EDITING ERROR: The titlecard before Chenle should say "Tier 6", not "Tier 5". NCT script (video and photo links included): docs.google.com/document/d/1q9uwYhYesiDiqn1DOpxDy0kIbJEz_lRI86sUYi4MTFE/edit?usp=sharing Dance Rankings compiled: docs.google.com/document/d/1vB1FAQ3VOTWon4AHdPAhsfox1awYoSdUnCPZ-nsU4Nk/edit?usp=sharing
@@huangmaobaimao I have already seen it. The reason it isn't included is because I edited his section before the Birthday dance practice came out. I hope people take a moment to appreciate that Ten still has a good rank. The reason he is 4th is not that he is bad, but that the top 3 are just that good. This goes for all the members down the line.
The fact that Taeyong did not know anything about dance and had to learn from scratch...its impressive that he is one of the best Nct dancers and he has great stage precence .
@@aenning yeah and not only did he learn how to dance but he also has this Natural charisma on stage and add his own style to both his dance and raps which makes him stand out
haechan and shotaro's dancing are my favorite. so satisfying and hits the beat. they are light and fluid and have good balance and detail. special shoutout to jisung and his footwork ofc
Haechan Is really talented, and honestly I watch his fancam because it is satisfying I don't like dancer who put to much force, haechan makes it easy but when you try to dance it, it's so hard. mostly from who I know if they want to learn the choreography they go for haechan fancam because they said he give accurate dance and technique. I am just so proud of him, he is the main vocalist but he is on top 5..
@@wg221-33 I love the way Ten has evolved with his vocals. He's improved so much its crazy. He went from being a sub vocal to main in a couple years + main dancer? He's amazing
@@hunnyhae I'm just telling you that he is not the highest main vocalist ranked here. So if you want to praise him no problem but use the good term or you will confuse others.
Facts. I’ve been watching Ten’s solos for quite some time. Ten is undeniably the best dancers in nct and rank in the top 10 among all idol dancers in kpop and that’s a fact.
@@xzrcy3579 i think its not right when we say whose better than another,bcs not every dance that Ten did,shotaro can follow.. like birthday.. the song was made for ten. I think no one can copy every detail movements,expressions,energy and feels that ten gave in that birthday dance practice. Everything was so beautiful.. if the standard is accurancy in moves,etc i dont think we can say that is the best.. i am agree when ten said that he delivered his feels through dances. He just not moves his body but u can feel his feelings through his dance and thats why i choosed him as my bias.. if u dont believe it,u can search some of his magical dances such as lovely, only one with boa,devils in hit the stage. Hes really the best performer in NCT no one can deny it! :)
Haechan is literally a main dancer i found his dance so smooth and satisfying 💚 he deserves to be in top 5 SM should now give him a main dancer position 🐻
mark tends to be overlooked espeically for outsiders and people who dont know dance. few years ago i had only but a very superficial understanding of dancing and mark didnt really stand out to me but after professional dance training and gaining much more insight/experience i could finally see what was so fascinating and impressive about his dance and why he rightfully deserves his placement (in the open style category). his groove and style is simply nuts. stage presence has also had a really big breakthrough in recent comebacks imo.
Similar to me! I didn't get Mark's dancing at all when I was only doing ballet. It was only once I started house and hip-hop that I appreciated his technique. I agree that Ten, Jisung, and Mark are pretty much interchangeable. I have 3 videos/shorts on this channel which include the three, and each time I've ranked them in a different order. 😂
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives it's funny how you just started dancing hip-hop but u deemed urself good enough to put these idols on tiers as if you have the authority.🙄 And the way you critiqued Ten's style tells me how you don't really understand what it means to integrate different elements from different genres to create a new style. Dance like all arts isn't fixed, it's ever evolving and those who only know how to follow set of rules or peoples standard and preferences will end up rigid and will not create something new. Master had always broken some rules to create new beautiful stuff. That's how it has always been. Ten is a master who found his color. All of NCT members have their own color but Ten is so well integrated he's like a rainbow 🌈.
@@arien_000I don't get the hate on op, as you have said, dance isn't fix so op can have her own standards as you have with yours. if you don't agree, then you can make your own video analyzing ten's dance. imo, op did great in objectively presenting the differences in their dances and she's clearly knowledgeable and knows what she's talking about.
@@nominstory sure. For you she has done well. For me she was terrible. For you this maybe some sort of a labor of love. For me it looks like a labor of inflated ego and ignorance. Just cuz the world is mostly democratic, doesn't mean everyone's opinion has the same weight. If you're fine having someone who is practically a beginner, lecture you then go ahead. I prefer to listen to people with real authority in the area. A few research here and there and some people are already impressed with themselves and think they are good enough to make a critical analysis worthy of people's time. It's like listening to a lecture on law from a law student whose only source is his books vs a real lawyer who has been seasoned by time and his experiences with several cases and lawyers.
Love the Mark appreciation he’s literally so good but his dancing is not really talked about because he’s such an amazing rapper but he’s for sure an ace. Also, I agree that in lemonade he for sure shined the best I couldn’t take my eyes off him. Love everything you said and how detailed your analysis is!
Haechan oh my god they really were not kidding when they labeled Haechan as "best dancer among vocalists and best vocalists among dancers". Every comeback I just find myself focusing on him especially with dance practices and individual fancams, like im not a dancer myself but i know for a fact that there choreos are very difficult but watching him doesn't make it feel that way. He looks so light on his feet and very graceful with his movements. And all those angles you pointed, he always had the best body lines amongst all of them when dancing and his crazyyy footworks and his hips!! His hips never lie like there are certain nct choreos that focus on the shoulders but he always tries to include his hips which is so pleasing to the eye. And recently the 2baddies dance practice, in the 2nd chorus, he's the only one really popping off his chest and it makes it look so soo good. Thank you for putting light into his name because personally I really think he should be one of the main dancers. But if not, he is indeed higher than all of those leads. Buttt this whole video, thank you so much for putting so much time into making this and doing your research. Personally, I think Ten deserves #2 especially up to now with his Birthday choreography.
Ten is also a vocalist and a dancer tho, I agree with the vocalist and dancers but not with the dancer and vocalist Edit: W8 nvm, Jungwoo is also a lead dancer so haechan isn't the best vocalist among the dancers either lol Still a clear No 2 (3 if Jaehyun is also a lead dancer lol) for both ways is already huge
@@Oliver-uz1fs hey it's the netizens who branded him that, you can search for a lot of articles :)) also this is my Own Personal opinion, you could make your Own comment if you want.
@@Oliver-uz1fs HC is not main dancer for any subunit (lead dancer for 127, used to be lead dancer in Dream); so him a main vocalist being in the top 5 is pretty high even coming from me - a sunflower. I’ve always love Ten as a performer because like his name, he’s perfect ✨ especially because he’s not even a Korean and yet, he got several opportunities as solo artist. At least, SM learnt their lessons 😌
having seen most if not all of shotaro's pre/post-debut dance clips i will unbiasedly say he deserves #1. the isolations in his neck, chest, and hips are impeccable, the way he hits every beat with ease (it's so satisfying), he's such a fun dancer to watch, i can rewatch his dancing clips over and over and never get sick of them. he has power, fluidity, agility, etc. he makes me think how does a human body move like that? kpop stans like to say he has no versatility (which isn't true) it's just that he hasn't gotten the platform to show it yet. which is why i neeeeed mnet to do a hit the stage 2! anyway, i throughly enjoyed this video, entertaining while informative! you dont see all members nct rankings on here often so really appreciate the time and effort that went into this!
It's so exciting to watch Shotaro's individual expression grow on stage. I worry the training will change his personal style physically, way too many SM dancers are hunched over going all the way back to TVXQ.
you can really tell who the company trained from scratch and who came in with prior experience/experience in other styles!! taeyong and mark being the foremost examples of this
bro how is there so little mention to the creator of this vid??? as a ballet and contemp dancer i’ve always wanted to get into more hip hop styles so this video was really interesting
Thank you so much for this comment! Transitioning from ballet to house has been a very challenging process, but it’s also given me much more insight into dance as a whole. Good luck!
I just wanted to thank you for the UNGODLY amount of work you put in these videos every time. I'm a freelance dancer and I currently don't have a way to pay for dance classes or a dance school, so these videos almost work as a "free lesson" for me to help me think about and improve my dancing. It also helps because since I mainly dance to kpop I tend to think that they are these perfect dancing machines because I don't have the technique to point out the mistakes they make (because they are you know .. humans) and also hearing stories from someone like you who has received professional training but still struggles because well you never stop learning and improving! Sooo yes, thank you again, I hope you know that these videos are not only very entertaining but also inspiring to people like me :) lots of love ❤️
Omg the details explaination about haechan, you really got the point. He's truly amazing. Watching him dancing looks so relaxing, like that smooth moves. Omg, he's main dancer for sure
What you said at the end of Haechan's section was what I was thinking about, I think haechan would do awesomely in ballet and/or contemporary dance, he looks so elegant and fine
Regarding Renjun, I remember seeing a comment from a video a long time ago that said that if you wanted to learn the choreography, just look at Renjun since he executes every move with such precision, which I think describes him really well.
doyoung not last!!!! *oprah gif* also, it got me a bit emotional how clear the appreciation youve got for haechans dancing comes accross even if hes not ranked first (and pretty much everyone for that matter but hes got the longest section and it felt pretty hypnotizing to watch) youve got such a pretty way to highlight not only anyones particular strengths or attributes but also just their overall identity as performers and dancers, and the fact that you manage that with a 23 member group is a bit mindblowing ngl
I think the reason Heachan does not drop his hips too much are due to his ankle, knee and back injury which he suffered quite early on. He even missed concerts due to that. But it's good to see him get recognized 😌 🙌
Don't really follow boy groups but this was still a really interesting watch! Haechan has the most captivating dance style for me I think Interested to hear your thoughts on this new girl group Queenz Eye. They choreographed some of their choreos on their RUclips and one of their members, Wonchae, trained under WM for a long time, so I'm curious if she shares any dancing quirks with, say, Yuto or Chaeyeon
Skills are not something you are born with, but something you continue to hone through careful stretching and years of basic training, so im happy that Shotaro's skills have been recognized
Ngl the way people attack the ranking instead of the comments made make it really clear that if the same stuff was said for every member, but it was just ordered in terms of the members' age (an analysis rather than a ranking), people would have literally no problem with this because Ten and Taeyong were still both praised a lot. It's so obvious people are so hung up about the exact numerical rankings and aren't really here to listen. If they actually watched the video instead of skipping through each ranking they would see that literally every member in the top ten is praised quite a lot. Another thing is that people seem to think Ten or Taeyong being ranked below others is an insult to their skills, when in fact it's more of a compliment to NCT as a whole that there are so many good dancers in there. Also, just because this ranking says something different to your opinion does not mean you have to change your opinion. If you don't think Ten or Taeyong or anyone should be placed where they are, that's completely fine. Make your own ranking video with your own, valid, reasoning. Write your own comment with your own, valid, reasoning in your own words, not the words of some other person. No need to insult the person behind this video and drag them for having a difference in opinion.
Sorry, but WayV's justifications in the video don't make sense to me. Actually, I do think the author didn't do a proper research at WayV's part. Besides that, the rest seems accurate
Criticizing and disagreeing isn't synonymous to attacking. You only feel attacked cuz you're probably the type who easily crumbles under criticisms. I guess what you're really want to say is "Please let the creator be biased and let those who agree to this ranking (cuz it validates their opinions) enjoy their delusions". Any NCT dance ranking that doesn't recognize Ten is number 1 is obviously a joke. Even if you ask the members (including Shotaro) and have a panel of real pros and experts thoroughly compare all their best dance performances, it's undeniable. And there are plenty of dancers and choreographer reactors on YT (including Japanese) you could check out and they will surely say it's Ten (at least for those who have seen all the members dance). And unlike this creator those reactors actually show their faces so they're more reliable😅 Oh well, you're also free to live in denial.
I don't know anything about dancing so it's good to learn with your videos, I'm not a nctzen but I really like ten's dance, personally he would be my number 1. thanks for your hard work.
watching this as a non-dancer is fun because i already noticed most of this intuitively, but didn't have the words to describe it-- so when you explain why someone looks awkward doing a certain move, i'm like OH of course! lol
Thank you so much! This is a great video! Haechan's dancing is so good! He has this smoothness and natural flow. Great facial expressions. He knows when and where to use his energy. Haechan doesn’t overdo dance moves and that's how he looks so effortless dancing. I'm so confused why he's not a lead dancer in NCT Dream anymore...
i guess because of the over dependence on him as a main vocalist in dream? just looking at last year itself and hot sauce (their 1st full album) there are some songs in there that are just REALLY hard to sing, compared to the relatively easier songs they released prior to 2021 in their minis. So I guess they need him more as a main vocalist now than they ever have before
@@Tedybearrara HAECHAN IS BETTER THAN THE NCT DREAM MAIN DANCER BECAUSE OF RATING ?? WHAT RATING?? SALES ?? IS THAT HOW MAIN DANCER SHOUD BE IDENTIFIED? LOL
Tbh I don't think dance position is matter anymore in Dream lol. If anything he leads more dance break or become center chorus more than Renjun who is one of the official lead
Great video as always. I’ve been into NCT Dream lately & one of the main reasons is because of how captivating I find them as dancers and performers. Mark and Jisung are so different in style but both equally fun to watch. I had noticed Jisung looks down a lot but hadn’t really thought about it in the way you do and it now makes sense to me how he remains captivating despite not making eye contact like a lot of charismatic idols do. Kudos to their vocal line as well-like you said, NCT seems to have a strong distinction between vocalists and dancers but Dream’s vocalists bridge that gap pretty well.
Honestly, even if I don’t entirely agree with the ranking, I’m grateful for the intense analysis you put into the ranking. It’s clear you did a lot of research, so thank you for posting this because I’ve been waiting for a comprehensive dance ranking. ❤
Jaehyun's inconsistency reminds me of idols like ryujin, winter and Jennie where they either have really great fancams one day but the next underextend their movements, shortcut them and don't try as much. And I don't think it has much relation to live singing either, some idols are just like that even if at their best, they are pretty good dancers.
@@Amaralivilava I'm not comparing their dance skills, I'm comparing the nature of their inconsistencies. And Jennie has good body locks, fluidity, isolations and sense of shape when she's at her best, her problem with inconsistentcy is far worse than the other 3 mentioned but at her best, she can showcase some good skills which unfortunately get overshadowed by the fact that she doesn't try nearly as hard like 70% of the time
My renjun deserves the love, his really good dancer though, Taeyong also is one of my favorites dancer in kpop add up to his charisma, his really born to be an idol I really hypnotized the way he perform on stage ily
I'm so glad you paid attention to Jeno and pointed out what actually makes him stand out as a performer. Since I've been an NCTzen, nobody has really given him the credit and praise he deserves for being one of the top performers in the brand. Like they do acknowledge that he's a good dancer but never really mentioned any quality (at all) that made them think that way. I've witnessed a lot people saying he's only a good dancer "just because" he's putting more power and has more energy than the others. Some even go as far as saying he's just overdancing to make it look like he's good. Although he's become one of the most biased members these recent years, I can't help but notice he's still one of the underappreciated ones :( Btw I thought he'd be around 8/9 based on your hints but I'm glad you also took time to watch his Villain performance!
he is indeed underappreciated, it’s either people too focusing on his visuals or they dont focus at him at all when he’s such a good dancer and performer. they prefer to focus on his mistake more (that he only did once a blue moon) and label him bad dancer when other members also do lots of mistakes 🤷🏻♀️
Thanks! And yeah, I’ve noticed that with energetic performers, people tend to start and stop with a very lukewarm “so-and-so is a powerful dancer”. (I’m admittedly guilty of doing this is the past.) Power tends not to be addressed as another useful quality to expand your range of expression, but rather as something you put on top of technique. I don’t like this perspective because it dismissed the technique needed to create power, as well as the ways in which power can be an artistic choice.
@@jenlee836 He is indeed doesn't have much fluidity compared to someone like Renjun or Haechan but I've seen people call him stiff dancer and only overdancing like ??? I do agree that some movement is better if he adds some fluidity but it is not something that he must to do if it means he needs to sacrifice his own style. And the fact that I could name more NCT dancers who is more stiff than him but never labeled as one lol
haechan did take part in choreographing his little solo dance during love sign i think he knows what his strengths in dance is and he fully utilized that in his solo dance part
I agree with the list. Not surprised by shotaro, he is a professional dancer, before being an idol. So happy people are seeing how great Haechan is as a performer. Dreamies are all great performers
For the Krumping part: groove is a very important aspect of krump, and there is a specific groove that you learn, which is a lot less relaxed than hip hop or house grooves. As for Taeyong, I'm almost sure that the reason he developed so much tension is due to his back injury during his trainee day's (and looking at the neck tension when he dances makes me feel bad for him). He hasn't developed the underlying strength to fall back onto, so he overcompensates with the tension to keep everything in place. If he releases, he would probably be in more pain as those wrongly activated muscles are all he can rely on. It's one of the draw backs for SM's recent training style imo, where the unique quirks get favored over foundation. The only solution would be to relearn some things fundamentally, and we all know that won't be happening. I'm glad you put Xiaojun and Jungwoo in those ranks, I often feel like fans rank them higher than they are based on their power or angles, without seeing the lacking underlying technique. Also nice that Taeil and Lucas aren't last as per their reputation lol, they do seem to have potential. Yuta has nice movement quality and a lot of style imo, this combination of strength and minimal movement feels so familiar from somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it. Him and Hendery are two prime examples of control based dancers, they won't groove to save their life but they do have a noticeable skillset. Whether that is neutral or bad is something popping dancers have been arguing about since the rise of dubstep music, but that's another topic. I never thought of Jeno as a groovy dancer, maybe I should pay some attention to that, nice video!
Thanks for that bit about krumping! Yes, that could explain his tension. I never thought of Jeno as a groovy dancer either, until the Villain practice. Then when I went back to watch is other stuff, I was like ohhh, okay.
Taeyong literally has the strongest core in all of NCT, and can do moves others can't. and he's the 2nd strongest neo. you saying 'he hasn't developed underlying strength' is utter bs bcs he has amazing core strength so..
as a non-dancer who loves choreo + analysis, this video is such a treat!!! other comments have perfectly explained my thoughts on how concise, thoughtful, and detailed each section is, im glad to see so much love for this video
please don’t listen to all the mad stans here who look like they only checked the ranking and didn’t listen to your analysis (because the only thing that counts for them is that their bias is better than the rest). your analysis, independently from your rankings, are the best i’ve seen in k-pop discussions (along with itorook), so keep going and don’t be discouraged/hurt by just obsessed people 💙
You explained perfectly why Jisung is the only male idol I can watch fancams of. I always feel uncomfortable seeing male idols, I get this vibe that they're trying to seduce me all the time (which is not a bad thing, its just not my thing) but Jisung always looks like he's just having the time of his life while dancing, he doesn't do it for the audience he does it for himself and I love it
I feel similarly about this with all of the NCT DREAM members. I feel like they’re just having fun executing the choreography and not going overboard or trying to be something they’re not. Their stage presence can be quite sweet, charismatic, engaging, occasionally sexy but mostly just fun and their fancams reflect this a lot. I’ve seen other boy group’s fancams and something about most of them or at least a good handful just feel a little contrived or disingenuous with their facial expressions. Just my thoughts anyway
Jisung in particular has a mischievous and cocky confidence that suits him a lot and meshes well with a lot of their choreographies especially Go and Hot Sauce
yes!!! im usually okay with maintaining eye contact but smth abt male idol fancams is often very uncomfortable..... sexy expressions are fine imo if they seem to come naturally to the performer, but like the other comments said, most idols make it feel so forced/overboard.. so seeing jisung use whatever expressions he's feeling in the moment has always felt rly sincere + refreshing to me i also really love how jisung sets boundaries in his performances.. if he isn't comfortable with a choreography move he adjusts it to fit himself and i really admire that. for example, he might omit or de-emphasize/desexualize hip thrusts, which ive always really respected since i know i wouldn't be comfortable performing similar dance moves. idk, i might be projecting, but it's very comforting to see him stick to what he wants to do, even if its subtle.. considering how many celebrities (in any industry, not just kpop) tend to muffle their discomfort bc of fan/media pressure, i think idols setting small changes like this are really important
Ohhhh it is glad to see Chenle in GMA dance practice is also included. Like when his solo dance break appears I was like I don't remember if anyone in Dream have this dancing styles and when I see the fancam my reaction immediately is THAT'S CHENLE?? like I know he is never in the worst tier for the whole NCT but like that just surprising me a lot since he either improved tremendously or just rarely showing his dancing potential he always has. This dancing ranking is such a fresh breath air compared to the usual nct dance ranking videos. I always think almost the entire of NCT Dream is undeserved to be put quite low considering how good they actually are.
That recent NCT Dream dance practice really impressed me. I realized how good every single one of them are. As a group, they might be the strongest in K-pop.
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives yeah, some nctzens still have mindset that Dream only have good synchronization skills but lack of individual standout (like Gfriend) but in reality Dream members already strong individually that also have outstanding sense of synchronization. That's insane
I've recently noticed Chenle puts a lot of energy when he dances during other members are singing their part in show performances and dance practices and basically as long as he doesn't sing. There's a bit in the prechorus in hello future dance practice in which he puts a lot of precision and details, it's really lovely
also i love that dream are such a highly skilled unit! usually when idols debut so young they skip the foundations but you can really tell each member has worked so hard to dance well and they make such a good team
I also love how you can noticeably show their growth too as dancers. Like in debut-early eras while they still doing very well, they are more like the group who prioritize synchronization over individual style. However as time goes they start to gradually showing more different areas to growth individually to the point how strong they are and on top of that definitely they still maintain the synchronization like it’s part of their brand too
I was looking forward to this!!!! kuns my favorite i expected it but i laughed a little when he placed 23rd I imagine you've heard this a lot alr but I really appreciate the specifity and detail with which you evaluate which member. i love hearing ab your personal favorites and observations too! keep up the good work
oof that's actually my favorite video, I remember being mesmerized by Haechan's style when I first got into nct and that video explained it so fully it made me appreciate his style even more. and yes😭 I always loved ballet as a child, I practiced it on my own bc we couldn't afford classes. Haechan definitely attracts the ballet people!!
I really am glad to see haechan up there amongst and even higher than the main dancers! It's nice to see him recognized more and more and more for dance.
I'm starting to think Momo dances the way she does is because she takes inspiration from her sister ruclips.net/user/shorts3n2CSdBBTYk?feature=share3 From what I've seen so far, her sister is quite impressive
Thank you thank you for all the hard work, time and energy you put into making this brilliantly explained assessment of NCT’s dancing. It’s by far the most coherent, entertaining and informative video I’ve seen. Honest, straight to the point and no gilding the lily.
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives lol I’m not so involved in NCTzens so I don’t know in details the “popular fan approved rankings”, only that Taeyong is pretty known for his dance and performance skills so anyone who is not known as one of NCT best dancers being above him is a plot twist. Then again your comment makes me tempted to make all of my NCTzen friends watch this
After watching Ten Birthday dance practice, I don't think anyone can convince me Ten is not the number one best dancer in Nct but it's just my opinion though
So Jaehyun's issue is mainly consistency (which I understand). I think his confidence in his performance fluctuates which is unfortunate but when he is feeling it, it really is a joy to watch him (for me at least). So if he fixed his consistency issues, would his ranking change? And if yes, where would you place him? And yeah I thought I was the only one who noticed how much more comfortable he is when he's wearing a beanie and vans (and baggy pants) 😁 Edit: And I don't know if it's just me but he seemed a lot more confident and consistent during his rookie days. Not saying this is the definite truth but he's mentioned how he felt pressure to be perfect all the time. I noticed that the less popular he was in his rookie days, the more comfortable he was to be openly playful and carefree. Maybe that might be playing into his confidence in performing as well? If he didn't have this feeling of pressure in looking visually perfect all the time, would he be more laid back and confident in showing his personal artistry like he was before? I personally think he has some potential groove when he's very relaxed but that's just what I see 🤷🏻♀️. But yeah Shotaro is great and Mark's groove makes him such a standout dancer and Jisung is so clean to watch (especially loved watching his fancam in Ridin')
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives so if he were more consistently at his best, he'd be 5? And yeah it's just a theory but it's just something I noticed throughout his progression in popularity that he seems less comfortable in expressing himself like he did before in his rookie days. If I'm correct I think he'd still be considered a rookie in 2018 and personally I really thought one of his best performances was during Boss. And I agree he's pretty good at traveling, it's fun to watch him travel through the stage 😁
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives You have to keep in mind that dancing is a form of expression, if Jaehyun lacks consistency and enthusiasm in his dance then he shouldn't even be in the top 10....... If you enter a dance competition you would need to show spirit and express story-telling in a performance which i can't even envision that from him. He's definitely top 5 in vocal category though.
I don't think it's a confiance issue as much as not trying hard/not being THAT passionate, imo Jaehyun is a bit of a chronic underperformer and have many performance where he is not putting much energy and looks like he don't particularly wants to be here? ( in a more bored than scared type of way)
Is it just my impression, or are twice members who used to have low energy (namely Dahyun and Chaeyoung) being more dynamic and generally putting more effort into their dancing?
the bucket hat girl in taemin's advice dance practice is noze from wayb. she particpated in street woman fighter if you want to watch more videos of her !
I am literally devastated and very worried about her. For me it was clear that something wasn't right with her, the difference in her personality between O.O and Dice and even her stage presence... I hope she gets better soon...
related to 42:22 I didn't know that nmixx members had improved so much, would you mind making a video of them in the future? maybe when they have already released two or three more comebacks... Whatever, I loved the video. My favorite dancer by far is Heachan, her moves are so aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...😪😪😪😪😪 you deserve a monument for this work of art
Omg this is AMAZING! I never imagined learning so much more about dancing by being a fan of NCT🤣The detailed break down and especially the side-to-side comparisons are super helpful to me as a beginner dancer! Thank you soooo much for your huge effort!! ❤❤
Thank you very much for all your work!! I have waited this for super long! ❤ Oh my god the Dreamies are so good! 😍😍 They are the real definition of "young and scary" 😂😂🤣🤣
Omg i just realized that the ‘randomly placed’ numbers in your tier list/ranking docs are the nct members!! Am i right? Like ive been staring at those numbers for months being confused on what they are for 🤣🤣🤣 And btw i really appreciate how much time and effort you put into this analysis and im sure a lot of nctzens will too ♥️
Yes! I initially started doing that just to keep things organized for after the video, thinking no one would care much, but once I started getting comments about it, I realized it worked as a teaser of sorts.
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives yeah it’s a really cute teaser 🤣 I hope the negative comments wont discourage you to make future videos like this. Unfortunately some fans just cant accept criticisms about their faves who have been put on a pedestal by the fandom since their debut. Hope to see more videos like this and maybe some updates on nct in the future if some members improve!! ♥️
No because Taeil always surprises me a little when I watch his fancams. I feel like he's improved his technique since debut but he definitely seems to have lost energy ):
she's been working for months on this, do you think she watched ten's video and said "well i'm gonna make an ot23 video and release it ?" it's been in the works for a while and the people who follow the channel know it. also a kpop idol being viral doesn't mean much, 99 % of kpop stans aren't dancers and don't know shit about dancing lol
@@FairyAl Did u think Ten went viral cuz of his face?? His dance. That’s why I mentioned here. And Ten started with bboy and hip hop when he was young. If it’s long time dance analysis from dancer, not just fave ranking or not what style of dance do I prefer video. I can recommend Ten’s different dance style videos for her next analysis.
I hope people take a moment to appreciate that Ten still has a good rank. The reason he is 4th is not that he is bad, but that the top 3 are just that good. This goes for all the members down the line.
I thought it was just biased opinion at first. Then after seeing your other videos, I thought maybe u hadn’t watched enough dance vids. But after saw your replies ”won’t change my rank” even after seeing other’s dances in the future…..I was right from the beginning 😕 bye
ngl my jaw dropped to see xiaojun that low but this isn't for idol/performing ranking so it was interesting to hear your reasoning. i was also expecting taeyong higher given his general acknowledgement in the industry as a dancer. im glad yangyang, renjun and chenle are higher here, i think they're both quite underrated. i have also noticed wayv tend to be less in sync, but never really sure why exactly.
Great video! I don't know Jisung well enough but I love that internal vs external performance part! I never realized how much more fun it is to watch idols who do that vs full on external performers. Learned a lot.
You should watch NCT Dream’s most recent dance performance for the Genie Music Awards… he was literally INSANE… there’s a dance practise for it! Speechless.
i personally disagree with a few, especially Ten he's definitely top 2 if not 1 for me i would also put winwin higher lol but i appreciate the amount of hardwork you put in for this!!
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EDITING ERROR: The titlecard before Chenle should say "Tier 6", not "Tier 5".
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I found the bucket hair girl! She’s Noze from SWF!
have you watched ten's birthday dance practice? I can not believe he is only four ruclips.net/video/C3i_rzY5hVE/видео.html
@@huangmaobaimao I have already seen it. The reason it isn't included is because I edited his section before the Birthday dance practice came out.
I hope people take a moment to appreciate that Ten still has a good rank. The reason he is 4th is not that he is bad, but that the top 3 are just that good. This goes for all the members down the line.
@@lizziem.g2548 They won’t be on the list until I analyze their groups.
@@lizziem.g2548
my opinion:
1. Jimin (tier 4)
2. Taemin ( tier 5)
3. Kai ( tier 5)
The fact that Taeyong did not know anything about dance and had to learn from scratch...its impressive that he is one of the best Nct dancers and he has great stage precence .
His stylistic choices and attention to detail is outstanding
@@drenkard Totally agree😌
I mean- thats how you learn how to dance...
@@aenning yeah and not only did he learn how to dance but he also has this Natural charisma on stage and add his own style to both his dance and raps which makes him stand out
Again it kept reminding me that he's a pillar of nct.
haechan and shotaro's dancing are my favorite. so satisfying and hits the beat. they are light and fluid and have good balance and detail. special shoutout to jisung and his footwork ofc
Haechan Is really talented, and honestly I watch his fancam because it is satisfying I don't like dancer who put to much force, haechan makes it easy but when you try to dance it, it's so hard. mostly from who I know if they want to learn the choreography they go for haechan fancam because they said he give accurate dance and technique.
I am just so proud of him, he is the main vocalist but he is on top 5..
Haechan is the highest main vocalist that ranked at #5 for the best dancer in NCT 👏🏽 thanks for your clear explanation
Ten is also a main vocalist
@@wg221-33 I love the way Ten has evolved with his vocals. He's improved so much its crazy. He went from being a sub vocal to main in a couple years + main dancer? He's amazing
@@mar0445 fr the best!!
@@wg221-33 go praise him somewhere else, im here highlighting Haechan only
@@hunnyhae I'm just telling you that he is not the highest main vocalist ranked here. So if you want to praise him no problem but use the good term or you will confuse others.
After watching Ten’s Birthday, he is now undeniably THE BEST dancer for me in nct
Facts. I’ve been watching Ten’s solos for quite some time. Ten is undeniably the best dancers in nct and rank in the top 10 among all idol dancers in kpop and that’s a fact.
shotaro is better
you can't complain with proffesional
@@xzrcy3579 i think its not right when we say whose better than another,bcs not every dance that Ten did,shotaro can follow.. like birthday.. the song was made for ten. I think no one can copy every detail movements,expressions,energy and feels that ten gave in that birthday dance practice. Everything was so beautiful.. if the standard is accurancy in moves,etc i dont think we can say that is the best.. i am agree when ten said that he delivered his feels through dances. He just not moves his body but u can feel his feelings through his dance and thats why i choosed him as my bias.. if u dont believe it,u can search some of his magical dances such as lovely, only one with boa,devils in hit the stage. Hes really the best performer in NCT no one can deny it! :)
CUZ HE'S YOUR BIAS😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@xzrcy3579 who is the professional here?
Litrally many kpop choreographers call ten as one of the top kpop dancers .
Haechan is literally a main dancer i found his dance so smooth and satisfying 💚 he deserves to be in top 5 SM should now give him a main dancer position 🐻
mark tends to be overlooked espeically for outsiders and people who dont know dance. few years ago i had only but a very superficial understanding of dancing and mark didnt really stand out to me but after professional dance training and gaining much more insight/experience i could finally see what was so fascinating and impressive about his dance and why he rightfully deserves his placement (in the open style category). his groove and style is simply nuts. stage presence has also had a really big breakthrough in recent comebacks imo.
Similar to me! I didn't get Mark's dancing at all when I was only doing ballet. It was only once I started house and hip-hop that I appreciated his technique.
I agree that Ten, Jisung, and Mark are pretty much interchangeable. I have 3 videos/shorts on this channel which include the three, and each time I've ranked them in a different order. 😂
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives it's funny how you just started dancing hip-hop but u deemed urself good enough to put these idols on tiers as if you have the authority.🙄 And the way you critiqued Ten's style tells me how you don't really understand what it means to integrate different elements from different genres to create a new style. Dance like all arts isn't fixed, it's ever evolving and those who only know how to follow set of rules or peoples standard and preferences will end up rigid and will not create something new. Master had always broken some rules to create new beautiful stuff. That's how it has always been. Ten is a master who found his color. All of NCT members have their own color but Ten is so well integrated he's like a rainbow 🌈.
@@arien_000I don't get the hate on op, as you have said, dance isn't fix so op can have her own standards as you have with yours. if you don't agree, then you can make your own video analyzing ten's dance. imo, op did great in objectively presenting the differences in their dances and she's clearly knowledgeable and knows what she's talking about.
@@nominstory sure. For you she has done well. For me she was terrible. For you this maybe some sort of a labor of love. For me it looks like a labor of inflated ego and ignorance. Just cuz the world is mostly democratic, doesn't mean everyone's opinion has the same weight. If you're fine having someone who is practically a beginner, lecture you then go ahead. I prefer to listen to people with real authority in the area. A few research here and there and some people are already impressed with themselves and think they are good enough to make a critical analysis worthy of people's time. It's like listening to a lecture on law from a law student whose only source is his books vs a real lawyer who has been seasoned by time and his experiences with several cases and lawyers.
@@arien_000 ten stans are deranged vgly
I’m crying at “A beanie and vans may give Jaehyun superpowers” 😂
Hahahahahaha
28:30 haechan choreographed his solo dance that he did on tour with “love sign” (which he also co produced and co wrote)
Love the Mark appreciation he’s literally so good but his dancing is not really talked about because he’s such an amazing rapper but he’s for sure an ace. Also, I agree that in lemonade he for sure shined the best I couldn’t take my eyes off him. Love everything you said and how detailed your analysis is!
Haechan oh my god they really were not kidding when they labeled Haechan as "best dancer among vocalists and best vocalists among dancers". Every comeback I just find myself focusing on him especially with dance practices and individual fancams, like im not a dancer myself but i know for a fact that there choreos are very difficult but watching him doesn't make it feel that way. He looks so light on his feet and very graceful with his movements. And all those angles you pointed, he always had the best body lines amongst all of them when dancing and his crazyyy footworks and his hips!! His hips never lie like there are certain nct choreos that focus on the shoulders but he always tries to include his hips which is so pleasing to the eye. And recently the 2baddies dance practice, in the 2nd chorus, he's the only one really popping off his chest and it makes it look so soo good. Thank you for putting light into his name because personally I really think he should be one of the main dancers. But if not, he is indeed higher than all of those leads.
Buttt this whole video, thank you so much for putting so much time into making this and doing your research. Personally, I think Ten deserves #2 especially up to now with his Birthday choreography.
Ten is also a vocalist and a dancer tho, I agree with the vocalist and dancers but not with the dancer and vocalist
Edit: W8 nvm, Jungwoo is also a lead dancer so haechan isn't the best vocalist among the dancers either lol
Still a clear No 2 (3 if Jaehyun is also a lead dancer lol) for both ways is already huge
@@Oliver-uz1fs hey it's the netizens who branded him that, you can search for a lot of articles :)) also this is my Own Personal opinion, you could make your Own comment if you want.
@@Oliver-uz1fs HC is not main dancer for any subunit (lead dancer for 127, used to be lead dancer in Dream); so him a main vocalist being in the top 5 is pretty high even coming from me - a sunflower.
I’ve always love Ten as a performer because like his name, he’s perfect ✨ especially because he’s not even a Korean and yet, he got several opportunities as solo artist. At least, SM learnt their lessons 😌
Thank you for this ❤️
haechan is my go through when it comes to fancam 😭
Renjun's dancing is so underrated, thank you for pointing out Renjun's dancing ability
having seen most if not all of shotaro's pre/post-debut dance clips i will unbiasedly say he deserves #1. the isolations in his neck, chest, and hips are impeccable, the way he hits every beat with ease (it's so satisfying), he's such a fun dancer to watch, i can rewatch his dancing clips over and over and never get sick of them. he has power, fluidity, agility, etc. he makes me think how does a human body move like that? kpop stans like to say he has no versatility (which isn't true) it's just that he hasn't gotten the platform to show it yet. which is why i neeeeed mnet to do a hit the stage 2! anyway, i throughly enjoyed this video, entertaining while informative! you dont see all members nct rankings on here often so really appreciate the time and effort that went into this!
Thank you!
Ten and Mark has got to be two of my favorite kpop dancers! Taemin being the first ofc :)
I really like this list. I feel like you covered haechan’s dancing really well like actually. 🙏🏾
Thanks for watching!
It's so exciting to watch Shotaro's individual expression grow on stage. I worry the training will change his personal style physically, way too many SM dancers are hunched over going all the way back to TVXQ.
you can really tell who the company trained from scratch and who came in with prior experience/experience in other styles!! taeyong and mark being the foremost examples of this
bro how is there so little mention to the creator of this vid??? as a ballet and contemp dancer i’ve always wanted to get into more hip hop styles so this video was really interesting
Thank you so much for this comment! Transitioning from ballet to house has been a very challenging process, but it’s also given me much more insight into dance as a whole.
Good luck!
I just wanted to thank you for the UNGODLY amount of work you put in these videos every time. I'm a freelance dancer and I currently don't have a way to pay for dance classes or a dance school, so these videos almost work as a "free lesson" for me to help me think about and improve my dancing. It also helps because since I mainly dance to kpop I tend to think that they are these perfect dancing machines because I don't have the technique to point out the mistakes they make (because they are you know .. humans) and also hearing stories from someone like you who has received professional training but still struggles because well you never stop learning and improving!
Sooo yes, thank you again, I hope you know that these videos are not only very entertaining but also inspiring to people like me :) lots of love ❤️
Wow, that means so much! I understand how hard it is to learn on your own, so I'm glad these videos can provide some help!.
no literally i use these as dance lessons too cuz idk where to actually get dance lessons 😭
Wasted time because the ranking in this video is wrong
Omg the details explaination about haechan, you really got the point. He's truly amazing. Watching him dancing looks so relaxing, like that smooth moves. Omg, he's main dancer for sure
What you said at the end of Haechan's section was what I was thinking about, I think haechan would do awesomely in ballet and/or contemporary dance, he looks so elegant and fine
He used to do ballet and contemporary (also jazz, sports dance and "everything" according to him)
haechan's dancing is soooo beautiful.. idk how to describe it 😭
Regarding Renjun, I remember seeing a comment from a video a long time ago that said that if you wanted to learn the choreography, just look at Renjun since he executes every move with such precision, which I think describes him really well.
haechan dances so beautifully 😭 nice viiiiid
I love Haechan's style od dancing, I really like watching his fancams
doyoung not last!!!! *oprah gif* also, it got me a bit emotional how clear the appreciation youve got for haechans dancing comes accross even if hes not ranked first (and pretty much everyone for that matter but hes got the longest section and it felt pretty hypnotizing to watch) youve got such a pretty way to highlight not only anyones particular strengths or attributes but also just their overall identity as performers and dancers, and the fact that you manage that with a 23 member group is a bit mindblowing ngl
Thank you so much! 😭
I’m glad not everybody hates this video. ☠️😂
I love this comment!!!
I think the reason Heachan does not drop his hips too much are due to his ankle, knee and back injury which he suffered quite early on. He even missed concerts due to that.
But it's good to see him get recognized 😌 🙌
Don't really follow boy groups but this was still a really interesting watch! Haechan has the most captivating dance style for me I think
Interested to hear your thoughts on this new girl group Queenz Eye. They choreographed some of their choreos on their RUclips and one of their members, Wonchae, trained under WM for a long time, so I'm curious if she shares any dancing quirks with, say, Yuto or Chaeyeon
Skills are not something you are born with, but something you continue to hone through careful stretching and years of basic training, so im happy that Shotaro's skills have been recognized
Ngl the way people attack the ranking instead of the comments made make it really clear that if the same stuff was said for every member, but it was just ordered in terms of the members' age (an analysis rather than a ranking), people would have literally no problem with this because Ten and Taeyong were still both praised a lot. It's so obvious people are so hung up about the exact numerical rankings and aren't really here to listen. If they actually watched the video instead of skipping through each ranking they would see that literally every member in the top ten is praised quite a lot. Another thing is that people seem to think Ten or Taeyong being ranked below others is an insult to their skills, when in fact it's more of a compliment to NCT as a whole that there are so many good dancers in there. Also, just because this ranking says something different to your opinion does not mean you have to change your opinion. If you don't think Ten or Taeyong or anyone should be placed where they are, that's completely fine. Make your own ranking video with your own, valid, reasoning. Write your own comment with your own, valid, reasoning in your own words, not the words of some other person. No need to insult the person behind this video and drag them for having a difference in opinion.
hit the nail on the head!
Fantastic comment.
Sorry, but WayV's justifications in the video don't make sense to me. Actually, I do think the author didn't do a proper research at WayV's part.
Besides that, the rest seems accurate
@@ikaru5089 this.
Criticizing and disagreeing isn't synonymous to attacking. You only feel attacked cuz you're probably the type who easily crumbles under criticisms. I guess what you're really want to say is "Please let the creator be biased and let those who agree to this ranking (cuz it validates their opinions) enjoy their delusions". Any NCT dance ranking that doesn't recognize Ten is number 1 is obviously a joke. Even if you ask the members (including Shotaro) and have a panel of real pros and experts thoroughly compare all their best dance performances, it's undeniable. And there are plenty of dancers and choreographer reactors on YT (including Japanese) you could check out and they will surely say it's Ten (at least for those who have seen all the members dance). And unlike this creator those reactors actually show their faces so they're more reliable😅
Oh well, you're also free to live in denial.
I don't know anything about dancing so it's good to learn with your videos, I'm not a nctzen but I really like ten's dance, personally he would be my number 1.
thanks for your hard work.
Thank you for watching!
Agreed
watching this as a non-dancer is fun because i already noticed most of this intuitively, but didn't have the words to describe it-- so when you explain why someone looks awkward doing a certain move, i'm like OH of course! lol
Thank you so much! This is a great video! Haechan's dancing is so good! He has this smoothness and natural flow. Great facial expressions. He knows when and where to use his energy. Haechan doesn’t overdo dance moves and that's how he looks so effortless dancing. I'm so confused why he's not a lead dancer in NCT Dream anymore...
Thanks for watching!
i guess because of the over dependence on him as a main vocalist in dream? just looking at last year itself and hot sauce (their 1st full album) there are some songs in there that are just REALLY hard to sing, compared to the relatively easier songs they released prior to 2021 in their minis. So I guess they need him more as a main vocalist now than they ever have before
@@Tedybearrara HAECHAN IS BETTER THAN THE NCT DREAM MAIN DANCER BECAUSE OF RATING ?? WHAT RATING?? SALES ?? IS THAT HOW MAIN DANCER SHOUD BE IDENTIFIED? LOL
Tbh I don't think dance position is matter anymore in Dream lol. If anything he leads more dance break or become center chorus more than Renjun who is one of the official lead
he still is the Lead dancer and Main vocalist in 127, Dream, and U
Great video as always. I’ve been into NCT Dream lately & one of the main reasons is because of how captivating I find them as dancers and performers. Mark and Jisung are so different in style but both equally fun to watch. I had noticed Jisung looks down a lot but hadn’t really thought about it in the way you do and it now makes sense to me how he remains captivating despite not making eye contact like a lot of charismatic idols do. Kudos to their vocal line as well-like you said, NCT seems to have a strong distinction between vocalists and dancers but Dream’s vocalists bridge that gap pretty well.
Haechan used to study ballet too! Maybe that's why his dance moves are so elegant and precise
Honestly, even if I don’t entirely agree with the ranking, I’m grateful for the intense analysis you put into the ranking. It’s clear you did a lot of research, so thank you for posting this because I’ve been waiting for a comprehensive dance ranking. ❤
Jaehyun's inconsistency reminds me of idols like ryujin, winter and Jennie where they either have really great fancams one day but the next underextend their movements, shortcut them and don't try as much. And I don't think it has much relation to live singing either, some idols are just like that even if at their best, they are pretty good dancers.
jennie isn't a great dancer, so u cant compare him to her. jennie is either she knows the choreo or not and if she wants to sing passionately or not
@@Amaralivilava I'm not comparing their dance skills, I'm comparing the nature of their inconsistencies. And Jennie has good body locks, fluidity, isolations and sense of shape when she's at her best, her problem with inconsistentcy is far worse than the other 3 mentioned but at her best, she can showcase some good skills which unfortunately get overshadowed by the fact that she doesn't try nearly as hard like 70% of the time
Kudos to everyone who watched this video fully with NO skips because I did looool
Appreciate it. 💪
are you the same person i replied to before? why do i keep getting jump scared by your pfp?
@@nanarae2921 SSKSKSKSKSSKSKDKSK 90% me looool
I did too, this is such an excellent analysis
My renjun deserves the love, his really good dancer though, Taeyong also is one of my favorites dancer in kpop add up to his charisma, his really born to be an idol I really hypnotized the way he perform on stage ily
23 members. You are so patient. Thank you so much for this❤️
I politely disagree with this video ranking. Especially with the arrangement of the top 5.
Thank you for being polite.
I'm so glad you paid attention to Jeno and pointed out what actually makes him stand out as a performer. Since I've been an NCTzen, nobody has really given him the credit and praise he deserves for being one of the top performers in the brand. Like they do acknowledge that he's a good dancer but never really mentioned any quality (at all) that made them think that way. I've witnessed a lot people saying he's only a good dancer "just because" he's putting more power and has more energy than the others. Some even go as far as saying he's just overdancing to make it look like he's good. Although he's become one of the most biased members these recent years, I can't help but notice he's still one of the underappreciated ones :(
Btw I thought he'd be around 8/9 based on your hints but I'm glad you also took time to watch his Villain performance!
he is indeed underappreciated, it’s either people too focusing on his visuals or they dont focus at him at all when he’s such a good dancer and performer. they prefer to focus on his mistake more (that he only did once a blue moon) and label him bad dancer when other members also do lots of mistakes 🤷🏻♀️
Thanks!
And yeah, I’ve noticed that with energetic performers, people tend to start and stop with a very lukewarm “so-and-so is a powerful dancer”. (I’m admittedly guilty of doing this is the past.)
Power tends not to be addressed as another useful quality to expand your range of expression, but rather as something you put on top of technique. I don’t like this perspective because it dismissed the technique needed to create power, as well as the ways in which power can be an artistic choice.
@@jenlee836 He is indeed doesn't have much fluidity compared to someone like Renjun or Haechan but I've seen people call him stiff dancer and only overdancing like ??? I do agree that some movement is better if he adds some fluidity but it is not something that he must to do if it means he needs to sacrifice his own style. And the fact that I could name more NCT dancers who is more stiff than him but never labeled as one lol
@@jenlee836 yup. just search 엔시티 안무 실수 on youtube and you'll find kfans posted other members' choreo mistake
Holy--- I only realized it's about 40min long when u mentioned it at the end 😅 thank you for this !! And god I love Mark 🥺
Wow, high praise! Thank you for watching!
haechan did take part in choreographing his little solo dance during love sign i think he knows what his strengths in dance is and he fully utilized that in his solo dance part
I wish you had a community tab like sootzubae does for vocals. I think the community would be very happy about it 😩
i wish she would release videos almost every month or so 😔
judging by how toxic fans are here, i dont think thats the good idea lol.
I agree with the list.
Not surprised by shotaro, he is a professional dancer, before being an idol.
So happy people are seeing how great Haechan is as a performer.
Dreamies are all great performers
They really are!
For the Krumping part: groove is a very important aspect of krump, and there is a specific groove that you learn, which is a lot less relaxed than hip hop or house grooves.
As for Taeyong, I'm almost sure that the reason he developed so much tension is due to his back injury during his trainee day's (and looking at the neck tension when he dances makes me feel bad for him). He hasn't developed the underlying strength to fall back onto, so he overcompensates with the tension to keep everything in place. If he releases, he would probably be in more pain as those wrongly activated muscles are all he can rely on. It's one of the draw backs for SM's recent training style imo, where the unique quirks get favored over foundation. The only solution would be to relearn some things fundamentally, and we all know that won't be happening.
I'm glad you put Xiaojun and Jungwoo in those ranks, I often feel like fans rank them higher than they are based on their power or angles, without seeing the lacking underlying technique. Also nice that Taeil and Lucas aren't last as per their reputation lol, they do seem to have potential. Yuta has nice movement quality and a lot of style imo, this combination of strength and minimal movement feels so familiar from somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it. Him and Hendery are two prime examples of control based dancers, they won't groove to save their life but they do have a noticeable skillset. Whether that is neutral or bad is something popping dancers have been arguing about since the rise of dubstep music, but that's another topic. I never thought of Jeno as a groovy dancer, maybe I should pay some attention to that, nice video!
Thanks for that bit about krumping!
Yes, that could explain his tension.
I never thought of Jeno as a groovy dancer either, until the Villain practice. Then when I went back to watch is other stuff, I was like ohhh, okay.
Overall, 5/5 comment! Thanks. 😅
Yeah I saw someone ranking Jungwoo higher than Haechan and my eyeballs dropped
Me too...I never thought Jeno as a groovy dancer ....
Taeyong literally has the strongest core in all of NCT, and can do moves others can't. and he's the 2nd strongest neo. you saying 'he hasn't developed underlying strength' is utter bs bcs he has amazing core strength so..
as a non-dancer who loves choreo + analysis, this video is such a treat!!! other comments have perfectly explained my thoughts on how concise, thoughtful, and detailed each section is, im glad to see so much love for this video
Wow, thank you so much for this in-depth comment!
I love the way you describe his hands/wrists. 😂
For me, TENLEE is the most attractive dancers of NCT
He has a beautiful dance style.
please don’t listen to all the mad stans here who look like they only checked the ranking and didn’t listen to your analysis (because the only thing that counts for them is that their bias is better than the rest). your analysis, independently from your rankings, are the best i’ve seen in k-pop discussions (along with itorook), so keep going and don’t be discouraged/hurt by just obsessed people 💙
You explained perfectly why Jisung is the only male idol I can watch fancams of. I always feel uncomfortable seeing male idols, I get this vibe that they're trying to seduce me all the time (which is not a bad thing, its just not my thing) but Jisung always looks like he's just having the time of his life while dancing, he doesn't do it for the audience he does it for himself and I love it
I feel similarly about this with all of the NCT DREAM members. I feel like they’re just having fun executing the choreography and not going overboard or trying to be something they’re not. Their stage presence can be quite sweet, charismatic, engaging, occasionally sexy but mostly just fun and their fancams reflect this a lot. I’ve seen other boy group’s fancams and something about most of them or at least a good handful just feel a little contrived or disingenuous with their facial expressions. Just my thoughts anyway
Jisung in particular has a mischievous and cocky confidence that suits him a lot and meshes well with a lot of their choreographies especially Go and Hot Sauce
well, you text is talking about Jisung but it seems like you are talking about renjun lol
its more like Renjun than Jisung this text
@@dproductions7293 you would benefit from writing with correct grammar… I have no clue what you’re meaning to say
yes!!! im usually okay with maintaining eye contact but smth abt male idol fancams is often very uncomfortable..... sexy expressions are fine imo if they seem to come naturally to the performer, but like the other comments said, most idols make it feel so forced/overboard.. so seeing jisung use whatever expressions he's feeling in the moment has always felt rly sincere + refreshing to me
i also really love how jisung sets boundaries in his performances.. if he isn't comfortable with a choreography move he adjusts it to fit himself and i really admire that. for example, he might omit or de-emphasize/desexualize hip thrusts, which ive always really respected since i know i wouldn't be comfortable performing similar dance moves.
idk, i might be projecting, but it's very comforting to see him stick to what he wants to do, even if its subtle.. considering how many celebrities (in any industry, not just kpop) tend to muffle their discomfort bc of fan/media pressure, i think idols setting small changes like this are really important
Ohhhh it is glad to see Chenle in GMA dance practice is also included. Like when his solo dance break appears I was like I don't remember if anyone in Dream have this dancing styles and when I see the fancam my reaction immediately is THAT'S CHENLE?? like I know he is never in the worst tier for the whole NCT but like that just surprising me a lot since he either improved tremendously or just rarely showing his dancing potential he always has.
This dancing ranking is such a fresh breath air compared to the usual nct dance ranking videos. I always think almost the entire of NCT Dream is undeserved to be put quite low considering how good they actually are.
That recent NCT Dream dance practice really impressed me. I realized how good every single one of them are. As a group, they might be the strongest in K-pop.
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives yes they are 😭
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives yeah, some nctzens still have mindset that Dream only have good synchronization skills but lack of individual standout (like Gfriend) but in reality Dream members already strong individually that also have outstanding sense of synchronization. That's insane
I've recently noticed Chenle puts a lot of energy when he dances during other members are singing their part in show performances and dance practices and basically as long as he doesn't sing. There's a bit in the prechorus in hello future dance practice in which he puts a lot of precision and details, it's really lovely
Wow taeil's explanation is on point👏
I've been waiting for this for a long time I'm so fucking excited
Appreciate all the efforts and time you put in this video. Love it💚. And Haechannie in top 5 love it more💚💚.
also i love that dream are such a highly skilled unit! usually when idols debut so young they skip the foundations but you can really tell each member has worked so hard to dance well and they make such a good team
I also love how you can noticeably show their growth too as dancers. Like in debut-early eras while they still doing very well, they are more like the group who prioritize synchronization over individual style. However as time goes they start to gradually showing more different areas to growth individually to the point how strong they are and on top of that definitely they still maintain the synchronization like it’s part of their brand too
Donghyuck tier 4 sounds like a dream 🤩🤩
I've watched a lot of dance analysis of nct and this is the best i've seen so far ❤ thanks so much 💕
I was looking forward to this!!!! kuns my favorite i expected it but i laughed a little when he placed 23rd
I imagine you've heard this a lot alr but I really appreciate the specifity and detail with which you evaluate which member. i love hearing ab your personal favorites and observations too! keep up the good work
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I also think shotaro is the best dancer in NCT .You are not bias.
nct is a very strong dance group, their weakest dancer is still quite entertaining.
i'd really love if kddd's comeback was with a newjeans ranking or with kep1er (i dream till this day with a deep analysis about hikaru and dayeon)
me not recognizing half of the members and still watching anyway 📝
Thank you!
same lmfaooo
oof that's actually my favorite video, I remember being mesmerized by Haechan's style when I first got into nct and that video explained it so fully it made me appreciate his style even more. and yes😭 I always loved ballet as a child, I practiced it on my own bc we couldn't afford classes. Haechan definitely attracts the ballet people!!
congrats on finishing this video sis!!! 🎉
Thank you!
haechan did choreograph a short sequence during his dance break in love sign, you might wanna check that out?
I really am glad to see haechan up there amongst and even higher than the main dancers! It's nice to see him recognized more and more and more for dance.
The dancer at 34:18 is Noze. She was in street woman fighter and is also apart of a dance crew called wayb
That's Noze?! I didn't recognize her. 😂
Girl you worked really hard to give us these ranking so a very big thank you and now plzz take some rest
I'm starting to think Momo dances the way she does is because she takes inspiration from her sister
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From what I've seen so far, her sister is quite impressive
Thank you thank you for all the hard work, time and energy you put into making this brilliantly explained assessment of NCT’s dancing. It’s by far the most coherent, entertaining and informative video I’ve seen. Honest, straight to the point and no gilding the lily.
Wow, thank you so much! This video was nothing if not a labor of love. 😂
So Jeno became the plot twist
I think there were many plot twists. 😂
wdym by plot twist?
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives lol I’m not so involved in NCTzens so I don’t know in details the “popular fan approved rankings”, only that Taeyong is pretty known for his dance and performance skills so anyone who is not known as one of NCT best dancers being above him is a plot twist. Then again your comment makes me tempted to make all of my NCTzen friends watch this
even i didnt expect jaems to be high up and he's my bias
After watching Ten Birthday dance practice, I don't think anyone can convince me Ten is not the number one best dancer in Nct but it's just my opinion though
And i agree with you, this ranking doesn't make sense.
Agree!
So Jaehyun's issue is mainly consistency (which I understand). I think his confidence in his performance fluctuates which is unfortunate but when he is feeling it, it really is a joy to watch him (for me at least). So if he fixed his consistency issues, would his ranking change? And if yes, where would you place him? And yeah I thought I was the only one who noticed how much more comfortable he is when he's wearing a beanie and vans (and baggy pants) 😁
Edit: And I don't know if it's just me but he seemed a lot more confident and consistent during his rookie days. Not saying this is the definite truth but he's mentioned how he felt pressure to be perfect all the time. I noticed that the less popular he was in his rookie days, the more comfortable he was to be openly playful and carefree. Maybe that might be playing into his confidence in performing as well? If he didn't have this feeling of pressure in looking visually perfect all the time, would he be more laid back and confident in showing his personal artistry like he was before? I personally think he has some potential groove when he's very relaxed but that's just what I see 🤷🏻♀️. But yeah Shotaro is great and Mark's groove makes him such a standout dancer and Jisung is so clean to watch (especially loved watching his fancam in Ridin')
His rank would probably go up. I actually initially had him as 5th in NCT.
I can't agree or disagree with your theory, but it's an interesting thought!
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives so if he were more consistently at his best, he'd be 5? And yeah it's just a theory but it's just something I noticed throughout his progression in popularity that he seems less comfortable in expressing himself like he did before in his rookie days. If I'm correct I think he'd still be considered a rookie in 2018 and personally I really thought one of his best performances was during Boss. And I agree he's pretty good at traveling, it's fun to watch him travel through the stage 😁
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives You have to keep in mind that dancing is a form of expression, if Jaehyun lacks consistency and enthusiasm in his dance then he shouldn't even be in the top 10....... If you enter a dance competition you would need to show spirit and express story-telling in a performance which i can't even envision that from him. He's definitely top 5 in vocal category though.
I don't think it's a confiance issue as much as not trying hard/not being THAT passionate, imo Jaehyun is a bit of a chronic underperformer and have many performance where he is not putting much energy and looks like he don't particularly wants to be here? ( in a more bored than scared type of way)
Love these types of videos so much.
Jaehyun doesn't get enough credit for being a very well-rounded idol.
Is it just my impression, or are twice members who used to have low energy (namely Dahyun and Chaeyoung) being more dynamic and generally putting more effort into their dancing?
the bucket hat girl in taemin's advice dance practice is noze from wayb. she particpated in street woman fighter if you want to watch more videos of her !
Their dance line is crazy 🤪
They are so good 😭😭😭
Hell, wish I could dance like that 😠😡😤
taeyong is my favorite dancerr, love his execution, amazing video btw
Thank you so much!
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives np, i really love your evaluations, and the feedback you give to them, keep going! Binge watching while i got the flu 😂😂
@@voidweaver8333 Hope you feel better soon. 🤧
haechan makes dancing look so easy. Everytime I watch him it's like my eyes are getting therapy 😍
oh my gosh jinni left nmixx and jyp, my heart is broken....
I am literally devastated and very worried about her. For me it was clear that something wasn't right with her, the difference in her personality between O.O and Dice and even her stage presence... I hope she gets better soon...
😭😭😭
Jeno, Lucas and Jungwoo are the “trio plot twists”😂😂😂
I guess correct the bottom 3 and the top 3🎉🎉🎉
Congratulations on this incredible video❤❤❤
related to 42:22
I didn't know that nmixx members had improved so much, would you mind making a video of them in the future? maybe when they have already released two or three more comebacks...
Whatever, I loved the video. My favorite dancer by far is Heachan, her moves are so aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...😪😪😪😪😪 you deserve a monument for this work of art
I didn't realize I had shifted the NMIXX clip so far over that it now just plays in silence. Whoops. 🧍♂
Thank you so much for watching!
In the end I always keep coming back to Haechans dancing. It's just so light and, fun and joyful. There's a relaxed looseness to it.
in nct all the dancers are cool and wonderful. I love them, especially Shotaro❤️
haechan's dance is entertaining to watch, superstar aura
This was a life changing experience! Thank your for the video♥️
Thank you for watching!!
Omg this is AMAZING! I never imagined learning so much more about dancing by being a fan of NCT🤣The detailed break down and especially the side-to-side comparisons are super helpful to me as a beginner dancer! Thank you soooo much for your huge effort!! ❤❤
Glad you found it informative!
Thank you very much for all your work!! I have waited this for super long! ❤
Oh my god the Dreamies are so good! 😍😍
They are the real definition of "young and scary" 😂😂🤣🤣
Dream members are really good dancers.
Omg i just realized that the ‘randomly placed’ numbers in your tier list/ranking docs are the nct members!! Am i right? Like ive been staring at those numbers for months being confused on what they are for 🤣🤣🤣
And btw i really appreciate how much time and effort you put into this analysis and im sure a lot of nctzens will too ♥️
Yes! I initially started doing that just to keep things organized for after the video, thinking no one would care much, but once I started getting comments about it, I realized it worked as a teaser of sorts.
@@KPOPDanceDeepDives yeah it’s a really cute teaser 🤣
I hope the negative comments wont discourage you to make future videos like this. Unfortunately some fans just cant accept criticisms about their faves who have been put on a pedestal by the fandom since their debut.
Hope to see more videos like this and maybe some updates on nct in the future if some members improve!! ♥️
No because Taeil always surprises me a little when I watch his fancams. I feel like he's improved his technique since debut but he definitely seems to have lost energy ):
Uploading this after Ten’s viral dance and “The real main dancer”on the thumbnail so funny
she's been working for months on this, do you think she watched ten's video and said "well i'm gonna make an ot23 video and release it ?" it's been in the works for a while and the people who follow the channel know it. also a kpop idol being viral doesn't mean much, 99 % of kpop stans aren't dancers and don't know shit about dancing lol
@@FairyAl Did u think Ten went viral cuz of his face?? His dance. That’s why I mentioned here. And Ten started with bboy and hip hop when he was young.
If it’s long time dance analysis from dancer, not just fave ranking or not what style of dance do I prefer video.
I can recommend Ten’s different dance style videos for her next analysis.
I hope people take a moment to appreciate that Ten still has a good rank. The reason he is 4th is not that he is bad, but that the top 3 are just that good. This goes for all the members down the line.
I thought it was just biased opinion at first. Then after seeing your other videos, I thought maybe u hadn’t watched enough dance vids. But after saw your replies ”won’t change my rank” even after seeing other’s dances in the future…..I was right from the beginning 😕 bye
This rank is base on bias so dont take this vid serious😂
ngl my jaw dropped to see xiaojun that low but this isn't for idol/performing ranking so it was interesting to hear your reasoning. i was also expecting taeyong higher given his general acknowledgement in the industry as a dancer. im glad yangyang, renjun and chenle are higher here, i think they're both quite underrated.
i have also noticed wayv tend to be less in sync, but never really sure why exactly.
Great video! I don't know Jisung well enough but I love that internal vs external performance part! I never realized how much more fun it is to watch idols who do that vs full on external performers. Learned a lot.
You should watch NCT Dream’s most recent dance performance for the Genie Music Awards… he was literally INSANE… there’s a dance practise for it! Speechless.
Glad you found it informative!
i personally disagree with a few, especially Ten he's definitely top 2 if not 1 for me i would also put winwin higher lol but i appreciate the amount of hardwork you put in for this!!
Jisung capture my attention because of his dancing. Out of 18 in black n black he's my instantly bias.
damn the explanation you did for jisung was so fucking on point. damn. and so incredibly insightful..
sooooo bailey sok is not debuting in meovv (tblngg) which is kinda both a good thing and a bad thing 🥲