Your thoughts are so me when I'm playing support. The relevance of this is superb for a true support player. It's the little stuff "Oo free tombstone, what a good day." "Maybe I miss my stack, maybe I don't, oh lookie I didn't! What a great game."
This is the issues is lower tier game, not only the leeching but most if not all support will even try to get last hit as well as not denying any creeps,stack or pull but they don't matter because if you don't want to learn something then you better be content in where you are. The sad part is even in 4k tier more often than not you will find such support and as I can see its because of all those account buying and smurf-ing. If you reach 5k its becoming a rare sight however like I said there are way too many account buyers and smurf account that you can still expect to see such support from time to time. With the new update support can literally live without any cs from lane creeps because of talent tress and goes around harassing, stacking, pulling, rotating much more effectively. When I look at some of the comments here, as I expected many people still don't know that this guide is what every support players must know and must implement in their game. Carry > Support in a reasonable tier games say 4.5k and above, that's like universal rule and you want your carry to get the best out of laning phase even if you are gonna suffer in exp and gold. Because later int he game you will be compensated with assist gold and exp, your carry being more farmed and higher in level and thus the win. Dota2 is a game of teamwork, learn that by now.
you forgot the single pulls. So sick of those. worse than not pulling. pull for 1 stack and push the lane all the way to the other side and give the offlaner free farm. Later say carry fail!!!
Claude Vanlalhruaia actually i am a low bracket player and actually i have an answer why supports often leech gold and exp from cores its because supports often just treated like nothing and not a hero at all and so what if a support is not a support nobody else complains a Winter Wyvern building desolator and hurricane pike and also these routines and rules just makes it so that the assasins (riki,clinkz,Phantom assasin and many more)eat the poor supports while stacking and also i like to play as a support but at the mid game i have aghanims.redresher orb and even ghost scepter to help my team in the best that i can and not just getting ganked all the time and the last thing i would want to say is that supports are evenly seen low MMRs are played 1/8 so add this and its done 1/46
If you are in low bracket MMR the best way to do is play carry heroes that you are good at, choose 4-5 versatile carry that you are good at and spam them, don't listen to we need support, shit trash talk or anything, learn how to farm efficiently either from videos or tutorials in any format, learning stacking, last hit/deny/ creep aggro, stack pulling, item and map awareness, counter picking,etc . I once was in low bracket because I queue up for rank as soon as I can, was a total noob, but thing change when you are serious about it and make time for learning.
I have to say that I hate to be a support in lower tier game. Because: 1. The noob playing carry doesn't know how to last hit and farm 2. Low level carry thought he was superman and dive, then blame support for not healing him, 3. The carry only know how to hit, so creep equilibrium was so far away from our tower 4. The carry doesn't know how support ability works. Even when I told them that my healing was on CD, the PA blink right away to the full HP enemy surrounded by their creep. 5. There're 3 heroes playing farmville in the jungle, not even defending the tower or looking to mini map that enemy LC was missing and already got Blink Dagger. so... yeah, I agree with you. Better spam carry that we know and really good at and ignore the trash talk.
GraveUypo ye seems they want to make support heroes a little bit more scaling to the late game to add a little bit more opportunity for those glorious comebacks
This is a useful vid - thanks! When you paused the game and said 'where am I going to put this second ward' I was thinking you might try giving the WR a high ground ward against the Zeus, but I understand your justification for placing two wards close together to continue to allow the Luna to get free farm.
is invisible mmr a thing? i sucked so much when i first started and i just recently played ranked. im like 1 k mmr basically. im desperately trying to position and learn what i can so i can increase my mmr. any suggestions?
what about mid and late game.......i dont know what to do much but help gank ward and stick in teamfights...i still waste too much time going around empty jungle
If you left luna like this vs 2 strong laners they would either: a) kill her or zone her out; b) if a is not possible pull strong camp to deny luna's exp. If they were any reasonable they would do b) in this situation. Not just farm when luna gets more lvls then two of them. Your strategy relies on them being inefficient therefore wont work vs good players. I am only 2,6k scrub but thats what i would do. If anyone can prove me wrong please tell me so i can improve.
At first i thought abt it too since luna is quite squishy but since he farms solo, he get more lvls than the radiant offlane. His ms is also higher than those two so theres is a small chance for those two to dive luna unless sk ganks top and zeus reach 6 and ult.
the kill potential is still not high unless they decided to dive, and in that case i believe oracle is ready to TP. And as long as creep equilibrium is fine there's no need for oracle to leech exp there
4:02 "I pause because i thought the disruptor was lagging, he wasn't, he was just, uhm... FUCKING DOGSHIT AT THE FUCKING GAME!" is what he thought deep inside :D
For big camps, atack the creeps at XX:52 to stack... for small camp XX:55, for the big camp near the bot lane on radiant side, or the big camp top lane on dire side, pull at xx:53...
that ward on bot is not defensive its more of an aggressive thing purely because your waiting for som1 to tp up top...a defensive warding would have been planting ward near the tree near the 'hard pull camp because that place is gank prone area...ps placing ward on the 'typical' spot against zeus is really a bad idea lol
rougel lord Your opinion might've changed by the time I reply, but sentries are good if they have invis in the lane, (riki mainly), dewarding and finding techies mines.
Imo that 7min ward is rediculous!! Thats just very bad. Luna has vision at night also you could have used the first ward to ward the river below the ancient steps outside the aoe of zeus's lightning bolt which would give you the idea of zeus roaming or supp from bot while the ward next to enemy twer gives you overall vision
Like he said, Undying is strong in the laning stage. This is mainly because most of his skill is AoE which means more heroes = better for undying. Plus, luna hits level 6 faster and this mean she has a killing potential much sooner. Thus, it is so much better that he try not to hinder so much with Luna's xp gain
Yes sir! Dead on! The hardest part of supporting at a high level is taking 0 exp and 0 gold from the laning stage, and still having high game impact in the mid game. I plan on making more videos on this very soon!
This seems to be very hard to understand for low tier support players. You have to play to your carry's strengths. Luna, in this case, has a power spike at 6, giving him the lane gives a huge advantage over the enemy lane's players. Once he starts getting those kills, you'll get your XP soon enough. You can also get XP from neuts and wards. The important thing to take away here is that your carry gets an advantage. Now say you leave your carry and he gets harassed or zoned out all the time coz, you know, nub. Then babysit that fucker's ass till he feels confident with his game.
I usually like these videos a lot and I appreciate the fantastic content, but this particular one is too much narrating and not enough systematically explaining. This video, in my opinion, is not a general explanation of what to do and what not to do with regard to experience leeching (which would help me personally the most) but merely some replay watching without any in-depth explanations. Still I hope you keep up the work and I appreciate your stuff a lot.
when i just started rank match i lost 400 mmr. slowly climbing back 😂 i feel u .. mid or afk, dagon ks supp, feeder, all carry team, out of position blame no ward, hey we are underlevel lets keep throwing outselves to the enemy again and again, perhaps we might win(not), etc etc.
pulling and getting gold from small camps works too i can give my carry gold and exp and have my own gold and exp and stack but i fuck up the lane abit
Well what if your carry don’t have the brain capacity to think like what you’ve said, no magic wand, tanking creeps, can’t aggro pull, no regen items, passive right click pushing the wave, etc wew hello archons
LOL oracle vs centaur does nothing....but oracle vs undying also does nothing..
AMFilmz i fucking giggled like a little girl when he said that too haha
haahaha XD
AMFilmz wtf hahaha
I'm really sure someone will comment on this :D
This is great, next week could you do an episode on how to do an effective trilane?
Your thoughts are so me when I'm playing support. The relevance of this is superb for a true support player.
It's the little stuff "Oo free tombstone, what a good day." "Maybe I miss my stack, maybe I don't, oh lookie I didn't! What a great game."
This is the issues is lower tier game, not only the leeching but most if not all support will even try to get last hit as well as not denying any creeps,stack or pull but they don't matter because if you don't want to learn something then you better be content in where you are.
The sad part is even in 4k tier more often than not you will find such support and as I can see its because of all those account buying and smurf-ing. If you reach 5k its becoming a rare sight however like I said there are way too many account buyers and smurf account that you can still expect to see such support from time to time.
With the new update support can literally live without any cs from lane creeps because of talent tress and goes around harassing, stacking, pulling, rotating much more effectively. When I look at some of the comments here, as I expected many people still don't know that this guide is what every support players must know and must implement in their game. Carry > Support in a reasonable tier games say 4.5k and above, that's like universal rule and you want your carry to get the best out of laning phase even if you are gonna suffer in exp and gold. Because later int he game you will be compensated with assist gold and exp, your carry being more farmed and higher in level and thus the win.
Dota2 is a game of teamwork, learn that by now.
you forgot the single pulls. So sick of those. worse than not pulling. pull for 1 stack and push the lane all the way to the other side and give the offlaner free farm. Later say carry fail!!!
Claude Vanlalhruaia actually i am a low bracket player and actually i have an answer why supports often leech gold and exp from cores its because supports often just treated like nothing and not a hero at all and so what if a support is not a support nobody else complains a Winter Wyvern building desolator and hurricane pike and also these routines and rules just makes it so that the assasins (riki,clinkz,Phantom assasin and many more)eat the poor supports while stacking and also i like to play as a support but at the mid game i have aghanims.redresher orb and even ghost scepter to help my team in the best that i can and not just getting ganked all the time and the last thing i would want to say is that supports are evenly seen low MMRs are played 1/8 so add this and its done 1/46
If you are in low bracket MMR the best way to do is play carry heroes that you are good at, choose 4-5 versatile carry that you are good at and spam them, don't listen to we need support, shit trash talk or anything, learn how to farm efficiently either from videos or tutorials in any format, learning stacking, last hit/deny/ creep aggro, stack pulling, item and map awareness, counter picking,etc . I once was in low bracket because I queue up for rank as soon as I can, was a total noob, but thing change when you are serious about it and make time for learning.
Claude Vanlalhruaia I even find it in my own party, and it's actually my friend sitting beside me, so i smacked his head then
I have to say that I hate to be a support in lower tier game. Because:
1. The noob playing carry doesn't know how to last hit and farm
2. Low level carry thought he was superman and dive, then blame support for not healing him,
3. The carry only know how to hit, so creep equilibrium was so far away from our tower
4. The carry doesn't know how support ability works. Even when I told them that my healing was on CD, the PA blink right away to the full HP enemy surrounded by their creep.
5. There're 3 heroes playing farmville in the jungle, not even defending the tower or looking to mini map that enemy LC was missing and already got Blink Dagger.
so... yeah, I agree with you. Better spam carry that we know and really good at and ignore the trash talk.
talk thrash , and lose your clarity
lel
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+GoldenBoi production value could be higher good content thou.
NecŤaЯβox needs more dank memes to win reddit over.
Cause ppl are stupid !
We need guides on how to ward effectively in latest patch. Thanks :D
this is so much easier to do in 7.00 and up. with multiple bounties and farm talents for supports.
GraveUypo ye seems they want to make support heroes a little bit more scaling to the late game to add a little bit more opportunity for those glorious comebacks
7.00
The beginning of the supports uprising
Supports can't do as many pulls though because of the camps spawning every odd minute but I do love the evolution of the support
+Murray McGregor heh
+Murray McGregor heh
lol I thought the disruptor was lagging..he wasn't he was just feeding
Hugely informative, especially the Undying stuff. Great video.
This is a useful vid - thanks!
When you paused the game and said 'where am I going to put this second ward' I was thinking you might try giving the WR a high ground ward against the Zeus, but I understand your justification for placing two wards close together to continue to allow the Luna to get free farm.
Also Zeus could just randomly lightning bolt and get vision of the ward
That is a good point. I always forget that Zeus is a dewarding machine.
thank for posting this video I've learned much about supporting.. I play support most of my game so I think I can try those tips.. thanks sir
when should we start warding the map ?
lol I love how glitchey the replay is
is invisible mmr a thing? i sucked so much when i first started and i just recently played ranked. im like 1 k mmr basically. im desperately trying to position and learn what i can so i can increase my mmr. any suggestions?
Very good in depth content. Actually shows that dota2 is a real-time strategy game. Keep up the good work!
Best guide is to stack the small camp, finish it off, and gank at level 2 with Pudge. Get sentries in case the offlaner tries to block it.
awesome vid man, loved it
I like the slow style of the video
what about mid and late game.......i dont know what to do much but help gank ward and stick in teamfights...i still waste too much time going around empty jungle
If you left luna like this vs 2 strong laners they would either:
a) kill her or zone her out; b) if a is not possible pull strong camp to deny luna's exp.
If they were any reasonable they would do b) in this situation. Not just farm when luna gets more lvls then two of them. Your strategy relies on them being inefficient therefore wont work vs good players.
I am only 2,6k scrub but thats what i would do.
If anyone can prove me wrong please tell me so i can improve.
At first i thought abt it too since luna is quite squishy but since he farms solo, he get more lvls than the radiant offlane. His ms is also higher than those two so theres is a small chance for those two to dive luna unless sk ganks top and zeus reach 6 and ult.
the kill potential is still not high unless they decided to dive, and in that case i believe oracle is ready to TP. And as long as creep equilibrium is fine there's no need for oracle to leech exp there
thx man, I learn a lot from ur video, thx you
Love the video thanks!
@11:40 why the hell is there a techies? can someone explain?
sure, it's a visual bug in the replay :P
4:02 "I pause because i thought the disruptor was lagging, he wasn't, he was just, uhm... FUCKING DOGSHIT AT THE FUCKING GAME!" is what he thought deep inside :D
What support champion is good on a new dota player
*heroes
lich
I like heroes with a lot of crowd control like lion or shadow shaman. I think its easy to start being effective with them
I play hard carry and I learnt a lot ty
good tips. i feel smarter now. my weakness is stacking sometimes, it works sometimes it is not. need more practise
For big camps, atack the creeps at XX:52 to stack... for small camp XX:55, for the big camp near the bot lane on radiant side, or the big camp top lane on dire side, pull at xx:53...
Very well done. Just gonna put it out there so the trolls stop going crazy, yes he took some xp, but seriously, it was like 50.
11:40 why the hell did the hero name say techies???
Where is part 2?
Fantastic video. Keep doing this, plz. =D
Ooh I miss that map...
Techies?
your line up is just better to be fair, but nice vid:)
that ward on bot is not defensive its more of an aggressive thing purely because your waiting for som1 to tp up top...a defensive warding would have been planting ward near the tree near the 'hard pull camp because that place is gank prone area...ps placing ward on the 'typical' spot against zeus is really a bad idea lol
1:05 it says techies
11:41 techies
im 7 k and here i am watching tips from 6k. good tips. u shuld take notes
11:39 Techies??? o.O
Re-uplode?
buying sentry is not a good idea in 1k to 2k .i try that and theres nothing u can do
rougel lord Your opinion might've changed by the time I reply, but sentries are good if they have invis in the lane, (riki mainly), dewarding and finding techies mines.
pretty sure his joke was that there are no wards to deward.
exactly
Subscribe , good to know how to be a better support
Why is his hero called techies?
Imo that 7min ward is rediculous!! Thats just very bad. Luna has vision at night also you could have used the first ward to ward the river below the ancient steps outside the aoe of zeus's lightning bolt which would give you the idea of zeus roaming or supp from bot while the ward next to enemy twer gives you overall vision
Am I the only one who noticed that doto displays his name as "Techies"?
I love that guy!
amazing voice, amazing tutorial xD
ty
:D
I'm sure support needs more xp than that, what is wrong with laning but just letting your carries get last hits
Like he said, Undying is strong in the laning stage. This is mainly because most of his skill is AoE which means more heroes = better for undying. Plus, luna hits level 6 faster and this mean she has a killing potential much sooner. Thus, it is so much better that he try not to hinder so much with Luna's xp gain
Yes sir! Dead on! The hardest part of supporting at a high level is taking 0 exp and 0 gold from the laning stage, and still having high game impact in the mid game. I plan on making more videos on this very soon!
Chick magnet - a.k.a Yu agreed with you
This seems to be very hard to understand for low tier support players. You have to play to your carry's strengths.
Luna, in this case, has a power spike at 6, giving him the lane gives a huge advantage over the enemy lane's players. Once he starts getting those kills, you'll get your XP soon enough.
You can also get XP from neuts and wards. The important thing to take away here is that your carry gets an advantage.
Now say you leave your carry and he gets harassed or zoned out all the time coz, you know, nub. Then babysit that fucker's ass till he feels confident with his game.
"If finger of death of aoe and global it would be op" Oh really? This guy really knows what he's talking about
that looks more like a 2500 game than a 6k game
exactly my thoughts too
I came here because of u r commenting on baumi's videos hahaha😂 hi
great video! more! more!
GameLeap DotA2 Guides Game leap app play store?
"Techies"
I usually like these videos a lot and I appreciate the fantastic content, but this particular one is too much narrating and not enough systematically explaining. This video, in my opinion, is not a general explanation of what to do and what not to do with regard to experience leeching (which would help me personally the most) but merely some replay watching without any in-depth explanations. Still I hope you keep up the work and I appreciate your stuff a lot.
everyhero is luna in hero pic :D :D
i really want to be 7kMmr but actually i'm always losing,just because of my noob teammates.I'm trying my best but I'm always losing :(
when i just started rank match i lost 400 mmr. slowly climbing back 😂 i feel u .. mid or afk, dagon ks supp, feeder, all carry team, out of position blame no ward, hey we are underlevel lets keep throwing outselves to the enemy again and again, perhaps we might win(not), etc etc.
Oracle vs centaur does nothing but oracle vs UNDYING......also does nothing hahahahahahahaha
9:41 OHH YOU SUCKERR
I've seen at least 3 commentaries on this video, it is so abused.
IMAGINE DOTA WITH A GLOBAL LION FINGER!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
+wrnghd21 Zeus + Lion + Natures meta, lvl. 6 instakill everyone.
Imagine magnus rp global
woah there satan
wrnghd21 imagine ur dying later
bad idea all the way
u have a good nuker character give those kill to the core
so easy
not really i just know hot to play as a good nuker-support
trust me, u will help a lot more by reaching high levels than stay in level 3 at minute 15
pulling and getting gold from small camps works too
i can give my carry gold and exp and have my own gold and exp
and stack but i fuck up the lane abit
in 4k or 5k..luna will crying and feed then abandon LOL
This is 6k rofl
Nah you see your words about Finger is now can be upgraded into AoE with Aghanim, which means aghanim is silly imbalance lol
Well what if your carry don’t have the brain capacity to think like what you’ve said, no magic wand, tanking creeps, can’t aggro pull, no regen items, passive right click pushing the wave, etc wew hello archons
wtf the explanations aren't clear theyr'e kinda lunatic... I don't get it but maybe some ppl get it... Nice work anyway :)
Yeah, the rest of us get it.
hes funny haha
another guide vs 500 mmr players..
in sea oracle will reported.. and luna crying and leave lane to nc..then game over in 8 mnts...LUL
guide: how to suck and reach lvl 6 at 15min
Most Russian have brain disease. Can't really blame them.
Nothing personal, but....
this oracle player did absolutly nothing in this match...
Talking about pro behaviour without showing good content :/