About marksman, Yeah we can all agree it has a slow firerate but darn, The damage is relatively high considering it's somewhat of an early tower, Later upgrades allows it to solo boss1 (you can do it faster with two marksman). And again, With the further upgrades.. I even managed to stop a hidden boss rush solo with just 2 lvl 4 marksman, That explains how good it is. And about mercenary, considering how nerfed it is, it cant even kill a single hidden boss nowadays. Felt disappointed with buying mercenary for my friend.
Adding to this comment, when I'm in 1v1's, using the loadout of Marksman, DJ, Commander, Farm, and Zed (incase of late game) you can beat the notorious boss 1 spam using 4 level (2) marksmen. They can spam an insane amount of boss 1's and you can still beat it. Of course you need to place commander and possibly DJ for the best percentage of survival, but you can survive more than 20 bosses spammed at you. I tested it.
@@iamhappyio As an old user of marksman I can tell that using level 3 marksman is better against Boss 1's since it has greater dps for the cost (level 2 marksman has 2 dps for 1050 dolars while level 3 marksman has 7 dps for 1890 dollars).
Marksman can almost kill void in a solo match, if it is Co-Op it can kill the void, so I will make the marksman to be atleast further than the soldier Rail gunner it really OP and kills void faster than phazers if played right, ofcourse the cons of no hidden so it needs to have that little bit of hidden detection, and cant play much with it if there is no cliffs
Somthing I recommend is combining DJ, Comander and Railgunner allowing it to be twice as fast as normal and you can get a permit power boost of 65% and a temp power boost of 115% combined that with merc so that it can fire just as fast if not faster then endgame comando. Perfect for hiddens, large enemies and a real damage dealer for wave 20 spams.
I found this tierlist pretty weird.. First of all, Planet confirmed that Harpoon Hunter slows void.. It got its dmg buffed so its more useful but then again the entire slowing effect got nerfed. Soldier is extremely underrated and im glad to see it higher than expected, really good PvP tower. I like the golden scout way more than golden commando, its pretty solid for early boss 1s. Really solid editing and the tierlist was pretty accurate at the most part, golden commando is a good tower but it sucks on small maps on PvP since you get rushed often
Thank you so much for the editing compliment! I really tried outdoing my last tier list video, as for harpoon yea I intended for it to be C tier but when I asked for comments on it people buffed it to B tier and I went with it but now I def see it deserves its spot and ngl that is a true con for gc..
@@kbflatt8295 Gc isn't good for spam, it's excellent at annilihating single target but if you're dealing with br then splash dmg towers like mortar or multi target like plasma would be miles better
It’s honestly pretty sad to see now nobody realizes how insane shotgunner is at generally everything. It is I’m pretty sure the cheapest way to defend wave 1-8, needing only 2-3 of them for this, doing this also let’s you get insane eco, 2 level 4 farms at wave 7, and the tower itself isn’t half bad, being a great boss1 rush counter if you have other towers with it.
Glad to see someone else sees the potential as well! I think the issue is people don’t use it correctly. Shotgunners should be spammed without upgrades since the lvl 2 upgrade costs the same price but only gives range upgrades, but most people upgrade anyway because there’s some misconception that upgrading is always “better”, when the math shows it isn’t always the case.
Tubber back in 2020 was S tier top 1. You could've won 1v1 so easy with Farm, Tubber, Commando. and DJ, It destroyed Boss 3 and Boss 4, also the Necromancers.
It seems to me that it is not necessary to look at how much damage the tower has, but how profitable upg, Gc, for example, for his money only at the last level he is profitable, but for example, mercenary, has a profitable upg at almost every level, it's a pity he was fixed, he was good for a beginners
Did Kenu completely forgot max Tweeter shares range with other Tweeters? Also I feel like "Overshadowed by GC" isn't a good excuse since GC is an abomination but that's just me.
I accidentally opened the video file whilst editing so I lost progress, pretty sure I added that to it but unfortunately idek what I fine tuned when I lost it so rip True GC is, just kinda used it as a reasoning as to why the tower is not higher ranked than what it is even tho it is better than the towers around it to show that it would be higher if gc did not exit y'know? def get your point tho
A lot more agreeable than the last tier list i saw from you, even though some bad data made some ranks a bit out if place (harpoon hunter can slow down void AND endbringers, kinda op ngl and anarchist is incredibly strong when microed) Well in the end, it’s your opinion but i have some tips if you do make another one of these videos: You should try playing on a new account for a while to give yourself the perspective of a player that has just started, i’ve done this myself and my ranking of fragger and tweeter has gone wayyyy up. Try using every tower a bit before ranking them to refresh your thoughts about them. And finally try asking people about their opinions so that your personal preferences don’t cloud your judgment.
Valid points I agree on all of them, due to a lack of experience on the changes I did in fact ask for opinions and this ended up as the result tho if I could rn I would place shotgunner higher as for others I still believe they are atleast in the right tier and yea reason anarchist is not S tier is as stated at the start it includes Survival and Versus in decision making so unfortunately that's why some dropped due to only favoring one side
this tierlist is really meh considering how marksman, shotgunner, enforcer, plasma and gs are put lower than mercenary... marks and gs are much more cost efficient and also have a significantly higher DPS at max -GS may have expensive HD but it's always used with plasma (and plasma is used in almost every single meta loadout), and even without plasma it's able to solo DEV waves 1-39 consistently (yes its bad Eco if you get a Level 4 GS early but it doesn't matter because no one can send against you in survival) -Marksman also struggles with overkill but just bring some crowd control (you should always be bringing crowd control anyway), even in survival it's still great as he can solo carry waves 1-13 in a duo -shotgunner seems underwhelming but it defends b1r and you can get double orchard at wave 7, and if youre really good, you can get 8 orchards at wave 14 it's one of the best towers for getting eco, funny enough he can be used in DEV (not recommended) even with no HD, he doesnt deserve a C even if he's not great for survival -enforcer is also able to get wave 7 double orchard and it counters b1r, b2r, and mar, its used by most tb pro -also why Plasma is so low it counters b1r, b2r, b3r, b4r, and could counter nbr depending on the map, its easily an S class tower... anyways sorry for essay 🤓
Basically all towers weakness (Mostly my experience/opinion. If you disagree - it's fine): Scout: Lacking from Mid-Game (Wave 12) + Expensive Hidden Detection. (In my opinion - bad for a Starter tower.) Fragger: Lacking from Wave 17 Sniper: Necromancer is his arch-nemesis. Shotgunner: No Hidden Detection Cryo Gunner: Weak on his own. Soldier: Lacking Late-Game Tuber: Levels 1-3 sucks hard. Only good starting from level 4 (RPG), full potential only at level 5 (High Tech Microwave) Mortar: Cliff placements (Very limited in numbers sometimes) Farm: Overfarming (sometimes) + deals no damage (lol obvioisly) Patrol: Spawn time + useless on Level 1. Enforcer: Lacking Late-Game Aviator: Flies in Circles (limited amount of max enemy hits) Pyromancer: Weak on his own (starting from Wave 17) Marksman: Overkills HARDLY on level 5. Commander: Weak on his own. Commando: Expensive + Levels 1-4 suck HARDLY. (If not in large numbers + Commander & DJ buffed) Anarchist: Sucks HARDLY unless Versus. DJ: Useless on his own. Railgunner: Expensive, No Hidden Detection, Overkills A LOT. Phaser: His main weakness is enemy hordes (he locks onto one target) Plasma Trooper: Lacking Late-Game (Wave 31 or earlier) Zombie Extermination Device (aka. Zed): Expensive + Limited in numbers. Golden Scout: 150 Wins required + Expensive max level. Golden Commando: Requires 250 wins to get and be rich like at least Elon Musk to upgrade. Huntsman: Only few people have him. Scarecrow: Useless starting from Wave 5 Resting Soldier: Waste of tower slot. Elf: Laking Mid-Game (Starting from like Wave 22 or earlier) Graveyard: Useless unless level 5 with spawnable 10k hp Jack + placement limit. Sleeter: Better than Cryo Gunner, but still, lacking kinda badly from Wave 17. Harpoon Hunter: Cliff placements + Lacking Late-Game (Wave 31-35+) Please, tell me if I missed someone. (I will only ask to be respectful, because myself I only have like... not a lot wins, I might miss something)
u forgot something about commander 1. when u use call to arms u can't use airstrike or using airstrike blocks call to arms thats the worst thing for the commander
This tier list might have been made by a random considering that shotgunner and enforcer have the best eco/eg in game allowing a player to get enough farms to grant them 9k per wave at wave 17 in a 1v1 and putting barracks to high when it lacks damage on any map below 200 studs. and saying that enforcer is reliant on turns was proven wrong when someone soloed dev using enforcer. And as of patrol....hmmmm this tower and commando are easily out classed by avi. Avi also has a spot on every map besides Dead end Valley. If you have a money problem late game and you can't afford 5 max Avis wave 32 then just greed more. And as of right now scarecrow is broken and just makes enemies moon walk. Saying that merc was better than marksman in pvp is also wrong. Merc can not Defeat a b2r on any map under 190 studs. where as marksman can do it on any map above 140 studs. And saying Gc is the best damage dealer in the game is wrong...Because of lag phaser out classes it easily. Gc's dps can drop to about 100 in vs when a player gets Necro boss rushed. Where as phaser is less affected by lag and maintains a higher dps. And mortar is easily out classed by 5 stacked Zeds with the CTA bug. Also grave yard it should never be used for early.
theres a thing for events towers are no longer allowed to get it and you need to get wins for golden towers (golden scout 100 wins and golden commando 250 )
Rail is really good for taking out boss 2 and Its a good spammable mid - entering late game tower if you have cliff space. Phaser is mainly for direct tank killing while rail is a bit more versatile. also if you like pvp rail is a lot better than phaser trust me
@@p2p_p3p From what i've seen, most maps have enough cliff space to put atleast 4 railgunners down which usually is enough to deal with most rushes due to the range. It's only unreliable if you plan on having railgunner take over end game dps which is a bad idea.
Good question, that's actually hard to answer imo although I'd say maybe a ranking or three lower I'd still say it stays in the B tier category even tho the upgrade prices were buffed
big problem you forgot to talk about the commander is that its range is really small, so you have to spam commanders all across the map just to chain commander ability
Nice vid! Most of these I agree with, but I kinda think Shotgunner should be somewhere around B tier. To add-on to the pros list: Spammable with high dps ($300 for a 4 dmg small splash tower is kinda op), counters large early game sends and anarchist androids, can cripple boss1 sends when enough is spammed, in a 3v3 match u can solo defend from wave 1-8 with the other 2 farming which is a good boost for ur teammates. And to add-on to cons: Hiddens and early boss1s, upgrades aren’t as cost effective as the base tower.
mortar is an s tier tower for both pvp and survival lol in pvp for some reason if u spam alot of mortars it lags the game alot making literally every tower low firerate in their team
i think golden scout deserves a tier because it does good in early and mid game and using a commander and dj with it makes it op by destroying stuff at lv5
I will disagree with phaser. I think tower much more flaws. Cooldown on every kill is a big problem. On those peroid commando will do more dps. In survival it only has usage at last wave. So extremely situational,. In pvp it is useless. People spam zombies which will keep phaser distracted. I seen people use phaser in pvp and they ended up losing because I spammed boss 3. So I'd say phaser is bad tower.
I kinda disagree Phaser is A-Class since you can use it as Boss2 Killer or Hidden Boss early. And without Phaser maps under 200 length will be Impossible solo without GC and 160 under with GC
You know what i dislike about this game and other tower defense games? Is that sometimes if not most of the time the towers start at level 1 when they should start at level 0 So technically you are only actually getting 4 upgrades.
i would move soldier to A tier with how efficient they are, whether its spamming 3 lvl 1s early or lvl 4 and 5 upgrades. golden commando i would put at c because you really need a good economy to make them useful endgame and 5000 credits to place your first doesnt really sell it for me
Gc isn’t that bad for small maps, I mean it’s needed to solo/duo small maps like dead end valley, grassland, Mars, and all the other like maps with under 200 track length.
actually nah merc can deal with boss 1 rush if you use it correctly I mean, just sell some of your farm and upgrade the merc to maxed, and boss 1 rush will be nothing
@@fungaragun8065 Mercs dps is just bad and in my opinion it's pretty much useless since avi was nerfed. Every merc player I've seen has had the most awful eco because they try to rush level 4 and max which are overpriced since his nerf. Even solider gets more value then merc and hes way more efficient for the price.
mehhh Tuber eazly outclassed Mortar in shorter maps by shit tons IF only used with Commander, even better +DJ. Tuber should've putted in B-Tier with no support while top 3 A Tier with support since its really good in shorter maps until void comes
Tweeter is actually pretty good for beginners, since its last upgrade doesnt cost too much, all tweeters on map (if placed right) can shoot any zombies, and having 250 DpS for a begginer isnt so bad (i think)
Agree! Same thing with zed. Ppl are so attracted by the fact that they’re one of the best late game towers that they forget mid game is about cost effective towers and not the most expensive ones
@helloth431absolutely yes. Shotgunner is very cost effective as it only costs 300, and deals 4 base dmg and 2 dmg splash in a small area which is very op for that cost. Enforcer is less cost effective, but I would say the one thing it has better than shotgun is it stun, which requires adequate farming to get.
"Overshadowed by Gold Commando" Isn't every tower overshadowed by it??
Its literally the tower but just purely more damage
About marksman, Yeah we can all agree it has a slow firerate but darn, The damage is relatively high considering it's somewhat of an early tower, Later upgrades allows it to solo boss1 (you can do it faster with two marksman).
And again, With the further upgrades.. I even managed to stop a hidden boss rush solo with just 2 lvl 4 marksman, That explains how good it is.
And about mercenary, considering how nerfed it is, it cant even kill a single hidden boss nowadays. Felt disappointed with buying mercenary for my friend.
Adding to this comment, when I'm in 1v1's, using the loadout of Marksman, DJ, Commander, Farm, and Zed (incase of late game) you can beat the notorious boss 1 spam using 4 level (2) marksmen. They can spam an insane amount of boss 1's and you can still beat it. Of course you need to place commander and possibly DJ for the best percentage of survival, but you can survive more than 20 bosses spammed at you. I tested it.
@@iamhappyioCan I have the strategy?
@@iamhappyio As an old user of marksman I can tell that using level 3 marksman is better against Boss 1's since it has greater dps for the cost (level 2 marksman has 2 dps for 1050 dolars while level 3 marksman has 7 dps for 1890 dollars).
Marksman can almost kill void in a solo match, if it is Co-Op it can kill the void, so I will make the marksman to be atleast further than the soldier
Rail gunner it really OP and kills void faster than phazers if played right, ofcourse the cons of no hidden so it needs to have that little bit of hidden detection, and cant play much with it if there is no cliffs
bro a maxed mercenary is better than a maxed marksman it littery has 20 dps with more range and firerate is higher than commando lvl 1
0:00 INTRO
0:10
36: Scout | D - Tier
0:27
35: Patrionneer | D - Tier
0:46
34: Shotgunner | C - Tier
1:04
33: Tweeter | C - Tier
1:21
32: Sniper | C - Tier
1:38
31: Cryo-Gunner | C - Tier
1:55
30: SnowBaller | C - Tier
2:11
29: Aviator | C - Tier
2:27
28: Tuber | C - Tier
2:46
27: Scarecrow | C - Tier
3:03
26: Barracks | B - Tier
3:21
25: Golden Scout | B - Tier
3:38
24: Markman | B - Tier
3:56
23: Plasma Trooper | B - Tier
4:14
22: Elf | B - Tier
4:31
21: Fragger | B - Tier
4:49
20: Patrol | B - Tier
5:07
19: Sleeter | B - Tier
5:25
18: Hallowboomer | B - Tier
5:43
17: Anarchirst | B - Tier
6:00
16: Enforcer | B - Tier
6:18
15: Commando | B - Tier
6:35
14: Harpoon Hunter | B - Tier
6:53
13: Mercenary | B - Tier
7:11
12: Soldier | B - Tier
7:29
11: Railgunner | A - Tier
7:47
10: ZED | A - Tier
8:04
9: Mortar | A - Tier
8:22
8: Graveyard | A - Tier
8:40
7: Flamethrower | A - Tier
8:58
6: DJ | S - Tier
9:16
5: Phaser | S - Tier
9:34
4: Huntsman | S - Tier
9:52
3: Golden Commando | S - Tier
10:09
2: Commander | S - Tier
10:25
now the moment you’ve been waiting for…
10:33
1: YOU | S - Tier
Jk
10:47
1: Farm | S - Tier
11:05 OUTRO
Damn I respect the commitment, I would pin this but I think it might ruin the anticipation :0
@@KenuYTBU forgot Flame
bro why is shotgunner so low lmao
uhhh you are missing the monkey and the sleeping soldier
Resting'
both are joke towers, theyre useless
monkey might have a use for alerting enemies near base and stuff, but monkey is still useless
@@noctis_fella he was joking my guy
@@tuna5226 if he was then i guess so, but if he was fr then id keep my comment
And the archer, knifer, stunner, red scout and sniper but red
bro it's soo rare to find a tower battles player in 2022
Somthing I recommend is combining DJ, Comander and Railgunner allowing it to be twice as fast as normal and you can get a permit power boost of 65% and a temp power boost of 115% combined that with merc so that it can fire just as fast if not faster then endgame comando. Perfect for hiddens, large enemies and a real damage dealer for wave 20 spams.
No shit sherlock, that's why they are support towers.
I found this tierlist pretty weird..
First of all, Planet confirmed that Harpoon Hunter slows void.. It got its dmg buffed so its more useful but then again the entire slowing effect got nerfed.
Soldier is extremely underrated and im glad to see it higher than expected, really good PvP tower.
I like the golden scout way more than golden commando, its pretty solid for early boss 1s.
Really solid editing and the tierlist was pretty accurate at the most part, golden commando is a good tower but it sucks on small maps on PvP since you get rushed often
Thank you so much for the editing compliment! I really tried outdoing my last tier list video, as for harpoon yea I intended for it to be C tier but when I asked for comments on it people buffed it to B tier and I went with it but now I def see it deserves its spot and ngl that is a true con for gc..
even on midnight you can't defend a b2r stacked with a hbr with gc....it just sucks when it is not maxed
@@kbflatt8295 Gc isn't good for spam, it's excellent at annilihating single target but if you're dealing with br then splash dmg towers like mortar or multi target like plasma would be miles better
It’s honestly pretty sad to see now nobody realizes how insane shotgunner is at generally everything. It is I’m pretty sure the cheapest way to defend wave 1-8, needing only 2-3 of them for this, doing this also let’s you get insane eco, 2 level 4 farms at wave 7, and the tower itself isn’t half bad, being a great boss1 rush counter if you have other towers with it.
I got it on my old and it thought
“ this has no right to be this good“
Glad to see someone else sees the potential as well! I think the issue is people don’t use it correctly. Shotgunners should be spammed without upgrades since the lvl 2 upgrade costs the same price but only gives range upgrades, but most people upgrade anyway because there’s some misconception that upgrading is always “better”, when the math shows it isn’t always the case.
@@Adventurer-te8fl the truth!
Mortar does 1-8 too, but its map dependent, its the same for shotgun, you might even need 4 if unlucky
Shotgunner: I'm beating everything!!!
When hidden waves come: ...........
It’s okay, but I feel like there’s some crazy placements, like putting marksman so low
Tubber back in 2020 was S tier top 1. You could've won 1v1 so easy with Farm, Tubber, Commando. and DJ, It destroyed Boss 3 and Boss 4, also the Necromancers.
It seems to me that it is not necessary to look at how much damage the tower has, but how profitable upg, Gc, for example, for his money only at the last level he is profitable, but for example, mercenary, has a profitable upg at almost every level, it's a pity he was fixed, he was good for a beginners
Did Kenu completely forgot max Tweeter shares range with other Tweeters?
Also I feel like "Overshadowed by GC" isn't a good excuse since GC is an abomination but that's just me.
I accidentally opened the video file whilst editing so I lost progress, pretty sure I added that to it but unfortunately idek what I fine tuned when I lost it so rip
True GC is, just kinda used it as a reasoning as to why the tower is not higher ranked than what it is even tho it is better than the towers around it to show that it would be higher if gc did not exit y'know? def get your point tho
In my opinion poopi is the best it is the best tower it takes a lot of space because it will kill void ;)
Mortar is back again..
Also good vid
:D ty
I feel like a con for the commander is the range
Where monkey,sleeping soldier,scarecrow,poopi and hallowboomer
5:30 2:48 poopi and monkey didnt exist when this video came out he cant predict the future you baboon
Unless this was changed in the recent update, Harpoon can also slow Void, not just Sleeter.
I think you''re right oops ^_^
A lot more agreeable than the last tier list i saw from you, even though some bad data made some ranks a bit out if place (harpoon hunter can slow down void AND endbringers, kinda op ngl and anarchist is incredibly strong when microed)
Well in the end, it’s your opinion but i have some tips if you do make another one of these videos:
You should try playing on a new account for a while to give yourself the perspective of a player that has just started, i’ve done this myself and my ranking of fragger and tweeter has gone wayyyy up.
Try using every tower a bit before ranking them to refresh your thoughts about them.
And finally try asking people about their opinions so that your personal preferences don’t cloud your judgment.
Valid points I agree on all of them, due to a lack of experience on the changes I did in fact ask for opinions and this ended up as the result tho if I could rn I would place shotgunner higher as for others I still believe they are atleast in the right tier and yea reason anarchist is not S tier is as stated at the start it includes Survival and Versus in decision making so unfortunately that's why some dropped due to only favoring one side
@@KenuYTB btw you forgot about commando
3:04 I can hear a gorilla man with a paintballer mask screaming "TWO BARRACKS?? WHAT THE HELL ONLY TWO?? YOOO ONLY TWO!!!"
0:17 Why is it louder than wubbzy...
i thought that plasma was way better than fragger considering the price but anyway great video!!
I honestly agreed with you with most of the towers you put
this tierlist is frankly trash can you remake it, the quality of editing is W but like the rankings make no sense
this tierlist is really meh considering how marksman, shotgunner, enforcer, plasma and gs are put lower than mercenary... marks and gs are much more cost efficient and also have a significantly higher DPS at max
-GS may have expensive HD but it's always used with plasma (and plasma is used in almost every single meta loadout), and even without plasma it's able to solo DEV waves 1-39 consistently (yes its bad Eco if you get a Level 4 GS early but it doesn't matter because no one can send against you in survival)
-Marksman also struggles with overkill but just bring some crowd control (you should always be bringing crowd control anyway), even in survival it's still great as he can solo carry waves 1-13 in a duo
-shotgunner seems underwhelming but it defends b1r and you can get double orchard at wave 7, and if youre really good, you can get 8 orchards at wave 14 it's one of the best towers for getting eco, funny enough he can be used in DEV (not recommended) even with no HD, he doesnt deserve a C even if he's not great for survival
-enforcer is also able to get wave 7 double orchard and it counters b1r, b2r, and mar, its used by most tb pro
-also why Plasma is so low it counters b1r, b2r, b3r, b4r, and could counter nbr depending on the map, its easily an S class tower...
anyways sorry for essay 🤓
Basically all towers weakness (Mostly my experience/opinion. If you disagree - it's fine):
Scout: Lacking from Mid-Game (Wave 12) + Expensive Hidden Detection. (In my opinion - bad for a Starter tower.)
Fragger: Lacking from Wave 17
Sniper: Necromancer is his arch-nemesis.
Shotgunner: No Hidden Detection
Cryo Gunner: Weak on his own.
Soldier: Lacking Late-Game
Tuber: Levels 1-3 sucks hard. Only good starting from level 4 (RPG), full potential only at level 5 (High Tech Microwave)
Mortar: Cliff placements (Very limited in numbers sometimes)
Farm: Overfarming (sometimes) + deals no damage (lol obvioisly)
Patrol: Spawn time + useless on Level 1.
Enforcer: Lacking Late-Game
Aviator: Flies in Circles (limited amount of max enemy hits)
Pyromancer: Weak on his own (starting from Wave 17)
Marksman: Overkills HARDLY on level 5.
Commander: Weak on his own.
Commando: Expensive + Levels 1-4 suck HARDLY. (If not in large numbers + Commander & DJ buffed)
Anarchist: Sucks HARDLY unless Versus.
DJ: Useless on his own.
Railgunner: Expensive, No Hidden Detection, Overkills A LOT.
Phaser: His main weakness is enemy hordes (he locks onto one target)
Plasma Trooper: Lacking Late-Game (Wave 31 or earlier)
Zombie Extermination Device (aka. Zed): Expensive + Limited in numbers.
Golden Scout: 150 Wins required + Expensive max level.
Golden Commando: Requires 250 wins to get and be rich like at least Elon Musk to upgrade.
Huntsman: Only few people have him.
Scarecrow: Useless starting from Wave 5
Resting Soldier: Waste of tower slot.
Elf: Laking Mid-Game (Starting from like Wave 22 or earlier)
Graveyard: Useless unless level 5 with spawnable 10k hp Jack + placement limit.
Sleeter: Better than Cryo Gunner, but still, lacking kinda badly from Wave 17.
Harpoon Hunter: Cliff placements + Lacking Late-Game (Wave 31-35+)
Please, tell me if I missed someone. (I will only ask to be respectful, because myself I only have like... not a lot wins, I might miss something)
Fun fact: did you know boss 4 uses the same death sound as the tank in left 4 dead 1 and 2.
did you know that santa bots theme originates from portal
did you know king jack theme is from payday2 just slowed down
@@MilitaryGuy1v5tBOSNIANARMY I haven’t played payday 2 in a while so that’s cool
commander’s cons are that you need to do stuff with the abilities
on scout you put 'nothing else' in pros so that's kinda funny lol
idk just typing facts :P
Here's a mortar con : extremely laggy when you have lots of them lvl 5
u forgot something about commander
1. when u use call to arms u can't use airstrike or using airstrike blocks call to arms thats the worst thing for the commander
You should had add to commander cons *no increase range in any upgrades*
This tier list might have been made by a random considering that shotgunner and enforcer have the best eco/eg in game allowing a player to get enough farms to grant them 9k per wave at wave 17 in a 1v1 and putting barracks to high when it lacks damage on any map below 200 studs. and saying that enforcer is reliant on turns was proven wrong when someone soloed dev using enforcer. And as of patrol....hmmmm this tower and commando are easily out classed by avi. Avi also has a spot on every map besides Dead end Valley. If you have a money problem late game and you can't afford 5 max Avis wave 32 then just greed more. And as of right now scarecrow is broken and just makes enemies moon walk. Saying that merc was better than marksman in pvp is also wrong. Merc can not Defeat a b2r on any map under 190 studs. where as marksman can do it on any map above 140 studs. And saying Gc is the best damage dealer in the game is wrong...Because of lag phaser out classes it easily. Gc's dps can drop to about 100 in vs when a player gets Necro boss rushed. Where as phaser is less affected by lag and maintains a higher dps. And mortar is easily out classed by 5 stacked Zeds with the CTA bug. Also grave yard it should never be used for early.
exactly lol why is he doing this list though he doesnt have any experience with the tower buffs and nerfs
theres a thing for events towers are no longer allowed to get it and you need to get wins for golden towers (golden scout 100 wins and golden commando 250 )
Damn i bought railgunner in last update and now it got nerfed should have bought phaser instead
rail is still solid for survival
Rail is really good for taking out boss 2 and Its a good spammable mid - entering late game tower if you have cliff space. Phaser is mainly for direct tank killing while rail is a bit more versatile. also if you like pvp rail is a lot better than phaser trust me
@@mrd133y8 rail is unreliable for pvp though as it has to be placed on cliffs
@@p2p_p3p From what i've seen, most maps have enough cliff space to put atleast 4 railgunners down which usually is enough to deal with most rushes due to the range. It's only unreliable if you plan on having railgunner take over end game dps which is a bad idea.
I think rail is still good. I carried co op yesterday with rails (altho I did have max gc down, they get stun a lot from void)
Zed is so good at countering hidden boss it can’t even shoot them! Lol!
So true lol
Kenu would you have lowered Elfs placement if Elf didnt have any upgrades or kept it at the same spot you put it in?
Good question, that's actually hard to answer imo although I'd say maybe a ranking or three lower I'd still say it stays in the B tier category even tho the upgrade prices were buffed
ah alr! Thanks for answer and thanks for uploading :) Have a great day.
Aviator used to be so good then gets nerfed to the ground
upgrades are $$$$!
Really? That's interesting thanks for the info. Started playing again after years and a lot changed
that ending made me happy S2
WE ARE DOING DAMAGE WITH FARMS WITH THAT VIDEO 🗣️🗣️🗣️
commando no face reveal 💀💀💀
big problem you forgot to talk about the commander is that its range is really small, so you have to spam commanders all across the map just to chain commander ability
I alway waiting for this
Cant belive ive been put to F tier :(
Shotgunner is on A/S Tier for pvp
Nice Video :D
ty :D
Nice vid! Most of these I agree with, but I kinda think Shotgunner should be somewhere around B tier.
To add-on to the pros list: Spammable with high dps ($300 for a 4 dmg small splash tower is kinda op), counters large early game sends and anarchist androids, can cripple boss1 sends when enough is spammed, in a 3v3 match u can solo defend from wave 1-8 with the other 2 farming which is a good boost for ur teammates.
And to add-on to cons: Hiddens and early boss1s, upgrades aren’t as cost effective as the base tower.
Ty and Understandable I’ve been hearing shorty should be higher alot
Thanks for this
np
Another con for Tweeter is that it has no HD.
mortar is an s tier tower for both pvp and survival lol in pvp for some reason if u spam alot of mortars it lags the game alot making literally every tower low firerate in their team
Great video
hold on, wheres the doctor tower?
@Cadet i remember wayyyyyyyyyy back, the doctor tower exist, strange
@The Panda ok, i accept that burn
commander's con is limited range and his only act as a support a.k.a not a main damage dealer
i will never be able to comprehend how someone could make such a fun but also unique and cool game
Inspiration :0
Graveyard zed A phazer dj hunstman S??? Are you kidding me?
how the fuck is tweeter higher than shotgunnner
i dont think being over shadowed by a tower u will get after 300 hours of straight pvp is a con
i think golden scout deserves a tier because it does good in early and mid game and using a commander and dj with it makes it op by destroying stuff at lv5
what is macro-able (i probably dont understand because i’m french 😭)
It means u can wait until the spawnable hits the enemy and then sell and rebuy and upgrade it so that you can get a new lets say lev 5 zed instantly
You forgot about the infinite range on Tweeter, this list is pretty outdated in general
I will disagree with phaser. I think tower much more flaws. Cooldown on every kill is a big problem. On those peroid commando will do more dps. In survival it only has usage at last wave. So extremely situational,. In pvp it is useless. People spam zombies which will keep phaser distracted. I seen people use phaser in pvp and they ended up losing because I spammed boss 3. So I'd say phaser is bad tower.
I kinda disagree Phaser is A-Class since you can use it as Boss2 Killer or Hidden Boss early. And without Phaser maps under 200 length will be Impossible solo without GC and 160 under with GC
also Events exist
your not playing with only phaser if you play versus your gonna have other damage towers to kill extra zombies
@@kokichiouma4267 it will only be in cooldown loop. On those periods even commando would done more dps than phaser.
Plasma does actually, the lamas get destroyed by a level 4 and railgun can't hit hiddens [con]
ofc "you" is the best bcus if "you" didnt play tb ANY tower cant be use thus making "you" the strongest tower
WHOS BETTER MARKSMAN OR PLASMA?
You know what i dislike about this game and other tower defense games?
Is that sometimes if not most of the time the towers start at level 1 when they should start at level 0
So technically you are only actually getting 4 upgrades.
At first I saw it as weird to have Lev 0 but I think either system is fine it does get confusing tho ngl
@@KenuYTB Yeah.
I say rail gunner is like the first tower in the S tier so like “S tier: rail gunner and others”
If rail was a ground tower it would def be S tier imo
Avaitor lvl 1 cost 600 so its now decent or cheap its expensive for lvl 1
yea it really did not deserve the nerf imo it was fine as is
@@KenuYTB yea its my favorite tower but now its nerfed but still feel good at me
The best team
Farm
i would move soldier to A tier with how efficient they are, whether its spamming 3 lvl 1s early or lvl 4 and 5 upgrades. golden commando i would put at c because you really need a good economy to make them useful endgame and 5000 credits to place your first doesnt really sell it for me
why did you put gs a b tier below marksman… lol? I don’t think you’ve even used gs when its buffed make it an a tier.
Gc isn’t that bad for small maps, I mean it’s needed to solo/duo small maps like dead end valley, grassland, Mars, and all the other like maps with under 200 track length.
Hello everyone have great night/day
you too :D
@@KenuYTB thanks :D
@@KenuYTB nice 1 place btw but i liked video
you too
@@matikoos416 thanks
is this still accurate for right now?
Well it’s just my opinion so not everything is factual but I still agree with most of it besides shotgunner which should be a bit higher
@@KenuYTB alright. what towers do you recommend for beginners? i only have the code towers, fragger, shotgunner and patrol right now
you forgot lazy soldier
Honestly merc should be way lower and is outclassed by almost everything for early game. Merc is so prone to boss 1 rush its not even funny.
fair
actually nah
merc can deal with boss 1 rush if you use it correctly
I mean, just sell some of your farm and upgrade the merc to maxed, and boss 1 rush will be nothing
@@fungaragun8065 Mercs dps is just bad and in my opinion it's pretty much useless since avi was nerfed. Every merc player I've seen has had the most awful eco because they try to rush level 4 and max which are overpriced since his nerf. Even solider gets more value then merc and hes way more efficient for the price.
@@horusdaog uh
what you talking
avi got price nerf yeah sure
but we're talking merc I suppose
also everyone use it bad don't mean it is bad
@@fungaragun8065 I mean that merc was busted when it was played with avi a little while ago. Perfect win farming strategy for 1v1.
mehhh Tuber eazly outclassed Mortar in shorter maps by shit tons IF only used with Commander, even better +DJ. Tuber should've putted in B-Tier with no support while top 3 A Tier with support since its really good in shorter maps until void comes
commando b tier? zed A tier?
@handleislolwho much scout we need to kill void 1000?
@handleislol 🗿🗿
im my opinion, the patrioteer is dead last, terrible firerate, no upgrades, and bad damage
Your mother is overshadowed by golden commando
With my lineup i use zed + railgunner and it works great
Anarchist can be more put but no give effecta
Tweeter is actually pretty good for beginners, since its last upgrade doesnt cost too much, all tweeters on map (if placed right) can shoot any zombies, and having 250 DpS for a begginer isnt so bad (i think)
Like i meant all tweeters can hit one zombie and 25 towers having 10 dps hitting one zombie isnt so bad
Ye, I think tweeter can actually be a good spamming tower because it’s base is a level 3 scout but cheaper
Pretty much the best starter tower (by that i mean scout, frager, sniper, shotgunner, patrioteer and tweeter)
Pls someone tell me which to buy first and is recommended when i get 800 credits
save up for mortar or mercenary
Wait how to get huntsman???
nice
im absolutely disgusted that you didnt put monke or resting soldier in S tier... im disliking and and leaving a bad review!!!
S tier? pffftt you think I'd put them that low? they are in SSS+ tier. Figured everyone knew that so I did not bother adding them
@@KenuYTB Nah they deserve GOD TIER
Sleeter effect is only visual only tower that affects void is harpoon, also not a good tierlist to be honest
Zed is equal to golden commando, put 6 golden commandos boosted by CTA and 5 zeds boosted by CTA and you will find them to have equal dps
Hard to say since zed is unpredictable
well its IN Theory ZED is equal but in real practice you know what I mean
Man shotgunner bad? Ever heard of building around a tower
Bud scarecrow ain't better than tuber 💀
Golden commando is overrated
Its bad unless max
It will die mid game to slimes
Marksman is good mid game
Agree! Same thing with zed. Ppl are so attracted by the fact that they’re one of the best late game towers that they forget mid game is about cost effective towers and not the most expensive ones
level 4
Harpoon can slow void
FaRm Is ThE wOrSt ToWeR iN tHe GaMe It CrEaTeD oVeR aNd UnDeR fArMiNg
a sad fact is this tierlist will always be right, the game in abanonded
its not even right tho 😭
and phaser doesnt exist
Where is snowball man😆
Enforcer is worse than shotgunner
@cadet3149 enforcer deals 3 single target while the shotgunner has bigger range, deals 4 single target and 2 damage in the area.
@helloth431absolutely yes. Shotgunner is very cost effective as it only costs 300, and deals 4 base dmg and 2 dmg splash in a small area which is very op for that cost. Enforcer is less cost effective, but I would say the one thing it has better than shotgun is it stun, which requires adequate farming to get.
plane at 29??!!?!?!?
bro ranked snowballer higher than shotty
Do you play minecraft?
yes
@@KenuYTB Ok
O think Mercury>soldier