Hi friends! I’ve noticed that some people have misunderstood the point of this video, and I want to make sure that I am communicating clearly. I am not advocating for all forms of corporal punishment, especially not extreme forms of corporal punishment like hitting a child. In modern times, the definition of corporal punishment has been broadened to include things like writing lines, walking laps at recess and community service. In the past, corporal punishment primarily referred to paddling which is not at all what I am advocating for. I would not be comfortable paddling another person’s child, and if I had kids, I would not be comfortable having a teacher paddle my child. With that said, I do think it is important for kids to have consequences, and I believe that they need to be unpleasant enough to be a deterrent. My theory is that the pendulum has swung from too much discipline and extreme zero tolerance policies to almost no discipline, and that is why so many schools are having out of control behavior problems. I’m not opposed to all modern discipline philosophies like Love and Logic and Positive Discipline, because that method does work for some students. However, they don’t work for all students and maybe not even most students. Some students will only follow rules in order to avoid negative consequences, and it is the same with adults. A lighthearted example is speeding! How many people do you know who will obey all speed limits at all times as a matter of principle? I’d guess maybe 10% or less. How many people do you know who don’t care about speeding even if a police officer is right there? Maybe 10% or less. The rest of us are somewhere in between always following the law and being willing to break the law, and most of that depends on how likely we believe we are to get a speeding ticket. However 95% of the time when people see a cop they slow down because a speeding ticket is a deterrent! I believe schools need to have age appropriate consequences to deter students from bad behavior. I mostly taught middle school, so a deterrent could be after school detention, lunch detention or even Saturday detention or ISS, but many schools discouraged those consequences. I also think community service would be great, but of course that is rarely allowed. When I taught 4th and 5th grade, holding kids in for recess or having them walk laps at recess was an effective deterrent, but I was told I couldn’t do that. I also tried having them write lines, but I was told that that was corporal punishment. As you can see, all the consequences that would work were forbidden, and I saw the negative impact of those policies which is what I discuss across this channel. The moral of the story is kids can behave if they are motivated to! When the motivation is positive and intrinsic that is wonderful! Understandably, sometimes kids need external motivation like rewards, and I am fine with that too. Realistically many kids (especially today) lack internal motivation and aren't moved by external rewards, and they actually need consequences that are unpleasant enough to be a deterrent. Having those consequences doesn't mean that we stop talking to them or working with them, but for many people just knowing that there might be a negative consequence is enough to make them think twice and follow the rules.
@@kris78787 Hi Chris! I believe there is a big difference between the discipline that a school administers and the discipline that parents administer. For example, as a public school teacher, it wouldn’t be my place to ground a student and take away their cell phone/tv for a week because that is in their parent’s domain. In the same way, I don’t think it is my place to paddle someone else’s kid, and if I had kids I wouldn’t want a person I barely know to paddle my kids either. I would expect the teacher to give out school-appropriate consequences, and I would give appropriate consequences at home in line with my convictions and beliefs. My only point in this video is that schools have gotten rid of most consequences that would be deterrents, and all too often parents are not even disciplining kids at home, so students feel more empowered to misbehave than ever! I hope that makes sense. I’d love to share additional thoughts, but the comments section isn’t the best place to do it, so please feel free to email me for a more in-depth conversation! 😇
Millienials were pretty bad. The problem is bad behavior feed itself. One bad behavied student will make other behavied student bad. I for writing lines and runing laps. I think hitting kids is not a good idea. Detention is good too. But it started with millienals.
I remember a group of Gr. 4's kept in on a sunny day for misbehaviour. One of them asked if I couldn't just hit them and let them out. Told them with a straight face that we did not hit children. Thought, why would I want to hit you when keeping you in is working so well.
I had a parent get upset with me because her kid claimed she lost her backpack with her homework in it and I told her if she wanted credit she had to redo the assignment and submit it. Her mother claims I should have taken her word for it and still give her credit without her having to complete the assignment. That’s the parents we are dealing with. No accountability for students at all.
99.9% is parenting or lack of parenting!!! Entitled, spoiled parents raise entitled, spoiled kids. "A child left undisciplined brings their mother shame" Proverbs 29:15
It's really a shame and a disservice to children when parents fail to instill in their children responsibility, thus the large sense of entitlement found in our society today.
In a lot of Japanese schools they have the students clean the schools after school, on a rotating schedule. It teaches students to respect their building, and to take care of things they want to keep nice. Not even punishment. I think it's wonderful.
My school in Thailand also have this as well. It started off since first grade. We had to clean blackboard, sweep the floor, mop the floor, throw the trash, etc. It was a lot of fun to do these tasks with friends and learn how to do them properly.
Japanese in general have much more respect for elders and people in positions of power so I'm sure it's very rare for them treat sensei with disrespect. Western culture could take some notes
@@Ikine557 hahaha I agreed...though my school in Thailand has janitor, who will come and actually clean every week on weekend or something like that. First and second graders sweep and mop the floor...you can't totally trust them to have it cleaned. However, my teacher usually came in and taught us how to do it properly and what part we missed. Definitely taught me to be more details and care more about cleaning.
@@Ikine557 Yep! I'm working in an elementary school in suburban Japan right now. Yes, the students "clean" the school everyday. But really, it's not clean lol.
Tough to be a teacher now. As a unified arts teacher at a private school, I had a nice, bright 4th grader who wouldn’t do the quick, easy practice assignment each week (10 minutes). I explained the effort part of the report card and that it is excellent if he does it, needs improvement if he doesn’t, and I gave him a chance to start fresh and do it each week. He didn’t, so he got “needs improvement” that term. Both parents showed up the next day demanding that the principal make me change the grade. She said, “They have 4 kids! Do you know how much they spend in tuition each year??!! Change it!” I said I would not, but she could if she thought that was best for the child. She changed the grade. That afternoon, I emailed her and told her I did not intend to return for the next school year because I could not morally support a policy that grades are based on the parents’ money.
I bet the mother in front of the child did say something along the lines of "how much we pay in tuition" being grounds for special treatment thereby teaching the child what really matters.
As a warehouse manager, I have fired probably 100+ of the “kids” that get rubber stamped through public school (90% of my associates were barely literate). They would try the same behavior on me that they did to their teachers. It costs them, in moments, the best paying job that someone with their skills and knowledge could find. So the behavior that gets permitted in public schools gets passed on to the private sector. And you see it every time you go to a retail store.
@@jefesalseroThen they play the victim to anyone who will listen and are probably coddled by their parents still. I used to know a lady, then in her forties, who behaved like a teenager but she had two kids of her own. They were doomed. Her son was put on a pedestal and beatified into sainthood. Her daughter on the other hand was nothing but a background character because she was older by 7 years. Once her daughter moved out and went in the military, her mother was left to deal with the monster she had created. It was so ironic seeing his mom finally understand that she had raised a nightmare. Of course, she wouldn't take responsibility for it. She was a stay-at-home mom. She barely ever worked, she had a distant husband who paid for the majority of the expenses, so all she had to do was maintain the household and clean, cook, make sure he had a nice home to come home too. She couldn't even do that. She was so completely checked out she would often get her nails done, her hair done, buy cigarettes and booze but she couldn't be bothered to raise their son right. A product of no boundaries, no respect, no sense of impending consequences for his actions, I told her she was setting him up for failure. She didn't want to hear it. Well, when he, as a moody teenager, slapped her behind to the floor when she tried to stop him from leaving, she got to see that I was right. I told her as much when she called me up flipping out. I told her seeing how horrible her son was was one of the reasons why I didn't want kids. She got so mad at me and displaced her anger on me. I told her to tell someone who cared and hung up on her.
This is what I keep trying to impress upon my students. I teach adults at a school primarily for people who aren't that well prepared for college. My students' method of coping with everything...every assignment they don't feel like doing, every detail of the class they don't like, is to send me a detailed description of their personal problems and why they're special for having them, with the expectation that I will give them an extension, give them an automatic A, or somehow pass them even if they don't actually hand in any work. Yet these same students talk about the amazing jobs they're going to get, the amazing example they're going to set for their kids. And I keep telling them....that's not the way to do it. If you get an "amazing" job at all, and you communicate with your supervisor like that, you're going to get fired. Of course, I don't do that directly. If I did that directly, I'd get fired, because I'm supposed to be teaching communication skills for the workplace to these people....while at the same time catering to them when they send inappropriate, manipulative, and entitled messages to someone in a supervisory role.
I was denied recess and forced to write punitive sentences nonstop in Elementary school. I was frequently confined to stand on walls or forced to help clean the lunch room. I was often an impudent shit and deserved it all.
Thank you for being honest and saying you deserved it. I can assure you that your teacher would rather have had you in class enjoying your company than the alternative choice due to behavior 🧡
I hate that we basically trap the well behaved students in dangerous spaces and there is nothing we as teachers can do about it. As adults we have the power to leave any room/situation that we deem unsafe/chaotic. We do not give the children in our care the same sorts of freedom and I can only imagine what their perspective on life and education will be when they make it to adulthood.
Yes I was bullied so bad and it seemed like the teachers never wanted to say anything else other than “settle down”. I got kicked out on purpose in middle school just to escape my then hell.
I got bullied so bad I walked out the door in 9th grade and refused to go back. I spent the next 3 years in a fundamental baptist school that didn't understand how far behind I was. I never did get caught up.
@@fishandgarden4514 so sad 😞 I’m sorry you had to go through that and for no one to do anything about you being behind is a big problem with this system. That’s why bullies should be dealt with immediately because it really does take from learning time.
I am working to give more attention to my well behaved students. I feel so bad when I’ve spent a majority of the day “redirecting” the bad kids and haven’t had a chance to spend with the others.
We need school choice. This will give students a chance to enroll in other institutions that can provide a better education if the current school system fails the student. It's all about the student. The funding should follow the student and not the school district. Competition is a good thing.
Exactly! Now parents go to jail to discipline how they used too. The only person who gets to discipline (physical discomfort) children are the police which can lead to death.
I'm a 20 year teacher, and I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. Schools don't want punitive punishment, yet we live in a punitive society. The world is a cold place, and there will be no dojo points, scholar dollars, or chill zones to save them.
I graduated HS in 2003 and was bullied relentlessly. Instead of holding the bullies accountable they asked me what I did to get bullied and never did a damn thing to the bullies and their parents cried to the school that my parents and I were making their kids look bad. It goes way back to my generation of student in some districts where discipline got soft and the wrong people were being held accountable.
This hurts me because this happened to me back in 2013 I'd constantly get bullied and harassed and they asked me what I did wrong to get bullied like it was my fault or often times implied that I deserved it. I graduated 2018. It's sad that it never changed. I STILL feel like there's something wrong with me and that people hate me!!!
@@lonerevenant0 you 100% live your life feeling like you're in the wrong somehow even if people treat you like shit. A lot of therapy and a great circle around me I'm good to go now but shit it took a long time
I also graduated in 2003 and literally the same thing happened to me. One if my former bullies is actually a state patrol officer now and it makes me sick.
Yeah, I'm a 7th-8th grade teacher in a title 1 middle school. I've had students hit me in the head with a glass bottle and only recive "talk time" with our vice principal before being sent right back into my class. I was told to "re-teach the expecations". Apparently, expecting 14 yearolds to know not physically assult their teacher is too much. "Ohh, they're just kids". Yeah, but in 4 short years we'll be calling them adults and expect them to be accountable for their actions.
Sue the hell outta the parents for letting a criminal in the school. If I was teaching and some kid hit me with something, I'd do everything in my power to leave the whole district and the parents of poorly raised kids homeless with the settlement and not even allowed in homeless shelters. Behave or starve yourself to death..... 😂
Yeah the, "They're just kids." has layers. The violence part ends in first grade. After that, they should know the consequences of attacking people and fussing is no longer a passable punishment. Just like chores by age. Certain behaviors need to be phased out early, and others are given a growing out of it period, with guidance.
I used to hate the "they're just kids" lecture and would flip it right back on them like yeah, they ARE just kids, and they are behaving like criminals in some instances.
Not only do teachers suffer in these pie-in-the sky nondisciplinary systems, good kids suffer and have difficulty learning because of the chaos that accompanies these systems. So glad I retired.
Precisely. I homeschool because my daughter couldn't stand the other children's behaviors. This is absolutely a U. S. problem. The parents are the same and so are the children. Administrations are different.
I’m happy that both of my daughters have graduated from high school. All of their time in school, they both knew how to behave. Times have changed and not for the better in the last few years. It’s time to return to old school-no more candy; no more I Pad; no more rewarding for bad behavior!!! It’s time for paddling to return!! I’m a substitute teacher and have never seen such bad behavior in the past few years and no matter when I send students to the office for discipline issues, they are sent back to the classroom and that’s completely unacceptable. Time for change!!!
This! My children are in a very nice private school and school district and it’s still hard simply because parents don’t want their children to be held accountable for anything. Kids are just wild and the teachers are burnt out the kids are stressed and the kids that are misbehaving aren’t learning how to function long term 😞
I'm a school bus driver and It can be awful sometimes. Our hands are tied when it comes discipline. I have to pull the bus over A LOT! YOU ARE SPEAKING THE TRUTH!!
As a young child I would wear a special vest to keep me on the chair when the bus was moving because I had a problem staying still, extreme reaction, maybe, but it was very effective as I started finding ways to pass the time that were not so disruptive like reading a book
As a kid of the 80s, schools had rules for children who frequently misbehaved on the bus. It's not just an issue of morality but also safety. Kids rarely got kicked off, but the fear of our parents corrected us if this were to happen was enough to keep us out of trouble. I don't think this happens today because it's seen more of a crime to discipline bad behavior than have ones life be in danger because of it.
I'm not a licensed teacher but I work in education and have substituted many times. I recently taught English at 2 public schools in Asia for a year. I had 500 students a week, grades 1, 2, 7, 10, and 11. The schools I was at were low-income schools out in the countryside. They had significantly less resources than some of the worst schools I've worked in the states (95% of the classrooms didn't have access to internet). The education system there has a ton of issues, but during my entire year there the worst behavior I had to deal with were students putting their heads down in class or cussing. But the thing is, they weren't cussing me out. They just thought saying the F word in front of a foreign English teacher was funny. It was literally just the word with no context. Kids are kids no matter where in the world you are, but the massive difference is the value they have in education. Parents treated me with so much respect. Being a teacher was seen as a prestigious career. Back home, I've had 3rd graders toss tables across the room, 1st graders jumping each other, kindergartener lied that I had punched him in the stomach, 5th graders planning "beat downs" at recess. Yet every single one get to enter the classroom as if nothing had happened. Behavior rooms are now the fun rooms with bouncy houses, toys, and games. I have students intentionally act up to get sent out because they know they can skip out on school work and go play with their friends. Yet, I've seen teachers get yelled at and blamed by parents for "failing" their kids. I love working with students but I agree 100% with everything stated here. There are no consequences and these new age ideology do not work. I only experience a fraction of what actual teachers go thru and I'm exhausted.
Rise and fall of empires. People with poor resources probably enjoy the help they get in a very different way than people who already have enough. Adults know this but it can be difficult for a 13-year-old kid to understand that nothing is guaranteed. There might be a day when you live with your own kids and wish that someone would be willing to teach them.
One of the top reasons why kids are rowdy is that they’re allowed to play with the smartphone and video games for example. There is a reason why China has a curfew for their online games and mobile apps for kids under a certain age. Just a thought.
@@samstarba4569 the main issue is that far too many adults in the West DON'T know nothing is guaranteed, and parent their children accordingly. The relative peace and prosperity of the last almost 80 years is unprecedented in many ways, and has led to at least 3 generations of 'summer children' who have generally known good times and allow foolish ideas like the ones well described in this video to take hold. I myself can be described as at least somewhat stunted in adult development, but I am nothing compared to the grown up adolescents that populate mainly America by the millions bringing poorly disciplined children into an already creeky public school system. What we see now is likely nothing compared to what will come the next 20 years if strict guidelines are not laid down and followed. I truly feel for the good teachers out there..
That makes me sick. If I treated a teacher, adult, student etc like that my mom would have killed me..possibly not figuratively speaking. I'm a parent now and if my son treated anyone like that we're going to have a problem.
This is already very deep into the corporate world. As a manager I pulled aside a disruptive employee and politely asked her to be less disruptive. I was later called in to my boss’s office and told to apologize. Our whole society is headed in the wrong direction fast.
I wouldn't want to be an employer these days having to deal with anyone you hire now, and sad to say, i wouldn't recommend being a teacher as a job to anybody (it will destroy you mentally and emotionally if you think you're going to make a difference now).
I was at a Wendy's the other day the girl took my order in the register wasn't logged in so she said. She walks into the back and a manager comes up and says I'll take the employee precedes to walk up on her phone cussing and swearing and the manager didn't do a thing about it I should have just turned around and walked out of there.
I'm so sorry!! My sister is telling me the same thing. She said it's horrible in the class room. She gets called( fat bitch ) every day..she's 60 and I can see she's going to walk out soon...
It doesn’t just happen at schools. I worked at a daycare which catered to babies to fourth graders and I had a fourth grader break my nose which had to be on a splint was bruised was for weeks and my 120 dollar glasses when I told him he couldn’t go on his iPad as it was HW time (the school age kids do homework at the daycare after they are dropped off at the daycare by the bus before play time). He yelled at me and I was trying to deescalate he took his school laptop and swung it hard at my face which broke my nose and my glasses. I had to go to hospital and I was in tears because I couldn’t believe a fourth grader a literal fourth grader broke my nose on purpose for something so trivial. And he was not punished by his parents or my boss. My boss didn’t do a thing and his parents said I made it up and that their son would never do that. My boss gave him extra privileges so he wouldn’t be angry again but he’s just rewarding bad behavior. This kid broke my nose! And I got yelled at because I must have done something to make the kid get angry as I “escalated the situation” dude this kid broke my nose and my glasses and I’m the one in the wrong. Yes he’s a kid, but he needs to know what he did was wrong. My nose is in a splint so it doesn’t heal crooked and my glasses are broken meaning I can’t drive until I get them fixed which is expensive. So I quit I was done.
I know this may not be helpful, but I wonder if there are laws that could protect you and hold the daycare as well as child's parents responsible? I know lawyers cost money, which is why I said it may not be helpful, but I just hate to see someone suffer an injustice and then be gaslit about it. It's bad for you and that child who, according to stats/probabilities, will grow up to be a menace. Sorry for your suffering. Not being dramatic, but this is deeply upsetting to someone's soul. To be physically harmed, then told it didn't happen the way it did, and for the child to be rewarded, that's very disturbing. You lost a job via quitting because of it. I hate to see this!! I am sorry.
The thing is.. the real world will catch up with these brats... because the world will be full of these brats.... kind of self evident....enjoy your world kiddies....I'm nearly out of here. Thank Christ..🤔😂😎🇦🇺👌
Good for you!! I’m so sorry, I’m sure that was hard. That child is going to end up killing somebody and that parent will have to deal with the fallout.
I’m a college student and I’ve noticed that my friends who are education majors are being brainwashed into thinking this kind of behavior is ok because “the kids can’t help it.” It’s disgusting😒
Seeing as children from many cultures don't behave this way, I'd either think the kids can be better, or it's the fact they're Americans that leads them to be douchebags, and not the fact they're kids
And that's one reason why we're looking at a mental health crisis in this country. Research shows pretty reliably that a belief in determinism makes you more depressed and less empathetic. So why the fuck do we encourage it?
I had a kid walk into my classroom 50 min late. I asked her for a late pass. She said that her mother had just dropped her off and she said to me she didn't have one. I told her that she needed to go to the attendance office to get a late pass. At that time, the student whipped out her phone. I heard her saying, "Mom, my teacher won't let in. I could hear yelling, stay right there. I'm turning around. I'll be there. The student turns to me and said to me. I bet you're let me in when my mother gets here. I said to the student. I hope she brings a pass. The mother is still on the phone angrily asking her daughter "what did she say? What did she say?" Her daughter says "she wants me to give her a late pass. I could hear the mom saying, "I told that security officer that I didn't have time to go to no attendance office." I mmediately called the office and explained what was happening. The security officer told me that Mother wanted to walk her daughter to the classroom to explain her she couldn't disrupt the classroom, and that she needed to go to attendance office. The security officer said that apparently the morher left and sent her daughter to classroom without a pass anyway. About 10 min. later, the mother walked in my classroom, yelling about how tired she was of me and all of the stupid school rules. She went on to say while wagging her finger that I need yo leave her dsughter alone and she let her in. My school class looked like they were embarrassed for the student. One of the students apparently knew the mother do, he went ovet to the mother and explained that those wrte the rules and they everybody had to sign for the student handbook. Still, the mother vontinue to curse me out while telling me I was wasting her time and, that I could have just let her in because she was telling the truth. In the eyes of the mother: Never mind the school rules. Never mind, her daughter was a 10th grader and understood the tardiness policy. Never mind, she circumvented the officer after being told she was needed to take her daughter to the attendance office before being allowed in class. Never mind, that she was setting a poor example for her daughter and all of the students that wirnessed her behavior. When my class ended, I gave all of the students except her a snack. About a week later, I was told that the mother had written a formal complaint saying that I discriminated against her daughter. I answered the complaint by saying that it was my hard earned money and, I treated the students that I THOUGHT deservec it. Yes, this is what teachers deal with today. Make that make sense. I know. You can't. Me either.
I got accused this year of sexualizing children because I asked them to flash a heart sign with their hand if they love the activity, yet these same kids can literally call me a POS and get just one day of ISS, which, to be frank, is exactly what they want. This is a "good" school district; I used to work at a very, very bad school district, and even bringing in marijuana to class didn't land them in ISS. This is untenable long-term.
Sorry that happened to you! 🥺 It's so hard being a teacher when people can make up anything to get you in trouble, yet a student can be caught doing something abominable, and nothing happens.
Sorry 😐 this morning, some students were lying to the principal that I told them to "shut the f--- up", but I only yelled for them to shut their mouths after they just constantly continued to misbehave and run around the room and stand up and dance. Then they had the nerve to say that they were going to tell their parents and their mom was going to beat me with a switch and their dad was going to shoot me. Then the same one try to say that he is the teacher and not me. Just like last week, they claimed that I "tried to throw a chair at them", and then got their friends and mom to go along with the lie and tell the principal and superintendent. But at least they aren't coming to my room anymore!
My mother was a fifth grade drop out. I talked her into getting her GED, and then going to college, and then, getting her masters in teaching. She began as a special Ed teacher, did that for 11 years, and then moved to middle school. Dealing with the parents of “normal children” chased her out of the profession in two years.
I am a new teacher who teaches elementary. Kids nowadays are way different than when I was a kid in school. They can only be stimulated by video games/technology and anything else is deemed as boring. If I talk for even 5 minutes I can see them start to lose interest, despite trying to get the students involved in creative ways. The level of disrespect is also pretty bad and students are smart enough to know that teachers don’t really have any options in terms of giving consequences. They are also smart enough to know that there is no accountability. A student can do absolutely none of their work in class knowing that they can’t be failed and will not have to repeat the Grade again. Just some of the things I’ve noticed so far
Second year 6th grade teacher here, and I’ve experienced the same thing! I wasn’t sure if it was just the kids in my district that acted this way, but the fact that this is generally the case for most kids nowadays is very disheartening.
it’s not technology, it’s using it wisely. My nephew uses RUclips to learn about stuff (he watches documentaries). I understand the frustration though that you have to be digitized in some way to encourage learning.
@@alisharo58 I don’t know about that. It really depends on how much screen kids have been allowed before they get to school. Those who have been allowed a lot of screen time tend to be very hard to engage without screens. But there are still some traditional schools that have no or very minimal screen time in class in the primary grades. Eg. The outdoor “forest schools” in Denmark.
My 7 yr old sister has to use technology alongside paper for French homework and then since we don’t have a back yard at our current house she plays on it or her mom’s phone when she’s not using chalk outside this is much different then my little cousins in Arkansas one the same age as her who have very little access to technology who have stricter parents and who are outside majority of the the time
I work as a program specialist at a school that serves preschool up to age 12. We cannot even use the word “time out”. These kids act nuts because they know that they get to leave the classroom. One kids was throwing chairs, he got sent to the office and the director ended up giving him a fidget for him to calm down. OMG HE IS GOING TO KEEP DOING THAT… he hits, throws chairs, book cases and gets rewarded for it. I cannot imagine these kids being our future
Sounds like you are talking about my kids' school! The students in my son's FIRST GRADE class had to evacuate the classroom several times because a student got angry and began throwing books and other items and turning over desks. The child was allowed to throw things until he calmed down, with no consequences. There was a boy in my daughter's 3rd grade class who was given candy and trinkets from the treasure chest, got to choose many of the fun classroom activities, and choose whether he did the assignment or not. All to appease him in attempts to prevent his fits of rage, in which he often threw books and other items, knocked over shelves, turned over desks, etc. Once a pencil that he threw hit my daughter about a fourth of an inch from her eye, and another time, the corner of a textbook that he threw hit her in the temple. I took my kids out of the school.
School Nurse here again. Parents: your kids know how to get out of class. Your little Angel knows that they will get to color and a snack instead of doing math. They know that you will call and yell at the staff. Do your parenting. I did. I raised four girls. The school educated them. They are respectful, educated women that I am proud of🧡
I'm a school nurse too and the domino effect is at work as well. One kid acts out, and gets to sit in the conference room all day on their Chromebook. Others see this and copy their behavior to acheive the same thing. There was a mass exodus of teachers last year due to student and parent behaviors post pandemic. I expect even more this year.
School Nurse here too. I've seen kids get in trouble in class and run to the clinic because they're "not feeling well" or "threw up" and 5 minutes later administration is right there waiting for the student. Or the FF will come almost every day "not feeling well" ten minutes later, another kid from the same class is not feeling well either!
How about... Sending these unruly, aggressive students back to their parents, notifying them that. Their child is not to return until the PARENTS make arrangement with whatever social service, and/or mental health intervention has been completed. Schools are just not prepared to do all the intense chronic therapeutic treatment needed. Leave corporal ways to address bad behaviors to the parents or juvenile judicial agencies. Just hold parents 💯 percent accountable for their kids' behavior, perhaps Alternative 'school' facilities, staffed by social workers, child mental health psychologists, Full-time - Pus supported by and supervised juvenile law enforcement personnel. Those jobs are what our Regular teachers are being burdened with daily, instead of providing basic education. The good, well behaved kids are missing so much because of the disruptive and dangerous students allowed to destroy educational environments Nationwide 😢😮
Bring parenting back to the classroom! I was going to switch over to teaching, started my Masters, was doing student teaching and working PT In a classroom. The one thing I hear is "Not my kid," from friends, as I worked at the school within my neighborhood. I was at a picnic with several people who had kids in that school and I lost my mind, after they all said it's not their perfect kid. One of these women was a good friend and her 4 children are all nightmares. I said Yes YES IT IS your kid and you just don't want to parent! Parents needs a major wake up call. Let's just say I didn't get dessert.
When my son was in 6th or 7th grade he thought he'd act up...I sat in his classes for an entire week, immediately behind him, and popped him on his head with the eraser of my brand-new #2 if he even looked sideways funny! Granted, this was a more than decade ago...probably couldn't do that anymore huh.
I’ll be 49 in 8 weeks, I just started working as a security guard in a middle school in January. I am absolutely STUNNED at what I have seen in 24 weeks. Everything you just said is 100% true, especially about the bad kids going to the Principal and coming back with a snack. God help this country.
Wow, In LATAM if you get to the principal, or you did exelence or you are on a death sentence Your education need to take the punishments more seriously, like, they must make the agressors life harder, not tell them what they did wrong
In my day, if a kid was sent to the principal, he was coming back to class teary-eyed with a hot butt. Such is the result of a meeting with the "board" of education.
Kids need boundaries but if they're really young and acting out and their parents are poor they could just be hungry and need food so a snack makes sense.
@@jasmines.6325 if parents would stop selling food stamps for drugs and alcohol money, then we wouldnt need to feed them!! I ddo feel very sorry for young kids today tho!!
Currently 18 years old, I go to a public school and I’m a senior. My school has around 2,000 students and is in NJ, relatively close to NYC. I agree with you. I have been failed by this lenient education system, along with copious amounts of reinforcing negative behavior, and it is truly a problem. I am currently learning self-discipline because it is truly something that I lack, and many of my peers are in similar situations. I feel for today’s sane and rational teachers, who truly want to just educate the next generation, and have a passion for teaching, because the system is slowly becoming more and more unsustainable and unbearable. My heart goes out to you guys, and the few teachers I’ve met in my high school and before who truly wanted to teach.
Good for you stay on the straight and narrow and keep focused your teachers can only do what they can but never stray. My young friend the education system has been in disrepair for a long time but perseverance ok.
That's good for you to realize, but as a parent, I would consider any inability you have to be disciplined to be something your folks can help with. Is there a reason your parents can't impart anything?
@@stoheha I understand where you’re coming from, but I specifically did not mention my parents because they are not a part of the problem. My parents are not considered strict, but many of my peers with helicopter parents turn out with less self discipline than me, I really don’t think my parents are to blame though, would rather not go into as to why because it’s rather personal, but I appreciate your concern.
I was born in 88, started 1st grade in 1995, the yearI turned 7 (I'm Norwegian). Our teacher (primary school) was a STRICT disciplinarian. She would not hesitate to kick you out of the classroom if you were disruptive, or tear you a new @sshole (verbally with her thunderous voice, which was impressive given that she was a petite lady). We all referred to her as "Miss", never by her personal name, If I run into her in the street these days, I still refer to her as "Miss". She was also incredibly caring, where I grew up (suburbs), we were a fairly tight knit community, we were about 25-28 in class, most of us knew each other from pre-school & kindergarten, many were also neighbors with each other as well. Our teacher always made sure to squash any beefs we might have had with each other, and if necessary call for a parent-teacher meeting to sort things out, so that beefs didn't disrupt our teaching-learning environment. Some times, we moaned about her being so strict, but I've never heard a SINGLE PERSON complain about her after graduating from primary school, NONE whatsoever. We all love her, and appreciate the fact that she was so strict during those formative years. I haven't heard of anyone who had her as their primary teacher, drop out of secondary and/or high-school. Everyone from my primary school class today are level-headed individuals thanks to their parents and the great teacher(s) that we had growing up. Discipline is goood. ALWAYS. Thank you, Miss B. Seglem, I'll never forget you (she's not dead!).
It’s makes so much simple sense……😒. We’re in trouble I believe👎. Here, the kids rule the school at times. I talked with my buddy from Japan recently and I was surprised that it is similar there now. Not all schools/kids. But it be be “disciplined” EVERYWHERE!
True discipline comes from within. That is why today's kids can't be tamed. They have more discipline than the teachers the drive to the point of quitting.
I attempted a career change into K12 teaching, and earned my single subject credential because I care about kids, and was hoping to make a positive difference in their lives. After three years of earning my credential and sweating it out as a long term sub until I could get a permanent position, I realized that my efforts were futile. During the 2021-22 school year, I reached my limit with the bad behavior and disrespect and returned to state civil service. These kids will be in the workforce soon, and they are in for a rude awakening when they find out that an employer will not tolerate the kind of behavior they got away with during school. Generally, workplaces don't have PBIS or "restorative circles," and the current lack-of-effective-discipline practices in schools are setting kids up for failure and condemning them to a lifetime of unemployment.
I actually think that is the point - creating failures who are dependent upon the state. How else can you guarantee the success of your continued political corruption but through the raising and support of voters who cannot read, cannot think critically, and are, at their core, so antisocial they don't vote anyway. It is heartbreaking.
@kalicanterbury8085 Good point. I just read a post by David Hoffman here on RUclips that showed a DOE survey showed that 54% of American adults read below 6th grade level.
@@reneedennis2011 I watched a report on Black Conservative Perspective spotlig8thgn how 23 Baltimore schools don't have ONE student that can read or do math at grade level. Half in high school, the rest in elementary school... 23 schools don't have one student that can read or do math at grade level...23...damn...
My mom taught for 40 years. She's in her mid 60s now. She stopped teaching for medical reasons in 2009. As I got older and watched her teach year after year, groups of kids in 6th grade... I watched kids get worse. In the early 90s of her teaching and late 80s, even in the early 80s, she saw more respectful kids. She loved her early groups of kids. I chaperoned her summer school and in session school kids in one instance in 2007 or 2008. They were AWFUL. I was shocked to see them talk back, and disrespect my mom. I know for sure they definitely ran her down emotionally towards the end of her teaching career. She loved teaching for the sake of enriching students, fostering and nurturing kids. But after a while, it became too much for her to handle. The parents have no morals these days, or ethics. It shows through their kids. As a mid 80s Millennial, I wasn't raised like the self centered, selfish and entitled children we see in the viral videos on TikTok. They're out of control. Personally speaking, I'd be destroyed if I ever raised my voice to any authority figures in school. My mother was a pivotal and very involved person in my schooling. She had direct lines to all my teachers. Always. I think that is at the core one of many issues going on currently. I also have a friend who quit teaching, subbing, because the kids were awful. They made her cry. She ended up bartending.
Bad students are the product of bad parenting and tying the teacher's hands. I honestly don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher today. I will never forget the one and only time I got paddled in school. 4th grade. I mouthed off to the teacher. Principal was required to call my parents and get permission to whack me. They got it alright. Then I got it again when I got home and grounded for like two weeks. Last time I ever mouthed off to a teacher. Above all else children need firm, steady, and regular discipline or they turn out to be the entitled, narcissistic little monsters we have now.
@manny022 They'll have plenty of people, just not their teachers. The ranks of nonteacher "support staff" swell every year. At the school I work at, they're chock full of young progressive people who look forward to keeping "their kids' " secrets from the mean, bigoted parents...
How can kids who have nothing and who keep going down a wrong path make you cry? They’ll just learn the hard way if they don’t change their ways. All a teacher can do is their best.
This video is exactly what I have been talking about with my Mum (a former teacher). My daughter got out of line towards one of her classmates and instead of the teacher handing out discipline to my child, she phoned me and said that she spoke to her to understand why she acted like that. Ok, I said, then I asked her what measures were put into place in order to make sure that my daughter didn't act this way in class again and she said nothing. I was flabbergasted, I of course disciplined my child when she she came home from school, but was left in total disbelief that the school essentially didn't do anything to instantly correct my daughter. Kids need consistency and I expect the school to at least somewhat match my level of discipline. The next day I actually rang the school to get them to place my daughter in after school detention for the week. It's like the teachers are scared of the bratty parents AND their children. I'm strict but fair and my children know that if they step out of line myself, husband and wider family will be on their case, it takes a village.
To be fair, consistent school discipline is actually written into the Nebraska code of educational standards of practice within the Nebraska constitution. But, if administrators don't care what the law says, who is going to do anything? The teacher? Ha! And that my friend is the problem! You can build a system, but if everyone is so undisciplined/corrupt from top to bottom, none of the laws matter.
Contacting the parent is holding the student accountable in a way. It's a parent's job to discipline their child, not the classroom teacher's. I'm trying to teach 30 other students science, not how to behave in a classroom. Also, what power do I have? Silent lunch? I cannot take away a cellphone or ground your child. I had a student be very disrespectful and I called home immediately during my planning and she was like, "Yes, you need to hold him accountable." I wanted to respond, "Yes! That is why I am calling you!"
@@kellymcgee4989 If a kid brought a knife, you would be able to take it away. You should be able to take away a cellphone for the same reason. Children are not entitled to disrupt a class or play on a phone all day.
My mom used to be an assistant preschool teacher. One of her kids was constantly violent towards other kids and the parents had been told multiple times but they were the type to believe their child was perfect and didn’t seem to care that their son was hurting other kids. One day the kid tackled another kid and was hitting them and my mom pulled him off and held him by the arm so he couldn’t attack the other kid. Well that kid went home and cried to his parents that she grabbed his arm and the school sided with the parents and fired my mom 🤦♀️ even tho she had worked there for over 10 years and all the other teachers, parents, and kids loved her. Also to note, I have never seen my mom angry. She never hit me or even yelled at me EVER! She was known for being the most patient and kind teacher but she got fired for not letting this kid beat up another kid
I experienced a similar situation, except that I was standing up for another teacher who was not wrong for simply doing her job. We both were let go.....smh! But I don't regret it because we must be strong enough to speak up for the truth. Many times the students are wrong.....period!
You hear these stories over and over, so the question is how do such incompetent and spineless people always seem to get to the admin positions? You watch any of these why I quit vids and lack of admin support is what you hear over and over. It's as if there is a selection process that weeds out any responsible administrators and only promotes the weak ones.
mello4678: Real talk -- the parents were scared of that child too. He shows his ass at home just like he does at school. Sadly, what they did to your mother will be long forgotten by the time the parents run out of appeasement tactics and the boy completely turns on them.
As an immigrant teacher, what surprised me with the educational system here (public) is that over-emphasis on relationship is reversed. In America a good relationship leads to success, from where I am success builds relationship. I adapt these philosophy in my classroom and not to brag, I’ve never had any behavioral issues in my classroom. I have set that tone that in order for me to build relationship with my students they have to perform and prove themselves. Even my inclusion classes have performed greatly because they know I will not pamper them nor tolerate bad behavior. I also require my students to send an email to both me and their parents explaining why them missed deadlines. I will not grade their late assignments until their parent replies- lo and behold- zero late work.
You are fortunate you have an administration and school system that backs those policies. Our schools are not allowed to have late policies. We have midterm cutoffs and end of quarter cutoffs and students can turn in anything up to those dates. :)
I heard a wealthy hockey mom explain her kids bad behaviour was due to “poor nutrition” and start crying. The next week she’s complaining about the cost of her new tattoo and trip to Mexico
You are right in so many ways. With the shortages, the admin really has little power - teachers need to take their power. BUT there are so many stories of students eventually physically attacking the strong, no-nonsense teacher like yourself.
I am a young teacher and I thought that I am the problem. I was extremely anxious about my behaviour and teaching methods, but after watching your channel, I've realized that there is a huge issue with this new generation. Thank you so much for your explanations, you helped me a lot to understand lots of things.
@@MrVincehalloran I have been teaching high school for 25 years and will retire at 30 years of service...I agree, if I would have started in this current environment, I would not have lasted 5 years! I feel sorry for new teachers entering the profession!
OMG! You are Janine from Abbott Elementary! You thought it was you! Really! Get some balls! Organize with other new teachers! Write a discipline code. Find sensible, parents who discipline their kids to help you! Teachers could run the school if they weren't so worried about being LIKED and kissing the ass of their supervisor. All of you united act like those bad ass kids for one day! (ORGANIZED OF COURSE) where you have contacted the media and hold a press conference! Stop whining and take action!
My favorite Honor's Class teacher from High School, had a nervous breakdown two years after I graduated. I spoke with him and he explained the drugs, the violence, the criminality, the anger, the anti-intellectualism, lack of faith, trust, and friendship... all gone bad.
I am both and I can tell you, the power has shifted from the parents and the teachers to the children. The biggest problem about that is that they (the children) know it. The parents and the teachers will be arguing, and the children are like puppet masters for all of them. They can be very manipulative and sociopathic. We need to do something because they are our future.
This is why I’m homeschooling my children. There’s no way, I’m going to allow the things I’ve instilled in my children to become undone through them seeing adverse behavior going unpunished and overriding my teachings.
I have kind of a long story… My oldest daughter was home with me until she was almost 4. She was well behaved, sweet, followed my directions, never argued, never had tantrums and was reading I independently by time she was 3 1/2. A few months before she turned 4, she began attending Head Start, which was for her to develop her social skills before starting kindergarten. After about half the year, I noticed she was being argumentative, whiny, and she started telling me “No.” I had a conference with her teacher and was told that she never wants to participate in activities or crafts or play with other kids. The teacher told me that they let her sit in the reading corner by herself and she just reads. By then, the damage has been done. When she started kindergarten, the behavior had now become more extreme, but the teacher would just send her to see the principal. This would happen every day. I met with him and said that she likes talking to adults and this is more of a reward than a punishment, and now she’s learned how to get out of the classroom that she doesn’t want to be in. He told me, “I find it hard to believe that it’s that calculated.” I felt wrong punishing her at home for her school behavior that they were not only cultivating, but encouraging. By the next year, she was given and aide, which she loved having and nothing improved. About halfway through her first grade year, the principal told me, privately, that he thinks I was right about her wanting to go to his office. I pulled her out of that school and enrolled her into a cyber charter school. In retrospect, I think her experience promoted Oppositional Defiant Disorder. It has taken me years to undo all the damage they did to my daughter, but she’s almost 11 now and I’m so proud of the growth that she’s made. She’s a straight A student, loves learning, and follows directions wonderfully. In my opinion, the social skills aspect of going to school is a lie, because they aren’t allowEd to socialize anyway. I’m so happy that I found your video and channel. I agree with you on a lot. In my opinion, teachers and parents need to support each other for the sake of childhood development. Plus, if the children are aware of that, it makes it harder to manipulate. It’s the same thing I tell my husband, “You’re always welcome to disagree with me on parenting issues, but not in front of our children. They need to have a vision of you and I being a unified team that is impenetrable. If they see a weakness in our foundation, they will bring a sledgehammer to it and we will crumble.” It sounds dramatic, but I think I made my point. We disagree in private and our reminder word is sledgehammer.
Similar story in my case. My kid is 11 also and it's hard for her to deal with authority. She is autistic and so am I. Her kindergarten teacher needed more experience. It only took 3 months to take her out of public school. Couldn't stand it. So now we do charter public school. Which I wanted to do in the beginning.
sorry, I don’t believe they did any damage to your daughter. Your daughter was well adjusted and had normal coping skills. She’ll be fine in school. Lots of kids aren’t treated well in school but it doesn’t seem to have caused then permanent damage. I do have a feeling lots more was happening to her at home than it wasn’t school and she just was reacting to it in school because for her it probably was safer. Do you also didn’t say that you got your daughter any type of help the whole time she was growing up.
@@divinelotus19 it’s hard for teachers to have to know why t do with so many disorders. Really, children wit disorders need education more geared towards their needs instead of mainstreamed.
I homeschool all my kids now. I won't let my kids turn into that. I see so many pub ed kids go Lord of the Flies. Not mine. My 6 year old would manipulate the crud out of those school people.
It's nice to see a parent that actually pays attention to their kid and acts accordingly. And the socialization aspect of school IS necessary. It's how you learn to deal with other humans face to face. One of the biggest problems with society now the the INTERNET. It's removed face to face skills from the equation for many, many people, especially children. That said, you need to be aware of what they're learning and teach them how to handle that interaction smartly and why some of what they're experiencing isn't acceptable and then a better alternative. They're going to be adults a LOT longer than kids. Your number one job is to prepare them to be adults where they're going to have to deal with other adults who are just overgrown children because their parents failed them.
As a university lecturer, I’d like to thank whoever thought this was a great idea…I’ve had to actually kick students out of class and even had to call the campus police when they refused to leave…this is really new and I’ve heard similar stories from older profs and lecturers
It's going to get worse.The Sub-Reddit "College Rants" is mostly college students complaining about how professors "can't teach" because they don't like the grade they received. If they get a C or D obviously it's not their fault, but the professors.
@@jacobwilliams5271 I mean, yeah that is an issue, but not new from what I've heard. I teach physics, so...yeah, we get a lot of $hit from students. I will say that they seem to be the most consumerist self-proclaim communists I've ever met
@@jacobwilliams5271 I feel like this can be true to an extent, but terrible teachers definitely exist. Of course, these are stories from redditors, so it isn't always easy to verify the real reason they're writing stories in the first place.
@@jacobwilliams5271there are definitely teachers who can't teach. This is coming from someone who was a good student and had to essentially teach themselves some classes in school. The difference between college and hs is that at hs teachers are taught how to teach at least. A lot of college professors are just there for research.
I just have to hang on for 19 more school days. Meanwhile, I am job searching and updating my resume. 13 years is enough. Everything you said is true, 100%
I now work for a non-profit as a housing advocate. You might want to do a search for that in your area. My position is hybrid, all on the phone. I'm safe, I get all the fed. holidays and 4 weeks vacation, personal and flex time, health insurance where a fund pays my deductible, and more. I stop at 4pm and don't take any work home. I still help people but am not disrespected by my organization. I was told I was hired for the transferable skills of communication, writing, planning, organization, follow through, proactive, asking questions, etc.
I have worked at schools that work on the PBIS philosophy. I now work at an inner-city Catholic school that has a behavior support team, yet they will suspend and demerit students when appropriate. Even the great, ancient philosophers mentioned the need for virtue training. It is part of our human condition that we need to **learn** right from wrong. Sometimes that means "corporal punishment." I know what you mean about students with the worse behavior getting rewarded. I witnessed this myself at the worse school I worked at. The kids could call me vulgar names, throw things in class, be cruel to classmates; and they would come back from the office with a toy or candy. This is how you build a society of criminals, not productive citizens.
First Grade teacher here. Well behaved kids are more and more rare. In my experience the best reward for kids is establishing a relationship of leader/student and heaping genuine praise for genuine accomplishments. So many kids haven't been socialized properly. I blame parents on screens 24/7 and online/Covid school closures. You're right, sending kids to the office is no help. They come back with pencils, lollipops, and fun stories.
Yes. This was my experience as well. If a kid was having a tantrum, and knocking books off the shelves, they were often offered puzzle time or stuffed toys up in the office. The other teachers were baffled by this reward system.
@@luckyDancer100 So true. It's also baffling that the admin think PBIS is working! Our school has gotten a platinum level several years in a row mainly because the teachers are just putting up with horrible behavior. There are NO consequences for bad behavior. Often one child will have a melt-down, tip furniture, refuse to get in line, etc. and learning comes to a stop. Then the admin gives us daily blurbs about how we have to get those high stakes test scores up, up, up with all this behavior. We also use Second Step, a boring program where kids are presented with problem behavior via puppets and stories, and we talk about strategies like deep breathing, calming down, asking for help, using your words instead of hitting, etc. The kids with the awful behavior take part and nod their heads in agreement, then continue on with the out-of-control behavior. Lastly, parents have NO IDEA this is going on. For all they know, our classroom runs like a well-oiled machine, with children playing and working happily undisturbed. It's time they knew because they hold the power of change over the school boards of America. Lastly, we are so overloaded with admin telling us every move to make, what to say, and most importantly, checking all those numbers from useless tests to "guide our instruction". All this makes teachers feel overworked, tired, and stupid all at once.
You hit the nail on the head. I'm a 20 year teacher and it's completely disheartening for teachers with today's "no rules" society. You are 100% correct. Admin gives zero support to teachers who hold kids accountable. And as you mentioned it's the teachers who are now in trouble for daring to have rules and classroom management during the day.
It's frightening. I went to a. top teacher university that started as a Normal school/college. Amazing professors - reinforced that we are to set high expectations that students will then strive to reach. Consistent discipline, use 3 to 1 positive to negative (note we could have consequences/punishment aka negative such as detention, etc.). I loved my. career until 2009. I left in 2022 and none of those ideas existed anymore. I used to have 1-2 kids who were a struggle in a class. When I left, it had flipped - 90% were complete thugs. Total (undiagnosed) PTSD from it. I can't even be around middle and high school age (and even early. college age) students now. Sets me off - fight or flight mode instantly. I want nothing but to get away from the area they. are in. Affects me physically. It's like eating a certain food that makes you violently ill, and then you can never eat it again. Teaching at the end created the same response in me. The art room was a dumping ground of defiant, messed up kids and I spent my time redirecting. No teaching or learning exists now. My kids 2000-2008 won art awards - state and national - and the work at the end of my career was elementary level from high school level kids or never submitted.
My mom retired early. She was a teacher for 38 years. Her last 3 years of teaching were horrible. I’m 28. All of my teachers had grey hair. From elementary to high school. We didn’t know their sexual preference or their political views. They were strict asf ! They gave zero excuses and never tolerated bs. But we were naturally respectful and understood authority. I knew my dad would beat my a** if he got a phone call 😂. When I graduated high school in 2013. All of the teachers we had retired. It was sad. PS: I think the problem is kids having kids. Most of the parents are young themselves. They build friendships with their kids.. instead of being a parent. My parents aren’t my friends. They are boomers 67+ so I was raised old school. My husband and I are homeschooling our future kids. Aside from the schools turning into a political playground. The students are out of control. I don’t want our kids hurt or badly influenced.
I had to take my son out of school. Another student broke his tooth with a 3-ring-binder and verbally bullied him. There was no discipline, negative consequences, or acknowledgment about what was happening to my son. A week after my son left, the bully hit another student with a large science book, and got away with that, too. What’s going on in modern education and parenting is ridiculous.
There is nothing I hate more than an abuser, and in hindsight looking back at my recent childhood, especially school bullies. I don't consider myself a disciplinarian by any means - I love a free country, especially when I find them in my imagination - but a select few kids deserve an austere degree of discipline; whatever is necessary that they no longer prey on other children.
As a former school bus driver -- I can say that you are spot on! Many busses have become very dangerous places, because of the troublemakers. There is little to no support for bus driver any more. It is like a ticking timeb***.
They will grow into obnoxious and vile adults with horrible lives if something doesn’t change. It starts in the home but school and general society should also be able to put these brats in their place if they act up in vile ways.
I agree with everything you said. This is my 17th year teaching, and I stayed this year because I didn’t find anything interesting enough to leave (plus my principal asked me to). 1/4 of the school staff left at the end of last year because the kids were so unruly and wild that it was too much. The amount of stress teachers are constantly under for “making everyone happy” is one of the many reasons why teachers are facing burnout. It is expected that teachers face all of the unpleasantness that happens at schools: angry kids, parents, other people’s feelings, mental health, personal problems and lack of accountability without supplying the resources/support for teachers to do so. I once had a training at a former school where the principal discussed child trauma and how to better teach those kids. I asked if teachers were going to get funding/support to help such students, and she simply said, “No.” She expected me teachers to put on a cape and “jump out of the window” to support students when I lack such training 😒😒😒😒. This is one of many reasons why teachers are leaving by the thousands
The irony is, the education system implemented these systems and continue to use them expecting them to eventually stick. Which they won't. Educators coined the term safe space and this is what it gets them, students who are constantly looking for a safe place that can't possibly exist, ever. Then they lash out. I blame parents for forcing you to raise their kids instead of them, and promptly blame the "professionals" who told you what methods to use and that they would work. Teachers are very much stuck in the middle, but also do themselves very few favors in the long run, when you won't tell higher ups that these methods won't work in the first place for fear of losing your jobs, which is understandable.
"Childhood trauma" is the latest excuse for bad behavior. Just let it go! He's got some trauma in his background! Good grief! Take a look at schools in war zones, poor zones, zones with little food in other countries. The children in these schools have experienced nothing but trauma! The respect for teachers in these classrooms is wonderful. This is why rooms can have 50 kids at desks and the teacher is able to still teach and the kids are able to listen and learn. They come to school respecting education and know how valuable it is.
Parents threaten the principal then the principal threatens the teacher. "My son NEVER lies!" Says Mom. I'm a 63 year old retired teacher. I never saw a fight in my NYC high school when I attended in the '70s. Believe it!
Here in England a headmaster told me that a boy had confessed to very poor behaviour and apologised after a discussion in the office. The parents claimed their son was manipulated and threatened by the head into a confession even though the boy told them he hadn't. Groan.
Im currently working at a daycare in Texas and they are trying to implement this system. I will not fully go along with it. The kids that are always behaving well will always get my attention because I was one of those children and I remember how easy it is/was to pass me over. You are in a sense teaching kids there are no consequences to bad behavior that will follow them into adulthood.
It’s not the teacher’s job to discipline the children, it’s the parents. They wouldn’t misbehave in school if they were taught better. (Edit: you do mention that point later in the video) When I was a child, just running in a store would get me in trouble with the employees who would tell me to stop running or leave, my parents would make me apologize and explain to me why the employee was right to do what they did and I should listen to adults. Good luck telling a kid to stop running in a target today. Their mom would eat you alive and come for your job
Yeah nowadays you can’t say anything. Kids screaming in the store? Can’t do anything because the parent will complain and make a scene…and I’ll get “spoken to” about it. That I’m not the kids parents so the kids can do whatever they want….. Sorry but if my kid was running and making a ruckus I’d want somebody to tell them to stop if I’m busy. I don’t get why parents are such Karen’s these days.
Used to be a "joint" ownership of disciplining children. Parents had to do their bit, and appreciated teachers keeping their kids in line in school. Then the following generation came along - and all of a sudden children had more rights than the parents - you couldn't discipline your children at home, and kids started getting more entitled and violent both at home and in schools, with no consequence.
My boss was watching a program on gentle parenting with her husband and daughter. Her husband asked what age is a good age to start gentle parenting and then she looked at her grown daughter who has a job as hospital analyst and said “I think now is a good time to start gentle parenting.” Summary: When they are grown and taking care of themselves 😂
My grandmother was a paraprofessional at an elementary school, and when I was in college, she and her work friends used to tell me all the time, "You should be a teacher." I used to tell them, "No, I shouldn't either." When I hear stories like yours, I FEEL VINDICATED for sticking to my guns and not taking her advice. I just don't have the patience to deal with kids in a school setting.
It less about the kids and more about the parents. I can deal with students being entitled little Sh*ts but when you have to smile and take it from the entitled Sh*t parents who find every excuse under the sun to find fault with everyone and everything except themsleves and their student, thats when it becomes hard to stomach.
i have always said that the parents should be taxed on their misbehaving children. 50 dollars for an F, 100 dollars for a write up, 1000 for a suspension...problem solved...force these crappy parents to raise their kids
😂..Maybe take a test before we decide to have children..sort of like a"driving test...you have to show you understand that there are rules responsibilites and expectations..
School administrators should support the teachers children that break the rules should be removed from the school system no questions cusing threatening teachers should be automatic suspension the 200 billion sent to the Ukraine should be spent on an in school police force with the power to arrest and prosecute students that threaten teachers let the parents figure out how to get there children educated
I have taught for 35+ years and am retiring at the end of the school year. I loved being a teacher, but I 100% agree with everything in this video! I am burnt out and exhausted with student behavior and lack of parental support. We are a "PBIS School" and everything you said about these types of programs is SPOT ON!! I am currently in 3rd grade and I can't tell you the amount of time students don't follow directions, talk/goof off/fiddle with things during lessons, don't put effort into or complete assignments, fight with others, and argue with me during a day's time. We aren't to take away recess and only send to the office if they physically fight. If we do send to office, we have to document it all and contact the parents (IF you can get ahold of them or they don't accuse us of it being our fault for their child's out of control.behavior). It's sad, really...and too much screen time and social media is ruining our children! They can't pay attention, stay on task, and know WAY too much about adult things than they should! Sigh...
Kim, I've just finished 34 years of teaching, mostly in k,1 and I used to LOVE my job because kids thrive with tough love, organization, high expectations, and consequences. Any praise I gave was for true effort, helpfulness, responsibility and kindness. I ran a tight, but pleasant, ship and everyone knew who was in charge. Next year will be my last, even though I could still continue for a couple more years. Teachers have been told THEY are the problem and I won't accept being told I need to rethink my style. Since this isn't fair to the kids, I'm checking out.
I'm a substitute teacher and I once subbed for kindergarten at a PBIS school. When MULTIPLE (4) students were throwing chairs, purposely knocking over tables and shelves, aggressively ripping pages out of books, and trying to stab each other with scissors and pencils, I called the office in a panic thinking I was doing the right thing. Nope. Those 4 students got pulled out one at a time for about 10-15 minutes just to be given toys and candy from the principal. They were dumped back into the class after those 10-15 minutes and same behaviors repeated throughout the day. On top of everything else, the admin and other kindergarten teachers at that school berated me for "not knowing how to keep a group of children under control" and for "punishing" them by raising my voice when those violent behaviors first started.
If my class did that the teacher would scream at us 😳 we once were too naughty our teacher had enough and made us sit in class writing “im sorry ms. (her name)” 100 times and we couldn’t leave school unless we all did it
Stick to your guns warrior! These poor kids are being crippled by their own parents. And yet, 15 years from now, they will blame it on 1) the government, 2) the teachers, or 3) society. NEVER where the responsibility truly lies, which is with the damn PARENTS who CHOSE to bring those children into the world! It’s pathetic!
I was an obnoxious rowdy child, and I remember when the substitute teacher came in, sure we had fun I mean we gave different names and pulled pranks I think one time someone NOT ME locked the sub in the closet lol. But we never did the shit that is being done now.
These are the things that start off a good kid to be a bad kid, if you don't guide them or discipline the kids at that young age their gonna continue doing the same thing. One of the best things about joining JROTC for me was learning how to take accountability, I was one of those annoying kids when i was younger but jrotc has taught me that my actions lead to my results it took a lot of corrective training but eventually i did change. Every kid i mean every kid is always born with good in them just make sure you keep them on the right path.
You nailed this! I’m currently a teacher (elementary) and oh my gosh, What you said about how WE are asked “well, what was said to upset this kid?…what can you do next time to prevent this from happening….etc” Soooooo freakin true! This Empowers kids to feel like WE teachers did something wrong! 🙄 I hope this video goes Viral bc you are so accurate!
Had a historically-and-currently-under-watch violent child removed from class. During my planning period I'm called to AP's office. She says, and I quote, "OK, so now tell me YOUR side of the story." I replied, "No, ma'am." She sputters, shakes her head, and says, "Well I heard his side of the story. I need to know yours to decide what happened." I said, "There is no HIS side of the story. I am the adult. I am twice degreed to do this job. I have 5 endorsements/certifications in good standing. I am highly qualified and objectively effective based on outstanding data. You know his history. You saw the damage. Video shows what happened and video shows all the remaining students exited to the hallway for safety. I'm going back to my class." I left that school before the end of the year. Enough is enough.
@@lijohnyoutube101 What nonsense! So teachers are required to teach reading, writing, math, AND heal trauma? So we are educators, saviors, parents, cops, counselors, social workers, psychiatric practitioners, nurses, nutritionists, ad infinitum? You are out of your liberal mind.
The school and the school district asked you that question because their best interest is to shift all blame onto the teacher to protect themselves. Whatever you said to the student will be looked upon as the wrong question or response. In other words, you will be gaslit into thinking it was your fault. Their goal is to blame YOU regardless if you were wrong or right. Also, isolate the issue, blame you, and leave you by yourself thinking you were wrong. When in fact, you were right. No one wants to be held accountable anymore.
I'm a second year teacher at a pretty rough urban high school, and it's an absolute nightmare out here. A kid who's not even my student came into my classroom and attempted to assault me for a TikTok trend, and when I filled out an office referral, the response was that I should have "set the expectation that he's not allowed in my room." How?? I've never met him! They also keep stacking nonsense on us. We're supposed to patrol hallways, the bathrooms (the kids tore down stall doors, shattered the mirrors, smear poo on the walls, IN HIGH SCHOOL), our classrooms, AND prep for our next class, to prevent the constant fights and drugs that happen. Security won't even come when there is a fight, so we're expected to break it up! I'm a tiny, disabled white female-presenting person. They'd severely mess me up! In addition, we've recently added a "PBIS money" system, where we're expected to give out 1-3 "bucks" EVERY CLASS PERIOD. In addition to teaching, breaking up fights, being constantly cursed at (i have a girl who takes calls in my class, while I'm teaching, and when i tell her to take it in the hall bc it's disruptive, she holds up a finger ☝️ and tells me to "shut up I'm on the phone.") No consequences allowed. I'm Jewish (the only one in the building) and have had kids do n@z¡ salutes and tell me "kanye is right," no consequences, it's their "freedom of speech". No concerns for my safety. And don't even get me started on being openly queer! It's only my second year, I'm from the same generation they are, and I can't imagine doing this for much longer.
I'm so sorry that you are experiencing this! Everything you described sounds like a nightmare! I hope you are able to find a more joyful career path! ❤🙏
I was a teacher for six years and saw the ramifications of the no-discipline policy. It’s sad for our society, and you’re right that the good kids who are just trying to learn and do the right thing often are the ones who suffer. There’s a lack of gratitude in our schools and our society I think. And you’re so right about the state standards being very high-level while meanwhile many kids can barely read or write. There’s a massive disconnect and I’m concerned about the effects going forward in society. One day, these kids will be in the workforce. How’s that going to work when kids have learned they can turn in an assignment three months late?
When I was in high school in the 2010s, we had Friday detentions where we'd have to help the custodians clean the corridors. We'd be kept until 4pm on a Friday. Now, as a teacher myself, I have parents coming to school if I confiscate their child's toy, because they were distracting other kids with it during a test. Everyone is untouchable, except for us educators.
Same story here in Italy, honestly it is scary how society is going to be with those premises... now those kids are beginning to start to work, we had two of them recently: they had a such bad attitude, the quality of their work was so poor and when we made them notice they literally started to cry and go to complain to HR about our "rudeness"... eventually we had to fire them.
I know of a teacher here in Atlanta who was beaten unconscious by a 12 year old student. It has taken her months to get worker’s compensation for physical therapy, and that student is still in the same school, while she is also still working there. It’s horrific. That child should be institutionalized and separated from the general population, let alone the teacher he victimized.
This teacher should go to a mental health professional and be diagnosed for mental trauma and anxiety due to this incident. Her PTSD is worse than the physical injuries in some ways. After the diagnosis, sue the pants off them.
This 👏🏽 kids are out of control, kids run their parents, parents scared of their own kids, parents can’t control their kids so they try to gain control by blaming teachers/other kids/school, & admin is scared of parents. More and more teachers are going to leave. It’s sad.
It’s not that we’re scared, the same system that are telling teachers this ridiculous way of dealing with children are telling parents that we, essentially, can’t say or do anything to our children. I’ve had several calls on me because I discipline my children. Rather you say things to them, take things from them, they’ll find a reason to harass you. Do I care that they call? No, and I have cameras to prove my children aren’t abused (which is ridiculous that I have to have to protect myself from arrest) but parents are basically being told to let children do what they want, when they want, how they want or we risk losing our children to the system… do my kids behave like the ones she speak of, to my knowledge they do not. I get on my kids about everything because “what you WILL NOT DO is embarrass me and your dads parenting or be influenced by a bunch of dumb bums headed nowhere”… But again, apparently that’s mental ab*se and inappropriate to say. Just like teachers give up, we’re parents want to sometimes but can’t.
@@ygfbff198 oh we def appreciate parents who actually take charge and keep their kids accountable. We appreciate the parents who work together with teachers to create a behavior individual plan for their kids in order to be successful. I’m mostly talking about parents who constantly blame everything on the teacher(s) and don’t try to work together to help their kid(s).
It’s utter chaos at my daughters school. I visited for a meeting once and I happened to be leaving as the bell run for them to go to the next class and I was nearly run over and knocked over even hit as I tried to leave. She’s in middle school and from what I’ve seen elementary kids are more orderly than they were. I felt sad that I had to leave my daughter there. So many times she’s come home and said that a lot of students in many classes are acting out and instead of them getting consequences the whole class gets in trouble and loses privileges due to a few students. She says there’s always chaos and only a few teachers are able to control their class rooms. She won’t be returning next year.
I was always taught (same as everyone who reads this.) that you should NEVER let ONE bad apple ruin the bunch. School seems to have it were One bad apple ruins the whole fuckin' orchard.
I've had terrible social and generalized anxiety since I was young and JUST got treated for it. Public school destroyed my spirit, every teacher decided it was a personal problem that I didn't participate in class or that I whispered when I presented. The destruction of a generation is not because we aren't being punished but because the consequences don't match the behavior. Teachers are cold when students have bad behavior, parents refuse to change, admin is silent on student issues and either overcompensates or does nothing, no in between.
Retired School Nurse here. I have seen and experienced everything this awesome lady is describing. She is not exaggerating. When I see comments on social media that says “why don’t they teach that in school?” For example- balancing a check book. Hey- I learned that in accounting in high school in the 70s. I taught my daughter how to do it before she left 19:13
They don't teach it anymore because their focused on teaching false pronouns and also busy catching flying furniture. These kids really have stepped up their crazy and I blame the parents and the behaviorists.
@@bayamonrican No one’s teaching false pronouns….. oy. Schools especially in the elementary levels are literally only focusing on math and literacy nowadays because that’s the only thing the schools test on. The problem is basic accountability on behalf of the students and the fact that parents could care less what their children do in the classroom as long as they have a place to go all day. The concept of caring and accepting a child who doesn’t fit into narrow gender expectations is not even in the top ten issues that teachers would list if you asked them why their jobs are becoming impossible.
The 'your not in trouble' thing does work on nice kids. It gets them to open up and explain things to you but it really doesn't work with bad students at all. They just see it as a free pass to keep on doing what they are doing.
Seems like a lot of kids have no clue why a behavior is not okay in school since the rest of their lives are out of control. Some parents don’t care about common courtesy either.
I took early retirement last summer after 18 years of teaching in the OKC area. The education system is diseased beyond repair. Virtually ZERO consequences for terrible behavior is the #1 problem in our schools. It won't change though. The decision makers are too wedded to their dysfunctional ideas to even begin turning anything around. As the Titanic sinks beneath the waves, they are rearranging the deck chairs. It's beyond tragic.
I'm currently watching this happen in real time at my kids school. They started there 2 years ago and it was amazing!!! Teachers and staff are great, kids are great and respectful...literally how a school operated 20 years ago. At the beginning of this year I started noticing a change...kids are not doing homework now, staff is getting stressed out, teachers are getting yelled at by parents, etc. So since I'm at the school everyday I started paying attention to what the other parents and kids are doing...and what I've found...it's TikTok. Parents are watching videos about how "nothing is your fault...it's society, you don't have to do anything, etc" and so are the kids. It's literally infected and is spreading in the school.
@@JeremiahHartmanPhotography yep. They claim that you’re a conspiracy theorist or don’t know what you’re talking about and all I can think is it’s an observation. So now I just implement such things for our household like NO tik tok. I can’t help the others that don’t want to listen or see
Thank you for your honest, real-world take on PBIS. I got out of elementary teaching in 2017 after 32 years. If I stayed in any longer, I swear I would have died. When PBIS was “the thing”, I knew it didn’t work. The administration touted it like it was a miracle behavior changer. I came up with the true definition of PBIS: Pushing Bullshit In Schools. I shared that with a select few teachers who felt the same way, and we had several laughs about it. You’re so right about the misbehaving students. They got an insane number of rewards! I recall a bus driver giving one chronic misbehaving boy something like 30 “tickets” after one bus ride! He was showing them to everyone in glee. It was crazy! I felt bad for kids who followed the rules because they didn’t get as many tickets. What a waste of time, effort, and paper 🤪.
The administration is always pushing some new technique on teachers. Simple behavioral expectations appropriate for creating a learning environment that are consistently and uniformly applied are all that are needed.
I had a student who threatened to punch me because I was trying to establish boundaries. She would leave the class to go to the bathroom and vape - which was well-known by admin. She expressed the same threat to the principal and the principal said, "I know. If you need to take a break and leave the classroom, that's ok." This is why I'm leaving teaching, as so many of us are. I'm not a fan of corporal punishment, but I am a fan of consequences and accountability. It no longer exists in education and our students have mastered the art of avoidance. It's always the teachers' fault though.
When I went to high school in the 90s they didn’t have corporal punishment but they did make kids do manual labor after school if they got in trouble. I can remember kids having to help pick up trash or clean classrooms. Unfortunately this today would be unheard of because I’m sure it would be considered “abusive” by society. I thought it worked pretty well though because who wants to stay after school and do work? Now kids get away with anything and they have no consequences
@@kris78787 Exactly. We all have out own ideas about what education should do, but a big part of it is preparing kids for the real world. What's going to happen when these kids go to university and they don't know how to behave properly, or expect that they will be given countless opportunities when they neglect to do their work? What's going to happen when these kids enter the workplace and get fired for behavioural issues or unprofessionalism? I don't think there's going to be restorative justice sessions that can help them get out of consequences then, so why do it now?
I’m a first year 5th grade sped teacher. PBIS drives me nuts. I feel like I’m expected to constantly reward my students with behavior issues to incentivize desired behaviors while ignoring those students who do their best every day. Eventually, the well behaved kids are going to start acting out so that they can get attention, too. I had one student who was screaming in the hallway about how he was going to k*ll his classmates and teachers (naming them by name) and that his daddy has a gun he can get to. The student was suspended for 2 days. Nothing else. And evidently, this wasn’t his first time making those threats and he has physically assaulted teachers and classmates before. He wrote out his hit list for the counselor. My name was the first one on his list. After his suspension, I was expected to reward him with dojo points, toys, Chromebook time, and treats whenever he refrained from being violent towards or threatening to be violent towards others. I was in the army. I’m used to being expected to die in the line of duty. I, however, did not expect to have my life threatened while teaching in a small town elementary school. In the army, I at least got compensated fairly with loads of benefits. As a teacher I barely bring home 2500 a month and the only real benefit I have is being treated like shit day in and day out.
That is insanity. My teachers up through 7th grade had big paddles with big holes drilled in the paddle, bc the air flow made it sting more. You acted up, you got your fanny smacked, in front of the entire class. After 7th grade, no paddles, they just called your parents, and that made a front of class paddle seem like a great idea. But parents actually raised kids then, instead of letting cell phones and iPads parent for them. We need a revolution or we will continue to raise a lawless society of future criminals, and many of those will be murderers. It's already happening.
I never finished school but I wanna say this “I started working at 15 and every adult around me that works with me has no discipline and it’s frustrating how I must talk to them to do what I’m hired to do. I’m a career manager and dealing with people that went through the school system means dealing with lazy entitled people.”
Ive found out after spending 10 years in a shit career (car technician) if you don't treat people like their children they stop acting like their children, also you better be damn sure that your willing to do what you ask me. I'm sick of this culture we created where your supposed to ask how high when they tell you jump. Communication is a two way street and "lazy"/"entitled" isn't when you tell you boss to shove when they're being unreasonable.
My wife is an educator with nearly 30 years. I can't wait until she can retire ... the nightmare stories she tells me almost daily, ... I just couldn't do it. We are as a society systematically promoting horrendous behavior, with no consequences whatsoever for committing even the most grievous acts. Can't even be told they should be ashamed for them. And educators deal with this crap daily having to be a teacher/administrator/nurse maid/psychiatrist/surrogate parent/comforter/court reporter/documentation specialist/etc, etc, etc. All the while being held to near impossible standards and work loads. Remember folks .... little hellions, eventually become big ones with far worse consequences. And teachers are forced to deal with them daily. Bless them for what they do.
When parents are in denial that little Johnny would never punch a student in the face and make excuse after excuse…I shake my head and expect a long and difficult road for that family…possibly even leading to a future incarceration. It’s way easier to correct while they are young than when it’s too late and the cuffs go on…and the parent is still blaming that nagging kindergarten teacher.
The decline in student behavior I've seen since being in school in the 90's to now being an educator is truly frightening. Sadly, I don't think there is much educators can do because discipline starts at home, and far too many parents refuse to discipline their children appropriately.
Yes!! When I was growing up, we were disciplined at home, at school, and from neighbors if needed. I never thought about disrespecting a teacher, or any adult for that matter! I am now a contributing citizen with manners. The level of entitlement that kids these days have is sad, but it definitely starts at home. Not to mention that mental health issues in kids these days is so sad. Thank you for posting
Australian primary teacher here. I am done. Last year, I was in tears most afternoons after work. Most of the kids were so rude, entitled, lazy and, I feel, intentionally bullied me. I had never had parents complain before, but got a bunch because I did things like ask their kid to move because they were chatting with their neighbour, confiscated something they should not have had in class, or wrote in their report that their behaviour was not great. All the behaviour management was exactly like what this video described. I begged for help from execs and got promises but nothing else. Then the school didn't renew my contract, essentially firing me. I was going to completely quit teaching, but the job I was going to have got cancelled, so I'm just casual teaching now. Some days still suck, but no planning, no reports and if I don't like a class or school, I don't go back. Fortunately, schools are desperate for casuals so I'm ok, but I don't think there is any power on Earth that could get me to be a contracted teacher again.
Good riddance. The tables have turned and you authoritarian tyrants called “teachers” can’t take what you dished out. All of my good teachers were adored and were expertly able to maintain order in class without acting like Karen’s or psychos. It was the cunts that got bullied. I think you can see where I’m going with this.
I'm done with it too. I'm a teacher's assistant, and we have one kid in our class who deliberately does things as if the adults of the room aren't around or aren't coming back to deal with the mess and confusing he starts. What the real kicker is is that his mother is how most parents became now. "My baby does nothing wrong." In America especially, this statement continually being said as they grow, they will get caught up. They may not be ",doing nothing wrong" as a kid, but when they get in their teens and in adulthood, it isn't going to be easy for it to pass for them. Then you wonder why they end up in the hands of the police, or the ER doctors, or the morticians. But I just hope the parents remembered, "My baby did nothing wrong." when it comes down like this. If you're not teaching right from wrong in the beginning and taking responsibility then it's going to be hard for them to be taught or take responsibility for anything else. And it's going to be harder for the parents to find a way to defend them when they finally get caught in their tracks.
in my high school i was bullied by almost every kid in my year. no one ever got in trouble and they disrupted the lessons, shouted and screamed in lessons, humiliated me and other “weird” kids in lessons. and no one ever got in trouble. ever. it was a horrible environment for anyone to learn in and i just didn’t go to lessons anymore because the screaming and arguments were so overwhelming. and because of my autism i would completely shut down and cry. i taught myself more french, maths, geography, art and science in a little room in student services, than i ever learnt in that horrible environment.
From everything I hear the problem is parents. We don't want to go back to the days where abusive teachers hit kids. They didn't like with sticks, but parents have got into thinking that everyone is supposed to be your child's best friend 🖤💜
Yes! There is a wide difference between paddling and what’s going on now, and I think somewhere in the middle is where we need to be. Consequences that make sense don’t have to be physical punishment or shaming a kid, but they do need to happen. A simple ‘your behaviour is unacceptable and this is the consequence which will be enforced’ discussion is needed, sometimes multiple times-but we do need consequences! I teach music; and one of the rules is of course no playing while I’m talking. Natural consequence? Playing while teacher is talking = instrument going away. Further infractions lead to not being allowed to participate at all in the room or being sent back to the main classroom, where they will be put right back to work on non-fun assignments such as good ol’ math sheets or spelling pages. Etc. We can’t have no consequences but they do not need to be physical.
A lot of the issue is simply poverty unfortunately. Poverty is at its highest in the USA since the Great Depression. And world wide there are more slaves on the planet now than there were in the 1800s, starvation is the highest since the dust bowl and holodomor. Simply put poverty has run rampant and you see the effects everywhere. For a lot of kids they quit because why care when 4 years of college still doesn’t get you a job much higher than Walmart
An Irish friend of my late husband was hit on his hand by a male teacher with a stick. Next class was football practice. The lad didn't know a gash on his hand would become infected. He nearly lost his thumb to blood poisoning by the time his mother realised what was going on. He survived and went on to become a world champion boxer. 😁
As a second year teacher I experienced some series culture shock being back in a classroom after working for over a decade before getting my teacher cert. PBIS was really big in my first school and it resulted in extreme bullying and drugs in the classroom. I had a student refuse to sit in his assigned seat and I sent him out after several outbursts. The principal brought him back and told him in front of all my students that he can pick his own seat. The admin just took my teeth away and I ended up not renewing with that school.
I don’t know how any teachers can stand it now. Kids having tantrums in stores, school, the parks, no discipline whatsoever. When I was in fifth grade, my main bully called our teacher a bitch to her face. She got paddled by the teacher, the principal, and her mother (when she came to the school to get her.) It was a glorious day when I heard about it. 😅
I don’t consider a paddle to the bud or to the wrist every now and then abusive. And as much as I try to make that a rare thing, or avoid that altogether, there’s a certain point where everything else you’re trying to do just isn’t enough and the kids actually do need it. The problem with spanking is that that there are too many parents who don’t understand the line and they don’t have the same line as you. They believe that slapping across the face is parenting too, for example. They The problem with spanking is that there are too many parents who don’t understand the line and they don’t have the same line as you. They believe that slapping across the face is parenting to, for example. They believe that cutting their children, thighs and buttocks area with the branches is parenting as well. Especially black parents. So that’s the reason why I have a time advocating that against spanking. Because even if you try to teach people the line, there’s so many parents that say “who are you to teach me how to parent?“. Or “I parent my kids the way I want to“. so, just do things your way I guess, and call child protective services on people who are clearly going overboard. But I think that that kid got exactly what he deserved in your story. Lol. Maybe three people doing it was too much, but whatever, lol.
Wow, you're really on point with this stuff. I was working in a school nurse's office for the past 3 years (no longer doing that kind of work) I was appalled with just how much kids get away with these days that I would have never been able to pull off back in my days. I used to work alone, man....the nurse's office would be bombarded with kids all day long not wanting to go to class so they'd use the nurse's office as their "get out a jail card." I remember the principal would tell me to let the ones that had gotten very little sleep the night before, I remember him telling me to let them nap for a while. I'd ask the kids why they didn't sleep the night before, some of the students would tell me because they were up playing video games all night, or on their social media all night. Man, what kind of nonsense!! I'd be so frustrated because I believe the nurse's office should be used for what it's intended to be used for.
My middle son who is now 34….was punished as a child in elementary school for reporting to his teacher that another student kicked him in the balls. He was eight years old, and described the incident the best way he could. He was suspended for saying the word, balls. Nothing happened to the kid that kicked him. When I was called, I said perhaps both should be punished, but this was outrageous that my son be suspended for using words an 8 year old would use. Yes, I agree that there should be discipline in school. Especially in elementary school, but it should not become Petty, discipline should be given equally. I worked at ChildTime recently where time out wasn’t even allowed. I was used to the more structured environment of a regular school. These children were worse then animals. Dogs are more obedient. The hardest part of teaching is the Parents……they don’t parent well. They’re too busy with themselves. Good parents are few.
You definitely hit the nail on the head. Kids are not stupid, they know exactly what they are doing. One school I worked in the kids started a fight on a lower floor and the rest realized that no one was upstairs watching. All the security was downstairs and so they started fighting. The next day the discussions ran the gambit from what teachers would get attacked next to what students would start the 'riot' and where. The students quickly realized that they could over power the staff and the numbers were completely on their side. Very scary, but it is coming where highschool riots are a thing.
That’s what I saw at my sons high school. I went to get him for an appt one day & they were spilling out into the hallway, all screaming obscenities & going berserk while many of them towered over the teachers (all the damn hormonal shit in our food causing overgrowth?) & the teachers were looking very helpless & stressed. It was awful. I felt so sorry for everyone. What in the absolute fuck man?
As i get older, i started understanding what my elders always said: "If you don't learn respect at home, you're going to learn it on the streets, and it's always worse". We are teaching kids that everything is going to bend over to their ways if they cry or scream hard enough, a society were being a victim is seem as a virtue becomes a feedback loop of people seeking to victimize themselves ever and ever more to get what they want, that's what i see in both zoomers and the younger millenials.
Im in California and I am 1000% agree with you the so called "Progressive" style of education is actually Regressive. America public schools are a disaster, bad students are getting all the resources and special privilege, while good students are being ignored. It is NOT helping the kids by any mean if they never learn the importance of taking responsibility and the meaning of negative consequences.
Progressive here. There's nothing remotely progressive about the educational policies. Please don't confuse the two. Real progressivism gave us most of our freedoms and benefits.
American public schools are absolutely a complete disaster! When did it change to the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many? One disruptive student controls the classroom, the rest of the students lose educational time and the disruptive student gets rewarded and bad behavior constantly reinforced. What a mess, if parents only knew what's happening in classrooms.
85% of children are not reading or able to math at their grade level. A teacher who focused on mentally disable d students testified they are doing so much better than normal children. We are going to have an evil society next Gen. and those students will be teaching the other Gen. time to get back to basics and go back to a time where things worked
"All of the attention still goes to the most misbehaved kids." EXACTLY! I've been a high school teacher for many years, and I've been noticing this for several years now.
thats because theyre the ones who need it most; the students who are doing the best need the least help because theyre already doing well. the students who are doing poorly need more help and more attention so they can be on the same level as the students who are doing better.
@@ratofthecity6351 That depends on what you're using to measure "well." Some students who are performing really well academically may actually need a lot more support in other ways that they aren't getting because school systems treat children like academic success is all that matters :\
@@ratofthecity6351 and if you had been a high achiever you would recognize the many dangers of that mindset. Just because someone is behaving and doing well academically doesn't mean they don't have problems and need attention. The result is that they either end up also acting out because they notice the favoritism the bad kids get or they end up building an incredible amount of resentment and either start slacking off or have a meltdown later in life. And the bad kids...the attention reinforces their behavior. "Good students/kids" will be ignored both at school and at home because they're "doing fine". Honestly, these terrible students end up growing into terrible partners whose spouses just keep coddling them and making excuses for them because "the bad ones need attention." They end in prison where society thinks they need to be coddled and protected even more than their victims. It's all part of this same nonsense mindset.
I’m forwarding this to our superintendent and all our board members because this is exactly spot on. I substituted for 22 years and not only the abuse that I get but the disheartened teachers I hear from every week and it stems from this BS: everybody feels good and gets a trophy mentality.
You said it all, no exaggerations, just real life truth. The school I taught in this past year lost 26 certified teachers, about a third of the certified staff at the school. The principals never had the teachers’ backs. They were scared to death of parents and their superiors so they caved to whatever parents and kids said. My stories of this year would make jaws drop. Thanks for your comments. I’m sharing this.
They love it when teachers high on the salary scale leave - they can then hire 2 for 1 - and will get a naive, warm body to fill the space. Someone who doesn't know better and thinks they will change the world!
Thank you for this video. I am a first year teacher in the inner city and I got yelled at for raising my voice at a student who jumped a boy 3 years younger than him and twice his size. His punishment was one day ISS and the other boy received a trip to the hospital. We are setting these kids up to fail without consequences!
i could not agree more, as a senior in high school it’s incredible how little respect some of these kids have for the teacher and what they say about them is insane. community service i think would be the best punishment, not aggressive or hurtful or anything at all and actually has a benefit
That would work if the kids will actually do it. My old high school did that and when the kids were punished with community service, they would come up with some lame excuse and be let off....
I am in my 60s and had undiagnosed learning difficulties due to being 2.5 months premature and having physical health issues as well. I was extremely underweight. From the beginning of kindergarten until the first week of high school I was very bullied. I will never forget the day in my first week of high school when I was being bullied and a grade 13 male 0:03 “student stopped in the hallway and told those bullying me. “ This is high school, you don’t do that here. “ I don’t think I got bullied in school again afterwards.
As a parent, I'll tell you what the problem is. It's other parents. I had a kid when I was 16. A JUNIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL! My son is going into high school next year and has been accepted to the #1 school in the state. As someone who had to work full time to support my son while finishing school, my kid should probably be one of the most neglected and worst behaved children. Yet, he's thriving. His teachers praise his behavior and academics. While I will agree that there are some people that are wired in a way that will prevent them from ever being well behaved, I believe the majority of kids act the way they do because parents forget that they are supposed to give a shit. That's all it takes. Just give a shit. Make sure your kids know you love them. Make sure your kids know you're paying attention to their school work. And make sure your kids know that they will be punished for messing up. That's all it takes for kids to act decent.
What is a punishment though? Whenever I mess up (which is not often because I'm one of those rare kids who have common sense) like not turning one assignment in or getting a bad grade they just tell me to do better and that's all. I know my responsibilities I just forget that I have them because my memory is not good. The only reason I get away with it is because everyone in my environment knows I'm a good student who behaved well, treats most teacher like another friend and turns everything in the next day or the next class. I love most of my teachers and treat them with the respect they deserve just for being a higher authority, the only time I snapped back at a teacher was because I wasn't emotionally stable because I had a lot of shit going on at the moment 😞.
@@joshuepico75 When my son forgets to do assignments, I make him do them on the weekend. Even if they don't count for his grade he needs to learn that he can't escape responsibility by ignoring it. The fact that he doesn't get to have fun with his friends on the weekends seems to be punishment enough for him to turn in most of his assignments. But you have to start when they're really little. Teach them to have manners and to be respectful from the time they're children. If you make sure they grow up respectful, you'll have few problems with them when they get older.
@@darkdudironaji Yeah, that's what my parents did, but the ones forcing me to do my assignments when I forget aren't my parents, I do it myself and ask the teacher if I could deliver it by next class and I HAVE to deliver on my word because if I don't they won't trust that I will. Also if I wanna be a competent adult when I get out of high school I should know not to rely on my parents and accept my responsibilities and its consecuences if I don't deliver 😊
Idk, I got stuck in a spiral of constantly messing up when I was a kid and was never able to figure out what mistakes I was making because I was constantly getting punished for every little thing. My grades suffered terribly because this treatment created serious anger and self-esteem issues. It wasn't until I got kicked out of home at 18 and gained a little freedom that I finally learned the importance of real-world actions and their consequences. Point, don't be _too_ eager to punish. A bit of positive reinforcement can *really* drive a person forward.
Hi, eighth grader here. I have to admit, the comment on how worse behaved students are rewarded more is so true. I was a really well-behaved student all throughout my elementary years, but in seventh grade I started noticing how the worse kids got more prizes, were noticed more, and had closer relationships with staff. Likewise, I'm ashamed of it because it caused me to act up more, talk louder, and interrupt class. Well, I got what I wanted. Gladly, I realized how wrong it was for me to do those things and stopped after one or two months because I could see how hurt my favorite teachers would get and would award me just for me to stop. The awarding the worst kids unfortunately still goes true, sadly I cannot help my teachers much.
Don't worry about these small gifts. When you are 30 you will have a good job and have things you want (not all) and those kids will will be in jail, homeless, unemployed, etc.
Hey. I’m a sophomore. I wholeheartedly agree with what you’re saying. Don’t fall into the bad crowds of school and stick to your heart. You’re already on the right path of responsibility.
@@mdarrenuyes sir very true I was always put down because of my learning disability in school but just as recently I've learned that most kids I went to school with are either homeless or unemployed like you said while I'm still college pursuing my degree...
After 17 years, I quit last month with no regrets. I have moved on to a non-teaching position at a university. I refuse to deal with disrespectful children and parents, and passing students who are not there to learn because it “looks bad” if they don’t. I’m at peace!
First of all, thank you! I’ve worked at a daycare and I had to quit. These kids were manipulative and misbehaved. I decided to change my major because there’s no way in hell I’ve make it as teacher!! I salute you 🫡
I'm sorry you had to make the decision not to pursue teaching. It really is a joy when the kids love to learn and are excited about school. Sadly, the teachers of today are doing very little teaching and a whole lot of re-directing, de-escalating, guiding children BACK to their seat , basically PARENTING them on how to behave properly and appropriately! ANd this is not always just that "one" kid...there are about a dozen major behavior issue kids in one class. I'm so ready for the 2022-23 school year to be OVER!!! I hope school officials make drastic changes in discipline policies next school year. But they probably won't. =(
Hi friends! I’ve noticed that some people have misunderstood the point of this video, and I want to make sure that I am communicating clearly. I am not advocating for all forms of corporal punishment, especially not extreme forms of corporal punishment like hitting a child. In modern times, the definition of corporal punishment has been broadened to include things like writing lines, walking laps at recess and community service.
In the past, corporal punishment primarily referred to paddling which is not at all what I am advocating for. I would not be comfortable paddling another person’s child, and if I had kids, I would not be comfortable having a teacher paddle my child. With that said, I do think it is important for kids to have consequences, and I believe that they need to be unpleasant enough to be a deterrent.
My theory is that the pendulum has swung from too much discipline and extreme zero tolerance policies to almost no discipline, and that is why so many schools are having out of control behavior problems. I’m not opposed to all modern discipline philosophies like Love and Logic and Positive Discipline, because that method does work for some students. However, they don’t work for all students and maybe not even most students. Some students will only follow rules in order to avoid negative consequences, and it is the same with adults.
A lighthearted example is speeding! How many people do you know who will obey all speed limits at all times as a matter of principle? I’d guess maybe 10% or less. How many people do you know who don’t care about speeding even if a police officer is right there? Maybe 10% or less. The rest of us are somewhere in between always following the law and being willing to break the law, and most of that depends on how likely we believe we are to get a speeding ticket. However 95% of the time when people see a cop they slow down because a speeding ticket is a deterrent!
I believe schools need to have age appropriate consequences to deter students from bad behavior. I mostly taught middle school, so a deterrent could be after school detention, lunch detention or even Saturday detention or ISS, but many schools discouraged those consequences. I also think community service would be great, but of course that is rarely allowed. When I taught 4th and 5th grade, holding kids in for recess or having them walk laps at recess was an effective deterrent, but I was told I couldn’t do that. I also tried having them write lines, but I was told that that was corporal punishment. As you can see, all the consequences that would work were forbidden, and I saw the negative impact of those policies which is what I discuss across this channel.
The moral of the story is kids can behave if they are motivated to! When the motivation is positive and intrinsic that is wonderful! Understandably, sometimes kids need external motivation like rewards, and I am fine with that too. Realistically many kids (especially today) lack internal motivation and aren't moved by external rewards, and they actually need consequences that are unpleasant enough to be a deterrent. Having those consequences doesn't mean that we stop talking to them or working with them, but for many people just knowing that there might be a negative consequence is enough to make them think twice and follow the rules.
Just a question, corporal punishment is in the scriptures, why would you be against it? I’m just curious because I know you said you were a Christian
@@kris78787 Hi Chris! I believe there is a big difference between the discipline that a school administers and the discipline that parents administer. For example, as a public school teacher, it wouldn’t be my place to ground a student and take away their cell phone/tv for a week because that is in their parent’s domain. In the same way, I don’t think it is my place to paddle someone else’s kid, and if I had kids I wouldn’t want a person I barely know to paddle my kids either. I would expect the teacher to give out school-appropriate consequences, and I would give appropriate consequences at home in line with my convictions and beliefs. My only point in this video is that schools have gotten rid of most consequences that would be deterrents, and all too often parents are not even disciplining kids at home, so students feel more empowered to misbehave than ever! I hope that makes sense. I’d love to share additional thoughts, but the comments section isn’t the best place to do it, so please feel free to email me for a more in-depth conversation! 😇
Millienials were pretty bad. The problem is bad behavior feed itself. One bad behavied student will make other behavied student bad. I for writing lines and runing laps. I think hitting kids is not a good idea. Detention is good too. But it started with millienals.
You communicated clearly in this video. They have 0 respect because there are no consequences for their negative behavior. Thanks for your video.
I remember a group of Gr. 4's kept in on a sunny day for misbehaviour. One of them asked if I couldn't just hit them and let them out. Told them with a straight face that we did not hit children. Thought, why would I want to hit you when keeping you in is working so well.
I had a parent get upset with me because her kid claimed she lost her backpack with her homework in it and I told her if she wanted credit she had to redo the assignment and submit it. Her mother claims I should have taken her word for it and still give her credit without her having to complete the assignment. That’s the parents we are dealing with. No accountability for students at all.
Ok, so if I lose my keys and don't go to work...I can get paid anyway! Yeah, Mr. Or Mrs. Parent, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TEACHING YOUR KID.
Idiot entitled mother
99.9% is parenting or lack of parenting!!! Entitled, spoiled parents raise entitled, spoiled kids. "A child left undisciplined brings their mother shame" Proverbs 29:15
It's really a shame and a disservice to children when parents fail to instill in their children responsibility, thus the large sense of entitlement found in our society today.
This happens too often.
In a lot of Japanese schools they have the students clean the schools after school, on a rotating schedule. It teaches students to respect their building, and to take care of things they want to keep nice. Not even punishment. I think it's wonderful.
My school in Thailand also have this as well. It started off since first grade. We had to clean blackboard, sweep the floor, mop the floor, throw the trash, etc. It was a lot of fun to do these tasks with friends and learn how to do them properly.
Japanese in general have much more respect for elders and people in positions of power so I'm sure it's very rare for them treat sensei with disrespect.
Western culture could take some notes
As someone who's worked in Japanese schools, it's a great idea until you realize that the school never actually gets a real cleaning^^'
@@Ikine557 hahaha I agreed...though my school in Thailand has janitor, who will come and actually clean every week on weekend or something like that. First and second graders sweep and mop the floor...you can't totally trust them to have it cleaned. However, my teacher usually came in and taught us how to do it properly and what part we missed. Definitely taught me to be more details and care more about cleaning.
@@Ikine557 Yep! I'm working in an elementary school in suburban Japan right now. Yes, the students "clean" the school everyday. But really, it's not clean lol.
Tough to be a teacher now. As a unified arts teacher at a private school, I had a nice, bright 4th grader who wouldn’t do the quick, easy practice assignment each week (10 minutes). I explained the effort part of the report card and that it is excellent if he does it, needs improvement if he doesn’t, and I gave him a chance to start fresh and do it each week. He didn’t, so he got “needs improvement” that term. Both parents showed up the next day demanding that the principal make me change the grade. She said, “They have 4 kids! Do you know how much they spend in tuition each year??!! Change it!” I said I would not, but she could if she thought that was best for the child. She changed the grade. That afternoon, I emailed her and told her I did not intend to return for the next school year because I could not morally support a policy that grades are based on the parents’ money.
This is horrible practice! Imagine the smirk on the kids face the day 😫😤 Best wishes for your future endeavors.
I hope you absolutely love your next job. The kids, parents, and school lost a lot when they lost you!
I bet the mother in front of the child did say something along the lines of "how much we pay in tuition" being grounds for special treatment thereby teaching the child what really matters.
@@Best_blessedRhonda Thanks. It was a while ago and I never looked back.
@@hikingwiththedog6078 Thank you. It was a while ago, and I never regretted leaving.
As a warehouse manager, I have fired probably 100+ of the “kids” that get rubber stamped through public school (90% of my associates were barely literate). They would try the same behavior on me that they did to their teachers. It costs them, in moments, the best paying job that someone with their skills and knowledge could find.
So the behavior that gets permitted in public schools gets passed on to the private sector. And you see it every time you go to a retail store.
They finally receive consequences and get schooled.
@@jefesalseroThen they play the victim to anyone who will listen and are probably coddled by their parents still.
I used to know a lady, then in her forties, who behaved like a teenager but she had two kids of her own. They were doomed. Her son was put on a pedestal and beatified into sainthood. Her daughter on the other hand was nothing but a background character because she was older by 7 years. Once her daughter moved out and went in the military, her mother was left to deal with the monster she had created. It was so ironic seeing his mom finally understand that she had raised a nightmare. Of course, she wouldn't take responsibility for it. She was a stay-at-home mom. She barely ever worked, she had a distant husband who paid for the majority of the expenses, so all she had to do was maintain the household and clean, cook, make sure he had a nice home to come home too. She couldn't even do that. She was so completely checked out she would often get her nails done, her hair done, buy cigarettes and booze but she couldn't be bothered to raise their son right. A product of no boundaries, no respect, no sense of impending consequences for his actions, I told her she was setting him up for failure. She didn't want to hear it. Well, when he, as a moody teenager, slapped her behind to the floor when she tried to stop him from leaving, she got to see that I was right. I told her as much when she called me up flipping out. I told her seeing how horrible her son was was one of the reasons why I didn't want kids. She got so mad at me and displaced her anger on me. I told her to tell someone who cared and hung up on her.
This is what I keep trying to impress upon my students. I teach adults at a school primarily for people who aren't that well prepared for college. My students' method of coping with everything...every assignment they don't feel like doing, every detail of the class they don't like, is to send me a detailed description of their personal problems and why they're special for having them, with the expectation that I will give them an extension, give them an automatic A, or somehow pass them even if they don't actually hand in any work. Yet these same students talk about the amazing jobs they're going to get, the amazing example they're going to set for their kids. And I keep telling them....that's not the way to do it. If you get an "amazing" job at all, and you communicate with your supervisor like that, you're going to get fired. Of course, I don't do that directly. If I did that directly, I'd get fired, because I'm supposed to be teaching communication skills for the workplace to these people....while at the same time catering to them when they send inappropriate, manipulative, and entitled messages to someone in a supervisory role.
That's the thing.......the bullshit politics played during early school years don't workout so well in the real world with real world consequences!
Then the government pays for their subsistence.
I was denied recess and forced to write punitive sentences nonstop in Elementary school. I was frequently confined to stand on walls or forced to help clean the lunch room. I was often an impudent shit and deserved it all.
Chocolate Rain!
Thank you for being honest. Sounds like it all sunk in eventually!
**I move away from the mic to breathe in
Yes! We had to write “I” statements
Thank you for being honest and saying you deserved it. I can assure you that your teacher would rather have had you in class enjoying your company than the alternative choice due to behavior 🧡
I hate that we basically trap the well behaved students in dangerous spaces and there is nothing we as teachers can do about it. As adults we have the power to leave any room/situation that we deem unsafe/chaotic. We do not give the children in our care the same sorts of freedom and I can only imagine what their perspective on life and education will be when they make it to adulthood.
Yes I was bullied so bad and it seemed like the teachers never wanted to say anything else other than “settle down”. I got kicked out on purpose in middle school just to escape my then hell.
I got bullied so bad I walked out the door in 9th grade and refused to go back. I spent the next 3 years in a fundamental baptist school that didn't understand how far behind I was. I never did get caught up.
@@fishandgarden4514 so sad 😞 I’m sorry you had to go through that and for no one to do anything about you being behind is a big problem with this system. That’s why bullies should be dealt with immediately because it really does take from learning time.
I am working to give more attention to my well behaved students. I feel so bad when I’ve spent a majority of the day “redirecting” the bad kids and haven’t had a chance to spend with the others.
We need school choice. This will give students a chance to enroll in other institutions that can provide a better education if the current school system fails the student. It's all about the student. The funding should follow the student and not the school district. Competition is a good thing.
It’s more about the decline of HOME discipline. My school never had to discipline us. The threat of a parental call kept students in line.
True!! 💯
Exactly! Now parents go to jail to discipline how they used too. The only person who gets to discipline (physical discomfort) children are the police which can lead to death.
It's both actually
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This!
I'm a 20 year teacher, and I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. Schools don't want punitive punishment, yet we live in a punitive society. The world is a cold place, and there will be no dojo points, scholar dollars, or chill zones to save them.
@alexanderkennedy2969 She’s been TEACHING for 20 years.
@@person6757😂😂😂😂
There is prison or civilian life. If you mess up at work there are consequences
@alexanderkennedy2969 Evidence that you are a product of our broken education system.
It’s almost like they’re being set up to fail 🤔
I graduated HS in 2003 and was bullied relentlessly. Instead of holding the bullies accountable they asked me what I did to get bullied and never did a damn thing to the bullies and their parents cried to the school that my parents and I were making their kids look bad. It goes way back to my generation of student in some districts where discipline got soft and the wrong people were being held accountable.
This hurts me because this happened to me back in 2013 I'd constantly get bullied and harassed and they asked me what I did wrong to get bullied like it was my fault or often times implied that I deserved it. I graduated 2018. It's sad that it never changed. I STILL feel like there's something wrong with me and that people hate me!!!
@@lonerevenant0 you 100% live your life feeling like you're in the wrong somehow even if people treat you like shit. A lot of therapy and a great circle around me I'm good to go now but shit it took a long time
@@lonerevenant0 We are from similar eras. I still struggle with the trauma as well.
Yes. Thank you. There's too many "back in my day it was great" comments on here, when the 90s and 2000s where when all this started.
I also graduated in 2003 and literally the same thing happened to me. One if my former bullies is actually a state patrol officer now and it makes me sick.
Yeah, I'm a 7th-8th grade teacher in a title 1 middle school. I've had students hit me in the head with a glass bottle and only recive "talk time" with our vice principal before being sent right back into my class. I was told to "re-teach the expecations". Apparently, expecting 14 yearolds to know not physically assult their teacher is too much. "Ohh, they're just kids". Yeah, but in 4 short years we'll be calling them adults and expect them to be accountable for their actions.
Sue in civil court. File a police report. Have it on camera.
If it happened off campus, those steps are what you would do. So go ahead and do them.
Sue the hell outta the parents for letting a criminal in the school. If I was teaching and some kid hit me with something, I'd do everything in my power to leave the whole district and the parents of poorly raised kids homeless with the settlement and not even allowed in homeless shelters. Behave or starve yourself to death..... 😂
Yeah the, "They're just kids." has layers. The violence part ends in first grade. After that, they should know the consequences of attacking people and fussing is no longer a passable punishment. Just like chores by age. Certain behaviors need to be phased out early, and others are given a growing out of it period, with guidance.
I used to hate the "they're just kids" lecture and would flip it right back on them like yeah, they ARE just kids, and they are behaving like criminals in some instances.
God you are good ....I'd quit
Not only do teachers suffer in these pie-in-the sky nondisciplinary systems, good kids suffer and have difficulty learning because of the chaos that accompanies these systems. So glad I retired.
Precisely. I homeschool because my daughter couldn't stand the other children's behaviors. This is absolutely a U. S. problem. The parents are the same and so are the children. Administrations are different.
I’m happy that both of my daughters have graduated from high school. All of their time in school, they both knew how to behave. Times have changed and not for the better in the last few years. It’s time to return to old school-no more candy; no more I Pad; no more rewarding for bad behavior!!! It’s time for paddling to return!! I’m a substitute teacher and have never seen such bad behavior in the past few years and no matter when I send students to the office for discipline issues, they are sent back to the classroom and that’s completely unacceptable. Time for change!!!
@T J: Greetings from across the Atlantic. Don't worry, this is not exclusive to the US. We have this problem in Europe as well.
This! My children are in a very nice private school and school district and it’s still hard simply because parents don’t want their children to be held accountable for anything. Kids are just wild and the teachers are burnt out the kids are stressed and the kids that are misbehaving aren’t learning how to function long term 😞
@@ladybluelotus Is New Zealand problem too.
I'm a school bus driver and It can be awful sometimes. Our hands are tied when it comes discipline. I have to pull the bus over A LOT! YOU ARE SPEAKING THE TRUTH!!
If a child can't behave on the bus- he/she should not be allowed to ride it!
@@terrestrialradioProblem is the parents will complain and try sue, which forces the school districts hands.
Bus drivers need an aide to help them. Its unfair they have to drive and watch all those kids at the same time
As a young child I would wear a special vest to keep me on the chair when the bus was moving because I had a problem staying still, extreme reaction, maybe, but it was very effective as I started finding ways to pass the time that were not so disruptive like reading a book
As a kid of the 80s, schools had rules for children who frequently misbehaved on the bus. It's not just an issue of morality but also safety. Kids rarely got kicked off, but the fear of our parents corrected us if this were to happen was enough to keep us out of trouble. I don't think this happens today because it's seen more of a crime to discipline bad behavior than have ones life be in danger because of it.
I'm not a licensed teacher but I work in education and have substituted many times. I recently taught English at 2 public schools in Asia for a year. I had 500 students a week, grades 1, 2, 7, 10, and 11. The schools I was at were low-income schools out in the countryside. They had significantly less resources than some of the worst schools I've worked in the states (95% of the classrooms didn't have access to internet). The education system there has a ton of issues, but during my entire year there the worst behavior I had to deal with were students putting their heads down in class or cussing. But the thing is, they weren't cussing me out. They just thought saying the F word in front of a foreign English teacher was funny. It was literally just the word with no context. Kids are kids no matter where in the world you are, but the massive difference is the value they have in education. Parents treated me with so much respect. Being a teacher was seen as a prestigious career.
Back home, I've had 3rd graders toss tables across the room, 1st graders jumping each other, kindergartener lied that I had punched him in the stomach, 5th graders planning "beat downs" at recess. Yet every single one get to enter the classroom as if nothing had happened. Behavior rooms are now the fun rooms with bouncy houses, toys, and games. I have students intentionally act up to get sent out because they know they can skip out on school work and go play with their friends. Yet, I've seen teachers get yelled at and blamed by parents for "failing" their kids. I love working with students but I agree 100% with everything stated here. There are no consequences and these new age ideology do not work. I only experience a fraction of what actual teachers go thru and I'm exhausted.
Agreed.
Rise and fall of empires. People with poor resources probably enjoy the help they get in a very different way than people who already have enough.
Adults know this but it can be difficult for a 13-year-old kid to understand that nothing is guaranteed. There might be a day when you live with your own kids and wish that someone would be willing to teach them.
One of the top reasons why kids are rowdy is that they’re allowed to play with the smartphone and video games for example.
There is a reason why China has a curfew for their online games and mobile apps for kids under a certain age.
Just a thought.
@@samstarba4569 the main issue is that far too many adults in the West DON'T know nothing is guaranteed, and parent their children accordingly. The relative peace and prosperity of the last almost 80 years is unprecedented in many ways, and has led to at least 3 generations of 'summer children' who have generally known good times and allow foolish ideas like the ones well described in this video to take hold. I myself can be described as at least somewhat stunted in adult development, but I am nothing compared to the grown up adolescents that populate mainly America by the millions bringing poorly disciplined children into an already creeky public school system. What we see now is likely nothing compared to what will come the next 20 years if strict guidelines are not laid down and followed. I truly feel for the good teachers out there..
That makes me sick. If I treated a teacher, adult, student etc like that my mom would have killed me..possibly not figuratively speaking. I'm a parent now and if my son treated anyone like that we're going to have a problem.
This is already very deep into the corporate world. As a manager I pulled aside a disruptive employee and politely asked her to be less disruptive. I was later called in to my boss’s office and told to apologize. Our whole society is headed in the wrong direction fast.
OMG!
That's so wrong
I wouldn't want to be an employer these days having to deal with anyone you hire now, and sad to say, i wouldn't recommend being a teacher as a job to anybody (it will destroy you mentally and emotionally if you think you're going to make a difference now).
I was at a Wendy's the other day the girl took my order in the register wasn't logged in so she said. She walks into the back and a manager comes up and says I'll take the employee precedes to walk up on her phone cussing and swearing and the manager didn't do a thing about it I should have just turned around and walked out of there.
That right there is bad for business. Watch it implode.
I quit last Friday; just walked out. It’s awful in schools now. Just awful. We are screwed as a society.
I hope you find a wonderful career ❤️ 🙏
I'm so sorry!! My sister is telling me the same thing. She said it's horrible in the class room. She gets called( fat bitch ) every day..she's 60 and I can see she's going to walk out soon...
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Good for you. Take care.
It doesn’t just happen at schools. I worked at a daycare which catered to babies to fourth graders and I had a fourth grader break my nose which had to be on a splint was bruised was for weeks and my 120 dollar glasses when I told him he couldn’t go on his iPad as it was HW time (the school age kids do homework at the daycare after they are dropped off at the daycare by the bus before play time). He yelled at me and I was trying to deescalate he took his school laptop and swung it hard at my face which broke my nose and my glasses.
I had to go to hospital and I was in tears because I couldn’t believe a fourth grader a literal fourth grader broke my nose on purpose for something so trivial. And he was not punished by his parents or my boss. My boss didn’t do a thing and his parents said I made it up and that their son would never do that. My boss gave him extra privileges so he wouldn’t be angry again but he’s just rewarding bad behavior. This kid broke my nose!
And I got yelled at because I must have done something to make the kid get angry as I “escalated the situation” dude this kid broke my nose and my glasses and I’m the one in the wrong. Yes he’s a kid, but he needs to know what he did was wrong. My nose is in a splint so it doesn’t heal crooked and my glasses are broken meaning I can’t drive until I get them fixed which is expensive.
So I quit I was done.
The boss setting the tone. Just like those putting unusual books in libraries of schools. Who approved it?
I know this may not be helpful, but I wonder if there are laws that could protect you and hold the daycare as well as child's parents responsible?
I know lawyers cost money, which is why I said it may not be helpful, but I just hate to see someone suffer an injustice and then be gaslit about it. It's bad for you and that child who, according to stats/probabilities, will grow up to be a menace.
Sorry for your suffering. Not being dramatic, but this is deeply upsetting to someone's soul. To be physically harmed, then told it didn't happen the way it did, and for the child to be rewarded, that's very disturbing. You lost a job via quitting because of it. I hate to see this!! I am sorry.
This story sounds terrible.
The thing is.. the real world will catch up with these brats... because the world will be full of these brats.... kind of self evident....enjoy your world kiddies....I'm nearly out of here. Thank Christ..🤔😂😎🇦🇺👌
Good for you!! I’m so sorry, I’m sure that was hard. That child is going to end up killing somebody and that parent will have to deal with the fallout.
I’m a college student and I’ve noticed that my friends who are education majors are being brainwashed into thinking this kind of behavior is ok because “the kids can’t help it.” It’s disgusting😒
Seeing as children from many cultures don't behave this way, I'd either think the kids can be better, or it's the fact they're Americans that leads them to be douchebags, and not the fact they're kids
And that's one reason why we're looking at a mental health crisis in this country. Research shows pretty reliably that a belief in determinism makes you more depressed and less empathetic. So why the fuck do we encourage it?
In some cases, kids can't help it, but in majority cases it is not the case.
We need communism or fascism to restore order and discipline.
Yes its a strange coping mechanism.
I had a kid walk into my classroom 50 min late. I asked her for a late pass. She said that her mother had just dropped her off and she said to me she didn't have one. I told her that she needed to go to the attendance office to get a late pass. At that time, the student whipped out her phone. I heard her saying, "Mom, my teacher won't let in. I could hear yelling, stay right there. I'm turning around. I'll be there. The student turns to me and said to me. I bet you're let me in when my mother gets here. I said to the student. I hope she brings a pass. The mother is still on the phone angrily asking her daughter "what did she say? What did she say?" Her daughter says "she wants me to give her a late pass. I could hear the mom saying, "I told that security officer that I didn't have time to go to no attendance office." I mmediately called the office and explained what was happening. The security officer told me that Mother wanted to walk her daughter to the classroom to explain her she couldn't disrupt the classroom, and that she needed to go to attendance office. The security officer said that apparently the morher left and sent her daughter to classroom without a pass anyway.
About 10 min. later, the mother walked in my classroom, yelling about how tired she was of me and all of the stupid school rules. She went on to say while wagging her finger that I need yo leave her dsughter alone and she let her in. My school class looked like they were embarrassed for the student. One of the students apparently knew the mother do, he went ovet to the mother and explained that those wrte the rules and they everybody had to sign for the student handbook. Still, the mother vontinue to curse me out while telling me I was wasting her time and, that I could have just let her in because she was telling the truth.
In the eyes of the mother: Never mind the school rules. Never mind, her daughter was a 10th grader and understood the tardiness policy. Never mind, she circumvented the officer after being told she was needed to take her daughter to the attendance office before being allowed in class. Never mind, that she was setting a poor example for her daughter and all of the students that wirnessed her behavior.
When my class ended, I gave all of the students except her a snack. About a week later, I was told that the mother had written a formal complaint saying that I discriminated against her daughter. I answered the complaint by saying that it was my hard earned money and, I treated the students that I THOUGHT deservec it.
Yes, this is what teachers deal with today. Make that make sense. I know. You can't. Me either.
Your grammar is shockingly bad for a teacher.
does the late slip involve state school funding? As for snack 'discrimination'. Probably not the best practice.
the snack part was probably not the best thing to do. I can understand your frustration tho.
Her mom was the problem so u not giving her a snack was not the best move imo
Sadly, adults are becoming like this too.
I got accused this year of sexualizing children because I asked them to flash a heart sign with their hand if they love the activity, yet these same kids can literally call me a POS and get just one day of ISS, which, to be frank, is exactly what they want. This is a "good" school district; I used to work at a very, very bad school district, and even bringing in marijuana to class didn't land them in ISS.
This is untenable long-term.
Sorry that happened to you! 🥺 It's so hard being a teacher when people can make up anything to get you in trouble, yet a student can be caught doing something abominable, and nothing happens.
Sorry 😐 this morning, some students were lying to the principal that I told them to "shut the f--- up", but I only yelled for them to shut their mouths after they just constantly continued to misbehave and run around the room and stand up and dance.
Then they had the nerve to say that they were going to tell their parents and their mom was going to beat me with a switch and their dad was going to shoot me. Then the same one try to say that he is the teacher and not me.
Just like last week, they claimed that I "tried to throw a chair at them", and then got their friends and mom to go along with the lie and tell the principal and superintendent. But at least they aren't coming to my room anymore!
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@@Homo_heidelbergensis 😳
@@Homo_heidelbergensis Wow..just wow!
My mother was a fifth grade drop out. I talked her into getting her GED, and then going to college, and then, getting her masters in teaching.
She began as a special Ed teacher, did that for 11 years, and then moved to middle school.
Dealing with the parents of “normal children” chased her out of the profession in two years.
I am a new teacher who teaches elementary. Kids nowadays are way different than when I was a kid in school. They can only be stimulated by video games/technology and anything else is deemed as boring. If I talk for even 5 minutes I can see them start to lose interest, despite trying to get the students involved in creative ways. The level of disrespect is also pretty bad and students are smart enough to know that teachers don’t really have any options in terms of giving consequences. They are also smart enough to know that there is no accountability. A student can do absolutely none of their work in class knowing that they can’t be failed and will not have to repeat the Grade again. Just some of the things I’ve noticed so far
That's what happens when parents rely on technology to raise their kids. There's going to be a generation full of people who aren't good at anything.
Second year 6th grade teacher here, and I’ve experienced the same thing! I wasn’t sure if it was just the kids in my district that acted this way, but the fact that this is generally the case for most kids nowadays is very disheartening.
it’s not technology, it’s using it wisely. My nephew uses RUclips to learn about stuff (he watches documentaries). I understand the frustration though that you have to be digitized in some way to encourage learning.
@@alisharo58 I don’t know about that. It really depends on how much screen kids have been allowed before they get to school. Those who have been allowed a lot of screen time tend to be very hard to engage without screens. But there are still some traditional schools that have no or very minimal screen time in class in the primary grades. Eg. The outdoor “forest schools” in Denmark.
My 7 yr old sister has to use technology alongside paper for French homework and then since we don’t have a back yard at our current house she plays on it or her mom’s phone when she’s not using chalk outside this is much different then my little cousins in Arkansas one the same age as her who have very little access to technology who have stricter parents and who are outside majority of the the time
I work as a program specialist at a school that serves preschool up to age 12. We cannot even use the word “time out”. These kids act nuts because they know that they get to leave the classroom. One kids was throwing chairs, he got sent to the office and the director ended up giving him a fidget for him to calm down. OMG HE IS GOING TO KEEP DOING THAT… he hits, throws chairs, book cases and gets rewarded for it. I cannot imagine these kids being our future
Sounds like you are talking about my kids' school! The students in my son's FIRST GRADE class had to evacuate the classroom several times because a student got angry and began throwing books and other items and turning over desks. The child was allowed to throw things until he calmed down, with no consequences. There was a boy in my daughter's 3rd grade class who was given candy and trinkets from the treasure chest, got to choose many of the fun classroom activities, and choose whether he did the assignment or not. All to appease him in attempts to prevent his fits of rage, in which he often threw books and other items, knocked over shelves, turned over desks, etc. Once a pencil that he threw hit my daughter about a fourth of an inch from her eye, and another time, the corner of a textbook that he threw hit her in the temple. I took my kids out of the school.
School Nurse here again. Parents: your kids know how to get out of class. Your little Angel knows that they will get to color and a snack instead of doing math. They know that you will call and yell at the staff.
Do your parenting. I did. I raised four girls. The school educated them. They are respectful, educated women that I am proud of🧡
I'm a school nurse too and the domino effect is at work as well. One kid acts out, and gets to sit in the conference room all day on their Chromebook. Others see this and copy their behavior to acheive the same thing. There was a mass exodus of teachers last year due to student and parent behaviors post pandemic. I expect even more this year.
Teacher here, my three girls are the same.
100%, but the school's/teachers ALSO need to be able to punish the kids so it's reinforced everywhere.
School Nurse here too. I've seen kids get in trouble in class and run to the clinic because they're "not feeling well" or "threw up" and 5 minutes later administration is right there waiting for the student. Or the FF will come almost every day "not feeling well" ten minutes later, another kid from the same class is not feeling well either!
This is on point! Students with behaviors get more attention and rewards while the kids that behave don't get noticed a lot of times
So true. Sad really.
How about... Sending these unruly, aggressive students back to their parents, notifying them that. Their child is not to return until the PARENTS make arrangement with whatever social service, and/or mental health intervention has been completed. Schools are just not prepared to do all the intense chronic therapeutic treatment needed. Leave corporal ways to address bad behaviors to the parents or juvenile judicial agencies.
Just hold parents 💯 percent accountable for their kids' behavior, perhaps Alternative 'school' facilities, staffed by social workers, child mental health psychologists, Full-time - Pus supported by and supervised juvenile law enforcement personnel.
Those jobs are what our Regular teachers are being burdened with daily, instead of providing basic education.
The good, well behaved kids are missing so much because of the disruptive and dangerous students allowed to destroy educational environments Nationwide 😢😮
@dianagetz Dogs that are not disciplined many times fight with other dogs and bite people. Humans are no different.
Bring parenting back to the classroom! I was going to switch over to teaching, started my Masters, was doing student teaching and working PT In a classroom. The one thing I hear is "Not my kid," from friends, as I worked at the school within my neighborhood. I was at a picnic with several people who had kids in that school and I lost my mind, after they all said it's not their perfect kid. One of these women was a good friend and her 4 children are all nightmares. I said Yes YES IT IS your kid and you just don't want to parent! Parents needs a major wake up call. Let's just say I didn't get dessert.
You're brave!! 💯🤗❤💕
@@TeacherTherapy
When my son was in 6th or 7th grade he thought he'd act up...I sat in his classes for an entire week, immediately behind him, and popped him on his head with the eraser of my brand-new #2 if he even looked sideways funny! Granted, this was a more than decade ago...probably couldn't do that anymore huh.
Courageous !
@@NunYaO omg! I had a students guardian come sit in the classroom for a few days last year so it still can occur! Just not as wide spread now smh
I’ll be 49 in 8 weeks, I just started working as a security guard in a middle school in January. I am absolutely STUNNED at what I have seen in 24 weeks. Everything you just said is 100% true, especially about the bad kids going to the Principal and coming back with a snack. God help this country.
Wow, In LATAM if you get to the principal, or you did exelence or you are on a death sentence
Your education need to take the punishments more seriously, like, they must make the agressors life harder, not tell them what they did wrong
In my day, if a kid was sent to the principal, he was coming back to class teary-eyed with a hot butt. Such is the result of a meeting with the "board" of education.
A security guard for a middle school...
Kids need boundaries but if they're really young and acting out and their parents are poor they could just be hungry and need food so a snack makes sense.
@@jasmines.6325 if parents would stop selling food stamps for drugs and alcohol money, then we wouldnt need to feed them!! I ddo feel very sorry for young kids today tho!!
Currently 18 years old, I go to a public school and I’m a senior. My school has around 2,000 students and is in NJ, relatively close to NYC.
I agree with you. I have been failed by this lenient education system, along with copious amounts of reinforcing negative behavior, and it is truly a problem. I am currently learning self-discipline because it is truly something that I lack, and many of my peers are in similar situations.
I feel for today’s sane and rational teachers, who truly want to just educate the next generation, and have a passion for teaching, because the system is slowly becoming more and more unsustainable and unbearable. My heart goes out to you guys, and the few teachers I’ve met in my high school and before who truly wanted to teach.
Good for you stay on the straight and narrow and keep focused your teachers can only do what they can but never stray. My young friend the education system has been in disrepair for a long time but perseverance ok.
Don’t do it. Go into a different profession.
That's good for you to realize, but as a parent, I would consider any inability you have to be disciplined to be something your folks can help with. Is there a reason your parents can't impart anything?
@@stoheha I understand where you’re coming from, but I specifically did not mention my parents because they are not a part of the problem. My parents are not considered strict, but many of my peers with helicopter parents turn out with less self discipline than me, I really don’t think my parents are to blame though, would rather not go into as to why because it’s rather personal, but I appreciate your concern.
@@chalktalkwithshari4173 Was never planning on it lol
I was born in 88, started 1st grade in 1995, the yearI turned 7 (I'm Norwegian). Our teacher (primary school) was a STRICT disciplinarian. She would not hesitate to kick you out of the classroom if you were disruptive, or tear you a new @sshole (verbally with her thunderous voice, which was impressive given that she was a petite lady). We all referred to her as "Miss", never by her personal name, If I run into her in the street these days, I still refer to her as "Miss". She was also incredibly caring, where I grew up (suburbs), we were a fairly tight knit community, we were about 25-28 in class, most of us knew each other from pre-school & kindergarten, many were also neighbors with each other as well.
Our teacher always made sure to squash any beefs we might have had with each other, and if necessary call for a parent-teacher meeting to sort things out, so that beefs didn't disrupt our teaching-learning environment. Some times, we moaned about her being so strict, but I've never heard a SINGLE PERSON complain about her after graduating from primary school, NONE whatsoever. We all love her, and appreciate the fact that she was so strict during those formative years. I haven't heard of anyone who had her as their primary teacher, drop out of secondary and/or high-school. Everyone from my primary school class today are level-headed individuals thanks to their parents and the great teacher(s) that we had growing up.
Discipline is goood. ALWAYS.
Thank you, Miss B. Seglem, I'll never forget you (she's not dead!).
It’s makes so much simple sense……😒. We’re in trouble I believe👎. Here, the kids rule the school at times. I talked with my buddy from Japan recently and I was surprised that it is similar there now. Not all schools/kids. But it be be “disciplined” EVERYWHERE!
What a wonderful teacher
Spare teh rod hate the child
What a lovely post. Miss sounds like a wonderful educator.
True discipline comes from within. That is why today's kids can't be tamed. They have more discipline than the teachers the drive to the point of quitting.
I attempted a career change into K12 teaching, and earned my single subject credential because I care about kids, and was hoping to make a positive difference in their lives. After three years of earning my credential and sweating it out as a long term sub until I could get a permanent position, I realized that my efforts were futile. During the 2021-22 school year, I reached my limit with the bad behavior and disrespect and returned to state civil service. These kids will be in the workforce soon, and they are in for a rude awakening when they find out that an employer will not tolerate the kind of behavior they got away with during school. Generally, workplaces don't have PBIS or "restorative circles," and the current lack-of-effective-discipline practices in schools are setting kids up for failure and condemning them to a lifetime of unemployment.
I actually think that is the point - creating failures who are dependent upon the state. How else can you guarantee the success of your continued political corruption but through the raising and support of voters who cannot read, cannot think critically, and are, at their core, so antisocial they don't vote anyway. It is heartbreaking.
Exactly!
@kalicanterbury8085 Good point. I just read a post by David Hoffman here on RUclips that showed a DOE survey showed that 54% of American adults read below 6th grade level.
@@reneedennis2011 I watched a report on Black Conservative Perspective spotlig8thgn how 23 Baltimore schools don't have ONE student that can read or do math at grade level. Half in high school, the rest in elementary school...
23 schools don't have one student that can read or do math at grade level...23...damn...
@@SaviorCross Yup. I watched an expose report about that here on RUclips yesterday. It's a shame.
My mom taught for 40 years. She's in her mid 60s now. She stopped teaching for medical reasons in 2009. As I got older and watched her teach year after year, groups of kids in 6th grade... I watched kids get worse. In the early 90s of her teaching and late 80s, even in the early 80s, she saw more respectful kids. She loved her early groups of kids. I chaperoned her summer school and in session school kids in one instance in 2007 or 2008. They were AWFUL. I was shocked to see them talk back, and disrespect my mom. I know for sure they definitely ran her down emotionally towards the end of her teaching career. She loved teaching for the sake of enriching students, fostering and nurturing kids. But after a while, it became too much for her to handle. The parents have no morals these days, or ethics. It shows through their kids. As a mid 80s Millennial, I wasn't raised like the self centered, selfish and entitled children we see in the viral videos on TikTok. They're out of control. Personally speaking, I'd be destroyed if I ever raised my voice to any authority figures in school. My mother was a pivotal and very involved person in my schooling. She had direct lines to all my teachers. Always. I think that is at the core one of many issues going on currently.
I also have a friend who quit teaching, subbing, because the kids were awful. They made her cry. She ended up bartending.
Bad students are the product of bad parenting and tying the teacher's hands. I honestly don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher today. I will never forget the one and only time I got paddled in school. 4th grade. I mouthed off to the teacher. Principal was required to call my parents and get permission to whack me. They got it alright. Then I got it again when I got home and grounded for like two weeks. Last time I ever mouthed off to a teacher. Above all else children need firm, steady, and regular discipline or they turn out to be the entitled, narcissistic little monsters we have now.
@manny022 They'll have plenty of people, just not their teachers. The ranks of nonteacher "support staff" swell every year. At the school I work at, they're chock full of young progressive people who look forward to keeping "their kids' " secrets from the mean, bigoted parents...
My wife is a college professor & has witnessed a change in her students since she started 22yrs ago.
How can kids who have nothing and who keep going down a wrong path make you cry? They’ll just learn the hard way if they don’t change their ways. All a teacher can do is their best.
This video is exactly what I have been talking about with my Mum (a former teacher). My daughter got out of line towards one of her classmates and instead of the teacher handing out discipline to my child, she phoned me and said that she spoke to her to understand why she acted like that. Ok, I said, then I asked her what measures were put into place in order to make sure that my daughter didn't act this way in class again and she said nothing. I was flabbergasted, I of course disciplined my child when she she came home from school, but was left in total disbelief that the school essentially didn't do anything to instantly correct my daughter. Kids need consistency and I expect the school to at least somewhat match my level of discipline. The next day I actually rang the school to get them to place my daughter in after school detention for the week. It's like the teachers are scared of the bratty parents AND their children. I'm strict but fair and my children know that if they step out of line myself, husband and wider family will be on their case, it takes a village.
You might find that the teacher was secretly pleased with your actions. You did what they weren't allowed to do! Nice work!
To be fair, consistent school discipline is actually written into the Nebraska code of educational standards of practice within the Nebraska constitution. But, if administrators don't care what the law says, who is going to do anything? The teacher? Ha! And that my friend is the problem!
You can build a system, but if everyone is so undisciplined/corrupt from top to bottom, none of the laws matter.
maybe you should treat your kid with empathy and teach them why doing something is wrong instead of just punishing them and making them hate you
Contacting the parent is holding the student accountable in a way. It's a parent's job to discipline their child, not the classroom teacher's. I'm trying to teach 30 other students science, not how to behave in a classroom. Also, what power do I have? Silent lunch? I cannot take away a cellphone or ground your child. I had a student be very disrespectful and I called home immediately during my planning and she was like, "Yes, you need to hold him accountable." I wanted to respond, "Yes! That is why I am calling you!"
@@kellymcgee4989 If a kid brought a knife, you would be able to take it away. You should be able to take away a cellphone for the same reason. Children are not entitled to disrupt a class or play on a phone all day.
My mom used to be an assistant preschool teacher. One of her kids was constantly violent towards other kids and the parents had been told multiple times but they were the type to believe their child was perfect and didn’t seem to care that their son was hurting other kids. One day the kid tackled another kid and was hitting them and my mom pulled him off and held him by the arm so he couldn’t attack the other kid. Well that kid went home and cried to his parents that she grabbed his arm and the school sided with the parents and fired my mom 🤦♀️ even tho she had worked there for over 10 years and all the other teachers, parents, and kids loved her. Also to note, I have never seen my mom angry. She never hit me or even yelled at me EVER! She was known for being the most patient and kind teacher but she got fired for not letting this kid beat up another kid
I'm so sorry to hear that! 🥺💔
I experienced a similar situation, except that I was standing up for another teacher who was not wrong for simply doing her job. We both were let go.....smh! But I don't regret it because we must be strong enough to speak up for the truth. Many times the students are wrong.....period!
@@Kaye23428Real Talk
You hear these stories over and over, so the question is how do such incompetent and spineless people always seem to get to the admin positions? You watch any of these why I quit vids and lack of admin support is what you hear over and over. It's as if there is a selection process that weeds out any responsible administrators and only promotes the weak ones.
mello4678: Real talk -- the parents were scared of that child too. He shows his ass at home just like he does at school. Sadly, what they did to your mother will be long forgotten by the time the parents run out of appeasement tactics and the boy completely turns on them.
As an immigrant teacher, what surprised me with the educational system here (public) is that over-emphasis on relationship is reversed. In America a good relationship leads to success, from where I am success builds relationship. I adapt these philosophy in my classroom and not to brag, I’ve never had any behavioral issues in my classroom. I have set that tone that in order for me to build relationship with my students they have to perform and prove themselves. Even my inclusion classes have performed greatly because they know I will not pamper them nor tolerate bad behavior. I also require my students to send an email to both me and their parents explaining why them missed deadlines. I will not grade their late assignments until their parent replies- lo and behold- zero late work.
Thanks for sharing!! You sound like an amazing educator!! 👏 🤗❤
You are fortunate you have an administration and school system that backs those policies. Our schools are not allowed to have late policies. We have midterm cutoffs and end of quarter cutoffs and students can turn in anything up to those dates. :)
@@MrsEvans-es2fo With the current situation in this field, trust me, they need you more than you need them. You have to play your cards right.
I heard a wealthy hockey mom explain her kids bad behaviour was due to “poor nutrition” and start crying. The next week she’s complaining about the cost of her new tattoo and trip to Mexico
You are right in so many ways. With the shortages, the admin really has little power - teachers need to take their power. BUT there are so many stories of students eventually physically attacking the strong, no-nonsense teacher like yourself.
I am a young teacher and I thought that I am the problem. I was extremely anxious about my behaviour and teaching methods, but after watching your channel, I've realized that there is a huge issue with this new generation. Thank you so much for your explanations, you helped me a lot to understand lots of things.
And I thought my group was horrible 13 years ago when I was in school. These ones are 10X worse.
I"m a veteran teacher 26 years; if I had started out in this current environment I would not have lasted 3 years.
They are gaslighting you
@@MrVincehalloran I have been teaching high school for 25 years and will retire at 30 years of service...I agree, if I would have started in this current environment, I would not have lasted 5 years! I feel sorry for new teachers entering the profession!
OMG! You are Janine from Abbott Elementary! You thought it was you! Really!
Get some balls! Organize with other new teachers! Write a discipline code. Find sensible, parents who discipline their kids to help you! Teachers could run the school if they weren't so worried about being LIKED and kissing the ass of their supervisor. All of you united act like those bad ass kids for one day! (ORGANIZED OF COURSE) where you have contacted the media and hold a press conference! Stop whining and take action!
My favorite Honor's Class teacher from High School, had a nervous breakdown two years after I graduated. I spoke with him and he explained the drugs, the violence, the criminality, the anger, the anti-intellectualism, lack of faith, trust, and friendship... all gone bad.
We need to start holding parents and students accountable not just the teachers. We are a team. Pull your own damn weight 👍🏽
I am both and I can tell you, the power has shifted from the parents and the teachers to the children. The biggest problem about that is that they (the children) know it. The parents and the teachers will be arguing, and the children are like puppet masters for all of them. They can be very manipulative and sociopathic. We need to do something because they are our future.
Future 😂
@@Synsan9327 Reminds me of the Marc Maron bit: "You have 'hope'? What are you, seven??" 😂🥲
Hold the parents accountable for their children's behavior!
They will change quickly!
This is why I’m homeschooling my children. There’s no way, I’m going to allow the things I’ve instilled in my children to become undone through them seeing adverse behavior going unpunished and overriding my teachings.
💯 💯 💯
Also add school violence (internal and external), fights, bullying, etc.
You are lucky that you have that option.
Less student consequences over time leads to less teachers who want to teach. They are destroying public schools for a reason.
I have kind of a long story… My oldest daughter was home with me until she was almost 4. She was well behaved, sweet, followed my directions, never argued, never had tantrums and was reading I independently by time she was 3 1/2. A few months before she turned 4, she began attending Head Start, which was for her to develop her social skills before starting kindergarten. After about half the year, I noticed she was being argumentative, whiny, and she started telling me “No.” I had a conference with her teacher and was told that she never wants to participate in activities or crafts or play with other kids. The teacher told me that they let her sit in the reading corner by herself and she just reads. By then, the damage has been done. When she started kindergarten, the behavior had now become more extreme, but the teacher would just send her to see the principal. This would happen every day. I met with him and said that she likes talking to adults and this is more of a reward than a punishment, and now she’s learned how to get out of the classroom that she doesn’t want to be in. He told me, “I find it hard to believe that it’s that calculated.” I felt wrong punishing her at home for her school behavior that they were not only cultivating, but encouraging. By the next year, she was given and aide, which she loved having and nothing improved. About halfway through her first grade year, the principal told me, privately, that he thinks I was right about her wanting to go to his office. I pulled her out of that school and enrolled her into a cyber charter school. In retrospect, I think her experience promoted Oppositional Defiant Disorder. It has taken me years to undo all the damage they did to my daughter, but she’s almost 11 now and I’m so proud of the growth that she’s made. She’s a straight A student, loves learning, and follows directions wonderfully. In my opinion, the social skills aspect of going to school is a lie, because they aren’t allowEd to socialize anyway.
I’m so happy that I found your video and channel. I agree with you on a lot. In my opinion, teachers and parents need to support each other for the sake of childhood development. Plus, if the children are aware of that, it makes it harder to manipulate. It’s the same thing I tell my husband, “You’re always welcome to disagree with me on parenting issues, but not in front of our children. They need to have a vision of you and I being a unified team that is impenetrable. If they see a weakness in our foundation, they will bring a sledgehammer to it and we will crumble.” It sounds dramatic, but I think I made my point. We disagree in private and our reminder word is sledgehammer.
Similar story in my case. My kid is 11 also and it's hard for her to deal with authority. She is autistic and so am I. Her kindergarten teacher needed more experience. It only took 3 months to take her out of public school. Couldn't stand it. So now we do charter public school. Which I wanted to do in the beginning.
sorry, I don’t believe they did any damage to your daughter. Your daughter was well adjusted and had normal coping skills. She’ll be fine in school. Lots of kids aren’t treated well in school but it doesn’t seem to have caused then permanent damage. I do have a feeling lots more was happening to her at home than it wasn’t school and she just was reacting to it in school because for her it probably was safer. Do you also didn’t say that you got your daughter any type of help the whole time she was growing up.
@@divinelotus19 it’s hard for teachers to have to know why t do with so many disorders. Really, children wit disorders need education more geared towards their needs instead of mainstreamed.
I homeschool all my kids now. I won't let my kids turn into that. I see so many pub ed kids go Lord of the Flies. Not mine. My 6 year old would manipulate the crud out of those school people.
It's nice to see a parent that actually pays attention to their kid and acts accordingly. And the socialization aspect of school IS necessary. It's how you learn to deal with other humans face to face. One of the biggest problems with society now the the INTERNET. It's removed face to face skills from the equation for many, many people, especially children. That said, you need to be aware of what they're learning and teach them how to handle that interaction smartly and why some of what they're experiencing isn't acceptable and then a better alternative. They're going to be adults a LOT longer than kids. Your number one job is to prepare them to be adults where they're going to have to deal with other adults who are just overgrown children because their parents failed them.
As a university lecturer, I’d like to thank whoever thought this was a great idea…I’ve had to actually kick students out of class and even had to call the campus police when they refused to leave…this is really new and I’ve heard similar stories from older profs and lecturers
This is scary. My God. What’s wrong with people?
It's going to get worse.The Sub-Reddit "College Rants" is mostly college students complaining about how professors "can't teach" because they don't like the grade they received. If they get a C or D obviously it's not their fault, but the professors.
@@jacobwilliams5271 I mean, yeah that is an issue, but not new from what I've heard. I teach physics, so...yeah, we get a lot of $hit from students. I will say that they seem to be the most consumerist self-proclaim communists I've ever met
@@jacobwilliams5271 I feel like this can be true to an extent, but terrible teachers definitely exist. Of course, these are stories from redditors, so it isn't always easy to verify the real reason they're writing stories in the first place.
@@jacobwilliams5271there are definitely teachers who can't teach. This is coming from someone who was a good student and had to essentially teach themselves some classes in school. The difference between college and hs is that at hs teachers are taught how to teach at least. A lot of college professors are just there for research.
I just have to hang on for 19 more school days. Meanwhile, I am job searching and updating my resume. 13 years is enough. Everything you said is true, 100%
I now work for a non-profit as a housing advocate. You might want to do a search for that in your area. My position is hybrid, all on the phone. I'm safe, I get all the fed. holidays and 4 weeks vacation, personal and flex time, health insurance where a fund pays my deductible, and more. I stop at 4pm and don't take any work home. I still help people but am not disrespected by my organization. I was told I was hired for the transferable skills of communication, writing, planning, organization, follow through, proactive, asking questions, etc.
I taught Special Education for over 20 years, and just left during the Covid outbreak. I saw all this coming. SHE SPOKE FACTS!
Why leave are they horrible.
@@Cheerleader644860 Retirement
@@jwrsob oh
@@jwrsob you know I gotta stop thinking people hate children because they don't want to or can't work with them.
I did this too. I could not handle the stress on a daily basis.
I have worked at schools that work on the PBIS philosophy. I now work at an inner-city Catholic school that has a behavior support team, yet they will suspend and demerit students when appropriate. Even the great, ancient philosophers mentioned the need for virtue training. It is part of our human condition that we need to **learn** right from wrong. Sometimes that means "corporal punishment." I know what you mean about students with the worse behavior getting rewarded. I witnessed this myself at the worse school I worked at. The kids could call me vulgar names, throw things in class, be cruel to classmates; and they would come back from the office with a toy or candy. This is how you build a society of criminals, not productive citizens.
I taught public school for 26ish years and my son was in a catholic school from K-12
First Grade teacher here. Well behaved kids are more and more rare. In my experience the best reward for kids is establishing a relationship of leader/student and heaping genuine praise for genuine accomplishments. So many kids haven't been socialized properly. I blame parents on screens 24/7 and online/Covid school closures. You're right, sending kids to the office is no help. They come back with pencils, lollipops, and fun stories.
Yes. This was my experience as well. If a kid was having a tantrum, and knocking books off the shelves, they were often offered puzzle time or stuffed toys up in the office. The other teachers were baffled by this reward system.
@@luckyDancer100 So true. It's also baffling that the admin think PBIS is working! Our school has gotten a platinum level several years in a row mainly because the teachers are just putting up with horrible behavior.
There are NO consequences for bad behavior. Often one child will have a melt-down, tip furniture, refuse to get in line, etc. and learning comes to a stop. Then the admin gives us daily blurbs about how we have to get those high stakes test scores up, up, up with all this behavior. We also use Second Step, a boring program where kids are presented with problem behavior via puppets and stories, and we talk about strategies like deep breathing, calming down, asking for help, using your words instead of hitting, etc. The kids with the awful behavior take part and nod their heads in agreement, then continue on with the out-of-control behavior.
Lastly, parents have NO IDEA this is going on. For all they know, our classroom runs like a well-oiled machine, with children playing and working happily undisturbed. It's time they knew because they hold the power of change over the school boards of America. Lastly, we are so overloaded with admin telling us every move to make, what to say, and most importantly, checking all those numbers from useless tests to "guide our instruction". All this makes teachers feel overworked, tired, and stupid all at once.
You hit the nail on the head. I'm a 20 year teacher and it's completely disheartening for teachers with today's "no rules" society. You are 100% correct. Admin gives zero support to teachers who hold kids accountable. And as you mentioned it's the teachers who are now in trouble for daring to have rules and classroom management during the day.
Hell yeah! I am one of those teachers who got reprimanded bu my P only for redirecting a student back to his task. What a bunch of bulsh****!!!
It's frightening. I went to a. top teacher university that started as a Normal school/college. Amazing professors - reinforced that we are to set high expectations that students will then strive to reach. Consistent discipline, use 3 to 1 positive to negative (note we could have consequences/punishment aka negative such as detention, etc.). I loved my. career until 2009. I left in 2022 and none of those ideas existed anymore. I used to have 1-2 kids who were a struggle in a class. When I left, it had flipped - 90% were complete thugs. Total (undiagnosed) PTSD from it. I can't even be around middle and high school age (and even early. college age) students now. Sets me off - fight or flight mode instantly. I want nothing but to get away from the area they. are in. Affects me physically. It's like eating a certain food that makes you violently ill, and then you can never eat it again. Teaching at the end created the same response in me. The art room was a dumping ground of defiant, messed up kids and I spent my time redirecting. No teaching or learning exists now. My kids 2000-2008 won art awards - state and national - and the work at the end of my career was elementary level from high school level kids or never submitted.
My mom retired early. She was a teacher for 38 years. Her last 3 years of teaching were horrible.
I’m 28. All of my teachers had grey hair. From elementary to high school. We didn’t know their sexual preference or their political views. They were strict asf ! They gave zero excuses and never tolerated bs. But we were naturally respectful and understood authority. I knew my dad would beat my a** if he got a phone call 😂.
When I graduated high school in 2013. All of the teachers we had retired. It was sad.
PS: I think the problem is kids having kids. Most of the parents are young themselves. They build friendships with their kids.. instead of being a parent. My parents aren’t my friends. They are boomers 67+ so I was raised old school.
My husband and I are homeschooling our future kids. Aside from the schools turning into a political playground. The students are out of control. I don’t want our kids hurt or badly influenced.
I think your wise to home school your kids and this is coming from someone who doesn't have any.
I had to take my son out of school. Another student broke his tooth with a 3-ring-binder and verbally bullied him. There was no discipline, negative consequences, or acknowledgment about what was happening to my son. A week after my son left, the bully hit another student with a large science book, and got away with that, too. What’s going on in modern education and parenting is ridiculous.
There is nothing I hate more than an abuser, and in hindsight looking back at my recent childhood, especially school bullies. I don't consider myself a disciplinarian by any means - I love a free country, especially when I find them in my imagination - but a select few kids deserve an austere degree of discipline; whatever is necessary that they no longer prey on other children.
Amazing. Kids brings a clearly fake bright green toy gun to school and they call the police. A child gets assualted and not even a a batted eye.
That's true. There is no sanity at all. No consequences for serious actions. And serious consequences for their so-called "zero tolerance".
As a former school bus driver -- I can say that you are spot on! Many busses have become very dangerous places, because of the troublemakers. There is little to no support for bus driver any more. It is like a ticking timeb***.
They will grow into obnoxious and vile adults with horrible lives if something doesn’t change. It starts in the home but school and general society should also be able to put these brats in their place if they act up in vile ways.
I agree with everything you said. This is my 17th year teaching, and I stayed this year because I didn’t find anything interesting enough to leave (plus my principal asked me to). 1/4 of the school staff left at the end of last year because the kids were so unruly and wild that it was too much. The amount of stress teachers are constantly under for “making everyone happy” is one of the many reasons why teachers are facing burnout. It is expected that teachers face all of the unpleasantness that happens at schools: angry kids, parents, other people’s feelings, mental health, personal problems and lack of accountability without supplying the resources/support for teachers to do so. I once had a training at a former school where the principal discussed child trauma and how to better teach those kids. I asked if teachers were going to get funding/support to help such students, and she simply said, “No.” She expected me teachers to put on a cape and “jump out of the window” to support students when I lack such training 😒😒😒😒. This is one of many reasons why teachers are leaving by the thousands
The irony is, the education system implemented these systems and continue to use them expecting them to eventually stick. Which they won't. Educators coined the term safe space and this is what it gets them, students who are constantly looking for a safe place that can't possibly exist, ever. Then they lash out. I blame parents for forcing you to raise their kids instead of them, and promptly blame the "professionals" who told you what methods to use and that they would work. Teachers are very much stuck in the middle, but also do themselves very few favors in the long run, when you won't tell higher ups that these methods won't work in the first place for fear of losing your jobs, which is understandable.
"Childhood trauma" is the latest excuse for bad behavior. Just let it go! He's got some trauma in his background!
Good grief! Take a look at schools in war zones, poor zones, zones with little food in other countries. The children in these schools have experienced nothing but trauma! The respect for teachers in these classrooms is wonderful. This is why rooms can have 50 kids at desks and the teacher is able to still teach and the kids are able to listen and learn. They come to school respecting education and know how valuable it is.
Your principal asked you to, so you stayed? Self respect, people. Less martyr syndrome. I guess you like the abuse?
Parents threaten the principal then the principal threatens the teacher. "My son NEVER lies!" Says Mom. I'm a 63 year old retired teacher. I never saw a fight in my NYC high school when I attended in the '70s. Believe it!
Here in England a headmaster told me that a boy had confessed to very poor behaviour and apologised after a discussion in the office. The parents claimed their son was manipulated and threatened by the head into a confession even though the boy told them he hadn't. Groan.
Me neither in the 80’s. ADD AND ADHD never existed. No meds. Whole different world.
Im currently working at a daycare in Texas and they are trying to implement this system. I will not fully go along with it. The kids that are always behaving well will always get my attention because I was one of those children and I remember how easy it is/was to pass me over. You are in a sense teaching kids there are no consequences to bad behavior that will follow them into adulthood.
It’s not the teacher’s job to discipline the children, it’s the parents. They wouldn’t misbehave in school if they were taught better. (Edit: you do mention that point later in the video)
When I was a child, just running in a store would get me in trouble with the employees who would tell me to stop running or leave, my parents would make me apologize and explain to me why the employee was right to do what they did and I should listen to adults. Good luck telling a kid to stop running in a target today. Their mom would eat you alive and come for your job
Yeah nowadays you can’t say anything.
Kids screaming in the store? Can’t do anything because the parent will complain and make a scene…and I’ll get “spoken to” about it.
That I’m not the kids parents so the kids can do whatever they want…..
Sorry but if my kid was running and making a ruckus I’d want somebody to tell them to stop if I’m busy.
I don’t get why parents are such Karen’s these days.
You are right. Teachers shouldn't have to deal with behavior problems.
But if no one kicks their a** then they’ll grow up to do whatever they please. They need an early on a** kicking
@@Crowski single white women bro
Used to be a "joint" ownership of disciplining children. Parents had to do their bit, and appreciated teachers keeping their kids in line in school. Then the following generation came along - and all of a sudden children had more rights than the parents - you couldn't discipline your children at home, and kids started getting more entitled and violent both at home and in schools, with no consequence.
My boss was watching a program on gentle parenting with her husband and daughter. Her husband asked what age is a good age to start gentle parenting and then she looked at her grown daughter who has a job as hospital analyst and said “I think now is a good time to start gentle parenting.”
Summary: When they are grown and taking care of themselves 😂
This is very true! If that grown child returns home, then a different kind of parenting kicks in.
💯 the Truth.
My grandmother was a paraprofessional at an elementary school, and when I was in college, she and her work friends used to tell me all the time, "You should be a teacher." I used to tell them, "No, I shouldn't either." When I hear stories like yours, I FEEL VINDICATED for sticking to my guns and not taking her advice. I just don't have the patience to deal with kids in a school setting.
It less about the kids and more about the parents. I can deal with students being entitled little Sh*ts but when you have to smile and take it from the entitled Sh*t parents who find every excuse under the sun to find fault with everyone and everything except themsleves and their student, thats when it becomes hard to stomach.
it wouldn't even just be the kids imagine dealing with the parents of those said kids because they're much more belligerent.
i have always said that the parents should be taxed on their misbehaving children. 50 dollars for an F, 100 dollars for a write up, 1000 for a suspension...problem solved...force these crappy parents to raise their kids
😂..Maybe take a test before we decide to have children..sort of like a"driving test...you have to show you understand that there are rules responsibilites and expectations..
Those crappy parents might threaten teachers. They do it now without this tax.
I don’t think it should be that, but if they are a middle school student I think it should be they can’t show up to the school without a parent.
School administrators should support the teachers children that break the rules should be removed from the school system no questions cusing threatening teachers should be automatic suspension the 200 billion sent to the Ukraine should be spent on an in school police force with the power to arrest and prosecute students that threaten teachers let the parents figure out how to get there children educated
Getting an F doesn’t always mean the kid is bad. The kid could have an undiagnosed learning disability.
I have taught for 35+ years and am retiring at the end of the school year. I loved being a teacher, but I 100% agree with everything in this video! I am burnt out and exhausted with student behavior and lack of parental support. We are a "PBIS School" and everything you said about these types of programs is SPOT ON!! I am currently in 3rd grade and I can't tell you the amount of time students don't follow directions, talk/goof off/fiddle with things during lessons, don't put effort into or complete assignments, fight with others, and argue with me during a day's time. We aren't to take away recess and only send to the office if they physically fight. If we do send to office, we have to document it all and contact the parents (IF you can get ahold of them or they don't accuse us of it being our fault for their child's out of control.behavior). It's sad, really...and too much screen time and social media is ruining our children! They can't pay attention, stay on task, and know WAY too much about adult things than they should! Sigh...
Well said 100 agree
Agreed 1000%
Kim, I've just finished 34 years of teaching, mostly in k,1 and I used to LOVE my job because kids thrive with tough love, organization, high expectations, and consequences. Any praise I gave was for true effort, helpfulness, responsibility and kindness. I ran a tight, but pleasant, ship and everyone knew who was in charge. Next year will be my last, even though I could still continue for a couple more years. Teachers have been told THEY are the problem and I won't accept being told I need to rethink my style. Since this isn't fair to the kids, I'm checking out.
And now the NEA wants YOU to teach them the adult things starting in 1st grade. Isn't that a good idea?
Love your comment on screen time! Students can’t seem to work on given assignments due to their inability to focus!
I'm a substitute teacher and I once subbed for kindergarten at a PBIS school. When MULTIPLE (4) students were throwing chairs, purposely knocking over tables and shelves, aggressively ripping pages out of books, and trying to stab each other with scissors and pencils, I called the office in a panic thinking I was doing the right thing. Nope. Those 4 students got pulled out one at a time for about 10-15 minutes just to be given toys and candy from the principal. They were dumped back into the class after those 10-15 minutes and same behaviors repeated throughout the day. On top of everything else, the admin and other kindergarten teachers at that school berated me for "not knowing how to keep a group of children under control" and for "punishing" them by raising my voice when those violent behaviors first started.
If my class did that the teacher would scream at us 😳 we once were too naughty our teacher had enough and made us sit in class writing “im sorry ms. (her name)” 100 times and we couldn’t leave school unless we all did it
Welcome to gaslighting 101
Stick to your guns warrior! These poor kids are being crippled by their own parents. And yet, 15 years from now, they will blame it on 1) the government, 2) the teachers, or 3) society. NEVER where the responsibility truly lies, which is with the damn PARENTS who CHOSE to bring those children into the world! It’s pathetic!
I was an obnoxious rowdy child, and I remember when the substitute teacher came in, sure we had fun I mean we gave different names and pulled pranks I think one time someone NOT ME locked the sub in the closet lol. But we never did the shit that is being done now.
These are the things that start off a good kid to be a bad kid, if you don't guide them or discipline the kids at that young age their gonna continue doing the same thing. One of the best things about joining JROTC for me was learning how to take accountability, I was one of those annoying kids when i was younger but jrotc has taught me that my actions lead to my results it took a lot of corrective training but eventually i did change. Every kid i mean every kid is always born with good in them just make sure you keep them on the right path.
You nailed this! I’m currently a teacher (elementary) and oh my gosh, What you said about how WE are asked “well, what was said to upset this kid?…what can you do next time to prevent this from happening….etc”
Soooooo freakin true! This Empowers kids to feel like WE teachers did something wrong! 🙄 I hope this video goes Viral bc you are so accurate!
Thank you so much!! ❤️
Had a historically-and-currently-under-watch violent child removed from class. During my planning period I'm called to AP's office. She says, and I quote, "OK, so now tell me YOUR side of the story." I replied, "No, ma'am." She sputters, shakes her head, and says, "Well I heard his side of the story. I need to know yours to decide what happened." I said, "There is no HIS side of the story. I am the adult. I am twice degreed to do this job. I have 5 endorsements/certifications in good standing. I am highly qualified and objectively effective based on outstanding data. You know his history. You saw the damage. Video shows what happened and video shows all the remaining students exited to the hallway for safety. I'm going back to my class." I left that school before the end of the year. Enough is enough.
@@lijohnyoutube101 What nonsense! So teachers are required to teach reading, writing, math, AND heal trauma? So we are educators, saviors, parents, cops, counselors, social workers, psychiatric practitioners, nurses, nutritionists, ad infinitum? You are out of your liberal mind.
@@lijohnyoutube101 This is laughable! We will all quit and then, go apply these ridiculous ideas alone.
The school and the school district asked you that question because their best interest is to shift all blame onto the teacher to protect themselves.
Whatever you said to the student will be looked upon as the wrong question or response. In other words, you will be gaslit into thinking it was your fault. Their goal is to blame YOU regardless if you were wrong or right. Also, isolate the issue, blame you, and leave you by yourself thinking you were wrong. When in fact, you were right.
No one wants to be held accountable anymore.
I'm a second year teacher at a pretty rough urban high school, and it's an absolute nightmare out here. A kid who's not even my student came into my classroom and attempted to assault me for a TikTok trend, and when I filled out an office referral, the response was that I should have "set the expectation that he's not allowed in my room." How?? I've never met him!
They also keep stacking nonsense on us. We're supposed to patrol hallways, the bathrooms (the kids tore down stall doors, shattered the mirrors, smear poo on the walls, IN HIGH SCHOOL), our classrooms, AND prep for our next class, to prevent the constant fights and drugs that happen. Security won't even come when there is a fight, so we're expected to break it up! I'm a tiny, disabled white female-presenting person. They'd severely mess me up!
In addition, we've recently added a "PBIS money" system, where we're expected to give out 1-3 "bucks" EVERY CLASS PERIOD. In addition to teaching, breaking up fights, being constantly cursed at (i have a girl who takes calls in my class, while I'm teaching, and when i tell her to take it in the hall bc it's disruptive, she holds up a finger ☝️ and tells me to "shut up I'm on the phone.") No consequences allowed. I'm Jewish (the only one in the building) and have had kids do n@z¡ salutes and tell me "kanye is right," no consequences, it's their "freedom of speech". No concerns for my safety. And don't even get me started on being openly queer!
It's only my second year, I'm from the same generation they are, and I can't imagine doing this for much longer.
Wow wouldn’t that be considered hate speech?! How can they legally get away with that? I’m sorry you have to go through that, that is awful
I'm so sorry that you are experiencing this! Everything you described sounds like a nightmare! I hope you are able to find a more joyful career path! ❤🙏
Why aren't their parents held responsible?! It's sickening. They want the school to do everything, while they do NOTHING!
Please leave and be accountable for valuing yourelf enough to save yourself. Stop "casting your pearls before swine"
quit
I was a teacher for six years and saw the ramifications of the no-discipline policy. It’s sad for our society, and you’re right that the good kids who are just trying to learn and do the right thing often are the ones who suffer. There’s a lack of gratitude in our schools and our society I think.
And you’re so right about the state standards being very high-level while meanwhile many kids can barely read or write. There’s a massive disconnect and I’m concerned about the effects going forward in society. One day, these kids will be in the workforce. How’s that going to work when kids have learned they can turn in an assignment three months late?
When I was in high school in the 2010s, we had Friday detentions where we'd have to help the custodians clean the corridors. We'd be kept until 4pm on a Friday. Now, as a teacher myself, I have parents coming to school if I confiscate their child's toy, because they were distracting other kids with it during a test. Everyone is untouchable, except for us educators.
Same story here in Italy, honestly it is scary how society is going to be with those premises... now those kids are beginning to start to work, we had two of them recently: they had a such bad attitude, the quality of their work was so poor and when we made them notice they literally started to cry and go to complain to HR about our "rudeness"... eventually we had to fire them.
I know of a teacher here in Atlanta who was beaten unconscious by a 12 year old student. It has taken her months to get worker’s compensation for physical therapy, and that student is still in the same school, while she is also still working there. It’s horrific. That child should be institutionalized and separated from the general population, let alone the teacher he victimized.
This teacher should go to a mental health professional and be diagnosed for mental trauma and anxiety due to this incident. Her PTSD is worse than the physical injuries in some ways. After the diagnosis, sue the pants off them.
This 👏🏽 kids are out of control, kids run their parents, parents scared of their own kids, parents can’t control their kids so they try to gain control by blaming teachers/other kids/school, & admin is scared of parents. More and more teachers are going to leave. It’s sad.
Wow… when that out-of-control generation grows up what will be left of American civilization?
It’s not that we’re scared, the same system that are telling teachers this ridiculous way of dealing with children are telling parents that we, essentially, can’t say or do anything to our children. I’ve had several calls on me because I discipline my children. Rather you say things to them, take things from them, they’ll find a reason to harass you. Do I care that they call? No, and I have cameras to prove my children aren’t abused (which is ridiculous that I have to have to protect myself from arrest) but parents are basically being told to let children do what they want, when they want, how they want or we risk losing our children to the system… do my kids behave like the ones she speak of, to my knowledge they do not. I get on my kids about everything because “what you WILL NOT DO is embarrass me and your dads parenting or be influenced by a bunch of dumb bums headed nowhere”…
But again, apparently that’s mental ab*se and inappropriate to say. Just like teachers give up, we’re parents want to sometimes but can’t.
@@ygfbff198 oh we def appreciate parents who actually take charge and keep their kids accountable. We appreciate the parents who work together with teachers to create a behavior individual plan for their kids in order to be successful. I’m mostly talking about parents who constantly blame everything on the teacher(s) and don’t try to work together to help their kid(s).
It’s utter chaos at my daughters school. I visited for a meeting once and I happened to be leaving as the bell run for them to go to the next class and I was nearly run over and knocked over even hit as I tried to leave. She’s in middle school and from what I’ve seen elementary kids are more orderly than they were. I felt sad that I had to leave my daughter there. So many times she’s come home and said that a lot of students in many classes are acting out and instead of them getting consequences the whole class gets in trouble and loses privileges due to a few students. She says there’s always chaos and only a few teachers are able to control their class rooms. She won’t be returning next year.
Homeschool your child!!! It will be the best thing you can do for her and keeping her out of this madness!
I was always taught (same as everyone who reads this.) that you should NEVER let ONE bad apple ruin the bunch. School seems to have it were One bad apple ruins the whole fuckin' orchard.
I've had terrible social and generalized anxiety since I was young and JUST got treated for it. Public school destroyed my spirit, every teacher decided it was a personal problem that I didn't participate in class or that I whispered when I presented. The destruction of a generation is not because we aren't being punished but because the consequences don't match the behavior. Teachers are cold when students have bad behavior, parents refuse to change, admin is silent on student issues and either overcompensates or does nothing, no in between.
Retired School Nurse here.
I have seen and experienced everything this awesome lady is describing. She is not exaggerating.
When I see comments on social media that says “why don’t they teach that in school?” For example- balancing a check book. Hey- I learned that in accounting in high school in the 70s. I taught my daughter how to do it before she left 19:13
We did that in school, the check book and bank account..
They don't teach it anymore because their focused on teaching false pronouns and also busy catching flying furniture.
These kids really have stepped up their crazy and I blame the parents and the behaviorists.
@@bayamonrican No one’s teaching false pronouns….. oy. Schools especially in the elementary levels are literally only focusing on math and literacy nowadays because that’s the only thing the schools test on. The problem is basic accountability on behalf of the students and the fact that parents could care less what their children do in the classroom as long as they have a place to go all day. The concept of caring and accepting a child who doesn’t fit into narrow gender expectations is not even in the top ten issues that teachers would list if you asked them why their jobs are becoming impossible.
The 'your not in trouble' thing does work on nice kids. It gets them to open up and explain things to you but it really doesn't work with bad students at all. They just see it as a free pass to keep on doing what they are doing.
Seems like a lot of kids have no clue why a behavior is not okay in school since the rest of their lives are out of control. Some parents don’t care about common courtesy either.
I took early retirement last summer after 18 years of teaching in the OKC area. The education system is diseased beyond repair. Virtually ZERO consequences for terrible behavior is the #1 problem in our schools. It won't change though. The decision makers are too wedded to their dysfunctional ideas to even begin turning anything around. As the Titanic sinks beneath the waves, they are rearranging the deck chairs. It's beyond tragic.
Exactly - just told a recently retired school nurse friend that I am glad I was able to escape before the ship goes down. It's sinking fast.
I'm currently watching this happen in real time at my kids school. They started there 2 years ago and it was amazing!!! Teachers and staff are great, kids are great and respectful...literally how a school operated 20 years ago. At the beginning of this year I started noticing a change...kids are not doing homework now, staff is getting stressed out, teachers are getting yelled at by parents, etc. So since I'm at the school everyday I started paying attention to what the other parents and kids are doing...and what I've found...it's TikTok. Parents are watching videos about how "nothing is your fault...it's society, you don't have to do anything, etc" and so are the kids. It's literally infected and is spreading in the school.
Tiktok is definitely a huge problem in countless ways. It’s crazy to watch how it’s changing people and for the worse.
Isn’t it crazy how we can just stand back and watch the fall of our society.
@@emilinebelle7811 right?? And you literally cannot help them..they refuse to listen. +1 to China for their tactics..its definitely working
@@JeremiahHartmanPhotography yep. They claim that you’re a conspiracy theorist or don’t know what you’re talking about and all I can think is it’s an observation. So now I just implement such things for our household like NO tik tok. I can’t help the others that don’t want to listen or see
@@emilinebelle7811 exactly! My kids arent allowed on any social media and share 1 phone for emergencies only.
Thank you for your honest, real-world take on PBIS. I got out of elementary teaching in 2017 after 32 years. If I stayed in any longer, I swear I would have died. When PBIS was “the thing”, I knew it didn’t work. The administration touted it like it was a miracle behavior changer. I came up with the true definition of PBIS: Pushing Bullshit In Schools. I shared that with a select few teachers who felt the same way, and we had several laughs about it. You’re so right about the misbehaving students. They got an insane number of rewards! I recall a bus driver giving one chronic misbehaving boy something like 30 “tickets” after one bus ride! He was showing them to everyone in glee. It was crazy! I felt bad for kids who followed the rules because they didn’t get as many tickets. What a waste of time, effort, and paper 🤪.
"Pushing Bullshit in Schools"--Truth!
The administration is always pushing some new technique on teachers. Simple behavioral expectations appropriate for creating a learning environment that are consistently and uniformly applied are all that are needed.
I had a student who threatened to punch me because I was trying to establish boundaries. She would leave the class to go to the bathroom and vape - which was well-known by admin. She expressed the same threat to the principal and the principal said, "I know. If you need to take a break and leave the classroom, that's ok."
This is why I'm leaving teaching, as so many of us are. I'm not a fan of corporal punishment, but I am a fan of consequences and accountability. It no longer exists in education and our students have mastered the art of avoidance. It's always the teachers' fault though.
When I went to high school in the 90s they didn’t have corporal punishment but they did make kids do manual labor after school if they got in trouble. I can remember kids having to help pick up trash or clean classrooms. Unfortunately this today would be unheard of because I’m sure it would be considered “abusive” by society. I thought it worked pretty well though because who wants to stay after school and do work? Now kids get away with anything and they have no consequences
@@kris78787 Exactly. We all have out own ideas about what education should do, but a big part of it is preparing kids for the real world. What's going to happen when these kids go to university and they don't know how to behave properly, or expect that they will be given countless opportunities when they neglect to do their work? What's going to happen when these kids enter the workplace and get fired for behavioural issues or unprofessionalism? I don't think there's going to be restorative justice sessions that can help them get out of consequences then, so why do it now?
@@deedledave9826 I agee, they are not being prepared for the real world
Let the girl vape in class have some respect
@@kris78787 Prison. They are being prepared for prison.
As a teacher of 25 years I can attest that kids are completely out of control and PBIS ddefinitely does not work.
I’m a first year 5th grade sped teacher. PBIS drives me nuts. I feel like I’m expected to constantly reward my students with behavior issues to incentivize desired behaviors while ignoring those students who do their best every day. Eventually, the well behaved kids are going to start acting out so that they can get attention, too. I had one student who was screaming in the hallway about how he was going to k*ll his classmates and teachers (naming them by name) and that his daddy has a gun he can get to. The student was suspended for 2 days. Nothing else. And evidently, this wasn’t his first time making those threats and he has physically assaulted teachers and classmates before. He wrote out his hit list for the counselor. My name was the first one on his list. After his suspension, I was expected to reward him with dojo points, toys, Chromebook time, and treats whenever he refrained from being violent towards or threatening to be violent towards others.
I was in the army. I’m used to being expected to die in the line of duty. I, however, did not expect to have my life threatened while teaching in a small town elementary school. In the army, I at least got compensated fairly with loads of benefits. As a teacher I barely bring home 2500 a month and the only real benefit I have is being treated like shit day in and day out.
That is insanity.
My teachers up through 7th grade had big paddles with big holes drilled in the paddle, bc the air flow made it sting more.
You acted up, you got your fanny smacked, in front of the entire class.
After 7th grade, no paddles, they just called your parents, and that made a front of class paddle seem like a great idea.
But parents actually raised kids then, instead of letting cell phones and iPads parent for them.
We need a revolution or we will continue to raise a lawless society of future criminals, and many of those will be murderers.
It's already happening.
I never finished school but I wanna say this “I started working at 15 and every adult around me that works with me has no discipline and it’s frustrating how I must talk to them to do what I’m hired to do. I’m a career manager and dealing with people that went through the school system means dealing with lazy entitled people.”
Most people have been slowly being taught to act more immature and not act like adults.
Ive found out after spending 10 years in a shit career (car technician) if you don't treat people like their children they stop acting like their children, also you better be damn sure that your willing to do what you ask me. I'm sick of this culture we created where your supposed to ask how high when they tell you jump. Communication is a two way street and "lazy"/"entitled" isn't when you tell you boss to shove when they're being unreasonable.
My wife is an educator with nearly 30 years. I can't wait until she can retire ... the nightmare stories she tells me almost daily, ... I just couldn't do it. We are as a society systematically promoting horrendous behavior, with no consequences whatsoever for committing even the most grievous acts. Can't even be told they should be ashamed for them. And educators deal with this crap daily having to be a teacher/administrator/nurse maid/psychiatrist/surrogate parent/comforter/court reporter/documentation specialist/etc, etc, etc. All the while being held to near impossible standards and work loads.
Remember folks .... little hellions, eventually become big ones with far worse consequences. And teachers are forced to deal with them daily. Bless them for what they do.
When parents are in denial that little Johnny would never punch a student in the face and make excuse after excuse…I shake my head and expect a long and difficult road for that family…possibly even leading to a future incarceration. It’s way easier to correct while they are young than when it’s too late and the cuffs go on…and the parent is still blaming that nagging kindergarten teacher.
The decline in student behavior I've seen since being in school in the 90's to now being an educator is truly frightening.
Sadly, I don't think there is much educators can do because discipline starts at home, and far too many parents refuse to discipline their children appropriately.
Agreed! 💯
I have been teaching for 16 years. This 100% accurate!!!!!! I hope this goes viral too! Thank you!!!!🙏🏽
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Yes!! When I was growing up, we were disciplined at home, at school, and from neighbors if needed. I never thought about disrespecting a teacher, or any adult for that matter! I am now a contributing citizen with manners. The level of entitlement that kids these days have is sad, but it definitely starts at home. Not to mention that mental health issues in kids these days is so sad. Thank you for posting
DITTO.
Australian primary teacher here. I am done. Last year, I was in tears most afternoons after work. Most of the kids were so rude, entitled, lazy and, I feel, intentionally bullied me. I had never had parents complain before, but got a bunch because I did things like ask their kid to move because they were chatting with their neighbour, confiscated something they should not have had in class, or wrote in their report that their behaviour was not great. All the behaviour management was exactly like what this video described. I begged for help from execs and got promises but nothing else. Then the school didn't renew my contract, essentially firing me.
I was going to completely quit teaching, but the job I was going to have got cancelled, so I'm just casual teaching now. Some days still suck, but no planning, no reports and if I don't like a class or school, I don't go back. Fortunately, schools are desperate for casuals so I'm ok, but I don't think there is any power on Earth that could get me to be a contracted teacher again.
Good riddance. The tables have turned and you authoritarian tyrants called “teachers” can’t take what you dished out. All of my good teachers were adored and were expertly able to maintain order in class without acting like Karen’s or psychos. It was the cunts that got bullied. I think you can see where I’m going with this.
I'm done with it too. I'm a teacher's assistant, and we have one kid in our class who deliberately does things as if the adults of the room aren't around or aren't coming back to deal with the mess and confusing he starts. What the real kicker is is that his mother is how most parents became now. "My baby does nothing wrong." In America especially, this statement continually being said as they grow, they will get caught up. They may not be ",doing nothing wrong" as a kid, but when they get in their teens and in adulthood, it isn't going to be easy for it to pass for them. Then you wonder why they end up in the hands of the police, or the ER doctors, or the morticians. But I just hope the parents remembered, "My baby did nothing wrong." when it comes down like this. If you're not teaching right from wrong in the beginning and taking responsibility then it's going to be hard for them to be taught or take responsibility for anything else. And it's going to be harder for the parents to find a way to defend them when they finally get caught in their tracks.
in my high school i was bullied by almost every kid in my year. no one ever got in trouble and they disrupted the lessons, shouted and screamed in lessons, humiliated me and other “weird” kids in lessons. and no one ever got in trouble. ever. it was a horrible environment for anyone to learn in and i just didn’t go to lessons anymore because the screaming and arguments were so overwhelming. and because of my autism i would completely shut down and cry. i taught myself more french, maths, geography, art and science in a little room in student services, than i ever learnt in that horrible environment.
From everything I hear the problem is parents. We don't want to go back to the days where abusive teachers hit kids. They didn't like with sticks, but parents have got into thinking that everyone is supposed to be your child's best friend 🖤💜
The parents shouldn't have had sex and became parents in the first place a lot of them.
Yes! There is a wide difference between paddling and what’s going on now, and I think somewhere in the middle is where we need to be. Consequences that make sense don’t have to be physical punishment or shaming a kid, but they do need to happen. A simple ‘your behaviour is unacceptable and this is the consequence which will be enforced’ discussion is needed, sometimes multiple times-but we do need consequences! I teach music; and one of the rules is of course no playing while I’m talking. Natural consequence? Playing while teacher is talking = instrument going away. Further infractions lead to not being allowed to participate at all in the room or being sent back to the main classroom, where they will be put right back to work on non-fun assignments such as good ol’ math sheets or spelling pages. Etc. We can’t have no consequences but they do not need to be physical.
A lot of the issue is simply poverty unfortunately. Poverty is at its highest in the USA since the Great Depression.
And world wide there are more slaves on the planet now than there were in the 1800s, starvation is the highest since the dust bowl and holodomor.
Simply put poverty has run rampant and you see the effects everywhere. For a lot of kids they quit because why care when 4 years of college still doesn’t get you a job much higher than Walmart
An Irish friend of my late husband was hit on his hand by a male teacher with a stick. Next class was football practice. The lad didn't know a gash on his hand would become infected. He nearly lost his thumb to blood poisoning by the time his mother realised what was going on. He survived and went on to become a world champion boxer. 😁
As a second year teacher I experienced some series culture shock being back in a classroom after working for over a decade before getting my teacher cert. PBIS was really big in my first school and it resulted in extreme bullying and drugs in the classroom. I had a student refuse to sit in his assigned seat and I sent him out after several outbursts. The principal brought him back and told him in front of all my students that he can pick his own seat. The admin just took my teeth away and I ended up not renewing with that school.
Brutal
@@lorischneiderstrom973 yeah admin likes to reward the kids we need help with making it worse
I don’t know how any teachers can stand it now. Kids having tantrums in stores, school, the parks, no discipline whatsoever. When I was in fifth grade, my main bully called our teacher a bitch to her face. She got paddled by the teacher, the principal, and her mother (when she came to the school to get her.) It was a glorious day when I heard about it. 😅
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They should have all been arrested and put in jail for child abuse
I don’t consider a paddle to the bud or to the wrist every now and then abusive. And as much as I try to make that a rare thing, or avoid that altogether, there’s a certain point where everything else you’re trying to do just isn’t enough and the kids actually do need it. The problem with spanking is that that there are too many parents who don’t understand the line and they don’t have the same line as you. They believe that slapping across the face is parenting too, for example. They The problem with spanking is that there are too many parents who don’t understand the line and they don’t have the same line as you. They believe that slapping across the face is parenting to, for example. They believe that cutting their children, thighs and buttocks area with the branches is parenting as well. Especially black parents. So that’s the reason why I have a time advocating that against spanking. Because even if you try to teach people the line, there’s so many parents that say “who are you to teach me how to parent?“. Or “I parent my kids the way I want to“. so, just do things your way I guess, and call child protective services on people who are clearly going overboard. But I think that that kid got exactly what he deserved in your story. Lol. Maybe three people doing it was too much, but whatever, lol.
@@lijohnyoutube101 No wonder your civilization is going down the toilet, you Americans are afraid to discipline kids!
@@lijohnyoutube101 its not abuse. Hitting a kid who does nothing wrong is considered abuse.
Wow, you're really on point with this stuff.
I was working in a school nurse's office for the past 3 years (no longer doing that kind of work) I was appalled with just how much kids get away with these days that I would have never been able to pull off back in my days.
I used to work alone, man....the nurse's office would be bombarded with kids all day long not wanting to go to class so they'd use the nurse's office as their "get out a jail card."
I remember the principal would tell me to let the ones that had gotten very little sleep the night before, I remember him telling me to let them nap for a while.
I'd ask the kids why they didn't sleep the night before, some of the students would tell me because they were up playing video games all night, or on their social media all night.
Man, what kind of nonsense!!
I'd be so frustrated because I believe the nurse's office should be used for what it's intended to be used for.
We are living in an era where teachers are viewed as parents and nannies in the another house named" school"
My middle son who is now 34….was punished as a child in elementary school for reporting to his teacher that another student kicked him in the balls. He was eight years old, and described the incident the best way he could. He was suspended for saying the word, balls. Nothing happened to the kid that kicked him. When I was called, I said perhaps both should be punished, but this was outrageous that my son be suspended for using words an 8 year old would use. Yes, I agree that there should be discipline in school. Especially in elementary school, but it should not become Petty, discipline should be given equally. I worked at ChildTime recently where time out wasn’t even allowed. I was used to the more structured environment of a regular school. These children were worse then animals. Dogs are more obedient. The hardest part of teaching is the Parents……they don’t parent well. They’re too busy with themselves. Good parents are few.
You definitely hit the nail on the head. Kids are not stupid, they know exactly what they are doing. One school I worked in the kids started a fight on a lower floor and the rest realized that no one was upstairs watching. All the security was downstairs and so they started fighting. The next day the discussions ran the gambit from what teachers would get attacked next to what students would start the 'riot' and where. The students quickly realized that they could over power the staff and the numbers were completely on their side. Very scary, but it is coming where highschool riots are a thing.
That’s what I saw at my sons high school. I went to get him for an appt one day & they were spilling out into the hallway, all screaming obscenities & going berserk while many of them towered over the teachers (all the damn hormonal shit in our food causing overgrowth?) & the teachers were looking very helpless & stressed. It was awful. I felt so sorry for everyone. What in the absolute fuck man?
As i get older, i started understanding what my elders always said: "If you don't learn respect at home, you're going to learn it on the streets, and it's always worse". We are teaching kids that everything is going to bend over to their ways if they cry or scream hard enough, a society were being a victim is seem as a virtue becomes a feedback loop of people seeking to victimize themselves ever and ever more to get what they want, that's what i see in both zoomers and the younger millenials.
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Im in California and I am 1000% agree with you the so called "Progressive" style of education is actually Regressive. America public schools are a disaster, bad students are getting all the resources and special privilege, while good students are being ignored. It is NOT helping the kids by any mean if they never learn the importance of taking responsibility and the meaning of negative consequences.
Progressive here. There's nothing remotely progressive about the educational policies. Please don't confuse the two. Real progressivism gave us most of our freedoms and benefits.
American public schools are absolutely a complete disaster! When did it change to the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many? One disruptive student controls the classroom, the rest of the students lose educational time and the disruptive student gets rewarded and bad behavior constantly reinforced. What a mess, if parents only knew what's happening in classrooms.
85% of children are not reading or able to math at their grade level. A teacher who focused on mentally disable d students testified they are doing so much better than normal children. We are going to have an evil society next Gen. and those students will be teaching the other Gen. time to get back to basics and go back to a time where things worked
"All of the attention still goes to the most misbehaved kids."
EXACTLY! I've been a high school teacher for many years, and I've been noticing this for several years now.
the squeaky wheel gets the oil, sadly
thats because theyre the ones who need it most; the students who are doing the best need the least help because theyre already doing well. the students who are doing poorly need more help and more attention so they can be on the same level as the students who are doing better.
@@ratofthecity6351 That depends on what you're using to measure "well." Some students who are performing really well academically may actually need a lot more support in other ways that they aren't getting because school systems treat children like academic success is all that matters :\
But do the well behaved kids need attention?
@@ratofthecity6351 and if you had been a high achiever you would recognize the many dangers of that mindset. Just because someone is behaving and doing well academically doesn't mean they don't have problems and need attention. The result is that they either end up also acting out because they notice the favoritism the bad kids get or they end up building an incredible amount of resentment and either start slacking off or have a meltdown later in life. And the bad kids...the attention reinforces their behavior. "Good students/kids" will be ignored both at school and at home because they're "doing fine".
Honestly, these terrible students end up growing into terrible partners whose spouses just keep coddling them and making excuses for them because "the bad ones need attention." They end in prison where society thinks they need to be coddled and protected even more than their victims. It's all part of this same nonsense mindset.
I’m forwarding this to our superintendent and all our board members because this is exactly spot on. I substituted for 22 years and not only the abuse that I get but the disheartened teachers I hear from every week and it stems from this BS: everybody feels good and gets a trophy mentality.
Schools are so afraid of getting sued now so they let the kids do what they want.
Those school board members will probably not have the intelligence to understand anything being discussed in the video.
You said it all, no exaggerations, just real life truth. The school I taught in this past year lost 26 certified teachers, about a third of the certified staff at the school. The principals never had the teachers’ backs. They were scared to death of parents and their superiors so they caved to whatever parents and kids said. My stories of this year would make jaws drop. Thanks for your comments. I’m sharing this.
They love it when teachers high on the salary scale leave - they can then hire 2 for 1 - and will get a naive, warm body to fill the space. Someone who doesn't know better and thinks they will change the world!
Thank you for this video. I am a first year teacher in the inner city and I got yelled at for raising my voice at a student who jumped a boy 3 years younger than him and twice his size. His punishment was one day ISS and the other boy received a trip to the hospital. We are setting these kids up to fail without consequences!
That's so sad! 😭 I hope the young man recovers quickly!🙏 Inner-city teachers are heroes! ❤️ Stay strong, friend! 💪
THREE years younger 😭😭😭
i could not agree more, as a senior in high school it’s incredible how little respect some of these kids have for the teacher and what they say about them is insane. community service i think would be the best punishment, not aggressive or hurtful or anything at all and actually has a benefit
That would work if the kids will actually do it. My old high school did that and when the kids were punished with community service, they would come up with some lame excuse and be let off....
@@crapz2395 teachers don't have any respect for parents considering what children are taught today
I am in my 60s and had undiagnosed learning difficulties due to being 2.5 months premature and having physical health issues as well. I was extremely underweight. From the beginning of kindergarten until the first week of high school I was very bullied. I will never forget the day in my first week of high school when I was being bullied and a grade 13 male 0:03 “student stopped in the hallway and told those bullying me. “ This is high school, you don’t do that here. “ I don’t think I got bullied in school again afterwards.
When high school was about being mature. Such good times.
As a parent, I'll tell you what the problem is. It's other parents. I had a kid when I was 16. A JUNIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL! My son is going into high school next year and has been accepted to the #1 school in the state. As someone who had to work full time to support my son while finishing school, my kid should probably be one of the most neglected and worst behaved children. Yet, he's thriving. His teachers praise his behavior and academics.
While I will agree that there are some people that are wired in a way that will prevent them from ever being well behaved, I believe the majority of kids act the way they do because parents forget that they are supposed to give a shit. That's all it takes. Just give a shit. Make sure your kids know you love them. Make sure your kids know you're paying attention to their school work. And make sure your kids know that they will be punished for messing up. That's all it takes for kids to act decent.
What is a punishment though? Whenever I mess up (which is not often because I'm one of those rare kids who have common sense) like not turning one assignment in or getting a bad grade they just tell me to do better and that's all. I know my responsibilities I just forget that I have them because my memory is not good. The only reason I get away with it is because everyone in my environment knows I'm a good student who behaved well, treats most teacher like another friend and turns everything in the next day or the next class. I love most of my teachers and treat them with the respect they deserve just for being a higher authority, the only time I snapped back at a teacher was because I wasn't emotionally stable because I had a lot of shit going on at the moment 😞.
@@joshuepico75 When my son forgets to do assignments, I make him do them on the weekend. Even if they don't count for his grade he needs to learn that he can't escape responsibility by ignoring it. The fact that he doesn't get to have fun with his friends on the weekends seems to be punishment enough for him to turn in most of his assignments. But you have to start when they're really little. Teach them to have manners and to be respectful from the time they're children. If you make sure they grow up respectful, you'll have few problems with them when they get older.
@@darkdudironaji Yeah, that's what my parents did, but the ones forcing me to do my assignments when I forget aren't my parents, I do it myself and ask the teacher if I could deliver it by next class and I HAVE to deliver on my word because if I don't they won't trust that I will. Also if I wanna be a competent adult when I get out of high school I should know not to rely on my parents and accept my responsibilities and its consecuences if I don't deliver 😊
Idk, I got stuck in a spiral of constantly messing up when I was a kid and was never able to figure out what mistakes I was making because I was constantly getting punished for every little thing. My grades suffered terribly because this treatment created serious anger and self-esteem issues. It wasn't until I got kicked out of home at 18 and gained a little freedom that I finally learned the importance of real-world actions and their consequences. Point, don't be _too_ eager to punish. A bit of positive reinforcement can *really* drive a person forward.
🙌🙌🙌🙌This! ☝All day!
Hi, eighth grader here. I have to admit, the comment on how worse behaved students are rewarded more is so true. I was a really well-behaved student all throughout my elementary years, but in seventh grade I started noticing how the worse kids got more prizes, were noticed more, and had closer relationships with staff. Likewise, I'm ashamed of it because it caused me to act up more, talk louder, and interrupt class. Well, I got what I wanted. Gladly, I realized how wrong it was for me to do those things and stopped after one or two months because I could see how hurt my favorite teachers would get and would award me just for me to stop. The awarding the worst kids unfortunately still goes true, sadly I cannot help my teachers much.
Don't worry about these small gifts. When you are 30 you will have a good job and have things you want (not all) and those kids will will be in jail, homeless, unemployed, etc.
BLESS YOUR HEART😊.
Hey. I’m a sophomore. I wholeheartedly agree with what you’re saying.
Don’t fall into the bad crowds of school and stick to your heart.
You’re already on the right path of responsibility.
@@yemyearmii7231 thanks for the kind words!
@@mdarrenuyes sir very true I was always put down because of my learning disability in school but just as recently I've learned that most kids I went to school with are either homeless or unemployed like you said while I'm still college pursuing my degree...
After 17 years, I quit last month with no regrets. I have moved on to a non-teaching position at a university. I refuse to deal with disrespectful children and parents, and passing students who are not there to learn because it “looks bad” if they don’t. I’m at peace!
First of all, thank you! I’ve worked at a daycare and I had to quit. These kids were manipulative and misbehaved. I decided to change my major because there’s no way in hell I’ve make it as teacher!! I salute you 🫡
I'm sorry you had to make the decision not to pursue teaching. It really is a joy when the kids love to learn and are excited about school. Sadly, the teachers of today are doing very little teaching and a whole lot of re-directing, de-escalating, guiding children BACK to their seat , basically PARENTING them on how to behave properly and appropriately! ANd this is not always just that "one" kid...there are about a dozen major behavior issue kids in one class. I'm so ready for the 2022-23 school year to be OVER!!! I hope school officials make drastic changes in discipline policies next school year. But they probably won't. =(
@@wildaboutjackwild6002 yeah, it's not about teaching when you waste half the class trying to get some students to take out a pencil