@@AverageDadOfficial Wondamobile has the OP12 Chinese version flashed with an EU ROM... what would the drawbacks be for a UK user please? Their Q&A just confuses me!
same but sadly couldn't afford the emerald version, so I got the silky black and I'm miffed I couldn't get the green version but the quality build dull my unhappiness and still an upgrade from an s20.
Another great review, thanks! I only recently discovered (and of course subscribed to) your channel. Love that you cover most of the important points and you do so without sensationalism. I'd love to see biometrics discussed more. Perhaps it's not deserving of its own category, but I definitely think it's worthy of a minute or so in the vid. I'm switching from the s23 Ultra to the OnePlus 12 and the biometrics were a big part of my decision. I know the Sammy has an ultrasonic FPS, and that's theoretically better, but i have quite dry hands, and the ultrasonic struggles with them a bit. Less reliable than the Pixel 8 Pro's optical, and not really any faster. Plus there's a lag on the ripple animation when I unlock from the AOD. And no historic feedback on success. The face unlock is even worse. Even at its best, it's relatively slow, and at its worst, it's unreliable, with a lot of failures. So is the lift to wake feature. I know both of these are 'first world' problems, but so are ALL issues discussed in mobile phone reviews! And biometrics affect mobile users EVERY time they use their device. I've pieced together a pretty good picture of the OP12's biometrics by watching dozens of videos and speaking to an owner on Reddit, but I'd be keen to hear your thoughts too. The OnePlus 12 beats the s23u handily in terms of performance, display, haptics and battery, and for me OS (I've owned two OnePlus devices in the past, and logged the OS). I'm not a HUGE fan of the s23u's photos either, so I think I'll be fine with the OP12's cameras. It's the biometrics that I'm still undecided on. (I'm in Australia, so I couldn't buy the OP12 directly. I bought it from the Canadian OnePlus store and it's currently on its way to a friend in Canada, who will then forward it to me. So I can't test anything yet.) I'd love to hear your thoughts. 🙂
That's the thing with Samsung phones, they're very good but there's also a lot of hype and herd mentality. It's almost impossible to see a proper review/critic of their Ultra lineups. The Ultra lineups are automatically the phone of the year, even before they're released! Similar to iPhones pro Maxs. Another problem relating to this is that both Brands bank on this hype to overprice their products. When, I got the 23 Ultra, I did so based on the hype about the battery, then 2 weeks in, I realized I charged it almost as frequently as I did my Pixel 6A! Then the FPS wasn't any better than my 6A either, I only preferred that it didn't blast my face at night trying to unlock it. Getting to the 3rd week, I sold it. I was going to try the 24 Ultra because I think they got some things right this time but nah, I'm going to evaluate my options carefully.
@@raizo6895 yeah very true, in my experience. This is the third Samsung I've bought, and the fourth I've owned. S4, s6, s22u and s23u. Didn't love any of them but, like you, had reasons. Overall for me, the s23u is slightly better than the pixel 8 Pro, but still not a phone I love. Indeed the only phone I remember LOVING was the OnePlus 6.
I know looks are subjective but I think the back of my op12 is better looking than my iphone 15 pro and the s24u. I have the black one. Really like that sandpaper look. 😊 The op12 charges sooo fast that battery life is now irrelevant. ( for my purposes anyway and I usually have a charger near by)
I think a lot of people (reviewers) underestimate the IR blaster. Idk if that belongs to build quality but even tho the S24U is better in almost every category, the integration of the IR blaster almost made me go the Oneplus route. Especially since TV remotes are getting smaller and smaller and people (me) tend to lose them having one in my phone is amazing! Regarding your the alert slider: it's nice to have, but on Samsung (can't compare to other brands since I don't know about them) you have the routines in the software so I just have mines set to automatically switch between the sound modes which is even more convenient to me. My girls dad got the Oneplus and comparing it to the S24U camera they were pretty close, often I even preferred the look of Oneplus. That's pretty subjective I guess. Either way, thank you for giving such an in-depth review and keep up the good work!
I love this phone, I was such a huge fan of the S23 Ultra that I thought for sure the S24 Ultra would be my favorite phone ever and it really hasn't been. Don't get it twisted, it's awesome but it is still large, sharp cornered and for whatever in my small hands since they squared off the screen is very uncomfortable to hold. I have been using pretty much only my OnePlus 12 and feel like I'm not missing out on anything. Goodlock is great, but there are enough customizations in the OP that I am pretty content. Currently toggling between this and the pixel 8 pro and they're both great in their own ways.
@@a.m.3118 tough call, the pixel is a fantastic phone but probably the OnePlus 12 because of the processor, battery life, charging speed. The cameras are also fantastic and I don't see a huge drop off from the pixel processing. Bang for buck the OnePlus 12 is really a fantastic buy
Personally, I chose the silky black and I don't find it bland at all. It has a stealthy look with some shimmer and it looks very classy. Frankly, when I saw the flowy emerald green it's summoned up images of a disco ball hooking up with some kitchen tile and producing a love child. Normally, I love green but, that one just didn't appeal to me. I really wish that OnePlus would have released the white color globally that is exclusive to asia. It was very beautifully done and would have made a great third option. As far as the ip68 rating not being present is concerned, that doesn't really bother me. OnePlus designs every flagship phone with the equivalent of an ip68 rating but, they don't pay for the certification. Most people are unaware of this but, that certification tax on an extra $100 to the cost of the device. The IP 65 rating only adds an extra $25. To that end, they offer the ip65 to make people feel warm and fuzzy inside. Still, not paying for the ip68 certification and still offering it in the build enables 1 plus to pass the savings on to the consumer. In fact, you should definitely watch the teardown video done by JRE. If you pay attention you'll notice that all gaskets and ingress protection are present and accounted for. I'm gratified that OnePlus stuck to their guns and kept the curved glass design. It looks far more elegant and I love the ergonomics. Frankly, I detest the flat screen slab Flintstone phones that seem to be all the rage. They are very uncomfortable to hold and in my opinion they don't look anywhere near as premium. I guess it's just a matter of preference. When it comes to software, I prefer oxygen OS and color os. They are not completely the same but, they are pretty close. Personally, I detest Samsung's one UI. Don't get me wrong, it runs quite smoothly but, it's a bit confusing and is definitely not user-friendly. Furthermore, xiaomi's new OS isn't really a factor. I live in the United States and most people don't even know anything about their products. Anyway, thank you for the video. Very well done.
Decent review Mike. Toying with the idea of getting a Chinese OnePlus 12 with Oxygen OS as I want the White colour. It's worth doing as it's far cheaper than the official UK version. Am aware that Android Auto and eSim won't be available but not really fussed about those features.
I used my alert slider multiple times a day when i had a oneplus. I dont get some other reviews saying youll never touch it and its easier to just use the software to silence phone. Really? Good reviews man
The OnePlus 12 is in fact water resistant, but the cost of IP68 certification is more than the cost to build waterproof seals into each phone. Not certifying it IP68 helps to keep costs down for buyers.
Would you recommend jump from used S23 Ultra to OP 12? Difference would be around 70 euros. I was using OP 8 Pro before Samsung and it is still by far my favorite device of all the time.
I think for the price its really hard for me to complain about anything on this one. They hit it out of the park with the open and seems like they have done it again here. I wont be giving up my s24 ultra of course (i do use the Spen alot but ive been a note user since the Note 2 so that's to be expected 😊). If i could pick up a white 1tb version with the global rom.locally, I'd probably nab a 12 just to give it a try.
I notice you got the UK version (saw the 3pin plug), any reason for that? I seem to be in the minority, but really didn't like the green colour and the fact that it you wanted the higher ram there was no other option, not even the black. White version is available in other territories and really liked the look of that, so I'm importing it, with global rom and oxygen OS, 16GB 512GB version, for a little over £700. Well happy with that. Yes no free ear buds, but got existing ones which I'm happy with.👍
@@mog1888 no I didn't, got it from eBay, but by all accounts wonda is great. Probably would go with them next time as my phone took ages to get here, but hey, it still got here, so all good. With all non UK versions you won't get a 3 pin plug, but I think you usually get an adaptor included. I certainly did.
@@AverageDadOfficial Ah sorry. It's a toss up between the Xiaomi ultra 14 and the honor magic 6. I wanted the Xiaomi but the condensation problem put me off. What you think?
@@AverageDadOfficial So you mean oneplus 12 have better camera than vivo x100, if it is then please let me know because i want to buy but can't decide which one is better
@@aarkestraclub326If it's just the camera that's the deciding factor for you, why not look at different sample shots between the two phones and decide which one you prefer yourself? No one can tell you which one is better because it comes down to personal preference. Me personally, I love the true to life look of the OP12 photos.
@@tabris95 But i don't have samples 🙂, and in video watching the camera samples is not like real one bcz in video many times i saw that the image get oversharped or lacking of details because it's inside the video 🙂, if i could get the image sample of Oneplus and iqoo 12 somewhere so it can be easy to find right one, if you know some sites or having sample of any of these phones please share me🙂
If the phone was flat i would have got it but i went for the Samsung Ultra id still say in areas oxygen beats one Ui like the app draw etc and you can rename a app etc on the OnePlus. Samsung needs more options on its launcher.
Nothing. This has everything
Not far off
PWM is also very good and OP12 has it.
You look like his friend or brother from the pub. :D
@@AverageDadOfficial Wondamobile has the OP12 Chinese version flashed with an EU ROM... what would the drawbacks be for a UK user please? Their Q&A just confuses me!
@@jodaniel2361interested in this answer aswell. Cannot see their QnA on site at the moment, was showing a few days ago
Just got mine from Amazon. 16GB/512GB for $799. Definitely amazing price point for the specs.
Which colour bro?
Just upgraded from an S20 and it is light years better, love it!
same but sadly couldn't afford the emerald version, so I got the silky black and I'm miffed I couldn't get the green version but the quality build dull my unhappiness and still an upgrade from an s20.
@viet3211 was it easy to transfer your files from galaxy to the one plus. I have s20 ultra I planing to s24 ultra or wait for s25 ultra.
I have had loads of phones and currently 3 ...Pixel 8 Pro & Nothing 2 got my One plus yesterday and love it!!
Just curious but how good are the nothing phones ??
@@jamiehunter3567the name is very descriptive.
Another great review, thanks! I only recently discovered (and of course subscribed to) your channel. Love that you cover most of the important points and you do so without sensationalism.
I'd love to see biometrics discussed more. Perhaps it's not deserving of its own category, but I definitely think it's worthy of a minute or so in the vid.
I'm switching from the s23 Ultra to the OnePlus 12 and the biometrics were a big part of my decision. I know the Sammy has an ultrasonic FPS, and that's theoretically better, but i have quite dry hands, and the ultrasonic struggles with them a bit. Less reliable than the Pixel 8 Pro's optical, and not really any faster. Plus there's a lag on the ripple animation when I unlock from the AOD. And no historic feedback on success.
The face unlock is even worse. Even at its best, it's relatively slow, and at its worst, it's unreliable, with a lot of failures. So is the lift to wake feature.
I know both of these are 'first world' problems, but so are ALL issues discussed in mobile phone reviews! And biometrics affect mobile users EVERY time they use their device.
I've pieced together a pretty good picture of the OP12's biometrics by watching dozens of videos and speaking to an owner on Reddit, but I'd be keen to hear your thoughts too.
The OnePlus 12 beats the s23u handily in terms of performance, display, haptics and battery, and for me OS (I've owned two OnePlus devices in the past, and logged the OS). I'm not a HUGE fan of the s23u's photos either, so I think I'll be fine with the OP12's cameras. It's the biometrics that I'm still undecided on.
(I'm in Australia, so I couldn't buy the OP12 directly. I bought it from the Canadian OnePlus store and it's currently on its way to a friend in Canada, who will then forward it to me. So I can't test anything yet.)
I'd love to hear your thoughts. 🙂
That's the thing with Samsung phones, they're very good but there's also a lot of hype and herd mentality. It's almost impossible to see a proper review/critic of their Ultra lineups. The Ultra lineups are automatically the phone of the year, even before they're released! Similar to iPhones pro Maxs.
Another problem relating to this is that both Brands bank on this hype to overprice their products.
When, I got the 23 Ultra, I did so based on the hype about the battery, then 2 weeks in, I realized I charged it almost as frequently as I did my Pixel 6A! Then the FPS wasn't any better than my 6A either, I only preferred that it didn't blast my face at night trying to unlock it. Getting to the 3rd week, I sold it.
I was going to try the 24 Ultra because I think they got some things right this time but nah, I'm going to evaluate my options carefully.
@@raizo6895 yeah very true, in my experience. This is the third Samsung I've bought, and the fourth I've owned. S4, s6, s22u and s23u. Didn't love any of them but, like you, had reasons.
Overall for me, the s23u is slightly better than the pixel 8 Pro, but still not a phone I love.
Indeed the only phone I remember LOVING was the OnePlus 6.
I know looks are subjective but I think the back of my op12 is better looking than my iphone 15 pro and the s24u. I have the black one. Really like that sandpaper look. 😊
The op12 charges sooo fast that battery life is now irrelevant. ( for my purposes anyway and I usually have a charger near by)
I think a lot of people (reviewers) underestimate the IR blaster. Idk if that belongs to build quality but even tho the S24U is better in almost every category, the integration of the IR blaster almost made me go the Oneplus route.
Especially since TV remotes are getting smaller and smaller and people (me) tend to lose them having one in my phone is amazing!
Regarding your the alert slider: it's nice to have, but on Samsung (can't compare to other brands since I don't know about them) you have the routines in the software so I just have mines set to automatically switch between the sound modes which is even more convenient to me.
My girls dad got the Oneplus and comparing it to the S24U camera they were pretty close, often I even preferred the look of Oneplus. That's pretty subjective I guess.
Either way, thank you for giving such an in-depth review and keep up the good work!
I love this phone, I was such a huge fan of the S23 Ultra that I thought for sure the S24 Ultra would be my favorite phone ever and it really hasn't been. Don't get it twisted, it's awesome but it is still large, sharp cornered and for whatever in my small hands since they squared off the screen is very uncomfortable to hold. I have been using pretty much only my OnePlus 12 and feel like I'm not missing out on anything. Goodlock is great, but there are enough customizations in the OP that I am pretty content. Currently toggling between this and the pixel 8 pro and they're both great in their own ways.
Which one would be your pick for daily use if you had to Pick one?
@@a.m.3118 tough call, the pixel is a fantastic phone but probably the OnePlus 12 because of the processor, battery life, charging speed. The cameras are also fantastic and I don't see a huge drop off from the pixel processing. Bang for buck the OnePlus 12 is really a fantastic buy
Screen off memo is the most wonderful feature so when I had a note I used it daily. But no charging brick no more support for Samsung
Personally, I chose the silky black and I don't find it bland at all. It has a stealthy look with some shimmer and it looks very classy. Frankly, when I saw the flowy emerald green it's summoned up images of a disco ball hooking up with some kitchen tile and producing a love child. Normally, I love green but, that one just didn't appeal to me. I really wish that OnePlus would have released the white color globally that is exclusive to asia. It was very beautifully done and would have made a great third option.
As far as the ip68 rating not being present is concerned, that doesn't really bother me. OnePlus designs every flagship phone with the equivalent of an ip68 rating but, they don't pay for the certification. Most people are unaware of this but, that certification tax on an extra $100 to the cost of the device. The IP 65 rating only adds an extra $25. To that end, they offer the ip65 to make people feel warm and fuzzy inside. Still, not paying for the ip68 certification and still offering it in the build enables 1 plus to pass the savings on to the consumer. In fact, you should definitely watch the teardown video done by JRE. If you pay attention you'll notice that all gaskets and ingress protection are present and accounted for.
I'm gratified that OnePlus stuck to their guns and kept the curved glass design. It looks far more elegant and I love the ergonomics. Frankly, I detest the flat screen slab Flintstone phones that seem to be all the rage. They are very uncomfortable to hold and in my opinion they don't look anywhere near as premium. I guess it's just a matter of preference.
When it comes to software, I prefer oxygen OS and color os. They are not completely the same but, they are pretty close. Personally, I detest Samsung's one UI. Don't get me wrong, it runs quite smoothly but, it's a bit confusing and is definitely not user-friendly. Furthermore, xiaomi's new OS isn't really a factor. I live in the United States and most people don't even know anything about their products. Anyway, thank you for the video. Very well done.
Great video and I agree, compared to the competition, it does stand out compared to most other phones.
OnePlus 12 loses points for a curved screen but the Vivo got a 5 out of 5 lol
Ye thats inconsistent but its average not scientific dad
it was 3.5 no? i said i prefer the centred camera bump on the Oppo/Vivo.... did you pay attention?
@@AverageDadOfficial You deducted points for the curved screen on the OnePlus but didn't deduct points for the curved screen on the Vivo. Just odd.
@@AverageDadOfficialTrying to accuse your viewers of not paying attention when they point out YOUR inconsistencies is unprofessional and a bad look.
I really appreciate the thoroughness and honesty in your review. , Keep up the great work.
Thanks, will do!
Decent review Mike. Toying with the idea of getting a Chinese OnePlus 12 with Oxygen OS as I want the White colour. It's worth doing as it's far cheaper than the official UK version. Am aware that Android Auto and eSim won't be available but not really fussed about those features.
Bought from your website - Friendly customer service. Thank you!
this versus the Nubia z60 ultra video? I assume the nubia has the better battery life?
Thanks for your comments because I got my One plus yesterday and I will say that is a great device, one plus is back!
Enjoy it
I used my alert slider multiple times a day when i had a oneplus. I dont get some other reviews saying youll never touch it and its easier to just use the software to silence phone. Really? Good reviews man
Thanks!
The OnePlus 12 is in fact water resistant, but the cost of IP68 certification is more than the cost to build waterproof seals into each phone. Not certifying it IP68 helps to keep costs down for buyers.
Yes
Best phone of 2024 so far, forget about the money
Start of the year we're going to see some mega phones come out I'm waiting on the 14 ultra this year
Me too!
Me in 2024 waiting for Vivo x100 Pro Plus Ultra
Would you recommend jump from used S23 Ultra to OP 12? Difference would be around 70 euros. I was using OP 8 Pro before Samsung and it is still by far my favorite device of all the time.
I think for the price its really hard for me to complain about anything on this one. They hit it out of the park with the open and seems like they have done it again here. I wont be giving up my s24 ultra of course (i do use the Spen alot but ive been a note user since the Note 2 so that's to be expected 😊). If i could pick up a white 1tb version with the global rom.locally, I'd probably nab a 12 just to give it a try.
I accidentally ordered the 12 GB ram version do you think that makes a big difference over 16?
Nice looking phone ... wondering if this phone is going to get any AI features in future updates ?
Just bought one from ali express with global rom for £390 👍
Scam alert
I notice you got the UK version (saw the 3pin plug), any reason for that? I seem to be in the minority, but really didn't like the green colour and the fact that it you wanted the higher ram there was no other option, not even the black. White version is available in other territories and really liked the look of that, so I'm importing it, with global rom and oxygen OS, 16GB 512GB version, for a little over £700. Well happy with that. Yes no free ear buds, but got existing ones which I'm happy with.👍
Mark did you buy from wonda? Is there an option to buy with a UK plug? Thanks
@@mog1888 no I didn't, got it from eBay, but by all accounts wonda is great. Probably would go with them next time as my phone took ages to get here, but hey, it still got here, so all good. With all non UK versions you won't get a 3 pin plug, but I think you usually get an adaptor included. I certainly did.
The shuffle says to start my Average Dadathon here, so I shall.
Excelente reciew . I love that phone
Why do Chinese ROMs not have Google discover
Because Google is not in China.
Is this the pro version?
There is no pro version
@@AverageDadOfficial
Ah sorry. It's a toss up between the Xiaomi ultra 14 and the honor magic 6. I wanted the Xiaomi but the condensation problem put me off. What you think?
I think still camera is not good at this price level? Am I right, vivo x100 is better
You are wrong about camera my friend, it is very good for this price point.. Vivo is better but not global ROM
@@AverageDadOfficial So you mean oneplus 12 have better camera than vivo x100, if it is then please let me know because i want to buy but can't decide which one is better
@@aarkestraclub326If it's just the camera that's the deciding factor for you, why not look at different sample shots between the two phones and decide which one you prefer yourself? No one can tell you which one is better because it comes down to personal preference. Me personally, I love the true to life look of the OP12 photos.
@@tabris95 But i don't have samples 🙂, and in video watching the camera samples is not like real one bcz in video many times i saw that the image get oversharped or lacking of details because it's inside the video 🙂, if i could get the image sample of Oneplus and iqoo 12 somewhere so it can be easy to find right one, if you know some sites or having sample of any of these phones please share me🙂
1:35 🤣
I need ip68
Excellent video as always 👍👍👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Really like and appreciate your thourough Review - keep going :)
Thanks, will do!
If the phone was flat i would have got it but i went for the Samsung Ultra id still say in areas oxygen beats one Ui like the app draw etc and you can rename a app etc on the OnePlus. Samsung needs more options on its launcher.