@@bobjimbobjim9006corte in his prime and fought amazing vs umar. People think unless you’re the best fighter in the world, your declining 😂 so dumb. Cory is clearly improving, he just fought someone better
Why is everyone acting like umar winning is because sandhagen fell off. Sandhagen lost yeah but it’s not like he was blown out the water he lost a close but decisive fight. You stick around long enough you’re gonna lose simple as nothing more. You can’t just shit on their coach every time your favorite fighter loses
I think the biggest problem that cory had in the umar fight was punishing the takedowns, he defended them so well but never actually made umar want to stop going for them
Cory really could have beat him if he just mixed more shots up and was more aggressive on the feet. He should have at least been trying his best to outstrike Umar every round with ranged kicks and jabs then he could have started working in mixups and setting up certain killshots with good feints. Cory is obviously a very top level fighter and has so much potential, he just needs to get more aggressive in these situations.
They train on Ramadan.. No fighter, Coach, Object or thing will ever give pain to soldiers like this. Being fine with dying for God vs. dying for Money are obviously 2 completely different things and this is the horsepower and philosophy the Dagastanis live by and it shows
I think theyre often so caught up on being defensive, they forget to win they need to actually fight back. Dont get me wrong he fought back but its kind of like fighting Khabib, many fighters later in his career, his opponents would be so defensive, like focused on not getting taken down, that they would forgo opportunities to do damage back. I think this Is most prevalent and shown via as to why volk had such a good fight against Islam in their first fight, yes he was very good obviously but he didnt sit back and just play defensive and try not to lose. He still fought back and as we saw in round 5, didnt stop trying to win. Likewise, in the second fight, he was much more defensive (other factors too) but the overly defensive nature let Islam do what he wanted and could be argued lead to his finish with all the kick set ups.
Trevor Whitman make Kamaru Usman a good striker, make Gaethje someone who fight with skills and purposes. Can't believe this guy is doing this BS video.
Bro, it’s that he’s not a good fit for Cory. Usman and Justin were less technical and defensive. When Trevor is with Cory who already puts an emphasis on that, it overcompensates.
@@VampiricLegz...but the whole essence of the video is crapping on TW, and claiming he can ‘ruin’ fighters...... The same logic could be applied to any coach who is specialized in one area. If said fighter isn’t the proper fit, it will not benefit them and potentially ‘ruin’ them The weight of TW’s ability to refine elite fighters into champions, far outweighs the risk that he poses by not meshing with a fighter. He has helped fighters achieve way more than he has cost them, in totality
Maybe it didn’t come off that way, but I meant to put more emphasis on ‘can’. I’m considering making other videos about coach/fighter relationships and like always it’s not a one size fits all kind of thing. He has perfected quality over quantity on a large scale and that shouldn’t be understated, but sometimes his fighters don’t “go for it” in a way that they could without his structure. TLDR - I didn’t mean to trash Trevor, but I think he’s partially to blame for Cory’s performance.
"alright guys, what you need to do is stay out of punching & kicking range then jab or kick, hopefully they walk into the strike. Ok, that'll be 1 million dollars, also take me everywhere so you can promote me! :D" - Trevor Whitman
I honestly can’t tell if Trevor is just a really weird fking guy, or if he figured out that he can make a lot more money by betting against his fighters. That dude gets way too happy when his fighters lose
Okay I think you are going after the wrong coach. Sure Whitman isn’t perfect but he has trained some of the best fighters. You should go after Pat Berry who is the reason why Rose is no longer champion
Rose isn't the only fighter we're talking about. Not only that, but as the head coach, it's also Trevor's job to not just stand there like a loser while Pat Barry fills Rose's head with BS (which is exactly what he allowed to happen)
@@thekillerprawneasier said then done , if you watch the isparza fight you can clearly tell whose running the show in her corner, Pat. And frankly you don’t know what Trevor’s job is, that’s her camp but I’m sure if you asked her she would say Pat is her head coach.
@k45207 In the corner fair enough, but at the gym it's undoubtedly Whitman. I get your point but but if I was the face of a fighter's team I wouldn't be happy letting someone else with far less talent and experience make a mockery of my fighters
@@thekillerprawn yeah I totally get that yeah I don’t know the dynamics in her day to day training, but she’s married to Pat so even if Trevor is in charge of the day to day training in the gym, overall it’s Pat coming up with that dog shit game plan. And I totally agree with you Trevor should be stepping in but i don’t know if Trevor rolls like that. But you can even feel the tension in the corner between Trevor and Pat, like between the 5 or 6 round in the Esparza fight, Pat is just talking the whole time and Trevor just looks frustrated and tells her to “have fun” like he knew the fight was already over
@@thekillerprawnpat Barry is literally her husband. Whitman is an outside hire. It’s not that simple to tell her to not listen to her husband brother and you know that. If he did he’s the one who gets phased out.
@@galmart3111Whitman didn’t take the dog out of him. Corey just couldn’t get his stuff going. When none of your stuff is working and you’re completely on the defensive for long stretches it’s mentally taxing. He’ll go against another striker and be fine just wait
Trevor doesn’t know how to bring the dog out in people. Cory just needed to be a dog as soon as Umar started out striking him. I just always noticed Trevor talks to his fighters like they’re have a light spar. Doesn’t inspire anything when the chips are down.
MMA fans acting like they're experts on this is always funny especially when we know you all doesnt actually train 🤣 You're completely dismissed the fact that Umar is just that good, has the best footwork that Cory has ever fought, also an elite kickboxer with better boxing basics than Cory, and also elite wrestling.
Fans have hard time man to acknowlege how these dagestani fighter are force to be feared. Always having excuses when their fighter lost against dagestani.
He's a good coach, completely transformed Justin. The Max loss is just unfortunate. Nothing you can do when your fighter ducks into a spinning back kick to the nose in the first round man😅
@@VampiricLegz does that make a difference to what I'm sayin man? Fact is his fighter got his nose broken in the very first round. What can the goddamn coach do about it. Btw Justin is as tough as they come man.
It’s just not a fluke like lots of people said. As I said in the video Trevor works with Justin because of the balance. Cory and Trevor are too alike so it makes him a bit gunshy.
I believe Cory surprised himself with how well he dealt with the grappling. With this fight in hindsight, he would probably have more confidence in his TDD to throw more high amplitude strikes without worrying about the TD threats. But at the same time, this was Umar's first 5 rounder. So, maybe Umar did not commit hard with the TDs either, and he could possibly have more confidence in his cardio to commit more with his TDs and punches in the early rounds.
Its not just physical it's mental as well when he had his violent run u can see he was kinda angry and psychotic a little but then he found some peace got married or some shit and that killer is less now
A lot of people talk about “he didn’t bring that energy” or “he wasn’t himself” all the time and sometimes that’s true but also that’s what it looks like when high level guys grapple and shut someone down. People like striking because it’s easy to understand the basics and it’s flashy but if they trained just a little they could follow and enjoy the rest of the sport.
Not one freestyle or greco roman wrestling event comes close to the viewer ship of boxing, even kickboxing.and ngl some of these freestyle wrestling matches be better than some dagi laying on top of someone
These headcoaches are overrated. All the headcoach should do is focus on what their athletes need and bring along the best coaches for each specific things they need to train for. This is why GSP was successful, Firas wasn't "training" GSP. He would bring along the best gymnastics, bjj, wrestling coach and etc for him
In Trevors defense over Rose specifically. I thought Pat Barry was much more of a major factor in her decline in performances. In that Esparza fight, seems like Whitman didn't get a single word in in between rounds and Barry said she was doing great
I think it depends on the style they already have, Justin and Kamaru had kind of bad defence to begin with. So he made it better. Sandhagen already had good defence so it was overkill.
Technically did more damage to his opponent but lost cause that’s not how the scoring works 😂 🤡. Damage is the first thing that they use in scoring and it’s the most important.Cory lost that fight cause the judges don’t know how the scoring works just like you.
i do agree that wittmans live coaching likely lost sandhagen the fight. as it was very competitive early until wittman told him to go forward. still think it could be a match made in heaven though just will take time.
Parillo’s advice going into the 5th round of the O’Malley fight was “you need to get a finish here because you know that the judges are gonna rob you”.
In reality Trevor is amazing STRIKING coach , NO mma! He lose fights, because he can made ONLY striking game plan. Thats all. his team could win with other game plan, but he dont do it. He just made strikers! And he fell against the best strikers and one wrestler. You cant make one wrestler better from the BEST strikers. Thats all!
I’ve heard a lot of people shit on Nicksick’s use of corner time saying it’s not advice but instead generic motivation, but most of these fighters alr know how to fight esp Sean and Sean’s the kind of guy that drives off of others’ motivating him
Brilliant video bud, I've felt the same way about Trevor W. I also see holes in the Killclif fighters (Henry Hoft) if possible can you make a video on that.
Yeah good idea. There's so many breakdowns on why fighters have won or lost as individuals but I think breaking down how the coaching styles could be detrimental or beneficial for a lot of gyms could be very interesting
@VampiricLegz I agree, but that's not on the coach that Usman believed in his hands a little too much maybe. Whiteman has made him a damn good striker.
It kinda feels like he is trying to win "Coach of the Year" in a weird way like making Usman a striker and Cory a defensive wrestler "look how I changed their style" seems like an experiment going wrong.
Imagine making a video like this when you have zero runs on the board yourself what an embarrassment. It’s a sign of the times when someone with zero qualifications makes videos about guys who have coached multiple world champions.
People are allowed to critique and have opinions on things they aren't actively involved in. I can like and dislike a movie without making one. I actually like Trevor; I just don't think he and Cory are a good fit. I have been involved in lots of sports from a young age; coach-athlete relationships/dynamics can have a big impact on performance. Anyway, you seem like a good dude, cheers.
I remember people saying that Whitman was the best coach in MMA. Better than Bareman, Nicksick and Mendes. The truth is Whitman has always been crazy overrated. The only fighter who’s improved under him is Gaethje. Yes, Usman got more entertaining under him because he improved his boxing and started going for KOs but ask yourself: Does the old Usman who trained in Florida at Sanford (Kill Cliff) MMA get KO’d like Usman did against Edwards? Absolutely not. He was much more defensively sound. Whitman is simply a good offensive boxing coach. That’s literally it. How many times have you seen Gaethje get brutally knocked out? At least 3-4 times.
I agree with this Beginning of the fight Cory was dynamic using all his MMA tools. Then dwindled slowly and his game plan shifted towards the end shifted more to a boxing heavy style immediately that was a mistake and Umar easily took over.
He didn't even have a triangle in the moment you referred to lmao, Umar had two hands in so Cory would've just been gassing his legs for no reason when he had two minutes left to work. If you want to levy criticisms against coaches and fighters like this, at least be sure they are accurate. Not to mention that Umar is a world class grappler and he would have been exponentially harder to finish than a wrestler like Chael Sonnen. Umar was in a split squat which means even if he didn't have 2 hands on the inside nullifying the triangle, he would've still been able to stand up and stack Cory to escape.
I don't think that Trevor Whitman hurt Cory sandhagen especially in the TJ Dillashaw fight. That was a bad decision by the judges. I do think there were some issues with his strategy against Umar but I don't want to blame Trevor Whitman for that fight especially because I think that he put up a great performance against TJ and should have won. I really do think it was the wrong guy winning that fight. I don't know why he doesn't do well with the judges but look at how badly the scoring was with him against Chito. He controlled that fight and destroyed Vera and one of the judges had it going the other way. He seems to only get the call if he gets a finish. When it comes to Usman I do think you have to take into consideration the fact that his knees are completely shot and so he's having a hard time using his wrestling and physicality like you once did. I do agree though that all of his fighters seem like they're stagnating a bit or other coaching staffs have sort of figured out what you need to do against a Trevor whitman fighter.
I thought Trevor Wittman could've helped Cory, but it seemed like that partnership didn't do much for him. Umar was impressive like i didn't expect him to outstrike cory on the feet like that was crazy to see.
Didn't Trevor kinda step down on Rose and let Pat Barry do the coaching before that horribe loss? As for Sandhagen it's way early to make a proper judgement. The fight with Umar was always going to be hard no matter who was gonna be on this team. He possibly would've been more aggresive with Wittman, but maybe that just would've turned out worse who knows. I get what you mean, for example in the Gaethje Holloway fight, I think it would've benefit him to fight like the original chaotic Gaethje, instead for trying to match Max technically.
Bro it’s not wittman it’s his fighters he got these quirky fighters Gaethje is a warrior with a brawlers mentality trying to make him this slick kickboxer was never gonna work rose has always been some mentally soft clam bro she showed her truth self wen she retired after getting slammed on her head and us man is just old with bad knees they were eventually gonna go
OK tell me how it was a bad game plan in the second fight with Leon when he was cruising to a victory with ease up until the head kick it wasn't even close. Also let's take into account that his 3 best got older and have alot of wear n tear.
This video highlights the problem with MMA fans. Wait for the inevitable slip up then rail on guys with recency bias. Rose chose her grooming husband to corner and lead her camp. Once she distanced herself from Whitman she started losing. Gaethje was coming off a master class v Fiziev and a KO against Poirier in his peak and got beat fair and square by Max Holloway, a future HoFer. You may forget but Usman was dominating Leon before the head kick. Age and wear and tear on his knees has caught up with him. A wrestler who can no longer wrestle won’t ever stay in his prime. You’re really reaching here. Whitman is perhaps the best coach in MMA. Def best striking coach and his cornering advice is always excellent.
I acknowledge that Wittman is a phenomenal coach, but sometimes, his fighter end up being too defensive and sometimes a bit passive. Maybe it’s not entirely his fault. But I believe that him and Cory just aren’t a good fit. Maybe ‘Ruin’ was an overreaction.
1- Curtis blades has been considered Hey. Date keeper for the last five years?? 2- Usman Was destroying leon edwards During the second fight until that leg kick. Are you not aware that he can't wrestle the way he used to?Because of his knees?? I have to stop the video halfway through.That's awesome to meet you
Decline is caused by fighters not following their instinct and rules. He made countless Champions. He made Justin absolutely better as he made him more calm and focused vs brawler who would swing like a drunk guy. His last loss was due accepting to stand with Hawaiian and "bang".
Wrong. Trevor Wittman is the proper coach to turn a blade into a scalpel. He gives fighters that last 10 percent they need to go from good to dominant. You cannot blame him for occasional losses and stylistic issues. He creates the best versions of those fighters, however again styles make fights and sometimes even the pinnacle of a certain style can lose to a lesser form of a different style. Age, motivation and injuries also contribute to losses.
I don’t think Cory needed to be a scalpel, if you want to be successful against a Nurmagomedov, you can’t just be a blade. You have to be a shank, you have to really press forward and try to do damage.
I don’t feel it’s accurate to characterize Cory’s fight with Song in the same category as his fights with Chito and Font. He was really trying to hurt Song with the lead elbow, and he even got rocked pretty badly at the start of the fight. Regardless, great video and analysis 🫡
Dotn think he just randomly decided to slow down. i believe he had a controversy which caused him to sort of rebrand. something with one of his fighters who was on roids. dont remember exactly its been so long. possibly nate marquart? look into it lol. its your video.
i believe wittman trains his fighters at the same facility as the alttitude guys like overeem, blaydes etc. wittmans fighters spar against those guys too reportedly. you can assume the two already interacted quite a bit based on that. gotta do your homework lol.
Just did homework, elevation, altitude, and onx are all 20-30 minutes away from each other, they form a triangle. The Colorado mma scene is all pretty interconnected. I wasn’t saying that Cory got poached or anything but in his last 3-4 fights there has been a steady increase in the amount of coaching done by Wittman. As for the steroids stuff, it does look like Carwin, Marquardt, and a couple of others at Grudge were implicated in TRT and other steroids. That’s not the official reason for the disbandment but it’s likely that it was a factor.
I think the only one that the "careful approach" doesn't apply to is justin. He has improved and has the perfect figter coach relationship. But he unfortunately is in the top of one of the hardest divisions.
My conclusion after the fight was that what he is missing is the killer-dog mentality!! He has everything else! Interesting thought that he would need another coach to get it..
Sorry matey but you don't know what you're looking at if you think he 'didn't go for the triangle'. Leave out technical aspects if you aren't experienced in them
Dude shouldn't go for submissions against guys like him.. nothing is gonna work.. you need to punish him with strikes from underneath, during scrambles make it uncomfortable for him.. but going for something these dagi's easily neutralize is just a waste of energy
A younger Sandhagen was a very good at snatching up wonky submission. And it’s more about the fact that he didn’t try. He didn’t strike a lot off bottom either.
I actually commented on this after the last UFC card. I'm not sure if it's his strategy that is failing right now I think that there are always teams that seemed to rise up and have their time and then other teams start figuring out how to fight their fighter styles and those guys go up for a while. Also Rose is the most overlooked UFC champion. People forget that she beat the best two women in her previous weight classes history twice. She had one badly coached fight against Carla esparza and everybody forgets how great she was.
you cant asume that wittman was responsible for sandhagen having a lackluster striking peformance they only been working for a few months and i think sandhagen was more afraid of threat of takedwn to let his hands go and impose his will
Well.. .. the fighters are also getting old😂
Yes! That was what I was thinking as well lol
Yeah but Cory’s in his prime
@@bobjimbobjim9006corte in his prime and fought amazing vs umar. People think unless you’re the best fighter in the world, your declining 😂 so dumb. Cory is clearly improving, he just fought someone better
@@carloandreaguilar5916Yes! So sick of ‘fans’ that think anyone outside top 5 is a can. Anybody who fan hang in ufc is a fkn killer.
Why is everyone acting like umar winning is because sandhagen fell off. Sandhagen lost yeah but it’s not like he was blown out the water he lost a close but decisive fight. You stick around long enough you’re gonna lose simple as nothing more. You can’t just shit on their coach every time your favorite fighter loses
If you had really bad fight IQ in this match compared to other fights, and this might explain it.
That wasn't close at all,
It was 50-45 and 49-46 on others
Every round was competitive.
@@ExcIipsealthough you’re correct, each round was still competitive and umar edged them out it wasnt like he completely mauled 50-45ed him
@@ExcIipse you’re high if you think it was 50-45. I’m an Umar fan but you don’t have to unzip his pants and go down.
I think the biggest problem that cory had in the umar fight was punishing the takedowns, he defended them so well but never actually made umar want to stop going for them
Agreed
Cory really could have beat him if he just mixed more shots up and was more aggressive on the feet. He should have at least been trying his best to outstrike Umar every round with ranged kicks and jabs then he could have started working in mixups and setting up certain killshots with good feints. Cory is obviously a very top level fighter and has so much potential, he just needs to get more aggressive in these situations.
They train on Ramadan.. No fighter, Coach, Object or thing will ever give pain to soldiers like this. Being fine with dying for God vs. dying for Money are obviously 2 completely different things and this is the horsepower and philosophy the Dagastanis live by and it shows
That fight was a major disappointment.
I think theyre often so caught up on being defensive, they forget to win they need to actually fight back. Dont get me wrong he fought back but its kind of like fighting Khabib, many fighters later in his career, his opponents would be so defensive, like focused on not getting taken down, that they would forgo opportunities to do damage back.
I think this Is most prevalent and shown via as to why volk had such a good fight against Islam in their first fight, yes he was very good obviously but he didnt sit back and just play defensive and try not to lose. He still fought back and as we saw in round 5, didnt stop trying to win. Likewise, in the second fight, he was much more defensive (other factors too) but the overly defensive nature let Islam do what he wanted and could be argued lead to his finish with all the kick set ups.
Trevor Whitman make Kamaru Usman a good striker, make Gaethje someone who fight with skills and purposes. Can't believe this guy is doing this BS video.
Bro, it’s that he’s not a good fit for Cory. Usman and Justin were less technical and defensive. When Trevor is with Cory who already puts an emphasis on that, it overcompensates.
@@VampiricLegz...but the whole essence of the video is crapping on TW, and claiming he can ‘ruin’ fighters......
The same logic could be applied to any coach who is specialized in one area. If said fighter isn’t the proper fit, it will not benefit them and potentially ‘ruin’ them
The weight of TW’s ability to refine elite fighters into champions, far outweighs the risk that he poses by not meshing with a fighter.
He has helped fighters achieve way more than he has cost them, in totality
Maybe it didn’t come off that way, but I meant to put more emphasis on ‘can’. I’m considering making other videos about coach/fighter relationships and like always it’s not a one size fits all kind of thing. He has perfected quality over quantity on a large scale and that shouldn’t be understated, but sometimes his fighters don’t “go for it” in a way that they could without his structure.
TLDR - I didn’t mean to trash Trevor, but I think he’s partially to blame for Cory’s performance.
I just want to hear your accomplishments before the bashing begins
"alright guys, what you need to do is stay out of punching & kicking range then jab or kick, hopefully they walk into the strike. Ok, that'll be 1 million dollars, also take me everywhere so you can promote me! :D" - Trevor Whitman
The problem with this statement is you can put any coaches name after that and it would make sense
I honestly can’t tell if Trevor is just a really weird fking guy, or if he figured out that he can make a lot more money by betting against his fighters. That dude gets way too happy when his fighters lose
Sometimes 😆
or he's just a lover of the gym.
Okay I think you are going after the wrong coach. Sure Whitman isn’t perfect but he has trained some of the best fighters. You should go after Pat Berry who is the reason why Rose is no longer champion
Rose isn't the only fighter we're talking about. Not only that, but as the head coach, it's also Trevor's job to not just stand there like a loser while Pat Barry fills Rose's head with BS (which is exactly what he allowed to happen)
@@thekillerprawneasier said then done , if you watch the isparza fight you can clearly tell whose running the show in her corner, Pat. And frankly you don’t know what Trevor’s job is, that’s her camp but I’m sure if you asked her she would say Pat is her head coach.
@k45207 In the corner fair enough, but at the gym it's undoubtedly Whitman. I get your point but but if I was the face of a fighter's team I wouldn't be happy letting someone else with far less talent and experience make a mockery of my fighters
@@thekillerprawn yeah I totally get that yeah I don’t know the dynamics in her day to day training, but she’s married to Pat so even if Trevor is in charge of the day to day training in the gym, overall it’s Pat coming up with that dog shit game plan. And I totally agree with you Trevor should be stepping in but i don’t know if Trevor rolls like that. But you can even feel the tension in the corner between Trevor and Pat, like between the 5 or 6 round in the Esparza fight, Pat is just talking the whole time and Trevor just looks frustrated and tells her to “have fun” like he knew the fight was already over
@@thekillerprawnpat Barry is literally her husband. Whitman is an outside hire. It’s not that simple to tell her to not listen to her husband brother and you know that. If he did he’s the one who gets phased out.
Ah yes. People are in denial that Umar is just that good. His daily training partners are world champs, Cory is not better than his training partners.
MMA fans lose thought when it comes to dagestani fighters
Your brain probably didn’t even comprehend what the video said. Go back to school, lil bro
Umar is definitely way better than we thought, but Trevor Whitman took the dog out of Cory sandhagen
@@galmart3111Whitman didn’t take the dog out of him. Corey just couldn’t get his stuff going. When none of your stuff is working and you’re completely on the defensive for long stretches it’s mentally taxing. He’ll go against another striker and be fine just wait
Trevor doesn’t know how to bring the dog out in people. Cory just needed to be a dog as soon as Umar started out striking him. I just always noticed Trevor talks to his fighters like they’re have a light spar. Doesn’t inspire anything when the chips are down.
MMA fans acting like they're experts on this is always funny especially when we know you all doesnt actually train 🤣
You're completely dismissed the fact that Umar is just that good, has the best footwork that Cory has ever fought, also an elite kickboxer with better boxing basics than Cory, and also elite wrestling.
I agree tho I thought umar had much more success with the striking because of the threat of the takedown
@@MoodyMMA partly true but when you look at the techniques Umar is better. Cory's boxing technique was never that good
Fans have hard time man to acknowlege how these dagestani fighter are force to be feared.
Always having excuses when their fighter lost against dagestani.
He's a good coach, completely transformed Justin. The Max loss is just unfortunate. Nothing you can do when your fighter ducks into a spinning back kick to the nose in the first round man😅
That’s not even what broke his nose, that’s just Rogan and DC. It was a jab from the exchange before.
@@VampiricLegz does that make a difference to what I'm sayin man? Fact is his fighter got his nose broken in the very first round. What can the goddamn coach do about it. Btw Justin is as tough as they come man.
It’s just not a fluke like lots of people said. As I said in the video Trevor works with Justin because of the balance. Cory and Trevor are too alike so it makes him a bit gunshy.
@@VampiricLegz how do u know this
I believe Cory surprised himself with how well he dealt with the grappling. With this fight in hindsight, he would probably have more confidence in his TDD to throw more high amplitude strikes without worrying about the TD threats. But at the same time, this was Umar's first 5 rounder. So, maybe Umar did not commit hard with the TDs either, and he could possibly have more confidence in his cardio to commit more with his TDs and punches in the early rounds.
Its not just physical it's mental as well when he had his violent run u can see he was kinda angry and psychotic a little but then he found some peace got married or some shit and that killer is less now
Same kinda situation happened with Rory MacDonald.
Lol marriage will do that to a man
That's why you don't marry guys. Stay hard!
@@JustChill-zd4ibyeah...motivation making me rock hard!!!! :-D
@@JustChill-zd4ibYeah you become happy and more successful than ever? That’s what happened to Whitman.
A lot of people talk about “he didn’t bring that energy” or “he wasn’t himself” all the time and sometimes that’s true but also that’s what it looks like when high level guys grapple and shut someone down. People like striking because it’s easy to understand the basics and it’s flashy but if they trained just a little they could follow and enjoy the rest of the sport.
Grappling is also incredibly flashy. The problem is that stalling is a better tactic in MMA.
Not one freestyle or greco roman wrestling event comes close to the viewer ship of boxing, even kickboxing.and ngl some of these freestyle wrestling matches be better than some dagi laying on top of someone
These headcoaches are overrated. All the headcoach should do is focus on what their athletes need and bring along the best coaches for each specific things they need to train for. This is why GSP was successful, Firas wasn't "training" GSP. He would bring along the best gymnastics, bjj, wrestling coach and etc for him
Everyone here must be world class coaches lmao
Lmao ikr, the whole comment section just knows everything about coaching lmaooo
In Trevors defense over Rose specifically. I thought Pat Barry was much more of a major factor in her decline in performances. In that Esparza fight, seems like Whitman didn't get a single word in in between rounds and Barry said she was doing great
Most UFC champs aren't even better than Umar's training partners.
this dude turns fighters into boring decision fighters
This is just not true he’s coached kamaru and Justin gaethje. Those two are some of the most exciting fighters.
I think it depends on the style they already have, Justin and Kamaru had kind of bad defence to begin with. So he made it better. Sandhagen already had good defence so it was overkill.
Jackson-wink 2.0
What a dumb comment
Bro is one sub away from 1000 lets go bro
Technically did more damage to his opponent but lost cause that’s not how the scoring works 😂 🤡. Damage is the first thing that they use in scoring and it’s the most important.Cory lost that fight cause the judges don’t know how the scoring works just like you.
It was supposed to be sarcastic. Also the damage only counts if it’s invisible. Cory’s kneebar left TJ out of action for months.
It's hard to look more gay than Usman in that photo. 1:13
good stuff. and i like you don't use a bunch of a.i. slop. at least, i hope so!
Yeah I avoid that stuff, to me it feels inauthentic.
i do agree that wittmans live coaching likely lost sandhagen the fight. as it was very competitive early until wittman told him to go forward. still think it could be a match made in heaven though just will take time.
only time will tell
I say we send him to Glendale FC to get the real ruined fighter experience from Edmond.
Never really liked him, always a weird negative vibe to me.
Do one with Parillo, he’s ruining Chito Vera right now
Chito ruins himself lmao. Dude has no sense of urgency. He will be down 4 rounds and still coast.
Parillo’s advice going into the 5th round of the O’Malley fight was “you need to get a finish here because you know that the judges are gonna rob you”.
@@VampiricLegz Crazy lol, guy is a tool
@@deanstaysthrsty7120 Partly true
In reality Trevor is amazing STRIKING coach , NO mma! He lose fights, because he can made ONLY striking game plan. Thats all. his team could win with other game plan, but he dont do it. He just made strikers! And he fell against the best strikers and one wrestler. You cant make one wrestler better from the BEST strikers. Thats all!
I’ve heard a lot of people shit on Nicksick’s use of corner time saying it’s not advice but instead generic motivation, but most of these fighters alr know how to fight esp Sean and Sean’s the kind of guy that drives off of others’ motivating him
Based.
Just found this video while watching others but it was really good man keep up the good work
Brilliant video bud, I've felt the same way about Trevor W. I also see holes in the Killclif fighters (Henry Hoft) if possible can you make a video on that.
Yeah good idea. There's so many breakdowns on why fighters have won or lost as individuals but I think breaking down how the coaching styles could be detrimental or beneficial for a lot of gyms could be very interesting
Kamaru dominated Leon for the majority of the second fight on the feet.
Yes but by not using more clinchwork and wrestling, he allowed Leon the chance for a Hail Mary, kinda flukey kick.
@VampiricLegz I agree, but that's not on the coach that Usman believed in his hands a little too much maybe. Whiteman has made him a damn good striker.
It kinda feels like he is trying to win "Coach of the Year" in a weird way like making Usman a striker and Cory a defensive wrestler "look how I changed their style" seems like an experiment going wrong.
Imagine making a video like this when you have zero runs on the board yourself what an embarrassment. It’s a sign of the times when someone with zero qualifications makes videos about guys who have coached multiple world champions.
People are allowed to critique and have opinions on things they aren't actively involved in. I can like and dislike a movie without making one. I actually like Trevor; I just don't think he and Cory are a good fit. I have been involved in lots of sports from a young age; coach-athlete relationships/dynamics can have a big impact on performance. Anyway, you seem like a good dude, cheers.
I remember people saying that Whitman was the best coach in MMA. Better than Bareman, Nicksick and Mendes.
The truth is Whitman has always been crazy overrated. The only fighter who’s improved under him is Gaethje.
Yes, Usman got more entertaining under him because he improved his boxing and started going for KOs but ask yourself: Does the old Usman who trained in Florida at Sanford (Kill Cliff) MMA get KO’d like Usman did against Edwards? Absolutely not. He was much more defensively sound.
Whitman is simply a good offensive boxing coach. That’s literally it. How many times have you seen Gaethje get brutally knocked out? At least 3-4 times.
I agree with this
Beginning of the fight Cory was dynamic using all his MMA tools. Then dwindled slowly and his game plan shifted towards the end shifted more to a boxing heavy style immediately that was a mistake and Umar easily took over.
Corry sandhagen needs to work with elite grapplers and taekwondo guys. His flying knee is amazing. But he could be Zabit 2.0
He didn't even have a triangle in the moment you referred to lmao, Umar had two hands in so Cory would've just been gassing his legs for no reason when he had two minutes left to work. If you want to levy criticisms against coaches and fighters like this, at least be sure they are accurate. Not to mention that Umar is a world class grappler and he would have been exponentially harder to finish than a wrestler like Chael Sonnen. Umar was in a split squat which means even if he didn't have 2 hands on the inside nullifying the triangle, he would've still been able to stand up and stack Cory to escape.
Great take and video! Thought I was in the minority since he’s so well-known and liked. Great boxing coach but probably not the best head MMA coach
Trevor Whitman keeps losing against AKA Javier Mendez Khabib coach team all the time 😂
I don't think that Trevor Whitman hurt Cory sandhagen especially in the TJ Dillashaw fight. That was a bad decision by the judges. I do think there were some issues with his strategy against Umar but I don't want to blame Trevor Whitman for that fight especially because I think that he put up a great performance against TJ and should have won. I really do think it was the wrong guy winning that fight. I don't know why he doesn't do well with the judges but look at how badly the scoring was with him against Chito. He controlled that fight and destroyed Vera and one of the judges had it going the other way. He seems to only get the call if he gets a finish. When it comes to Usman I do think you have to take into consideration the fact that his knees are completely shot and so he's having a hard time using his wrestling and physicality like you once did. I do agree though that all of his fighters seem like they're stagnating a bit or other coaching staffs have sort of figured out what you need to do against a Trevor whitman fighter.
Umar is a bad stylistic matchup for Cory man. Stop the cope. When Usman, Rose, and Justin were at the top everybody was on his nuts
I thought Trevor Wittman could've helped Cory, but it seemed like that partnership didn't do much for him. Umar was impressive like i didn't expect him to outstrike cory on the feet like that was crazy to see.
Excellent coach clearly improves fighters a lot, couldn’t think of any other elite coach id rather fight under, don’t get the downplaying here
Didn't Trevor kinda step down on Rose and let Pat Barry do the coaching before that horribe loss? As for Sandhagen it's way early to make a proper judgement. The fight with Umar was always going to be hard no matter who was gonna be on this team. He possibly would've been more aggresive with Wittman, but maybe that just would've turned out worse who knows. I get what you mean, for example in the Gaethje Holloway fight, I think it would've benefit him to fight like the original chaotic Gaethje, instead for trying to match Max technically.
They just got old of course they are gonna fall offf at some point what year did those fighters sign in the ufc🤣🤣🤣. What take is this
Bro it’s not wittman it’s his fighters he got these quirky fighters Gaethje is a warrior with a brawlers mentality trying to make him this slick kickboxer was never gonna work rose has always been some mentally soft clam bro she showed her truth self wen she retired after getting slammed on her head and us man is just old with bad knees they were eventually gonna go
OK tell me how it was a bad game plan in the second fight with Leon when he was cruising to a victory with ease up until the head kick it wasn't even close. Also let's take into account that his 3 best got older and have alot of wear n tear.
I miss times when Kamaru Usman showed up at faceoff with a full face paint and one arm raised. Thats so fukin scary
Bullshit!!! Trevor wittman is great coach! Talk about pat barry sure theres alot to say
4 and a half years ago I’d laughed at this vid but now yeah ur right
Trevor is best for outfighters that like to box more than anything. Look at what he did with rose. That in itself is goated
Come on this content is BS. WTF? are you talking about.
You speak like someone who hasn't slept for a few days but the content and insight is on point
Jackson-wink style has always been a boring point style of fighting
1k subs bby let’s get it
Massive W
That was really well said brother. Thanks for creating.
Two of them don't wrestle, and Usman doesn't submit.
Never thought he was anything special about him
this is what fear does to fighters, trevor witman is a man that teaches fear
This video highlights the problem with MMA fans. Wait for the inevitable slip up then rail on guys with recency bias. Rose chose her grooming husband to corner and lead her camp. Once she distanced herself from Whitman she started losing. Gaethje was coming off a master class v Fiziev and a KO against Poirier in his peak and got beat fair and square by Max Holloway, a future HoFer. You may forget but Usman was dominating Leon before the head kick. Age and wear and tear on his knees has caught up with him. A wrestler who can no longer wrestle won’t ever stay in his prime. You’re really reaching here. Whitman is perhaps the best coach in MMA. Def best striking coach and his cornering advice is always excellent.
I acknowledge that Wittman is a phenomenal coach, but sometimes, his fighter end up being too defensive and sometimes a bit passive. Maybe it’s not entirely his fault. But I believe that him and Cory just aren’t a good fit. Maybe ‘Ruin’ was an overreaction.
Idk bro cory has pillow hands not that deep
1- Curtis blades has been considered Hey.
Date keeper for the last five years??
2- Usman Was destroying leon edwards During the second fight until that leg kick. Are you not aware that he can't wrestle the way he used to?Because of his knees?? I have to stop the video halfway through.That's awesome to meet you
Leon actually won the first round of the second fight before Usman took the next three rounds due to better conditioning.
Decline is caused by fighters not following their instinct and rules.
He made countless Champions.
He made Justin absolutely better as he made him more calm and focused vs brawler who would swing like a drunk guy.
His last loss was due accepting to stand with Hawaiian and "bang".
"bang"?
Justin got dominated
Ruined sand
Wrong. Trevor Wittman is the proper coach to turn a blade into a scalpel. He gives fighters that last 10 percent they need to go from good to dominant. You cannot blame him for occasional losses and stylistic issues. He creates the best versions of those fighters, however again styles make fights and sometimes even the pinnacle of a certain style can lose to a lesser form of a different style. Age, motivation and injuries also contribute to losses.
I don’t think Cory needed to be a scalpel, if you want to be successful against a Nurmagomedov, you can’t just be a blade. You have to be a shank, you have to really press forward and try to do damage.
Make longer videos. You built for it
didn't kamaru and gaethje just got old?
Is it true that Trevor Wittman is the only win championship in MMA, Boxing & kickboxing?
I know for sure he’s coached champions in MMA and Boxing, not too sure about kickboxing but it wouldn’t surprise me.
He's psycho he laughs when his fighters lose
This has got to be a troll video. Disliked.
His fighters use no jiu jitsu and that’s sucks
Spoken like a true casual brimbrimmmmmmm.
This a joke?? Lmaooo casual af
Easy they are past their prime
I don’t feel it’s accurate to characterize Cory’s fight with Song in the same category as his fights with Chito and Font. He was really trying to hurt Song with the lead elbow, and he even got rocked pretty badly at the start of the fight. Regardless, great video and analysis 🫡
Really interesting
They all got old bro
“Youth pastor vibes”😂
Dotn think he just randomly decided to slow down. i believe he had a controversy which caused him to sort of rebrand. something with one of his fighters who was on roids. dont remember exactly its been so long. possibly nate marquart? look into it lol. its your video.
i believe wittman trains his fighters at the same facility as the alttitude guys like overeem, blaydes etc. wittmans fighters spar against those guys too reportedly. you can assume the two already interacted quite a bit based on that. gotta do your homework lol.
Just did homework, elevation, altitude, and onx are all 20-30 minutes away from each other, they form a triangle.
The Colorado mma scene is all pretty interconnected.
I wasn’t saying that Cory got poached or anything but in his last 3-4 fights there has been a steady increase in the amount of coaching done by Wittman.
As for the steroids stuff, it does look like Carwin, Marquardt, and a couple of others at Grudge were implicated in TRT and other steroids.
That’s not the official reason for the disbandment but it’s likely that it was a factor.
Spot on analysis
Awesome takes in this video ! Glad I stumbled upon your page 🙌🏾
bs...wait...BS!
Awesome vid
Good video
Not to mention the Rose v Esparza fight
That was Pat Barry’s fault, he didn’t let Trevor speak at all.
Cory needs to watch ITP MMA's highlight vids of "Carlos Condit" & "Paul Felder" and realize why he got to the top
I think the only one that the "careful approach" doesn't apply to is justin. He has improved and has the perfect figter coach relationship. But he unfortunately is in the top of one of the hardest divisions.
Great video, I enjoyed it👍🏻
My conclusion after the fight was that what he is missing is the killer-dog mentality!!
He has everything else!
Interesting thought that he would need another coach to get it..
Sorry matey but you don't know what you're looking at if you think he 'didn't go for the triangle'. Leave out technical aspects if you aren't experienced in them
Dude shouldn't go for submissions against guys like him.. nothing is gonna work.. you need to punish him with strikes from underneath, during scrambles make it uncomfortable for him.. but going for something these dagi's easily neutralize is just a waste of energy
A younger Sandhagen was a very good at snatching up wonky submission. And it’s more about the fact that he didn’t try. He didn’t strike a lot off bottom either.
I actually commented on this after the last UFC card. I'm not sure if it's his strategy that is failing right now I think that there are always teams that seemed to rise up and have their time and then other teams start figuring out how to fight their fighter styles and those guys go up for a while. Also Rose is the most overlooked UFC champion. People forget that she beat the best two women in her previous weight classes history twice. She had one badly coached fight against Carla esparza and everybody forgets how great she was.
you cant asume that wittman was responsible for sandhagen having a lackluster striking peformance
they only been working for a few months and i think sandhagen was more afraid of threat of takedwn to let his hands go and impose his will
Liked, commented, subscribed. Great take for such a novice to the sport. I’ve been saying this about Trevor for over a year now.
Cory never had good boxing. Lost to TJ and Petr because of his boxing. And now Umar. You can’t blame Trevor for that
Yeah Cory brought a squared shoulders tall ass Muay Thai guard for no reason this fight
He did not get the UFC glove deal...he doesn't care anymore 😅
It's normal, the meta will change from time to time and not everyone can be perfect in every era of the sport.
Love this video, great points made. I have to ask, why give cory the first? Despite the cut he got?