@@mlauntube Jesus Christ saves through listening and learning from the old testament in light of the new testament teachings and guidance from the gifted spiritual Leader
@mlauntube The Gospel is that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, (John 3:16) he was buried and rose from the grave the third day. And if you believe that he did that for you, you will have eternal life.
I am here in Africa, Zimbabwe 🇿🇼. This is an important ministry you are leading Dr Flowers and your team. Its a big resource forestry from whence we get rightful and insightful information about our common faith. Here in Africa and in particular my country, Calvinism is less pronounced. Few know about it, but these Calvinists are beginning to make steady in-roads into streets and communities as does Adventists, Mormon's, Branhamites and JW's which groups are entrenched here. Calvinists are so subtle, few realise they led astray when they are already entangled in there. We'll appreciate prayer from your ministry much as you need ours. Praise the Lord.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 My brother, you are spewing copy and paste rhetoric. All of the verses you mentioned have been answered with much simplicity. Non-calvinist views answer these verses more appropriately while agreeing with all of Scripture as a whole.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 I've also studied them. When you try to fit a calvinist explanation you end up foregoing many other verses that clearly state we have a choice in the matter. Of course, without Jesus dying on the cross, then any and all choices become moot. But because He did die on the cross we have the option to become children of God. John 4:12, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." You can see that the key word is "believe on his name". That action in itself is not a work as stated in Romans 3:27, "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith." (KJV) You have to claim that faith is a work for our choice to believe to become invalid. I've seen people go through some mental gymnastics just to try and explain how faith is indeed a work even when scripture says it isn't. Anyways, I recommend Mike Winger's videos on this subject. If you have anyone else you can recommend me I'll happily keep looking into your proposed ideas. I am open minded but I haven't seen scripture support Calvinism in any significant way so far.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689I’d recommend and encourage you not only read verses that back up your beliefs but take scripture in as a whole. If you do that you’ll see Calvinist beliefs don’t stack up, and context matters. Certain things are predestined in Gods plan but we have free will and choice in the matter of salvation, God has foreknowledge of everything inside His creation (Space, Time, Matter) because He is outside of it. He knows what’s going to happen but He doesn’t choose for us, He just sees our choices. I encourage you to keep searching and listening to Dr Flowers and other good teachers. Also look into the history too, but mainly read all of Scripture in context and don’t just cherry pick. I’ve seen so many mistakes happen and misinterpreted verses because people lack the understanding of the context of those verses. I hope and pray you’ll look into it more. 🙏✝️🙏
I am made perfect as God tells us because I died on the cross with Jesus Christ and made perfect in the eyes of God. It’s the imputed righteousness of Jesus that allows me to be glorified in the end.
Macarthur never has any joy when he preaches - the reason of course being, that Calvinism is a false cult - that - like any other cult, puts all the burden on the shoulders of the people. How ironic, that the self proclaimed "elect" do not even know for sure if they are saved. Unless they "die in the faith" they say. This is why people like Macarthur have no joy and people like Washer always look like they are in torment on the inside - for they are. They have no assurance of salvation, because they do not believe in God's promises, but trust in their own, sinful walk.
Prodigal son parable against total depravity idea. The father didn't call the son back or force him home. Son came to himself & recognized his condition on his own. He humbled himself, repented.
@@950cindy Calvinism is false. If u think you're elected to salvation then you believe a false gospel. He came to save the WORLD. 1 Tim says God desires all be saved therefore He doesn't create anyone w/o ability to respond. U make Him responsible for sin. He also repays according to our deeds & came to save the world. Jesus chose disciples yet one was a devil. If God already decided who goes to hell at the beginning then Satan is a victim taking the blame. That's ur predestined heresy.
@@roxxiefoxx2884 Satan doesn't send people to hell, God does. We are destined for hell as soon as we're born because of our sinful nature inherited from Adam. Our sins send us to hell not Satan.
@@melissabrown3976 No! You are blaming God for mans choice & sin. U need to repent! Bible clearly says God desires ALL man be saved & that He is merciful to ALL His creations. Says we will be held accountable for OUR DEEDS not His. God pleads in Ezekiel for the people to turn & not die. Ur saying God is mocking them if He created them unable to turn. That's false.
One of the most revealing passages to me against Calvinism is this: Numbers 14:11 King James Version 11 And the Lord said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them? Calvinists seem to me that they pretend to know more theology than God himself. When the Lord asks this question to Moses probably someone should have sent Calvin from the future to explain to God and Moses that they can't believe until He provides them with "irresistible grace" otherwise they can't act upon Moses's prophecies and God's miracles.
David: EXCELLENT example. If Calvinists understood the human nature God actually created, as described throughout scripture, they would not make illogical, unfounded arguments. What did God create in humans that causes humans to be obedient AND disobedient? Answer: Desire and will. God created both, human desire and will, without placing any limits on either. Love is voluntary, not compulsory. The same root desire (created by God) that leads a man to love and commit to a woman, is the SAME desire that leads a man to commit adultery. Scripture instructs us, " control your desires." Desire is the root of righteousness and the root of rebellion.
@@sheilasmith7779 Thank you, sister. As I continue my daily bible reading I've encountered many passages like this. If Calvinism is true that would have more serious implications from Exudos 17-3 for example : But the people were thirsty for water there, and they grumbled against Moses. They said, “Why did you bring us up out of Egypt to make us and our children and livestock die of thirst?” If Calvinism is true then the Israelites were right that the purpose of God was not set them free but to kill them in the desert. God forgive me if I'm wrong, but for me, the bible is clear that the purpose of God was to save them and give life to them.
But he said to him if they don't not hear Moses and the prophets neither will they be persuaded through one rise from the dead Luke 16:31.. no matter what anybody tells you the reason you don't believe in irresistible Grace is because you have not truly repented Luke 16:30 all false teachings come from unrepentant heart. What did the Lazarus have to do to be risen from the dead by Christ when he was dead that's exactly how we are dead but when Christ resurrection power pulls you out that's what church means think of someone drowning and someone reaches grabs him by the shoulders and pulls them out that's irresistible Grace
How can you believe who receives honor from one another and do not see the honor that comes from the only god? Do not think that I shall accuse you to the father there is one who accuses you Moses in whom you trust for if you believed Moses you would believe me for he wrote about me but if you do not believe his writings how will you believe my words? John 5:44-47
The more I listen to the explanations of Calvinism the more I realise how twisted and confusing it is, and thankfully I'm actually starting to "make sense" of the confusion. The Gospel is very simple. Calvinists seem to overthink things intellectually and then because they do it with one part of the Bible they have to manipulative other texts to fit the first one.
It’s not intellectual, actually. Because you cannot logically reason through the concepts: A cannot equal -A. They are just repeating what they’ve been told assuming it’s true. That’s where devil lies… when these people “pick up” stuff from other humans instead of seeking God personally (as God actually wants), there is a stunting of spiritual growth. It’s basically the Catholic religion just a slightly less errant and severe version.
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do? When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, "Who then can be saved?" But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
@@shaunhunterit342 the Catholic Church rules by appeal to authority (whatever they says is right) and they discourage individuals from reading the Bible and seeking God themselves. The Calvinists tend to do the same. They read all their reformed books and even if you find inconsistencies and fallacies when compared with scripture they just say you are wrong with no evaluation of the issue. It’s just a very closed minded group honestly. There are many truly saved Calvinists who just are doing what they are told. Also most of the non reformed churches nowadays are completely worldly so they aren’t helping the case against Calvinism.
@@NeverThirstAgain888 great point! If God does not intervene there is not a hope for anybody! But that’s still a far cry from we cannot reason or be persuaded as human beings. But minus God we have no hope
I really like how the woman asks her question. She polite, kind, and softspoken, clearly not trying to "gotcha" John MacArthur, just trying to square a circle. "Mystery" is not an answer; it's a copout.
Is mystery really a copout? Are there not many mysteries in scripture? Are not God’s ways and God’s thoughts higher than man’s ways and thoughts (Isaiah 55)? Or do we not believe that about God? Wasn’t it a mystery to our brother Job when he suffered great tribulation as ax righteous man? And God did not even disclose his sovereign prerogative to grant Satan permission to torment Job. You don’t think that was a complete mystery to Job? Not to mention, it was seemingly unloving on God’s part to deliberately NOT reveal the bigger picture. Mystery to Job? I think so. Was it not a mystery to Joseph, who understood the sovereignty of God, when he was almost killed by his jealous brothers, then sold into slavery, falsely accuse of rape, placed in prison, perhaps for years. And Joseph, like Job was a righteous man. Mystery to Joseph? I think so. It wasn’t until chapter 50 that Joseph tells his brothers that they meant it for evil, but God meant it for God. Which by the way, is a great explanation for the sovereignty of God. Don’t you think. In Matthew 20, Jesus spoke a parable about a man who hired workers to work in his field. He hired people at different hours of the day. And the days wages were agreed upon. But the man who hired the workers seemingly had the audacity to pay the men who worked only one hour the Danes wages as the ones who worked all day. Now that seems very unloving and unfair. And we would grumble as they did. To the ones hired early in the morning, was it not a mystery why the man refused to pay them more? Not only a mystery, but wouldn’t we be a free at the man for it, as well as for not telling us why? Look, God could have made heaven on earth. He could have made sure that sin would not enter the garden. He could have. But he didn’t. I think that is a mystery. There could have a thousand other options for God to redeem sinners. But our triune God chose suffering and the way of the cross. Why? We can speculate. But it’s a mystery. And the lake of fire. Why would a loving God through people in hell, FOR ALL ETERNITY? Surely purgatory (and I’m not Catholic) seems more appropriate land more loving than eternal torment for those who simply choose not to believe. There are probably hundreds, maybe thousands of mysteries concerning Gods higher ways that we are NOT privy to. And Our eternal, infinite, omnipotent, perfectly and completely omniscient God is satisfied with not telling us the why’s. In the language of Psalm 115:3 , which Mr. Flower states is a good definition of God’s sovereignty, it PLEASES God to keep some things hidden, or mysteries. Unfair? Unloving? Rude? Unjust? God is God. And we are not. He is perfect and highly exalted. We are sinners, spiritual criminals, and worms at that. AND YET, or BUT GOD, he is rich in mercy, love, and grace, and saves all those who call upon his name. That is a complete and total mystery to me. God bless
@@robertmichaels2914 it is a copout because in all your examples GOD does provide a answer and reveals a secret to each one. Mystery is never not going to be answered We should have enough scripture and the holy Spirit to be able to answer all for belief.
I think Mike Winger clarifies one of the biggest issues with Calvinism, he just says that Faith is not a work. This blew my mind and clarified a lot of things ultimately helping me disaprove of Calvinism. I then read Romans 10 where it says that faith comes “from hearing the word of God” which, to me, is totally consistent to when the Scriptures say that faith is a gift of God, of course! It’s His Word, His revelation. When I understand this it even reveals the importance of evangelism and preaching and hearing the word of God even more than what Calvinism teaches
@@janellemarierose I see no problem with a woman studying theology. All Christians should study theology. And I am very conservative and Reformed theologically
@@excelentguy that’s a huge study. Research it. Look for yourself. Study it out. “Irresistible grace” means we are chosen and have no free will to accept or deny Jesus. He calls us and we “irresistibly” accept. This is false. Without free will the Bible’s message of redemption is null and void. Again.. study it out for yourself. I choose not to be your personal Bible teacher at this time only because you’re on RUclips and there is literally weeks worth of content you could find for yourself on the topic.
Thank you so much! I love that your whole channel is devoted to calling out Calvinism. It makes me sick to think that there is a belief that God would punish those who had no way of ever being saved… The Calvinistic idea needs to be uprooted if we don’t want it to be in contradiction with the Bible and God’s love for us ALL.
The question I ask every Calvinist is that if God chooses to make people on purpose for destruction and only called some for eternal life and most to burn isn't it possible that He actually called you to burn? How do you know God has called you part of the elect over your neighbors? As a result you do all kinds of good works saying, " look at what I'm doing I must be saved. " when the bible says it's a gift lest any man should boast ephesians 2:8-9. The simple fact that you think that you're saved over your neighbors is pride and God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. The bible says in Romans 2:11 there's no partiality with God but the Calvinist says I'm better than you for some reason. 2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:4 it's the Father's desire that ALL would come to knowledge of forgiveness and not willing that any should perish but He chooses some for eternal life. Tulip great flower but heretical doctrine
Serious question: Do you believe you are saved? If you do, then you are elect. Elect from before the foundation of the world as the Bible says in many places. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17. Related, you must be born again. John 3. In short, regeneration precedes faith. Ephesians 2. God through the Holy Spirit makes the first move. He regenerates the fallen soul, and through grace installs faith. God provides (talk about biblical provision!) the means for us to believe in Him in the first place. Ephesians 2:8-9. The default position of mankind is original sin. Romans 3:23. All of us are doomed until God does something. False religions all over the world are based on the idea of man doing something. Man reaching for God. All of those people will die and go to Hell if they continue down that path. And that is the justice of God. Genesis 6:13. God's right and/or prerogative. But God can and does extend mercy and grace to some. The elect. Can God do that? Yes. Is God unjust to do that? No. Romans 9. God is instead merciful when He extends mercy and grace to some though less than all. All those others are receiving justice. There is no injustice. For anyone to say that is unfair or evil to extend mercy to some without extending mercy to all is to blaspheme God. Why? Anytime a person accuses God of not having enough mercy they blaspheme God by attacking His character and/or person. They are accusing God of not being merciful enough. Romans 9:15. ("I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy...") A/P/Ts believe in a secular humanist theology that depends on "I", "I", "I". It never occurs to them unless they delve deeply into the scriptures that it is Almighty God and Almighty God alone who grants salvation ab initio. God and God alone chooses who is saved and when they are saved. God changes our "want to" through regeneration. Salvation is from the Lord. Jonah 2:9 (and a myriad of other verses anyone can look up). He that hath ears....
@Gablesman888 God the draws All men to Christ because in john 3 Jesus says if I be lifted up ( on the cross) I will draw All men equally unto Myself because there's no partiality with God Romans 2:11. Yes.its the Lord's faith but we choose to respond or not to after He puts in us a little measure of faith. God can't force Himself on anyone 3 peter 5:3 don't be dictators over the flock and you think God would do it? Romans 9:13 Jacob have I loved and esau have I hated( greek miseo', to love less not damned to eternal fire). I will have mercy who I will have mercy on and it's the Father's will that All would come to knowledge of forgiveness and not willing that any should perish 2 peter 3:9, 1 timothy 2:4. Luke 14:26 anyone who comes to Me must hate ( miseo' t love less and love Me more) or they can't be My disciples. You think God sends to hell by His perfect sorveignty while the Bible teaches that God wants everyone to be saved not willing that any should perish. You don't realize the dangers of telling people that the Father is responsible for people going to hell because it switches the credit to the wrong party blaspheming the Holy Spirit, that's why when the pharisees said Christ was doing miracles through satan when it really was the Holy Spirit ( God) they blasphemed the Holy Spirit. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit switching the credit of satan and the person's choice going to Hell to the Father. Obviously you haven't heard this before but these are the facts sorry to tell you. You're blaspheming the Holy Spirit which is never forgiven. Now you know the truth. What you do from here is your call. May we choose wisely
@Gablesman888 for the I know I'm saved because the Holy Spirit in me confirms with my spirit that I'm saved when it worship I enter into the Holy of Hollies Romans 8:16 are you sure you're saved? If there's a chance that you could actually be called to burn by the Lord's perfect sorveignty isn't it possible that you're actually called to burn? Where's the assurance in that? Right, you have no assurance.
@@aservant2287 You sound like you are not from a Christian background at all. Are you a planted AI? When I run into one of these I just rely on my friend Barack J. Obama III who said that this is above my pay grade. In other words I will not take the bait answering an AI.
@Gablesman888 lol. If I was ai would I comment on how people shouldn't cry wolf? The Holy Spirit in me confirms with my spirit that I'm saved romans 8:16. Nelson does more harm than good because people won't be ready when it really does starts because he's been wrong so many times and people will think it's just another false prediction. Does that sound like a computer animation? Be blessed
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
That's a great verse which I have memorized as well. Please read what I wrote about time. God is absolutely sovereign in all things including the salvation of the elect and the damnation of those headed to perdition. We would all be in hell except for God's grace. I witness to all. Many will be in hell. I don't have omniscience so I witness to everyone. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. (Ezekiel 18:23). I've read these comments and I don't think many of you have studied the whole of scripture!
@@jimbobo8193 You are an old man, but unable to understand what is written? Has not the man quoted scripture that reads: "God does not want anyone to perish"? How then, do you think that God is choosing some without merit and condemns others to everlasting torture, when the scripture says, that God wants all to be saved? For this is what God wants. He loves us all - if you think that he loves you, but not others, then you do not know God at all.
I am a missionary in Haiti and I train national pastors in the Word of God. Your videos help me help my pastors because you show clearly what someone is saying and then give clear, Biblical answers. Just wanted you to know I appreciate your work.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
I’m 71 years old. Been a born again believer and imperfectly walking in Christ for 50+ years and I still don’t get this. Maybe that’s ok and I can live in that tension if I am growing in Christ by His grace and bearing fruit.
The "uncomfortable feeling" comes from a prideful heart that WANTS to believe that we can save ourselves by simply convincing our "free will" that righteousness is the right thing to do.
@@AVB2-LST1154 Calvinist, are not you hypocrites the ones, who trust in your works, rather than the Grace of God? And don't even tell me for a second, that you don't trust in your works. You know you do, I know it, the world knows. For Calvinists may pay a lip service to the fact that we are saved by Faith in Christ, through Grace - but all they teach is Lordship Salvation. And yet - none of them has sold all they have - none of them is out there in Saudi Arabia - risking being killed in the streets by upset Muslims - for spreading the Gospel. En Contraire - we have their Idol, Macarthur - who preaches one must be willing to forsake everything, while he himself has millions of dollars - and none of it is used to feed the poor and he preaches comfortably from his pulpit - in the safety of the US, he is not there risking anything, he is not giving away all he has, he does not follow Christ like he preaches, that one should do. You Calvinists condemn yourself with your words. You claim to make Jesus Lord over your life - but you do it not. Hypocrites.
George Whitefield, a Calvinist, was probably the greatest preacher who ever lived. Spurgeon, no mean preacher himself, said that when Whitefield preached at Cambuslang in Scotland it was greater even than Peter's preaching at Pentecost. John Wesley, an Arminian, and a contemporary and close friend of Whitefield, was probably the greatest administrator and Christian leader who ever lived. George Whitefield and John Wesley never did come to an agreement over their theological differences but they respected and loved one another as Christian brothers. At one point, when Wesley appeared to be near his death, Whitfield wrote to Wesley and said, “…a radiant throne awaits you, and ere long you will enter into your master’s joy. Yonder he stands with a massive crown, ready to put it on your head amidst an admiring throng of saints and angels.” Why are we - and I'm looking at you now - still arguing about this?
God bless this ministry! This doctrine was taught to me early and nearly caused me to walk away from Christianity. It didn’t make any sense to me.. these videos and teachings have literally saved my eternal soul. Thank you so much Leighton
Amen! Calvinism, and its direct parent Augustinianism, has created far too many atheists by grossly distorting the character of God and falsely making Him out to be a self-contradicting, sadistic, capricious lunatic, largely by incorporating pagan Greek concepts of how a divine being would operate. They thus present a "frankengod" that combines aspects of Zeus with aspects of YHWH, which mix about as well as oil and water...
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do? When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, "Who then can be saved?" But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
@@NeverThirstAgain888 yes exactly!! We make the choice and The Holy Spirit (God) changes our heart. Anyone who’s been converted knows this and experiences it. It’s literally a miracle
@@charliemichaels452 I’m trying to understand your argument here. What is it that you’re saying? Those are false teacher passages. At its very essence Calvinism is a secondary issue despite its damaging doctrines. But either way it’s not a primary salvific issue. No one here’s calling anyone false teachers but you. Leighton never accuses these men of that. Quite the opposite
I’ve just recently discovered your channel. Never been a Calvinist because it’s never lined up to what I’ve studied in the Bible in my own personal studies and experience. Nonetheless, I know of many Calvinist’s acquaintances and have encountered many others but the way you breakdown your arguments is so refreshing and has been key to strengthening my faith. Thank you for your ministry!
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
God telling all to repent when they can't (because He set it up that way) is adding insult to injury. By the way greetings from Fort Worth! So cool that your ministry which has helped me out a lot is located so close to where I live.
@@klompe7801 God wouldn't command someone to do what they could not do. It's like commanding an infant to completely take care of themselves. It's illogical and the God of the universe is not illogical.
@@IronSharpensIron127 God commands us to love Him with all our hearts, soul, mind, and strength. Who is capable of doing that? No one has ever done that, and yet, God demands it from us. This should lead us to depend on Christ even more so.
@@elijahraya2429 Loving God and depending on Him go hand in hand. I think you are looking at it wrong. This is a process or a journey. One day we will love God with all our heart. Right now everyone is at their own place in their walk with God. So they need to walk in Faith where they are at. You can’t just jump to the end and say “well we can’t be perfect so we must not be able to do anything.”
John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.". John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.".
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
If men could believe & save themselves after hearing (or reading) the Gospel ON THEMSELVES (without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST) then majority (if not all) Catholics would have been saved cos they have been hearing (& even reading) the Bible (Gospel) since childhood for many years. We know most (if not all) Catholics can give an intellectual assent even a hearty assent (if u will) to the truth that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and was raised on the third day and they would profess that truth daily, but they are still NOT born-again if that was the case they would have been saved. Thus, I would infer that ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved Amen
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
If men could believe & save themselves after hearing (or reading) the Gospel ON THEMSELVES (without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST) then majority (if not all) Catholics would have been saved cos they have been hearing (& even reading) the Bible (Gospel) since childhood for many years. We know most (if not all) Catholics can give an intellectual assent even a hearty assent (if u will) to the truth that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and was raised on the third day and they would profess that truth daily, but they are still NOT born-again if that was the case they would have been saved. Thus, I would infer that ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved Amen
@@rahulshinde6210 _″If men could believe & save themselves...″_ Only Calvinism falsely teaches that non-Calvinists save themselves. Everyone else teaches that man believes and God saves. _″...without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST″_ Calvinism falsely teaches that "pre-faith regeneration" is the definition of Devine intervention. Non-Calvinists recognizes that EVERYTHING God does (e.g. the incarnation, the gospel proclamation, the conviction of the Holy Spirit, the Bible, miracles, dreams, etc...) are all Devine interventions & initiatives. We didn't go to up to God; He came down to us! That was His initiative! _″ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved"_ And the Bible tells us that God has sufficiently intervened so that no one can have an excuse (Rom 1:20; John 20:31; Deut.30:11-14; etc.)
Yeah I know I've got them in my family...missionaries ..if ya can believe....that...I mean if God has already decided whom He elects to be saved....before the foundation of the world....of course...why would it be necessary to go into all the world & preach the Gospel...since not all the world can be saved...or that Christ did not give His life for the...world..Jn6:51.... yeah I know....all doesn't mean....all....every doesn't mean...every....& world doesn't mean....world....& nothing means....nothing @ all...however the Catholic Calvinists Chaotic Clowns...can not get around Rom.5:6-8...if Christ died for...sinners...then He died for...all...since all have...sinned..Rom 3:23 ; Isa.64:6 and if Christ died for the ungodly...then He died for.....all...since all are ungodly...!!...no the fact is...contrary to Roman Catholic Reformed Calvinism....God Loves the world/sinners just as they are..,where they are...unconditionally....Jn 3:16-18...Isa.1:10-20 (V18) Jer.29:13 Num.21:7,8 Isa.55:7,8... what did our Lord say w His dying breath....??? " Father forgive them.,,for they know not what they....do..." who???? those that were brutally murdering Him....thats....who....!!! oh & by the way..." the Grace of God that brings Salvation...has appeared to...ALL...men..." Tit 2:11-13 " BEHOLD I bring you good tidings of great joy....which shall be to....ALL...people..." I don't know how ya can foul that up in any language....Greek included...." I give my life for the....world.." Jn.6:51 the major problem w Catholic Calvinism...is they,'ve had Christians @ each other,s throats for well over 500 yrs now w/ no end in sight...& it all comes fm...the Vatican in Roman...as did the Charismatic Movement of the '70,s to the present...& as does the " modern..." bible...controversy...in fact all " Protestant churches..." are controlled by the Vatican...thru their Roman Catholic Corrupt bibles...!!! & all " MODERN.." bibles..DENY that Christ is come in the...flesh...in 1Tim 3:16... w/ their...." he appeared in a...body..." no mystery there folks...who of us hasn't...??? it should read " God was manifest in the flesh..." not some ambiguous @ best...." he.." also ya don't get..." he.." in English...fm .God in Greek...so what's the Greek word for GOD...Theos ..what's the Latin word for GOD...Del...what's the Spanish word for GOD...DIOS...what's the English word for GOD......GOD...so where did the " he.." come fm .in 1Tim3:16...??? it came fm .1Jn 4:1-7(V3)
Dr. Flowers, you have been so instrumental in my life this year as I've moved away from Calvinism. Thank you!!! In your illustration for your kids climbing the stairs, Calvinism also says that only the child you chose can be helped. The other 2, after they hear that you have provided a way, actually get hardened so that they won't ask for your help. Thus, making all that more confusing. Imagine being a parent of 3 children, only desiring to save one from a burning house. That's the picture of God that Calvinism gives to the world. I'm so glad I'm not part of that system of belief any longer...I've thoroughly enjoyed reading your books, and learning from the resources you've provided...Thank you.
@@chrismcmorrow9738 It's funny how Calvinists quote men like Spurgeon and act like they're quoting Scripture or something! Who cares what Spurgeon called Calvinism? How is anything Spurgeon said any more authoritative than anything said by someone like Mike Winger? Both men were/are professional preachers who appear to sincerely preach what they believe(d) to be the Gospel, and both are also human and susceptible to error, so neither should be treated as any kind of higher authority than preachers in general are.
Your examples of the stairs and burning house assume we all know who God has predestined, ie the elect. No one knows but God. The concept of Total depravity and Unconditional election can still be true because we don't know if we're the elect or not. We still have free will, and if we're the elect, we'll still respond to Irresistible grace.
@Gospel Church & World Easy believism is where a Christian tells someone to "just believe" but there is no call to repentance, nothing about how Holy and perfectly Righteous God is and how sinful we are. Maybe they will simply tell someone, "Just repeat this prayer after me and if you really meant it you are saved." Jesus taught that unless a person repents, they will perish. Repentance is a change of mind that leads to a change of actions. We are not sinlessly perfect in this life, but Scripture is clear that we are different from the world. There are so many people who live like devils, but they "believed" so it doesn't matter how they live.
”I am convinced and confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will [continue to] perfect and complete it until the day of Christ Jesus [the time of His return].“ Philippians 1:6 AMP
Where is their joy? Where is their kindness? Where is their belief? Where is their service? Where is the blood of Jesus?? What is the fruit they are yielding? What do they think the good news even is???? What is their message? No wonder sinners in the world don’t want anything to do with sinners in the church. Help us holy spirit. Help your bride help your children. Help your children help your bride. What a strange and glorious plot. I am thrilled that we will be able to see your glorious work one day beyond our own noses. It looks like a mess right now but our great hope is in your excellent artistry. You are wonderful….
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do? When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, "Who then can be saved?" But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 yes, and giving eternal life to any that would chose to be bought back from condemnation with his blood. The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of men. So, judge his creation all you want. You can’t be wiser than God. He’s really really smart. He’s really really good. He’s really really right.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 Yes, because God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, and He knows the outcome of every possible choice in any scenario that can be made before, during, or after, because of the libertarian freewill He has given to make choices without His direct involvement, otherwise we would all be robots incapable of giving genuine love and devotion.
I was a Calvinist for 8 to 10 years. And I can say for our teachers and leaders, as well for us laymen who confidently promoted Calvinism, that our answers and responses exposed us to be better politicians than Christians. We knew we had to avoid saying certain things and twist other things. And somehow we did it with a clear conscience. Hence, the cult nature of Calvinism.
I think this is my favorite of your videos. So clear and to the point, while putting on clear display how unclear and confusing the Calvinist systematic is.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
I like the fact that when questioned about their obvious conundrum, they are faced with giving an inconsistent answer. Bless that sister that came out to question Dr. JM.
I think that these disagreements are more based on interpretation, what to take literally and what to not take literally. I also think that people suffer from not realizing that they have the presumption that "if I can't fully comprehend it then it must not be real or true".... which is basically the atheist argument through the modern empiricist interpretation of the scientific method. Ultimately if the definition of Grace is "unmerited favor".. which it is. Then, what I think the problem is, is the assumption that people are basically good and that Hashem owes anybody salvation. If any man can be said to work with the grace that he has been given then he has to realize that this is basically the same argument of the medieval Roman Catholic Church which viewed Grace as a tangible substance of sorts making salvation essentially earned by works through the Sacraments, and agree with it.
@@enoch3874 Understanding this correctly is all answered by this, "if you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Heavenly Father give good gifts to those who ask Him?" So "basically good" means we know how to do good but we don't always do good therefore we are evil and need salvation.
@@sunshinegirl1967 neighbor I have to disagree with your definition of basically good.... I was using it to say something we are not. I was talking more about ability. Before Jesus how are we saved? That's the question. Since the question is soteriological in nature... what it really hinges on is what grace means and what Grace is... and the definition of that is really the answer to our question. .. be safe out there neighbor
@@enoch3874 Calvinism is not based on misinterpretation. It is a man made system read into scripture. The misinterpretation is secondary done purposefully to make the scripture appear as much as possible to fit with the Calvinists philosophical presuppositions.
Does Judaism make you sad? They were God's chosen people in the old testament? Where do you think everyone else went to when they died, who were not part of the covenant?
@@Heythere24561 It was uncommon and any time it was recorded in the bible it served Gods purpose. It doesn't refute election it actually reinforces it. Rehab was also a type and shadow of the gentile church. 100 billion people have lived and died and a vast majority of them didn't make it to heaven as I can see it. I dont know if God had another plan that we aren't privy to but apart from and without Christ, everyone goes to hell.
@@Heythere24561 As far as free will goes God has usurped the free will of more than one person in the bible. Jonah did not want to go to Nineveh but God sure made sure he went there. I do not believe Job wanted to go through the trials he went through but it was Gods will to put Job through some of the harshest trials a person can go through. God does with his creation as he wills. He is Sovern over all or not God at all. Free will is not some kryptonite that keeps God at bay. It didn't work for Saul before he became Paul. If God wants his man he gets him. I wasn't raised reformed I was raised between the Apostolic Pentecostal church and Baptist congregations. I don't believe the way I do now because I want it to be true but because it is how God has revealed his truth to me. God saved me, I had no hand in it. My faith was from his regeneration.
@@RadRelics Well stated. I had ever identified as any particular denomination, and checked out many churches as a young Christian. After years of maturing, I just read the bible, and really listened to what the Holy Spirit was showing me, as I digested the Word. I could not see around it, God chose me before the beginning of the World. Ephesians 1:4-6. If people would just read the text, and read it again and again, they would come to see how sovereign God has been from Genesis through Revelation. As I see it, we have free will except when it interferes with God's purpose. Peoples inflated assumption that this is about them, causes the confusion that they are little gods. Newsflash, we are just humans. We are the clay and the potter can mold us and our situations as He sees fit.
So I must humble my self and repent to be saved . So I must do something . The Bible says we are saved by grace and not of ourselves. Being born again is Gods work in us not Gods work with our assistance .
There's a lot of questions I cannot answer about Calvinism but my biggest question to non-Calvinists is: If Christ was punished for everyones sins, why are there going to be people in hell being punished for their sins?. If you say its because they rejected Christ, then does that mean Christ didn't die for all sins?. I had someone saying that the ultimate sin is the sin of unbelief, so does that mean Christ didn't die for all sins e.g sin of unbelief?. If GOD punished everyones sins on the cross of Christ, doesn't that mean there's no more sin left for GOD to punish?. Am not about to say that to be saved you need to be a Calvinist, if you believe in Christ ( who He is, what He's done...etc) the word of GOD assures you that you will be saved. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
John 3:16 doesn't answer that question. If Jesus died for every sin of all people then the sin of unbelief would be covered and so no one would go to hell. Here is a passage, one among many that says men will be judged for their "sins". Why would they be judged for their sins if Jesus died for them? Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead ones, the small ones and the great ones, standing before God. And books were opened. And another Book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead ones were judged out of the things written in the books, according to their works. @raymondshaffer1984
@@Tinstared Jesus died for the sins of all, but His propitiation only covers those that choose to accept it. Think of Jesus as holding an enormous umbrella, in Calvinism, people are programmed to either walk under the umbrella or outside of it, but God put them there because despite the Bible, Jesus, and missionary work, people can only see Jesus and the umbrella if God allows it. The bible actually says that people are given the choice to walk under the umbrella or not to, but Jesus, the bible, and followers of Christ are meant to point toward Jesus and His umbrella.
@@teeemm9456 The thing is, Christians will be sinless in heaven, because of Christ's atoning work on the cross. What you're saying is that the people in hell will also be sinless (for if Christ died for all sins, then there's no sin left for eternal punishment) as the ones in heaven?. God is just, He punished Christ for sins, He can never then punish us for the same sins He punished Christ for!. What Calvinism teaches is that after the fall of Adam, all men were headed to hell (the soul that sins shall die) but God in his mercy, grants some of the hellbound humans grace to heaven. He is not making us robots, because without His intervention, we would not want Him, that's why there are people who don't want to hear about God and there are people who desperately need Him. He gives life into our dead spirits and that's what causing believers to be different from non-believers.
G'day Leighton, it's wonderful to hear this message. Our Baptist Church in Tasmania was almost destroyed by a few Calvinists and this disgusting doctrine. We had to fight, but truth won out in the end. I'm so glad of the wise counsel you give on this, and hope we can stamp out this awful doctrine with good apologetics and a lot of prayer. Your resource is very valuable. It's also amusing for that lady in the video to have stumped John Macarthur in just a few seconds. Thanks again for your hard work in this essential field.
@@charliemichaels452 Dear Charlie, I never stated what I believe, so you have made yourself look extremely foolish. It's better to to keep your uninformed opinions to yourself until you have more evidence what the person speaking actually believes. Shooting your mouth off without having an accurate understanding of my belief system is moronic and demonstrates that you have been nominated today by many as being the village idiot. You are just another busybody doing what you do best. My comments were for Leighton and NOT you. Mind your own business and look for that plank in your eye Sunshine.
As far as I can see Calvinism was never was nor will ever be a “doctrine”. Anyone who believes it is has been mislead. Calvin only pointed out precepts in scripture that are factual. Men have twisted it into what it isn’t over the years into some cultish belief when it isn’t.
I still wish people would drop the "ists" and "isms". The apostle Paul rebuked those who cling to a following of a person rather than Jesus Christ. The question this lady asked is actually what most believers struggle to comprehend for years...and understandably so! We think we must be "Doing" something to be saved; even though we then 'seemingly' contradict ourselves by agreeing that we CANNOT earn our Salvation in any way. In fact, yes we do need to do those things... Repent and Believe. And yet not even those things Merits our Salvation. For Ephesians 2 tells us it is "BY GRACE [Unmerited favour] we are saved..." Grace remains undeserved....unmerited.... EVEN THOUGH we must Repent and Believe in Jesus Christ....even though we must not blaspheme the Holy Spirit....even though we must forgive others in order to enter Heaven. The great Word of God is Wonderful to Behold!
"Calvin's God is now the bully on the playground slapping a little kid with his own arm while mockingly telling him to 'quit hitting' himself." In Jer. 19:5 God says, "They have built pagan shrines to Baal, and there they burn their sons as sacrifices to Baal. I have never commanded such a horrible deed; it never even crossed my mind to command such a thing!" It's repeated in Jer 32:35 "And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.’" It's clear what God is saying. Yet, Calvinists have God denying He has done what Calvinists say He did. If they are telling the truth, this makes God a liar. Calvinists maintain God 'secretly' predestined them to murder their own children to a false God, denies He did, then God publicly punishes them for doing what God decreed they would do. Calvin's God is now the bully on the playground slapping a little kid with his own arm while mockingly telling him to 'quit hitting' himself.
@@jonathanmcgehee318 I'm happy to try an answer, but I'm not sure I understand your question. If God has determined already what every man will do and has not created man with the ability to choose to do otherwise, then then tells man in scripture to do that which he is powerless to do by God's decree. To me, that is like a bully on a playground slapping a kid with his own arm while mocking him to stop hitting himself. It's not a quote from someone else, I just applied an illustration from something many of us have seen childhood bullies do. For me, the question of man's "Total Depravity=Total Inability "from birth" is answered very clearly in Gen. 4, Cain was born no more or less fallen than any other man today but rather in the same spiritual condition as every man born throughout history except for John the Baptist who was filled with the spirit in his mother’s womb. God speaks to Cain before he has killed his brother in a manner which specifically declares Cain has the ability to do what is right.... i.e. a legitimate, genuine, ability to choose to do well. Gen 4:6-7; "And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him" In my opinion we cannot assume from this passage that God is being disingenuous with Cain, even mocking him about his ability to choose to do well. If Calvinist's assumptions are correct, it makes God out to be a liar almost from the start of creation. And isn't that exactly what Satan proposed to Eve in the Garden? I do not think this is a coincidence.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT I see! Yes, I love the illustration. I had assumed that it was a quote from somewhere else but could not find it online. I was raised in Calvinism and no alternatives were ever proposed to me. I should say I was indoctrinated. It wasn't until my 20s that I realized not every Christian believed what I was taught. I was happy to lay aside the whole Calvinistic system as it never made sense to me at all but I just blindly accepted it as true because of those teachers I had. Shame on me for not looking into it more before that. It has made me a skeptic for the rest of my life. So I loved your illustration but thought you were quoting someone else.
My husband would like to take you up on your open invitation to debate your soteriological position. Where and when can this take place? Thanks for being so confident in your position to be open for discussion.
Scripture is simply not on your husband’s side, and I suggest he watches some of Leighton’s videos before requesting a debate. Calvinism wasn’t even a suggestion for 1700 years after the Bible had begun to be written. It emerged 400 years after the death of Christ and the church following what was biblical, and has come and gone 4 times through church history. The only reason for it’s resurgence is the internet and people that take the internet for “Gospel.” God Bless you and your husband, but Calvinism is a heresy and a blasphemous theology that seems to largely attract western people that think they’ve found a sect to follow that doesn’t require the Fruits of the Spirit as proof of one being saved. It’s not just that Flowers has refuted all the “proof texts” of Calvinism, Calvinists still need to refute the Biblical texts which show that Calvinism’s suggested theologies are completely wrong as well.
Who is your husband? Leighton can’t debate every cage stage Calvinist that comes down the pipeline. You should first realize that not even the most prominent Calvinist theologians will debate Leighton. The great James White attempted once and got embarrassed so bad he won’t even have a conversation with Leighton let alone a debate.
@@julessoto137 Truth. On top of that, it’s followers get a kick out of thinking they have some kind of hidden knowledge (Gnosticism) that others don’t.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 foreknowledge is not fore ordination. Because a good God doesn't will for us to sin against him. He hates sin and doesn't desire it. That being said God knew we would sin and fore ordained salvation for that sin.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
@@melissabrown3976 we preach because Jesus said do it and on judgement day those who reject are held responsible for their refusal to accept the call to repent
To the Calvinist, children were predestined to go to hell before they were born (Piper) Calvinism is dark. Piper is a consistent Calvinist versus an inconsistent Calvinist or a waffling Calvinist It’s been said many times that Calvinists have the same vocabulary but a different dictionary So be careful that you are specific to the meaning of their words in context When they say determinism they actually mean fatalism When they say omniscient they actually mean Omni- deterministic And watch out for the false dichotomies They will ask you…Well, yes or no?!!! Take your time and identify the false dichotomy and then give them the answer which is neither one of the options they give you Give them the Biblical answer in context. It’s the context, then the context and finally the context that proves that Calvinism is false There is not one single verse or passage of Scripture that supports Calvinism Not one
why not break up the soil? or plant the seed? Or water living water)? Those that have questions. That is we are all called to do. Then if you bring them to the cross, leave it to God and them. 3 times Jesus said… “Unless you” - your choice “You will” - your future Matthew 18:3 to the disciples (never is a long time) it’s not that they couldn’t and they did … except for Judas who wouldn’t Luke 13:3,5 to folk like us and “all” means all here as in perishing… unless you John 8:24 speaking to the Pharisees “Indeed” but John 10:38 “may know and understand” KNOW AND UNDERSTAND??? Really? Jesus actually said they “may” know and understand? May, can, could, might …all words Calvinists dislike Yes even the Pharisees had an honest, bona fide offer of salvation. And it was a free offer His sacrifice for our sin. What an exchange!
Anti-theists claim that the Bible has contradictions. It doesn't, unless one is a Calvinist, as the lady in the video cites and MacArthur cannot explain.
One thing I don't like about these philosophy guys, is that they try to intellectualise scripture. They almost always end up humanising God and deifying man. This is dangerous ground. Also, there is another option which I have never seen as being considered by these "philosophers" and that is that two things can be true at once. The Calvinists have predestination spot on and it most certainly harmonises with salvation by the fact that we are saved by grace and not by works lest we should boast. Free choice is "works" and therefore boasting in that choice, is glorifying man's intellect. "Oh, I made the right choice". That's humanising God and deifying man. At the same time we do have free choice to sin or not sin. Or, to drink Coke or Pepsi and I don't think Calvinists would disagree with that free will choice. So, the harmonising of those scriptures is yes, we do have free will, but it only exists outside of salvation. Two seemingly opposing things can be true at the same time and still harmonise. The third "group of scriptures" are made up of the "whosoever should believe" (will be saved) scriptures and "to save all mankind" scriptures. The "whosoever shall believe" scriptures are "all" the predestined elect or chosen ones who are called by Christ and submit to His call (not by responding by free will choice) to His call. God foreknew who the "whosoever will believes" would be. Submission is not a free will choice. Ask any UFC fighter. They submit because a power greater than them brings them to their knees so to speak. When Christ called me, a power greater than myself called the Holy Spirit, literally brought me to my knees in submission. That was not a free will human choice that I made. It was God's grace enacted by the Holy Spirit. A power great than I called the Holy Spirit made me submit. It was the best person I have ever submitted to. The "all of mankinds" group are the non-elect. And the "all of mankind" scripture is God's desire, not a literal absolute. The elect are saved. The non-elect according to Revelation will be judged on the day of Judgement according to their deeds. God desires that "all" of mankind will be saved, but also foreknew there would be those who reject Him. God foreknew the risk of "free will" and therefore made provision for that by having chosen ones (the elect) and then made provision for "all of mankind" by judging them on the Day of Judgement according to their deeds, as stated in Revelation. That harmonises free will, "saving grace" versus free will works based "choice salvation", salvation for "all" is "all" the elect and "all" the non-elect. Two things can be true at once and still harmonise.
'...all the thoughts and intents of the hearts of man was only evil all of the time.' (Gen. 6:5) Yes, man is unable to recognize his inability to repent.
Had to listen to this three times and the illustration is awesome. When i have had unbelief and ungodly anger, immorality and failure i have somehow been taught to pray crazy things like, i am willing to be made willing, forgive me for my sins…again, take my guilt and shame, show me what i need to understand in a way i will understand, give me eyes to see ears to hear and a heart of understanding, JESUS, and you are my only hope and thank you for your blood and you said you would give anyone wisdom if they CRY OUT FOR IT GIVE ME WISDOM…there is so much more knowledge of God than any knowledge we can ever learn..that’s amazing. God is good.
@ohamiboringyou - I love what you said about how you pray when you fail. That is so honest and raw and an excellent example of crying out for wisdom while acknowledging our failure. But I am trying to understand why you said "we are taught to pray crazy things like....". Do you think that kind of prayer is wrong?
Amen brother and God bless. I would however direct your attention to God saying I will give you a new heart of flesh and not of stone, and a new Spirit will I put in you, and ye shall keep my commandments and my laws. This was said to unbelieving Israel, after they had spent their years denying God and God had decided to bring an end to their covenant because nobody was following the rules of it, as it is said in Hebrews. The point I'm making is that your prayer only makes sense if people are truly saved ONLY by the decision of God. Will God measure a different measure to those who believe and those who don't believe? NO! He will judge every man for his works and he will cause every man to die, unless Jesus comes first then those who believe shall be risen up to him in glory forever. Even this is beyond our ability, how much more then is it beyond our ability to save our selves? How does one save themselves? They can't. They must be saved, someone else has to take up the slack, which for all men is through and through to the very soul we have because of sin, as it is written, he restoreth my soul. What is the soul, bit the place where our desires spring from and to what we are bound? It is the place of our sorrow or our rejoicing, as it is written, my soul doth magnify the Lord. Jesus is telling you that he wants you to abstain from men, and trust solely in him, that though it is hard to understand, he has a perfect plan and mind, that will always reconcile itself because he doesn't lie or make mistakes.
Why do Calvinists continuously create a false equivalency between accepting Salvation and "saving one's self?" -- If I accept someone as my King/ruler, that is NOT at all the same as ruling myself. The same is true for accepting Salvation.
@@araeshkigal if you accept someone as your ruler and king that us in fact the same thing as ruling yourself. YOU CHOSE the king. Therefore the king is only your king by YOUR choice. Jesus Christ is already King. We are commanded to believe in him. Faith is the evidence of things not seen. We are simply being shown something that is already true. Whether or not we accept it or not it still remains true. But there is no man who would choose Jesus Christ if they had the ability, nor indeed can they. The Apostle Paul himself said that no man can approach that light where Christ dwells. How then can a man choose him who is Light. We are light IN the Lord Jesus Christ. We come to the light because he brings us in, to see whether our works are good or evil as John says. He even says that no man knows the Son but the Father. How then can we choose a king we don't know. Isn't that also telling you that he makes us believe that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father? Hallelujah I dint even realize this till now and yet it's so true. So it is with everything God says, it is true every way you say it.
My impression of MacArthur is that his heart is quite hardened because of his arrogance. I wish he could, for his sakes, find even a small amount of humility.
These are the words of Jesus in John 6:44 l. “ No one can come to me unless drawn by the Father who sent me; and I will raise that person up on the last day. It is written in the prophets, “And they shall all be taught by God.” Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.” The father has to draw them first! Salvation is a free gift that cannot be earned or won, its is by grace through faith. It’s by Gods mercy. This is the gospel whether or not people like it.
Thank you Lord! I believe the staircase illustration displays the core issue with Calvinism. I am going to watch this again to make sure I understand and then share it with others. God bless you Dr Flowers.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8. Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
I was an atheist most of my adult life. I pretty instantly went from not wanting anything to do with God, to Jesus being my whole life. I, therefore, fell into the false doctrine of Sproul/MacArthur Calvanism early into my walk, because it initially seemed to explain my experience. I'll encourage you with this: if you obey the scriptures in Matt 6:33 and seek the truth DAILY (that is, read the bible diligently) and avoid pride (that is, you're more concerned with finding truth rather than winning a debate), the Holy Spirit will guide you out of ANY false doctrine. REMEMBER: John 14:26, John 16:13, Isaiah 30:21
Good point. The most secure calvinists seem to be those who had a strong conversion experience later in life through a non-calvinist preaching, and then find calvinism when searching for stronger doctrine. Those who grow up in calvinist households have a hard time because they don't have a conversion experience as 'proof' of them being chosen.
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do? When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, "Who then can be saved?" But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
@@NeverThirstAgain888 it says, "*WITH* God" friend. Untangle yourself from that wicked web of holes and false doctrine and seek the truth with all of your heart. *WITH* God all things are possible.
@@saintsoftheking It is not WITH as in WITH you and God... It is Christ alone....Salvation belongeth unto The Lord.. Let us bow down our faces into the dirt and give Christ the glory He alone deserves
DR. Flowers you make it so simple to understand why the Calvinistic view of predestination is no way shape or form Biblical! The stairs analogy is masterful, Wow _Just wow!
Another great video from Leighton :) So John MacArthur has a special hotline into God's thinking to the point where he knows what is true even when there is no evidence.
“Absolute DETERMINISTIC sovereignty of God” philosophically sound good but it’s NOT in the Bible. That is the core belief of TULIP. Take that out and TULIP, a beautiful flower cannot flourish.
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do? When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, "Who then can be saved?" But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
“No man can come to me except the Father first call him.” It requires the Father to begin the call to Jesus. This does not reduce the call to a limited few. Ultimate the Father will call everyone, according to His timing.
2 Peter 3:9 - "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
@@fathervader the real Calvinism killer is 2 Peter 3 9 + 1 Corinthians 8 10-11 1 Corinthians 8 10-11 For if someone with a weak conscience sees you who are well informed eating in an idol’s temple, will he not be encouraged to eat food sacrificed to idols? So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 2 Peter 3 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Even if you go the Calvinist route and interpret parish to mean temporarily falling into sin and Peter's words to apply only to the church, you still have a contradiction because the word for destroyed and parish are the same in Greek. Peter said God is not willing that it should happen to a Christian and Paul is saying it can happen to a Christian. So something God doesn't will can still happen.
NASB Bible. John 6:38-46 [38]For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. [39]This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. [40]For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." Words to the Jews [41]Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, "I am the bread that came down out of heaven." [42]They were saying, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, 'I have come down out of heaven'?" [43]Jesus answered and said to them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. [44]No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. [45]It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught of God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. [46]Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father. NASB Bible. Romans 3:9-18 [9]What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; [10]as it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one; [11]There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; [12]All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one." [13]"Their throat is an open grave, With their tongues they keep deceiving," "The poison of asps is under their lips"; [14]"Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness"; [15]"Their feet are swift to shed blood, [16]Destruction and misery are in their paths, [17]And the path of peace they have not known." [18]"There is no fear of God before their eyes." NASB Bible. Ephesians 2:1-10 [1]And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, [2]in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. [3]Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. [4]But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, [5]even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), [6]and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, [7]so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. [8]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [9]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. [10]For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
“No man can come to me, unless The Father who has sent me will draw him. "John 6:44 Bible is absolutely clear that "Salvation Belongs to Our God" and NOT to human reason or intellect or even so-called freewill or choice Amen
@@rahulshinde6210 you are not even understanding the verse you quote - the Father ALWAYS draws and we can resist or believe in His grace THROUGH FAITH. Read carefully!
Actually, after listening carefully, I believe God actually does aid all men, even if just through general revelation first.... God is not hidden and he doesn't give commands that he doesn't want fulfilled.
Thanks so much for being a reasonable voice on this issue! You have no idea how much you've helped me get the awful Calvinist idea out of my head. I never even thought about it like a calvinist until I met someone at a Bible study who was a calvinist, and now he's not even coming to the Bible study anymore, but his ideas have been impressed into a couple of people's minds in our Bible study group.
@Rick Soldier of God well, I hope that the word of God and the God of the word had the final say, we shouldn't let anyone tell us what is true about God's word when we have it at our fingertips and the ability to study it for ourselves, not to mention that the holy spirit and Christ himself are our teachers at the end of the day, or should be.
@Rick Soldier of God Also Dr Michael Brown has a great debate with Dr James White on this very topic. For anybody out there reading this who have had these ridiculous ideas representing God's true character, listen to these men mentioned above. Calvinism or should I say Augustinian theology is a false interpretation of God's character.
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do? When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, "Who then can be saved?" But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
That passage you're quoting talks about a rich man clinging to his wealth i.e. earthly goods. The disciples obviously recognized that they're also clinging to such things in one way or the other (as probably everybody is) and utter their bewilderment. The answer is obviously to trust in God, not goods.
@@NeverThirstAgain888 If we are saved, we are saved by God's grace. Those who are lost are lost not because God desires that they should be lost but because of their own fault. This is the Lutheran understanding, which lacks the Calvinist rigor of logic but is closer than it to the Biblical data, or so it seems to me.
When you said, God did send assistance with the Scriptures, the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ, that sealed it for me. I wasn’t raised Calvinist, but I’ve always struggled with the idea of whether I was chosen. You just made it clear to me that I’ve had what I need (the assistance) to make a decision. Thank you so much.
If Satan has deceived and blinded the minds of the world, why and how would that blinded person ever admit they are sinners in need of a Savior without God stepping in?
You are answering philosophically and not biblically. Scripture trumps philosophy in every scenario. The Bible said it's one way, so it can't be another way. Where in Scripture does it say what you said? Jesus already defeated the death at the cross, and the enemy is weakened.
I would imagine many Calvinists' answer to "All men everywhere to repent" (Acts 17:30) would be something along the same lines as their approach to 1 Timothy 2:4. Instead of simply letting the text say what it says, ("All men") they offer: "All KINDS of men." Similar to Jehovah's Witnesses' adding "a" to John 1:1 - "And the Word was ("a") God."
Acts 17:30 "The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands ALL people everywhere to repent." Gosh now THAT solves all the problems of the entire world! God commands "ALL people EVERYWHERE to repent so of course knowing how compliant and obedient people are I am sure THAT 100% OF THEM WILL REPENT! God COMMANDED IT. After all even a casual reading of the bible shows how eager people to receive God's commands and immediately stop sinning.
Thank you. I thought I was crazy thinking this Calvinistic view isnt right. It's insane. I dont understand why Godly, Bible-studying, praying people would believe it.
It is written of Satan - 2Cor.11 [14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. He wants you to not pay attention to 2Cor.11 [14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Satan wants you to ignore Gal.1 [8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. ANY OTHER GOSPEL? Gal.2 [7] But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision (Gentile)was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision(Jews only) was unto Peter; Peter had a different gospel which promised them eternal life thru the Kingdom in Mt Zion aka Jerusalem. There are several way to show this but John the Baptist was just born and his dad gave a prophecy of what was to come because the Christ was going to be born to preach the message contained in Luke 1 [67] And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, [68] Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, [69] And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; [70] As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: [71] That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; [72] To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; [73] The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, [74] That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, [75] In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. [76] And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; [77] To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, [78] Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, Verse 72 = Romans 15:8 when Jesus was ministering to the Jews only. Verse 77=covering of sin not forgiveness like we are forgiven. Remission of sin is different. It is a covering up. When the Jew sinned the blood was void until confession and sacrifice was made. Mark 1 [3] The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. [4] John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. [14] Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, (aka the gospel of the circumcision that Peter preached -see Gal. 2:7) [15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. A RECORD OF SIN IS KEPT FOR THOSE UNDER THE OT COVENANT WHICH PETER IS FOLLOWING. THAT IS FOLLOWING MOSES AS CHRIST ADVOCATED. Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. We are not sheep we are new creatures saved and given eternal life by complete forgiveness of our sins and we are risen as Christ was resurrected from death. Our dwelling place, our life is in Heaven. If you do not make the separation of the gospel for us and the gospel of the circumcised aka of the kingdom you could be lost.
“No man can come to me, unless The Father who has sent me will draw him. "John 6:44 Bible is absolutely clear that "Salvation Belongs to Our God" and NOT to human reason or intellect or even so-called freewill or choice Amen
@@rahulshinde6210 "And I, if I be lifted up, will draw ALL men unto myself". John 12:32 That drawing: 1. Cannot be irresistible. 2. Has to be sincere. 3. Cannot be in disagreement with the drawing of the Father.
@@TommyGunzzz Love is NOT the absence of differences. but it embraces & loves & honors that person in spite of differences . Love involves disagreement.
If men could believe & save themselves after hearing (or reading) the Gospel ON THEMSELVES (without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST) then majority (if not all) Catholics would have been saved cos they have been hearing (& even reading) the Bible (Gospel) since childhood for many years. We know most (if not all) Catholics can give an intellectual assent even a hearty assent (if u will) to the truth that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and was raised on the third day and they would profess that truth daily, but they are still NOT born-again if that was the case they would have been saved. Thus, I would infer that ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved Amen
@@rahulshinde6210 so you just passed judgement (sentencing) the exact thing Jesus said never to do. You have now become the authority on the salvation of millions. Calvinists are so good at trying to pick out the speck out of their brothers eyes and don't look at the one in theirs
Because you're going to guys like Flowers to explain it. And they but her it every time. That's what happens when a semi pelagian heretic puts on a suit, gets a basic bachelor's in theology and starts a new Theology system and gets on RUclips. This entire comment section is a prime example of why atheists stump Christians in debates on Christianity. Sad stuff.
Praise the Lord I found you Dr. Flowers, and Warren, and Tim, and all open thiests! Calvinism has been such a theological quagmire in my ongoing Truth Journey that I started back in 2001. If we are determined for hell and God picks and chooses who is predestined for hell then we have no hope in Jesus' death and resurrection.
Ma'am, don't let it scare you. The key thing is to get understanding as the word says...in all thy getting, get understanding. There is one doctrine in the word of God that if understood and kept and allow it to guide you, everything will open up gradually, and this, I stake my life on it. Only if you will allow... I'm not going to tell you what to believe , you're going to allow the word of God to speak... please reply. I also have some other things to say for the first time in my life, I feel really bad about the Muslims. Let me tell you why. All these years since its first Inception , we already know it's not the truth, but what their leaders did was a great deception. They lied to their people and said it came from heaven, then said all Qurans are the same. The fact of the matter is the Quran was put together by their, so called Muslim scholars. The date will shock you , and if I am not mistaken, 1924. And it was canonized later on in the 1900's. Which means that it is not a part of Antiquity, and their leaders know this. Their tactics are just to say, "The bible is corrupt." And it's not, but all this to save face ? Honor killings, brain washing the kid's, making the woman a second-hand citizen. None the lest God is calling his people out. I used to debate them and get all emotional ,i.e., and angry, but I feel bad for them. Their mission was to get everyone to believe that the bible was corrupt. Just please tell people to pray for them.
Just read Ephesians (the first and second chapters) with Romans 9. Proverbs 16:4 " The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom." You call God's sovereignty and election "Calvinism" I call these precious doctrines of grace, wonderful correct exegesis of God's inerrant word. Arminian thinking is about as erroneous as LDS and JW theology. In fact I use the doctrines of grace to witness to cultists like Mormons. They don't like them! - J.B.
So incredibly sad. Truly, his answer is, "I don't know why God sent his son to die and we don't understand why he would ask all mankind to repent." This is crystal clear in his answer, Calvinism is a foreign gospel. I don't even like calling it a gospel because the death it preaches is all bad news.
@@conservativemama3437 Really? Give two examples of that type of predestination. Your definition of "predestination" isn't biblical. The biblical definition would be that because God knew you would choose to believe because He saw the entirety of creation and time, then you would believe when it finally came to pass. He didn't choose to make you believe. And even within that biblical predestination, there's certain things that were predestined which don't ever happen because something changed it. God warned David that Saul was coming to the city David was hiding in, so David left and because David left, Saul didn't go to that city.
@@tannerfrancisco8759 says who? You? There are many verses on election. The Bible is full of them. I hated the idea of election and was quite offended by it as well. Once I sat down and read the Bible from cover to cover, I could not deny that I had been wrong. It was my pride to think I could be in charge of choosing God. Only through the power of His Spirit could I have come to Him in faith. It’s all a gift of mercy-from beginning to end. Prayer is quite different a topic than election. We are told to pray. And the language of God changing His mind is said in a way that we can understand. God is immutable-unchanging. His sovereign will will be done. Not one that He plans to save will be lost. That is actually a comfort to us, not scary.
People who are against Calvanism typically how a low level understanding of scripture. The reality is, scripture supports Calvanism and it makes the gospel so much sweeter. We cannot be saved by our own works, our own decision, our own strength but rather it’s only by the grace of God giving us underserved mercy and grace. Salvation is a gift that is unearned. Whether you like it or not this is the gospel and Calvanism is based on the gospel.
God predestined people to heaven and hell before the foundation of the world. God can sin by using people to do his bidding but they are at fault for it though. It’s for his pleasure and glory. God can do whatever he wants.
The arch-heretic"?!?! /in Mike Goldberg voice/ ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? And Leighton.... "God effectually humbling you is what judgement is. If you wait for God to effectually humble you it'll be too late." WOW. You said a mouthful right there. That's heavy.
God bless you Dr. Flowers. Thank you for being such a blessing in bringing people out of calvinism through your great teaching and rebuttals of calvinism. I have a friend in New York that has been indoctrinated by reading books authored by R. C. Sproul. I debated him last week and sent him a couple of your teachings exposing the errors of calvinism. God bless you
If men could believe & save themselves after hearing (or reading) the Gospel ON THEMSELVES (without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST) then majority (if not all) Catholics would have been saved cos they have been hearing (& even reading) the Bible (Gospel) since childhood for many years. We know most (if not all) Catholics can give an intellectual assent even a hearty assent (if u will) to the truth that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and was raised on the third day and they would profess that truth daily, but they are still NOT born-again if that was the case they would have been saved. Thus, I would infer that ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved Amen
@@marcc325 draw here is strong as in drag. the same word as in John 21:11 and other places. i will draw all kinds of people both Jew and gentile not all without exception. When the Holy Spirit comes he WILL convict... (Jn 16) if you're not convicted the Holy Spirit has not convicted you.
@@ephs145 In his analogy, he wasn't leaving his kids to their own devices. They knew he was there and what he wanted them to do and never indicated that he wouldn't help them. What Romans 3:11 means is that without God's intervention, no one would seek Him. That is true. You don't have to be a Calvinist to believe that. HOWEVER, Hebrews 11:6 says He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. So, do Romans 3:11 and Hebrews 11:6 contradict each other? Of course not, right? They have different contexts. You apparently read Romans 3:11 and don't take Hebrews 11:6 into account, so you conclude that no one ever seeks Him. That would make nonsense out of Hebrews 11:6. Clearly, people can seek Him. How? By learning about Him through reading or hearing God's word. Once people become aware that God wants them to seek Him they can choose to do so or not. When people become aware that they are sinners who need to repent of their sins, they can choose to do so or not. They can choose to reach out for God to help them be who He wants them to be or they can choose to rebel. Look at Acts 7:51 where Stephen was talking to the Sanhedrin and religious Jews of his day and said "You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!". How does Calvinism get around a verse like this? This verse shows that the Holy Spirit can be resisted. We know that God wanted them to repent, but they were not willing and chose not to. That's what Jesus had earlier said this in Matthew 23:37-38: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate.". It isn't that God doesn't want some people to repent, it's that some willingly choose not to do so. He commands all people to repent of their sins because all people are capable of choosing to do so. This is the only way it makes sense for God to punish people on judgment day. How does it make any sense for God to condemn people for not repenting and believing if they didn't even have the ability to do so? That makes no sense whatsoever. It does make sense for Him to do that if they were capable of doing so, but stubbornly chose to rebel instead. Scripture never teaches that people are not able to make a choice about these things. Joshua said to his fellow Israelites of his day: "But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.” (Joshua 24:15). So, he clearly believed that all people were capable of making the choice of either serving the Lord, serving the gods their ancestors served or serving the gods of the Amorites. That's true for all people. All people are capable of either choosing to serve the Lord or choosing to serve false gods or whoever or whatever else they want to serve.
Thank you for producing and posting this video. I have always believed one of the main keys to understanding scripture, is to take its content at face value, applying the simplest and obvious understanding of its teaching. If we all like sheep, have gone astray, I do not believe G-d would make understanding His words, beyond the scope of the minds He has given us, however limited they may be.
There is so much bad doctrine in Christiandom but then it is prophesied of in scripture. Why did Jesus come, the Son of God, made known in the flesh? He came to, first and foremost; Rom.15 [8] Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: - He came to His own, Jews and HIs own rejected Him, John 1:11. He did not give His life but to some as in many would be, some. Matt.20 [28] Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. But when HIs own kept rejecting their Christ aka Messiah, a different and unique apostle who was known to the Jews as Saul but to Gentiles, known as Paul to be the minister of the uncircumcision aka Gentiles. When this happened and the prophecies concerning Christ in the OT were completed, except the Kingdom, Paul could tell us mysteries that Calvinist and most of Christiandom ignore. So the time was right and so it is written - 1Tim.2 [6] Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. - But now the message is not for everyone because the circumcision is now having to forget about the hope of eternal life in the KIngdom until the Lord is satisfied with the fulness of the Gentiles. He will have mercy on those to whom He will have mercy and so the nation of Israel had to go thru the payment of or paying back for their sins in the tribulation. The nation is purged of sinners and so it is written by Paul - Rom.11 [26] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: It will be a fulfillment of this OT scripture which is for the Jews alone. Isa.59 [20] And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. How exclusive did the church aka saved Jews in Jerusalem view things? Isa.1 [27] Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. Isa.51 [11] Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away. So when time got hard for them in Zion they fled Acts.11 [19] Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only TO WHO? JEWS ONLY the message was not the same as the message of salvation is today. Today all can be saved 1 Tim 2:6 the time is now for all to be saved but you have to believe the correct salvation message. Eternal life is not in the Kingdom with the tree of life it is because Jesus shed His blood, died, was buried and resurrected from the dead and we are too. Quickened means to be made alive again. The importance is of life and death. 1Cor.15 [36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: Eph.2 [1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; [5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) Col.2 [13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; MORE TO CONSIDER Gal.2 [20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. YOU CAN NOT FIND THIS OUTSIDE OF PAUL'S EPISTLES 1Cor.12 [13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. AND Col.2 [12] Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. FINALLY our lives are in heaven on in a Kingdom meant for a holy nation with a kingdom full of priests. Exod.19 [6] And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. We are not spiritual Israel. Israel is set aside for the time being until the right time determined by God. If you do not separate these issues you might be one the way south, H, E, double hockey sticks. You get the picture. Satan doesn't care if you believe the bible just don't believe Paul and he's got you. Many a cult which are lost and bound for hell claim to believe scripture too.
@@tims.449 All praise and glory be unto The Lord. Many people overlook the Mystery revealed unto Paul and the Apostles. As a student of only the Old Testament for the early part of my life, in retrospect I can see how logical it was for the early followers of Messiah, to bridle at the introduction of Gentiles into the Assembly. References in the Tanakh, regarding the inclusion of nonJews into God's plans for Israel, almost always focused on them conjoining themselves to Israel. No doubt this led to the rise of a Judaizing faction within the early church. It was not until a direct revelation from The Lord (Acts 26:16-18), revealed how He would use the rejection of Jesus, as the promised Messiah by Israel's national rulers, to spread the message of Salvation to Gentiles. Few realize how easier it would have been on Gentiles had they undergone circumcision. Jews at that time were permitted special dispensation by Rome, not to participate in Roman festivals and rituals, nor were they required to bow down to Roman gods, idols, standards etc; as well as being released from laws of conscription through payment of specific taxes. As converts to Judaism (Messianic followers were considered a sect within Judaism at that time) Gentiles would have fallen under this caveat in Roman law, but because they were not to be circumcised, persecutions against them ensued. In the early days of the Church, Paul's teachings met with strong opposition by large segments of Judaism. Today they are met with opposition by large segments on nonJewish sources, who as you accurately point out tims.449, claim to believe in scripture.
If men could believe & save themselves after hearing (or reading) the Gospel ON THEMSELVES (without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST) then majority (if not all) Catholics would have been saved cos they have been hearing (& even reading) the Bible (Gospel) since childhood for many years. We know most (if not all) Catholics can give an intellectual assent even a hearty assent (if u will) to the truth that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and was raised on the third day and they would profess that truth daily, but they are still NOT born-again if that was the case they would have been saved. Thus, I would infer that ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved Amen
@@rahulshinde6210 wrong. Thats making an inferred conclusion from his claim which is misunderstood. He didn't say reading the bible is irresistibly effective in causing everyone who reads it to be saved. He just said that he provided a way so that by reading it you may know what to do to be saved. People are still people tho, if in the hardness of their heart they corrupt this message for themselves through sinfulness and sins desire. Thats on them. God told them and they did not listen. Side note, I would wonder how many catholics actually ARE saved, majority do believe jesus died for their sins and are repentant, with out having any knowledge of the truly false catholic doctrines. Who are we to tell. Thats in God's hands. I reject your conclusion, I think its baseless.
@@skylercutsforth8595 If man had ANY part or partnership in saving themselves (contribution or collaboration) with God then man shud too get glory, but God says I shall never share my glory to anyone
@@rahulshinde6210 Its not a partnership in salvation. Gods gift, all from him bro. He commands us to accept it so thats what we do, faith is not a work. it doesnt merit anything
_You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?_ Romans 9: 19-21
It isn't "can't", it's "won't". The problem with the rabid hate filled zealots here is they refuse to see mankind in its current state, dead in trespasses and sins, unable to do good. Instead they push language like yours, "they just can't, they really want to, they love God and Jesus but God didn't choose them so he has to force them back." The father has elected his children from before earth was formed, given to the son, and the son died for them, calls them, justified them, holds them, keeps them, and his children hear and obey his voice. Despite the anger, insults, arrogance, of the haters here, you just have to keep studying and see God has a plan for his creation, and does what he wants with it, both to show great mercy and great wrath and justice. Calvinism hate group here cannot stand the idea that God is sovereign over his creation, it's poison to their ears to think anybody other than mankind itself is in control. Jesus death on the cross didn't save one soul, it merely provided a way for people to come to their senses and save themselves by accepting it. Pretty big risk on Jesus part to assume any dead, sinfilled people who have no good works in them, will decide to accept the gift. After all, God can't change them until they ask for it. And the elect chosen before the foundations of the earth, just ignore it, God would never pick someone by force! Nowhere in scripture do we see God choosing someone for himself right? God doesn't just choose people, where is that written? I know the debate rages on, but don't be easily swayed by mockery and insults, there are powerful strong arguments both sides make.
Many lessons in the Bible are non-doctrinal so that people can understand. As we are sinful, we cannot contribute anything to our salvation. God predetermined everything before creation, and in this natural life, we play our part in the unfolding of God's plan.
As a favorite preacher once said, "the Gospel is simple. It takes a theologian to make it confusing"
What is the Gospel?
@@mlauntube Jesus Christ saves through listening and learning from the old testament in light of the new testament teachings and guidance from the gifted spiritual Leader
@@nemabubunigeoffrey4842 What? Is that what you think the gospel is?
@@nemabubunigeoffrey4842not even close
@mlauntube The Gospel is that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, (John 3:16) he was buried and rose from the grave the third day. And if you believe that he did that for you, you will have eternal life.
I am here in Africa, Zimbabwe 🇿🇼.
This is an important ministry you are leading Dr Flowers and your team.
Its a big resource forestry from whence we get rightful and insightful information about our common faith.
Here in Africa and in particular my country, Calvinism is less pronounced.
Few know about it, but these Calvinists are beginning to make steady in-roads into streets and communities as does Adventists, Mormon's, Branhamites and JW's which groups are entrenched here.
Calvinists are so subtle, few realise they led astray when they are already entangled in there.
We'll appreciate prayer from your ministry much as you need ours.
Praise the Lord.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 My brother, you are spewing copy and paste rhetoric. All of the verses you mentioned have been answered with much simplicity. Non-calvinist views answer these verses more appropriately while agreeing with all of Scripture as a whole.
@@4everMayito I disagree. Those verse explicitly teach election and predestination. Did you read them?
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 I've also studied them. When you try to fit a calvinist explanation you end up foregoing many other verses that clearly state we have a choice in the matter. Of course, without Jesus dying on the cross, then any and all choices become moot. But because He did die on the cross we have the option to become children of God.
John 4:12, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name."
You can see that the key word is "believe on his name". That action in itself is not a work as stated in Romans 3:27, "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith." (KJV)
You have to claim that faith is a work for our choice to believe to become invalid. I've seen people go through some mental gymnastics just to try and explain how faith is indeed a work even when scripture says it isn't.
Anyways, I recommend Mike Winger's videos on this subject. If you have anyone else you can recommend me I'll happily keep looking into your proposed ideas. I am open minded but I haven't seen scripture support Calvinism in any significant way so far.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689I’d recommend and encourage you not only read verses that back up your beliefs but take scripture in as a whole. If you do that you’ll see Calvinist beliefs don’t stack up, and context matters. Certain things are predestined in Gods plan but we have free will and choice in the matter of salvation, God has foreknowledge of everything inside His creation (Space, Time, Matter) because He is outside of it. He knows what’s going to happen but He doesn’t choose for us, He just sees our choices. I encourage you to keep searching and listening to Dr Flowers and other good teachers. Also look into the history too, but mainly read all of Scripture in context and don’t just cherry pick. I’ve seen so many mistakes happen and misinterpreted verses because people lack the understanding of the context of those verses. I hope and pray you’ll look into it more. 🙏✝️🙏
"That's just the way it is." 1 Hesitations 6:21.
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In Spanish lol.
Isn’t that the biblical book written by Tupac? 😂😂😂😂
TULIPpians 3:46 - "You don't understand calvinism."
I am made perfect as God tells us because I died on the cross with Jesus Christ and made perfect in the eyes of God. It’s the imputed righteousness of Jesus that allows me to be glorified in the end.
She gave him scriptures that already explained it - but he didn’t agree with the Bible.
@@keith3362 John MacArthur preaches against biblical commands in other areas too....yet, the masses love him.
Thats a strong claim
Macarthur never has any joy when he preaches - the reason of course being, that Calvinism is a false cult - that - like any other cult, puts all the burden on the shoulders of the people. How ironic, that the self proclaimed "elect" do not even know for sure if they are saved.
Unless they "die in the faith" they say. This is why people like Macarthur have no joy and people like Washer always look like they are in torment on the inside - for they are. They have no assurance of salvation, because they do not believe in God's promises, but trust in their own, sinful walk.
Prodigal son parable against total depravity idea. The father didn't call the son back or force him home. Son came to himself & recognized his condition on his own. He humbled himself, repented.
Ephesians 1:4-6 will BLOW YOUR MIND. Proverbs 21:1. and Ezekiel 36:26-37 will show you something very special.
@@950cindy Calvinism is false. If u think you're elected to salvation then you believe a false gospel. He came to save the WORLD. 1 Tim says God desires all be saved therefore He doesn't create anyone w/o ability to respond. U make Him responsible for sin. He also repays according to our deeds & came to save the world. Jesus chose disciples yet one was a devil. If God already decided who goes to hell at the beginning then Satan is a victim taking the blame. That's ur predestined heresy.
@@roxxiefoxx2884 Satan doesn't send people to hell, God does. We are destined for hell as soon as we're born because of our sinful nature inherited from Adam. Our sins send us to hell not Satan.
@@melissabrown3976 No! You are blaming God for mans choice & sin. U need to repent! Bible clearly says God desires ALL man be saved & that He is merciful to ALL His creations. Says we will be held accountable for OUR DEEDS not His. God pleads in Ezekiel for the people to turn & not die. Ur saying God is mocking them if He created them unable to turn. That's false.
Son had a heartbroken father praying for him daily 😊
One of the most revealing passages to me against Calvinism is this:
Numbers 14:11
King James Version
11 And the Lord said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them?
Calvinists seem to me that they pretend to know more theology than God himself. When the Lord asks this question to Moses probably someone should have sent Calvin from the future to explain to God and Moses that they can't believe until He provides them with "irresistible grace" otherwise they can't act upon Moses's prophecies and God's miracles.
Numbers 14:11:"another death blow indeed!👍
David: EXCELLENT example.
If Calvinists understood the human nature God actually created, as described throughout scripture, they would not make illogical, unfounded arguments.
What did God create in humans that causes humans to be obedient AND disobedient?
Answer: Desire and will.
God created both, human desire and will, without placing any limits on either.
Love is voluntary, not compulsory.
The same root desire (created by God) that leads a man to love and commit to a woman, is the SAME desire that leads a man to commit adultery.
Scripture instructs us, " control your desires."
Desire is the root of righteousness and the root of rebellion.
@@sheilasmith7779 Thank you, sister. As I continue my daily bible reading I've encountered many passages like this. If Calvinism is true that would have more serious implications
from Exudos 17-3 for example :
But the people were thirsty for water there, and they grumbled against Moses. They said, “Why did you bring us up out of Egypt to make us and our children and livestock die of thirst?”
If Calvinism is true then the Israelites were right that the purpose of God was not set them free but to kill them in the desert. God forgive me if I'm wrong, but for me, the bible is clear that the purpose of God was to save them and give life to them.
But he said to him if they don't not hear Moses and the prophets neither will they be persuaded through one rise from the dead Luke 16:31.. no matter what anybody tells you the reason you don't believe in irresistible Grace is because you have not truly repented Luke 16:30 all false teachings come from unrepentant heart. What did the Lazarus have to do to be risen from the dead by Christ when he was dead that's exactly how we are dead but when Christ resurrection power pulls you out that's what church means think of someone drowning and someone reaches grabs him by the shoulders and pulls them out that's irresistible Grace
How can you believe who receives honor from one another and do not see the honor that comes from the only god? Do not think that I shall accuse you to the father there is one who accuses you Moses in whom you trust for if you believed Moses you would believe me for he wrote about me but if you do not believe his writings how will you believe my words? John 5:44-47
Just crazy the answer of McCarthur… is easy to see how Calvinism is so wrong
The more I listen to the explanations of Calvinism the more I realise how twisted and confusing it is, and thankfully I'm actually starting to "make sense" of the confusion. The Gospel is very simple. Calvinists seem to overthink things intellectually and then because they do it with one part of the Bible they have to manipulative other texts to fit the first one.
It’s not intellectual, actually. Because you cannot logically reason through the concepts: A cannot equal -A. They are just repeating what they’ve been told assuming it’s true. That’s where devil lies… when these people “pick up” stuff from other humans instead of seeking God personally (as God actually wants), there is a stunting of spiritual growth. It’s basically the Catholic religion just a slightly less errant and severe version.
@@stove2717 could you please explain that last statement
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do?
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying,
"Who then can be saved?"
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them,
"With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
@@shaunhunterit342 the Catholic Church rules by appeal to authority (whatever they says is right) and they discourage individuals from reading the Bible and seeking God themselves. The Calvinists tend to do the same. They read all their reformed books and even if you find inconsistencies and fallacies when compared with scripture they just say you are wrong with no evaluation of the issue. It’s just a very closed minded group honestly. There are many truly saved Calvinists who just are doing what they are told. Also most of the non reformed churches nowadays are completely worldly so they aren’t helping the case against Calvinism.
@@NeverThirstAgain888 great point! If God does not intervene there is not a hope for anybody! But that’s still a far cry from we cannot reason or be persuaded as human beings. But minus God we have no hope
I really like how the woman asks her question. She polite, kind, and softspoken, clearly not trying to "gotcha" John MacArthur, just trying to square a circle. "Mystery" is not an answer; it's a copout.
Then Romans 9:20 is a copout
Is mystery really a copout? Are there not many mysteries in scripture? Are not God’s ways and God’s thoughts higher than man’s ways and thoughts (Isaiah 55)? Or do we not believe that about God?
Wasn’t it a mystery to our brother Job when he suffered great tribulation as ax righteous man? And God did not even disclose his sovereign prerogative to grant Satan permission to torment Job. You don’t think that was a complete mystery to Job? Not to mention, it was seemingly unloving on God’s part to deliberately NOT reveal the bigger picture. Mystery to Job? I think so.
Was it not a mystery to Joseph, who understood the sovereignty of God, when he was almost killed by his jealous brothers, then sold into slavery, falsely accuse of rape, placed in prison, perhaps for years. And Joseph, like Job was a righteous man. Mystery to Joseph? I think so. It wasn’t until chapter 50 that Joseph tells his brothers that they meant it for evil, but God meant it for God. Which by the way, is a great explanation for the sovereignty of God. Don’t you think.
In Matthew 20, Jesus spoke a parable about a man who hired workers to work in his field. He hired people at different hours of the day. And the days wages were agreed upon. But the man who hired the workers seemingly had the audacity to pay the men who worked only one hour the Danes wages as the ones who worked all day. Now that seems very unloving and unfair. And we would grumble as they did. To the ones hired early in the morning, was it not a mystery why the man refused to pay them more? Not only a mystery, but wouldn’t we be a free at the man for it, as well as for not telling us why?
Look, God could have made heaven on earth. He could have made sure that sin would not enter the garden. He could have. But he didn’t. I think that is a mystery. There could have a thousand other options for God to redeem sinners. But our triune God chose suffering and the way of the cross. Why? We can speculate. But it’s a mystery. And the lake of fire. Why would a loving God through people in hell, FOR ALL ETERNITY? Surely purgatory (and I’m not Catholic) seems more appropriate land more loving than eternal torment for those who simply choose not to believe. There are probably hundreds, maybe thousands of mysteries concerning Gods higher ways that we are NOT privy to. And Our eternal, infinite, omnipotent, perfectly and completely omniscient God is satisfied with not telling us the why’s. In the language of Psalm 115:3 , which Mr. Flower states is a good definition of God’s sovereignty, it PLEASES God to keep some things hidden, or mysteries.
Unfair? Unloving? Rude? Unjust?
God is God. And we are not. He is perfect and highly exalted. We are sinners, spiritual criminals, and worms at that. AND YET, or BUT GOD, he is rich in mercy, love, and grace, and saves all those who call upon his name. That is a complete and total mystery to me.
God bless
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So is "You're flattening it out!"
@@robertmichaels2914 it is a copout because in all your examples GOD does provide a answer and reveals a secret to each one.
Mystery is never not going to be answered
We should have enough scripture and the holy Spirit to be able to answer all for belief.
I think Mike Winger clarifies one of the biggest issues with Calvinism, he just says that Faith is not a work. This blew my mind and clarified a lot of things ultimately helping me disaprove of Calvinism. I then read Romans 10 where it says that faith comes “from hearing the word of God” which, to me, is totally consistent to when the Scriptures say that faith is a gift of God, of course! It’s His Word, His revelation. When I understand this it even reveals the importance of evangelism and preaching and hearing the word of God even more than what Calvinism teaches
Not faith alone.. Grace is the gift, Mike Winger also teaches some false doctrines.
No, salvation/eternal life is the gift of God (Romans 6:23) and it is received by grace through faith (Eph 2:8).
Amen. Romans 4:5 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Lol this comment sums up the entirety of the anti intellectualism rampant within the Evangelical Gnostic movement.
@@janellemarierose I see no problem with a woman studying theology. All Christians should study theology. And I am very conservative and Reformed theologically
Calvinist doctrine discourages those who are seeking God logically.
It's totally fatalistic.
I am sorry but I humbly suggest you mis understand Calvinist doctrine if that is what you think
@@joeinterrante7873 I’ve studied TULIP and it’s unbiblical, therefore not logical.
@@timdanyo898i am not calvanist but i would love to know why you dont believe its Biblical (with verses ofc)
@@excelentguy that’s a huge study. Research it. Look for yourself. Study it out. “Irresistible grace” means we are chosen and have no free will to accept or deny Jesus. He calls us and we “irresistibly” accept. This is false. Without free will the Bible’s message of redemption is null and void. Again.. study it out for yourself. I choose not to be your personal Bible teacher at this time only because you’re on RUclips and there is literally weeks worth of content you could find for yourself on the topic.
Thank you so much!
I love that your whole channel is devoted to calling out Calvinism. It makes me sick to think that there is a belief that God would punish those who had no way of ever being saved… The Calvinistic idea needs to be uprooted if we don’t want it to be in contradiction with the Bible and God’s love for us ALL.
Powerful teaching.
If you'll Calvin's "Institutes," you will discover that God's love is hardly mentioned. This error (Calvinism) is well nigh heresy.
The question I ask every Calvinist is that if God chooses to make people on purpose for destruction and only called some for eternal life and most to burn isn't it possible that He actually called you to burn? How do you know God has called you part of the elect over your neighbors? As a result you do all kinds of good works saying, " look at what I'm doing I must be saved. " when the bible says it's a gift lest any man should boast ephesians 2:8-9. The simple fact that you think that you're saved over your neighbors is pride and God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. The bible says in Romans 2:11 there's no partiality with God but the Calvinist says I'm better than you for some reason. 2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:4 it's the Father's desire that ALL would come to knowledge of forgiveness and not willing that any should perish but He chooses some for eternal life. Tulip great flower but heretical doctrine
Serious question: Do you believe you are saved? If you do, then you are elect. Elect from before the foundation of the world as the Bible says in many places.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17. Related, you must be born again. John 3. In short, regeneration precedes faith. Ephesians 2. God through the Holy Spirit makes the first move. He regenerates the fallen soul, and through grace installs faith. God provides (talk about biblical provision!) the means for us to believe in Him in the first place. Ephesians 2:8-9.
The default position of mankind is original sin. Romans 3:23. All of us are doomed until God does something. False religions all over the world are based on the idea of man doing something. Man reaching for God. All of those people will die and go to Hell if they continue down that path. And that is the justice of God. Genesis 6:13. God's right and/or prerogative.
But God can and does extend mercy and grace to some. The elect. Can God do that? Yes. Is God unjust to do that? No. Romans 9. God is instead merciful when He extends mercy and grace to some though less than all. All those others are receiving justice. There is no injustice.
For anyone to say that is unfair or evil to extend mercy to some without extending mercy to all is to blaspheme God. Why? Anytime a person accuses God of not having enough mercy they blaspheme God by attacking His character and/or person. They are accusing God of not being merciful enough. Romans 9:15. ("I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy...")
A/P/Ts believe in a secular humanist theology that depends on "I", "I", "I". It never occurs to them unless they delve deeply into the scriptures that it is Almighty God and Almighty God alone who grants salvation ab initio. God and God alone chooses who is saved and when they are saved. God changes our "want to" through regeneration. Salvation is from the Lord. Jonah 2:9 (and a myriad of other verses anyone can look up). He that hath ears....
@Gablesman888 God the draws All men to Christ because in john 3 Jesus says if I be lifted up ( on the cross) I will draw All men equally unto Myself because there's no partiality with God Romans 2:11. Yes.its the Lord's faith but we choose to respond or not to after He puts in us a little measure of faith. God can't force Himself on anyone 3 peter 5:3 don't be dictators over the flock and you think God would do it? Romans 9:13 Jacob have I loved and esau have I hated( greek miseo', to love less not damned to eternal fire). I will have mercy who I will have mercy on and it's the Father's will that All would come to knowledge of forgiveness and not willing that any should perish 2 peter 3:9, 1 timothy 2:4. Luke 14:26 anyone who comes to Me must hate ( miseo' t love less and love Me more) or they can't be My disciples. You think God sends to hell by His perfect sorveignty while the Bible teaches that God wants everyone to be saved not willing that any should perish. You don't realize the dangers of telling people that the Father is responsible for people going to hell because it switches the credit to the wrong party blaspheming the Holy Spirit, that's why when the pharisees said Christ was doing miracles through satan when it really was the Holy Spirit ( God) they blasphemed the Holy Spirit. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit switching the credit of satan and the person's choice going to Hell to the Father. Obviously you haven't heard this before but these are the facts sorry to tell you. You're blaspheming the Holy Spirit which is never forgiven. Now you know the truth. What you do from here is your call. May we choose wisely
@Gablesman888 for the I know I'm saved because the Holy Spirit in me confirms with my spirit that I'm saved when it worship I enter into the Holy of Hollies Romans 8:16 are you sure you're saved? If there's a chance that you could actually be called to burn by the Lord's perfect sorveignty isn't it possible that you're actually called to burn? Where's the assurance in that? Right, you have no assurance.
@@aservant2287 You sound like you are not from a Christian background at all. Are you a planted AI? When I run into one of these I just rely on my friend Barack J. Obama III who said that this is above my pay grade. In other words I will not take the bait answering an AI.
@Gablesman888 lol. If I was ai would I comment on how people shouldn't cry wolf? The Holy Spirit in me confirms with my spirit that I'm saved romans 8:16. Nelson does more harm than good because people won't be ready when it really does starts because he's been wrong so many times and people will think it's just another false prediction. Does that sound like a computer animation? Be blessed
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:9
That's a great verse which I have memorized as well. Please read what I wrote about time. God is absolutely sovereign in all things including the salvation of the elect and the damnation of those headed to perdition. We would all be in hell except for God's grace. I witness to all. Many will be in hell. I don't have omniscience so I witness to everyone. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. (Ezekiel 18:23). I've read these comments and I don't think many of you have studied the whole of scripture!
@@jimbobo8193
You are an old man, but unable to understand what is written?
Has not the man quoted scripture that reads: "God does not want anyone to perish"?
How then, do you think that God is choosing some without merit and condemns others to everlasting torture, when the scripture says, that God wants all to be saved?
For this is what God wants. He loves us all - if you think that he loves you, but not others, then you do not know God at all.
John Macarthur is not telling the truth because he is a follower of John Calvin.
(I edited this comment to remove my own hateful words.)
Be nice.
The EXACT same thing can be said about Arminians.
@@ntnsty You are right.
@@AVB2-LST1154 I was wrong for leaving that comment. The Bible warns against dissension and calls for unity in the body of Christ.
@@TheIcanntspel Appreciate it. We’ve all been there, done that. The hallmark of a Christ follower is course correction and you have my utmost respect.
I am a missionary in Haiti and I train national pastors in the Word of God. Your videos help me help my pastors because you show clearly what someone is saying and then give clear, Biblical answers. Just wanted you to know I appreciate your work.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
Thank you for your work. Calvinism caused me so much stress when thinking of my children.
Stress doesn't dictate truth
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
I’m 71 years old. Been a born again believer and imperfectly walking in Christ for 50+ years and I still don’t get this. Maybe that’s ok and I can live in that tension if I am growing in Christ by His grace and bearing fruit.
Thank you Dr. Leighton. The uncomfortable feeling I had about Calvinist doctrine has been explained.
The "uncomfortable feeling" comes from a prideful heart that WANTS to believe that we can save ourselves by simply convincing our "free will" that righteousness is the right thing to do.
@@AVB2-LST1154
Calvinist, are not you hypocrites the ones, who trust in your works, rather than the Grace of God?
And don't even tell me for a second, that you don't trust in your works. You know you do, I know it, the world knows.
For Calvinists may pay a lip service to the fact that we are saved by Faith in Christ, through Grace - but all they teach is Lordship Salvation.
And yet - none of them has sold all they have - none of them is out there in Saudi Arabia - risking being killed in the streets by upset Muslims - for spreading the Gospel.
En Contraire - we have their Idol, Macarthur - who preaches one must be willing to forsake everything, while he himself has millions of dollars - and none of it is used to feed the poor and he preaches comfortably from his pulpit - in the safety of the US, he is not there risking anything, he is not giving away all he has, he does not follow Christ like he preaches, that one should do.
You Calvinists condemn yourself with your words. You claim to make Jesus Lord over your life - but you do it not.
Hypocrites.
I thank the Lord for saving me from almost falling into Calvinism. I was so close but rescued 🙌.
George Whitefield, a Calvinist, was probably the greatest preacher who ever lived. Spurgeon, no mean preacher himself, said that when Whitefield preached at Cambuslang in Scotland it was greater even than Peter's preaching at Pentecost.
John Wesley, an Arminian, and a contemporary and close friend of Whitefield, was probably the greatest administrator and Christian leader who ever lived.
George Whitefield and John Wesley never did come to an agreement over their theological differences but they respected and loved one another as Christian brothers.
At one point, when Wesley appeared to be near his death, Whitfield wrote to Wesley and said, “…a radiant throne awaits you, and ere long you will enter into your master’s joy. Yonder he stands with a massive crown, ready to put it on your head amidst an admiring throng of saints and angels.”
Why are we - and I'm looking at you now - still arguing about this?
God bless this ministry! This doctrine was taught to me early and nearly caused me to walk away from Christianity. It didn’t make any sense to me.. these videos and teachings have literally saved my eternal soul. Thank you so much Leighton
Amen! Calvinism, and its direct parent Augustinianism, has created far too many atheists by grossly distorting the character of God and falsely making Him out to be a self-contradicting, sadistic, capricious lunatic, largely by incorporating pagan Greek concepts of how a divine being would operate. They thus present a "frankengod" that combines aspects of Zeus with aspects of YHWH, which mix about as well as oil and water...
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do?
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying,
"Who then can be saved?"
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them,
"With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
@@NeverThirstAgain888 yes exactly!! We make the choice and The Holy Spirit (God) changes our heart. Anyone who’s been converted knows this and experiences it. It’s literally a miracle
@@charliemichaels452 I’m trying to understand your argument here. What is it that you’re saying? Those are false teacher passages. At its very essence Calvinism is a secondary issue despite its damaging doctrines. But either way it’s not a primary salvific issue. No one here’s calling anyone false teachers but you. Leighton never accuses these men of that. Quite the opposite
Same here brother, may God bless this chanel
I’ve just recently discovered your channel. Never been a Calvinist because it’s never lined up to what I’ve studied in the Bible in my own personal studies and experience. Nonetheless, I know of many Calvinist’s acquaintances and have encountered many others but the way you breakdown your arguments is so refreshing and has been key to strengthening my faith.
Thank you for your ministry!
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
God telling all to repent when they can't (because He set it up that way) is adding insult to injury. By the way greetings from Fort Worth! So cool that your ministry which has helped me out a lot is located so close to where I live.
I think maybe God didn’t set it up that way. Man fell and did this to himself. I’m not a Calvinist, but I’m trying to play a fair devil’s advocate.
@@klompe7801 God wouldn't command someone to do what they could not do. It's like commanding an infant to completely take care of themselves. It's illogical and the God of the universe is not illogical.
@@klompe7801 man did what to himself?
@@IronSharpensIron127 God commands us to love Him with all our hearts, soul, mind, and strength. Who is capable of doing that? No one has ever done that, and yet, God demands it from us. This should lead us to depend on Christ even more so.
@@elijahraya2429 Loving God and depending on Him go hand in hand. I think you are looking at it wrong. This is a process or a journey. One day we will love God with all our heart. Right now everyone is at their own place in their walk with God. So they need to walk in Faith where they are at. You can’t just jump to the end and say “well we can’t be perfect so we must not be able to do anything.”
John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.". John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.".
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
Dr. Flowers I am so grateful for your ministry. Praying for you🙏
If men could believe & save themselves after hearing (or reading) the Gospel ON THEMSELVES (without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST) then majority (if not all) Catholics would have been saved cos they have been hearing (& even reading) the Bible (Gospel) since childhood for many years.
We know most (if not all) Catholics can give an intellectual assent even a hearty assent (if u will) to the truth that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and was raised on the third day and they would profess that truth daily, but they are still NOT born-again if that was the case they would have been saved.
Thus, I would infer that ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved Amen
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
IT'S not easy to be a Calvinist when you have to be honest.
A calvinist stewardship committee. I’d enjoy listening in.
If men could believe & save themselves after hearing (or reading) the Gospel ON THEMSELVES (without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST) then majority (if not all) Catholics would have been saved cos they have been hearing (& even reading) the Bible (Gospel) since childhood for many years.
We know most (if not all) Catholics can give an intellectual assent even a hearty assent (if u will) to the truth that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and was raised on the third day and they would profess that truth daily, but they are still NOT born-again if that was the case they would have been saved.
Thus, I would infer that ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved Amen
@@rahulshinde6210 _″If men could believe & save themselves...″_
Only Calvinism falsely teaches that non-Calvinists save themselves. Everyone else teaches that man believes and God saves.
_″...without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST″_
Calvinism falsely teaches that "pre-faith regeneration" is the definition of Devine intervention.
Non-Calvinists recognizes that EVERYTHING God does (e.g. the incarnation, the gospel proclamation, the conviction of the Holy Spirit, the Bible, miracles, dreams, etc...) are all Devine interventions & initiatives.
We didn't go to up to God; He came down to us! That was His initiative!
_″ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved"_
And the Bible tells us that God has sufficiently intervened so that no one can have an excuse (Rom 1:20; John 20:31; Deut.30:11-14; etc.)
@@gk.4102, I don't believe you could have responded any better. Took the words right out of my mouth.
Yeah I know I've got them in my family...missionaries ..if ya can believe....that...I mean if God has already decided whom He elects to be saved....before the foundation of the world....of course...why would it be necessary to go into all the world & preach the Gospel...since not all the world can be saved...or that Christ did not give His life for the...world..Jn6:51.... yeah I know....all doesn't mean....all....every doesn't mean...every....& world doesn't mean....world....& nothing means....nothing @ all...however the Catholic Calvinists Chaotic Clowns...can not get around Rom.5:6-8...if Christ died for...sinners...then He died for...all...since all have...sinned..Rom 3:23 ; Isa.64:6 and if Christ died for the ungodly...then He died for.....all...since all are ungodly...!!...no the fact is...contrary to Roman Catholic Reformed Calvinism....God Loves the world/sinners just as they are..,where they are...unconditionally....Jn 3:16-18...Isa.1:10-20 (V18) Jer.29:13 Num.21:7,8 Isa.55:7,8... what did our Lord say w His dying breath....??? " Father forgive them.,,for they know not what they....do..." who???? those that were brutally murdering Him....thats....who....!!! oh & by the way..." the Grace of God that brings Salvation...has appeared to...ALL...men..." Tit 2:11-13 " BEHOLD I bring you good tidings of great joy....which shall be to....ALL...people..." I don't know how ya can foul that up in any language....Greek included...." I give my life for the....world.." Jn.6:51 the major problem w Catholic Calvinism...is they,'ve had Christians @ each other,s throats for well over 500 yrs now w/ no end in sight...& it all comes fm...the Vatican in Roman...as did the Charismatic Movement of the '70,s to the present...& as does the " modern..." bible...controversy...in fact all " Protestant churches..." are controlled by the Vatican...thru their Roman Catholic Corrupt bibles...!!! & all " MODERN.." bibles..DENY that Christ is come in the...flesh...in 1Tim 3:16... w/ their...." he appeared in a...body..." no mystery there folks...who of us hasn't...??? it should read " God was manifest in the flesh..." not some ambiguous @ best...." he.." also ya don't get..." he.." in English...fm .God in Greek...so what's the Greek word for GOD...Theos ..what's the Latin word for GOD...Del...what's the Spanish word for GOD...DIOS...what's the English word for GOD......GOD...so where did the " he.." come fm .in 1Tim3:16...??? it came fm .1Jn 4:1-7(V3)
Dr. Flowers, you have been so instrumental in my life this year as I've moved away from Calvinism. Thank you!!! In your illustration for your kids climbing the stairs, Calvinism also says that only the child you chose can be helped. The other 2, after they hear that you have provided a way, actually get hardened so that they won't ask for your help. Thus, making all that more confusing. Imagine being a parent of 3 children, only desiring to save one from a burning house. That's the picture of God that Calvinism gives to the world. I'm so glad I'm not part of that system of belief any longer...I've thoroughly enjoyed reading your books, and learning from the resources you've provided...Thank you.
“Calvinism is the Gospel and nothing else.” - Charles Spurgeon
@@chrismcmorrow9738 It's funny how Calvinists quote men like Spurgeon and act like they're quoting Scripture or something! Who cares what Spurgeon called Calvinism? How is anything Spurgeon said any more authoritative than anything said by someone like Mike Winger? Both men were/are professional preachers who appear to sincerely preach what they believe(d) to be the Gospel, and both are also human and susceptible to error, so neither should be treated as any kind of higher authority than preachers in general are.
Your examples of the stairs and burning house assume we all know who God has predestined, ie the elect. No one knows but God. The concept of Total depravity and Unconditional election can still be true because we don't know if we're the elect or not. We still have free will, and if we're the elect, we'll still respond to Irresistible grace.
I agree wholeheartedly. Dr. Flowers has helped me too. I left a Church that was teaching this doctrine.
@Gospel Church & World Easy believism is where a Christian tells someone to "just believe" but there is no call to repentance, nothing about how Holy and perfectly Righteous God is and how sinful we are. Maybe they will simply tell someone, "Just repeat this prayer after me and if you really meant it you are saved." Jesus taught that unless a person repents, they will perish. Repentance is a change of mind that leads to a change of actions. We are not sinlessly perfect in this life, but Scripture is clear that we are different from the world. There are so many people who live like devils, but they "believed" so it doesn't matter how they live.
”I am convinced and confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will [continue to] perfect and complete it until the day of Christ Jesus [the time of His return].“
Philippians 1:6 AMP
You understand the Gospel . That verses says it all. Salvation is of the Lord.
Where is their joy? Where is their kindness? Where is their belief? Where is their service? Where is the blood of Jesus?? What is the fruit they are yielding? What do they think the good news even is???? What is their message? No wonder sinners in the world don’t want anything to do with sinners in the church. Help us holy spirit. Help your bride help your children. Help your children help your bride. What a strange and glorious plot. I am thrilled that we will be able to see your glorious work one day beyond our own noses. It looks like a mess right now but our great hope is in your excellent artistry. You are wonderful….
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do?
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying,
"Who then can be saved?"
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them,
"With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
@@NeverThirstAgain888 You proved their point. You can't save yourself that doesnt mean you were chosen.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 yes, and giving eternal life to any that would chose to be bought back from condemnation with his blood. The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of men. So, judge his creation all you want. You can’t be wiser than God. He’s really really smart. He’s really really good. He’s really really right.
@@Su_aSponte
A carnal man does not seek after God unless God works in his life. You're in error and need to read those passages again.
Your logical common-sense exegesis is rare these days in the church. Good job!
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
Lol, you’re kidding I hope. He doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about
@mountainman78629 Please explain.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 Yes, because God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, and He knows the outcome of every possible choice in any scenario that can be made before, during, or after, because of the libertarian freewill He has given to make choices without His direct involvement, otherwise we would all be robots incapable of giving genuine love and devotion.
@@acsberean4092
So then God technically ordained the fall.
I was a Calvinist for 8 to 10 years. And I can say for our teachers and leaders, as well for us laymen who confidently promoted Calvinism, that our answers and responses exposed us to be better politicians than Christians. We knew we had to avoid saying certain things and twist other things. And somehow we did it with a clear conscience. Hence, the cult nature of Calvinism.
see my reply to Dr Flowers
Glad you came out of the cult.
I think this is my favorite of your videos. So clear and to the point, while putting on clear display how unclear and confusing the Calvinist systematic is.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
I like the fact that when questioned about their obvious conundrum, they are faced with giving an inconsistent answer.
Bless that sister that came out to question Dr. JM.
I think that these disagreements are more based on interpretation, what to take literally and what to not take literally.
I also think that people suffer from not realizing that they have the presumption that "if I can't fully comprehend it then it must not be real or true".... which is basically the atheist argument through the modern empiricist interpretation of the scientific method.
Ultimately if the definition of Grace is "unmerited favor".. which it is.
Then, what I think the problem is, is the assumption that people are basically good and that Hashem owes anybody salvation.
If any man can be said to work with the grace that he has been given then he has to realize that this is basically the same argument of the medieval Roman Catholic Church which viewed Grace as a tangible substance of sorts making salvation essentially earned by works through the Sacraments, and agree with it.
@@enoch3874 Understanding this correctly is all answered by this, "if you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Heavenly Father give good gifts to those who ask Him?" So "basically good" means we know how to do good but we don't always do good therefore we are evil and need salvation.
@@sunshinegirl1967 neighbor I have to disagree with your definition of basically good.... I was using it to say something we are not.
I was talking more about ability.
Before Jesus how are we saved?
That's the question.
Since the question is soteriological in nature... what it really hinges on is what grace means and what Grace is... and the definition of that is really the answer to our question.
.. be safe out there neighbor
@@enoch3874 Calvinism is not based on misinterpretation. It is a man made system read into scripture. The misinterpretation is secondary done purposefully to make the scripture appear as much as possible to fit with the Calvinists philosophical presuppositions.
@@obrien709 For the Calvinist, when scripture and Calvinism collide, it is scripture which must yield that Calvinism survive.
I've been accused of being "Arminian" before! Actually, I just go by God's Word, without adding or taking away from it.
Calvinism makes me so sad.
Does Judaism make you sad? They were God's chosen people in the old testament? Where do you think everyone else went to when they died, who were not part of the covenant?
No, because even in the Old Testament, non-Jews like Rahab believed and were saved so…
@@Heythere24561 It was uncommon and any time it was recorded in the bible it served Gods purpose. It doesn't refute election it actually reinforces it. Rehab was also a type and shadow of the gentile church. 100 billion people have lived and died and a vast majority of them didn't make it to heaven as I can see it. I dont know if God had another plan that we aren't privy to but apart from and without Christ, everyone goes to hell.
@@Heythere24561 As far as free will goes God has usurped the free will of more than one person in the bible. Jonah did not want to go to Nineveh but God sure made sure he went there. I do not believe Job wanted to go through the trials he went through but it was Gods will to put Job through some of the harshest trials a person can go through.
God does with his creation as he wills. He is Sovern over all or not God at all. Free will is not some kryptonite that keeps God at bay. It didn't work for Saul before he became Paul. If God wants his man he gets him.
I wasn't raised reformed I was raised between the Apostolic Pentecostal church and Baptist congregations. I don't believe the way I do now because I want it to be true but because it is how God has revealed his truth to me.
God saved me, I had no hand in it. My faith was from his regeneration.
@@RadRelics Well stated. I had ever identified as any particular denomination, and checked out many churches as a young Christian. After years of maturing, I just read the bible, and really listened to what the Holy Spirit was showing me, as I digested the Word. I could not see around it, God chose me before the beginning of the World. Ephesians 1:4-6. If people would just read the text, and read it again and again, they would come to see how sovereign God has been from Genesis through Revelation. As I see it, we have free will except when it interferes with God's purpose. Peoples inflated assumption that this is about them, causes the confusion that they are little gods. Newsflash, we are just humans. We are the clay and the potter can mold us and our situations as He sees fit.
So I must humble my self and repent to be saved . So I must do something . The Bible says we are saved by grace and not of ourselves.
Being born again is Gods work in us not Gods work with our assistance .
There's a lot of questions I cannot answer about Calvinism but my biggest question to non-Calvinists is:
If Christ was punished for everyones sins, why are there going to be people in hell being punished for their sins?.
If you say its because they rejected Christ, then does that mean Christ didn't die for all sins?.
I had someone saying that the ultimate sin is the sin of unbelief, so does that mean Christ didn't die for all sins e.g sin of unbelief?.
If GOD punished everyones sins on the cross of Christ, doesn't that mean there's no more sin left for GOD to punish?.
Am not about to say that to be saved you need to be a Calvinist, if you believe in Christ ( who He is, what He's done...etc) the word of GOD assures you that you will be saved.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
The atonement has to be limit by either scope or power or we have universalism.
John 3:16 doesn't answer that question. If Jesus died for every sin of all people then the sin of unbelief would be covered and so no one would go to hell.
Here is a passage, one among many that says men will be judged for their "sins". Why would they be judged for their sins if Jesus died for them?
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead ones, the small ones and the great ones, standing before God. And books were opened. And another Book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead ones were judged out of the things written in the books, according to their works.
@raymondshaffer1984
Excellent!
@@Tinstared Jesus died for the sins of all, but His propitiation only covers those that choose to accept it. Think of Jesus as holding an enormous umbrella, in Calvinism, people are programmed to either walk under the umbrella or outside of it, but God put them there because despite the Bible, Jesus, and missionary work, people can only see Jesus and the umbrella if God allows it. The bible actually says that people are given the choice to walk under the umbrella or not to, but Jesus, the bible, and followers of Christ are meant to point toward Jesus and His umbrella.
@@teeemm9456 The thing is, Christians will be sinless in heaven, because of Christ's atoning work on the cross. What you're saying is that the people in hell will also be sinless (for if Christ died for all sins, then there's no sin left for eternal punishment) as the ones in heaven?.
God is just, He punished Christ for sins, He can never then punish us for the same sins He punished Christ for!.
What Calvinism teaches is that after the fall of Adam, all men were headed to hell (the soul that sins shall die) but God in his mercy, grants some of the hellbound humans grace to heaven. He is not making us robots, because without His intervention, we would not want Him, that's why there are people who don't want to hear about God and there are people who desperately need Him. He gives life into our dead spirits and that's what causing believers to be different from non-believers.
The leaps and bounds of illogic in Calvinism is incredible.
Is that a complement to Calvinists or a critique
If it’s so illogical why do so many people believe it
I seriously doubt you've looked into it. And id wager your idea comes from the Semi Pelagians like Flowers on RUclips.
"are incredible" not "is incredible," Dr. Logic.
G'day Leighton, it's wonderful to hear this message. Our Baptist Church in Tasmania was almost destroyed by a few Calvinists and this disgusting doctrine. We had to fight, but truth won out in the end. I'm so glad of the wise counsel you give on this, and hope we can stamp out this awful doctrine with good apologetics and a lot of prayer. Your resource is very valuable.
It's also amusing for that lady in the video to have stumped John Macarthur in just a few seconds. Thanks again for your hard work in this essential field.
@@charliemichaels452 Dear Charlie, I never stated what I believe, so you have made yourself look extremely foolish.
It's better to to keep your uninformed opinions to yourself until you have more evidence what the person speaking actually believes.
Shooting your mouth off without having an accurate understanding of my belief system is moronic and demonstrates that you have been nominated today by many as being the village idiot.
You are just another busybody doing what you do best.
My comments were for Leighton and NOT you. Mind your own business and look for that plank in your eye Sunshine.
Thank God the Truth persevered!
Very amusing 😂😂😂😂
As far as I can see Calvinism was never was
nor will ever be a “doctrine”. Anyone who believes it is has been mislead. Calvin only pointed out precepts in scripture that are factual. Men have twisted it into what it isn’t over the years into some cultish belief when it isn’t.
Calvinists have it partially right but they're missing the bigger picture of universal reconciliation.
I still wish people would drop the "ists" and "isms". The apostle Paul rebuked those who cling to a following of a person rather than Jesus Christ.
The question this lady asked is actually what most believers struggle to comprehend for years...and understandably so!
We think we must be "Doing" something to be saved; even though we then 'seemingly' contradict ourselves by agreeing that we CANNOT earn our Salvation in any way.
In fact, yes we do need to do those things... Repent and Believe. And yet not even those things Merits our Salvation. For Ephesians 2 tells us it is "BY GRACE [Unmerited favour] we are saved..."
Grace remains undeserved....unmerited.... EVEN THOUGH we must Repent and Believe in Jesus Christ....even though we must not blaspheme the Holy Spirit....even though we must forgive others in order to enter Heaven.
The great Word of God is Wonderful to Behold!
Calvinism has always been very incomprehensible to me. I was glad when I decided not to worry about it and that I didn't have to agree with it.
And the Truth will set you free!!! Another video jammed packed with Truth!!!
"Calvin's God is now the bully on the playground slapping a little kid with his own arm while mockingly telling him to 'quit hitting' himself."
In Jer. 19:5 God says, "They have built pagan shrines to Baal, and there they burn their sons as sacrifices to Baal. I have never commanded such a horrible deed; it never even crossed my mind to command such a thing!"
It's repeated in Jer 32:35 "And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.’"
It's clear what God is saying. Yet, Calvinists have God denying He has done what Calvinists say He did. If they are telling the truth, this makes God a liar. Calvinists maintain God 'secretly' predestined them to murder their own children to a false God, denies He did, then God publicly punishes them for doing what God decreed they would do.
Calvin's God is now the bully on the playground slapping a little kid with his own arm while mockingly telling him to 'quit hitting' himself.
Where is the bully quote from?
@@jonathanmcgehee318 I'm happy to try an answer, but I'm not sure I understand your question. If God has determined already what every man will do and has not created man with the ability to choose to do otherwise, then then tells man in scripture to do that which he is powerless to do by God's decree. To me, that is like a bully on a playground slapping a kid with his own arm while mocking him to stop hitting himself.
It's not a quote from someone else, I just applied an illustration from something many of us have seen childhood bullies do.
For me, the question of man's "Total Depravity=Total Inability "from birth" is answered very clearly in Gen. 4, Cain was born no more or less fallen than any other man today but rather in the same spiritual condition as every man born throughout history except for John the Baptist who was filled with the spirit in his mother’s womb.
God speaks to Cain before he has killed his brother in a manner which specifically declares Cain has the ability to do what is right.... i.e. a legitimate, genuine, ability to choose to do well.
Gen 4:6-7; "And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him"
In my opinion we cannot assume from this passage that God is being disingenuous with Cain, even mocking him about his ability to choose to do well. If Calvinist's assumptions are correct, it makes God out to be a liar almost from the start of creation. And isn't that exactly what Satan proposed to Eve in the Garden? I do not think this is a coincidence.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT I see! Yes, I love the illustration. I had assumed that it was a quote from somewhere else but could not find it online. I was raised in Calvinism and no alternatives were ever proposed to me. I should say I was indoctrinated. It wasn't until my 20s that I realized not every Christian believed what I was taught. I was happy to lay aside the whole Calvinistic system as it never made sense to me at all but I just blindly accepted it as true because of those teachers I had. Shame on me for not looking into it more before that. It has made me a skeptic for the rest of my life. So I loved your illustration but thought you were quoting someone else.
Your channel is a life raft for one who is adrift in a sea of Calvinism.
My husband would like to take you up on your open invitation to debate your soteriological position. Where and when can this take place? Thanks for being so confident in your position to be open for discussion.
Scripture is simply not on your husband’s side, and I suggest he watches some of Leighton’s videos before requesting a debate.
Calvinism wasn’t even a suggestion for 1700 years after the Bible had begun to be written. It emerged 400 years after the death of Christ and the church following what was biblical, and has come and gone 4 times through church history. The only reason for it’s resurgence is the internet and people that take the internet for “Gospel.” God Bless you and your husband, but Calvinism is a heresy and a blasphemous theology that seems to largely attract western people that think they’ve found a sect to follow that doesn’t require the Fruits of the Spirit as proof of one being saved.
It’s not just that Flowers has refuted all the “proof texts” of Calvinism, Calvinists still need to refute the Biblical texts which show that Calvinism’s suggested theologies are completely wrong as well.
Who is your husband? Leighton can’t debate every cage stage Calvinist that comes down the pipeline. You should first realize that not even the most prominent Calvinist theologians will debate Leighton. The great James White attempted once and got embarrassed so bad he won’t even have a conversation with Leighton let alone a debate.
Calvinism implies "your special." Your not special. Said in love sister, but I've witnessed on too many occasions the arrogance of Calvinist.
Calvinism is a doctrine of demons. It is not the gospel.
@@julessoto137 Truth. On top of that, it’s followers get a kick out of thinking they have some kind of hidden knowledge (Gnosticism) that others don’t.
The Calvinist answer is really absurd on this one
Great message. His Spirit was poured out upon all flesh, which draws ALL, and EACH has to and CAN make their own choice.
Exceptional video! The short clips are great and useful in many ways. I wish there was an index of all the short video clips.
Calvenism never convinced me, but I never saw the mistakes of Calvinism so clear.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 foreknowledge is not fore ordination. Because a good God doesn't will for us to sin against him. He hates sin and doesn't desire it. That being said God knew we would sin and fore ordained salvation for that sin.
If the elected and predestined will be saved regardless; then what and to whom do these men preach?
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
We are to share the gospel with all people as the Bible commands. FYI - Calvinists are not claiming to know who have been chosen for salvation.
@@melissabrown3976 we preach because Jesus said do it and on judgement day those who reject are held responsible for their refusal to accept the call to repent
To the Calvinist, children were predestined to go to hell before they were born (Piper)
Calvinism is dark. Piper is a consistent Calvinist versus an inconsistent Calvinist or a waffling Calvinist
It’s been said many times that Calvinists have the same vocabulary but a different dictionary
So be careful that you are specific to the meaning of their words in context
When they say determinism they actually mean fatalism
When they say omniscient they actually mean Omni- deterministic
And watch out for the false dichotomies
They will ask you…Well, yes or no?!!!
Take your time and identify the false dichotomy and then give them the answer which is neither one of the options they give you
Give them the Biblical answer in context. It’s the context, then the context and finally the context that proves that Calvinism is false
There is not one single verse or passage of Scripture that supports Calvinism
Not one
why not break up the soil? or plant the seed? Or water living water)? Those that have questions. That is we are all called to do. Then if you bring them to the cross, leave it to God and them.
3 times Jesus said…
“Unless you” - your choice
“You will” - your future
Matthew 18:3 to the disciples (never is a long time) it’s not that they couldn’t and they did … except for Judas who wouldn’t
Luke 13:3,5 to folk like us and “all” means all here as in perishing… unless you
John 8:24 speaking to the Pharisees “Indeed”
but John 10:38 “may know and understand”
KNOW AND UNDERSTAND???
Really? Jesus actually said they “may” know and understand?
May, can, could, might …all words Calvinists dislike
Yes even the Pharisees had an honest, bona fide offer of salvation. And it was a free offer
His sacrifice for our sin. What an exchange!
Anti-theists claim that the Bible has contradictions. It doesn't, unless one is a Calvinist, as the lady in the video cites and MacArthur cannot explain.
One thing I don't like about these philosophy guys, is that they try to intellectualise scripture. They almost always end up humanising God and deifying man. This is dangerous ground.
Also, there is another option which I have never seen as being considered by these "philosophers" and that is that two things can be true at once.
The Calvinists have predestination spot on and it most certainly harmonises with salvation by the fact that we are saved by grace and not by works lest we should boast. Free choice is "works" and therefore boasting in that choice, is glorifying man's intellect. "Oh, I made the right choice". That's humanising God and deifying man.
At the same time we do have free choice to sin or not sin. Or, to drink Coke or Pepsi and I don't think Calvinists would disagree with that free will choice.
So, the harmonising of those scriptures is yes, we do have free will, but it only exists outside of salvation. Two seemingly opposing things can be true at the same time and still harmonise.
The third "group of scriptures" are made up of the "whosoever should believe" (will be saved) scriptures and "to save all mankind" scriptures.
The "whosoever shall believe" scriptures are "all" the predestined elect or chosen ones who are called by Christ and submit to His call (not by responding by free will choice) to His call. God foreknew who the "whosoever will believes" would be.
Submission is not a free will choice. Ask any UFC fighter. They submit because a power greater than them brings them to their knees so to speak.
When Christ called me, a power greater than myself called the Holy Spirit, literally brought me to my knees in submission. That was not a free will human choice that I made. It was God's grace enacted by the Holy Spirit. A power great than I called the Holy Spirit made me submit. It was the best person I have ever submitted to.
The "all of mankinds" group are the non-elect. And the "all of mankind" scripture is God's desire, not a literal absolute.
The elect are saved. The non-elect according to Revelation will be judged on the day of Judgement according to their deeds. God desires that "all" of mankind will be saved, but also foreknew there would be those who reject Him.
God foreknew the risk of "free will" and therefore made provision for that by having chosen ones (the elect) and then made provision for "all of mankind" by judging them on the Day of Judgement according to their deeds, as stated in Revelation.
That harmonises free will, "saving grace" versus free will works based "choice salvation", salvation for "all" is "all" the elect and "all" the non-elect. Two things can be true at once and still harmonise.
'...all the thoughts and intents of the hearts of man was only evil all of the time.' (Gen. 6:5) Yes, man is unable to recognize his inability to repent.
Had to listen to this three times and the illustration is awesome. When i have had unbelief and ungodly anger, immorality and failure i have somehow been taught to pray crazy things like, i am willing to be made willing, forgive me for my sins…again, take my guilt and shame, show me what i need to understand in a way i will understand, give me eyes to see ears to hear and a heart of understanding, JESUS, and you are my only hope and thank you for your blood and you said you would give anyone wisdom if they CRY OUT FOR IT GIVE ME WISDOM…there is so much more knowledge of God than any knowledge we can ever learn..that’s amazing. God is good.
The illustration is completely false.
@ohamiboringyou - I love what you said about how you pray when you fail. That is so honest and raw and an excellent example of crying out for wisdom while acknowledging our failure. But I am trying to understand why you said "we are taught to pray crazy things like....". Do you think that kind of prayer is wrong?
Amen brother and God bless. I would however direct your attention to God saying I will give you a new heart of flesh and not of stone, and a new Spirit will I put in you, and ye shall keep my commandments and my laws. This was said to unbelieving Israel, after they had spent their years denying God and God had decided to bring an end to their covenant because nobody was following the rules of it, as it is said in Hebrews. The point I'm making is that your prayer only makes sense if people are truly saved ONLY by the decision of God. Will God measure a different measure to those who believe and those who don't believe? NO! He will judge every man for his works and he will cause every man to die, unless Jesus comes first then those who believe shall be risen up to him in glory forever. Even this is beyond our ability, how much more then is it beyond our ability to save our selves? How does one save themselves? They can't. They must be saved, someone else has to take up the slack, which for all men is through and through to the very soul we have because of sin, as it is written, he restoreth my soul. What is the soul, bit the place where our desires spring from and to what we are bound? It is the place of our sorrow or our rejoicing, as it is
written, my soul doth magnify the Lord. Jesus is telling you that he wants you to abstain from men, and trust solely in him, that though it is hard to understand, he has a perfect plan and mind, that will always reconcile itself because he doesn't lie or make mistakes.
Why do Calvinists continuously create a false equivalency between accepting Salvation and "saving one's self?" -- If I accept someone as my King/ruler, that is NOT at all the same as ruling myself. The same is true for accepting Salvation.
@@araeshkigal if you accept someone as your ruler and king that us in fact the same thing as ruling yourself. YOU CHOSE the king. Therefore the king is only your king by YOUR choice. Jesus Christ is already King. We are commanded to believe in him. Faith is the evidence of things not seen. We are simply being shown something that is already true. Whether or not we accept it or not it still remains true. But there is no man who would choose Jesus Christ if they had the ability, nor indeed can they. The Apostle Paul himself said that no man can approach that light where Christ dwells. How then can a man choose him who is Light. We are light IN the Lord Jesus Christ. We come to the light because he brings us in, to see whether our works are good or evil as John says. He even says that no man knows the Son but the Father. How then can we choose a king we don't know. Isn't that also telling you that he makes us believe that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father? Hallelujah I dint even realize this till now and yet it's so true. So it is with everything God says, it is true every way you say it.
My impression of MacArthur is that his heart is quite hardened because of his arrogance. I wish he could, for his sakes, find even a small amount of humility.
100% agree. It's sad.
Yes GOD has indeed enabled all mankind to recognize him as THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT
These are the words of Jesus in John 6:44 l.
“ No one can come to me unless drawn by the Father who sent me; and I will raise that person up on the last day. It is written in the prophets, “And they shall all be taught by God.” Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.”
The father has to draw them first! Salvation is a free gift that cannot be earned or won, its is by grace through faith. It’s by Gods mercy. This is the gospel whether or not people like it.
Thank you Lord! I believe the staircase illustration displays the core issue with Calvinism. I am going to watch this again to make sure I understand and then share it with others. God bless you Dr Flowers.
Read these scriptures thoroughly. 2 Timothy 1:8-9, John 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 2:4-14, Philippians 1:29, John 10:24-30, Acts 16:14, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, Acts 4:24-25, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8.
Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?
I was an atheist most of my adult life. I pretty instantly went from not wanting anything to do with God, to Jesus being my whole life.
I, therefore, fell into the false doctrine of Sproul/MacArthur Calvanism early into my walk, because it initially seemed to explain my experience.
I'll encourage you with this: if you obey the scriptures in Matt 6:33 and seek the truth DAILY (that is, read the bible diligently) and avoid pride (that is, you're more concerned with finding truth rather than winning a debate), the Holy Spirit will guide you out of ANY false doctrine.
REMEMBER: John 14:26, John 16:13, Isaiah 30:21
Welcome to the family of God!
Good point. The most secure calvinists seem to be those who had a strong conversion experience later in life through a non-calvinist preaching, and then find calvinism when searching for stronger doctrine. Those who grow up in calvinist households have a hard time because they don't have a conversion experience as 'proof' of them being chosen.
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do?
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying,
"Who then can be saved?"
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them,
"With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
@@NeverThirstAgain888 it says, "*WITH* God" friend.
Untangle yourself from that wicked web of holes and false doctrine and seek the truth with all of your heart.
*WITH* God all things are possible.
@@saintsoftheking It is not WITH as in WITH you and God... It is Christ alone....Salvation belongeth unto The Lord..
Let us bow down our faces into the dirt and give Christ the glory He alone deserves
DR. Flowers you make it so simple to understand why the Calvinistic view of predestination is no way shape or form Biblical! The stairs analogy is masterful, Wow _Just wow!
Thank you, Leighton, for your ministry. It has been blessing my soul. May the Loed bless you richly.
Another great video from Leighton :)
So John MacArthur has a special hotline into God's thinking to the point where he knows what is true even when there is no evidence.
But Calvinism isn’t Gnosticism?
Some former congregants of his that I knew jokingly referred to him as the 15th apostle.
One of Leighton's best. Dismantles Calvinist's doctrine of total inability by pointing out it's absolute absurdity.
Total inability is not a doctrine outside this channel. Its a made up term to not address the doctrine of total depravity, which is biblical.
@@johntrevett2944all you have to do is define the Calvy version of total depravity and you end up at total inability
Which he didn't do lol
“Absolute DETERMINISTIC sovereignty of God” philosophically sound good but it’s NOT in the Bible.
That is the core belief of TULIP. Take that out and TULIP, a beautiful flower cannot flourish.
How can it “philosophically sound good” when the atheistic version made Dawkins joke that they have to live like it’s not true?
@@martytu20 exactly!
Take it out and you have a plain old Flowers.
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do?
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying,
"Who then can be saved?"
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them,
"With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
@@NeverThirstAgain888don't quote the Scriptures to these people, Dr. Flowers is their authority.
So good. Thank you brother
Best explanation I have ever heard.
“No man can come to me except the Father first call him.” It requires the Father to begin the call to Jesus. This does not reduce the call to a limited few. Ultimate the Father will call everyone, according to His timing.
2 Peter 3:9 - "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
To be fair though that could be referring to the church specifically.
(Though - from a Calvinist perspective - if he's talking about the church, they are already saved. How could they perish?)
@@fathervader the real Calvinism killer is 2 Peter 3 9 + 1 Corinthians 8 10-11
1 Corinthians 8 10-11
For if someone with a weak conscience sees you who are well informed eating in an idol’s temple, will he not be encouraged to eat food sacrificed to idols? So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.
2 Peter 3 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Even if you go the Calvinist route and interpret parish to mean temporarily falling into sin and Peter's words to apply only to the church, you still have a contradiction because the word for destroyed and parish are the same in Greek. Peter said God is not willing that it should happen to a Christian and Paul is saying it can happen to a Christian.
So something God doesn't will can still happen.
After Mac Arthur"s first appeal to mystery, there should have been a BIG BELLY LAUGH among the audience!
The true mystery is: How can Macarthur look in the mirror and not realize that he is lost?
NASB Bible. John 6:38-46
[38]For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
[39]This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
[40]For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." Words to the Jews
[41]Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, "I am the bread that came down out of heaven."
[42]They were saying, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, 'I have come down out of heaven'?"
[43]Jesus answered and said to them, "Do not grumble among yourselves.
[44]No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
[45]It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught of God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
[46]Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.
NASB Bible. Romans 3:9-18
[9]What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
[10]as it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one;
[11]There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God;
[12]All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one."
[13]"Their throat is an open grave, With their tongues they keep deceiving," "The poison of asps is under their lips";
[14]"Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness";
[15]"Their feet are swift to shed blood,
[16]Destruction and misery are in their paths,
[17]And the path of peace they have not known."
[18]"There is no fear of God before their eyes."
NASB Bible. Ephesians 2:1-10
[1]And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
[2]in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
[3]Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
[4]But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
[5]even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
[6]and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
[7]so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
[8]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[9]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[10]For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Lol Macarthur's non-answers are sooooo pathetic. He really doesn't know very much about the Bible.
“No man can come to me, unless The Father who has sent me will draw him. "John 6:44
Bible is absolutely clear that "Salvation Belongs to Our God" and NOT to human reason or intellect or even so-called freewill or choice Amen
@@rahulshinde6210 And those that believe, God chooses to save. How?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17 KJV
@@rahulshinde6210 you are not even understanding the verse you quote - the Father ALWAYS draws and we can resist or believe in His grace THROUGH FAITH. Read carefully!
JM doesn’t understand at all - too blind in arrogance to see😢
@@rahulshinde6210 Quit spamming
Actually, after listening carefully, I believe God actually does aid all men, even if just through general revelation first.... God is not hidden and he doesn't give commands that he doesn't want fulfilled.
That analogy with the stairs is perfect! You're a great dad.
Great job ! Thank you very much from France. I have been studying this topic for years and you brought new insights.
Thanks so much for being a reasonable voice on this issue! You have no idea how much you've helped me get the awful Calvinist idea out of my head. I never even thought about it like a calvinist until I met someone at a Bible study who was a calvinist, and now he's not even coming to the Bible study anymore, but his ideas have been impressed into a couple of people's minds in our Bible study group.
@Rick Soldier of God well, I hope that the word of God and the God of the word had the final say, we shouldn't let anyone tell us what is true about God's word when we have it at our fingertips and the ability to study it for ourselves, not to mention that the holy spirit and Christ himself are our teachers at the end of the day, or should be.
@Rick Soldier of God Also Dr Michael Brown has a great debate with Dr James White on this very topic. For anybody out there reading this who have had these ridiculous ideas representing God's true character, listen to these men mentioned above. Calvinism or should I say Augustinian theology is a false interpretation of God's character.
Are we not told plainly by our Lord Jesus Christ in this passage of scripture below, that God commands men all men everywhere to repent and obey, and then in the very next breath Christ plainly says that this is actually impossible for him to do?
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying,
"Who then can be saved?"
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them,
"With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".......(Matthew 19:25-26)
That passage you're quoting talks about a rich man clinging to his wealth i.e. earthly goods. The disciples obviously recognized that they're also clinging to such things in one way or the other (as probably everybody is) and utter their bewilderment.
The answer is obviously to trust in God, not goods.
@@NeverThirstAgain888 If we are saved, we are saved by God's grace. Those who are lost are lost not because God desires that they should be lost but because of their own fault. This is the Lutheran understanding, which lacks the Calvinist rigor of logic but is closer than it to the Biblical data, or so it seems to me.
When you said, God did send assistance with the Scriptures, the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ, that sealed it for me. I wasn’t raised Calvinist, but I’ve always struggled with the idea of whether I was chosen. You just made it clear to me that I’ve had what I need (the assistance) to make a decision. Thank you so much.
If Satan has deceived and blinded the minds of the world, why and how would that blinded person ever admit they are sinners in need of a Savior without God stepping in?
You are answering philosophically and not biblically. Scripture trumps philosophy in every scenario. The Bible said it's one way, so it can't be another way. Where in Scripture does it say what you said? Jesus already defeated the death at the cross, and the enemy is weakened.
@@4everMayito Where in scripture does it say the world is deceived and blinded?
@@tdcason247 Wait, you don't sound like a Calvinist. I am neither, I thought you said that.
I would imagine many Calvinists' answer to "All men everywhere to repent" (Acts 17:30) would be something along the same lines as their approach to 1 Timothy 2:4. Instead of simply letting the text say what it says, ("All men") they offer: "All KINDS of men." Similar to Jehovah's Witnesses' adding "a" to John 1:1 - "And the Word was ("a") God."
Acts 17:30 "The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands ALL people everywhere to repent." Gosh now THAT solves all the problems of the entire world! God commands "ALL people EVERYWHERE to repent so of course knowing how compliant and obedient people are I am sure THAT 100% OF THEM WILL REPENT! God COMMANDED IT. After all even a casual reading of the bible shows how eager people to receive God's commands and immediately stop sinning.
Thank you. I thought I was crazy thinking this Calvinistic view isnt right. It's insane. I dont understand why Godly, Bible-studying, praying people would believe it.
My sheep hear my voice 😊
It is written of Satan -
2Cor.11
[14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. He wants you to not pay attention to 2Cor.11
[14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Satan wants you to ignore Gal.1
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
ANY OTHER GOSPEL?
Gal.2
[7] But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision (Gentile)was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision(Jews only) was unto Peter; Peter had a different gospel which promised them eternal life thru the Kingdom in Mt Zion aka Jerusalem. There are several way to show this but John the Baptist was just born and his dad gave a prophecy of what was to come because the Christ was going to be born to preach the message contained in Luke 1 [67] And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
[68] Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
[69] And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
[70] As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
[71] That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
[72] To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
[73] The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
[74] That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
[75] In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
[76] And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
[77] To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
[78] Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
Verse 72 = Romans 15:8 when Jesus was ministering to the Jews only. Verse 77=covering of sin not forgiveness like we are forgiven. Remission of sin is different. It is a covering up. When the Jew sinned the blood was void until confession and sacrifice was made. Mark 1 [3] The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
[4] John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. [14] Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, (aka the gospel of the circumcision that Peter preached -see Gal. 2:7)
[15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
A RECORD OF SIN IS KEPT FOR THOSE UNDER THE OT COVENANT WHICH PETER IS FOLLOWING. THAT IS FOLLOWING MOSES AS CHRIST ADVOCATED.
Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
We are not sheep we are new creatures saved and given eternal life by complete forgiveness of our sins and we are risen as Christ was resurrected from death. Our dwelling place, our life is in Heaven. If you do not make the separation of the gospel for us and the gospel of the circumcised aka of the kingdom you could be lost.
Nice work Leighton! I am so glad you are afraid to show the world how terribly mistaken John Calvin’s disciples can be!!
“No man can come to me, unless The Father who has sent me will draw him. "John 6:44
Bible is absolutely clear that "Salvation Belongs to Our God" and NOT to human reason or intellect or even so-called freewill or choice Amen
@@rahulshinde6210 yep, God draws and we can respond or not in faith - pretty easy and clear
@@rahulshinde6210 "And I, if I be lifted up, will draw ALL men unto myself". John 12:32
That drawing:
1. Cannot be irresistible.
2. Has to be sincere.
3. Cannot be in disagreement with the drawing of the Father.
@@rahulshinde6210 bro, no offense but bring something new
@@TommyGunzzz Love is NOT the absence of differences. but it embraces & loves & honors that person in spite of differences . Love involves disagreement.
Good explanation, I've always wonder why Calvinist is so confusing.
now you know!😀👍
If men could believe & save themselves after hearing (or reading) the Gospel ON THEMSELVES (without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST) then majority (if not all) Catholics would have been saved cos they have been hearing (& even reading) the Bible (Gospel) since childhood for many years.
We know most (if not all) Catholics can give an intellectual assent even a hearty assent (if u will) to the truth that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and was raised on the third day and they would profess that truth daily, but they are still NOT born-again if that was the case they would have been saved.
Thus, I would infer that ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved Amen
@@rahulshinde6210 so you just passed judgement (sentencing) the exact thing Jesus said never to do. You have now become the authority on the salvation of millions. Calvinists are so good at trying to pick out the speck out of their brothers eyes and don't look at the one in theirs
Because you're going to guys like Flowers to explain it. And they but her it every time. That's what happens when a semi pelagian heretic puts on a suit, gets a basic bachelor's in theology and starts a new Theology system and gets on RUclips. This entire comment section is a prime example of why atheists stump Christians in debates on Christianity. Sad stuff.
Praise the Lord I found you Dr. Flowers, and Warren, and Tim, and all open thiests! Calvinism has been such a theological quagmire in my ongoing Truth Journey that I started back in 2001.
If we are determined for hell and God picks and chooses who is predestined for hell then we have no hope in Jesus' death and resurrection.
Thank you and may *_God Bless_* your efforts.
Calvinism scares me and makes me sad. 😢
Ma'am, don't let it scare you. The key thing is to get understanding as the word says...in all thy getting, get understanding. There is one doctrine in the word of God that if understood and kept and allow it to guide you, everything will open up gradually, and this, I stake my life on it. Only if you will allow... I'm not going to tell you what to believe , you're going to allow the word of God to speak... please reply. I also have some other things to say for the first time in my life, I feel really bad about the Muslims. Let me tell you why. All these years since its first Inception , we already know it's not the truth, but what their leaders did was a great deception. They lied to their people and said it came from heaven, then said all Qurans are the same. The fact of the matter is the Quran was put together by their, so called Muslim scholars. The date will shock you , and if I am not mistaken, 1924. And it was canonized later on in the 1900's. Which means that it is not a part of Antiquity, and their leaders know this. Their tactics are just to say, "The bible is corrupt." And it's not, but all this to save face ? Honor killings, brain washing the kid's, making the woman a second-hand citizen. None the lest God is calling his people out. I used to debate them and get all emotional ,i.e., and angry, but I feel bad for them. Their mission was to get everyone to believe that the bible was corrupt. Just please tell people to pray for them.
It scares me for others as well
@@Comidaporvida absolutely- it makes me sad and hurt for Calvinists. What a sad way to think about salvation.
Just read Ephesians (the first and second chapters) with Romans 9. Proverbs 16:4 " The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom."
You call God's sovereignty and election "Calvinism" I call these precious doctrines of grace, wonderful correct exegesis of God's inerrant word. Arminian thinking is about as erroneous as LDS and JW theology. In fact I use the doctrines of grace to witness to cultists like Mormons. They don't like them! - J.B.
It should.. because it humbles you that you are not in charge. God's will be done.. not yirs
So incredibly sad. Truly, his answer is, "I don't know why God sent his son to die and we don't understand why he would ask all mankind to repent." This is crystal clear in his answer, Calvinism is a foreign gospel. I don't even like calling it a gospel because the death it preaches is all bad news.
I agree. I believe it's a different Gospel too. Different Jesus, is different Gospel
It's a false doctrine and Scripture warns many times to beware false teachings.
You are not even a little bit correct. You can’t read the Bible wo/seeing predestination all through it.
@@conservativemama3437 Really? Give two examples of that type of predestination. Your definition of "predestination" isn't biblical. The biblical definition would be that because God knew you would choose to believe because He saw the entirety of creation and time, then you would believe when it finally came to pass. He didn't choose to make you believe. And even within that biblical predestination, there's certain things that were predestined which don't ever happen because something changed it. God warned David that Saul was coming to the city David was hiding in, so David left and because David left, Saul didn't go to that city.
@@tannerfrancisco8759 says who? You? There are many verses on election. The Bible is full of them. I hated the idea of election and was quite offended by it as well. Once I sat down and read the Bible from cover to cover, I could not deny that I had been wrong. It was my pride to think I could be in charge of choosing God. Only through the power of His Spirit could I have come to Him in faith. It’s all a gift of mercy-from beginning to end. Prayer is quite different a topic than election. We are told to pray. And the language of God changing His mind is said in a way that we can understand. God is immutable-unchanging. His sovereign will will be done. Not one that He plans to save will be lost. That is actually a comfort to us, not scary.
People who are against Calvanism typically how a low level understanding of scripture. The reality is, scripture supports Calvanism and it makes the gospel so much sweeter. We cannot be saved by our own works, our own decision, our own strength but rather it’s only by the grace of God giving us underserved mercy and grace. Salvation is a gift that is unearned. Whether you like it or not this is the gospel and Calvanism is based on the gospel.
God predestined people to heaven and hell before the foundation of the world. God can sin by using people to do his bidding but they are at fault for it though. It’s for his pleasure and glory. God can do whatever he wants.
The arch-heretic"?!?!
/in Mike Goldberg voice/ ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
And Leighton.... "God effectually humbling you is what judgement is. If you wait for God to effectually humble you it'll be too late." WOW. You said a mouthful right there. That's heavy.
God bless you Dr. Flowers. Thank you for being such a blessing in bringing people out of calvinism through your great teaching and rebuttals of calvinism. I have a friend in New York that has been indoctrinated by reading books authored by R. C. Sproul. I debated him last week and sent him a couple of your teachings exposing the errors of calvinism. God bless you
If men could believe & save themselves after hearing (or reading) the Gospel ON THEMSELVES (without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST) then majority (if not all) Catholics would have been saved cos they have been hearing (& even reading) the Bible (Gospel) since childhood for many years.
We know most (if not all) Catholics can give an intellectual assent even a hearty assent (if u will) to the truth that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and was raised on the third day and they would profess that truth daily, but they are still NOT born-again if that was the case they would have been saved.
Thus, I would infer that ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved Amen
No other option? Just the two?
That was a wonderful analogy of the staircase with your kids and God’s grace. Love it:)
except it is unbiblical. left to our own devices none will seek help. Rom 3:11
@@ephs145 John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
@@marcc325 draw here is strong as in drag. the same word as in John 21:11 and other places. i will draw all kinds of people both Jew and gentile not all without exception. When the Holy Spirit comes he WILL convict... (Jn 16) if you're not convicted the Holy Spirit has not convicted you.
@@ephs145 In his analogy, he wasn't leaving his kids to their own devices. They knew he was there and what he wanted them to do and never indicated that he wouldn't help them.
What Romans 3:11 means is that without God's intervention, no one would seek Him. That is true. You don't have to be a Calvinist to believe that. HOWEVER, Hebrews 11:6 says He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. So, do Romans 3:11 and Hebrews 11:6 contradict each other? Of course not, right? They have different contexts. You apparently read Romans 3:11 and don't take Hebrews 11:6 into account, so you conclude that no one ever seeks Him. That would make nonsense out of Hebrews 11:6. Clearly, people can seek Him. How? By learning about Him through reading or hearing God's word.
Once people become aware that God wants them to seek Him they can choose to do so or not. When people become aware that they are sinners who need to repent of their sins, they can choose to do so or not. They can choose to reach out for God to help them be who He wants them to be or they can choose to rebel.
Look at Acts 7:51 where Stephen was talking to the Sanhedrin and religious Jews of his day and said "You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!". How does Calvinism get around a verse like this? This verse shows that the Holy Spirit can be resisted. We know that God wanted them to repent, but they were not willing and chose not to. That's what Jesus had earlier said this in Matthew 23:37-38: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate.". It isn't that God doesn't want some people to repent, it's that some willingly choose not to do so. He commands all people to repent of their sins because all people are capable of choosing to do so. This is the only way it makes sense for God to punish people on judgment day. How does it make any sense for God to condemn people for not repenting and believing if they didn't even have the ability to do so? That makes no sense whatsoever. It does make sense for Him to do that if they were capable of doing so, but stubbornly chose to rebel instead.
Scripture never teaches that people are not able to make a choice about these things. Joshua said to his fellow Israelites of his day: "But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.” (Joshua 24:15). So, he clearly believed that all people were capable of making the choice of either serving the Lord, serving the gods their ancestors served or serving the gods of the Amorites. That's true for all people. All people are capable of either choosing to serve the Lord or choosing to serve false gods or whoever or whatever else they want to serve.
Mr flowers, just wanna say thank you for truth, u have helped me understand the bible more and more everytime i watch your videos. God bless you.
Thank you for producing and posting this video. I have always believed one of the main keys to understanding scripture, is to take its content at face value, applying the simplest and obvious understanding of its teaching. If we all like sheep, have gone astray, I do not believe G-d would make understanding His words, beyond the scope of the minds He has given us, however limited they may be.
There is so much bad doctrine in Christiandom but then it is prophesied of in scripture. Why did Jesus come, the Son of God, made known in the flesh? He came to, first and foremost; Rom.15 [8] Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: - He came to His own, Jews and HIs own rejected Him, John 1:11. He did not give His life but to some as in many would be, some.
Matt.20
[28] Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
But when HIs own kept rejecting their Christ aka Messiah, a different and unique apostle who was known to the Jews as Saul but to Gentiles, known as Paul to be the minister of the uncircumcision aka Gentiles. When this happened and the prophecies concerning Christ in the OT were completed, except the Kingdom, Paul could tell us mysteries that Calvinist and most of Christiandom ignore. So the time was right and so it is written -
1Tim.2
[6] Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. - But now the message is not for everyone because the circumcision is now having to forget about the hope of eternal life in the KIngdom until the Lord is satisfied with the fulness of the Gentiles. He will have mercy on those to whom He will have mercy and so the nation of Israel had to go thru the payment of or paying back for their sins in the tribulation. The nation is purged of sinners and so it is written by Paul -
Rom.11
[26] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
It will be a fulfillment of this OT scripture which is for the Jews alone.
Isa.59
[20] And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
How exclusive did the church aka saved Jews in Jerusalem view things?
Isa.1
[27] Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.
Isa.51
[11] Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away.
So when time got hard for them in Zion they fled
Acts.11
[19] Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only TO WHO? JEWS ONLY the message was not the same as the message of salvation is today. Today all can be saved 1 Tim 2:6 the time is now for all to be saved but you have to believe the correct salvation message. Eternal life is not in the Kingdom with the tree of life it is because Jesus shed His blood, died, was buried and resurrected from the dead and we are too. Quickened means to be made alive again. The importance is of life and death.
1Cor.15
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
Eph.2
[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Col.2
[13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
MORE TO CONSIDER
Gal.2
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
YOU CAN NOT FIND THIS OUTSIDE OF PAUL'S EPISTLES
1Cor.12
[13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. AND Col.2 [12] Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
FINALLY our lives are in heaven on in a Kingdom meant for a holy nation with a kingdom full of priests. Exod.19 [6] And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
We are not spiritual Israel. Israel is set aside for the time being until the right time determined by God. If you do not separate these issues you might be one the way south, H, E, double hockey sticks. You get the picture. Satan doesn't care if you believe the bible just don't believe Paul and he's got you. Many a cult which are lost and bound for hell claim to believe scripture too.
@@tims.449 All praise and glory be unto The Lord. Many people overlook the Mystery revealed unto Paul and the Apostles. As a student of only the Old Testament for the early part of my life, in retrospect I can see how logical it was for the early followers of Messiah, to bridle at the introduction of Gentiles into the Assembly. References in the Tanakh, regarding the inclusion of nonJews into God's plans for Israel, almost always focused on them conjoining themselves to Israel. No doubt this led to the rise of a Judaizing faction within the early church. It was not until a direct revelation from The Lord (Acts 26:16-18), revealed how He would use the rejection of Jesus, as the promised Messiah by Israel's national rulers, to spread the message of Salvation to Gentiles. Few realize how easier it would have been on Gentiles had they undergone circumcision. Jews at that time were permitted special dispensation by Rome, not to participate in Roman festivals and rituals, nor were they required to bow down to Roman gods, idols, standards etc; as well as being released from laws of conscription through payment of specific taxes. As converts to Judaism (Messianic followers were considered a sect within Judaism at that time) Gentiles would have fallen under this caveat in Roman law, but because they were not to be circumcised, persecutions against them ensued. In the early days of the Church, Paul's teachings met with strong opposition by large segments of Judaism. Today they are met with opposition by large segments on nonJewish sources, who as you accurately point out tims.449, claim to believe in scripture.
Amen brother! I need help, I confess my sin! Thank you God for your Grace! God bless you brother and your ministry!
Such a solid and logical video! So concise!
Truly a master on the topic with way more than a thousand hours to back him.
If men could believe & save themselves after hearing (or reading) the Gospel ON THEMSELVES (without divine intervention or without divine initiative FIRST) then majority (if not all) Catholics would have been saved cos they have been hearing (& even reading) the Bible (Gospel) since childhood for many years.
We know most (if not all) Catholics can give an intellectual assent even a hearty assent (if u will) to the truth that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and was raised on the third day and they would profess that truth daily, but they are still NOT born-again if that was the case they would have been saved.
Thus, I would infer that ONLY after divine intervention FIRST can a person truly believe the gospel and be born-again and saved Amen
@@rahulshinde6210 wrong.
Thats making an inferred conclusion from his claim which is misunderstood. He didn't say reading the bible is irresistibly effective in causing everyone who reads it to be saved. He just said that he provided a way so that by reading it you may know what to do to be saved. People are still people tho, if in the hardness of their heart they corrupt this message for themselves through sinfulness and sins desire. Thats on them. God told them and they did not listen.
Side note, I would wonder how many catholics actually ARE saved, majority do believe jesus died for their sins and are repentant, with out having any knowledge of the truly false catholic doctrines. Who are we to tell. Thats in God's hands.
I reject your conclusion, I think its baseless.
@@skylercutsforth8595 If man had ANY part or partnership in saving themselves (contribution or collaboration) with God then man shud too get glory, but God says I shall never share my glory to anyone
@@rahulshinde6210 Its not a partnership in salvation. Gods gift, all from him bro. He commands us to accept it so thats what we do, faith is not a work. it doesnt merit anything
@@rahulshinde6210 Man does not get glory for this, all glory IS RIGHTLY to God alone.
We have the ability to be perfect by faith in Jesus Christ
"you are judged for not repenting"
"you can't repent"
we are judged for what we do, not what we can't do
_You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?_ Romans 9: 19-21
@@ejvandijk don't worry, Leighton Flowers will jump to 5 other verses to avoid interpreting that one
We’ll call you responsible even though you can’t respond.
This is the exact thing I’m struggling w in Calvinism.
It isn't "can't", it's "won't".
The problem with the rabid hate filled zealots here is they refuse to see mankind in its current state, dead in trespasses and sins, unable to do good.
Instead they push language like yours, "they just can't, they really want to, they love God and Jesus but God didn't choose them so he has to force them back."
The father has elected his children from before earth was formed, given to the son, and the son died for them, calls them, justified them, holds them, keeps them, and his children hear and obey his voice.
Despite the anger, insults, arrogance, of the haters here, you just have to keep studying and see God has a plan for his creation, and does what he wants with it, both to show great mercy and great wrath and justice.
Calvinism hate group here cannot stand the idea that God is sovereign over his creation, it's poison to their ears to think anybody other than mankind itself is in control. Jesus death on the cross didn't save one soul, it merely provided a way for people to come to their senses and save themselves by accepting it.
Pretty big risk on Jesus part to assume any dead, sinfilled people who have no good works in them, will decide to accept the gift. After all, God can't change them until they ask for it.
And the elect chosen before the foundations of the earth, just ignore it, God would never pick someone by force! Nowhere in scripture do we see God choosing someone for himself right? God doesn't just choose people, where is that written?
I know the debate rages on, but don't be easily swayed by mockery and insults, there are powerful strong arguments both sides make.
It’s illogical to make the claim something is one way and than say you do know why it’s that way. It fails the most basic sense making principle.
Many lessons in the Bible are non-doctrinal so that people can understand.
As we are sinful, we cannot contribute anything to our salvation.
God predetermined everything before creation, and in this natural life, we play our part in the unfolding of God's plan.