to 3, bass on 0, mid 6.5 to 8, treble 6.5 to 10. (Controls go to 12.) Bright switch and presence off. Using the Plexi-drive Deluxe with bass at 10:30, middle at 1:00, treble at 3:00 with the bass and treble switches off. Post-gain 2:30 to 3:00, and pre-gain at 2:30. Using a Gibson Les Paul Traditional. The sound guys and gals I have used usually compliment me on my tone being thick, and each note comes through clean, even when using the boost on the pedal for solos. The left side of the pedal never gets turned off. I just use the guitars volume control, which is set anywhere between 1.5 and 8, with 5.5 being the default setting used 90% of the time. Been gigging for 43 years and this is the best setup I've ever used.
it's always best everything at 1 o'clock. lets face it.
Marshall dsl15c and low bass high mids I like the nirvana sound lol
Marshall silver jubilee, presence 3, bass 6, mid 7, treble 7
Good God. This video (and the previous TSC video) have been super revelatory. I knew some of this instinctually but being able to see it on a graph just makes that much clearer. I play guitar in a band where I use a Fender Blues Deluxe, the other guitarist uses a Vox AC30, and the bassist uses a Deluxe Big Muff going through an Ampeg. Dialing in our respective EQs to mix/blend tastefully with each other has been an ongoing battle -- and I think this will be a big help in solving that. Thank you Brian.
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love when you explain fun nerdy stuff on your videos! right now i just have my humble katana, i usually go bass almost all the way up and adjust mids and treble depending on guitar, pickup, my current mood etc
Hi Brian, I use a Mesa/Boogie MarkIV into a Marshall 4x12 loaded with EV 12S & Black Shadow MC90 speakers, 8ohms. Mostly use the Lead Channel for heavy rhythms - Lead Gain 9, Lead Fat Pulled, Lead Treble 10, Lead Bass 0, Lead Mid 6, Lead Drive 7, Lead Presence 9 (& Pull Shift pulled). 5-band EQ on a rough "V" to scoop the 750Hz. Runs alongside a Marshall JCM 800 into a 2x12 loaded with WGS ET-65 speakers, 16 ohms. All controls at 12 o'clock, and a THD Hotplate to attenuate. Guitar into the High input. I used to run an overdrive in front of the JCM 800 but am not at the moment.
Great video Brian. Thanks.
Hiwatt SA210 Custom 20.
Volume 1:00
Bass 1:00 - 3:00
Mid 11:00 - 1:00
Treble 9:00 - 12:00
Master to taste but typically 9:00 - 10:00
Blackstar Artisan 10ae
Clean channel
Volume on full
Tone 2:00
Master 12:00
Vox AC30SS
Tremolo channel
Volume 10:00
Cut 10:00
No Master Volume!
I'm using an Orange Rockerverb mach 1... in the loop from send to Eq to verb to delay to return. The chain I'm running in the front of the amp is in this order from guitar is, Ricochet, Bad horse wah, Naga Viper treble boost, Sparkle drive to front of amp. My amp is set pretty high on the gain level. As soon as I started using an Eq it was like lifting a blanket off the amp. It really opened up the sound with nice tight bass response. I'm very happy with my set up...so far. You vids are great !!
Great video. Currently using an Orange TH30 as my main amp. It has a shape knob on the dirt channel and bass/treble on thr clean. For the dirt side, I typically run the shape around 9 o'clock. This cuts bass and treble while boosting midrange. On the clean I keep my treble slightly above noon and roll the bass back a bit.
I use a boost with a 3-band EQ up front to sculpt my preamp sound a bit more (typically cutting bass and boosting mids around 800hz and treble around 5K).
Amp: Ibanez TSA15H + It's cabinet
Guitar: Ibanez Artcore FS75TD (with minor changes I will like you to explain me why is that for..... I've made a split coil with the pickups and also a phase invert on the neck pickup, but I've notice that I prefer to reverse the pickups on the guitar [screws on the oposite side] because on split coil it sounded more fenderish...... why is that for? And Thnx for your channel, I'm learning a lot)
Hi Brian, I'm mostly using a Marshall JTM45 Reissue with a 2x12 Marshall G12M speaker cab. It's a fairly Bass rich amp especially with the channels jumpered, so I run my EQ as follows:
Presence 3
Bass 2
Middle 6
Treble 3
My comment regarding EQ is really to point out that our hearing range changes with age. Younger people say under 25, have a wider EQ frequency hearing spectrum than someone over 55, especially in the higher EQ frequencies. This presumably makes a difference to the preferences we find appealing and unappealing in pedals and amps.
I'm only using a Mesa Boogie .50 Caliber+ I modified myself according to my needs (among others, I added two potentiometer EQ controls: one for 520 Hz and the other one for 1000 Hz). My EQ for rhythm parts is set like a small reversed V shape and no EQ for solos (I love the mids). My rhythm EQ is set that way: when I switch it off, the volume gets louder for solos.
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While the idea of comparing how an amp EQ vs pedals EQ work is great and I believe you did show some nice examples, I guess there's a lot more to it. Basically those two EQ's are completely different as far as placement in the sound chain goes, and the results will be different as well. It apples vs oranges really:
1) amp EQ usually goes right after the preamp and before the power amp section
2) pedal EQ is set at the pedal output (after the signal got distorted) then it goes into the preamp section of an amplifier.
Effectively, it is about 1) changing the sound after the preamp vs) 2) feeding the changed sound into the preamp. IMHO, you should've mentioned it.
A better comparison would involve placing _the_same_ EQ (yours EQuator - Advanced Audio Equalizer or say Boss GE-7 or an MXR) in the loop of the amp (after the preamp) and in front of the amp. You could even keep the overdrive in at all times. A para-EQ instead of a graphic EQ would increase the number of options, too.
This would show a bit better how the EQ alone can shape the sound.
Anyways, keep up the good work. Looking forward to more vids from you.
Guitar: Orange Micro Dark, I set the volume generally around 9 o'clock, shape around 10-11 o'clock and then gain goes between 12 and 2 o'clock without pedals or with my Big Muff gain on the amp goes at 11-ish o'clock.
Bass: Orange Crush 100, volume varies as does gain but treble is generally around 4 o'clock, mids either way up around 4 o'clock or about 11 o'clock depending on whether I'm playing alone or with other guitarists (and if so, how many), then bass between 2 o'clock and 4/5 o'clock depending on whether I want a deeper more metal sound or a higher/mid-ier more melodic sound which mostly depends on my playing.
EDIT: Guess I should mention my muff settings since it's not been disconnected from my Micro Dark since I got it. So, volume is generally around 9 o'clock because I don't want (generally) too much of a volume difference, but then tone is between 11 o'clock and maxed out and I generally max out the sustain knob. (It's an EHX Big Muff Pi).
Love this type of video!!! One issue - once you turned down to protect the preamp, it was very low and hard to hear the differences.
Nice video. I have an Orange Rocker 15 and mostly leave everything around noon with the gain around 12-1 o’clock. If I crank the gain I tend to switch it towards bass at around 9 o’clock, mids around 11 o’clock, treble up towards 1-2 o’clock. There’s no eq on the clean channel. I have an eq pedal but I just got an idea board setup and I think this video is going to motivate me to breadboard some of these tone stack circuits to try with the clean channel.
Laney GH100L
Bass -8
Mids- 7-8
Treble- 3-4
These all of course depend on the cab and the room.
Great video, thank you!
those graphs answered a question I've had for a long time about so-called "interactive" EQ
Hi Brian, my process is simple. I first adjust Treble to the point that it is starting to have an effect, repeat with the mods & then the base. All then are a sweet flat tone. Picked this from Matt Schofield
Brian, this came at a great time, as I work on my first pedal with an eq in it. Thank you for the info and the website. Keep up the great work.
Peavey Rage. Gain set to "I can't hear how bad I am". Tone set to "awful". It makes a suitable tonal bedding for my delusions. 🤪
Anthony Dallarosa -I grew up playing the Rage. Damn fine amp for the day...
Hope you’re not just showing off
Peavy Transtube 112 EFX Low 2 Mid 5.5 High 10, I recently put a Korg AX10 in the loop and set it as tonally transparent on eq mode and it has cut high gain noise by like 90%, changed my life.
I totally dig the technical demos! Keep 'em comin.
Main Amp: Marshall 1987x Middle @ 3:00ish and everything else around noon
Small Amp: Marshall Class 5 1st gen combo Treble noonish to taste, Middle around 2:00, Bass always below 9:00 to sometimes total cut
64 custom blackface deluxe reverb. At home by myself with the volume around 3 or 4. I run the bass at 10 and the treble around 7 or 8. Depending on the guitar. I usually run it with a klon or tubescreamer pedal. In a band context...I run the bass at 3 or 4 and the treble around 6 with the volume around 6 or 7. Seems the higher the volume goes the more bassy it gets.
That's right with Fender amps. The louder you get, the lower you have to set the bass. Most of the time on 0.
Good observation guys. Some people don't realize this phenomenon and tend to despise loud fender type amp circuits at band volume. And some type of drive that shoves off some low end certainly helps as well.
The MesaBoogie Dual Rectifier is a great example of this principal. Cheers :)
Thanks again Brian. The info you consistently share is Gold. After studying each of your videos I feel like I need to start from scratch with my guitar tone. Have a great weekend brother.
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Hey there! I own a Koch Studiotone 40xl head and if I wanna play with my Duesenberg (mahogany body) i set my BASS at 4, MIDDLE at 5-6 and TREBLE at 7
when I play my Charvel san dimas i set the BASS at 5.5, MIDDLE 6, TREBLE 5
Princeton Reverb or Deluxe Reverb or Super Reverb , much of how I set the EQ is dependent on what guitar I'm playing that night . Most time I try to get a good balance of the strings across the guitar and then adjust what pedals I might be using for tone for each effect .
I think EQ can also vary a lot depending on whether you’re jamming alone at home or a playing with a band… for example a bit more bass & a little less mids can give you a fuller sound at home when its just your guitar, but playing with a band it might help your guitar tone sit better in the mix to cut the bass and have a bit more treble & mids. But its all subjective. To my ears the Derek Trucks & Jimmy Herring approach to amp EQ settings works well, but may not work for everybody.
I use a fender fm212r for gigging and recording. I tend to just leave the bass and mid at 5, sometimes I drop the bass to 4 depending on the room), then I have my treble set to about 3 or 4 -I also keep the gain at 3 on the overdrive setting, all to simulate an old “darker” British amp going into light/crispy breakup, then pushing it into overdrive with a rangemaster style booster at the end of my chain. While it could be argued it’s the same drive sound as if I just turned the gain up on the amp, using the booster makes rolling off the guitar volume clean up the sound better, the volume doesn’t drop as much and it doesn’t sound muffled/overly compressed.
Opening myself up for ridicule here, but during COVID, I sold my Mesa Boogie Mark IV, and Mark IIb. Replaced them with some old Solid State Peaveys, a Renown, Renown 400, Special, Special 130. I also bought a couple of their tube amps, an Ultra, and a Heritage VTX. Now, I have to say, I think these Renowns sound freaking AWESOME. Also, I don't need tubes, which are completely unavailable now anyway. These Peaveys are incredible pedal platforms. The Renowns have built in parametric mids, which I find incredibly helpful. In terms of EQ, I have the bass at 2, mids at 4ish, with the parametric slightly to the left, thinning the mid a tad. Also, I LOVE that these amps can combine the overdrive and clean channels. I can get a super fat 2 amp sound. I can total nail SRV, Trower, Angus, Ted, Stones, Neil, Rev. Billy G, etc. I stack ODs and throw an MXR 12 band in the effects loop, and use it for subtle nuances. I fought those Boogies for years. I do not regret selling them and with the tube insanity these days, I am glad I am not affected by the shortage.
Blackstar HT1 - it has minimal EQ so I'm heavily reliant on the EQ on my pedals. By switching between a couple of overdrives set low-gain-high-volume, I can dramatically change the tone I'm getting. I use a Hotone Blues to get a good SRV type type, or a Marshall Jackhammer to get a nice classic Marshal tone (or as close as I can can get to either with a 1W amp into an 8" speaker)
I use a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe mainly, and since I find it has a good presence and is really brilliant I usually leave the treble control at noon, mids between 1 and 2 o'clock and set the bass between 10-11 o'clock and 1 o'clock depending on the ambient response. I leave the presence control generally set aroun 10 o'clock (a bit less actually)
Carvin V3M bass 4 mid 3 treble 5. I have the presence control at 3ish. That’s my bedroom setting with a 1x12 open back cab and v30 speaker. If I’m garage rocking, the eq varies depending on the other instruments and the acoustics of the room.
I run two amps through a ABY switch box, one amp is a Carvin X50B with a 4x12 cab and the other is a Marshall jcm800 4010 combo with a gain stacking a Nu-tube screamer and a Zakk Wylde overdrive and Wylde wah . The two amps are completely different sounds, but complements each other when played together. The Carvin I believe is a 5 band active EQ. Very full spectrum sound setup!
The perfect video at the perfect time I spent a good part of my day youtubing equalization and frequency in relationship to guitar just to educate myself... love it
Hey Brian,
I have two combo's. One being a 1962 Selmer Zodiac tremolo MKII which I recently recaped and played around with different values - thought it lacked low end. Now it's very nice with treble on 5 and bass on 6. I use a boss GE-7 to boost a little 200-400Hz.
My other combo is a Matchless DC-30 "clone" that I just build using the Bugera BC-30 as a platform. Janked out all the Bugera pcb's, transformers etc. Using the Ceriatone DZ-30 layout as template and having original schematics for the DC-30 as well as original power, output and choke transformers. And it sounds beautiful going thru a 70's rola-Celestion 50w and a new Cannabis-Rex from eminence. Gain to taste and trebel on 6-7 bass on 5. The EF86 channel is a different beast. I find myself having the tone set to 2-3 and boosting the preamp with the full-drive 2 using CompCut mode with little to no overdrive but lots of tone to simulate a form of trebleboost.
Anyways, really enjoy your videos. So thanks for that ...
I use a Kemper with the stereo outs running to 2 old NAD amps a 7125 and a 7140
The 7125 pushes a vintage 30 in an open back cab I built.
The 7140 pushes a EV-12L in an open back cab that I built.
I run the bass pretty heavy on both amps and dial back the treble to 10:00. Sounds Amazing.
By the way before the Kemper I was running a Two Rock Studio 50/15 as a pedal platform.
My board at one time had 4 of your pedals on it... Thx !
I play a Crate Palomino V32 class A combo mainly for small venues. I have a 1974 Marshall 100 watt super lead for larger venues. the Palomino has a really nice clean sound and very usable distortion channel.. They only made this amp one year and is a great sounding amp somewhere between a Vox AC and a marshall JTM445. Most people discount this amp as a cheap amp but it rocks. I keep the treble about 4, mids about 6, and bass about 3-4. The boost has a midrange bump and the distortion channel is a little dark at high gain. My marshal is set about 4 on treble 6 on mid and 3 on bass and 4 on presence. I had a master volume mod so I can use the amp; it was so loud it was unusable in any club. I like my sound edgy but not too distorted and loud enough to work the speakers
My Swart Mod 84 has a single knob for tone and It generally stays around the noon position but it also has a tone selector switch for low, middle, and high. It most often stays in the middle position.
Using a Two Rock Sensor, I set the EQ so it's balanced and not harsh when it's set pristine clean. My pedals I change for for what flavour of OD I am using, eg TS has a mid honk so I adjust the tone control to prevent high mids and highs from sounding ice picky or harsh. Distortion EQ is essential to sound balanced with the amp. I always have my Tumnus with the treble control around 1 o'clock, John Mayer in a box!
Live your videos, Brian. I have a Box AC10 that is simply killer. I put the bass knob at 10 o'clock and the treble at noon. I also have a Marshall DSL 40 with bass around 10 o'clock mid almost dimed and treble at 2 o'clock.
Great video! Using a 2525c, bass 7, mids 5, treble 4-5 and presence 6. Using thiss for my clean sound. use a ge7 when using the lead channel. Setting it as a upside down smile, starting and ending at 0, and a bit boost in the volume. Kicking in a ts808 for lead boost, but are waiting on a friedman golden pearl.
1976 Acoustic Control Corp M125 combo, is the amp I'd like to use the most. Unfortunately, it's too loud for everyday use. I set it with the bright switch engaged, bass at 10/11 o'clock, mid at 8/8.5 o'clock, and treble at 1/2 o'clock. I don't know if it's just me or just my amp but I like the tone of them pushing the mids on the five band eq that the amp has. It's hard to get a clean tone out of this amp but the overdriven tone is fantastic.
The amp I play most often is my Fender Blues Jr. Again I'm a little treble heavy setting it around 2 o'clock and the bass/mids around noon.
Yes Really good clear & concise explanation .. cheers ..My old muso pals used to ask me how come no matter what gtr or amp I played I always ended up sounding pretty much the same ? ( not always meant as a compliment ) lol .. But I never understood what I was doing .. But I did get to where I wouldn't let anyone mess with my gear .. One night .. I got on stage to discover someone had put all my tuning pegs in a straight row .. Which is how I came up with my theory that Jimi used to use The Star spangled Banner as a way to tune & check his guitar ( yes of course it was a tribute too .) But That's how I got out of the fix I was in Huge feedback & harmonic tuning until I got it all singing & being Scottish & in front of a crowd of rowdy Bikers I used " Oh Flower of Scotland " at the end .. Lol I love your ability to explain it so even an old low tech muso like me can understand it .
Oh no! Where oh where to place my reply?!? Anyway, Vox AC4-HW mostly. I tend to set the tone controls to zero when I'm finished and try to start afresh when I next use it. They could end up anywhere, depending on mood and guitar, but often though, very low on the treble and semi low on the bass. Or, I hit the "Hot" switch, which removes the tone circuit (kinda).
I mostly play a Randall RM50 head. I usually start with all EQ in the middle. The exact controls EQ depends on the preamp modules I am using. Then depending on what I need I will adjust. If there is a second guitar player or keys I may EQ around them so I can have a frequency that I can hear myself in (and others can hear me). Use amp EQ to get your baseline amp tone to fit in the mix before pedals. Use pedal EQ to taylor that pedals tone to remain in the mix.
I Have to say, I learn alot watching your videos. I play a Jackson/Charvel 1981 strat-styled electric guitar through a 35W Orange Crush twin reverb. It has one effects send and return and a stompbox to activate the 'Dirty' channel. The pots for the treble,midrange, and bass are touchy and difficult to fine tune so I generally leave them all at '5' and sometimes increase treble at 7, mid at 4-6, and bass at 4-5. Watching your video I am assumming that my amp contains those seperate frequency peaks of treble, mid, and bass for the Orange 35W Crush amp. I have two questions for you; 1.) I was wondering what is your advice concerning the Orange amps particular EQ set-up? 2.) I was thinking that it is a good time for me to get an EQ pedal. I have a budget and so I am looking to spend under $100.00 if possible. Is a low priced EQ worth my time and money? ( I was looking at the CNZ GEQ-5EQ pedal. )
I have 2 amps I use together, I have a Shaw Retro-Mod 15 and a Shaw Full-Tilt 30. I keep my tones just below 12'oclock and the low cut on the 30 at 4'oclock.
My longest running primary amplifier has been the 65watt Egnater Renegade.
I use basically most of the full EQ range depending on what I need tone wise.
I.E.
If I want tighter low end I'll dial the bass back
If I need more pick attack/front end drive I will turn the midrange up.
Finally the treble to control the overall presence in my tone.
Cheers :)
Fender Blues JR (first generation, with a Jenson Jet Falcon)
Bass : 6
Mids : 10,5
Treb : 4
cherrs - great video!
I have a 100w superbass replica (no MV) and generally set the eq with the gain low and guitar knobs way down. Staying close to barely audible keeps a clear line between audible/inaudible thresholds, and your ears don’t attenuate during the process. Generally, raising the volume to normal levels just means taking some bass and maybe presence out. YMMV
Also if you want the best JCM or plexi pedal check out PAL (800 or 959). Dude’s in South America (Brazil I think) and sells on Reverb. Johan Segeborn has demo’d the PAL 800. I’m just as stoked on the plexi version. Fantastic pedal is fantastic.
Dual amp rig:
Amp 1: Boss Katana 100 1x12. Pre-amp volume: dimed, gain depends on the song, gain mode: depends on the song, Bass: 1 o'clock, Mids: 1 o'clock, Treble: noon. Presence around 3 o'clock, master volume to taste
Amp 2: Fender Twin Reverb 100W blackface reissue, Reverb channel, Bass: 6, Mid: 8, Treble: 4, volume set to match Katana's volume levels
Using this, I've had to use a loop system to deal with the appropriate drives, etc. since the twin is only hairy when it gets over 6.5 or so
Mainly play a Ampeg GVT5-110 (5 watt 1x10 combo, half power option, volume, Bass, and treble - Baxandal EQ - my first experience with this type of EQ). I also own a Fender Super Sonic Twin w/ Vintage 30’s. It was my first tube amp and Fender amp so I loved getting a “Twin Reverb” clean channel or “Bassman” voicing, plus a decent gain channel. Totally overkill but I got a good deal and wasn’t smart enough to by the right size amp at that point (20 watts would have been plenty).
For solo messing around at home (not wanting to wake the neighbors kid) volume between 9 and noon. Bass roughly straight up, treble up more (about 2 o’clock).
Where is the eq is can vary a lot depending on what room of the house I am playing in and if I am on a humbucker guitar, LP Junior style (Hamer XT), or my Fender Special Telecaster (stock pick ups, Texas Specials? Not as traditional as a Seymour Duncan Broadcaster but work for me).
Would like to try a bigger combo Ampeg also with a Baxandal. This video was very helpful to get some info on that style of EQ circuit and to see a general visual representation. I need to check out that website.
Have you spent any time with any of the Ampeg guitar amps?
Hotrod Delux 3 with bass, mids and treble set at 7. I have a Strat and Les Paul
Brian, I asked a question on your FB group but I think a great video idea for you would be to cover how amp in a box style pedals respond, vs the actual amp they replicate. Like a fuzz into your plexi drive vs fuzz into an actual plexi.
Very informative. I'm puzzled as to why the native guitar amp tone circuit has that big dip in the mids. WRT to your demos, I found I liked the mids all the way up, and about 2 -3 o'clock on the trebles. Might reflect my old ears though! However, there is a lot you can do with the instrument's pickup choice and tone controls as well, which I like to think are the controls that matter most, as they are "at your fingertips" on the fly.
I mainly use an early 70's Music Man 65 watt combo 1x15 w/ EL34s. Lots of headroom! I like to set the EQ around noonish (Depending on the guitar) with a clean guitar sound and then I'll adjust my pedal EQ/Tone controls to taste. Of course that can change too once you start stacking!
I'm currently running a Rivera Era fender concert, od dist eq in the front chorus phazer 3 delays 1 reverb in the loop. I haven't used my boogie since
Brian, regarding amps with pedals, would you agree that you can generally get a Marshall sound on a Fender amp using pedals, but you can’t really get a Fender sound on a Marshall amp using pedals?
Trying to not get lost in the live mix I changed my amp EQ settings to be heard. Peavey Delta Blues 210: BASS 1 MIDS 9 TREBLE 4. I just bought an BOSS EQ pedal so I can attempt to get a better tone, boost my lead solos AND cut through the mix.
ENGL Powerball 100, Bass = 12:00 (5), Mid = 12:00 (5), Treble = 8:00 (2). I use an Empress Effects parametric EQ in the effects loop and give all 3 bands just a little bump; it really does a lot to make the sound a bit clearer.
I use Laney VH100R or Lee Jackson GP-1000. Lee Jackson takes the plexi trick, everything dimed to 10. Laney goes like "turn it up until something nice starts to happen with the tone knob, stop when it gets nasty or unpleasant and tweak between those spots" then cut most of the bass because I feel like bass just makes the sound annoying and not like guitar. Although the amp to marshall 4x12" cab with g12t-75 might be the reason. Anyway I barely have bass. Mid and treble usually sit around 6-7 I recall, that seems to be a nice spot for my gear. Obviously on the overdrive side, cleans need a different recipe not to shatter ears.
I usually play through my AC30, although the EQ is only available on the top boost channel. I typically use the darker, normal channel with the preamp cranked. But when I do use the top boost channel, I set the bass to a little past noon and the treble right at noon for my tele and vice versa for my lp.
I use an EHX Magnum 44 with a Legend 1518 speaker sitting in a closed cab somebody built for me. The Magnum 44 just has a bright switch as tone control, which is enough for me. Takes all kinds of pedals pretty well and has a nicely saturating preamp.
'74 vibrolux reverb.
With single coils: bright switch off, treble at 8, bass at 4 - amp doesn't have a mid control.
With humbucker: same treble and bass settings with bright switch on
Using a Quilter MicroPro "12 bass at 11 o'clock mid at 3 o'clock treb at 3 o'clock on a brown setting with a limiter 2 o'clock to create tube like sag. This amplifier takes pedals extremely well especially on the clean channel set to a more of a fender classic tone.
Hot Rod Deville. Lucky 7's across the EQ.
Hi, great video!
I use a Mesa Express 5.25 1x10, EQ depends on the Room&Situation I play.
Mostly it's Bass 3, Mids 2 to 4, Treble 5
Question: If I turn all EQ-Knobs down, the Amp is quiet as turned down vol or gain. What kind of EQ is that?
Never seen that at any Amp...
Yes it happens on that style of bass mids treble circuit, it’s because it shorts the resistance to ground
Thank you for answering.So it's just like in a Fender-Amp you showed, not as in a the Plexi-Drive pedal, obviously?!
I use a Fender Machete with all EQ settings close to noon (treble closer to 1:00). It has a very powerful active EQ. I sold my Empress ParaEq because I didn't need it after I got the Machete. Sadly, it's currently my only amp.
Panama Shaman 20. But use Marshall Vintage Modern & JCM 800s too. I usually just dime everything and cut back the bass a tad if it's too overpowering and maybe the presence if it's too harsh.
Great video! I hope I run into you at NAMM. I usually run my Seymour Duncan Convertible loaded with all normal modules with bass, middle and treble all at 1 o’clock as my dry amp. Then I run my Fender 68 modified Deluxe Reverb as the wet amp. I usually run the custom (bassman tone stack) at 6.5 treble and 5.5 bass or the vintage channel (regular Deluxe w/bright cap removed) at 7 treble and 4.5 bass.
Brian, I use a (Sweetwater edition) Fender 65 Princeton Reverb RI loaded with a 12” cannabis Rex. I almost always run my EQ controls by turning each one back and forth until I find the point where I hear a more drastic “jump” than anywhere else on the knob. I Cant tell you why! Somebody taught me this a long time ago and I just like doing it LOL
Carr Viceroy, Fender DXRV handwired rebuilt blackface, Suhr Hedgehog, Peavey Classic 30, Fender Twinolux EC, VOX AC30 HW2X, Morgan AC20 Deluxe, Brunetti Singleman 16, everywhere the same, EQ mostly at noon except with my old Mesa Boogie MK III Simulclass 75. This beast has a special EQ that needs attention and has a Graphic EQ too.
1st : Roland Blues cube hot. EQ all about noon,
Still experimenting with it for low volume and pedals.
2nd: Crate Vintage club 30, EQ- bass @ 11 o'clock, mids around 1 o'clock, treb around 11 to noon.
Usually play blues/classic rock, with some jazzy/ambient stuff to chill with.
I've used a Carlsbro 50 Top non-mastervolume for years now, simple, bulletproof and lots of Oopmf! Four knobs, Treble, mid, bass and Volume, toneknobs at 12, volume dependent of venue.
That guitar science calculator is sooooooo cool! Thanks for the tip!
JVM401H . (1-10) Bass 4 Mid 7 Treb 5. Resonance 2.5, Presence 4.5. I do use an EQ pedal with cuts to low/high and a slight bump in the mids. EQ pedal is right before my TS-9 in the chain
I use Bugera V55 and I use the wah-wah way of finding the sweet spot of my amp's eq. I hit a chord and start fiddling the Bass knob until I find the Wah-Wah sound. Then I do the same with Mids and last Treble. This never changes as this is the amp's sweet spot. Then I add extra low end with pedals or else.
BTW, I've got this tip from Matt Schofield when That Pedal Show had him as a guest!
ruclips.net/video/shAtnDUXGlQ/видео.html
go to 28:10 of the vid
Gotta double up on you Brian b/c I've been using an ORANGE AD-15 for since they first started re-issuing, and it took me almost as long (plus a swap from the Vintage 30 to an 8ohms Greenback to find the sweet spot.
GAIN - 4
Bass - 6
MID - 7
HI - 8
MASTER - 6 NOTE - Just bought a Vox AC15C1 3 days ago. Since I use a Strat it's more glassy than chimey, but so far I've settled on Top Boost
MASTER - Vol 10:30/Tone Cut 11:00
TOP BOOST - BASS 1:30ish/Treble 10:45/Volume 10:00
I have a massive headache at the moment. I just want to say I have the Wampler Plexi Drive Deluxe and it can get me a great clean, distortion and even tube screamer sounds and to top that it has a 3 band EQ and bass boost switch and a treble boost switch. I have 15 guitar amps and a cobbled together @ 1 watt tube amp with only volume and distortion knobs, so the Wampler Plexi Drive Deluxe complets it and makes it into a versatile little 1 watt amp. What it does for my cobbled together amp it also does with the other 15 store bought real guitar amps. I keep the Plexi Drive Deluxe up on a bench and I play sitting down (neck issues so I can only play seated) and that Wampler Pedal allows me to EQ to my heart's content without walking over to the amps. It's my most used pedal. -Peter
Fender Hot Rod DeVille III 410, Fender EC Vibro Champ, Marshall DSL40CST, (2) 5 watt Kustom heads, Randall Diavlo 5 watt head, Monoprice 15 watt 12" speaker combo amp, and (8) S.S. amps which are all pretty damn good.
My best amp was sold when due to injuries I could not even hold my guitar for a couple of years. This was my Hot Rodded Marshall JCM 900 MkIII with a full stack of Marshall JCM 900 1960A and 1960B speaker cabs. Never needed any pedal and could get violin like sustain past a 60 second count. Tub sag and every good tube amp accolade applies to that amp! To this day I claim it to be the very best rig on the planet earth or so I thought until I had a tech return it to stock. That's another reason why I sold it as I no longer loved it. Now get this. I am a living example of "stupid"! Why? Well how come I just did not realize that all I had to do is bring the head back to the same tech and have it put it back the way he found it, the way I loved it!
Have you ever been playing and hear s huge ROAR and thought Oh my God, I'm on a beach in Hawaii and a Tidal wave is about to crash down upon me (judging from the Marshall roar). Many times I had to turn around and look 35 feet up in the air to where the sound was only to see nothing...except my marshall JCM900 rig right behind me. Love, Love Love. I played like how I felt, my sound was in my fingers ...and roaring out from my Marshall JCM 900 rig. -Peter
I like effects with full EQ stacks in them, because I like my effects to be as transparent as possible. I just want the sound that I've set on my amp, but with the effect added, without dropping my bass out or boosting my mids or treble. With a full EQ on a pedal I can usually achieve that. I've got no love for TS style mid hump pedals or modulation effects that kill all your bass frequencies and don't give you a means to correct for it.
HR Deville 4x10, pretty close to flat with presence around 7
Bassbreaker 007, bass 1, mids 4, treble 7-8
Marshall Vintage Modern,
Base sound is as "fender" clean as possible, Master 100%, Presence 75%, bass 50%, middle 25% , treble 50%, detail 20%, body 15% ( these last two are increased in proportion depending on the time of day because of neighbors).
I try to EQ in detail with an MXR 10 band in the FX loop, but unfortunately this amps fx loop has a huge tone and volume drop when engaged.
So I use it in front of the amp, when I need something even more crystal clean, or when I need more thump on the muff or drive.
Using mainly my Marshall DSL100HR and various pedals including a 10 band EQ. I recently changed output tubes from JJ EL34's to Electro Harmonix EL34'S. The EH made my amp way more articulate and less bass saturated like the JJ'S. Also the JJ EL34'S wouldn't ever bias above 80mv(tried multiple sets same low bias) so I settled on 74mv but with the EH EL34's I'm at 86mv and the whole amp reacts so much better. It weird I've found after trying many preamp tubes the only combination that doesn't result is muddy distortion at higher gain is a jj ecc83 in v1 and 3 shuguang 12ax7b's in the other 3 positions. I've tried tung sol 12ax7, sovtek 12ax7LPS (the closest to sounding good but still distorted muddy low end at higher gain), and electro harmonix 12ax7's. But I tried them all before I got the EH EL34's that cleared up my amp and made it less bass heavy. So i might try them all again with the EH EL34'S . Basically i want my amp to be less bassy and more articulate. Maybe lower gain tubes which have higher power and better headroom? I want to find out why it sounds good with those 12ax7b's and a JJ but bad with the others so I know who to get that sound back in the future if a preamp tube goes bad. Any suggestions?
Wow perfect timing just got my first eq pedal(after playing guitar 16 years! Lol) and never realized what a difference it would make. Also how much it helps dialing in and fine tuning my tone.
AC15 Normal channel, bright switch on, tone cup up at 5 oclock and master bypassed idealy.
Supro Rhythm Master (15" Speaker, non master volume) Set to noon on volume and attenuated too taste. bass at 10 and treble at 2.
Boss Katana artist. I do 10-11 on bass, 2 on mids, 3 on tremble on my clean channel. That seems to take pedals best. I used the Matt Schofield eq method.
Hi. Vox ac15c1. Bass 10oclock treble 2oclock. Tone cut 2oclock. Great vid!
5150 III (Bass Mid Treb set to noon, Presence around 6-7) Friedman Runt 20 (Pres 5, Mid 6, Treb 5, Bass 4-5) both run into a Mesa 2x12 with made in Britain V-30's
Nice video! I generally run my Micro Terror and Micro Dark with the tone at 10:30. On my red stripe Peavey Bandit, I like to crank each tone knob to 10.
Jtm45 clone with a tube rectifier and running on kt66 power tubes, and a post PI master volume. I basically have the bass off, everything else cranked, channels jumpered and master set to the size of the room.
I use a Carvin SX100, solid state amp. I only use a clean sound (I haven't used distortion for a long time. Studying jazz, that is of the Wes Montgomery, Kenny Burrell style meant that I didn't need distortion.) I have the bass to mids as the dominant sound, with just a touch of treble. I also add a bit of reverb. It's a very simple tone, coupled with basically just a linear operation of the transistors (nothing is driven into saturation.) I never use tube amps, as they aren't as durable as solidstate amps. Tubes can go microphonic or do other things. They are expensive to replace. Many times guitar players come up to me on gigs and are surprised to learn that I'm using a solid state amp. I get a pretty rich tone. Lots of tube amp guys have preconceived notions that don't match with reality. Modern day FET circuits can emulate tube sounds quite effectively. Heck, my old Peavey amp that was made with discrete bi-polar transistor (one FET in the entire amp) was often mistaken by tube guys as being a tube amp (on this amp Peavey placed and audio transformer between the single driver transistor and the two output transistors, adding a tad of tube like distortion.) And this is Peavey Pacer amp, that I bought in 1980 (it's all discrete components.) It was one of the low ends of Peavey's line of amps. I put a JBL in it, and it sounds great. Addendum: On small gigs I use a Roland Cube 30. I also roll the treble back on this amp, and put plenty of bass and some mids, to get a rolled off jazz tone. Again, I add a touch of reverb.
I use an Orange Crush 120H. I have mids all the way up, and bass and treble on half.
My thinking has been that having multiple EQ stages only defeat the purpose of each other. When you have an EQ on the guitar itself, then an EQ on this pedal, an EQ on that pedal, and the EQ on the amplifier, adjusting one will throw off all the others. That is exactly the reason why I will not buy pedals with an onboard EQ, or guitars with an active preamp. The only EQ you need is on the amplifier, plus the tone knob on a passive guitar. That will do everything you need it to do.
Great video very informative as usual. I'm using a Quilter Overdrive 200 - Bass 2.5 - Mid 8 - Treble 4 With a Triple Wreck going into it. It's a great amp with an equally great pedal. I use them to devastating effect for metal tones🤘
Happy New Year Mr. Wampler!
2019: the year I get either a Plexi-Drive Deluxe or a Paisley Drive Deluxe
I have other Plexi/JCM800 pedals - but none sound as good as yours. BUT - I don't have *anything* that sounds like the Paisley (kinda like Mr. Paisley himself).
I use a Fender Champion and a Mustang in stereo. I tend to set the amps to the rooms then boost the mids with the eq pedal.
Dr Z / Monza, The single tone knob is pretty inflexible with only 1 position the makes my main guitar sound good. I have been experimenting with a MXR EQ between my pedal board and the amp head.
Unfortunately the tone stack calculator does not have Dr Z products. I really would love to know what the wave looks like for my amp.
Chances are the tonestack is something similar schematically, you would just need to plug in the correct values from the schematic
Brian, TY for the reply. Sorry but I am not following / "something similar schematically" to what? I cant find a tone schematic on Dr Z's site to start from. My ears should be the test, but unfortunately I'm a bit of a data geek and like the "numbers" so to speak :) all the best Rob
Crate GX130c with bass 5, treble 10, mid shape 8... and a Peavey renown solo with bass 7, mids 2, treble 3, presence 9. both running in stereo with the gain on 11 and a tube screamer in front with drive on 4, tone 8, level 7
I use a Vox mv50 clean as a pedal slave and it only has a treble/bass pot, I usually use them more as a presence/depth technically just adjusting it slightly, mostly to complement the different room sizes when I'm gigging and as a "preamp" I started using a Blackstar LT Dual and a Boss 7band graphic eq before the pedal as a mid boost. It's really cool and the vox is super small, I usuall just travel with one guitar case when II go giggin'.
Roland Blues Cube Artist 212, everything at noon; sweet glorious tone for days.
Marshall DSL100HR EQ In the loop, always always in the loop. My amp settings are all over the place cause the dsl100hr is stupid versatile plus it has two channels with two settings each and I like to dial in the tone stack to complement the channel/setting I'm on. I've got a Treble booster/Fuzz Face dual pedal I built (germanium PNP NTE102/NTE104A for the fuzz face and a Silicon MPSA18 NPN transistor for the Treble Booster. So it's basically a reverse Analogman Sunlion but with components that suited my gear and taste), Ts9 i modded, klon clone I built, triangle muff and noise gate out front. Then buffer, 10 band eq, loop box with an MXR M234(I modded) in its loop, vibrato pedal(kokko boss vb2 clone with much more range), compression (yes in the loop!), Quaverato Harmonic Tremolo(I also built), MXR Carbon Copy delay(i modded for external modulation trim pots using the empty battery compartment space for the new external pots that control speed and width), TC electronic Hall of fame reverb and Boss Rc3 Looper all in the loop. Having pedals that can boost in the loop like EQ, compression (newer style comps, old comp are to noisey in the loop. I don't mean digital or expensive by sayong "new" either. For example my favorite comp that works perfect in the loop is just a cheap donnor ultimate comp) and pedals like my harmonic tremolo that can boost gain are amazing for clean tones when in the loop. A great example is kicking on compression when using split coils (comp in the loop with comp/gain set really low and volume up high and tone set to taste) it will make your split coils sound amazing for cleans. But boosting for cleans works excellent with humbuckers and single coils also. Anyways it's easier to show someone in person all those things cause there's no denying how great it sounds but talking about it doesn't have the same effect lol.
I use a hotrod deluxe and I tune the eq for the guitar/room so I set my guitar on the neck pickup and turn the bass up till it sounds like it comes alive and the same process for the middle and bridge pickup for mids and treble
Hi Brian! I use my Fender Tweed Custom Deluxe with the tone control on 10 (it goes from 1 to 12)