Again, we see the poles for the "anti - torpedo" nets. We know they hung heavy chain link sheets from them, but how were they deployed? Were the nets in a roll along the deck edge to drop down automatically when the booms were swung out? Or did the crew have to manually hang them from the booms?
why were the Turks allowed to keep the Goeben when the first world war ended? I would have thought that the allies would have wanted to take it so it could be sent off as a war prize?
The Russian pre dreadnought rostislav I believe it's called was armed with 4 10 inch guns in 2 twin turrets unlike all the other Russian pre dreadnoughts which used 12 inch guns why is this? Were they experimenting?
If you were had to spend your last week on any doomed ship beforeit'd sinking, with no chance of survival, from any time period, which one would you choose for and why?
Drach you cannot start the video with "After the construction of some heavily armed floating factory stacks that the Russian Navy had accidentally commissioned and named Navarin", I nearly choked on my morning coffee XD
The Japanese shuttered that factory, as I recall. And verifying my memory, it turns out Drach didn't come up with that nickname, the Russians serving on her did.
@@Tomyironmane I think I've seen it described as an "upside-down table" (in a memoir by a Battle of Tsushima survivor). A "four-legged stool" seems to be another common name it got (according to the Russian Wiki entry, which is extremely light on sources - it cites exactly none... Ugh.)
It is very "Russian" to design, build, and commission a class of factory ships. The French did the same with their sailing "Hotels" class. Hmm, did the French invent the first Cruise ship?
My congratulations to Drachinifel for informing the world of the heretofore unnoticed technical accomplishment from the Imperial Russian Navy: sentient searchlights, that could decide where they wanted to be. The Imperial Japanese Navy, after capturing this technology at the Battle of Tsushima, developed it to where their guns could decide what they wanted to be. Sadly for the IJN in WWII, most of their guns wanted to be Type 96 25mm guns.
Did you assume their caliber? You can’t just say that it’s a 25mm just because you see a 25mm gun! It might identify themselves as a proud 40mm Bofors!
1:36 - "Displacing just over 13,400 tons, which was about 800 tons more than she was actually _designed_ to displace" A normal Russian battleship, I see.
Ship builders: Sir it will be over weight Design board : it will be fine, can we that bolted on please Ship builders : er sir Design board : no back talking
Network security, reliability, and consuming time while spending ungodly amounts per hour to be over there. Besides, doesn't Sydney have attack cockatoos? 🤣
I saw Drach in Melbourne filming on board HMAS Castlemaine today. I thought it best not to interrupt him and his extensive entourage, so I chatted to the very informative crew instead. 🙂
"Reasonable freeboard, for the time period ... wouldn't want to go into rough seas with her" over a photo of the Tri Svititelia sailing through flat seas, the forward bow wave nearly submerging the bow. Yeah, no kidding.
I like this ship. It has a bunch of happy faces on the superstructure. :D It's kind of interesting, how the firms providing the Harvey steel for armor, later ended up designing armor for the trenches.
It was only Harvey and not Krupp steel, so you can drop ~4-6 inches off for its actual effectiveness against the guns of the time. But even then, that's a maximum thickness of ~12-14, right in the same ballpark of the more modern ships (and, iirc, substantially more than the Goeben).
I'd translate 'Три Святителя' as Three Saints, pronounced as close as I can do it 'Tree Svee-tee-till-ya'. I assume the name refers to the 4th century Russian Orthodox founders Basil, Gregory and John Chrysostom.
I think that's the more likely explanation. A previous Tri Svaiatitelia was purchased by Spain (with other 13 ships) towards 1819-20. The name was translated in a book (with interrogation marks) as 'Tres Reyes Magos' for the Bible's Three Wise Men that took presents to Baby Jesus.
@CipiRipi00 , it's clear for me now. Thanks for the clarification. I think I'd add a paper note to my book with the correct translation. I knew the writer, sadly he passed some years ago but he would have appreciated the correction .
I hope that your enjoying your stay in Australia Drach even though it rained almost the whole time while you were here in Perth. I really wanted to go and meet you at the Fremantle maritime museum but unfortunately I got called into work :(
I really wish there was a scale bar for the free board because that bow wave on flat seas is about to wash over the fore deck. Take the image at 6:36, take the sailors on deck and the free board looks less than twice them...14 feet seems very generous.
"After the construction of some heavily armed floating factory 'stacks that the Russian ( Imperial ) Navy had accidentally commissioned and named 'Navaren', ..." Dachinifel throwing shade at the Russian Navy, from the start . And I am Here For It! 👏 😁
Opened the video mostly to hear how you pronounce the name. :) Horribly wrong pronouncation, but the video is great. Thank you for covering the Russian Imperial Navy period - something that is not covered enough even in Russian segment of RUclips.
I look at modern Russian ships and they have very lovely lines, graceful curves, and a very appealing exterior. I look at old Russian ships and they are so ugly it makes me want to cry.
The Three Hierarchs of Eastern Christianity refers to Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian and John Chrysostom. They were highly influential bishops of the early church who played pivotal roles in shaping Christian theology.
@@Moredread25 Trust the Comrade: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Holy_Hierarchs For the record, John Chrysostom had his exclusive own battleship, the Ioann Zlatoust.
There is this cool looking ship I'd like you to review. I do not remember the name or it but maybe this will help: -It had guns on it -It had a crew -It was made of steel -Took part in one of the 20th century wars. Can you review that one please?
To everyone inquiring who the ship is named after: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi . The three kings are pretty "big" in orthodox tradition as well as Eastern Europe, their day is usually celebrated on the 6th of January marking the end of the Christmas period, with tree and decorations traditionally being taken down on that day.
TRI SVYa-Ti-TEL-Ya, emphasis on the TI syllable. I've seen it translated as Holy Trinity, but I like your translation better. Sounds more Russian. Don't worry about the massacre, I'm sure they have their fun with some of our warship names. 😃
A question I have is how we're the engines built in Britain shipped to Russia? They would be very large items and likely not able to be transported by rail. We're there freighters that could fit them?
Locomotives were sent around the world by sea at the end of the nineteenth century so I can't see a problem with battleship engines, if necessary you could send them as parts to be assembled at the receiving end.
Shipping things seem to be common, especially if they are designed to be shipped. It's fascinating, but sometimes ships with displacement of thousands of tons are built to be shipped and reassembled, like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Ollanta
Going to Binge some Jackie Gleeson after this to wash out the thoughts of French Predrednaughts vs anything Russian up to now. And I've French from grandmas side.
In the first image of the ship it looks like she has superfiring casemates (which would be impressively silly even for the Russians). But that’s incorrect based on the armament diagrams, so what am I actually looking at?
Strangely enough, you got the second, more complicated word of the name pretty well, and fluffed the first, short one. :) Indeed, Tri means three and sounds quite similar, though it's pronounced with a hard T instead of the soft Th, so it's more a "tree" than "three".
So, they scrapped the ship before being removed from the Navy list? I wonder what a sailor could do when he find that the ships on which he was assigned doesn't exist anymore. :P
@@hazchemel I'm not sure myself, but people here is comments think it was "the 3 maguses, that visited Jedus on his birth". Russian wiki says it was some orthodox sages instead ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80_%D1%82%D1%80%D1%91%D1%85_%D1%81%D0%B2%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9 Dunno if this historical joke is real, but "British public demanded a huge increase in navy funding after the news that Russian has commissioned battleships named after 3 maguses and 12 Apostles, so 15 in totals" (there was already another battleship named "the 12 Apostles")
It is the black sea it isn't that turbulent. Which is why the russian navy has never been able to mass produce any class of ship other than destroyers. Each large cruiser or higher has to be made for one of 5 seas they will occupy and 3 oceans they sail. Which is a testimony to russian ship building. What is built for the black sea for speed won't sail the same in the north Atlantic or artic ocean.
"Completed over-weight" Do the Russians just not have scales? It seems that Drach has that line as a hotkey copy+paste at this point for Russian ships.
Importing a lot of tech didn't help. Russian Empire couldn't rely just on Britain (with whom they shared feet/inch system). Plenty of stuff was metric -- from Germany and France. Experience shows that any conversion exercise just errs, and also intentionally errs on the side of caution -- i.e. more weight...
It's clear the Imperial Russian navy felt there was far too much visibility on the Black Sea and build this vessel. But she's actually not a bad looking vessel for a Russian designed boat.
"No one realized she needed to be removed from the navy list until two years later." Don't be silly, they knew... someone was, however, collecting the maintenance budget while parting that ship out to Ukrainian tractor factories. It's hard to run a kleptocracy with good paperwork after all...
I find Russian Predreadnaughts fascinating (well really all PDs) but one thing I noticed, you mispronounced Potemkin (but then so did Checkoff on Star Trek) In Russian it is pronounced "Po-chink-in". Just FYI - :)
Ok, what happened to my comment??? I guess saying I hate communists is too harsh for some ears. Whenever you discuss Russian ships from these years you eventually have to talk about those inhuman entities known as communists. As they say the only good on is.....
"Whenever you discuss Russian ships from these years you eventually have to talk about those inhuman entities known as communists. " -- No, I really don't. Because I'm not obsessed by Communism.
Pinned post for Q&A :)
Again, we see the poles for the "anti - torpedo" nets. We know they hung heavy chain link sheets from them, but how were they deployed? Were the nets in a roll along the deck edge to drop down automatically when the booms were swung out? Or did the crew have to manually hang them from the booms?
Could you explain why turret balancing is important and how it works?
why were the Turks allowed to keep the Goeben when the first world war ended? I would have thought that the allies would have wanted to take it so it could be sent off as a war prize?
The Russian pre dreadnought rostislav I believe it's called was armed with 4 10 inch guns in 2 twin turrets unlike all the other Russian pre dreadnoughts which used 12 inch guns why is this? Were they experimenting?
If you were had to spend your last week on any doomed ship beforeit'd sinking, with no chance of survival, from any time period, which one would you choose for and why?
Drach you cannot start the video with "After the construction of some heavily armed floating factory stacks that the Russian Navy had accidentally commissioned and named Navarin", I nearly choked on my morning coffee XD
The Japanese shuttered that factory, as I recall. And verifying my memory, it turns out Drach didn't come up with that nickname, the Russians serving on her did.
Interesting that "stack" also played prominently in the Davenport, Iowa building failure.
@@Tomyironmane I think I've seen it described as an "upside-down table" (in a memoir by a Battle of Tsushima survivor). A "four-legged stool" seems to be another common name it got (according to the Russian Wiki entry, which is extremely light on sources - it cites exactly none... Ugh.)
I almost spewed beer reading this, lmfao!
It is very "Russian" to design, build, and commission a class of factory ships. The French did the same with their sailing "Hotels" class. Hmm, did the French invent the first Cruise ship?
I love how this starts right out with a Drachism.
My congratulations to Drachinifel for informing the world of the heretofore unnoticed technical accomplishment from the Imperial Russian Navy: sentient searchlights, that could decide where they wanted to be.
The Imperial Japanese Navy, after capturing this technology at the Battle of Tsushima, developed it to where their guns could decide what they wanted to be.
Sadly for the IJN in WWII, most of their guns wanted to be Type 96 25mm guns.
Did you assume their caliber? You can’t just say that it’s a 25mm just because you see a 25mm gun! It might identify themselves as a proud 40mm Bofors!
@@ashaffold true there is a difference between wanting to be something and being that thing.
Then the fad that swept the IJN in 1942 onward, where their ships began identifying as coral reefs.
1:36 - "Displacing just over 13,400 tons, which was about 800 tons more than she was actually _designed_ to displace"
A normal Russian battleship, I see.
Ship builders: Sir it will be over weight
Design board : it will be fine, can we that bolted on please
Ship builders : er sir
Design board : no back talking
that was normal for pre dreads no?
“More like a ship and less like a building”…laughed out loud at that one…
Gotta admire the dedication to have these ready to roll so you can keep posting despite being on tour.
Why not upload from say Sydney - we have the Internet here too you know. ;)
Network security, reliability, and consuming time while spending ungodly amounts per hour to be over there. Besides, doesn't Sydney have attack cockatoos? 🤣
I saw Drach in Melbourne filming on board HMAS Castlemaine today. I thought it best not to interrupt him and his extensive entourage, so I chatted to the very informative crew instead. 🙂
@@Dave_Sisson Ah well if he's stuck in Melbourne he has my sympathies.
@@whya2ndaccount Cleaner than Sydney. Not from either.
"Reasonable freeboard, for the time period ... wouldn't want to go into rough seas with her" over a photo of the Tri Svititelia sailing through flat seas, the forward bow wave nearly submerging the bow. Yeah, no kidding.
I like your theory about sentient, migratory searchlights that took several years to make a decision on where they would settle down.
I like to think that they had long pro and con discussions between themselves on all possibilities. Conducted in morsecode.
Did someone say, "torpedo boats"?
*incoherent and irrational Russian screams*
*throws binoculars* We don't use that word around here!
Japanese torpedo boats, maybe?? :-)
Good photos, not seen these before. Late contemporary of the first HMS Hood.
I tell you, at 1:30, 3:52 and 4:46, she really looks like a gentleman's yacht modified for war. 😁
6:30 early attempt at Dazzle?
I like this ship. It has a bunch of happy faces on the superstructure. :D It's kind of interesting, how the firms providing the Harvey steel for armor, later ended up designing armor for the trenches.
With that massive armor I can see why she'd be willing to got toe to to with the ex-SMS Goeben! (Especially with some other pre-dreds to back her up)
It was only Harvey and not Krupp steel, so you can drop ~4-6 inches off for its actual effectiveness against the guns of the time. But even then, that's a maximum thickness of ~12-14, right in the same ballpark of the more modern ships (and, iirc, substantially more than the Goeben).
Awesome thanks 👍👍
I'd translate 'Три Святителя' as Three Saints, pronounced as close as I can do it 'Tree Svee-tee-till-ya'. I assume the name refers to the 4th century Russian Orthodox founders Basil, Gregory and John Chrysostom.
I think that's the more likely explanation.
A previous Tri Svaiatitelia was purchased by Spain (with other 13 ships) towards 1819-20. The name was translated in a book (with interrogation marks) as 'Tres Reyes Magos' for the Bible's Three Wise Men that took presents to Baby Jesus.
@CipiRipi00 , it's clear for me now. Thanks for the clarification.
I think I'd add a paper note to my book with the correct translation. I knew the writer, sadly he passed some years ago but he would have appreciated the correction .
@CipiRipi00 we do consider them saints.
I hope that your enjoying your stay in Australia Drach even though it rained almost the whole time while you were here in Perth. I really wanted to go and meet you at the Fremantle maritime museum but unfortunately I got called into work :(
A floating collection of heavily armed factory stacks being part of Second Pacific Squadron makes sense.
I really wish there was a scale bar for the free board because that bow wave on flat seas is about to wash over the fore deck. Take the image at 6:36, take the sailors on deck and the free board looks less than twice them...14 feet seems very generous.
Feels weird knowing you released this from just over in Southbank! 😮
This is interesting, also I have a suggestion for a ship from the Royal Thai navy, the Thonburi class, HTMS Sri Ayudhya.
Is the word ayudhya to do with battle or weapon?
@@hazchemel It’s the name of the former Thai kingdom of Ayudhya.
@@happysadsmile7628 right, thanks.
Yes. Please add the Thai ship to your repertoire!;
The "Tri Sviatitelia" steam engines were ordered in England and were exactly the same as on the famous "Victoria"
"After the construction of some heavily armed floating factory 'stacks that the Russian ( Imperial ) Navy had accidentally commissioned and named 'Navaren', ..." Dachinifel throwing shade at the Russian Navy, from the start . And I am Here For It! 👏 😁
It isn't original it was a russian naval joke about the ships during the time period. He was giving you a russian history joke, about a russian ship.
Albeit unoriginal, Drachunifel delivered the joke well and on time.
😁
Opened the video mostly to hear how you pronounce the name. :)
Horribly wrong pronouncation, but the video is great. Thank you for covering the Russian Imperial Navy period - something that is not covered enough even in Russian segment of RUclips.
I love to hear you struggle with russian ship names.
Love those pre-dreadnoughts.
I look at modern Russian ships and they have very lovely lines, graceful curves, and a very appealing exterior.
I look at old Russian ships and they are so ugly it makes me want to cry.
A lovely ship.
Drach, have you done a video on the Russian battleship that mutinied ?
The advertised freeboard looks like it is closer to 9 feet than it is to 14 feet, unless pre-revolution Russian sailors were 8 feet tall......
The low freeboard helps to transition it into a submarine a bit faster.
Quite a chaotic history. The name is interesting. I wonder who the 3 holy higherarchs are?
The 3 kings who visited Jesus after his birth en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi
The Three Hierarchs of Eastern Christianity refers to Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian and John Chrysostom. They were highly influential bishops of the early church who played pivotal roles in shaping Christian theology.
Interesting. Two different answers in less than 5 min. Thanks to both for the info!
@@Moredread25 Trust the Comrade: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Holy_Hierarchs
For the record, John Chrysostom had his exclusive own battleship, the Ioann Zlatoust.
@@comrade_commissar3794 Romanizing the jewish belief into a state cult. Cultus is latin for IRS. Glad I can help.
Seems like a decent warship set up for the time. Never saw duty in the Far East so that probably extended her service, too.
There is this cool looking ship I'd like you to review. I do not remember the name or it but maybe this will help:
-It had guns on it
-It had a crew
-It was made of steel
-Took part in one of the 20th century wars.
Can you review that one please?
ROFL
I'm sure he'll get to it eventually. Unless it's one of the later 20th century wars, of course.
Originally planned as a three ship class, they would be named Truth, Regret and Mercy
Is that a Halo reference? On a Drac video? Nice.
😁 guilty. Id love to see drach do some Halo ship breakdowns @hanzzel6086
To everyone inquiring who the ship is named after: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi . The three kings are pretty "big" in orthodox tradition as well as Eastern Europe, their day is usually celebrated on the 6th of January marking the end of the Christmas period, with tree and decorations traditionally being taken down on that day.
Seems like Mexico has a similar holiday.
TRI SVYa-Ti-TEL-Ya, emphasis on the TI syllable. I've seen it translated as Holy Trinity, but I like your translation better. Sounds more Russian. Don't worry about the massacre, I'm sure they have their fun with some of our warship names. 😃
A question I have is how we're the engines built in Britain shipped to Russia? They would be very large items and likely not able to be transported by rail.
We're there freighters that could fit them?
Locomotives were sent around the world by sea at the end of the nineteenth century so I can't see a problem with battleship engines, if necessary you could send them as parts to be assembled at the receiving end.
Shipping things seem to be common, especially if they are designed to be shipped. It's fascinating, but sometimes ships with displacement of thousands of tons are built to be shipped and reassembled, like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Ollanta
16-18" belt armor? I didn't know Senator Tillman was involved in the Russian Navy designs, too!
16 to 18 inch belt of that time didn't hold up to 16 to 18 inch of 1930 completely different metal casting and armor layouts.
Going to Binge some Jackie Gleeson after this to wash out the thoughts of French Predrednaughts vs anything Russian up to now. And I've French from grandmas side.
How do you say _Go away or I shall taunt you a second time_ in Russian?🤔
In the first image of the ship it looks like she has superfiring casemates (which would be impressively silly even for the Russians). But that’s incorrect based on the armament diagrams, so what am I actually looking at?
Strangely enough, you got the second, more complicated word of the name pretty well, and fluffed the first, short one. :) Indeed, Tri means three and sounds quite similar, though it's pronounced with a hard T instead of the soft Th, so it's more a "tree" than "three".
> battleship is 800 tons overweight
Huh, I guess my style of construction in From the Depths has historic precedent after all.
So, they scrapped the ship before being removed from the Navy list?
I wonder what a sailor could do when he find that the ships on which he was assigned doesn't exist anymore. :P
It spelled somewhat like "tree svyateetelya". A valiant effort vs. the russian language nonetheless, Drach.
Sorry, I can see now it was Jane's fault to incorrectly transliterating the name, not your pronunciation.
thanks for the kiddy spelling, it does help. who're the three hierarchs?
@@hazchemel I'm not sure myself, but people here is comments think it was "the 3 maguses, that visited Jedus on his birth". Russian wiki says it was some orthodox sages instead ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80_%D1%82%D1%80%D1%91%D1%85_%D1%81%D0%B2%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9
Dunno if this historical joke is real, but "British public demanded a huge increase in navy funding after the news that Russian has commissioned battleships named after 3 maguses and 12 Apostles, so 15 in totals" (there was already another battleship named "the 12 Apostles")
@@hazchemelBasil the Great, Gregory the Theologian and John Chrysostom. Three saints.
Each of them has a cathedral in russia too
Aah thank you. Of the other 2 I know a little; shall investigate G the Th.
With the low freeboard and lack of shear for’d she would have been very wet in any sort of seaway.
It is the black sea it isn't that turbulent. Which is why the russian navy has never been able to mass produce any class of ship other than destroyers. Each large cruiser or higher has to be made for one of 5 seas they will occupy and 3 oceans they sail. Which is a testimony to russian ship building.
What is built for the black sea for speed won't sail the same in the north Atlantic or artic ocean.
Ever noticed how anything to do with Russia or the Russians was chaotic, and still is really?
"Completed over-weight" Do the Russians just not have scales? It seems that Drach has that line as a hotkey copy+paste at this point for Russian ships.
Importing a lot of tech didn't help. Russian Empire couldn't rely just on Britain (with whom they shared feet/inch system). Plenty of stuff was metric -- from Germany and France. Experience shows that any conversion exercise just errs, and also intentionally errs on the side of caution -- i.e. more weight...
Three Holy Hierarchs. Truth, Mercy and Regret, perhaps?
"Come, we must embark on the Great Journey!" -Kamchatka's Ghost or something, idk
Regret, Regret, Regret...
I knew someone was gonna do this
@weldonwin what the russians said after tsushima
@@caboosehelpsu2840 do you see torpedo boats?
Tree Svya-ti-te-lya. Three saints.
Tree Svya-TEE-tel-yia. I guess that a better name would be "Tri Osvedomitelia" (The Three Stooges)
I wonder if anyone was (dis)apointed Captain, or political comisar, for the now on paper only battleship 🤔
It's clear the Imperial Russian navy felt there was far too much visibility on the Black Sea and build this vessel. But she's actually not a bad looking vessel for a Russian designed boat.
The three holy heirarchs are three important eastern orthodox church saints
Very Halo Name!
Surprised there's no such covenant ship in Halo.
The russian pronunciation wasn't the worst i have ever heard. But most importantly was the translation it was absolutely correct
At the time of completion, this ship could conceivably have taken on the entire Turkish fleet by itself.
"No one realized she needed to be removed from the navy list until two years later."
Don't be silly, they knew... someone was, however, collecting the maintenance budget while parting that ship out to Ukrainian tractor factories. It's hard to run a kleptocracy with good paperwork after all...
So they are now shooting at tractors because they still believe it was a warship? It is true, I guess, that you cannot beat swords into ploughshares.
Have you cover the frigate Numancia?
"Tree Svyateetelya' might be an easier transliteration for an English speaker.
Manny, Moe and Jack?
😂😂😂😂
With all those small guns, any Japanese torpedo boats in the Black Sea would get a warm welcome.
mean, I'd be quite Surprised if any would've Appeared down there... as that's the sea that only connects to the Med via Istanbul...
Or indeed any japanese torped0 boats in the North Sea.
Tree Svia-tee-teh-lia (Три Святителя)
"371 feet long at the waterline and 370 feet overall": is that even possible? I'm confused.
Maybe counting ram-bow parts at the waterline and counting main or weather deck level at overall?
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I find Russian Predreadnaughts fascinating (well really all PDs) but one thing I noticed, you mispronounced Potemkin (but then so did Checkoff on Star Trek) In Russian it is pronounced "Po-chink-in". Just FYI - :)
Три святителя = Tree Svya-tee-teh-lia.
Just to be a bit pedantic, "holy hierarchs" is redundant
@CipiRipi00 grammatically in Greek; whence it's derived, I mean. Hierarch is a compound word and has the word "holy" in it.
@CipiRipi00 yes that's why they're called holy leaders. Holy holy leaders is just silly
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At that time in history they would call it the modern navy.
looks kind of ironcladdy
Very sad ending to her life.
These things look so much better than todays billionaire yachts.
Criticism of the Russian armed forces will currently get you fifteen years in a room with the lights on 24/7, and really lousy catering!.
Or a trip with a catering executive who moonlights as a warlord.
It's pronounced, "Sviatitelia."
The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost?
Nope, orthodox practise idolatry. They're the three guys who visited Jesus after birth, elevated to gods.
@@nvelsen1975 No, these are refers to the 4th century Russian Orthodox founders Basil, Gregory and John Chrysostom.
@CipiRipi00
Saints are idolatry.
Ok, what happened to my comment??? I guess saying I hate communists is too harsh for some ears. Whenever you discuss Russian ships from these years you eventually have to talk about those inhuman entities known as communists. As they say the only good on is.....
Shut up, we’re here to hear about ships, not you whining
At a guess RUclips's algorythms didn't like it.
"Whenever you discuss Russian ships from these years you eventually have to talk about those inhuman entities known as communists. " -- No, I really don't. Because I'm not obsessed by Communism.
3 wize men...if u were christian