Secrets of a High-Stakes Front Door Glue Up - Joiner's Struggle
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2024
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My dad, a joiner/carpenter had an expression “my arse went the size of a shirt button” which encapsulates the nervousness of that glue-up! Great work and glad you spotted it in time.
Brilliant! Ref the bottom rail hiccup , don't forget "the man who never made a mistake never made anything". Happy New Year
Hi from Suffolk. I do amateur woodworking and I love oak work. Really admire your attention to detail, so lacking these days. Thanks for taking the time on these videos. You deserve a million subscribers. Well done and thanks.
Oliver, you are a master craftsman who takes pride in your chosen trade - the world needs more people like you.
One of the problems with an advisory service is potentially if anything went wrong you might be considered liable. Of course you can often get insurance for such work but in some cases you have to keep insuring yourself for many years to keep the cover going just in case you are accused of mis advising if something goes wrong down the line. I make mounts for museum displays and it’s pretty niche. When I set up I was asked by a few museums if I would train their staff and found out about this insurance/ liability potential and it put me off because a lot of what I do is actual hands on stuff and for that I need a different insurance. things are never straightforwards these days! It might not apply to you but worth being aware of in case. Love the channel by the way.
Professional indemnity insurance is whats required. As an electrical business we need it as we design installations, advise on products etc.
Theres an electrical channel who offers the advice contact like you mention Oli, he started it at a monthly cost he thought as enough and had to double it after the first few weeks due to the amount of time he was spending on calls and messaging.
Its a good idea, but as with everything, you will always get a few taking the urine
what a beautuful door
Another excellent video. I'm personally getting a lot of value from your uploads ( as a newb to woodworking ).
As for consultancy, think VERY carefully before going down that rabbit hole. When your part is done that's when it enters no mans land and if things go wrong you might become the scape goat.
If your motivation is to share your knowledge, you are doing just that right here and it's genuinely appreciated 🍻
O Blimey Oliver! I felt sick waiting to see what you had done. Thank goodness you realised in time. Consultancy is a great idea - I'm already grateful to you for help with the silicone issue.
I was stressing out just watching you , great job .
Another cracking videos love the fact you do it as a real time effort meaning glue up errors, everybody and even noah and his ark has had that problem but you proved its not the end of the world.
I may be wrong but I think an advice consultancy could be a black hole for your time. Just keep producing videos and talk through your thoughts and explain the techniques you are using and why (pros and cons) to convey your understanding of how you produce such great pieces of work.
Never seen method used for glazing bars really good especially when the bone is so fine ya done well with that pu that door was really a two man glue up cascamite buys a lot more time im always alone too
It’s the dogs dangly bits that is mate, inspiring stuff👏
An absolute beauty. Consultancy would be great. Just make sure you caveat advice. Look at how Roger bisby on skill builder does it. It’s really valuable
I'm not sure a pay for consultancy is what you want to set up. I'm almost certain it would suck all the fun out of the job for you. I could see something like the wood whisper guild being successful though. If I was in your position I would probably start with a free to access forum of some kind, stick ads on it and it would be self funding (probably). It would give you a taste of having a community to interact with. You can then move towards offering more pay for services as you see fit.
As for the video, great stuff. I really wish you'd made this series a few years ago when I was building sash windows and doors for our house :-). I'm really pleased to see how much I got right considering I'm self taught.
Splendid video, a great door and great craftmanship
The oft unappreciated skill of the joiner is the ability to see ahead where problems will arise and being able to resolve an error so no one can spot the mistake.
I work in education consulting and the problem is where do you draw the line on advice, the person giving advice as one thing in mind but the receiver often expects something quite different, in the end you’ll end up working for a pittance. Generally some clients just set out to bleed you dry. By all means go for it but be very precise where the boundaries lie - same precision as when planning a job.
Nice job, the glue up shows you are a mere mortal after all 😂
My best one was putting the door together, checking square then realised I'd missed taking out the wedge gaps on one side of the stile for the top rail 🙈🤣
Always a distraction!
At least I'm not the only person that can have a stressful glue up at times😂. I'm a hobby woodworker in devon. Love watching your videos as they are interesting and informative to watch from a woodworker point of view but I also work in architecture. Great job on the door
Gunstock doors are always so nice.
Hi Oliver. The joy you have in your work, together with techniques and solutions is evident, as was the note of panic; but we all make mistakes. I believe consultancy would be a good way to go as you are so knowledgeable and an excellent teacher. Take care of yourself 🌞
This episode detailing gluing up the bespoke door was great to observe. You certainly have to be methodical and fully appreciate of the ‘open’ time for the adhesives. The use of simple timber blocks to ensure absolute alignment of the glazing bars was typical of your wonderful attention to detail as was your method of preventing racking during the disassembly of particular component parts during the glue up. Each part of this series has given us tremendous insight into bespoke joinery (machine and hand tool methods) and has been highly educational and inspiring in so many ways. We are most grateful to you for continuing to share your passion and wonderful skills.
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Hope you feel better soon. Great series here on the entryway. thanks for the videos.
The ipa spray works so well for cleaning up squeeze out from the pu glue. It can be so difficult to clean up once the glue has all gone off not to mention the time taken. It was a good honest glue up video - complete with the moment of panic when you realised the rail was wrong way around 😂 we have all been there!
Great video, When we made the doors in the joinery shop, we used to use a lump hammer for driving the wedges. The reason for this was it took less of a swing to drive them in and therefore less chance of missing the wedge and hitting the door. Loved the process and I’m looking forward to seeing the end result
interlocking glazing bar😍 a new one to me. Love it, thank you.
Best gluing up video I have seen. Nice to see even someone as skilled as your self has glue up miss happs.
I have only made two doors in my life. Both glue ups my misses has come out for a chat about something she must speak to me about right now just as I was spreading out the PU…..
Conversation did not go well 😊
Lovely door that one
I find glue ups stressful, even when just watching a video of one! I'm known as Paddington in our house.
Great video !!!! increadable work !!!! thanks
That was a hell of a save on the glue up
Modesty is a very good quality. We are always learning. Your solutions are very good. I am 70+ years old, and I look at your works with great interest. I made kitchen furniture, but there was everything else during my work.
Great door BTW - another cracking series. Hope you film the install 👍
Waaaaaaayyy nice. The majority can’t afford/appreciate what this is. 😊
Nice job again
I have to say you were far calmer than I tend to be when the glue-up hits a bump but the anti-racking technique was a masterpiece. Great series, the final assembly with door furniture and hinges would be really interesting to see.
Hi Oliver, coming to you from Panama City Florida. Great design and door build. Thank you for the detailed instruction and advise
Great job as always Oliver, bet that was fun lifting it around on your own, it’s a monster
Awesome work.
Thanks.
Im not a joiner, bog standard carpenter!
But i love the precision in your work.
Can i ask.
Whay do you choose pu glue.
I used it for the forst time today.
My hands are destroyed!
I guess im just used to the normal wood glue.
Cheers, and God bless ya sir.
24:48 Gloves, gloves, gloves! PU is an absolute nightmare to get off your hands and fingers
Sorry to be a smart arse.... but I think Oliver mentioned why he uses that glue. I think he said that he has more confidence in it in the long run, particularly (I suppose ) as it is an outside or external door, he would expect the timber to move or fluctuate over several seasons. He implied that this glue has a little flexibility and therefore would be less likely to fail over time.
Itll take some time and perseverance to get used to it but i wouldn't do back to runny glue now. Nitrile gloves are necessary, IPA cleaner too. some are better than others and they all vary! Cartridge type is alot easier than the bottled stuff.
Great job. Looking excellent. Problem solving makes it a more rewarding experience and therefore more enjoyable. It gives you a "lift " when it all works out. Well done. I'm looking forward to seeing everything assembled. Cheers. Jim
Nice to see the door all glued-up. And it looks impressive.
Regarding consultancy - I think this is a great idea. In any profession and at all skill levels, individuals on occasion require someone to discuss their work with and/or seek guidance. As you said in the video, it could become quite time consuming with little financial reward.
I love your workmanship it is so detailed BUT i do not understand why there is not more likes. Great job again i have been watching your channel for a while and it is AWESOME can not wait to see the install and this whole job the way it looks. I can picture it my head but that is not like the real thing cheers for another great video. right people hit the THUMBS UP BUTTON COSTS YOU NOTHING
Personally, whenever I've done anything, and wondered if it was the right thing, I've only ever been proved right!? So I would feel a bit cheated if I'd paid for a Consultant, it's about having the confidence to carry out your ideas, and by simply doing what you are doing on utube you are a kind of Consultant. Just jeep doing what you do. 😊
Fabulous job!
Great looking door Oliver and love the attention to old school detail. Having been there with glue ups, my heart was in my mouth for a brief moment…..as I’m sure was yours ! Great vids thank you.
awesome idea with the subscription/ consultancy program!
The title sums it up well. Kudos for adding the on screen note @10m55s kept us watching all the more! Watching on was both nerve-racking and reassuring for our own assembly mistakes.
Please could you check the link for the glue spreading tool - not working for me.
I’m sure your skills in problem solving, thinking in your feet and adapting and overcoming issues on the job are all down to growing up on the farm. Like you said, you have also been doing this for schools so you have build up a wide range of experience and technique that you draw on every day.
Those two combined have made you into the master craftsman you are. The other thing farming adds is that ability to endure the relentless nature of running a physically demanding business and keeping up to date with the admin side of things. You can see it in your brother too!
Another great video, i felt your pain, yeah glue ups are stressful well done for keeping your cool and getting it done, looking good. Always look forward to your vids!
Another fab video. As for consultancy I would think that could work for someone with your carpentry skills, problem solving skills and experiences, who wanted to spend less time on the tools and building things themselves. Trying to do both may be very frustrating.
Thanks for good video. Master at Work.
I'm curious if your client watched this???
Bloody excellent work.
😂 He's human, good recovery. Re pallette knife, I use a small spatula I got in 1974 when I worked in the NCB (coal board) laboratories, only problem it's razor sharp & bendy with all the cleaning over the years.
When you screwed the blocks into the glazing bar section and set the temp panel on, I laughed out loud, that idea was sick. I didn’t know how you were going to get the rails back off cleanly. Also, the glue up error was good TV. I’ve been there many times. Not the exact situation, but many similar. Minnect is a service that might work for connecting with people for advice. A podcaster I listen to made the site. I haven’t used it but might be worth looking at. Thanks for the videos.
Spot on re the PU glue, there's no comparison for anything that might face the elements. Titebond, etc., even the 'exterior' ones, will eventually break down if exposed to moisture. PU glue won't. Obviously this is all being painted and shouldn't ever see the sort of moisture that would trouble a Titebond-type glue, but for proper exterior projects (benches, planters, etc.) there's no comparison in my experience.
A bit late but Happy New Year Ollie. I can get a bit stressed out on the little glue up jobs that I do, so that door........😮 I would consider very carefully the consultancy thing for there could be many pitfalls. If you do, then go in with both eyes open. Thanks for the video, another in a great series.
Palette knives are very handy tools. They're also great for tooling caulk.
Little dab of water goes rock hard and quicker set Time repaired 100 year and 200 year old floor boards many times with pu glue and no issues.Saved the old floor boards to which would of been chucked
It’s good Gear!
Great tip with the solvent cleaner. I’ll have to try that. I’ve always just scraped the worst off and then cleaned up with a chisel the next day. Gluing up a big door is always a stressful time, you did well to keep your cool when that bottom rail was back to front. Do you think when the glue has started to dry like it had, that the strength is compromised? I keep thinking I should do some strength tests to see if it is a weaker joint than one put together when the glue is straight out of the tube.
There was a saying when I was an apprentice joiner. You should be able to knock a tennon into a mortise with your hat. Semparoc 60 pu would’ve given you the time to glue that door together in one hit and still had time to have a cup of tea. 😀
What about making dog holes in your assembly bench, and using clamps to hold the rails firmly in place while you tap the stiles free?
We've all been there--the glue is spread, assembly is underway, and something is backwards, upside down, whatever. PANIC!
Hey Oli, another great vid again,really showing how glue ups can go, especially the mild panic.
The pre glue up of rails that’s the best,imagine the stress of having to pull those apart if you did one big glue up.
I always do component glue up as much possible might take a little more time but so worth it to get the rails straight.
I must admit I use laser measure internally to get accurate measurements instead of tape measure just bit less fiddly when on time constraints.all good though.🙏👍
Ollie … the lucky ‘bar steward’ ha ha good spot though to be fair. Go for the consultancy but get a disclaimer done. I’ll email ya as I’ve got a little project to complete and would happily pay for some top notch advice if you want to test it out. Simmo
somebody is knocking on the door...let them in...
Wow close one 🙈
I’m curious about in the glassing bars where they crossover each other with that lap joint. Do you fill that gap with something? Again, thanks so much for all the detail.
Online consulting may cause that you will add a multiplication factor to the mistakes made by people who are looking for your help, because they had made mistakes. What I mean is you cannot control all the circumstances the same way you do it in your workshop.
Once a year or once a six months 1-week long joinery course for 10-15 people may be a better idea.
The title is a bit too clickbaity and with your proficiency you don't need click-baits.
The doors and whole portal are a work of art.
Glue and delivery to clients =stress.😅😅👍🏝️🇨🇦
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Great video. Have ever use Woodstock product? The MUF adhesive. What is your opinion on that if you know that brand. Thanks
Don't know the brand but ismt it just a UF resin adhesive?
years ago... the joiners used glue that they heated up in a pot.. derived from fish i think... that was good glue
Yes that was in the good old days.... I think they used to go around hunting Whales in those times as well, to get lamp oil......J.K.😜
With your glue-up near f@#k-up, do you normally label your pieces ? I'm sure I've seen others do it, and I worried in a few other vids when you were pulling apart and re-fitting, that an error might occur. Bit of different coloured tape on either side of each piece wouldn't harm, would it?
Loving the door.
Agree with some of the comments on Consultancy. Ask an Engineer about Chartered status. Might be eye-opening
No, the face mark is really obvious when you work with joinery it's bible., this was absolutely a, under the weather mistake with the distraction of filming. 👍👍
@BradshawJoinery did wonder. Hope you are feeling better now. Looking forward to the fitting vid. Gonna look amazing
Sorry I probably missed the reason but…why polyurethane??
stays a little bit flexible. Is less likely to fail over several seasons when there has been the possibility that the timber has moved or in other words contracted and /or expanded slightly over time.
@@mickymidnight1 Even when pegged you would use that?
No I wouldn't necessarily use it myself. The last time I did any joinery was a very long time ago. Now I am just a bog standard chippy@@ikust007
Could you sit down for ten minutes and go over your training background and experience? I know it’s there but I don’t know your process? And yes I think being a paying member to this would be great ?
Mostly for doors to begin with is what I am interested in ?
Well I don't know about you, but my buttocks are just beginning to unclench. I'm glad my workshop is in a rural location, the language can get a wee bit fruity at a glue up. Thanks for posting.
The consultancy idea is ok in theory - but think of the consequences! Someone acts on your advice, their project goes horribly wrong and litigation begins, " He told me to do it this way and it ended terribly costing me much money" In an age of litigation, I'll agree its not as bad as the USA, but people do look for any way to sue others with good intentions.
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I've been looking forward to this video, the gap for the panels in rebate, you left 2mm, I've bought some of the little black space balls the Yankies seem to rave about, have you used them and what do you think ?
Is it a short door or are you really tall😊
I know exactly why you say that. But I think it is all to do with camera angles and perspective. Have a look at the end of the video, like at 23 mins and 27 seconds. At that point the Door looks to be a good 6 inches taller than Oliver, who I am guessing is around the 6ft mark
Great tip with the solvent cleaner. I’ll have to try that. I’ve always just scraped the worst off and then cleaned up with a chisel the next day. Gluing up a big door is always a stressful time, you did well to keep your cool when that bottom rail was back to front. Do you think when the glue has started to dry like it had, that the strength is compromised? I keep thinking I should do some strength tests to see if it is a weaker joint than one put together when the glue is straight out of the tube.