I had a homie who passed away, and can from a family of weed farmers in Cali who had bombbbbb chronic before it was legalized, and their last name was stoner
Around 2015, my doctor put me on Fentanyl patches after I broke my back. I was severe pain, and they did help. I had no side effects or problems - until we moved. Some idiot packed the box with my remaining Fentanyl patches in a box of shoes. My patch needed to be changed, and we couldn't find it anywhere. After it wore off, I got sicker than I had ever been in my life. My boyfriend called my doctor ( I was throwing up too much to), explained the situation and asked for a new prescription. She refused. I got sicker and sicker. He was frantically going through boxes and after a few days found the box of shoes with the patches in it. Only then did I stop throwing up. I later told my doctor that I wanted off the stuff, immediately, and she weaned me off it. Horrible experience.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that treating physicians won’t even write you a small prescription to give you a chance to find your medication without needing an er visit in between. I’m so sorry you had to suffer like that.
The illicit fentanyl problem is so sad. It was the only thing that worked on my daughter’s pain when she was in palliative care and it was a big responsibility to monitor her and change her patches and dispose of them correctly. We had to jump through hoops each month to get it and people looked askance at us when we talked about it but it was worth it. Fentanyl made her last year of life bearable. It was a godsend for us and I support its use. I grieve for its rampant misuse.
I’m deeply sorry for your loss. 😢 Treating severe pain is a human right but can be difficult to safely provide and dispose of powerful pain medication. I commend you for going to the trouble of getting your daughter the relief she deserved, as well as for properly disposing of old patches so they couldn’t endanger anyone else. All of your efforts mattered and I hope you know that. Please take good care of yourselves - your daughter would want that. Again, I am so sorry for your loss. May peace be with you and your family. ❤
@@unturned6066I work at a hospital in nyc and people will go crazy for fentanyl. The problem is when it’s not controlled and people abuse it along with the street market
@@littleredchucks2758 yeah, the problem as I see it is recreational use. And too open to use it on "minor" injuries, that aren't worth the high risk of addiction.
Since the drug hits you harder and quicker, the down side is you get withdrawal quicker and way worse than other opiates... so much harder to try to get off of too... so lucky I made it out with 2 years+ sober... keep your head up fellow addicts...
ive heard anecdotal reports that most users would prefer oxy or heroin to fent, that fent just wards off withdrawal and instantly puts them in a heavy nod with very little of the euphoria associated with opioids.
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@@benjamingrunbaum3601former heroin addict- I was strung out for over a decade. Fent is straight trash compared to a good batch of heroin. I even prefer morphine to fentanyl. Fent’s doesn’t touch the euphoria that real dope does. It also wears off extremely quickly- especially for those of us who are physically dependent in/addicted to opiates. On hit of will keep withdrawal at bay for a good 6-12 hours, depending on how your body metabolizes opiates. Regardless- none of it’s good for you. Avoid at all costs.
@@benjamingrunbaum3601 depends on the fent. There are actually quite some analogs out there and god knows which ones are on the illicit markets, same goes for zenes. But alphamethyl-fentanyl, which is sometimes sold as 'China White', actually has longer 'legs' than your average fent and is less potent, making it recreationally far more appealing, although I have not had it myself. (Im from the EU, not US which is quite important in these matters) Of all opi's I tried (and I tried quite a few) fent, even though pharmaceutical grade, was the most dissapointing. Only skyrocketed my tolerance and had nasty WD's (but by far not the worst). Personally, I like oxies because they are much more stimulating and more euphoric than H. But oxies won't produce same effect when redosed and there are also a lot of varieties of H (e.g. country of origins;). And a lot more variety when it comes to quality: high quality is very rare unless you spend time and top dollar to get some from the 'darker places of the internet'.
I'm a hospice nurse and we have an entire protocol for fentanyl patch disposal. We have to take each patch out of the package, peel it off the backing, stick it to itself, mix it with used coffee grounds, kitty litter, or dish soap. Each patch has to be disposed of in a separate bag. We also have the family sign that they witnessed the destruction of the patches and verified the count.
I remember I had to sign that i witnessed hospice dispose of all the left over liquid morphine and ativan after my grandpa passed. The nurse arrived maybe 10 minutes after he passed and she disposed of it all literally a minute or 2 after arriving. Wasted no time haha. They poured the liquids and also put the pills in a ziploc bag, mixed it with dish soap and water, then gave it a nice shake. Had me sign and then asked me to go throw it away for them. Thought it was overkill but i understand why they do it.
@@kmdkrohnimagine being given fentanyl patches for legitimate horrible chronic pain while going through 8 surgeries over two years and after the last surgery the doctor cutting you off and not withdrawing you off it at all. No valium no gabapentin no nothing went from 25mcg patches to nothing. Imagine what that would do to you at 23 years old also. That propelled me into 18 years of illicit opiate use and a life of a hell on Earth. Just like what widespread prescribing of Oxycontin did to people especially a lot of young people. I'm very glad SOME people in hospice can get the pain relief they need because I've seen numerous people die that didn't and that's horrible, I remember when my sisters grandpa in law was dying and she asked me if I knew where to get any opiates because the doctors wouldn't give him enough when he was dying of cancer at 85. And I can cite MANY other examples like that. The war on drugs is a JOKE and it just hurts people in a lot of people pain especially. Before I was prescribed fentanyl I was a firefighter with over 3 years on the force and starting a career in it and doing GREAT. And I was never abusing the patches when the doctor said you're done with your last surgery you're not going to need these anymore. I never abused patches ever. I was able to do my job on the patches and do everything in life fine even with the surgeries. And when I couldn't get them my life completely fell apart and had a physical and mental sickness that most people can imagine in their worst nightmares. By keeping opiates illegal we are only hurting sick people and especially people in tons of pain and even the ones that can get opiates have to jump through tons of hoops to get them and we're hurting the most vulnerable people in our society. What I went through I wouldn't put any of the 9/11 suicide bombers through it was that bad. I'm very glad you do what you do and hopefully you add comfort and peace to people on their way out. GOD BLESS YOU 🙏!!!!! 😇🙏💖🌌🌠🕊️👍
True but not for the reason you would think. I know from experience too. Yes it would kill non users or users with an extremely low tolerance. However if you know you have an extremely high tolerance then you would seek it out because it would go a lot further. I use to do sometimes up to 2 grams a day of somewhat decent stuff but if it was the stronger stuff I could cut that down to a gram or less. People try to make it sound like addicts are out searching for the stuff that killed someone because they too have a death wish when that's absolutely not the case for most. It's basic economics. You pay the same or at least close to the same for better stuff that lasts longer. Not that hard to understand. Yet to hear it from the media everyone is just trying to off themselves.
@@H.h.farms5089true. I’m an opiate addict in recovery and definitely shot my share of fent and it’s not a death wish but as you said seeking out something that hasn’t been cut as much to go further given my tolerance
I was addicted to oxys really bad in the early 2000s and thank God I got clean. Now I am stage 4 cancer and ended up in the hospital barely 110lbs due to not eating or sleeping due to pain. They gave me oxys but I was too scared to use them for fear of relapse. I was honest with palliative care and they put me on the fentanyl patch. Almost a year later , the pain is controlled and I haven't relapsed or gotten high. The patch works
Unless you're cutting up, chewing on the patch they are not easy to get high on, nor are they meant for that. I think pain patches are generally fantastic and safer for people in pain. Their biggest risk is to others who have no tolerance to pain meds. I have been worried to go swimming in case my patch fell off and stuck on someone (It doesn't work like that but still the worry is there.) Congrats on getting clean I hope you beat the Cancer.
not as deadly as it sounds, he was soaking used patches to extract any remaining fentanyl after usage, its extremely common. I had a lady come in screaming about her patches and she was chewing on one and then spit it on the counter all mad. Good times.
I've had Fentanyl a few times in hospital. I use opioid pain relief at home, but this stuff knocked me on my ass. Which I guess was the point. But still, they gave me a patch or a tablet and I felt my brain slip away within a few short minutes. When I came back to myself it was all over. Wonderful HOSPITAL drug. The idea people are running around giving it to themselves is terrifying.
Same! I panicked when the doctor mentioned that I would be given Fentanyl for pain (via IV) as well as the traditional knock out stuff and it was scary how quickly it took effect and how long it lasted. I don't think I counted to 5 before I was out.
Ex heroin/fentanyl addict here. It's a worse high that doesn't last as long but it's so cheap for the everyday user to get it's impossible to get away from
RIP to my friend lost in 2024. Now Im almost 50 and this was my friend since I was 16. What you dont hear about is the brain damaged caused when someone survives an OD. Almost as bad as death.
Similar happened to a friend’s brother. They didn’t know if he’d wake up, when he finally did, he had severe damage, like productive aphasia, being unable to speak.
I’m sorry for your loss. But dont he sorry for your friend. Finally he is free of this scourge like he always dreamed off. The grief you feel is yours , feel better in knowing your friend is happy and if out there rooting for you too. I lost my brother 2 years ago, he didn’t OD he had epilepsy, and I noticed his brain damage getting worse after each seizure. He smoked a lot of weed and took the odd Valium. But what killed him was simply not being able to get a doctor to assess him and he kept forgetting to take his tabs. What killed me was in his bag I found a letter a from the health department of our government (Ireland) that wanted to know if he was still interested in his brain scan appointment as it had been delayed due to c.o.v.i.d , He signed it but hadn’t yet sent it back. Then he died. My youngest brother of 6 26 yrs old. I have other brothers who are totally fucked on heroin and crack or whatever they can get. Yet they don’t OD. They live seemingly risk free in an out of jail. While mark died, I do not wish one of them died instead but why did he have to. Life is unfair man. I take comfort in knowing now mark can see and meet his mother. She fell down the stairs and died when mark was 6months old I was 9 . I was the oldest mark was the youngest. He never knew her. I did, barely , and all I remember is hash, Valium and alcohol in my childhood. Mark knew worse from his. And YES I do believe something else exists outside this Place, Good luck in your life friend.
As a recovered addict, the only reason i am not dead is because i always did small test doses first. Its power is insane. It is debilitating. So many have underestimated it or treated like typical heroin and thats why so many have been lost, including many dear friends
Yep, opiates are danger in general but Fent is a different beast. I always did a small test dose as well and it saved my life countless times. I've lost so many friends to that beast and have had close calls myself even with all the safety measures I strictly follow.
It's not talked about enough. I'm surprised this video even appeared in my timeline - Knox Hill released a tune called Fentanyl (he lost a close cousin to it), and the YT algo seems to have squashed its reach.
I was a functioning addict for over a decade on oxeycoton, Roxy then horion.. I was fine even on H .. but fentanyl is a different animal... If not for Suboxone I would b dead .. clean over 2 years now thank God I made it through..I'm a lucky one...
Good luck getting off subs. It's worse. Doable but physically worse. Instead of a week or so of acute wd it's weeks-months. Its an insanely long acting synthetic opiate. Welp the WDs are incredibly long lasting and every bit as uncomfortable but for a long time. Kratom is a lifesaver. Don't forget it
@notyouraveragegoldenpotato my job test for that ... I got a script for box ... And I'm alive and stable so I don't really care if I take them for life , at least I have one 2 live...I would b dead without it ...
What makes drugs lethal is the lack of quality controls. Alcohol turns deadly when it's prohibited and regulated by whatever the gangsters decide are regulations.
I can't imagine who would 'want them'...Its a street drug, by definition 'cooked up' by somebody who doesn't provide a SDS, credibility, etc. Its one thing to 'accept not knowing' how much your cane has been cut w/ lido or something like that...its just 'less powerful'. The base drug isn't very fatal, except in doses of 10x of grams Its a different issue when the base drug is extremely FATAL, 1milligram being fatal for most. In such case 'not knowing' = akin to self unaliving. Even from neurotic state of an addict, nothing about that makes sense. Addicts don't 'want to self unalive', they want to keep the high going.
Remember Miami Vice? Drugs bust, Crocket produces a knife and cuts into a package. He removes a tiny speck, tastes it and drops dead. “Yep, that’s Fentanyl” says Tubbs,,,,
I've just finished watching the first season, I don't actually recall him tasting anything? Are you thinking of Mel Gibson's character in the Lethal Weapon?
I'm a prison officer, a prisoner got smuggled in what he believed was Ketamin, what he actually got was Fentanyl and Heroin, he ended up needing emergency medical intervention to avoid full organ failure...... was horrible to watch, he's alive and recovered now, I've no idea how he survived
Organ failure? There was more than fent in it then or it was a bad batch, usually just shuts down your respiratory system. Organ failure occurs from long term use.
I have done this in the past for years and never overdosed once but I never injected anything ever. I am off now after 20 years. Best and hardest thing I ever have done. I detoxed from over 20 years in 8 hours of absolute hell in the hospital with Suboxone. My life is normal now and I have things I could never afford before. A wonderful woman that loves me is the best thing in my life. No drug comes close to her. I am not even joking one bit.
I was saved by someone who cared about me enough to out her own addiction to her bf in order to save my life. She was clean for months and died from it last April. She would have been 35 on the 22nd of January. I have a list of people that I know who have died from street fent...it's almost 20 people deep in the last 4 years. Hers is the only death I truly mourn, she has a son thats growing up without her, and I don't have any kids. There are days I wish she was here, and I wasn't. I've been clean from it for 3 years now.
I’ve accidentally overdosed on heroin half a dozen times. I think one of the creepiest things about experiencing an overdose is the general lack of awareness during the overdose. There’s no suffering, there’s no pain. You simply cease to exist, and that is it. Like finally falling asleep at night, except it’s curtains forever. If you’re lucky, you wake up in an ambulance with naloxone wreaking havoc on your brain. That’s the only time you’ll ever feel pain-but it’s hardly a consequence worthy of abstinence. Sadly most drug users will get high the very next day.
Talked with a street musician a couple days ago - he said one of the things that kept him off meth after he went into rehab was, when they did bloodwork on him, he tested positive for fentanyl. That scared the crap out of him, and so far he's stayed clean. "Fentanyl, that's scary shit," he said. "You fall asleep and never wake up."
I have always found it fascinating that no one talks about the drug problem in terms of the people that are taking the drugs It’s like saying if you just outlawed guns, no one would get murdered People have to make their own choices and no amount of regulation is ever going to stop that
As a Dr I’d like to point out that these are Chemicals and that different drugs require different levels of training & professional qualifications to handle or administer. Opioids are safe, when used under the right directions & qualified supervision. The political classification of medications and the way the laws are written & implemented that’s creating the harm that Fentanyl is the current fixation of. It’s not to say it’s dangerous, but we accept risk with other chemicals and regulate them. The unregulated, under-regulated, and inconsistent management surrounding addictive drugs and poisons means that fentanyl has a had impact it has had. We can use the drugs safely and the government policy needs to be evidence based rather reactionary, is how we got here. The profit is a big part of the equation. But the problem with the drug war is the sheer amount of misinformation that has been able to perpetuate due to the inability to legally release safe info or resources.
Like all drugs, legal or illicit, they will be abused. Regulations and information reduce overdoses, but is often equated to enabling negative behaviour. It has been shown that reducing poverty, and making health services cheaper, reduces the abuse rate, all for less cost compared to reactionary measures?
Init me n my m8 gitvsumnither day sold as heroin n 6 lines smoked n I was out 4 hours we thought it was just amazing gear till my other m8 tested it we get testing kits at methadone clinic 4 fent n nitazinies.. n it's gettingvworse
As well as prohibition the government seen how rich n powerful gangsters get of it imho the government let's it in I can't post a can ov deodorant but tonnes of gear get into uk every day
The smart people trust the science and don't do drugs. The less smart people on the other hand... So yeah, the war on drugs is working as expected, and the war on drugs will only become more effective if our people are properly educated and led to make better choices regarding their health. Unfortunately many people are allergic to education. Drugs are seriously bad for you, there is no debate at this point imo - all of the commercials released decades ago such as this is your brain on drugs are accurate. Those commercials have stood the test of time. Some might have thought they were fearmongering, those people turned out to be catastrophically wrong.
Tachyphylaxis is the phenomena that the body will start resisting higher doses. Similar to how exogenous steroids will shrink endogenous glands. Presumably if a person is taking an elephant tranquilizer he or she has been doing it a long time.
True sadly, a lot of amphetamine and coke was spiked with it for a while for example. And it was popular amongst young adults to smoke patches for a while.
15:02 This happened to me! I had bought a training collar for my dog a few years or so ago and instead of the collar, they sent me a spoon on a chain! I was mortified and tossed it out right away and never bothered for a refund. So unsettling...
I've had fentanyl pills as an anesthetic in a hospital before they administer the actual anesthetic on top of it. So basically a double layer anesthetic before I got a bone marrow sample taken. Those pills they give in the hospital only contain 100 micrograms but its still effective, thats how strong fentanyl is. Its crazy to think drugs on the streets are being laced with something thats even stronger than what pure fentanyl already is.
I've had it in hospital also. It was fabulous in that context. They gave it to me, took me to theatre, gave me more drugs and took bone samples from my spine and pelvis. I don't remember anything after taking the pill and resting on the pillow. Anything stronger than that is crazy, out cold in 4 mins, how much more effective does it need to be?
I had to have a bone biopsy of my jaw done. I have a couple of genetic conditions that make me process medication faster/take higher doses than expected which they knew about. Still they did a great job and I had no pain during. They wheeled me out (female, 5’1) and told my partner (6’5 male) “we had to give her enough fentanyl to knock a man your size out, she wouldn’t stop TALKING. 😂
Let’s not forget though that fentanyl has legitimate and valuable medical uses. Prehospitally, it’s great for pain control for injuries and can be administered by a paramedic in an ambulance. Very useful for things like fractures and painful dislocations.
I'm halfway through, and I hope you mention the biggest reason fetty and its analogues got "popular" in the first place, within the black market. Because, it's cheap. Really, really cheap. Which means dealers can cut it into anything they can, stretch their supply, and make more money. And the "customers" are absolutely expendable, when you're selling the product that can damn near instantly hook, pretty much everyone.
Meanwhile I can’t even get a proper opiate prescription for a condition I’ve had since I was a teenager because the drug laws are cracking down on the wrong people. My doctor writes me the biggest prescription he’s legally allowed to, I have literally no other option for pain management, and this stupid bureaucratic government refuses to let me get full treatment. The pill mills were healthier than prohibition, and people like me didn’t have to suffer for no reason. I cannot express the level of hatred I have for prohibitionists.
Long term patient in New Zealand here. Our system allows doctors to register long term patients, I get the same script every month, collected weekly from the same pharmacy. I've been on oxycodone for 16 years now. There's noting more to be done, they just don't want me to suffer.
Yeah, my grandmother was on Darvocet for years, now she takes tramadol. However these past 2 weeks she's been in and out of the hospital with severe back pain. She's getting surgery later this week. Yet the doctors weren't willing to prescribe her anything even though she has a long history with no abuse and she's 85. I was pretty pissed, if the doctors didn't think she qualified. Idk who would.
You should be more upset at those abusing the drugs for creating the problem that regulators are trying to solve. If everyone was using the drugs properly and responsibly, there wouldn't be prohibitionists.
The first time I encountered it, when we used it as emergency medication while I was doing my civil service as a paramedic. I never would have guessed that 20 years later it would be used as 'normal' pain medication or as a street-drug...
They don't feel as good as heroin. It's like THC without the terpines. But the withdrawal is 10x worse, annoying, uncomfortable. It's hard to believe anything could be that much worse than H withdrawal when you don't even get the same pleasure. Easy for your tolerance to go threw the roof because you're just doing a tiny amount but yeah imagine withdrawal from doing an OZ. Of H a day. Your body feels like your bones are trying to turn inside out. Some analogs won't even take much pain away, just make you tired and are easy to OD from. Also imagine dropping all your stuff because it knocks you out and you constantly lose everything and have to start over after one hit constantly 😭
AI playing more significant role in stuff like drug discovery (not necessarily bad in a vaccuum) means AI could accelerate the development of fentanyl analogues.
@@shinkicker404 no one will ever convince me China isn’t doing it on purpose. They sent manufactured fent originally then the U.S. complained, so they sold the precursors and the how tos to Mexican cartels with a “don’t use this to make fent” *wink wink*
As a Canadian with family in Law enforcement, I have it on good word that the majority of 'heroin' confiscated in the last year here is carfentanyl or fentanyl cut with pure caffeine, usually in a matrix of some non-drug substance. Actual heroin is the minority in drug busts. Not sure if this is related to the Taliban cutting production and troubles in Myanmar but a lot of it is made in drug labs here which are very organized international operations typically set up in small communities to hide from law enforcement. They buy in precursors from China, hire in international "talent" and produce at industrial scale. They export a lot to the US. This of course applies to busts that have occured in the last year or so that I hear about, and tend to cover a different market than the usual rural meth cooks.
Californian here, used to get REAL black tar heroin, last dealer I knew got busted and ALL I could find ANYWHERE even near the border was Fentanyl, found Fake Heroin laced with Fent once but yea Heroins gone. Fent sucks in comparison high is nothing near as good as H, but fent destroyed my life so quickly it forced me to get sober unlike Heroin which I could function and work on. Thank you Fentanyl for that, I guess
@@disastrousduckling You're probably right about needing morphine first being the limiting factor, fentanyl percursors are much easier to get. Supply and dosage also means that they don't need to synthesize nearly so much to fulfil orders.
@@disastrousducklingto make brown H Nr3, you only need opium and one single chemical precursor plus a few Ph-measure sticks. They literally cook it in old oil barrels in Afghanistan. 7kg Opium = 1kg brown H Nr3
*My Nephew died of a Fentanyl overdose. He was 26 and in a Jail Cell when it happened. Nobody knows how or where he got ahold of the drug, but many people have said it came from one of the Jailers.*
Watching my dad learn that a good friend of his overdosed and died from fentanyl-laced products was, for lack of a better word, sobering. It's likely one of many, unfortunately. He's a great person who loves to help wherever he can, but addiction is one hell of a bitch and he and my grandma (his mom) know that more than anything. I've sworn off of alcohol and recreational drug use for as long as I can manage since the genetics for substance abuse run in our family.
I just typed out a VERY long comment saying this same exact thing. I love how you said it in so few words, and made the same point that I was trying to make. Succinct and, in my opinion, absolutely true!
Former Heroin/Fentanyl smoker here. What exactly did it do to you? Incredibly deadly drug no doubt but first time I tried it I simply nodded out same with every single other time untill I full on OD'd once and got sober. Did you OD and have lung/brain damage or what happened exactly?
A lot of "accidental" Fentanyl overdoses are similar. I work in healthcare and deal with hospice patients frequently. Those in a lot of pain, particularly cancer pain, are given Fentanyl. As the US has no merciful death laws, it isn't entirely uncommon for orders to come in for "replacement" benzos from a "spilled bottle." Rather than allow Granny to scream for 3 days straight until the cancer takes her naturally, many a family may allegedly, hypothetically, accidentally give her an extra dose (or three) of Xanax and and an extra Fentanyl patch... for someone already so far gone, the synergistic respiratory depressant effects can finish them off. "Accidentally," of course. But, it can also fail and leave them short on medication and sick from side effects.
In New Zealand people dying in serious pain are medicated with opiates to the freaking gills. In other cases, with drawn out deaths, families some times ask doctors if their loved one "could be in pain but unable to say?" At that point the doctor will often say yes, and give the poor patient a large dose, just in case. This will often see them off gently, "in their sleep", instead of drawn out dehydration/starvation.
I suspect my late adoptive sister, once a registered nurse, was in a situation like that, she called me that December and we talked, she sounded fine, and then she said she had stage 4 lung cancer (lifelong 2 packs a day smoker, Benson & Hedges menthol 100s) she was not going to do radiation, chemo etc and she was gone in January, I don't believe the cancer killed her that fast.
I also worked in late stage cancer treatment and the 'forbidden knowledge' of what might happen if one applied a fentanyl patch or two to the inside of your mouth was passed around amongst the patients. (disclaimer: Don't do that!!) People would ask me about that stuff in the short privacy of elevator rides.
@@thehangmansdaughter1120 my dad was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease in 2014. He is doing really well for someone in their late 70's with the disease. What scares me the most, is that so many people with severly advanced Parkinson's, usually starve to death, or choke, because they are no longer able to swallow. My dad has a DNR and also has an advanced directive saying he does not want a feeding tube. I have heard that dehydration and starving to death are incredibly painful. It is also horrific for the families to watch someone they love pass this way. I just hope and pray that my father will have a doctor that helps him pass without suffering.
In room with my doctor, surgeon, several nurses, and a technician I mentioned I’d had fentanyl three times. The room went silent. “Twice in an ER and once in an ambulance.” Everyone laughed.
Nitazenes are the new thing popping up. That stuff is absolutely a bullet in powder form. It makes fent look like bubble gum. Naloxone barely touches it, and they're SUPER fast acting.
I have friends who are fucked, what are they supposed to do when the methadone can’t seem to touch this, seems to me one would need to be weaned using this stuff
I just watched a video about nitazenes before coming here to watch this video. Just hearing about those scared the crap out of me, and it has been 30 years since I did any recreational drugs.
@DarkFire1536 that shit is CRAZY. They were created and they shortly after found out that they were so strong, they had zero medical application. They're absolutiely brutal.
As a Canadian, part of me is surprised that the port with the highest amount of fentanyl analogues isn't Prince Rupert. That place has ALWAYS been a massive drug hotbed. There are more OD's there per capita than anywhere else in the country.
Man I can’t import Ettan snus into the US without customs searching every package. Maybe if I switched to dope customs wouldn’t give me so much static?
My best friend of 25 years just overdosed over christmas. Almost certainly a Fentanyl analog. Dude had been working on getting clean. Either his tolerance dropped or whatever he got was bad.
Nothing feels like fentanyl. Once you have it you want more. It feels so good. The downside is the chance for overdose and the worst withdrawals you could possibly have. It took me about 3 years to begin to feel normal again. It left me depressed and anhedonic. I saw a lot of hospitals. I even had ECT to try and lift my mood. It was a desperate time. Now it has been almost 7 years. I'm just now getting my life back. I was on prescription fentanyl. Buying it on the street is playing Russian Roulette. The death toll is staggering. The solution is to let addicts have what they want, but in a safe way so that the drugs they are using are tested and controlled so that overdoses and needle sharing are eliminated. Opiates are cheap. Let people have them. Then be ready to help when they're ready to change. That would put the cartels out of business too. An added bonus.
They've been 'letting them do it' for quite some time now. That's worked out fabulous especially in LA. No more giving them anything. You take the wrong dose, you od. No more 10 f'n narcans, get the person off the brink of death then they go right back to it within a few hours? Wtf was the Narcan for? Addicts themselves say it takes at least 7 times, and of that 8 out of 10 will still go right back to the drugs.
I enjoyed reading your comment. I am so happy for you taking your life back. I listened to a radio talk show for a decade, and the host was always talking about how the war on drugs isn't and has never worked. If drugs were legal, they could be regulated more effectively. All of the money that the government has spent fighting the war on drugs, would be put to better use funding treatment facilities. Like you said, some kind of regulation and legalization would eventually put many cartels out of business. This would in turn, cut down on drug related crimes, and more importantly, prevent a lot of deaths. I think it is difficult for people to see legalizing drugs as a solution to the drug epidemic. At first glance, it doesn't make sense. Especially for highly addictive drugs. In my opinion, this solution will never happen in my lifetime. I am 52 years old. I try not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but my guess is that the illegal drug trade is lucrative for more people than just the cartels and dealers. Anyway, great job on getting clean!
@CindyandRicoTheCoonhoundCross I have worked for the SA in Seattle for nearly 13 years. I deal with druggies and alcoholics 12 hours a day for 13 years. I help them get trauma counseling, but few really stick with it. They use anything as an excuse. One person I worked with had been through counseling several times and through rehab over 40 times.
You think that matters? I had nothing to live for disabled at age 20 still unable to even put the words to the mental issues i was going through because society didn't accept them yet. Being sober would driven me to suicide faster tbh.
@@HolgerDanskeSA as in salvation army? The fact you call them druggies shows you don't try empathize with them or communicate with them as equals so it stands to reason you never actually knew them.
I had heart surgery 4 years ago to repair a leaky valve, they kept asking if I wanted pain relief, and I really didn't have any real pain, just VERY sore if I rolled onto my side or the like, I kept saying no thanks, other than tylenol once mostly to be polite to the nurse I guess. They sent me home with a big bottle of oxy and other junk, I never touched the oxy and didn't need it
One question -- Why, instead of waging a war you can't win, don't governments focus on dealing with the reason people turn to drugs? Low standards of life, poverty, depression and related mental conditions, and addiction to morphine from treatments in hospital. If the governments provided a way for the people to quit the drugs, safely, with no fear of repercussion, and helped them re-integrate into normal society by finding them a place to live, and helping them find a stable source of income, then I believe the very reason people take drugs would go down. I believe that's what Switzerland has done, and it successfully _ended_ the war on drugs.
It's obnoxious. First we mainly needed to be worried about our other drugs being contaminated with fentanyl, and now even people straight up looking for fentanyl gotta be worried about that being cut/contaminated with a bunch of other even more dangerous things. Everything fun is doomed to be ruined
is the problem isn't it? if you invent a better mousetrap, someone will invent a better, far more addictive and lethal mouse and they'll get that mouse into every house no matter how big or hardworking the cat that tries to keep it out.
Some individuals lives are made far more liveable by mice! Super mice are invented for a reason. Some of us need them, just like a diabetic needs insulin ‘mice’. Chronic pain patients need “opioid mice” 😊
I work at a syringe services program, and it's not the fent analogues that are the problem coming, it's the the nitazazine class, which can range from 50 to 500 times more potent than fent, with metaisonitazazine at that 500 mark. There have already been directions of a number of this class of substances in over dose and seizures in the last few years. It's no joke, this stuff can't be safely handled without lab equipment and equivalent level skill and knowledge. Scary stuff.
Weaker and safer opioids should fully legalized and we'd have much less lethal overdoses from fentanyl. I've been in chronic pain for the past 15 years and am unable to get any painkillers anymore even though I've never abused them. Instead of using any street drugs I've resorted to drinking copious amounts of red vein kratom tea which tastes disgusting and kills my appetite, but it does at least help somewhat.
@@castleanthrax1833 Not really, in my country substances that get you high that aren't yet illegal drugs, its still concidered a crime to have it, use it, sell it or produce it, but the charge and punishment is lesser, the streight translation of that law would be something like "medicine crime" or "medicine offence".
They are illegal. In the us it’s called the analog act. Look it up it’s horrible laws and doctors that filled people up with pills for years and then cut them off. That’s the real problem. The real problem is is that there’s no safe supply just methadone and Suboxone.
Just before Christmas I had to have surgery and just before they put me to sleep they gave me a fentanyl shot. I woke up from surgery feeling the same as I would normally wake up. As a painkiller it’s very effective, I did feel like I could sleep for a week that night though.
Pesticide companies do the same thing when one formulation gets banned. Just like how the pirate bay will never go down because they'll always have proxies.
When I overdosed on blues, at the hospital they couldn’t find any fentanyl in my system. I always wondered what it could’ve been. Some kind of fentanyl analogue or maybe research chemical like U-47700? Does anyone have similar experience of using 💊 and passing a drug test?
there's a shit ton of opioid like analogues, my guess would be its a non-opioid sedative that works similarly that they were unable to detect. or maybe it could be one that managed to leave your blood incredibly quickly, some drugs last in your blood for a very short amt of time but can remain active for long after that time
This is interesting and informative but the big question is why do so many people need to use these chemicals? What is wrong with our human societies? Maybe you could tackle this question? Maybe this comes back to people as a consumer rather than as a human being?
We gotta do what we can to crack down on production, transportation and facilitation - but this effort will make very little difference if we do not put _at least_ as much effort into reducing the demand.
no point in it, another lab would show up in places outside of the given country they can't even touch. mental health needs to be focused on more and safer rx opioids should have looser limitations or programs for confirmed addicts to go on softer medications until they can stop so that the real killer ones won't be an issue. that's what the opioid crisis started from, they cracked down on oxy and America paid for it
This makes no sense. You can watch analogue stuff or research the fact it’s been there and IN THE OPEN for years. That wasn’t even a good take on the joke. It’s like “we really got the Ford Taurus before GTA VI”. Yeah I think that shit was made in the 80s 😂😂😂
People are apparently dieing from this stuff and it’s everywhere, no when my friends get dopesick it can be really hard to find stuff that works, people have become tolerant to this stuff and treatment doesn’t take that into account
Dripps is an incredible last name for an anaesthesiologist.
Nominative determinism at its finest.
I had a homie who passed away, and can from a family of weed farmers in Cali who had bombbbbb chronic before it was legalized, and their last name was stoner
Why?
I work at a hospital with a Dr Death. Imagine the patients reaction 😂
Dripps is a dope surname for anyone, period. 😅
Around 2015, my doctor put me on Fentanyl patches after I broke my back. I was severe pain, and they did help. I had no side effects or problems - until we moved. Some idiot packed the box with my remaining Fentanyl patches in a box of shoes. My patch needed to be changed, and we couldn't find it anywhere. After it wore off, I got sicker than I had ever been in my life. My boyfriend called my doctor ( I was throwing up too much to), explained the situation and asked for a new prescription. She refused. I got sicker and sicker. He was frantically going through boxes and after a few days found the box of shoes with the patches in it. Only then did I stop throwing up.
I later told my doctor that I wanted off the stuff, immediately, and she weaned me off it. Horrible experience.
Ugh that sounds absolutely terrible! It really makes you see just how people get hooked on it.
Opiates are wonderful things until you haven't got them.
@@castleanthrax1833 Such a true statement. But they stop being wonderful even when you got them after a few years.
😮
It’s absolutely ridiculous that treating physicians won’t even write you a small prescription to give you a chance to find your medication without needing an er visit in between. I’m so sorry you had to suffer like that.
The illicit fentanyl problem is so sad. It was the only thing that worked on my daughter’s pain when she was in palliative care and it was a big responsibility to monitor her and change her patches and dispose of them correctly. We had to jump through hoops each month to get it and people looked askance at us when we talked about it but it was worth it. Fentanyl made her last year of life bearable. It was a godsend for us and I support its use. I grieve for its rampant misuse.
I’m deeply sorry for your loss. 😢 Treating severe pain is a human right but can be difficult to safely provide and dispose of powerful pain medication. I commend you for going to the trouble of getting your daughter the relief she deserved, as well as for properly disposing of old patches so they couldn’t endanger anyone else. All of your efforts mattered and I hope you know that. Please take good care of yourselves - your daughter would want that. Again, I am so sorry for your loss. May peace be with you and your family. ❤
Yes, in such cases, there's a warranted use. But it's overused for eg. Broken bones and recreation
@@unturned6066I work at a hospital in nyc and people will go crazy for fentanyl. The problem is when it’s not controlled and people abuse it along with the street market
@@littleredchucks2758 yeah, the problem as I see it is recreational use. And too open to use it on "minor" injuries, that aren't worth the high risk of addiction.
I'm so sorry for your loss. It's terrible that you had to go through never ending red tape during this time.
Since the drug hits you harder and quicker, the down side is you get withdrawal quicker and way worse than other opiates... so much harder to try to get off of too... so lucky I made it out with 2 years+ sober... keep your head up fellow addicts...
ive heard anecdotal reports that most users would prefer oxy or heroin to fent, that fent just wards off withdrawal and instantly puts them in a heavy nod with very little of the euphoria associated with opioids.
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@@StainsStainsStainsstrangely, the addicted I know seem to actually prefer it
@@benjamingrunbaum3601former heroin addict- I was strung out for over a decade. Fent is straight trash compared to a good batch of heroin. I even prefer morphine to fentanyl. Fent’s doesn’t touch the euphoria that real dope does. It also wears off extremely quickly- especially for those of us who are physically dependent in/addicted to opiates. On hit of will keep withdrawal at bay for a good 6-12 hours, depending on how your body metabolizes opiates.
Regardless- none of it’s good for you. Avoid at all costs.
@@benjamingrunbaum3601 depends on the fent. There are actually quite some analogs out there and god knows which ones are on the illicit markets, same goes for zenes. But alphamethyl-fentanyl, which is sometimes sold as 'China White', actually has longer 'legs' than your average fent and is less potent, making it recreationally far more appealing, although I have not had it myself. (Im from the EU, not US which is quite important in these matters)
Of all opi's I tried (and I tried quite a few) fent, even though pharmaceutical grade, was the most dissapointing. Only skyrocketed my tolerance and had nasty WD's (but by far not the worst).
Personally, I like oxies because they are much more stimulating and more euphoric than H. But oxies won't produce same effect when redosed and there are also a lot of varieties of H (e.g. country of origins;). And a lot more variety when it comes to quality: high quality is very rare unless you spend time and top dollar to get some from the 'darker places of the internet'.
I'm a hospice nurse and we have an entire protocol for fentanyl patch disposal. We have to take each patch out of the package, peel it off the backing, stick it to itself, mix it with used coffee grounds, kitty litter, or dish soap. Each patch has to be disposed of in a separate bag. We also have the family sign that they witnessed the destruction of the patches and verified the count.
Why dish soap out of curiosity
@ it's something people won't reach for to eat, just like no one (hopefully) will eat kitty litter or used coffee grounds!
@@kmdkrohn Thanks for answering my question!
I remember I had to sign that i witnessed hospice dispose of all the left over liquid morphine and ativan after my grandpa passed. The nurse arrived maybe 10 minutes after he passed and she disposed of it all literally a minute or 2 after arriving. Wasted no time haha. They poured the liquids and also put the pills in a ziploc bag, mixed it with dish soap and water, then gave it a nice shake. Had me sign and then asked me to go throw it away for them. Thought it was overkill but i understand why they do it.
@@kmdkrohnimagine being given fentanyl patches for legitimate horrible chronic pain while going through 8 surgeries over two years and after the last surgery the doctor cutting you off and not withdrawing you off it at all. No valium no gabapentin no nothing went from 25mcg patches to nothing. Imagine what that would do to you at 23 years old also. That propelled me into 18 years of illicit opiate use and a life of a hell on Earth. Just like what widespread prescribing of Oxycontin did to people especially a lot of young people. I'm very glad SOME people in hospice can get the pain relief they need because I've seen numerous people die that didn't and that's horrible, I remember when my sisters grandpa in law was dying and she asked me if I knew where to get any opiates because the doctors wouldn't give him enough when he was dying of cancer at 85. And I can cite MANY other examples like that. The war on drugs is a JOKE and it just hurts people in a lot of people pain especially. Before I was prescribed fentanyl I was a firefighter with over 3 years on the force and starting a career in it and doing GREAT. And I was never abusing the patches when the doctor said you're done with your last surgery you're not going to need these anymore. I never abused patches ever. I was able to do my job on the patches and do everything in life fine even with the surgeries. And when I couldn't get them my life completely fell apart and had a physical and mental sickness that most people can imagine in their worst nightmares. By keeping opiates illegal we are only hurting sick people and especially people in tons of pain and even the ones that can get opiates have to jump through tons of hoops to get them and we're hurting the most vulnerable people in our society. What I went through I wouldn't put any of the 9/11 suicide bombers through it was that bad. I'm very glad you do what you do and hopefully you add comfort and peace to people on their way out. GOD BLESS YOU 🙏!!!!! 😇🙏💖🌌🌠🕊️👍
When an opiate addict hears "more lethal", they dont think "oh i might die".
All they hear is "better dope".
I would know.
True but not for the reason you would think. I know from experience too. Yes it would kill non users or users with an extremely low tolerance. However if you know you have an extremely high tolerance then you would seek it out because it would go a lot further. I use to do sometimes up to 2 grams a day of somewhat decent stuff but if it was the stronger stuff I could cut that down to a gram or less. People try to make it sound like addicts are out searching for the stuff that killed someone because they too have a death wish when that's absolutely not the case for most. It's basic economics. You pay the same or at least close to the same for better stuff that lasts longer. Not that hard to understand. Yet to hear it from the media everyone is just trying to off themselves.
@@H.h.farms5089true. I’m an opiate addict in recovery and definitely shot my share of fent and it’s not a death wish but as you said seeking out something that hasn’t been cut as much to go further given my tolerance
I was addicted to oxys really bad in the early 2000s and thank God I got clean. Now I am stage 4 cancer and ended up in the hospital barely 110lbs due to not eating or sleeping due to pain. They gave me oxys but I was too scared to use them for fear of relapse.
I was honest with palliative care and they put me on the fentanyl patch. Almost a year later , the pain is controlled and I haven't relapsed or gotten high.
The patch works
Unless you're cutting up, chewing on the patch they are not easy to get high on, nor are they meant for that. I think pain patches are generally fantastic and safer for people in pain. Their biggest risk is to others who have no tolerance to pain meds. I have been worried to go swimming in case my patch fell off and stuck on someone (It doesn't work like that but still the worry is there.)
Congrats on getting clean I hope you beat the Cancer.
I had a boss once that would squeeze a fentanyl patch in a gin and tonic and drink the whole thing .
He’s dead now
What kinda boss is that mobboss?
Predictably? 🤔🤪✌️
His own doing
Not surprised one bit.
not as deadly as it sounds, he was soaking used patches to extract any remaining fentanyl after usage, its extremely common. I had a lady come in screaming about her patches and she was chewing on one and then spit it on the counter all mad. Good times.
I've had Fentanyl a few times in hospital. I use opioid pain relief at home, but this stuff knocked me on my ass. Which I guess was the point. But still, they gave me a patch or a tablet and I felt my brain slip away within a few short minutes. When I came back to myself it was all over. Wonderful HOSPITAL drug. The idea people are running around giving it to themselves is terrifying.
Same! I panicked when the doctor mentioned that I would be given Fentanyl for pain (via IV) as well as the traditional knock out stuff and it was scary how quickly it took effect and how long it lasted. I don't think I counted to 5 before I was out.
Ex heroin/fentanyl addict here. It's a worse high that doesn't last as long but it's so cheap for the everyday user to get it's impossible to get away from
RIP to my friend lost in 2024. Now Im almost 50 and this was my friend since I was 16. What you dont hear about is the brain damaged caused when someone survives an OD. Almost as bad as death.
My best friend was in a coma for a week after a fentanyl od and he is a completely different person now. It's sad af
Similar happened to a friend’s brother. They didn’t know if he’d wake up, when he finally did, he had severe damage, like productive aphasia, being unable to speak.
I had a good friend I had known since 1974 that I lost less than 2 years ago. Somebody gifted him a fentanyl laced bag of booger candy.
I’m sorry for your loss. But dont he sorry for your friend. Finally he is free of this scourge like he always dreamed off. The grief you feel is yours , feel better in knowing your friend is happy and if out there rooting for you too.
I lost my brother 2 years ago, he didn’t OD he had epilepsy, and I noticed his brain damage getting worse after each seizure. He smoked a lot of weed and took the odd Valium. But what killed him was simply not being able to get a doctor to assess him and he kept forgetting to take his tabs.
What killed me was in his bag I found a letter a from the health department of our government (Ireland) that wanted to know if he was still interested in his brain scan appointment as it had been delayed due to c.o.v.i.d ,
He signed it but hadn’t yet sent it back.
Then he died.
My youngest brother of 6
26 yrs old.
I have other brothers who are totally fucked on heroin and crack or whatever they can get. Yet they don’t OD. They live seemingly risk free in an out of jail. While mark died,
I do not wish one of them died instead but why did he have to.
Life is unfair man.
I take comfort in knowing now mark can see and meet his mother.
She fell down the stairs and died when mark was 6months old I was 9 .
I was the oldest mark was the youngest. He never knew her. I did, barely , and all I remember is hash, Valium and alcohol in my childhood.
Mark knew worse from his.
And YES I do believe something else exists outside this Place,
Good luck in your life friend.
@johngalt7382 my simcere condolences.
As a recovered addict, the only reason i am not dead is because i always did small test doses first. Its power is insane. It is debilitating. So many have underestimated it or treated like typical heroin and thats why so many have been lost, including many dear friends
Yep, opiates are danger in general but Fent is a different beast. I always did a small test dose as well and it saved my life countless times. I've lost so many friends to that beast and have had close calls myself even with all the safety measures I strictly follow.
It's not talked about enough. I'm surprised this video even appeared in my timeline - Knox Hill released a tune called Fentanyl (he lost a close cousin to it), and the YT algo seems to have squashed its reach.
I was a functioning addict for over a decade on oxeycoton, Roxy then horion.. I was fine even on H .. but fentanyl is a different animal... If not for Suboxone I would b dead .. clean over 2 years now thank God I made it through..I'm a lucky one...
Subs saved my life. I’m glad you are still with us. Recover loudly my friend.
Good luck getting off subs. It's worse. Doable but physically worse. Instead of a week or so of acute wd it's weeks-months. Its an insanely long acting synthetic opiate. Welp the WDs are incredibly long lasting and every bit as uncomfortable but for a long time. Kratom is a lifesaver. Don't forget it
@@notyouraveragegoldenpotatowhat? Lmao no there’s no comparison between fent WD and sub WD 😂 how many times have you detoxed off either?
@notyouraveragegoldenpotato my job test for that ... I got a script for box ... And I'm alive and stable so I don't really care if I take them for life , at least I have one 2 live...I would b dead without it ...
And I have dt to many times 2 count of of both ... Feels like death both ways , I'll take the one that doesn't kill me ...
It’s crazy how the analogues are both cheaper and more lethal, yet the demand only grows.
That's how satan operates
You said it yourself "cheaper"...
Nothing crazy there!
What makes drugs lethal is the lack of quality controls. Alcohol turns deadly when it's prohibited and regulated by whatever the gangsters decide are regulations.
@damonstewart70 that's how evil human beings operate.
I can't imagine who would 'want them'...Its a street drug, by definition 'cooked up' by somebody who doesn't provide a SDS, credibility, etc.
Its one thing to 'accept not knowing' how much your cane has been cut w/ lido or something like that...its just 'less powerful'. The base drug isn't very fatal, except in doses of 10x of grams
Its a different issue when the base drug is extremely FATAL, 1milligram being fatal for most. In such case 'not knowing' = akin to self unaliving.
Even from neurotic state of an addict, nothing about that makes sense. Addicts don't 'want to self unalive', they want to keep the high going.
Remember Miami Vice?
Drugs bust, Crocket produces a knife and cuts into a package. He removes a tiny speck, tastes it and drops dead.
“Yep, that’s Fentanyl” says Tubbs,,,,
> Remember Miami Vice
okay boomer
@@LybrelI am a millenial and definitely remember Miami Vice
@@Lybrel l I bet you type “first” a lot in the comments sections, don’t you? 💀
I've just finished watching the first season, I don't actually recall him tasting anything? Are you thinking of Mel Gibson's character in the Lethal Weapon?
@@Lybrel Are you really green texting on youtube?
sweet a new vid always looking forward to these!
thanks for all your efforts.
Username checks out.
@@Pr0toPoTaT0 xD it suits me well.
I'm a prison officer, a prisoner got smuggled in what he believed was Ketamin, what he actually got was Fentanyl and Heroin, he ended up needing emergency medical intervention to avoid full organ failure...... was horrible to watch, he's alive and recovered now, I've no idea how he survived
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Organ failure? There was more than fent in it then or it was a bad batch, usually just shuts down your respiratory system. Organ failure occurs from long term use.
@@murphine969 cmon bro you’re ruining the effect of the fear mongering! He appealed to authority for the dumb ppl too!
@@murphine969 to be fair, he must’ve raked 10000x a normal fent dose. I think that could shut down your shit…
How and Where was he hiding it ? 🤔
I have done this in the past for years and never overdosed once but I never injected anything ever. I am off now after 20 years. Best and hardest thing I ever have done. I detoxed from over 20 years in 8 hours of absolute hell in the hospital with Suboxone. My life is normal now and I have things I could never afford before. A wonderful woman that loves me is the best thing in my life. No drug comes close to her. I am not even joking one bit.
I was saved by someone who cared about me enough to out her own addiction to her bf in order to save my life. She was clean for months and died from it last April. She would have been 35 on the 22nd of January. I have a list of people that I know who have died from street fent...it's almost 20 people deep in the last 4 years.
Hers is the only death I truly mourn, she has a son thats growing up without her, and I don't have any kids. There are days I wish she was here, and I wasn't. I've been clean from it for 3 years now.
@@HorrorHermitofHell sorry for your loss
I’ve accidentally overdosed on heroin half a dozen times. I think one of the creepiest things about experiencing an overdose is the general lack of awareness during the overdose. There’s no suffering, there’s no pain. You simply cease to exist, and that is it. Like finally falling asleep at night, except it’s curtains forever. If you’re lucky, you wake up in an ambulance with naloxone wreaking havoc on your brain. That’s the only time you’ll ever feel pain-but it’s hardly a consequence worthy of abstinence. Sadly most drug users will get high the very next day.
Talked with a street musician a couple days ago - he said one of the things that kept him off meth after he went into rehab was, when they did bloodwork on him, he tested positive for fentanyl. That scared the crap out of him, and so far he's stayed clean. "Fentanyl, that's scary shit," he said. "You fall asleep and never wake up."
I have always found it fascinating that no one talks about the drug problem in terms of the people that are taking the drugs
It’s like saying if you just outlawed guns, no one would get murdered
People have to make their own choices and no amount of regulation is ever going to stop that
Amen!
As a Dr I’d like to point out that these are Chemicals and that different drugs require different levels of training & professional qualifications to handle or administer. Opioids are safe, when used under the right directions & qualified supervision. The political classification of medications and the way the laws are written & implemented that’s creating the harm that Fentanyl is the current fixation of. It’s not to say it’s dangerous, but we accept risk with other chemicals and regulate them. The unregulated, under-regulated, and inconsistent management surrounding addictive drugs and poisons means that fentanyl has a had impact it has had. We can use the drugs safely and the government policy needs to be evidence based rather reactionary, is how we got here. The profit is a big part of the equation. But the problem with the drug war is the sheer amount of misinformation that has been able to perpetuate due to the inability to legally release safe info or resources.
For those of us who are doing our best to stay safe in this unregulated market, regulation would make safety easier but they don’t want that
Like all drugs, legal or illicit, they will be abused. Regulations and information reduce overdoses, but is often equated to enabling negative behaviour. It has been shown that reducing poverty, and making health services cheaper, reduces the abuse rate, all for less cost compared to reactionary measures?
2:07 “After a compromise” = Janssen paid Dripps off in one of the earliest recorded payoffs of a doctor by a pharmaceutical company.
Fentanyl and its analogues aren’t even the worst. Compared to nitazines - easy to make - all other opioids look weak, even Fentanyl.
Never heard of that kind of drugs
Init me n my m8 gitvsumnither day sold as heroin n 6 lines smoked n I was out 4 hours we thought it was just amazing gear till my other m8 tested it we get testing kits at methadone clinic 4 fent n nitazinies.. n it's gettingvworse
It's a issue here in the UK
I just watched a video about Nitazenes before I got to this video. They sound terrifying.
So the war on drugs is working as expected then
As the saying goes: I'd like to congratulate drugs for winning the war on drugs.
As well as prohibition the government seen how rich n powerful gangsters get of it imho the government let's it in I can't post a can ov deodorant but tonnes of gear get into uk every day
The smart people trust the science and don't do drugs. The less smart people on the other hand... So yeah, the war on drugs is working as expected, and the war on drugs will only become more effective if our people are properly educated and led to make better choices regarding their health. Unfortunately many people are allergic to education. Drugs are seriously bad for you, there is no debate at this point imo - all of the commercials released decades ago such as this is your brain on drugs are accurate. Those commercials have stood the test of time. Some might have thought they were fearmongering, those people turned out to be catastrophically wrong.
Seems Darwin is doing his part as well.
Open borders with drug mules. Now cartel big mad.
Tachyphylaxis is the phenomena that the body will start resisting higher doses. Similar to how exogenous steroids will shrink endogenous glands. Presumably if a person is taking an elephant tranquilizer he or she has been doing it a long time.
*phenomenon is the correct singular
I've heard a lot of overdoses they don't even know fentanyl is in the drug they're taking. It's sad and scary.
True sadly, a lot of amphetamine and coke was spiked with it for a while for example. And it was popular amongst young adults to smoke patches for a while.
15:02 This happened to me! I had bought a training collar for my dog a few years or so ago and instead of the collar, they sent me a spoon on a chain! I was mortified and tossed it out right away and never bothered for a refund. So unsettling...
I've had fentanyl pills as an anesthetic in a hospital before they administer the actual anesthetic on top of it. So basically a double layer anesthetic before I got a bone marrow sample taken. Those pills they give in the hospital only contain 100 micrograms but its still effective, thats how strong fentanyl is. Its crazy to think drugs on the streets are being laced with something thats even stronger than what pure fentanyl already is.
I've had it in hospital also. It was fabulous in that context. They gave it to me, took me to theatre, gave me more drugs and took bone samples from my spine and pelvis. I don't remember anything after taking the pill and resting on the pillow. Anything stronger than that is crazy, out cold in 4 mins, how much more effective does it need to be?
I had to have a bone biopsy of my jaw done. I have a couple of genetic conditions that make me process medication faster/take higher doses than expected which they knew about. Still they did a great job and I had no pain during. They wheeled me out (female, 5’1) and told my partner (6’5 male) “we had to give her enough fentanyl to knock a man your size out, she wouldn’t stop TALKING. 😂
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Let’s not forget though that fentanyl has legitimate and valuable medical uses. Prehospitally, it’s great for pain control for injuries and can be administered by a paramedic in an ambulance. Very useful for things like fractures and painful dislocations.
I've had it given to me in a hospital to treat pain from a cyst that required draining, and a kidney stone.
It was frightening how effective it was.
I'm halfway through, and I hope you mention the biggest reason fetty and its analogues got "popular" in the first place, within the black market.
Because, it's cheap. Really, really cheap. Which means dealers can cut it into anything they can, stretch their supply, and make more money. And the "customers" are absolutely expendable, when you're selling the product that can damn near instantly hook, pretty much everyone.
Meanwhile I can’t even get a proper opiate prescription for a condition I’ve had since I was a teenager because the drug laws are cracking down on the wrong people. My doctor writes me the biggest prescription he’s legally allowed to, I have literally no other option for pain management, and this stupid bureaucratic government refuses to let me get full treatment.
The pill mills were healthier than prohibition, and people like me didn’t have to suffer for no reason.
I cannot express the level of hatred I have for prohibitionists.
Long term patient in New Zealand here. Our system allows doctors to register long term patients, I get the same script every month, collected weekly from the same pharmacy. I've been on oxycodone for 16 years now. There's noting more to be done, they just don't want me to suffer.
Yeah, my grandmother was on Darvocet for years, now she takes tramadol. However these past 2 weeks she's been in and out of the hospital with severe back pain. She's getting surgery later this week. Yet the doctors weren't willing to prescribe her anything even though she has a long history with no abuse and she's 85. I was pretty pissed, if the doctors didn't think she qualified. Idk who would.
@@NealBurkard-ut1oo That sort of thing is just nuts. What is she going to do, sell it on a street corner?
You should be more upset at those abusing the drugs for creating the problem that regulators are trying to solve. If everyone was using the drugs properly and responsibly, there wouldn't be prohibitionists.
@@scottfree6479 Yeah. Use a little judgement, folks !
The first time I encountered it, when we used it as emergency medication while I was doing my civil service as a paramedic. I never would have guessed that 20 years later it would be used as 'normal' pain medication or as a street-drug...
I once saw a guy od on it in front of my house. The cops hit him with the bar an and he walked by himself into the ambulance. Wild
To hit an OD'ing guy with a bar... diabolical
You meant "Narcan" or similar?
I assume he means naloxole it reverse ods a real life saver I've hit 2 ov my friends with 1 it's a injection btw
They don't feel as good as heroin. It's like THC without the terpines. But the withdrawal is 10x worse, annoying, uncomfortable. It's hard to believe anything could be that much worse than H withdrawal when you don't even get the same pleasure. Easy for your tolerance to go threw the roof because you're just doing a tiny amount but yeah imagine withdrawal from doing an OZ. Of H a day. Your body feels like your bones are trying to turn inside out. Some analogs won't even take much pain away, just make you tired and are easy to OD from. Also imagine dropping all your stuff because it knocks you out and you constantly lose everything and have to start over after one hit constantly 😭
Nods are not what they used to be.
So Fentanyl is evolving faster than AI.
Dont give it anymore ideas...
AI playing more significant role in stuff like drug discovery (not necessarily bad in a vaccuum) means AI could accelerate the development of fentanyl analogues.
Hot take: Back in the day there was this thing called the opium wars. Whats to say that a certain country wouldn’t use that as an inspiration.
A century of humiliation, now they payback
@@shinkicker404 no one will ever convince me China isn’t doing it on purpose. They sent manufactured fent originally then the U.S. complained, so they sold the precursors and the how tos to Mexican cartels with a “don’t use this to make fent” *wink wink*
The opium war earned GB a lot of money.
This product is so cheap that we can doubt it earns as much.
China is producing all the fentanyl… they seem to have learned from the opium wars huh.
And they've been doing it to everyone else since....
Carfentanil? That's the stuff the vet used on my horse, and aggressive bulls etc. It amazes me more people didn't die taking that.
Strange, horses aren't usually given opiates. Horse's do get what's referred to as Xylazine or "tranq" which is now popular for people to mess with.
As a Canadian with family in Law enforcement, I have it on good word that the majority of 'heroin' confiscated in the last year here is carfentanyl or fentanyl cut with pure caffeine, usually in a matrix of some non-drug substance. Actual heroin is the minority in drug busts. Not sure if this is related to the Taliban cutting production and troubles in Myanmar but a lot of it is made in drug labs here which are very organized international operations typically set up in small communities to hide from law enforcement. They buy in precursors from China, hire in international "talent" and produce at industrial scale. They export a lot to the US. This of course applies to busts that have occured in the last year or so that I hear about, and tend to cover a different market than the usual rural meth cooks.
It's interesting since making pharma-grade heroin is one of easier reactions although you have to have morphine first and fentanyl is 100% synthetic.
Californian here, used to get REAL black tar heroin, last dealer I knew got busted and ALL I could find ANYWHERE even near the border was Fentanyl, found Fake Heroin laced with Fent once but yea Heroins gone. Fent sucks in comparison high is nothing near as good as H, but fent destroyed my life so quickly it forced me to get sober unlike Heroin which I could function and work on. Thank you Fentanyl for that, I guess
@@disastrousduckling You're probably right about needing morphine first being the limiting factor, fentanyl percursors are much easier to get. Supply and dosage also means that they don't need to synthesize nearly so much to fulfil orders.
@@disastrousducklingto make brown H Nr3, you only need opium and one single chemical precursor plus a few Ph-measure sticks. They literally cook it in old oil barrels in Afghanistan. 7kg Opium = 1kg brown H Nr3
I thought the thumbnail said "caffeinetanyl" like people were mixing fent into their coffee
these speedballs are getting out of control
Nah, monster or redbull.. but make sure its sugar free, cant be putting any weight on.
@@sneekerukwell, you never see a tubby smackhead.
sounds delicious!
*My Nephew died of a Fentanyl overdose. He was 26 and in a Jail Cell when it happened. Nobody knows how or where he got ahold of the drug, but many people have said it came from one of the Jailers.*
Thanks, Simon. 🙏✊😞👌
Watching my dad learn that a good friend of his overdosed and died from fentanyl-laced products was, for lack of a better word, sobering. It's likely one of many, unfortunately. He's a great person who loves to help wherever he can, but addiction is one hell of a bitch and he and my grandma (his mom) know that more than anything. I've sworn off of alcohol and recreational drug use for as long as I can manage since the genetics for substance abuse run in our family.
From the perspective of a former heroin addict, this is terrifying.
better health care and regulating drug sales would immediately stop this issue.
I just typed out a VERY long comment saying this same exact thing. I love how you said it in so few words, and made the same point that I was trying to make. Succinct and, in my opinion, absolutely true!
If this existed back in the 80s in Scotland we would have never even got Trainspotting
Imagination is wide open to interpretation.
Vancouver, here. Unintentionally exposed to femt. 2 wks in hospital.
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Former Heroin/Fentanyl smoker here. What exactly did it do to you? Incredibly deadly drug no doubt but first time I tried it I simply nodded out same with every single other time untill I full on OD'd once and got sober. Did you OD and have lung/brain damage or what happened exactly?
@Fallout3ProHunter Some passing Samaritan found me. tits+up. Asd on a parapet, .head foot lower inna planter. Phone d 911. Don't remember a thing..
A lot of "accidental" Fentanyl overdoses are similar. I work in healthcare and deal with hospice patients frequently. Those in a lot of pain, particularly cancer pain, are given Fentanyl. As the US has no merciful death laws, it isn't entirely uncommon for orders to come in for "replacement" benzos from a "spilled bottle."
Rather than allow Granny to scream for 3 days straight until the cancer takes her naturally, many a family may allegedly, hypothetically, accidentally give her an extra dose (or three) of Xanax and and an extra Fentanyl patch... for someone already so far gone, the synergistic respiratory depressant effects can finish them off. "Accidentally," of course. But, it can also fail and leave them short on medication and sick from side effects.
In New Zealand people dying in serious pain are medicated with opiates to the freaking gills. In other cases, with drawn out deaths, families some times ask doctors if their loved one "could be in pain but unable to say?" At that point the doctor will often say yes, and give the poor patient a large dose, just in case. This will often see them off gently, "in their sleep", instead of drawn out dehydration/starvation.
I suspect my late adoptive sister, once a registered nurse, was in a situation like that, she called me that December and we talked, she sounded fine, and then she said she had stage 4 lung cancer (lifelong 2 packs a day smoker, Benson & Hedges menthol 100s) she was not going to do radiation, chemo etc and she was gone in January, I don't believe the cancer killed her that fast.
I also worked in late stage cancer treatment and the 'forbidden knowledge' of what might happen if one applied a fentanyl patch or two to the inside of your mouth was passed around amongst the patients. (disclaimer: Don't do that!!) People would ask me about that stuff in the short privacy of elevator rides.
@@HobbyOrganistI am so sorry for your loss.
@@thehangmansdaughter1120 my dad was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease in 2014. He is doing really well for someone in their late 70's with the disease. What scares me the most, is that so many people with severly advanced Parkinson's, usually starve to death, or choke, because they are no longer able to swallow. My dad has a DNR and also has an advanced directive saying he does not want a feeding tube. I have heard that dehydration and starving to death are incredibly painful. It is also horrific for the families to watch someone they love pass this way. I just hope and pray that my father will have a doctor that helps him pass without suffering.
In room with my doctor, surgeon, several nurses, and a technician I mentioned I’d had fentanyl three times. The room went silent. “Twice in an ER and once in an ambulance.” Everyone laughed.
At our local rehab recently, the people who said their drug of choice was heroin, tested zero heroin and all fentanyl.
Naloxone/Narcan carrier myself and have lost a few friends to the opioid epidemic, it is nasty that we don't try to do more to end it.
Nitazenes are the new thing popping up. That stuff is absolutely a bullet in powder form. It makes fent look like bubble gum. Naloxone barely touches it, and they're SUPER fast acting.
I have friends who are fucked, what are they supposed to do when the methadone can’t seem to touch this, seems to me one would need to be weaned using this stuff
I just watched a video about nitazenes before coming here to watch this video. Just hearing about those scared the crap out of me, and it has been 30 years since I did any recreational drugs.
@DarkFire1536 that shit is CRAZY. They were created and they shortly after found out that they were so strong, they had zero medical application. They're absolutiely brutal.
As a Canadian, part of me is surprised that the port with the highest amount of fentanyl analogues isn't Prince Rupert. That place has ALWAYS been a massive drug hotbed. There are more OD's there per capita than anywhere else in the country.
There hasn’t been any “normal” heroin in over a decade in the US
Big fan 👍
How could a nerve agent be a fentyl analogue? That needs an unknown antidote? Any opiate analogue would just need naloxe?
It takes my breath away hearing about all this
Man I can’t import Ettan snus into the US without customs searching every package. Maybe if I switched to dope customs wouldn’t give me so much static?
My best friend of 25 years just overdosed over christmas. Almost certainly a Fentanyl analog.
Dude had been working on getting clean. Either his tolerance dropped or whatever he got was bad.
Nothing feels like fentanyl. Once you have it you want more. It feels so good. The downside is the chance for overdose and the worst withdrawals you could possibly have.
It took me about 3 years to begin to feel normal again. It left me depressed and anhedonic. I saw a lot of hospitals. I even had ECT to try and lift my mood. It was a desperate time. Now it has been almost 7 years. I'm just now getting my life back. I was on prescription fentanyl. Buying it on the street is playing Russian Roulette. The death toll is staggering.
The solution is to let addicts have what they want, but in a safe way so that the drugs they are using are tested and controlled so that overdoses and needle sharing are eliminated. Opiates are cheap. Let people have them. Then be ready to help when they're ready to change. That would put the cartels out of business too. An added bonus.
They've been 'letting them do it' for quite some time now. That's worked out fabulous especially in LA. No more giving them anything. You take the wrong dose, you od. No more 10 f'n narcans, get the person off the brink of death then they go right back to it within a few hours? Wtf was the Narcan for? Addicts themselves say it takes at least 7 times, and of that 8 out of 10 will still go right back to the drugs.
I enjoyed reading your comment. I am so happy for you taking your life back.
I listened to a radio talk show for a decade, and the host was always talking about how the war on drugs isn't and has never worked. If drugs were legal, they could be regulated more effectively. All of the money that the government has spent fighting the war on drugs, would be put to better use funding treatment facilities. Like you said, some kind of regulation and legalization would eventually put many cartels out of business. This would in turn, cut down on drug related crimes, and more importantly, prevent a lot of deaths. I think it is difficult for people to see legalizing drugs as a solution to the drug epidemic. At first glance, it doesn't make sense. Especially for highly addictive drugs. In my opinion, this solution will never happen in my lifetime. I am 52 years old.
I try not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but my guess is that the illegal drug trade is lucrative for more people than just the cartels and dealers.
Anyway, great job on getting clean!
You'd think people would be intelligent enough to know that all these drugs are bad, and most lead to severe addiction and death.
As a recovering alcoholic you don't understand addiction then. We need more mental health supports because addiction is caused by trauma.
@CindyandRicoTheCoonhoundCross I have worked for the SA in Seattle for nearly 13 years. I deal with druggies and alcoholics 12 hours a day for 13 years. I help them get trauma counseling, but few really stick with it. They use anything as an excuse. One person I worked with had been through counseling several times and through rehab over 40 times.
@@HolgerDanske It's easier to cover trauma with chemicals than it is to face them.
You think that matters?
I had nothing to live for disabled at age 20 still unable to even put the words to the mental issues i was going through because society didn't accept them yet.
Being sober would driven me to suicide faster tbh.
@@HolgerDanskeSA as in salvation army?
The fact you call them druggies shows you don't try empathize with them or communicate with them as equals so it stands to reason you never actually knew them.
I live in Canada, and it is ravaging communities here. It’s a horror.
I had heart surgery 4 years ago to repair a leaky valve, they kept asking if I wanted pain relief, and I really didn't have any real pain, just VERY sore if I rolled onto my side or the like, I kept saying no thanks, other than tylenol once mostly to be polite to the nurse I guess.
They sent me home with a big bottle of oxy and other junk, I never touched the oxy and didn't need it
So heavy! Ta for the heads up about Fr. Damian.
One question -- Why, instead of waging a war you can't win, don't governments focus on dealing with the reason people turn to drugs?
Low standards of life, poverty, depression and related mental conditions, and addiction to morphine from treatments in hospital.
If the governments provided a way for the people to quit the drugs, safely, with no fear of repercussion, and helped them re-integrate into normal society by finding them a place to live, and helping them find a stable source of income, then I believe the very reason people take drugs would go down.
I believe that's what Switzerland has done, and it successfully _ended_ the war on drugs.
I'm gonna need to get a hold of some
Seems like a good way to exit
12:06 this specific analog seems especially well suited for the task
You could buy this online in like 2012 .
and 2013, and 2014… and 2024, and today
It's obnoxious. First we mainly needed to be worried about our other drugs being contaminated with fentanyl, and now even people straight up looking for fentanyl gotta be worried about that being cut/contaminated with a bunch of other even more dangerous things. Everything fun is doomed to be ruined
The things humans will do to themselves...
is the problem isn't it? if you invent a better mousetrap, someone will invent a better, far more addictive and lethal mouse and they'll get that mouse into every house no matter how big or hardworking the cat that tries to keep it out.
Almost like it's being approached from the wrong direction.
Some individuals lives are made far more liveable by mice! Super mice are invented for a reason. Some of us need them, just like a diabetic needs insulin ‘mice’. Chronic pain patients need “opioid mice” 😊
I work at a syringe services program, and it's not the fent analogues that are the problem coming, it's the the nitazazine class, which can range from 50 to 500 times more potent than fent, with metaisonitazazine at that 500 mark. There have already been directions of a number of this class of substances in over dose and seizures in the last few years. It's no joke, this stuff can't be safely handled without lab equipment and equivalent level skill and knowledge. Scary stuff.
When your home town finally ends up in one of Simon's videos but it's this one 😭
Weaker and safer opioids should fully legalized and we'd have much less lethal overdoses from fentanyl. I've been in chronic pain for the past 15 years and am unable to get any painkillers anymore even though I've never abused them. Instead of using any street drugs I've resorted to drinking copious amounts of red vein kratom tea which tastes disgusting and kills my appetite, but it does at least help somewhat.
why not simply change the law so all new chemicals are illegal until they're approved? you know, like Europe.
Because "drug" is too generic a word, and it would be impossible to implement.
@@castleanthrax1833 Not really, in my country substances that get you high that aren't yet illegal drugs, its still concidered a crime to have it, use it, sell it or produce it, but the charge and punishment is lesser, the streight translation of that law would be something like "medicine crime" or "medicine offence".
Drugs are bad Mmkay...
They are illegal. In the us it’s called the analog act. Look it up it’s horrible laws and doctors that filled people up with pills for years and then cut them off. That’s the real problem. The real problem is is that there’s no safe supply just methadone and Suboxone.
People who are into dealing drugs are not known for being terribly bothered about whether something is legal or not.
When fent hit Eastern KY our death rate went up 600% in a single year.
Love this.
By the way, how many freaking channels do you have? :-)
Just before Christmas I had to have surgery and just before they put me to sleep they gave me a fentanyl shot. I woke up from surgery feeling the same as I would normally wake up. As a painkiller it’s very effective, I did feel like I could sleep for a week that night though.
Pesticide companies do the same thing when one formulation gets banned. Just like how the pirate bay will never go down because they'll always have proxies.
bro what people be doing just smoke a joint smh
No? Weed sucks 0 euphoria just makes you dumb and sleepy.
Weed is such a lame drug.
Mother Nature knows best: shrooms and weed, with the occasional glass of fermented berry or grain juice, is all one needs.
I never liked fentanyl when I was given it at the hospital! It feels different in a bad way as compared to morphine or dilaudid.
In the uk we have nitazines causing issues. Im glad i stopped 10 years ago lost too many friends because of drugs
It would be awesome if some channels could afford to list and timestamp citations.
Losing drug users is a boon to society but a tragedy to their loved ones.
There are hundreds if not thousands of synthetic mu opioid receptor agonists. The fentanyl analogues ones are only a small group within them.
I've only had fent administered in an ambulance but yes that shit is STRONG already
When I overdosed on blues, at the hospital they couldn’t find any fentanyl in my system. I always wondered what it could’ve been. Some kind of fentanyl analogue or maybe research chemical like U-47700? Does anyone have similar experience of using 💊 and passing a drug test?
there's a shit ton of opioid like analogues, my guess would be its a non-opioid sedative that works similarly that they were unable to detect. or maybe it could be one that managed to leave your blood incredibly quickly, some drugs last in your blood for a very short amt of time but can remain active for long after that time
I lost 3 people to fentanyl in 2020 1 of those was my brother that died the day after my birthday and wasn’t even a user.
Fentanyl is not a precursor to its analgoues, but their progenitor.
Ok
This is interesting and informative but the big question is why do so many people need to use these chemicals? What is wrong with our human societies? Maybe you could tackle this question? Maybe this comes back to people as a consumer rather than as a human being?
We gotta do what we can to crack down on production, transportation and facilitation - but this effort will make very little difference if we do not put _at least_ as much effort into reducing the demand.
no point in it, another lab would show up in places outside of the given country they can't even touch. mental health needs to be focused on more and safer rx opioids should have looser limitations or programs for confirmed addicts to go on softer medications until they can stop so that the real killer ones won't be an issue. that's what the opioid crisis started from, they cracked down on oxy and America paid for it
I have walked those Vancouver streets, so bad.
All the precursors are made and delivered by china.
To Americans.
We sell guns, they sell heroin. 🎉
We really got fentanyl analogues before GTA VI
Fentanyl 2 before gta 6 is wild.
This makes no sense. You can watch analogue stuff or research the fact it’s been there and IN THE OPEN for years. That wasn’t even a good take on the joke. It’s like “we really got the Ford Taurus before GTA VI”. Yeah I think that shit was made in the 80s 😂😂😂
My homie was getting acetyolfet and butyrfet years ago in the mail
Okey you convinced me. Who got some fentanyl?
Don't drink and drive take drugs and fly~Finnair 🇫🇮
As soon as you mentioned the WHO and UN it was over.
People are apparently dieing from this stuff and it’s everywhere, no when my friends get dopesick it can be really hard to find stuff that works, people have become tolerant to this stuff and treatment doesn’t take that into account
A carpenter Ive worked with on jobs just passed from ODing. He was in his mid 20s. So yeah fentynol is no joke.