Thanks for the great discussion regarding the bong sao. I like how you demonstrated that it is next to impossible to transition into the bong from a punch meeting another punch... Which is what many WC lineages propose.
I have a question about Bong Sau move/shape: 1. Should you put emphasis on rotating the wrist/palm until its maxed out and flared towards the opposition or just leave the wrist/palm in a neutral position, hanging? 2. Is it always the elbow part that's above the wrist? or vice versa? or is the shape more flexible? Thank you for you time, just wnat to learn more about Wing Chun Concepts and Applications
1. I fully rotate the posterior side of my wrist towards me i.e. if I had a watch on, it would be facing me. But, I try to keep my hand relaxed, so that it is "hanging" as you put it. 2. Elbow must always be above your wrist if you love your face ;) Hope this helps. Have a good weekend... or Sunday, if you're on the other side of the globe!
Idk im not an expert in WC or anything, but, I get the sense Bong Sau is more of an elbow parry/deflection/framing/lift parry The position reminds me of a cross guard
It’s a very useful technique. A few MMA fighters have their own versions of it now, probably learnt from trial and error during sparring practice, but it shows up quite often in our Siu Lim Tau, Chum Kiu, and Wooden Dummy forms, so it’s undeniably Wing Chun. And it’s definitely not just for emergencies, nor is it just for when you have no other options. Thanks for watching!
Step in! You can't just stand in one spot, bong sau, *not* take the opponent's space by stepping in and attacking, and instead wait in the pocket for something else to happen. That defensive game is not going to work.
I agree, but here, we’re strictly focusing on applying Bong Sau unbridged, through visual recognition; not through contact. It’s a purely technical and reactionary drill, not a tactical one. Thanks for watching!
I'm curious as to why you believe that Bong Sau is an emergency technique?... Because emergency techniques are contained in Biu Jee, but Bong Sau is initially taught in Siu Lim Tau. And, Bong Sau Lap Da and Chi Dan Sau are both exercises that include Bong Sau, and that precede double hand Chi Sau. Anyways, thanks for watching!
It looks like you are trying to look at this from a logical point of view, I commend you. You are totally misunderstanding the intent of bon sau. If you try using it in the manner shown in the video, you will leave too many openings without counter attacking simultaneously. It simply won't work. If you think it will, go to a boxing gym and stress test it. That's what I did. You need to step back and look at WIng Chun and find where it has utility , the people who used it and why they used it. It is a puzzle, that's why I've stayed withit for 30 years. This style was never meant for the masses. Most people teaching Wing Chun don't understand it. The people who do understand it aren't teaching it, except maybe to their relatives. Good luck on your journey. Like Bruce Lee said" if you want to learn how to swim you have to get into the water".
It seems like we’ll have to agree to disagree. Because it does absolutely work. And you don’t have to believe me. You just have to look at the UFC fighters who are making it work, and then not giving credit to it being a Wing Chun technique. And it works in boxing too but it’s harder because of the bigger gloves, and the no knees, elbows or takedowns rules. When you’re allowed knees, elbows and takedowns, people don’t march into the pocket so willingly. But boxers like Floyd Mayweather used Bong Sau and so did Andre Ward just to name two popular champions. There are more, you just have to like to study film. Thanks for watching!
Timing and distance. Muay Thai fighters use elbows, but they also use fists, knees, kicks, clinching and sweeps. A lot of it depends on timing and distance.
Dont waste your time @GaryMaWingChun sportsman's always seem to think self defence doesn't work. It's not a sport, lol wing chun is self defence. Huge difference.
I agree. There's definitely a huge difference between self-defence and combat sports. At the same time, I also think that Wing Chun guys could do really well in MMA because of the smaller gloves and the rule set. And, because several UFC fighters and champions have used Wing Chun techniques in the Octagon with great success. Thanks for watching!
Great video, I've always wondered about the effective use of bong Sao outside of a wc vs wc fight. You answered really well. Appreciate it man
I appreciate it! Glad it was helpful!
A lot of thinking and work behind the scenes! Thanks a lot, Sifu!
I appreciate that! Glad you liked it!
Thanks for the great discussion regarding the bong sao. I like how you demonstrated that it is next to impossible to transition into the bong from a punch meeting another punch... Which is what many WC lineages propose.
Thanks for recognizing the value in what I’m trying to convey in this video. I appreciate it!
I have a question about Bong Sau move/shape:
1. Should you put emphasis on rotating the wrist/palm until its maxed out and flared towards the opposition or just leave the wrist/palm in a neutral position, hanging?
2. Is it always the elbow part that's above the wrist? or vice versa? or is the shape more flexible?
Thank you for you time, just wnat to learn more about Wing Chun Concepts and Applications
1. I fully rotate the posterior side of my wrist towards me i.e. if I had a watch on, it would be facing me. But, I try to keep my hand relaxed, so that it is "hanging" as you put it.
2. Elbow must always be above your wrist if you love your face ;)
Hope this helps. Have a good weekend... or Sunday, if you're on the other side of the globe!
I didn't click the next video, I subscribed instead, good knowledge, I'll be a regular lol
Welcome to the channel!
That's one beautiful wooden dummy right there
Thank you! One of my students made it. Unfortunately, he retired from making them.
Idk im not an expert in WC or anything, but, I get the sense Bong Sau is more of an elbow parry/deflection/framing/lift parry
The position reminds me of a cross guard
It’s a very useful technique. A few MMA fighters have their own versions of it now, probably learnt from trial and error during sparring practice, but it shows up quite often in our Siu Lim Tau, Chum Kiu, and Wooden Dummy forms, so it’s undeniably Wing Chun. And it’s definitely not just for emergencies, nor is it just for when you have no other options. Thanks for watching!
I think the Bong Sau can be all those things with adjustments.
Step in! You can't just stand in one spot, bong sau, *not* take the opponent's space by stepping in and attacking, and instead wait in the pocket for something else to happen. That defensive game is not going to work.
I agree, but here, we’re strictly focusing on applying Bong Sau unbridged, through visual recognition; not through contact. It’s a purely technical and reactionary drill, not a tactical one. Thanks for watching!
We call it the oh shit redirect as in its used only for emergencies
I'm curious as to why you believe that Bong Sau is an emergency technique?... Because emergency techniques are contained in Biu Jee, but Bong Sau is initially taught in Siu Lim Tau.
And, Bong Sau Lap Da and Chi Dan Sau are both exercises that include Bong Sau, and that precede double hand Chi Sau.
Anyways, thanks for watching!
It looks like you are trying to look at this from a logical point of view, I commend you. You are totally misunderstanding the intent of bon sau. If you try using it in the manner shown in the video, you will leave too many openings without counter attacking simultaneously. It simply won't work. If you think it will, go to a boxing gym and stress test it. That's what I did. You need to step back and look at WIng Chun and find where it has utility , the people who used it and why they used it. It is a puzzle, that's why I've stayed withit for 30 years. This style was never meant for the masses. Most people teaching Wing Chun don't understand it. The people who do understand it aren't teaching it, except maybe to their relatives. Good luck on your journey. Like Bruce Lee said" if you want to learn how to swim you have to get into the water".
It seems like we’ll have to agree to disagree. Because it does absolutely work. And you don’t have to believe me. You just have to look at the UFC fighters who are making it work, and then not giving credit to it being a Wing Chun technique. And it works in boxing too but it’s harder because of the bigger gloves, and the no knees, elbows or takedowns rules. When you’re allowed knees, elbows and takedowns, people don’t march into the pocket so willingly. But boxers like Floyd Mayweather used Bong Sau and so did Andre Ward just to name two popular champions. There are more, you just have to like to study film. Thanks for watching!
Why use fist you can use albow to strike
Timing and distance. Muay Thai fighters use elbows, but they also use fists, knees, kicks, clinching and sweeps. A lot of it depends on timing and distance.
Dont waste your time @GaryMaWingChun sportsman's always seem to think self defence doesn't work. It's not a sport, lol wing chun is self defence. Huge difference.
I agree. There's definitely a huge difference between self-defence and combat sports. At the same time, I also think that Wing Chun guys could do really well in MMA because of the smaller gloves and the rule set. And, because several UFC fighters and champions have used Wing Chun techniques in the Octagon with great success. Thanks for watching!
Why don't we see one person use wing Chun successfully in the UFC?
Oh we do! Weren't you suggesting that I do a video on Sean Strickland on my Alex Pereira video? Anyways, thanks for watching!
Anderson Silva!
Anderson the wing chun master @ champion
Tony Ferguson
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Why don’t you use the one hand to deflect the incoming punch and keep the other hand in the center line and deflect and punch at the same time???