UPDATE: This is how the railroad reported this accident to the Federal Railroad Administration - GA47 was in the process of delivering 44 cars to the CSXT at Howells when they were required to couple to a standing cut of 23 additional cars previously placed in the yard track by a CSXT assignment. After coupling to the standing cars NS GA47 began the process of shoving them in to the clear and, while in the process of stopping, the equipment began free rolling due to a train separation and the air being bottled on the 23 cars GA47 had coupled to. There were not any injuries related to this incident. E30C Knuckle broken or defective H305 Instruction to train/yard crew improper
Let me clarify some things.. Yes, the engines were being run remotely by the yard job. It was stopped preparing for the next move. It was exactly where it was supposed to be. NS was shoving the track next to it. They come every day to drop off and pick up cars. As they were shoving, a cut of cars went too far and collided with the side of the CSX remote engine. At this time i cannot say whether they were shoved or had broke loose and continued to roll downhill. Bottom line is a cut of cars from NS went too far, collided, and derailed, causing a fire on the remote engine. And yes, the white stuff on the ground is fire retardant.
The cats that went to the ditch were from 542 for ns, there's some things that were done that wouldn't have been done I won't mention, but for once a rc job isn't at fault. Howell is a bad place for the work they're trying to do there, but it's the new Tilford so good luck with all the bs lol. This isn't the first and won't be the last
The CSX units were apparently running as Remote Control Units. In early footage, while the fire was burning, the RC lights on the lead CSX unit were flashing.
Remote Control? Interesting. Is it common for that to happen, or were they testing a new system? EDIT:Wow, I should really watch until the end of the video. Regardless, I was not aware RC Locomotives were a thing. Good to know :D
I was sitting in a yard office one time and an old head conductor from another crew was sitting in there drinking coffee and waiting for the Trainmaster and entourage to arrive. When the Trainmaster showed up he naturally asked the old head what had happened, to which the old head replied, “Obviously the track was too short”
Very Interesting and Not Unusual for Railroads to Meet at Intersecting Points. Can’t Wait to hear the Details. 6:28am should have been Daylight for Visibility. 🤔
That looks like the south end of the yard. For some weird reason the direction in that yard is reversed. The north end is where the yard office is located.
Have you ever gone to Pennsylvania to see the East Broad Top railroad if not they are bringing back all 6 steam locomotives and having more track south to run trains
It looks to me like the CSX train overshot the point where it was going to be clear of the switch and hit the NS train. 1702 is clearly fouling the switch. Perhaps the remote operator misjudged the speed and/or weight of the train (pure conjecture at this point).
Anytime time there is a remote control zone. The RCO foreman has the authority on the track of operations where the RCO train is being operated. Several things could have happened. Like he said the FRA will give a report and they are very efficient
I gotta laugh. Why? I have a G scale layout, well, I purchased an NS loco only because I like their paint scheme...here's the laugh, it would NEVER stay on the rails no matter what I did, it also had a nasty habit of pulling the consist off the rails, even on straight sections! I finally just scavanged it for spare parts. Worst loco in my fleet, and I've got CSX, Rio Grande, C&O and some Holiday(Christmas) loco's that were the same size as the NS I bought. All of them, except the NS had no issues pulling the same consists without issues. So, I won't be pursuing any more NS loco's for my G-Scale empire! Just seems they take off on their 1:1 counterparts!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
are we really at this point where a railroad cant clean up its own mess? even the B&O known for being a some what weak road could clean up its own mess
it is disappointing that these are as common as they are, railroads are supposed to ship freight as efficiently as possible. Thank God something like this didn't happen on a high-speed mainline.
Shipping freight as efficiently as possible is the problem. That causes the railroads to slack in maintenance and training. The more maintenance and training they do the more money they lose.
Its not so much cutting training as cutting maintenence and cutting jobs. Every worker has more and more they are expected to do and it gets unsafe. All in the name of profit for the stockholders and CEOs.
@@guileishere8609I'm not a fan of trade unions generally, but it seems that the relevent unions involved with rail transport could stand to be a little stronger. Either that, or the regulations need to be tightened up.
The US needs to up it's safety and maintance standards. 1000 ish derailments is ridiculous. Fewer incidents = more profits by paying less insurance/ compensation.
I agree with being safe. I used to work for CSX. But the standards are already almost over bearing for us that are train crew. It needs to have new policies and laws on the regulatory side of things. CSX has safety standards above FRA recommendations/minimums. From my experience, it boils down to the lack of man power from the companies not willing to hire the right amount of MOW maintenance and mechanical staff to properly inspect and repair deficiencies and companies setting safety standards and then firing or reprimanding people for following those standards because it takes more time to get the train moving to its destination. They make you not want to report safety issues in fear of reprimand. That’s mainly why I left. Plus they force you to work knowing darn good and well you didn’t get to the hotel in time to get your full rest time then blame the bottom line employees for everything. Employees are miserable and that makes for an unsafe workplace because employees are fed up and just don’t care.
@@conductormike3step If you think safety is expensive, try a few accidents for costly! If Airlines had the same record as railroads, no one would get on a plane.
@@MrGus.1 I agree 100%. It just stinks that I was suspended without pay for 2 days for “causing a delay” because I found a bad order car that wasn’t safe to use and set it off. We left about 8 minutes late. I contacted a union rep and nothing ever came of it. I lost out and got a negative mark. For doing the right thing. The Fran of a coal hopper had a huge crack. These companies need to be accountable. I take safety very serious.
@@4486johnboy they do on a corporate level. Depends on your managers. I have worked some great hubs and some horrible ones. My experience was mostly good but I’m much happier now and work for a better railroad making more. One that actually values safety at the lower management levels.
@made-in-the80s i read it and you said "this isnt NS" when the person said "NS can't stop having stupid derailments." obviously CSX is involved and CSX is shown in the video, but as the person stated: NS can't stop having derailments
@made-in-the80s this derailment happened because of an interchange job: NS was bringing a cut of cars from Inman to Howell, and collided with CSX. CSXs locos are RCL, so ofc someone was controlling them from outside. that's LITERALLY the basics of what happened and thats as deep as it can get basically. the video is right there for you to watch.
Listen people this is just the cost of operating a business. We fuck shit up daily. Sometimes it’s our fault sometimes it’s not. When you move mass amounts of trains/cars/tonnage things go wrong plain and simple.
Yet another derailment. Makes me wonder if these cars that are going off the lines are way too heavy, sparking the next question, are there DOT weight regs for rails like there are on Trucks running accross America's highway systems ?
The railroad is governed by the (FRA) Federal Railroad Administration. The (DOT) is Department of Transportation. The weight allowed to haul is based on many factors but most importantly the structure such as the condition of the rail and ties. A 1/2 inch flang of each wheel holds the train to the track
That's because nobody cares that Butty plug Added a bunch of carts for them to carry. State law requires trains can only be 30 carts long. Now since hes been in transportation We've had more train racks than ever And they're over 90 carts long Which is supposed to be against the law. For instance a train stop by where I live a man on the other side of the tracks was having a heart attack. Since the Ambulance had to go all the way around because of the Train stopped at the crossing by the time they got there he was dead. In my eyes The head of transportation needs to go to jail For murder!! And also for all the money he stole for my city!!!!
@made-in-the80s Sorry, but no. Derailments are roughly constant, at about a thousand a year. The number of really serious derailments fluctuates year by year. The number of fairly minor derailments like this one, that the media generally don't pick up on, is fairly constant. And the red herring is media coverage, which spikes as soon as there are a couple of fairly serious derailments in quick succession, and starts covering minor derailments that you wouldn't otherwise hear of.
@made-in-the80s Well, I don't think this channel is sensationalizing, though the news media often does. This guy runs a railfan channel, and a derailment happened close to him, so it's natural that he covered it.
@made-in-the80s Sorry, but he never said or implied that he knows more than the railroads. Sure, he doesn't mention those things but be also doesn't assign blame, speculate, or come to conclusions that are contradicted by what you wrote. As I recall, he says that he doesn't know the cause of the derailment. So, really, I don't see what you're complaining about.
UPDATE: This is how the railroad reported this accident to the Federal Railroad Administration - GA47 was in the process of delivering 44 cars to the CSXT at Howells when they were required to couple to a standing cut of 23 additional cars previously placed in the yard track by a CSXT assignment. After coupling to the standing cars NS GA47 began the process of shoving them in to the clear and, while in the process of stopping, the equipment began free rolling due to a train separation and the air being bottled on the 23 cars GA47 had coupled to. There were not any injuries related to this incident.
E30C Knuckle broken or defective
H305 Instruction to train/yard crew improper
Let me clarify some things.. Yes, the engines were being run remotely by the yard job. It was stopped preparing for the next move. It was exactly where it was supposed to be. NS was shoving the track next to it. They come every day to drop off and pick up cars. As they were shoving, a cut of cars went too far and collided with the side of the CSX remote engine. At this time i cannot say whether they were shoved or had broke loose and continued to roll downhill. Bottom line is a cut of cars from NS went too far, collided, and derailed, causing a fire on the remote engine. And yes, the white stuff on the ground is fire retardant.
The cats that went to the ditch were from 542 for ns, there's some things that were done that wouldn't have been done I won't mention, but for once a rc job isn't at fault. Howell is a bad place for the work they're trying to do there, but it's the new Tilford so good luck with all the bs lol. This isn't the first and won't be the last
Still. Profit over Safety. Cut crews, and unprotected shoves will happen more often.
The CSX units were apparently running as Remote Control Units. In early footage, while the fire was burning, the RC lights on the lead CSX unit were flashing.
Remote Control? Interesting. Is it common for that to happen, or were they testing a new system?
EDIT:Wow, I should really watch until the end of the video. Regardless, I was not aware RC Locomotives were a thing. Good to know :D
@@nyxw no, RC is fairly common in yards
Charlie, excellent reporting on this underreported incident. Quality production values as usual, too! Dan Page
It was on the local news in Atlanta.
Thank you, Dan!
Oh boy. Seems NS is always involved
Just can’t get a break.
2023 is jus not been their year
Thoroughbreds of Incompetence 🐴💥
man we dont even know if it was NS's fault
@@thedwaynerailfansit was
1702 is currently at the Waycross locomotive shop down in Rice Yard I've been to see it last night
NS wouldn’t give me a chance to work for them but BNSF did! I’m thankful for that.
Are you a conductor ?
@@currentfaves65no, dispatcher.
@@The90dayvegan Even better long term job, congrats !
Was a CT for 6 months at NS and the leadership/ process is a train wreck in itself
I was sitting in a yard office one time and an old head conductor from another crew was sitting in there drinking coffee and waiting for the Trainmaster and entourage to arrive. When the Trainmaster showed up he naturally asked the old head what had happened, to which the old head replied, “Obviously the track was too short”
Makes me think of one of the old cartoons, laying track furiously just ahead of the loco.
@@JelMain yes! 😂
Another great video V12 .
Thank you!
Awesome video! And amazing view of downtown Atlanta in the distance. Thanks! 💪🏾
Thanks for watching!
Top quality content on this channel. Very thorough. Thank You!
Thanks for watching!
When RJ Corman shows up it gets real expensive.
Big Facts.
I understand the meter begins ticking when they answer the phone.
@@pruittiiithat’s usually how it works
Or Chemtrec for that matter
Class 1s have plenty of money, they're not losing money paying rjc. They keep rjc going 24/7 system wide
CSX 1702 is being taken to the Huntington shops. I caught being towed on M692
Very Interesting and Not Unusual for Railroads to Meet at Intersecting Points. Can’t Wait to hear the Details. 6:28am should have been Daylight for Visibility. 🤔
Nice coverage Charlie! Saw this on the news yesterday, very interesting!
Thanks man!
Good reporting V12.
Always a good production. 👍🏻
That looks like the south end of the yard. For some weird reason the direction in that yard is reversed. The north end is where the yard office is located.
It looks like it happened on the South end of csx yard. They normally do work on that area
This is crazy I just saw 1702 a few months ago rolling through my town wow
First rate coverage, thanks much!
I have a video i saw from discord that has a security camera that caught the derailment.
Excellent video. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Have you ever gone to Pennsylvania to see the East Broad Top railroad if not they are bringing back all 6 steam locomotives and having more track south to run trains
That's on my list for sure!
NS trying not to be involved in a crash:
challenge impossible
It looks to me like the CSX train overshot the point where it was going to be clear of the switch and hit the NS train. 1702 is clearly fouling the switch. Perhaps the remote operator misjudged the speed and/or weight of the train (pure conjecture at this point).
Anytime time there is a remote control zone. The RCO foreman has the authority on the track of operations where the RCO train is being operated. Several things could have happened. Like he said the FRA will give a report and they are very efficient
RCL operator is allowed to foul switches when his zone is active. Cars free rolled into his zone causing the accident.
I gotta laugh. Why? I have a G scale layout, well, I purchased an NS loco only because I like their paint scheme...here's the laugh, it would NEVER stay on the rails no matter what I did, it also had a nasty habit of pulling the consist off the rails, even on straight sections!
I finally just scavanged it for spare parts. Worst loco in my fleet, and I've got CSX, Rio Grande, C&O and some Holiday(Christmas) loco's that were the same size as the NS I bought.
All of them, except the NS had no issues pulling the same consists without issues.
So, I won't be pursuing any more NS loco's for my G-Scale empire!
Just seems they take off on their 1:1 counterparts!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good lord Seems like NS's derailing habits are trying to spread to other railroads
are we really at this point where a railroad cant clean up its own mess? even the B&O known for being a some what weak road could clean up its own mess
it is disappointing that these are as common as they are, railroads are supposed to ship freight as efficiently as possible. Thank God something like this didn't happen on a high-speed mainline.
Shipping freight as efficiently as possible is the problem. That causes the railroads to slack in maintenance and training. The more maintenance and training they do the more money they lose.
Its not so much cutting training as cutting maintenence and cutting jobs. Every worker has more and more they are expected to do and it gets unsafe. All in the name of profit for the stockholders and CEOs.
@@guileishere8609I'm not a fan of trade unions generally, but it seems that the relevent unions involved with rail transport could stand to be a little stronger. Either that, or the regulations need to be tightened up.
Good reporting.
Thank you
Where are the NS locos?
The US needs to up it's safety and maintance standards. 1000 ish derailments is ridiculous. Fewer incidents = more profits by paying less insurance/ compensation.
I agree with being safe. I used to work for CSX. But the standards are already almost over bearing for us that are train crew. It needs to have new policies and laws on the regulatory side of things. CSX has safety standards above FRA recommendations/minimums. From my experience, it boils down to the lack of man power from the companies not willing to hire the right amount of MOW maintenance and mechanical staff to properly inspect and repair deficiencies and companies setting safety standards and then firing or reprimanding people for following those standards because it takes more time to get the train moving to its destination. They make you not want to report safety issues in fear of reprimand. That’s mainly why I left. Plus they force you to work knowing darn good and well you didn’t get to the hotel in time to get your full rest time then blame the bottom line employees for everything. Employees are miserable and that makes for an unsafe workplace because employees are fed up and just don’t care.
@@conductormike3step If you think safety is expensive, try a few accidents for costly! If Airlines had the same record as railroads, no one would get on a plane.
@@MrGus.1 I agree 100%. It just stinks that I was suspended without pay for 2 days for “causing a delay” because I found a bad order car that wasn’t safe to use and set it off. We left about 8 minutes late. I contacted a union rep and nothing ever came of it. I lost out and got a negative mark. For doing the right thing. The Fran of a coal hopper had a huge crack. These companies need to be accountable. I take safety very serious.
Railroads are self insured. CSX always goes beyond FRA regulations
@@4486johnboy they do on a corporate level. Depends on your managers. I have worked some great hubs and some horrible ones. My experience was mostly good but I’m much happier now and work for a better railroad making more. One that actually values safety at the lower management levels.
Are you sure the white "snow" is fire extinguishant and not the spilled plastic pellets?
It is definitely Fire Suppression Material. 👍
NS can’t stop having stupid derailments.
Derailments happen every day on every railroad
@made-in-the80sits stated that NS LITERALLY CAUSED THE DERAILMENT... what are you talking about
@made-in-the80s i read it and you said "this isnt NS" when the person said "NS can't stop having stupid derailments." obviously CSX is involved and CSX is shown in the video, but as the person stated: NS can't stop having derailments
@made-in-the80s NS collided with CSX and caused a derailment and fire. this was predominantly Norfolk Southern's fault. that's basically what happened
@made-in-the80s this derailment happened because of an interchange job: NS was bringing a cut of cars from Inman to Howell, and collided with CSX. CSXs locos are RCL, so ofc someone was controlling them from outside.
that's LITERALLY the basics of what happened and thats as deep as it can get basically. the video is right there for you to watch.
Listen people this is just the cost of operating a business. We fuck shit up daily. Sometimes it’s our fault sometimes it’s not. When you move mass amounts of trains/cars/tonnage things go wrong plain and simple.
Looks like they shoved the tanks back into the nose of #1702...
OMG 😲 😱
Oh god, this is horrible, the railway need to do something to do less derailement
Love from India 🇮🇳
Seamus charger I don't like P40 are the best engines 😢😢
Looks like The CSX train was lined out of the north end and got cornered by a blind shove on the south end or unsecured cars.
I think they were just 'Showboating' !
i knew you would make a video about it lol
Nice video
Thanks
"I know whats wrong wit it! It aint got no gas innit"
In all seriousness hope everyones ok.
A whole load of potted meat was salvaged from this accident.
Yet another derailment. Makes me wonder if these cars that are going off the lines are way too heavy, sparking the next question, are there DOT weight regs for rails like there are on Trucks running accross America's highway systems ?
yes there are but its not governed by a regulatory body. max weight is 286k
The railroad is governed by the (FRA) Federal Railroad Administration. The (DOT) is Department of Transportation. The weight allowed to haul is based on many factors but most importantly the structure such as the condition of the rail and ties. A 1/2 inch flang of each wheel holds the train to the track
Thanks for the info, as it's always good to know as much as possible .@@4486johnboy
@made-in-the80sNS shoved in and let cars get loose, the remotes nor CSX are at fault.
@made-in-the80s no, bled the cars off, after breaking a knuckle earlier and shoved without coupling up properly
🤣🤣 that's let go into a non home team sports event and getting into major trouble.
I wonder how this happened
They got even !😅😅😅
Did not know NS was involved, seen some coverage on the News, neat to see a derailment site being cleaned up!🛤🚂
They should restore it and run it on the mainline..
Good job
NS can't catch a break holy fuck. Maybe NS might be redone from the inside out and they can salvage their reputation.
Garant vs Norfolk Southern Railroad, Attempted Murder, Aggravated Manslaughter/Assault, and Fired Whistle Blower.
Why why why why
Because trains are run by people, and people sometimes make mistakes.
That's because nobody cares that Butty plug Added a bunch of carts for them to carry. State law requires trains can only be 30 carts long. Now since hes been in transportation We've had more train racks than ever And they're over 90 carts long Which is supposed to be against the law. For instance a train stop by where I live a man on the other side of the tracks was having a heart attack. Since the Ambulance had to go all the way around because of the Train stopped at the crossing by the time they got there he was dead. In my eyes The head of transportation needs to go to jail For murder!! And also for all the money he stole for my city!!!!
You don't know if it did?
Another day, another derailment. What is going on with 2023?!?
There are approximately three derailments every day in the US.
@@beeble2003 Jesus
@made-in-the80s Sorry, but no. Derailments are roughly constant, at about a thousand a year. The number of really serious derailments fluctuates year by year. The number of fairly minor derailments like this one, that the media generally don't pick up on, is fairly constant. And the red herring is media coverage, which spikes as soon as there are a couple of fairly serious derailments in quick succession, and starts covering minor derailments that you wouldn't otherwise hear of.
@made-in-the80s Well, I don't think this channel is sensationalizing, though the news media often does. This guy runs a railfan channel, and a derailment happened close to him, so it's natural that he covered it.
@made-in-the80s Sorry, but he never said or implied that he knows more than the railroads. Sure, he doesn't mention those things but be also doesn't assign blame, speculate, or come to conclusions that are contradicted by what you wrote. As I recall, he says that he doesn't know the cause of the derailment. So, really, I don't see what you're complaining about.
So I know this happened I was listening to wmaz13 news and they said a csx train derailed
Nice
Someone made a error.
It was all preventable. All human error
HFTA
Dang
god damnit norfolk southern
NS will never get a break😂
No shock. Profit over safety.
THEY WERE DRINKING TRAIN-quela while working 🍹 duh
NS railway should be for sale. Let another railroad take over their assets.
Not lying about that.
It's a big liability of their own.
NS at it again😂
Always NS...
Theys too much reglashuns fer the railroad magnates to makes a buck. Gotsa have No reglashuns...
Always Norfolk Southern
Corman 🙄
Boycott Norfolk Southern
trump gop derregulations ......keep cheering at rallies......
I’m sorry but that is a very uninformed statement.