Look at some of the reviews of aftermarket chains. I've read some horror stories of aftermarket chains breaking. OEM lasted 140k Miles without breaking. Do what you want @@imgonnagogetthepapersgetth8347
@@zimmermanlandscape9287 Why were we lucky if they made 100,000 miles? Because they were poorly made with poor parts right at the factory. That was my point about oem parts. That's not all-encompassing, of course.
Used this as a guide on a 15 Equinox with just under 92k starting to make the noise already-turns out the chain was stretched and rubbing the top of the valve cover. This is probably the best video explaining this process without an engine hoist, and your explanation of top-dead-center actually made a lot of sense. All in all it took me about 10 hours start to finish but it already runs so much better that it ever had before.
This video is excellent, it makes this pain in the rear end of a job so much easier. Thank you for taking the time to make it and share it with the world.
I'm not sure why you found it necessary to take out the engine mount. The top 2 bolts were kinda 'hard' to get to on the timing chain cover, but managed after some time.
If your only paying 1500 for this job , RUN! This is a detailed job and not to be rushed through by some non tax paying mechanic! With timing kit, water pump, gaskets, spark plugs, warranty , 3200 bucks easy.
@@Rccrdawgs not true, my guy said 1400. It would probably take him 4 hours and he's legit.. works in a shop during their after hours and takes in his own customers.
Just wanted to say that I have the exact same vehicle, and one of the black guide bolts worked its way loose and wreaked havoc inside the timing cover and snapped the cam timing chain. The kits was about $115 off of Amazon and I was able to replace EVERYTHING and re-time it all thanks to your video. Your instructions are spot on. It runs so smooth and quiet now. Purring like a kitten. Thanks man! A fantastic tutorial. Took me about 12 hours, start to finish. I did not have to remove the engine mount. I was able to get that top bolt with a 10mm 'ratchet style' box end Stanley wrench. Just a great tutorial, I can't thank you enough. Top quality. Keep em coming!
@@buscojosenjuarezdenuevoleo9669 yes, you'll need to drain the oil because you have to remove the entire oil pan. (13mm socket) And be sure to clean it of any debris. Including the oil pickup tube inside the pan. (10mm socket) So make sure you have some Permatex gasket maker or equivalent, since there is no manufactured gasket for this engine's oil pan. Put in new oil and filter after reassembling and before starting the engine again.
Great video... for those who are having trouble aligning the exhaust cam key at,, 27:51 he explained, but if you have doubts with that method there is another method.... So all timing marks should be aligned with the crank shaft key at 12. With marked timing chain link on exhaust cam place sprocket on cam(do not tighten) turn crank shaft (looking at bottom mark witch is 6oclock to about the 7oclock mark. If your look at the top key it will be another the 1oclocl... Then take a 24mm or 15/16 wrench against intake cam and rotate counter clockwise also while rotating exhaust cam sprocket counter clockwise until the exhaust sprocket key meets up with the exhaust lock. It may take a few times but it always works for me... hope that it works for you..
I have the same GMC Terrain Vehicle and at 109,000 miles I started hearing a noise near the timing chain. I took it into a shop and they stated im better getting a used engine for $1,500 to $2,000. So I decided to do it myself. I had removed the items in your vehicle and saw that the timing chain was lose as expected. I purchased the items on your video and did it myself making sure I did not miss a step from your video. It took 10 to 12 hours. The vehicle is running like a new vehicle and no oil leak anywhere and sounds like a new vehicle. Great Job!! and Thanks for the video.
I have the same vehicle and I’m going through this now I’ve changed the top timing chain but didn’t do the water pump one. Put everything back started then second later ….off, imma just doing all the timing and follow your video. No one else did a video on the terrain timing chain but you. Very well made video bro this will help me out a lot.
Thanks for the comment. Lmk if you have any questions, I'll always do the best I can to help the people that watch my videos. Also Make sure that you replace the guides and tensioners. Don't cheap out on parts here. It's BEST to use OEM parts. Cost me around 300 bucks for All OEM components. I've read so many horror stories of people having aftermarket chains break.
Kindness is a weakness to the indecent but virtuous to the decent thank you for being among our most decent. Nice work. My wife just bought one similar. Drove to Nebraska from Colorado and back. Next day that dreaded sound. I love working on vehicles and did it back in 1980 in my 20s professionally for a few years. My body today don’t like to get in all those uncomfortable positions but I’ll do it. Your video is perfect. Bravo sir. Those engines look pretty dirty now a days.
Stop around 22:50. I don't think you are suppose to turn the crank after you take the timing chain off. Isn't this an INTERFERENCE ENGINE???? I think you should have rotated the other sprockets (water pump and stationary sprocket) to along to the crankshaft mark. I will watch to the end to see if this engine starts. 🤞
Also. You can see when he is in there. There is a sliver of head gasket hanging out that is crazy sharp. Save yourself the hassle and make sure not to force any bolts out and your ratchet slip. Trip to the ER cost me more than the repair.
Awesome video, I did it without removing the motor mount, you just ha e to get that top 10mm bolt with a skinny ratchet from the top above the alternator :)
I love your video. You was real detail and I always will subscribe to you. You taught me how to do a time and change job on a 2013 GMC terrain thank you so very much.
Your a good mechanic my friend. Its always nice to talk to someone whos been there and done that. In this case you capture those little things that someone doing it for the first time would have to figure out on their own, you know, things like how to hold your tongue the right way to get to a bolt or locating that bolt you cant see but can only feel ( The Houdini bolt ). Thanks for posting, I'm sure your video will save me a couple hours time as I'm getting ready to tackle this job myself.
By any chance, to you remember the torque specs on the crankshaft pulley bolt, as well as the valves cover bolt torque specs? By the way, I was able to do these same repairs with ease because of your video. Most detailed video out there! Besides the cutting the video short!
Thanks for the informative video. I have a feeling I'll be doing the same job on my wife's Equinox soon. And props to your wife-to-be/wife for hanging in there while the car was being worked on.
After 1st revolution off chain installation the color will NOT aligned back ti the marks it will take over 100 revolution to aligned again..what u see is normal you have a stretch chain.COLOR LINK ONLY MATTERS AT INSTALATION ONLY.
Those chains not coming back to the same tooth is by design. Every manufacturer does it so that any wear is spread out. Say a tooth on sprocket was shaped different than the rest and the chain hit that link every time it would make for quick wear on one link. By design wear is spread out. To tell if you're in the right spot count the links between the marks
the only thing i find unbelievable in this video is that he just pulled of the crank pulley with no puller. had the damn thing apart and had to have a buddy drive me to auto zone to buy a puller lol
So after getting all of the chains and guides on, how many time do I need to rotate the engine so the timing marks will line back up to everything? Or is this one of those one-time thing and Let Jesus take the wheel? Lol
Good question. So I spun the engine over several times in an attempt to get everything perfectly realigned on the timing marks. I was unable to. On initial installation of the chain, triple check that the timing marks are aligned properly, and then let Jesus take the wheel.
I had to do this. I had the first chain on and when tackling the second I had managed to rotate the engine a few times. To get it lined back up perfectly on the marks, I think I rotated it about 30 or 40 more times before everything landed back where it was supposed to be. I was then able to focus on the second chain/timing marks. So yeah, a lot of turns is the answer but they will line back up eventually.
Thanks for the comment George. Just make sure that all those timing marks line up. It seems like a complex and intimidating job, but it's really not that bad.
When doing this job, use good quality replacement new parts (e.g.Cloyes or similar). However, the black LH chain guide can be totally disregarded & replaced with a much stronger item as used on racing engines, which is obtainable on-line from 2 suppliers in the US. Their much superior & stronger 6mm dia. guide fixing bolts should also be used throughout. When installing the 2 chain tensioners, prime with oil beforehand, also the VVT sprockets internally. When replacing the valve cover, remove all the OEM 8.8 bolts & replace with 10.9 rated strength bolts or better still 12.9. Use SHELL synthetic 5W-30 Helix Ultra Professional engine oil and change with filter (best being from MANN or Bosch) after 2,000km. Check valve timing chain top (upper) guide after 30,000km for wear. Change valve cover oil filler cap for a new AC Delco FC219 type with blow-off valve incorporated. Job done.
Great video sir i have a question after installing the timing and balance chains when rotating the engine manually there's a spot where it gets a little harder to turn then there's a popping sound not that loud but it seems to be a valve the exhaust is at the 7 o clock postition and and the intake at 2pm at tdc so i doubt there's something mistimed but i may be wrong
Resistance is normal. That resistance you feel is the camshaft lobes opening valves. So long as you have the chain timed properly on those timing marks, you should be good to go. If you are not confident about the timing, take the chain off and start over. If you hear a metal on metal sound, or the engine is binding, then that would be a problem.
I understand the two camshaft bolts require replacement. Single use only... Or "torque to yield"... But doesnt this also apply yo the main crankshaft bolt ?
Oh it will break GMC forgot to add that in the sticker price automatic locks electric windows am/fm cd player and a timing chain that will need replaced at 31k miles and a pvc line that will Clog and blow out your seals
THIS IS AN AWESOME DIY VIDEO...VERY INFORMATIVE AND WASN'T RUSHED! IM MECHANICALLY INCLINED BUT HAVE BEEN DOUBTING MYSELF ABOUT IT.....THIS INSPIRED ME!
Same thing when buying tires .. tire shop quote $1000 for the same tires I got from Walmart $700 and you got to shop around and mean I just want to pay tires and not your electric bill for the month …
Surprised you didnt do the water pump while you were right there😵💫 i have to do my wifes terrain. Not looking forward to it. But seems straight forward and easier than doing an audi timing chain. What really threw me off was the timing chain marks not aligned on the oem chain. I dont think it skipped tooth on timing but something definitely strange. In the future if you could call out tool sizes as you use them that would be fantastic. Anyway thanks for posting!
onatiming belt job i would have replaced that partno matter what , unless it was recently done . but to each their own . thanks for sharing your expertise
I do not recall unfortunately. I know it's a larger size. You should be able to purchase a kit and check the plug on the side of the block before you tackle this job.
@@OldSoulMillennial also wanted to ask have you had any other troubles since you replaced the timing chain? My timing chain kit arrives in the mail this weekend and I just wanted to make sure I didn’t overlook anything
@@trollseasoning1012 Zero Issues with the repair. I highly recommend you do the timing chain and balance shaft chain. Stick with OEM. I've read many horror stories of the aftermarket chains breaking. I have links to oem components in the description.
So you can move the crank once you take the timing chain off??? I moved mine clock wise until the timing marks lined up after I already took off the main timing I’m talking about the balance shaft chain
I figured it out but nope I got it all good didn’t bend anything and it’s funny u find a question hilarious and yes I can turn the crank without the timing chain on shows how much u kno about a 2.4 ecotec it’s cool tho good thing I figured it out myself
Of course you can turn the stuff, how else are you going to get it to line up, just don't try turning it more than a couple teeth. Just make sure all the marks line up when you are done
@OldSoulMillennial by chance do you have a link to buy new ones. Oem or aftermarket you recommend. I would rather spend the extra and not have to worry about it
I’m about to mine for the second time it only has 60,000 miles but out of gm warranty I didn’t have the timing right it’s off by a tooth I think how u did it will help me get it timed right Ty
I guess you have not read or know about the Honda TSB about the rattle on start up. Same problem needs a chain and phaser or camshaft. Not to mention about them burning oil and ruining cat. converters.
I just replaced the tensioner but didn't tap it to "activate" it. There were so many back and forth comments online with no clear answer on whether it will activate itself or you have to manually activate it. Of course I didn't see this video until the job was done. The car sounds exactly the same as it did before with the quick rattle on startup. I honestly have no idea if it activated or not.
The tensioner must be manually activated. It is possible it deployed, however if you are still getting that rattle, chances are it didn't activate. I would pull the head, and check the timing chain tension. Did you also replace the balance shaft chain? That was the main rattle noise on this car. If you look through the video, it was hitting the case.
I was going to attempt this myself but, i dont have a garage. Plus i dont trust doing something ive never done. Thank you for this video, if i HAVE to do it myself. This will be the video i watch and if you dont mind ill put your link below!
The best way to replace the timing chain or water pump on these GM models is to sell the vehicle as soon as possible for a loss, just to get away from the pain.
I've seen several similar videos,yours has the balance chain replacement included. I wonder why the water pump isn't also replaced when going this far into the job? The only other thing I would add would be assemby lube to the chain and tensioners. I may have a job like this in my near future. Thanks for sharing.
Got same thing going on and just drained oil and it's silver ..... so is that from timing chain eating everything and gear being bad or do I got bigger issues?
If this is a question, this is an interference motor. Meaning if the timing chain isn’t perfectly timed, it is very likely that valve damage will occur.
@@OldSoulMillennial yes sir ty, it should had said will that bend a valve if it’s only one tooth off. Got a family member who thought he was a mechanic
The balance shaft chain does more than drive the water pump, it also drives the intake and exhaust balance shafts. The intake and exhaust balance shafts must be properly timed with the crank shaft.
I have a question you first set it up the black mark was perfect inside the Groove then when you turned it 3 full times it was one link off that Groove at 35:30 into the video so it was like it was before you started the job. Why is that? Is that ok?
This is normal. I’ve learned that the engine does this intentionally to ensure that the chain and sprockets wear evenly. The chain will not line up with its respective marks every rotation. As long as you are 100% sure that when you installed the chain all the marks lined up properly, you should be good to go.
Did you forget to use 'clear flood mode' to prime the engine before start-up? All those lifters, bearings, etc. needed pre-lube. CFM should be used if vehicle isn't used for several days or so, regardless of new chains, etc.
CFM can be accomplished by holding your foot to the floor while cranking but this is totally unnecessary all the other components he's referencing to you did not touch there is still residue oil left over on them. In clear flood mode would not give you enough oil pressure and distribution to lube all them Parts anyways
Ні. thank you for video. I am considering GMC Terrain 2.4 as my next car. 90% of cars with mileage of 140-180 thousand kilometers. Now I understand that cars up to 200 thousand have a native timing chain. What to do when buying such a car? Immediately replace this spare part? Should I wait for the absence of symptoms? And how much does such work cost from a professional mechanic? In general, I am surprised that there is a chain in the engine of a modern car like in my bicycle.
I would avoid the GMC Terrain 2.4 if possible. The 2.4 likes to burn oil, and thus, the pcv system gets clogged regularly. I believe the oil consumption is due to crummy piston rings (causing excessive blow by). Subscribers have reported that a replacement timing chain may cost between 1400-3400 USD depending on the mechanic. Also depends if you replace the balance shaft chain. Both chains should be replaced every 100-120 Thousand miles. In short, unless you are mechanically inclined and intend to do your own repairs and maintenance, A used high mileage 2.4 Terrain will likely be problematic and expensive to maintain.
@@OldSoulMillennial Agree with all that you said. I have a 2011 Chevy Equinox that uses lots of oil, clogged pcv system blew out rear main seal, and has ruined the cat because of all the oil blow-by, cracked exhaust manifold, etc. So yes, I would advise avoiding that 2.4L engine like the plague.
Wondering as every kit including yours has a timing gear oiler. I didn’t see anything in this video, what do you use this for or does it get placed somewhere not shown in the video? Thanks again for the video as this is very helpful.
Great question. I did replace the oiler, but I forgot to video the replacement. I believe its bolt off, bolt on. You can't miss it once you disassemble everything. Very simple. I believe its purpose is to direct engine oil directly on the chain. Really, it's just like an oil guide chute.
OSM, thank you so much! I can't imagine doing this repair AND filming it, bravo. My Terrain runs like it's brand new now! For more novice DIY'ers (like me), this took me about 15 hours and I went slowly and carefully, some tips for folks like me: -you will need an impact driver to remove the crankshaft pulley bolt (I also needed a handheld propane torch from Home Depot to heat up this bolt for 2 minutes, finally broke free). -I also recommend removing the engine mount with support under oil pan, it just made it so much easier to access everything, as it's pretty tight. -Also, how to “find the top dead center of cylinder #1” found at 18:15 here: ( ruclips.net/video/OzzqmPmZxnc/видео.htmlfeature=shared ). -I used Dorman part 917-954 special bolt to replace the guide bolt + 10 mm Hex cover (it replaces both) -Lastly, I found putting the alternator belt back on the tensioner as one of the more difficult parts of this actually! You have to put it around all the other pulleys first and slip it on the smooth tensioner wheel last (while extending the tensioner). Thanks again OSM, a life saver, good luck to everyone else.
🚩 Don't cheap out on this Job! Use OEM Components!!! Links to OEM parts in the description above. 🚩
But it WAS the OEM components that failed in the first place. Why not give another company a shot? Should go with a name brand, though...
Look at some of the reviews of aftermarket chains. I've read some horror stories of aftermarket chains breaking. OEM lasted 140k Miles without breaking. Do what you want @@imgonnagogetthepapersgetth8347
@@OldSoulMillennial 140k is nothing to be impressed with. Timing belts can go 100k easily. Chains ought to last 300k.
OE brake pads even go 140. Some people are so ungrateful anymore. Used to be lucky if the whole car made it to 100
@@zimmermanlandscape9287 Why were we lucky if they made 100,000 miles? Because they were poorly made with poor parts right at the factory. That was my point about oem parts. That's not all-encompassing, of course.
Used this as a guide on a 15 Equinox with just under 92k starting to make the noise already-turns out the chain was stretched and rubbing the top of the valve cover. This is probably the best video explaining this process without an engine hoist, and your explanation of top-dead-center actually made a lot of sense. All in all it took me about 10 hours start to finish but it already runs so much better that it ever had before.
I have a 15 equinox LT 206k and I want to replace the timing chain and possibly the balance shaft chain. Any tips, tools or advice you could share.
This video is excellent, it makes this pain in the rear end of a job so much easier. Thank you for taking the time to make it and share it with the world.
Honestly could not be doing the job without this video.
Grateful for you. You really helped me out 🙏🏾
This video is a 10/10 man. Got the exact same engine. Figured I'd throw 200 at it myself instead of 2500 to a shop. Appreciate it.
I'm not sure why you found it necessary to take out the engine mount. The top 2 bolts were kinda 'hard' to get to on the timing chain cover, but managed after some time.
Even if I spend three days on it it’s still saving me 85 for every hour
11/10
just kidding; I ended up taking out the engine mount to make installation easier.. was worth the 2 minutes for 5 bolts and a floorjack...
@@RyanNelson404 it seems like you could trim the timing cover gasket before installation in order to avoid removing that other thing from the block
Just a FYI, this was easily a $1200-$1500 repair. You did great.
gmc delaership just quoted me 3300 lolol get out of here
If your only paying 1500 for this job , RUN!
This is a detailed job and not to be rushed through by some non tax paying mechanic!
With timing kit, water pump, gaskets, spark plugs, warranty , 3200 bucks easy.
@@Rccrdawgs not true, my guy said 1400. It would probably take him 4 hours and he's legit.. works in a shop during their after hours and takes in his own customers.
I charge 2,600 with parts and labor I also include the water pump
@bulltor3583 yeah, he did say he isn't touching that unless he needed to
I just did this myself on my 2017 Terrain. This video was my source of info to do it. Thank you. Took me a little over 6 hours.
Can I pay you to do mines?
Just wanted to say that I have the exact same vehicle, and one of the black guide bolts worked its way loose and wreaked havoc inside the timing cover and snapped the cam timing chain. The kits was about $115 off of Amazon and I was able to replace EVERYTHING and re-time it all thanks to your video. Your instructions are spot on. It runs so smooth and quiet now. Purring like a kitten. Thanks man! A fantastic tutorial. Took me about 12 hours, start to finish. I did not have to remove the engine mount. I was able to get that top bolt with a 10mm 'ratchet style' box end Stanley wrench. Just a great tutorial, I can't thank you enough. Top quality. Keep em coming!
Glad this video helped!
Cowboyup I was wonder what the kit number that had everything Thanks
i had the same thing happen. except the black guide came out in 3 pieces this video saved me a crap load of money.
Is the oil have to be drain?
@@buscojosenjuarezdenuevoleo9669 yes, you'll need to drain the oil because you have to remove the entire oil pan. (13mm socket) And be sure to clean it of any debris. Including the oil pickup tube inside the pan. (10mm socket) So make sure you have some Permatex gasket maker or equivalent, since there is no manufactured gasket for this engine's oil pan. Put in new oil and filter after reassembling and before starting the engine again.
Great video... for those who are having trouble aligning the exhaust cam key at,, 27:51 he explained, but if you have doubts with that method there is another method.... So all timing marks should be aligned with the crank shaft key at 12. With marked timing chain link on exhaust cam place sprocket on cam(do not tighten) turn crank shaft (looking at bottom mark witch is 6oclock to about the 7oclock mark. If your look at the top key it will be another the 1oclocl... Then take a 24mm or 15/16 wrench against intake cam and rotate counter clockwise also while rotating exhaust cam sprocket counter clockwise until the exhaust sprocket key meets up with the exhaust lock. It may take a few times but it always works for me... hope that it works for you..
I have the same GMC Terrain Vehicle and at 109,000 miles I started hearing a noise near the timing chain. I took it into a shop and they stated im better getting a used engine for $1,500 to $2,000. So I decided to do it myself. I had removed the items in your vehicle and saw that the timing chain was lose as expected. I purchased the items on your video and did it myself making sure I did not miss a step from your video. It took 10 to 12 hours. The vehicle is running like a new vehicle and no oil leak anywhere and sounds like a new vehicle. Great Job!! and Thanks for the video.
I have the same vehicle and I’m going through this now I’ve changed the top timing chain but didn’t do the water pump one. Put everything back started then second later ….off, imma just doing all the timing and follow your video. No one else did a video on the terrain timing chain but you. Very well made video bro this will help me out a lot.
Thanks for the comment. Lmk if you have any questions, I'll always do the best I can to help the people that watch my videos.
Also Make sure that you replace the guides and tensioners. Don't cheap out on parts here. It's BEST to use OEM parts. Cost me around 300 bucks for All OEM components. I've read so many horror stories of people having aftermarket chains break.
Kindness is a weakness to the indecent but virtuous to the decent thank you for being among our most decent. Nice work. My wife just bought one similar. Drove to Nebraska from Colorado and back. Next day that dreaded sound. I love working on vehicles and did it back in 1980 in my 20s professionally for a few years. My body today don’t like to get in all those uncomfortable positions but I’ll do it. Your video is perfect. Bravo sir. Those engines look pretty dirty now a days.
Just did this job. Your video helped me tremendously! Thanks for putting it out here!
@@joeb6010 Nice job! Just identified that mine has a cracked exhaust manifold now. Gonna make a repair video on that in the new future
Stop around 22:50. I don't think you are suppose to turn the crank after you take the timing chain off. Isn't this an INTERFERENCE ENGINE???? I think you should have rotated the other sprockets (water pump and stationary sprocket) to along to the crankshaft mark. I will watch to the end to see if this engine starts. 🤞
Also. You can see when he is in there. There is a sliver of head gasket hanging out that is crazy sharp. Save yourself the hassle and make sure not to force any bolts out and your ratchet slip. Trip to the ER cost me more than the repair.
Well done ! Thank you made my job so easy
Good job, feels good doing things on your own.
DO NOT EVER turn the engine with the timing chain off, very lucky valves weren't bent in the process.
If you're doing it by hand you'll be find dumb ass, as long as you know not to go hard on it if it binds.
Thank you. I hope you keep making videos like this. I am glad there are people like you out there
Awesome video, I did it without removing the motor mount, you just ha e to get that top 10mm bolt with a skinny ratchet from the top above the alternator :)
I used a 1” extension and a shallow well
Timing cover gasket can be clipped to get around the mount
I love your video. You was real detail and I always will subscribe to you. You taught me how to do a time and change job on a 2013 GMC terrain thank you so very much.
Your a good mechanic my friend. Its always nice to talk to someone whos been there and done that. In this case you capture those little things that someone doing it for the first time would have to figure out on their own, you know, things like how to hold your tongue the right way to get to a bolt or locating that bolt you cant see but can only feel ( The Houdini bolt ). Thanks for posting, I'm sure your video will save me a couple hours time as I'm getting ready to tackle this job myself.
Very well done video with good details. I have a 2010 equinox 2.4L with the exact same issue so this is a real help.
By any chance, to you remember the torque specs on the crankshaft pulley bolt, as well as the valves cover bolt torque specs? By the way, I was able to do these same repairs with ease because of your video. Most detailed video out there! Besides the cutting the video short!
Thanks for the informative video. I have a feeling I'll be doing the same job on my wife's Equinox soon. And props to your wife-to-be/wife for hanging in there while the car was being worked on.
After 1st revolution off chain installation the color will NOT aligned back ti the marks it will take over 100 revolution to aligned again..what u see is normal you have a stretch chain.COLOR LINK ONLY MATTERS AT INSTALATION ONLY.
How to fix timing chain and timing gear doesn't come back again where i did set up? What the problem?
Re do it
Yes. I did re do it. And only hear the engine turning but won't fine. Is crank ok. Won't start.????
My pulleys for the balancing chain don't have any markings on them. What do i do
Those chains not coming back to the same tooth is by design. Every manufacturer does it so that any wear is spread out. Say a tooth on sprocket was shaped different than the rest and the chain hit that link every time it would make for quick wear on one link. By design wear is spread out. To tell if you're in the right spot count the links between the marks
Thank you for explaining this!
the only thing i find unbelievable in this video is that he just pulled of the crank pulley with no puller. had the damn thing apart and had to have a buddy drive me to auto zone to buy a puller lol
So after getting all of the chains and guides on, how many time do I need to rotate the engine so the timing marks will line back up to everything? Or is this one of those one-time thing and Let Jesus take the wheel? Lol
Good question. So I spun the engine over several times in an attempt to get everything perfectly realigned on the timing marks. I was unable to. On initial installation of the chain, triple check that the timing marks are aligned properly, and then let Jesus take the wheel.
I had to do this. I had the first chain on and when tackling the second I had managed to rotate the engine a few times. To get it lined back up perfectly on the marks, I think I rotated it about 30 or 40 more times before everything landed back where it was supposed to be. I was then able to focus on the second chain/timing marks. So yeah, a lot of turns is the answer but they will line back up eventually.
This video is outstanding!!!! Thank you for taking the time to explain everything clearly. You made a pain in the ass job a lot easier for me :-)!!!!
Super. Love the video. Excellent explaination
Excellent tutorial! I'll buy your old soul description.
Did you change the oil pump while you had everything off? did you check the oil pan to see if any debris was in oil pick up screen?
Check for any broken or missing components, they will end up in the oil pan. The oil pump seldom fails and is easily replaced.
Mount doesn’t have to be removed.
Makes it a hell of a lot easier and worth it imo
@@bengladhart8477nah it actually doesn’t get in the way at all really.
thats a $3000 + job in a dealership... nice job!
Awesome job, it's good to help your self, I do my own mechanic job on my car too
great demonstration I have to do this in the near future very well presented thanks
Thanks for the comment George. Just make sure that all those timing marks line up. It seems like a complex and intimidating job, but it's really not that bad.
When doing this job, use good quality replacement new parts (e.g.Cloyes or similar). However, the black LH chain guide can be totally disregarded & replaced with a much stronger item as used on racing engines, which is obtainable on-line from 2 suppliers in the US. Their much superior & stronger 6mm dia. guide fixing bolts should also be used throughout. When installing the 2 chain tensioners, prime with oil beforehand, also the VVT sprockets internally. When replacing the valve cover, remove all the OEM 8.8 bolts & replace with 10.9 rated strength bolts or better still 12.9. Use SHELL synthetic 5W-30 Helix Ultra Professional engine oil and change with filter (best being from MANN or Bosch) after 2,000km. Check valve timing chain top (upper) guide after 30,000km for wear. Change valve cover oil filler cap for a new AC Delco FC219 type with blow-off valve incorporated. Job done.
Great video sir i have a question after installing the timing and balance chains when rotating the engine manually there's a spot where it gets a little harder to turn then there's a popping sound not that loud but it seems to be a valve the exhaust is at the 7 o clock postition and and the intake at 2pm at tdc so i doubt there's something mistimed but i may be wrong
Resistance is normal. That resistance you feel is the camshaft lobes opening valves. So long as you have the chain timed properly on those timing marks, you should be good to go.
If you are not confident about the timing, take the chain off and start over.
If you hear a metal on metal sound, or the engine is binding, then that would be a problem.
I understand the two camshaft bolts require replacement. Single use only... Or "torque to yield"... But doesnt this also apply yo the main crankshaft bolt ?
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Oh it will break GMC forgot to add that in the sticker price automatic locks electric windows am/fm cd player and a timing chain that will need replaced at 31k miles and a pvc line that will Clog and blow out your seals
THIS IS AN AWESOME DIY VIDEO...VERY INFORMATIVE AND WASN'T RUSHED! IM MECHANICALLY INCLINED BUT HAVE BEEN DOUBTING MYSELF ABOUT IT.....THIS INSPIRED ME!
If you were already at TDC why would you rotate the crankshaft for the balance chain?
@@funshine3571 If I recall correctly: Camshaft can rotate independently without damage. Try not to rotate the balance shaft sprockets.
Same thing when buying tires .. tire shop quote $1000 for the same tires I got from Walmart $700 and you got to shop around and mean I just want to pay tires and not your electric bill for the month …
Do the v6 models have the same problems .? Are they more reliable.?.. looking at mabe buying one but don’t really want the eco tech model
Surprised you didnt do the water pump while you were right there😵💫 i have to do my wifes terrain. Not looking forward to it. But seems straight forward and easier than doing an audi timing chain. What really threw me off was the timing chain marks not aligned on the oem chain. I dont think it skipped tooth on timing but something definitely strange. In the future if you could call out tool sizes as you use them that would be fantastic. Anyway thanks for posting!
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onatiming belt job i would have replaced that partno matter what , unless it was recently done . but to each their own . thanks for sharing your expertise
Just an fyi change the water pump while ur in there. If ya dont ur an idiot lol
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Well i think at this time fellas i can consider my self as a Mechanic...SIKE! im watching this hoping i can spent like 1500 plus...wish me luck!
When you spun the crank to do the balance chain won’t hit the valves?Great video I’ve done these before and always watch videos just to be sure
great video, I have terrain 2010, is the chain the same? You have 2014
I understand it's a job, and I added replacement of the water pump, which is a good time to do it being the timing component were off.
CAN I REPLACE A 4 cylinder EQUINOX with a V6 ENGINE?
Up next… the cracked exhaust manifold! Lol… that jobs a bear too.
Does anybody know the size of the Allen wrench needed to remove upper guide as seen in the video at 19:44
I do not recall unfortunately. I know it's a larger size. You should be able to purchase a kit and check the plug on the side of the block before you tackle this job.
@@OldSoulMillennial okay because I got a 3/8 Allen wrench that fits the plug but I just wanted to double check if it was the correct size. Thanks man
@@OldSoulMillennial also wanted to ask have you had any other troubles since you replaced the timing chain? My timing chain kit arrives in the mail this weekend and I just wanted to make sure I didn’t overlook anything
@@trollseasoning1012 Zero Issues with the repair. I highly recommend you do the timing chain and balance shaft chain. Stick with OEM. I've read many horror stories of the aftermarket chains breaking. I have links to oem components in the description.
@@OldSoulMillennialif I can’t rotate my crankshaft more than 180 degrees does it mean I have bent valves?
So you can move the crank once you take the timing chain off??? I moved mine clock wise until the timing marks lined up after I already took off the main timing I’m talking about the balance shaft chain
I feel like I messed something up because I rotated the crank clockwise to line up the second chain marks is what I’m basically getting at
Omg U never turn crank with timing chain off he's lucky
He didn't bend valves
I figured it out but nope I got it all good didn’t bend anything and it’s funny u find a question hilarious and yes I can turn the crank without the timing chain on shows how much u kno about a 2.4 ecotec it’s cool tho good thing I figured it out myself
So you can or can’t on this engine
Of course you can turn the stuff, how else are you going to get it to line up, just don't try turning it more than a couple teeth. Just make sure all the marks line up when you are done
Im late to this show. Do you recommend replacing the cam sprockets?
@@tyuiop1736 If it’s worn, yes. Mine was in good condition, so I just reused it.
@OldSoulMillennial by chance do you have a link to buy new ones. Oem or aftermarket you recommend. I would rather spend the extra and not have to worry about it
You got it down that far why not change the water pump
Would have been a good idea, but I cheated out.
I’m about to mine for the second time it only has 60,000 miles but out of gm warranty I didn’t have the timing right it’s off by a tooth I think how u did it will help me get it timed right Ty
This is why you should buy CRV or RAV4, so you don’t have to deal with this lol.
Agreed! Too many problems with GM's
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I guess you have not read or know about the Honda TSB about the rattle on start up. Same problem needs a chain and phaser or camshaft. Not to mention about them burning oil and ruining cat. converters.
As I was watching this, I was asking myself “why didn’t my daughter buy a Toyota?”😂
You will deal with this on a Honda and Toyota too. They aren't immune to timing chain failures at the right mileage.
Great job just used your vid for help thru doin a 2010 equinox 2.4l ecotec
I just replaced the tensioner but didn't tap it to "activate" it. There were so many back and forth comments online with no clear answer on whether it will activate itself or you have to manually activate it. Of course I didn't see this video until the job was done. The car sounds exactly the same as it did before with the quick rattle on startup. I honestly have no idea if it activated or not.
The tensioner must be manually activated. It is possible it deployed, however if you are still getting that rattle, chances are it didn't activate. I would pull the head, and check the timing chain tension.
Did you also replace the balance shaft chain? That was the main rattle noise on this car. If you look through the video, it was hitting the case.
good morning brother good video you helped me fix my wife's car I did everything for this video and I am grateful blessings and happy new year
Working on one now that a dealership wanted to charge the person $3100
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I was going to attempt this myself but, i dont have a garage. Plus i dont trust doing something ive never done. Thank you for this video, if i HAVE to do it myself. This will be the video i watch and if you dont mind ill put your link below!
Thank you bro this is a great video we’ll explain and I’m about to start doing my truck ❤
The best way to replace the timing chain or water pump on these GM models is to sell the vehicle as soon as possible for a loss, just to get away from the pain.
Or just follow this video and do the job yourself for 300 bucks.
I've seen several similar videos,yours has the balance chain replacement included. I wonder why the water pump isn't also replaced when going this far into the job? The only other thing I would add would be assemby lube to the chain and tensioners. I may have a job like this in my near future. Thanks for sharing.
I've done a couple of these jobs I'm not sure why you would be needing assembly Lube for the chain and tensioners.
Anyone know what size that Allen bolt is
10mm
Got same thing going on and just drained oil and it's silver ..... so is that from timing chain eating everything and gear being bad or do I got bigger issues?
Doesn't sound good
My terrain needs this at only 120,000 and I’m debating if it’s even worth fixing
Do you have tools? Do it yourself. Or expect to pay 1500-3000
Thank you
Is this fhe same sequence as the chevy 2013 equinox?
My 2012 Equinox is burning oil. Can I put semi-synthetic in it?
They all burn oil. Check it every week or two.
I use full synthetic. You can use semi as long as it complies with the owners manual requirements
This video helped me tremendously. Thanks a lot.
Thank you so much for a really helpful video
If your one tooth off with that bend a valve or valves on this motor
If this is a question, this is an interference motor. Meaning if the timing chain isn’t perfectly timed, it is very likely that valve damage will occur.
@@OldSoulMillennial yes sir ty, it should had said will that bend a valve if it’s only one tooth off. Got a family member who thought he was a mechanic
Why does it matter to "time" the balance chain if all it does is spin the water pump?
The balance shaft chain does more than drive the water pump, it also drives the intake and exhaust balance shafts. The intake and exhaust balance shafts must be properly timed with the crank shaft.
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You are awesome thank you am about do my first time
I have a question you first set it up the black mark was perfect inside the Groove then when you turned it 3 full times it was one link off that Groove at 35:30 into the video so it was like it was before you started the job. Why is that? Is that ok?
This is normal. I’ve learned that the engine does this intentionally to ensure that the chain and sprockets wear evenly. The chain will not line up with its respective marks every rotation. As long as you are 100% sure that when you installed the chain all the marks lined up properly, you should be good to go.
@@OldSoulMillennial ok thank you
Did you forget to use 'clear flood mode' to prime the engine before start-up?
All those lifters, bearings, etc. needed pre-lube.
CFM should be used if vehicle isn't used for several days or so, regardless of new chains, etc.
Please inform us on how to activate this "Clear flood mode"
CFM can be accomplished by holding your foot to the floor while cranking but this is totally unnecessary all the other components he's referencing to you did not touch there is still residue oil left over on them. In clear flood mode would not give you enough oil pressure and distribution to lube all them Parts anyways
Ні. thank you for video.
I am considering GMC Terrain 2.4 as my next car. 90% of cars with mileage of 140-180 thousand kilometers. Now I understand that cars up to 200 thousand have a native timing chain. What to do when buying such a car? Immediately replace this spare part? Should I wait for the absence of symptoms? And how much does such work cost from a professional mechanic? In general, I am surprised that there is a chain in the engine of a modern car like in my bicycle.
I would avoid the GMC Terrain 2.4 if possible. The 2.4 likes to burn oil, and thus, the pcv system gets clogged regularly. I believe the oil consumption is due to crummy piston rings (causing excessive blow by).
Subscribers have reported that a replacement timing chain may cost between 1400-3400 USD depending on the mechanic. Also depends if you replace the balance shaft chain. Both chains should be replaced every 100-120 Thousand miles.
In short, unless you are mechanically inclined and intend to do your own repairs and maintenance, A used high mileage 2.4 Terrain will likely be problematic and expensive to maintain.
@@OldSoulMillennial Thanks ❤️
@@OldSoulMillennial Agree with all that you said. I have a 2011 Chevy Equinox that uses lots of oil, clogged pcv system blew out rear main seal, and has ruined the cat because of all the oil blow-by, cracked exhaust manifold, etc. So yes, I would advise avoiding that 2.4L engine like the plague.
This video helps me a lot especially dealing with professional who fixes Jones like this
What if I️ dont have a power tool and my pulley keeps rotating?
Put a bolt in the balancer
Is the wheel on the crank for the balance chain going to be facing straight down too
Wondering as every kit including yours has a timing gear oiler. I didn’t see anything in this video, what do you use this for or does it get placed somewhere not shown in the video? Thanks again for the video as this is very helpful.
Great question. I did replace the oiler, but I forgot to video the replacement. I believe its bolt off, bolt on. You can't miss it once you disassemble everything. Very simple.
I believe its purpose is to direct engine oil directly on the chain. Really, it's just like an oil guide chute.
Why you did not disconnect the battery in the first place?
Its not cheap , my father in law paid $1900
My gf was quoted 2700 from the GM dealership. I laughed when I heard it.
That’s a 10 mm also for the plug
My car is Saturn. Ion. 2006. 2.2 engine
Subscribed off of this video alone. Please do more car videos like this.
Great job,congrats
OSM, thank you so much! I can't imagine doing this repair AND filming it, bravo. My Terrain runs like it's brand new now! For more novice DIY'ers (like me), this took me about 15 hours and I went slowly and carefully, some tips for folks like me:
-you will need an impact driver to remove the crankshaft pulley bolt (I also needed a handheld propane torch from Home Depot to heat up this bolt for 2 minutes, finally broke free).
-I also recommend removing the engine mount with support under oil pan, it just made it so much easier to access everything, as it's pretty tight.
-Also, how to “find the top dead center of cylinder #1” found at 18:15 here: ( ruclips.net/video/OzzqmPmZxnc/видео.htmlfeature=shared ).
-I used Dorman part 917-954 special bolt to replace the guide bolt + 10 mm Hex cover (it replaces both)
-Lastly, I found putting the alternator belt back on the tensioner as one of the more difficult parts of this actually! You have to put it around all the other pulleys first and slip it on the smooth tensioner wheel last (while extending the tensioner).
Thanks again OSM, a life saver, good luck to everyone else.
Is this the same as a 2010 Equinox?
Thank you
No idea.
Exelente explicación gracias saludos