the starting soon screen. Just depends how long they go on for. 10 minutes MAX but if its about 5 mins I think it's ok but I also think why not just go live and not sit and wait just get the show started. if a tv show is scheduled at 10pm do we tune it and watch a starting soon screen for 10 mins.. no. although it's usually a little recap of the previous episode/season. Theres some streamers that have ridiculously long starting soon screen times though.. I've known some to be 45 minutes.. and more it was a podcast/ talk show and they was "waiting for the guests to join"
I 100% agree with the going live tweet, especially if that person streams almost every day, I have muted people on twitter because of that. I have to watch what you say about starting soon screens in the other video, but I do I disagree with the twitch pre rolls ads because I normally have multiple streams up at once that I switch between, so Ill keep the stream up and watch after the ad is done.
Definitely agree with the “going live” tweets bit. Unless it has some sort of engaging content within the tweet, its boring to look at and I’ll scroll past it. That being said, I wouldn’t mind trying Devin’s method of putting out these tweets then deleting them so that my TL isn’t plastered with these tweets.
At least there's a couple of ways of making "going live" tweets less painful (or not painful at all), one simply has to stop being so lazy about those. And Harris has just motivated me to figure out how to make those "starting soon" screens work. :-D (hint: I've seen Webinars draw people in 30 minutes - with something engaging - before they start.) In my opinion, the jury's out on logos at the moment (I personally don't care). So that leaves the bit about pre-roll and organizations. . . no argument from me on those.
Audio quality being more important than video quality makes sense to me for two reasons. First, bad audio quality can be physically painful and people will click away ASAP. While bad video quality is a bit detrimental but people may still stay. Second, some people listen to Twitch in the background as they work so audio quality is 100% of the engagement.
If it's a stream I want to watch and I already know that, I usually sit through the preroll ad. But if it's an unknown stream I am checking out for the first time, I'd say 75% of the time I close the twitch browser tab and just watch youtube videos when I get the ad. I watch streamers I know and I REALLY have to be in a certain mood to have the patience to discover new streams because of it. It's almost like a punishment for not being subscribed, if you look at it. Twitch is taking too much from viewers. How about letting people check out streams before they get bombarded? It is common for me to check out 10-15 NEW youtube channels in a sitting. If I were to do this on twitch I have wasted upwards of 10 minutes watching ads, for something I dont even KNOW that I want to see. This is ridiculous and greedy. My time has value, but twitch doesn't think so. Maybe show an ad once they have watched long enough to be engaged? Novel idea. Oh wait. RUclips did it first. 5 seconds then skip is do-able. A full 30 second ad every time you check out a stream is just greedy and punishes both the streamer and viewer.
I feel like it contradicts the core concept of their discussion though. It seems more like you have to do what works to get initial growth(ie not an anomoly) before you can afford to experiment with things that might make you one...
It's corporate greed, trust me if they could they would have implemented ads on every channel change a long time ago but because of the way tvs work that isn't possible. This hasn't stopped some providers from doing this to some VOD everytime you play it or online places like Hulu and such from displaying a ton of ads. It's corporate greed, the way ads work is to tell you to shuttup and listen to me because im the one with money to make you do that. It's very ineffective and dehumanizing, hardly anybody ever clicks or goes to those ads. The whole industry is stupid.
I actually like the "Stream Starting Soon" panels -- at least when it comes to Twitch communities I'm a part of. It gives the community a quick chance to catch up in chat with eachother and say hi :)
As an art streamer and as a movie streamer I find them 100% integral to the way I run my stream. Give folks a moment to settle in or grab a snack before the show or the chit chat.
Okay, I have a tip for everyone who doesn't want to get rid of "starting soon" screens: Add a countdown. Seeing a countdown on screen makes the waiting way more bearable.
I'm in the early stages of building my youtube channel and twitch stream and been watching your videos and trying to pick up tips and lessons from it. The twitter go live one was interesting, so I gave it a go tonight. Now obviously really small numbers... My previous "go live" tweet on Tuesday for 32 impressions 1 engagement. This was simply a link to my twitch page saying go live. Tonight's I included a picture of my minecraft base along with twitch link and going live. 33 impressions, 11 engagements. Quite the improvement. Seeing loud and clear that I am not using twitter correctly. Thank you for the video's and tips.
A film friend of mine once said the difference between a Film and your personal family videos is sound. The reason why film stands out is you can close your eyes during a movie while sitting in the theatre and paint the picture with what you hear... THAT is WHY audio is so important
Can confirm on the audio thing. Always considered that a must from speaking clearly to making it sound professional. Not just the quality but mastering too. Adding that impact to your sound without peaking
Pre-roll ads are an ez kill. Imagine that every time you switched the channel on your TV, it would play a 30 second ad. The viewership numbers would drop so fast
Twitting "going live tweets" text only will actually hurt your engagement 100% if you have a small following. All social medias, twitter, IG, etc just focus on pages that will generate them ad revenue. So if you have 200 followers and tweet text only chance of them viewing it will be high, but the chance of them giving the post a favorite , liking or res posting is slim. So if Instagram, twitter, sees that you're not getting engagements, what they will start to do is "shadowban" your post so that it doesn't get exposure, which means that only a certain amount of followers will now see your post instead of all your followers . The only expectations are big streamers/ people with a BIG Following because if they have 500,000 followers and only 130,000k people see their post there is still going to be 3k-6k people liking it etc. Do not post random things, going live text or anything that isnt going to grab someones attention if you're a smaller page with little following it will 100% hurt you.
The pre-roll ad bit is a really good discussion and something I've battled with. One thing I've been doing lately is using my start screen - sorry, Harris :-) - to run a 90-second ad, which then disables pre-rolls for 30 minutes. Then after running the ad is when I let people know I'm live on discord, twitch, etc. As Devin says, I wish they'd remove pre-roll ads completely, but they especially should for streamers with low viewer numbers.
Your Content and friendgroup / streamer group seem so down to earth. Really appreciate having your voices as a streamer and content creator. Been a streamer for two years now and have been enjoying your advice throughout my journey. Keep it up harris.
I seriously appreciate the value, Devin and Harris! You guys are awesome, and I'm super pumped to get my new gaming channel up to teach people how to succeed on RUclips, which they can use for their own streams and what not. Love ya man. Keep up the awesome value! Thank you!
I love that this stream clearly wasn't prearranged or scripted. I love that they had different opinions about the tweets but they talked it out and discussed it properly.
16:50 i think what Harris is saying is that would you rather watch something with (1080p with shit crackling audio) or (360p with perfect audio) as an example.
@@Brismo7 Well watching youtube content without an adblocker supports the content creators. Its just the easiest way. You could donate or buy youtube premium to support them but watching a 5 second ad is way easier.
Love you and Devin talking twitch and RUclips, I gotta stop by one of these days when you guys collab if you do it again! (Hopefully no pre roll ad lol) if you uploaded this as a vid I’d prolly watch the whole thing
I gotta be honest, your videos have helped me out a lot man. I hadn't streamed for years as I was worried about wasting my time, focused on making videos for me and my friends. But about a month ago, I picked it back up and I put your advice to good use. Streamed daily for a solid week and got affiliate, now I'm doing a set schedule and the people who helped me get there are still tuning in for every stream and it's all thanks to your advice. Thank you so much ❤️
I agree with the preroll ad issue, I almost ALWAYS leave when a preroll plays - unless I'm watching a streamer which I've been watching for a long time. Same goes for starting soon screens. If I'm scrolling through looking for random streamers and get hit with a preroll or a starting soon screen, I'll just leave and either watch someone I like or watch RUclips. The thing with the production quality standpoint, most small streamers don't have the funding to just go buy all the high-quality gear - but it isn't necessary, have a personality, stream using what you have, build an audience and then buy higher quality gear. There is no point in pumping hundreds to thousands of dollars into your streaming career when you haven't established footing for yourself.
They need to toss the pre-roll ads - once I made affiliate and all of a sudden had those occurring regularly I had a ton of people asking whats up with the ad...
As a new streamer (I have no illusions of granduer btw it's just a hobby) this is great advice and I've literally done everything on this list (all from reading beginners guides to Twitch)... It's quite the challenge to come up with a USP for your stream but definitely food for thought.... All of your videos are super helpful thanks for posting
I think there's an important point that was hit on towards the end. If it's a hobby, go all out on production quality if that's what makes you happy. Know that it isn't the key to make you a superstar streamer, but if it's making you happy, go for that SM7B and your DSLR. Have fun.
Cpt. Obvious statement, many might consider a eureka moment, High production value on a channel about "high production value" ...kinda important. Great stuff as always man (guys), thank you.
About the discussion of is audio or video more important. I am a commercial director and yes, audio is more important for online content. People will watch a video with crappy video quality, but they will not watch a video where the audio is painful to their ears. BUT to your question, would you rather be blind or deaf... I would rather be deaf. 100%. I am actually a two time cancer survivor but the chemo made me lose a lot of my hearing function on the high end. That said, I get around just fine without any hearing aids or anything. If I lost my vision that would not be the case. So I am definitely firmly in the "would rather lose my hearing" camp, as someone with some experience in the matter. Haha. Keep up the great content man.
Honestly these are all valid points. A lot of it is along the lines of streamers don't know exactly where to go, so they do what is commonplace among popular streamers and rarely find their own voice, and along with that, they think to succeed, they have to be a part of something bigger than them, which (in the area of joining orgs, or large teams with no $$$, and no visibility) kill their viewability, and possibility for a career in streaming.
I always run an ad when I'm taking a break and put on the be right back screen and some music. It gets rid of the pre roll ads briefly and no one is missing anything important because it's a be right back screen
Me and a friend made my logo lol...I only just got affiliate so right now I am trying to just do everything on my own as much as I can because I know hiring an artist for emotes, overlays, logos, etc is costly. Might as well put the effort in to learn how to do it on your own so later when you CAN afford to pay someone you are able to actually have a proper discussion on what you want, and how you want it to be. ...also thanks to the insight and suggestions from this video, I disabled the pre-roll ads thing. I didn't even consider how annoying that probably is for someone. Glad I got another perspective on that so I can continue to improve ^^
I wanna say thank you @ Alpha gaming,because im nearly 30 years old but now i started streaming and youtube. i feel confident because of all the Videos you Guys produce thanks Harris and thank you Sam!
Man when audio standard transition from headphone mics to USB or condenser mics was such a beautiful time for humanity, my ears only bleed 25% of the time now.
I disagree on the logo point, but in a different way. I think when you're starting out, a logo is something that is like a thought experiment. It gets your mind thinking... how do I want to brand myself and my stream, what kind of theme do I want? It's a waste if you pay a bunch of money for one, but if you have to go through the thoughts yourself, I think it is helpful and is a simple first step to taking streaming more seriously (albeit not much).
I think this is all interesting and very helpful for new content creators like myself. Although for me personally I started off with relatively decent equipment because I had my brothers hand me downs from when he was going to pursue twitch and still use it. However if im being honest I was mostly infatuated with the pokemon slowly making there way into the pokeball through out your stream. Really interesting visual and would love to learn how to do it.
How about a Transformation Series which shows how you have helped somebody starting out, the advice you've given them, what they did well / not so well, and the result, say after a year. Like how a Personal Trainer posts before and now pics of their clients. It may take 6 months to a year to analyse, but I think would make for great content and lessons to be learned by us all. Even say taking a complete beginner who is willing to put the time in, and say they get to 10-20 average viewers + a good social following.
Honestly as someone who is legally blind audio helps me profusely when it comes to gaming and just life in general. My sense of touch is drastically heightened as well.
Not going to lie, I really despise pre-roll ads. As a small streamer I feel really stuck. Do I run ads more often in my stream? Hurting those that are already viewing the stream, so I can attract new viewers? Or do I not run ads, and then all new viewers have to sit through an ad to watch... AHHHHHHHH. What y'all think?😅
I'm in the same boat, but I think running a mid roll ad a couple minutes after you start the stream is the way to go. And then at least 1-2 ads every hour
Woah, the timing of this could not have been better. I always used my logo as my Twitch profile pic, but recently redesigned it to show myself (taking inspiration from Sam's profile)
Harris, great video as always. I do stream on twitch and also run a very small youtube channel. I do it because I like to do it and also I like to improve and when I go back and see my content I am proud of always try to improve the general quality. Your videos are a reference for me to improve and I have learn tons. Keep up the great work bud.
I leave a twitch stream immediately if there's an ad before it. Then if I really want to check it out I start Chromecasting on twitch, then I click on the stream so I don't have to watch the ad. I don't watch twitch much, and I pay for RUclips premium. If they had something like that, I'd probably get it for when I on occasion watch twitch. They should throw an ad in after something like 5 or 10 minutes of watching a steam. At that point I'm more likely to keep watching it because I'm more into the stream at that point.
Something definitely overlooked that Alpha did in this video - prioritized scenes based on whose mic was picking up the conversation most. Absolute genius
Hi Harris, I love your content and try to catch you on stream always when I can :) I Have already watched your whole VoD on twitch, and watch it here again because was a really good conversation (I still need to change my avatar, I know hahaha) But I have some questiones that maybe other people have as well, so here is a suggestion for a video, maybe? 1- Language as a niche market? I'm from Brazil, and I can't decide if I stream / make youtube videos in portuguese or in english. Its not simple because there are 2 possible ways to look at this: a) Like I said before, as an oportunity to use the language as a "niche". Because there are more people streaming in English than in portuguese, so it is easier to be "found" in each category when you use the filter "portuguese". b) As a problem of money value. To subscribe in twitch it cost around 5 usd, but to subscribe in Brazil it costs 22,5 reals. It means that its cheaper to subscribe if you earn in dolars, therefore it is "easier" to get subscribed from someone who lives with dolars, right? And the same thing happens with youtube ads and partnerships with brands. I can make "cheaper" prices to advertise something because I will receive 5x its value in my currency. (btw, I've already lived outside brazil, so I dont think speaking english will be impossible haha) 2 - What do you think about creating a brand as a variety streamers? Because I'm not a huge fan of a specific game or kind of game, and sometimes I like to do "just chatting" talking about anything. The problem is: how to grow in youtube and twitter if you don't post videos and create content about only one theme. Im gonna use myself as a example again, I already did a video playing Ori and the Blind Forest (kind of puzzle 2d game?), Tree of Savior (MMORPG), Valorant (FPS), PanzerBall, The cycle (FPS), I have one video about animes coming soon, and this go on... So, the question is, Do you think it is necessary to choose a topic for your content and brand, or it is okay to just mix everything together? I'm trying to make myself as clear as possible, so if you don't understand something I can try to explain in a different way hahaha Again, thank you so much for your videos and all the help you give to people
Pick one type see what works and you enjoy.I'm Brazillian too and gonna start doing some gameplays of games that I will explain with news or top tens on my channel. Espero lançar vídeos em breve!
I'm Brazilian too, and I have the exact same doubt. I started the RUclips Channel two weeks ago, and began with a "preview moments" video, and then began to release videos of a game called Hollow Knight (indie 2d game, really cool)...but sometimes I think I should go in another direction, produce some other kinds of contents, and in the midst of this, I end up getting lost in the ideas.
I run your vids as podcast man(this one is literally the one), and for sure Audio owns. Which made me think, that it varies from stream to stream, if it's a girl stream, picture ftw probably. Or it's some really flashy dude with cool emotion acting. Or, a voice acting dude. Also, audio is often easier to make, there are some streamers even without camera and I feel the same joy from them, even if they aren't like top tier gamers.
Great points, I ended up getting just a vectorized profile picture of myself because I actually am into the artistic side of things. However, I can totally second the quality point brought up. That is really specific and audio will trump video any day for many of the reasons already cited in the comments. So, GOXLR mini(s) need to become available again so I can make use of my rode podmic instead of using my headset microphone!! :-)
Yo Harris, I'm a little late on this video and this comment is most likely gonna get lost but you've helped me grow my channel so much. I've only been streaming for 3 months now and just got to Affiliate last week and already have 22 subscribers. I really can't thank you enough for all the advice you give. Too bad you probably won't see this comment but I just wanted to post it anyway.
I like when these two colab and discuss streams. They both have good advice but the other guy has an attitude in his solo video that would almost put you off streaming even though he has solid points. Alpha is a lot more welcoming and encouraging and makes the other guy more bearable to watch and even gets brought down a peg or two.
I am curious what the 5th topic will be :D Thanks for all your help. It really gives me something to work with. And btw. I never watch a pre-roll ad, especially if I visit a new channel. I want to see the streamer first. And if I like him it is more likely I watch an ad mid stream.
100% on the org. Whole reason why my partner and I made ours and dumped thousands into it. Majority of the other orgs around do nothing for their creators. No game currency's to randomly sponsor giveaways for their chat, no product care packages, no apparel given as a creator, no actual events with their creators or any sort of give backs. It's a clout grab from the majority of orgs to get you to push their brand/team for publicity but won't give back.
Blindness separates people from things; deafness separates people from people. Helen Keller So to your point about audio being more important..I have to agree... Being deaf can be a lonely experience...so make sure that audio is on point
Audio is WAY more important. I will keep watching an interesting video if i can hear it clearly but no matter how interesting the video is, if they either keep blowing earraping plosives into my eardrums or if I struggle to hear what they are saying so much that I can't catch on to what they are saying, I'm done pretty fast. I could have easily watched this video in 480p with the same audio and still thanked you for the content.
I sold high end home audio for years and my go to analogy with clients to show why audio was more important than video is I would have them watch a scene from a movie with no audio and then again with no video and only audio. I followed it up with the question which did you feel more immersed in and 99.9% of the time it was the audio only demo.
Thing is though that is not the streamers fault it is twitch, which is a bad thing, because what if that person ends up being someone you like to watch, and you won't watch because of a 30 second ad the streamer has no control over. that hurts that streamer big time.
I agree with what you are saying however most small streamers aren't making money and that pocket change help with ads. Subscribing to Prime cuts the ads. So in essence somewhere you pay for something. Majority of individuals now call Twitch a "Career" but if you are a small streamer and not making money it becomes more of a hobby. It becomes really hard to have a huge follower base in all social media platforms. Alot of individuals love to get shout outs and that in my eyes, hurt small streamers viewership.
Love videos like this. I stream on RUclips now after getting affiliate on Twitch two years ago. I'm doing well on TikTok and RUclips integrates much better than Twitch. Short clips are what I enjoy doing, long videos with lots of editing - not so much. The fact that my vods get saved onto RUclips (which is known for videos more than streaming) is great. My focus is getting good clips for TikTok, so all I have to do is click Go Live and my RUclips video is taken care of. This ties in to "Starting Soon" intros... I only Go Live when the stream is interesting and I end it as soon as the vibes fizzle out. Treat your stream like a video and make every second count! Streaming to no viewers feels bad. Streaming with the intention of making a good vod made the whole process easier.
Seriously the more I watch both of you, the more what I'm doing in pre production all comes into more and more focus. You guys have stopped me from sabotaging myself at least 20 times already and I don't really "go live" until Monday of next week. Seriously Harris, Devin. Thank you guys.
Which one of these do you agree with most? Which do you disagree with most?
the starting soon screen. Just depends how long they go on for. 10 minutes MAX but if its about 5 mins I think it's ok but I also think why not just go live and not sit and wait just get the show started. if a tv show is scheduled at 10pm do we tune it and watch a starting soon screen for 10 mins.. no. although it's usually a little recap of the previous episode/season. Theres some streamers that have ridiculously long starting soon screen times though.. I've known some to be 45 minutes.. and more it was a podcast/ talk show and they was "waiting for the guests to join"
Honestly I'm disappointed with this video.
I 100% agree with the going live tweet, especially if that person streams almost every day, I have muted people on twitter because of that. I have to watch what you say about starting soon screens in the other video, but I do I disagree with the twitch pre rolls ads because I normally have multiple streams up at once that I switch between, so Ill keep the stream up and watch after the ad is done.
Definitely agree with the “going live” tweets bit. Unless it has some sort of engaging content within the tweet, its boring to look at and I’ll scroll past it. That being said, I wouldn’t mind trying Devin’s method of putting out these tweets then deleting them so that my TL isn’t plastered with these tweets.
At least there's a couple of ways of making "going live" tweets less painful (or not painful at all), one simply has to stop being so lazy about those. And Harris has just motivated me to figure out how to make those "starting soon" screens work. :-D (hint: I've seen Webinars draw people in 30 minutes - with something engaging - before they start.) In my opinion, the jury's out on logos at the moment (I personally don't care). So that leaves the bit about pre-roll and organizations. . . no argument from me on those.
If the pre-roll ads weren’t 30 Second. I wouldn’t leave
Seriously, I swapped streams the other day. From Streamer A to B and back to A. I had to watch 2 ads which were both like 30 seconds. Really annoying
Kyosika ikr this happens always to me. It should be that ads on twitch streams should be a max of 15 seconds
What are your thoughts of doing the midroll while AFK to stop prerolls for X amount of time?
@@Allstin Personally I think that's fine as I can just go afk as well
That's the thing, you can't really remove them. I wish I could.
Audio quality being more important than video quality makes sense to me for two reasons. First, bad audio quality can be physically painful and people will click away ASAP. While bad video quality is a bit detrimental but people may still stay. Second, some people listen to Twitch in the background as they work so audio quality is 100% of the engagement.
Tyler1 mic?
@@AtaraxyVAL The exception
Your ears are more easily offended than your eyes
@@OswinKG tyler1 managed to make it his brand, it’d be wrong for him to use a good mic and it’d feel weird
@@ternedo6074 I was saying he is the exception to the rule. He's a rare case of being able to make that part of his brand.
If it's a stream I want to watch and I already know that, I usually sit through the preroll ad. But if it's an unknown stream I am checking out for the first time, I'd say 75% of the time I close the twitch browser tab and just watch youtube videos when I get the ad. I watch streamers I know and I REALLY have to be in a certain mood to have the patience to discover new streams because of it. It's almost like a punishment for not being subscribed, if you look at it. Twitch is taking too much from viewers. How about letting people check out streams before they get bombarded? It is common for me to check out 10-15 NEW youtube channels in a sitting. If I were to do this on twitch I have wasted upwards of 10 minutes watching ads, for something I dont even KNOW that I want to see. This is ridiculous and greedy. My time has value, but twitch doesn't think so. Maybe show an ad once they have watched long enough to be engaged? Novel idea. Oh wait. RUclips did it first. 5 seconds then skip is do-able. A full 30 second ad every time you check out a stream is just greedy and punishes both the streamer and viewer.
So true
Spot on, right here. It helps the top streamers and really hurts folks with low view numbers trying to get discovered.
This 🙌🏻
1000%. Force me to watch an ad once I'm already engaged? Sure, thats cool. Make me watch an ad before i know if i even want to watch this? Nahhhhh
“If you wanna be an anomaly you have to act like one.”
I know this was a throwaway line but it speaks volumes.
I feel like it contradicts the core concept of their discussion though. It seems more like you have to do what works to get initial growth(ie not an anomoly) before you can afford to experiment with things that might make you one...
I wish that non-partners could disable pre-rolls.
100% agree that pre-roll ads are killing streaming - people watching TV aren’t given an ad every time they change the channel
Very good point indeed. As we get bombarded with ads on any platform daily. So if we can choose to cansel one, we do 😉
Idk, I feel like every time I go to change the channel on TV it's just more ads. But I do usually watch stuff online with 0 or reduced ads anyway.
It's corporate greed, trust me if they could they would have implemented ads on every channel change a long time ago but because of the way tvs work that isn't possible. This hasn't stopped some providers from doing this to some VOD everytime you play it or online places like Hulu and such from displaying a ton of ads. It's corporate greed, the way ads work is to tell you to shuttup and listen to me because im the one with money to make you do that. It's very ineffective and dehumanizing, hardly anybody ever clicks or goes to those ads. The whole industry is stupid.
I actually like the "Stream Starting Soon" panels -- at least when it comes to Twitch communities I'm a part of. It gives the community a quick chance to catch up in chat with eachother and say hi :)
Kelsey same!
As an art streamer and as a movie streamer I find them 100% integral to the way I run my stream. Give folks a moment to settle in or grab a snack before the show or the chit chat.
Okay, I have a tip for everyone who doesn't want to get rid of "starting soon" screens: Add a countdown. Seeing a countdown on screen makes the waiting way more bearable.
If I see one, I'm likely to bounce. Maybe I'll come back, maybe I won't....not because I don't want to but I could get distracted by something else
I only use mine for like 2 minutes so I can make sure everything is working after I start up without me fumbling around live on screen.
I'm in the early stages of building my youtube channel and twitch stream and been watching your videos and trying to pick up tips and lessons from it. The twitter go live one was interesting, so I gave it a go tonight. Now obviously really small numbers...
My previous "go live" tweet on Tuesday for 32 impressions 1 engagement. This was simply a link to my twitch page saying go live.
Tonight's I included a picture of my minecraft base along with twitch link and going live. 33 impressions, 11 engagements.
Quite the improvement. Seeing loud and clear that I am not using twitter correctly. Thank you for the video's and tips.
A film friend of mine once said the difference between a Film and your personal family videos is sound. The reason why film stands out is you can close your eyes during a movie while sitting in the theatre and paint the picture with what you hear... THAT is WHY audio is so important
This should be made into a weekly pod cast. I love listening to these conversations.
when harris says "I don't think there are blind people watching this" I'm just out here living my best blind life 😎
This is by far your best type of content, keep it up👌💜
Flea! Never knew u were a Harris Heller fan lol!
holy shit.you're my favourite creative fortnite youtuber and harris is my favourite tech/streaming advice youtuber. you watch him!
Did this content help double ur edit speed?
Pretty cool to know you're a Harris Heller fan too. Check dm on insta 👍🏼
so did you double your editing speed by watching this?
In a years time Harris will be at a million
HOW ARE YOU EVERYWHERE - OTV, HARRIS, WHAT THE FUCK, I HAVEN'T WATCHED YOU SINCE I WAS 6
He's not 😭😭😭😭😭
I am from the future and sadly he didn't make it.😫😫😫😫
Can confirm on the audio thing. Always considered that a must from speaking clearly to making it sound professional. Not just the quality but mastering too. Adding that impact to your sound without peaking
Pre-roll ads are an ez kill. Imagine that every time you switched the channel on your TV, it would play a 30 second ad. The viewership numbers would drop so fast
That would literally be the final nail in cable TVs coffin.
@@Purpetrat0r exactly. I would watch so many more new streamers if I didn’t have to sit through an ad.
This is literally cable.
The moment the pre roll ad comes I leave, sometimes I just close the whole app and just do something else
Twitting "going live tweets" text only will actually hurt your engagement 100% if you have a small following. All social medias, twitter, IG, etc just focus on pages that will generate them ad revenue. So if you have 200 followers and tweet text only chance of them viewing it will be high, but the chance of them giving the post a favorite , liking or res posting is slim. So if Instagram, twitter, sees that you're not getting engagements, what they will start to do is "shadowban" your post so that it doesn't get exposure, which means that only a certain amount of followers will now see your post instead of all your followers . The only expectations are big streamers/ people with a BIG Following because if they have 500,000 followers and only 130,000k people see their post there is still going to be 3k-6k people liking it etc. Do not post random things, going live text or anything that isnt going to grab someones attention if you're a smaller page with little following it will 100% hurt you.
how would you say is a good way of advertising your stream but maxing out engagements?
The pre-roll ad bit is a really good discussion and something I've battled with. One thing I've been doing lately is using my start screen - sorry, Harris :-) - to run a 90-second ad, which then disables pre-rolls for 30 minutes. Then after running the ad is when I let people know I'm live on discord, twitch, etc. As Devin says, I wish they'd remove pre-roll ads completely, but they especially should for streamers with low viewer numbers.
Your Content and friendgroup / streamer group seem so down to earth.
Really appreciate having your voices as a streamer and content creator.
Been a streamer for two years now and have been enjoying your advice throughout my journey.
Keep it up harris.
I seriously appreciate the value, Devin and Harris! You guys are awesome, and I'm super pumped to get my new gaming channel up to teach people how to succeed on RUclips, which they can use for their own streams and what not. Love ya man. Keep up the awesome value! Thank you!
I love that this stream clearly wasn't prearranged or scripted. I love that they had different opinions about the tweets but they talked it out and discussed it properly.
These are incredibly helpful topics. We have you both to thank for this information!
16:50 i think what Harris is saying is that would you rather watch something with (1080p with shit crackling audio) or (360p with perfect audio) as an example.
Simple: Get a shitty pc and use the saved up money for a nice audio setup.
MORE OF THESE. Devin is a great dude and these are such informative chats for a small streamer!
Had to watch full VOD to hear about "Starting Soon Screens", and that was a great discussion! Guys, you're so cool! 8)
I wonder if preroll ads affect YT in the same way it does Twitch. Like is it better to remove preroll ads for YT?
I don't imagine it has the same effect as people are so used to it on youtube
Twitch content is live, while RUclips content is paused while the ad is going
And Twitch ads are loud as fuck! Seriously this is so annoying.
Lol, ad blocker gets rid of the prerolls. I wouldn't watch youtube without an ad blocker.
@@Brismo7 Well watching youtube content without an adblocker supports the content creators. Its just the easiest way. You could donate or buy youtube premium to support them but watching a 5 second ad is way easier.
If this was a podcast I’d listen to every minute of it!
This is such a good conversation. Wish these two would do more of these!
These are some awesome conversations, great for thinking about content, but also hearing two great minds bounce off one another
I love the dynamic you guys have. You're both so different but it works.
Love you and Devin talking twitch and RUclips, I gotta stop by one of these days when you guys collab if you do it again! (Hopefully no pre roll ad lol) if you uploaded this as a vid I’d prolly watch the whole thing
Harris: Content content CONTENT CONTENNNNNT!!!
Me: But what is this video trying to say to me?
I gotta be honest, your videos have helped me out a lot man. I hadn't streamed for years as I was worried about wasting my time, focused on making videos for me and my friends. But about a month ago, I picked it back up and I put your advice to good use. Streamed daily for a solid week and got affiliate, now I'm doing a set schedule and the people who helped me get there are still tuning in for every stream and it's all thanks to your advice. Thank you so much ❤️
Is there a vod for this? Would love to see the whole thing!
believe it will be in his twitch archives
www.twitch.tv/videos/640271698 Devin comes in around the 3 hour 15 minute mark, but the whole thing is great!
Jacob Lindsey not all heros wear capes
TacoRemixX they usually wear tight-tights though.
So true I even leave when there’s an ad😂😂
I agree with the preroll ad issue, I almost ALWAYS leave when a preroll plays - unless I'm watching a streamer which I've been watching for a long time. Same goes for starting soon screens.
If I'm scrolling through looking for random streamers and get hit with a preroll or a starting soon screen, I'll just leave and either watch someone I like or watch RUclips.
The thing with the production quality standpoint, most small streamers don't have the funding to just go buy all the high-quality gear - but it isn't necessary, have a personality, stream using what you have, build an audience and then buy higher quality gear. There is no point in pumping hundreds to thousands of dollars into your streaming career when you haven't established footing for yourself.
Man i just found your channel a few weeks ago. Thank you for putting good stuff out in the wild. Appreciate the hard work
They need to toss the pre-roll ads - once I made affiliate and all of a sudden had those occurring regularly I had a ton of people asking whats up with the ad...
As a new streamer (I have no illusions of granduer btw it's just a hobby) this is great advice and I've literally done everything on this list (all from reading beginners guides to Twitch)... It's quite the challenge to come up with a USP for your stream but definitely food for thought.... All of your videos are super helpful thanks for posting
Can't wait to watch the video, here to say I support the content you deliver!
I think there's an important point that was hit on towards the end. If it's a hobby, go all out on production quality if that's what makes you happy. Know that it isn't the key to make you a superstar streamer, but if it's making you happy, go for that SM7B and your DSLR. Have fun.
Simple hack for pre-roll ads just close the stream and reopen it until there is no ad, and that takes less than 30 seconds.
Cpt. Obvious statement, many might consider a eureka moment, High production value on a channel about "high production value" ...kinda important. Great stuff as always man (guys), thank you.
About the discussion of is audio or video more important. I am a commercial director and yes, audio is more important for online content. People will watch a video with crappy video quality, but they will not watch a video where the audio is painful to their ears.
BUT to your question, would you rather be blind or deaf... I would rather be deaf. 100%.
I am actually a two time cancer survivor but the chemo made me lose a lot of my hearing function on the high end. That said, I get around just fine without any hearing aids or anything. If I lost my vision that would not be the case. So I am definitely firmly in the "would rather lose my hearing" camp, as someone with some experience in the matter. Haha. Keep up the great content man.
Honestly these are all valid points. A lot of it is along the lines of streamers don't know exactly where to go, so they do what is commonplace among popular streamers and rarely find their own voice, and along with that, they think to succeed, they have to be a part of something bigger than them, which (in the area of joining orgs, or large teams with no $$$, and no visibility) kill their viewability, and possibility for a career in streaming.
Devin is one of my favorite streamers. It’s great to see u guys together!
I always run an ad when I'm taking a break and put on the be right back screen and some music. It gets rid of the pre roll ads briefly and no one is missing anything important because it's a be right back screen
I am loving these videos! You and Devin give such great info, thank you .
I'm really digging these talks.
Me and a friend made my logo lol...I only just got affiliate so right now I am trying to just do everything on my own as much as I can because I know hiring an artist for emotes, overlays, logos, etc is costly. Might as well put the effort in to learn how to do it on your own so later when you CAN afford to pay someone you are able to actually have a proper discussion on what you want, and how you want it to be.
...also thanks to the insight and suggestions from this video, I disabled the pre-roll ads thing. I didn't even consider how annoying that probably is for someone. Glad I got another perspective on that so I can continue to improve ^^
I wanna say thank you @ Alpha gaming,because im nearly 30 years old but now i started streaming and youtube. i feel confident because of all the Videos you Guys produce thanks Harris and thank you Sam!
I love that your seperating these outside your stream
"Might be cool being blind..." no Devin. Just no.
Phenomenal content. Can't wait to get these going
totally good point. I immediately turn a stream off if I get an ad. it's to a point where I can only watch twitch on devices that support Adguard.
Man when audio standard transition from headphone mics to USB or condenser mics was such a beautiful time for humanity, my ears only bleed 25% of the time now.
AMAZING CONTENT CREATOR right Here! I don't know of another person who spends soooo much time to help other content creators meet their potential
I disagree on the logo point, but in a different way. I think when you're starting out, a logo is something that is like a thought experiment. It gets your mind thinking... how do I want to brand myself and my stream, what kind of theme do I want? It's a waste if you pay a bunch of money for one, but if you have to go through the thoughts yourself, I think it is helpful and is a simple first step to taking streaming more seriously (albeit not much).
I think this is all interesting and very helpful for new content creators like myself. Although for me personally I started off with relatively decent equipment because I had my brothers hand me downs from when he was going to pursue twitch and still use it. However if im being honest I was mostly infatuated with the pokemon slowly making there way into the pokeball through out your stream. Really interesting visual and would love to learn how to do it.
Bro! I absolutely loved this stream! Such a great discussion. So much to take away from the collective genius.
How about a Transformation Series which shows how you have helped somebody starting out, the advice you've given them, what they did well / not so well, and the result, say after a year. Like how a Personal Trainer posts before and now pics of their clients. It may take 6 months to a year to analyse, but I think would make for great content and lessons to be learned by us all. Even say taking a complete beginner who is willing to put the time in, and say they get to 10-20 average viewers + a good social following.
The thing I love about this is is makes me question everything I have been doing. Thank you!
Honestly as someone who is legally blind audio helps me profusely when it comes to gaming and just life in general. My sense of touch is drastically heightened as well.
Not going to lie, I really despise pre-roll ads. As a small streamer I feel really stuck. Do I run ads more often in my stream? Hurting those that are already viewing the stream, so I can attract new viewers? Or do I not run ads, and then all new viewers have to sit through an ad to watch... AHHHHHHHH. What y'all think?😅
I'm in the same boat, but I think running a mid roll ad a couple minutes after you start the stream is the way to go. And then at least 1-2 ads every hour
Woah, the timing of this could not have been better. I always used my logo as my Twitch profile pic, but recently redesigned it to show myself (taking inspiration from Sam's profile)
Great video and honestly, some good points.!!
I appreciate you. I appreciate everyone who is helping others in anyway.
Looks as his Twitter
90% posts are about Dr. Disrespect.
Ok man....
LOL
Content!
Harris, great video as always. I do stream on twitch and also run a very small youtube channel.
I do it because I like to do it and also I like to improve and when I go back and see my content I am proud of always try to improve the general quality.
Your videos are a reference for me to improve and I have learn tons.
Keep up the great work bud.
It takes genuine hard work and skill to make someone watching you play video games the highlight of their day
I love these convos, they're super insightful
I leave a twitch stream immediately if there's an ad before it. Then if I really want to check it out I start Chromecasting on twitch, then I click on the stream so I don't have to watch the ad.
I don't watch twitch much, and I pay for RUclips premium. If they had something like that, I'd probably get it for when I on occasion watch twitch.
They should throw an ad in after something like 5 or 10 minutes of watching a steam. At that point I'm more likely to keep watching it because I'm more into the stream at that point.
Twitch does have something like that. It's call Twitch Turbo. www.twitch.tv/turbo
Thanks for all the videos man !
This is so useful since I'm in the process of setting up my Twitch streams!!! Thanks so much!!
Something definitely overlooked that Alpha did in this video - prioritized scenes based on whose mic was picking up the conversation most. Absolute genius
This dude in the video looks like the alien guy from the history channel 😂
he even is in the green mothership
Maybe at first glance 😂
Hi Harris, I love your content and try to catch you on stream always when I can :)
I Have already watched your whole VoD on twitch, and watch it here again because was a really good conversation (I still need to change my avatar, I know hahaha)
But I have some questiones that maybe other people have as well, so here is a suggestion for a video, maybe?
1- Language as a niche market? I'm from Brazil, and I can't decide if I stream / make youtube videos in portuguese or in english. Its not simple because there are 2 possible ways to look at this:
a) Like I said before, as an oportunity to use the language as a "niche". Because there are more people streaming in English than in portuguese, so it is easier to be "found" in each category when you use the filter "portuguese".
b) As a problem of money value. To subscribe in twitch it cost around 5 usd, but to subscribe in Brazil it costs 22,5 reals. It means that its cheaper to subscribe if you earn in dolars, therefore it is "easier" to get subscribed from someone who lives with dolars, right? And the same thing happens with youtube ads and partnerships with brands. I can make "cheaper" prices to advertise something because I will receive 5x its value in my currency. (btw, I've already lived outside brazil, so I dont think speaking english will be impossible haha)
2 - What do you think about creating a brand as a variety streamers? Because I'm not a huge fan of a specific game or kind of game, and sometimes I like to do "just chatting" talking about anything. The problem is: how to grow in youtube and twitter if you don't post videos and create content about only one theme. Im gonna use myself as a example again, I already did a video playing Ori and the Blind Forest (kind of puzzle 2d game?), Tree of Savior (MMORPG), Valorant (FPS), PanzerBall, The cycle (FPS), I have one video about animes coming soon, and this go on...
So, the question is, Do you think it is necessary to choose a topic for your content and brand, or it is okay to just mix everything together?
I'm trying to make myself as clear as possible, so if you don't understand something I can try to explain in a different way hahaha
Again, thank you so much for your videos and all the help you give to people
Pick one type see what works and you enjoy.I'm Brazillian too and gonna start doing some gameplays of games that I will explain with news or top tens on my channel.
Espero lançar vídeos em breve!
I'm Brazilian too, and I have the exact same doubt. I started the RUclips Channel two weeks ago, and began with a "preview moments" video, and then began to release videos of a game called Hollow Knight (indie 2d game, really cool)...but sometimes I think I should go in another direction, produce some other kinds of contents, and in the midst of this, I end up getting lost in the ideas.
These videos are so insightful. Loving this content
this is so accurate. I will go to twitch and get slapped with 3mintues of ads and just get off go to mixer, youtube, anywhere else but there
I run your vids as podcast man(this one is literally the one), and for sure Audio owns.
Which made me think, that it varies from stream to stream, if it's a girl stream, picture ftw probably. Or it's some really flashy dude with cool emotion acting.
Or, a voice acting dude. Also, audio is often easier to make, there are some streamers even without camera and I feel the same joy from them, even if they aren't like top tier gamers.
Great points, I ended up getting just a vectorized profile picture of myself because I actually am into the artistic side of things. However, I can totally second the quality point brought up. That is really specific and audio will trump video any day for many of the reasons already cited in the comments. So, GOXLR mini(s) need to become available again so I can make use of my rode podmic instead of using my headset microphone!! :-)
Fantastic content!! Love every video you put out!
Yo Harris, I'm a little late on this video and this comment is most likely gonna get lost but you've helped me grow my channel so much. I've only been streaming for 3 months now and just got to Affiliate last week and already have 22 subscribers. I really can't thank you enough for all the advice you give. Too bad you probably won't see this comment but I just wanted to post it anyway.
PogChamp dude
I like when these two colab and discuss streams. They both have good advice but the other guy has an attitude in his solo video that would almost put you off streaming even though he has solid points. Alpha is a lot more welcoming and encouraging and makes the other guy more bearable to watch and even gets brought down a peg or two.
These videos are awesome- imagine if Devin became the third Alpha Gaming Host?
Either way I'd like to see him back on the channel more!
I am curious what the 5th topic will be :D Thanks for all your help. It really gives me something to work with. And btw. I never watch a pre-roll ad, especially if I visit a new channel. I want to see the streamer first. And if I like him it is more likely I watch an ad mid stream.
100% on the org. Whole reason why my partner and I made ours and dumped thousands into it. Majority of the other orgs around do nothing for their creators. No game currency's to randomly sponsor giveaways for their chat, no product care packages, no apparel given as a creator, no actual events with their creators or any sort of give backs. It's a clout grab from the majority of orgs to get you to push their brand/team for publicity but won't give back.
Blindness separates people from things;
deafness separates people from people.
Helen Keller
So to your point about audio being more important..I have to agree... Being deaf can be a lonely experience...so make sure that audio is on point
Audio is WAY more important. I will keep watching an interesting video if i can hear it clearly but no matter how interesting the video is, if they either keep blowing earraping plosives into my eardrums or if I struggle to hear what they are saying so much that I can't catch on to what they are saying, I'm done pretty fast.
I could have easily watched this video in 480p with the same audio and still thanked you for the content.
I sold high end home audio for years and my go to analogy with clients to show why audio was more important than video is I would have them watch a scene from a movie with no audio and then again with no video and only audio. I followed it up with the question which did you feel more immersed in and 99.9% of the time it was the audio only demo.
@Alpha Gaming cant find the video you mentioned something. Q:within streamlabs, how to turn off display?
cheating on your boyfriend with his best friend ends a career or 2
It’s true whenever I tune in to a smaller stream I don’t usually watch, if it has a pre roll as I instantly back out
Thing is though that is not the streamers fault it is twitch, which is a bad thing, because what if that person ends up being someone you like to watch, and you won't watch because of a 30 second ad the streamer has no control over. that hurts that streamer big time.
I agree with what you are saying however most small streamers aren't making money and that pocket change help with ads. Subscribing to Prime cuts the ads. So in essence somewhere you pay for something. Majority of individuals now call Twitch a "Career" but if you are a small streamer and not making money it becomes more of a hobby. It becomes really hard to have a huge follower base in all social media platforms. Alot of individuals love to get shout outs and that in my eyes, hurt small streamers viewership.
Harris: Don't tweet that you're live.
Other guy: yeah 100%
Harris: Tweet that you're live
Other guy: I agree 100%
Love videos like this. I stream on RUclips now after getting affiliate on Twitch two years ago. I'm doing well on TikTok and RUclips integrates much better than Twitch. Short clips are what I enjoy doing, long videos with lots of editing - not so much. The fact that my vods get saved onto RUclips (which is known for videos more than streaming) is great. My focus is getting good clips for TikTok, so all I have to do is click Go Live and my RUclips video is taken care of. This ties in to "Starting Soon" intros... I only Go Live when the stream is interesting and I end it as soon as the vibes fizzle out. Treat your stream like a video and make every second count! Streaming to no viewers feels bad. Streaming with the intention of making a good vod made the whole process easier.
This is the best duo. Y’all should have a podcast.
Seriously the more I watch both of you, the more what I'm doing in pre production all comes into more and more focus. You guys have stopped me from sabotaging myself at least 20 times already and I don't really "go live" until Monday of next week.
Seriously Harris, Devin. Thank you guys.
These are super helpful! I really appreciate your videos. They've helped my improve my streams. :)