Did Life on Mars Self-Destruct?

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  • Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
  • An overview of the possibilities of life on Mars and recent science that suggests that it may have gone extinct by its own doing.
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  • @rarabbb
    @rarabbb Год назад +177

    I love these ones with JMG it might be 15 mins long but I find I have to listen to it 2 3 times as it eases anxiety and of to sleep sometimes within 5 mins , you've a real gift to the community thanks again John and anyone helping behind the scenes these episodes really make my week ♥️😁

    • @JohnMichaelGodier
      @JohnMichaelGodier  Год назад +147

      I love that I can have that effect. Seriously, that's very important to me. It makes my content valuable above and beyond science commentary. Sleep, relax, and escape from the anxiety and dream of what may be. And be well.

    • @rarabbb
      @rarabbb Год назад +11

      @@JohnMichaelGodier the fact you take the time out of what I'm sure is your busy schedule to interact with one of your fans just shows how much of a down to earth and caring person you truly are thanks again can't wait till thrusday for my next instalment wither it's exploring space with you and your guest or the history EPs which I really enjoyed a couple months back, keep up the amazing work! 😄

    • @LisaAnn777
      @LisaAnn777 Год назад +5

      @@JohnMichaelGodier I love your videos for that! You have a very relaxing voice and im always fascinated by these subjects so it really does help relaxation.

    • @everythingisokmjmklfrth
      @everythingisokmjmklfrth Год назад

      @@JohnMichaelGodier
      God likes you.

    • @GaiaCarney
      @GaiaCarney Год назад +3

      ryan smyth - I can relate. JMG’s ‘Fermi Paradox’ playlist works better for me than ANY anti-anxiety medicine. If I fall asleep to it, then awake, it’s profound how at peace I feel 🥰

  • @barendscholtus1786
    @barendscholtus1786 Год назад +69

    I totally buy into that solution of the Fermi paradox: that there is microbial life everywhere in the universe, but that the step up to intelligent, technological, space faring life is exceedingly unlikely and the time window with most stars is too short.

    • @homerinchinatown2
      @homerinchinatown2 Год назад +14

      Seems like it would be amazing but anti-climactic at the same time: life starting is common in the universe (wow!) but life lasting and/or evolving to meaningful intelligence almost never happens (oh....). We're not technically 'alone', but it could seem like we might as well be....

    • @Eckendenker
      @Eckendenker Год назад +6

      the common rebuttal would be, that this earth still has a couple of hundreds of years left and life only took 400Mya to get from walking fish to talking apes. If humanity was snuffed out today it would probably not take another 400Mya for intelligent life to get on track again. There are decently intelligent animals with potential alive today that are not apes.

    • @charleslivingston2256
      @charleslivingston2256 Год назад +9

      @@Eckendenker The point was that although microbial life showed up very early, multicellular life did not show up for a long time. In our case, it took more than half of the Earth's habitable lifetime before that happened. Once that happened, there was an explosion of complex life as evolution was able to diversify to fill all those available niches. If it is that much harder to progress from microbial life to multicellular life than for microbial life to arise, then multicellular life could be rare even if life is not.

    • @Tain950
      @Tain950 Год назад +7

      Study estimates there may be up to 6 billion Earth-like planets in our galaxy. I find it hard to believe that a couple of those “earth like planets” don’t have intelligent and technological life on them. That being said this does not necessarily mean that any of those intelligent civilizations on other planets have made enough technological advancement to contact us. I also can’t help but speculate that there have been other civilizations on other planets outside of our galaxy that have perished from catastrophic elements and events.

    • @prophetic0311
      @prophetic0311 Год назад +3

      Most stars have life spans of trillions of years, wtf are you talking about?

  • @Brainlessness7138
    @Brainlessness7138 Год назад +69

    Such a awesome channel and made me realize my love for all things space. Never stop making videos JMG

    • @CmdrTigerKing
      @CmdrTigerKing Год назад

      ruclips.net/video/JdHytrXVoQo/видео.html best video from John imo

    • @LisaAnn777
      @LisaAnn777 Год назад

      🪶 🐍

    • @sarcastaball
      @sarcastaball Год назад

      What if he starts making antisemitic, holocaust-denying videos exclusively, like total hogwash? Should he never stop making those? What if he becomes some kind of leader-figure among white supremacists, gaining a huge and rapidly growing audience/fanbase through these videos? You still want him to continue churning out videos?

  • @georgewbushcenterforintell147
    @georgewbushcenterforintell147 Год назад +19

    I have some strange obscure thoughts from when I was a kid and I love when John validates one of them from time to time .

  • @jacobalford6167
    @jacobalford6167 Год назад +8

    Jon I’ve watched all your videos for a long time now and I love all of them. Not only do they help sleep but I have found a new passion and curiosity with space and the origins of life. I hope you continue to make content for years to come. You and Sea are the two channels I always recommend for space content, your theories and interesting views on the universe mixed with the long documentary style videos that Sea creates just fascinating! and nobody does it quite like you two. Thank you Jon for being yourself and please know that you do have some really loyal subscribers including myself.

    • @JohnMichaelGodier
      @JohnMichaelGodier  Год назад +12

      Thanks Jacob, and I'm not going anywhere. This is what I love and this is what I am. There is nothing I'd rather be doing.

  • @tayzonday
    @tayzonday Год назад +218

    I’m Martian and I’m right here. I have dual citizenship.

    • @mitcharcher7528
      @mitcharcher7528 Год назад +12

      Do Martians tax expats?

    • @TheFos88
      @TheFos88 Год назад

      Tay, do you come in piece? Or whole?

    • @batrachian149
      @batrachian149 Год назад +45

      This is like seeing Bryan Cranston buying milk at the grocery store.

    • @faron4685
      @faron4685 Год назад +7

      I knew it.

    • @lucifermephistophilies6629
      @lucifermephistophilies6629 Год назад

      You have a duel personality problem. There are no more martians. They died out completely 500 million years ago. The last of they're technology sleeps deep beneath the Antarctic ice sheet called the Oberon Module. 👽

  • @ooee6383
    @ooee6383 Год назад +18

    Yea this one was pretty dark. Thanks for the reassuring fact that most likely we'll run into terminators instead of biological life. Really starts my morning off with existential dread. This is what I'm here for. Thank you for the upload Mr. Godier, exceptionally spine chilling.

    • @deusexaethera
      @deusexaethera Год назад +3

      Take heart in the fact that your own existence was so stupendously unlikely that you've already won the biggest lottery imaginable. Whatever happens to you from now on just adds or removes a couple decimal-9's from the probability.

    • @jerrilehane7815
      @jerrilehane7815 Год назад

      @@deusexaethera people on Mars 6 inches & 5 ft talllike us,think gullivers travels.See pics Jerry Lehane Mars

  • @brentwilbur
    @brentwilbur Год назад +12

    Geo Girl recently did a video about water ice, illustrating that the ice we know - Ice 1h - might be rare. It's possible that life as we know it may depend on more than just liquid water, but the phases of ice that are possible on a given celestial body.

  • @joeshabado1431
    @joeshabado1431 Год назад +27

    That clip of alien birds landing on a tree is driving me nuts. I know it's from a discovery documentary from pre/early HD television because I remember it every time I see it used. But for the life of me I can't remember what it was. It's personally lost media lol

    • @chistinelane
      @chistinelane Год назад

      .

    • @chancebrown98
      @chancebrown98 Год назад

      Was it ancient aliens? I thought I remembered it from that. Maybe has been reused by discovery

    • @chancebrown98
      @chancebrown98 Год назад

      Or reused by history channel

    • @francisbean8733
      @francisbean8733 Год назад

      Yyyyyy

    • @chistinelane
      @chistinelane 2 месяца назад

      There's a documentary about an astronaut traveling to the far future that I've been looking for for years.
      I'm guessing a lot of science documentaries are lost media

  • @Ryze115
    @Ryze115 Год назад +4

    Been absolutely enthralled in these videos. Your way of explaining subjects and the angle you come from is so interesting... can safely say is one of the only channels that gets me properly thinking!

    • @iamBlackGambit
      @iamBlackGambit Год назад

      i suggest 'history of the universe', 'sea' and melodysheep, melodysheep i kid you not has the BEST space computer graphics i have ever scene and the music he uses is top tier, highly recommend it!!

  • @saml753
    @saml753 Год назад +4

    Best part of any day is discovering you’ve posted a new video! Amazing work

  • @jacobmar2797
    @jacobmar2797 Год назад +9

    Just realized I always click "like" at the beginning of each JMG video instead of waiting for the middle or end.

  • @jeremygriffin620
    @jeremygriffin620 Год назад +8

    I happened to be looking up sand dunes and saw a picture of Dune 7: Namib Desert, Namibia. I wanted to read about it so I reached over to pause your vid, Michael. I paused it at 5:38 and it is breathtaking how similar Dune 7's structure looks to the deposits shown on your Mars image.

  • @yeet-qi7ys
    @yeet-qi7ys Год назад +21

    you never disappoint John. a great video and a great concept as always

  • @Chris.Davies
    @Chris.Davies Год назад +2

    Betteridge's Law of Headlines says, "No!"
    But I will listen anyway - just because it's you, John.

    • @JohnMichaelGodier
      @JohnMichaelGodier  Год назад +3

      Never been a fan of Betteridge's law. If it were 1935 and I wrote a newspaper article entitled "Will the Human Race addict itself to a handheld supercomputer that fits in the palm that everyone obsessively checks multiple times a day in less than 100 years?" no one would have published it and the answer was yes, it's the smart phones. I actually collect headlines that violate that so called law. My favorite is from 1904, and in a nutshell it's a criticism that Mr. Carrier's Cold Air machine will never have a practical use, and was hype. It's now known as the air conditioner. You can play with all sorts of violations of it. Write a headline in 1950 that says "Will we be on the moon in 20 years?". We were. In 1780 you could sensationally ask "Can we Preserve Food in Vessels for four years and eat it?" Yes, it's called shelf-stable food canning. Or 1789, "Can we blow up a Japanese city with the rock Klaproth recently found?". Yes, in 1945. Not really sure why putting a question mark at the end of a sentence became some kind of law.

  • @livetotell100
    @livetotell100 Год назад +6

    Look forward to your vids. Keep it up! Love them!

  • @mirrecords
    @mirrecords Год назад +6

    Usually youtube does not notify me about your new videos. But for some strange alignment of the planets, it did today, and now, it's a better day.

  • @deusexaethera
    @deusexaethera Год назад +2

    It's important to remember that there isn't a clearly defined boundary between chemical reactions and self-sustaining life. Even nowadays it's entirely feasible to watch microbes gorge themselves until they drown in their own filth; it happens every day in countless petri dishes around the world. I 100% support the idea that a plausible solution to the Fermi Paradox is that life rarely manages to become widely-varied enough fast enough to start regenerating the environment as fast as it burns through the available resources. Hell, we're doing that again right now.

  • @davidhayward119
    @davidhayward119 Год назад +4

    I like that. "Are we alone? ...No, not always..."

  • @jjacobrose
    @jjacobrose Год назад +13

    I absolutely love your videos! Keep up the good work :)

  • @LAMPROS311
    @LAMPROS311 Год назад +2

    It seems that spooky October goes on and on forever. Thank you for another great video, kalimera from Greece, currently happy that you have included references to greek mythology into this interesting subject.

  • @bryanshoemaker6120
    @bryanshoemaker6120 Год назад +4

    This makes me think of the giant Crystal Cave. A horrible generic name I know. It was completely sealed off, it had its own atmosphere which was extremely deadly to us humans but there's a whole range of Critters living down there. Not microbes but actual Critters.
    Then think about how long it took us to find it. We humans has been digging and Drilling and leveling entire mountains at times, looking for a resources. This cave was a fairly new discovery.

  • @Big_Sierra
    @Big_Sierra Год назад +2

    Just discovered your channel, currently binging your content! Keep it up, sir, very good stuff here.

  • @geminisundone
    @geminisundone Год назад +3

    Always in bed, drifting away to your chilled narration.

  • @bootygrease2796
    @bootygrease2796 Год назад +4

    How would the Great Oxygenation event look if it happened on Mars? Is it reasonable to think it would have happened over a shorter timespan, and would shorten the timer for aerobic life to evolve and stabilize the environment?
    I really dislike having a biosphere sample size of 1.

  • @gabrielahmad1294
    @gabrielahmad1294 Год назад +1

    I love your videos and all the possibilities! Thank you JMG, please continue to expand our possibilities.

  • @hailstone7470
    @hailstone7470 Год назад +2

    always a nice night when john posts a vid

  • @M4M1610
    @M4M1610 Год назад +2

    Hi John
    Here’s a few ideas you never hear alien theorists talk about.
    What if aliens are microscopic and are in fact the ship itself rather than travelling space in a disc.
    We anthropromorphosise thinking they would look like us and be in a metal craft but it’s very earthling way of thinking

    • @KM-kl2wu
      @KM-kl2wu Год назад +1

      What if we are microscopic aswell? Have u imagine that too?

  • @takster050974
    @takster050974 Год назад

    I was just looking back in all your video’s, hoping I forgot to see one. Just to have a new one to listen and watch. But nope didn’t miss any of your videos. Thanks for the good work. 👍😄

  • @rodfaragini7110
    @rodfaragini7110 Год назад

    Great segment, keep these coming John. Love to just sit back close my eyes and and take all this in that you provide

  • @Life_Is_Torture0000
    @Life_Is_Torture0000 Год назад +1

    My favorite night time channel when I'm unwinding, trying to get ready to sleep.

  • @kimwilliams3214
    @kimwilliams3214 Год назад

    Hey John, long time fan. I just want to thank you for some beautiful sound quality in your videos. Dunno if it's you or a team or what. Either way, your voice sounds great and the sound quality is very consistent across videos.
    Content's always been on point but it's SO nice to put your channel on to fall asleep to. It really helps when the volume isn't peaking all over the place, I can focus on what you're saying instead of constantly fiddling with the volume button.

    • @JohnMichaelGodier
      @JohnMichaelGodier  Год назад +2

      That's audio normalization, it takes the recording as a whole and smooths out the volume overall to prevent peaks and retain consistency. I use the same settings for all videos. Event Horizon has a team, but on this channel it's still just me. Other than researching and writing the script, the audio editing takes the longest for a video. Luckily, I used to be a musician, so I already knew the process for polishing up audio and was able to adapt it for spoken word. The strange thing is that the sleepy effect also works on me. I can edit the raw audio no problem, it's just me talking, but the moment I bed the music these tracks take on a life of their own and become JMG videos. As a result, I'm ready for a nap after my final listen through, as though it wasn't me that just recorded it. Very odd trance-like effect. Works on Event Horizon as well, I often have very little recollection of conducting those interviews, as though I go on some kind of autopilot. And I can then go back and listen to those interviews without ever consciously realizing it's me hosting. Pretty weird, but that's how it works.

  • @dr.pepperphdindeliciousnes1396
    @dr.pepperphdindeliciousnes1396 Год назад +15

    John, great video as always. I'd be curious to know if you personally think Mars is worth investing in (such as building bases or even terraforming one day), or do you think we should invest elsewhere like focusing on other parts of space to explore?

    • @JohnMichaelGodier
      @JohnMichaelGodier  Год назад +43

      I support missions to Mars of course, but I'd tend to favor building fully self-sufficient O'Neill cylinders as far as colonies go, but there's also the upper atmosphere of Venus that's interesting since it's actually more earth-like than anywhere in the solar system.

    • @Madamb2
      @Madamb2 Год назад

      would be better to focus on the earth from now, humans might not even be alive when the sun expands! we'll get to terraforming mars and possibly venus once we've managed to save our own planet first, for the next few hundred years mars will be best left as scientific study and nothing else.

    • @mabs9503
      @mabs9503 Год назад

      @@JohnMichaelGodier The scary thing about floating structures in Venus's or a gas giant's atmosphere is losing buoyancy or lift. What contingencies can there be if something goes wrong?

    • @jr2904
      @jr2904 Год назад +4

      Mr pibb is better, however I don't want war. I simply want choice. Good question though

    • @dr.pepperphdindeliciousnes1396
      @dr.pepperphdindeliciousnes1396 Год назад +2

      @@JohnMichaelGodier Good point. I wasn't even thinking about Venus until you said it. A future Europa mission will be interesting to see as well.

  • @gcqsopus
    @gcqsopus Год назад +1

    Glad to hear your voice again!

  • @lewis7315
    @lewis7315 Год назад +1

    John, one thing you may not have talked about is balloon type habitats floating high in Venus's atmosphere... They would have adiquate gravity along with lots of gasses, chemicals to make what you need... and the temps are Earthlike at altitude...

  • @bradleypoe6846
    @bradleypoe6846 Год назад +3

    Main Video: So it looks like there ought to be math to apply here. Perhaps you plug some numbers (modal planetary temperature, modal planetary pH, water content, magnetic field strength, etc.) into a *Statistical Extinction Equation.* Most of the time you get a Medea world (self-destructive) but occasionally the world reverts to the *median* versus the mean (average) or mode (most common). Meaning if a planet dwells in the middle numbers long enough, then you get a Gaian world. But that's the catch: statistics don't usually hang out in the middle that way. That's why you get to avoid calling it the Life Equation--which is good for lawsuit prevention. ;)
    Ending: And I don't bring up Tabby Boyajian's Star all that much either, for precisely that reason. =)) IF the superficial appearance of rampaging Dyson Swarming around line-of-sight stars in the parsecs around Boyajian's Star are what they seem to be, and not just magic weirdo DuUuUUUUuuustt, then it would seem OUR star could be on someone's list. I Do NOT Like To Think Like That. (please pardon the Southern Caps, but I don't want to completely scream that) If I have to dote upon stars with possible wayward life, I'd rather stick to flagrant necro-signatures and/or star systems so young they barely have planets, never mind life. Meaning: Easy Mode. =)) Because there's nothing I could do--hell, nothing anyone including the late Stephen Hawking could do--about a mid-stage Diamond Age bunch of exo-technological-persons like what could be snarfing up Boyajian's Star. If they showed up here they could just TAKE our sun from us, ignore us entirely, and there would be less than nothing we could possibly do.

  • @valerielhw
    @valerielhw Год назад +3

    I think that "intelligent" life on earth is currently "self-destructing".

  • @nathishvel5725
    @nathishvel5725 Год назад +1

    This reminded me of what happened to life down in Antarctica. As the continent moved to the south, and S.America and Australia separated from it, so the ocean currents swirling around Antarctica had an unimpeded path. This cut off global ocean currents bringing warmth to it, and without warmth, the continent froze. Coupled with global temperature changes, in a span of a few million years, flora and fauna had to adapt from temperatures similar to today to way below freezing. Remember, life was trapped with no way to escape to the other continents. And so entire ecosystems simply froze to death, unable to evolve to survive the cold and dark conditions. Sure, you have still Antarctic Moss and Penguins, but the extinction rate was punishing. It must have been a slow, bleak outlook for those organisms. And even though they didn't cause the great freezing, Antarctic life was lost to time anyway. Did this happen to Mars, and could this happen to Earth? In the vast scales of time, it is anyone's guess.

  • @Dragrath1
    @Dragrath1 Год назад +1

    There is a lot of this Martian history which is highly dependent on the assumptions used to interpret the limited data we have. For example some work indicates most evidence of water on Mars has characteristics which best match subglacial flows which could mean Mars never had a substantial atmosphere being an ice shell world instead punctuated by violent transient flows largely localized to volcanic regions.
    We really need more data, however with the little seismic data we got from Insight before it died to Martian dust showing a larger less dense core which if the majority of the lower density material is hydrogen as seems likely then that could naturally have self terminated the Martian dynamo before it could even begin.
    In regards to the time life requires there are some interesting correlations between thermodynamic modeling and limited geologic data which suggest the late start of complex life as we know it may have been thermodynamically constrained. In particular this has to do with the faint sun paradox and the evidence that little if any land existed on Early Earth. It has been noted that the hydration of rock is a process which is thermodynamically constrained as in heat inhibits this reaction keeping water separate from silicates which given that Earth's water budget and isotope ratios appear fully consistent with its total silicate mass. Given the increasingly violent nature of models for the proto-Earth Theia collision to form the Earth Moon system it seems probable that these fluids likely coalesced rapidly along with their rockier counterpart minerals in the two molten worlds with the pressures and temperatures likely being extreme enough to result in the fluid being at least partly supercritical ergo oceans from the start before the crust can even solidify, moreover these would likely have been massive deep oceans far deeper than modern oceans as they were both hotter and contained much if not most of the water now locked in mineral hydrates within Earth's mantle so at the minimum 4 times the water of our oceans so more than enough to drown the early continents far beneath the surface. The planet would however cool so barring the bombardments and emergence of life which happened around this time the planet would start cooling down thus allowing more water to combine with silicate minerals to form hydrated minerals(clays and the likes). This would gradually cause ocean depths to drop as the planet cooled.
    Based on some simulations of this process it is interesting that the emergence of continents into sunlit depths happens to coincide with a major event in Earth's history the great oxygenation event, this seems bizzare unless you have been reading up on the latest work studying anaerobic metabolisms of Earth which have identified the inherent poor evolutionary fitness of aerobic photosynthesis the extraction of molecular hydrogen for carbon fixation using water as the hydrogen source. This has to do with our good friend quantum mechanics as it turns out oxygen has one of the highest electronegativities of all elements with only Helium & Neon ions or Fluorine surpassing it. In terms of chemistry this means that it takes a lot more energy to split hydrogen atoms with their electrons intact from the oxygen atoms thus there are very few energy sources which can do this with water compared to other sources of hydrogen ranging from plain molecular hydrogen at geothermal vents, hydrogen sulfide or dissolved ions using dissolved ions as electron donors for fixing carbon. Anaerobic sources will thus naturally be able to utilize resources at deeper depths thus depleting them and preventing oxygen from taking over so long as you have resource constrained conditions where mineral resources primarily diffuse from the seafloor into the water column.
    Once sunlight can reach the seafloor this bottleneck goes away as aerobic photosynthesis can compete with other carbon fixation pathways thus oxygen levels can rise, but only so far. Thus you can explain the first Great Oxygenation Event and why oxygen levels bottomed out as the oceans stayed anaerobic for the next 1+ billion years with aerobic life restricted to the shallow waters of the continents. We can actually see evidence for this hypothesis based on the phylogenetics of aerobic bacteria and metagenomics of Asgard archaea showing that Eukaryotes closest relatives are all found in shallow largely freshwater environments with the oldest known aerobic organisms in the oceans to coming about until the late Neoproterozoic.
    The mineral hydration can explain that second spike too since that appears to be when the mantle cools enough to support lower density hydrated minerals which are capable of accumulating beneath subducted slabs to form buoyant thermochemical plumes highly enriched in accumulated sediments dragged into the mantle with subducted slabs. Just the sort of drastic influx of volcanic fertilizers during the formation of a new interior ocean within a rifting supercontinent to help aerobic life colonize and compete with anaerobic life to high enough concentrations to poison anaerobic primary production.
    Notably this process also helps answer one of the major questions of why and how plate tectonics has gotten deeper and faster over geological time since the layer where the critical mantle hydration occurs at descends deeper into the planet as it cools and the chemical process can naturally release the energy needed to power such a dynamic process.
    The interesting thing with this model is it suggests life on Earth advanced in complexity within a few million years of when it became thermodynamically possible to do so. If this thermodynamic argument can be generalized you may be able to calculate the expected timescale needed for complex life on a world of a given size and as a consequence of the square cube relationship between volume and surface area its a nonlinear relationship with the hydration process occurring far more rapidly in lower mass planets. Its very well possible if not probable that Mars underwent a similar cycle early in its history likely on the order of a few hundred million years I wonder is that enogh for complex life to make the jump? Could there be a minimum threshold?

  • @staticgrass
    @staticgrass Год назад +1

    Plant life on land didn't develop until the Earth's magnetic field reached sufficient strength, I think this is when the inner core fully formed. Until land plants form its very difficult to envision any kind of animal life evolving on land. This may also be a great filter that explains why on a planet did life evolve so quickly yet took so long for sentient land life to develop to a point where it could put a tesla into solar orbit.

  • @davidmorton8332
    @davidmorton8332 Год назад +3

    Interesting to see Human intelligence through the prisms of the Gaia and Medea hypotheses. Which will be ultimately choose ? To self regulate or to extinct ourselves ? The fact our mythology came up with both suggests the human collective unconscious knows it is a live question. Great video.

  • @giuseppersa2391
    @giuseppersa2391 Год назад

    Greetings to you John Michael... I've just had your video with a cup of coffee.. Absolutely stunning as always! Thank you from Cape Town South Africa 😎🌻🇿🇦

  • @stevoplex
    @stevoplex Год назад

    Your statement about "stability and abundance " as a factor in the persistence of life on Earth got me thinking. Even abiotic and inorganic chemistry requires some instability to initiate and accumulate. A bit of turbulence and temperature variations in a heterogeneous solution with varying concentrations of the appropriate molecules makes abiogenesis possible, however improbable. A microbial world with too much stability cannot compel, convince, coerce or inspire microbes to mutate and diversify beyond a narrow monoculture that ultimately consumes its resources and drowns in their own poop ( where overabundance creates the mechanism of its own extinction. ) So, stability and abundance are both necessary but insufficient for the persistence of life. Diversity is the other key factor. Diversity of forms that thrive in a variety of environments require the proper amount of stability and abundance to emerge over time, and contribute significantly to the persistence and resilience, hence the abundance and stability of the biosphere as a whole, even as individual species arise and die off relatively rapidly. Fascinating post. Thanque for the inspiration! 😃

  • @petemagyar5276
    @petemagyar5276 Год назад +1

    Interesting post. If you are curious about this, I would definitely recommend that you check out what nasa is doing with their rovers. They are going to mars and looking for life and other things in the sand. If anyone knew whether life would self destruct there it would be them now. Check it out.

  • @jmanj3917
    @jmanj3917 Год назад +1

    I've always thought it possible for all of humanity's stories of the "Battle of Evermore", the Yin/Yang, the Good vs. Evil, all of these might be referencing the two worlds of Earth and Mars.

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Год назад

    Another fantastic video, John! Thanks!!! 😃
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @jeeves314
    @jeeves314 Год назад

    It's good having you back!

  • @SMGJohn
    @SMGJohn Месяц назад

    The best guy who can talk so much that has no meaning, yet sound like it does.

  • @Rampageotron
    @Rampageotron Год назад +1

    Great vid. Really puts into perspective how important RNG is for an intelligent species to develop.

  • @Anarkitty420
    @Anarkitty420 Год назад +5

    I'm a simple man, I see you upload a video I click

  • @AndrewReilly-of3rx
    @AndrewReilly-of3rx 6 месяцев назад

    Im a big believer in the dark forest theory myself, ive had some very challenging life experiences " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"friedrich nietsche from bitter experience i concur!

  • @Anti-ImperialistNPC
    @Anti-ImperialistNPC Год назад +2

    Your videos are the favorite part of my daily routine. I get the notification on my phone on nights like this and think to myself today's a good day

  • @maiqtheliar789
    @maiqtheliar789 Год назад +3

    Mars potentially having had life at some point is terrifying but Mars never having life would be just as scary. Same with Venus if we can ever explore there to find out. Having had life and then losing it shows just how on the razors tip of habitability we really were and still are. Same if both of them turned out to have always been dead planets. If Earth were the only planet to have developed life let alone advanced life in a solar system with 3 planets with water in the habitable zone then those are lottery odds against developing life.

    • @johngeier8692
      @johngeier8692 Год назад

      All traces of any life on Venus are likely to have been erased by the extreme heating of the surface and geological activity.
      Mars may have had simple unicellular level life very early in its history. We may be able to find microfossils.

    • @mariomoneta2833
      @mariomoneta2833 Год назад +2

      But it's obviously that they are lottery odds against developing life even if you have water and are in the habitable zone, if life were that easy we would have already find life or we would have been colonized

  • @howtoappearincompletely9739
    @howtoappearincompletely9739 Год назад

    Very nice, and I appreciate the darkness. 🙂
    Thanks for th'introduction to the Medea hypothesis.

  • @jamesfry8983
    @jamesfry8983 Год назад +1

    Mars still has a liquid core and more magnetic field than previously thought, but still not enough for humans.

  • @bigstupidgrin
    @bigstupidgrin Год назад

    I really need to rewatch all these instead of listening to them. Ok and also picking a playlist and falling asleep to them too XD. The visuals are great.

  • @stricknine6130
    @stricknine6130 Год назад

    Great way to start my Tuesday. Thanks for the video.

  • @alabama2uz
    @alabama2uz Год назад +2

    I'm still waiting for the notification.

  • @sizanogreen9900
    @sizanogreen9900 Год назад

    Recently saw a documentary on curiosity stream regarding new discoveries in the field of underground life. Especially chemosynthethic life seems to be basically everywhere it can be so it is reasonable to assume that there is a layer of microscopic life going down somewhere around 10 km below the surface basically everywhere(varying on local geography of course).
    That being the cas I find it hard to believe that if Mars ever had life some vestiges of it don't stick around in a similar manner below the surface.

  • @rockscousteau
    @rockscousteau Год назад +2

    I am pretty shocked one of those rovers has not seen something definitive

    • @jesustapped
      @jesustapped Год назад

      It very well could have, and has been scrubbed to control the narrative. As slim as that chance is, it is still possible.

    • @Sashazur
      @Sashazur Год назад +3

      Aside from ruined buildings/tech or dead aliens, what would you consider definitive that could be seen?

  • @adzz8012
    @adzz8012 Год назад

    In which we liiiiiiiiiiive. Thanks mate, you make life here on earth here a lot easier to handle by posting.

  • @lamaahruloma4270
    @lamaahruloma4270 Год назад

    Possibilities of endurances and Evolution of the Archeaea Domain always surprise me. I can imagine many ways such life, could have occured and also further evolved in this otherwise empty or emptying niche.
    It can be even Archeaea living inside something unlivable inside a Soviet Probe, that became it's protective shell or injected it into subterrean area of the Mars with more or less liquid water. Archeaea love perchlorates, salt, radiation, lack of oxygen. But what creates the oxygen?

  • @pdutube
    @pdutube Год назад

    Typically awesome video! Thank you JMG! At about 13:00 in the video you mention one aspect of the habitability of a planet as being its size. There's a condition of Tsiolkovsky's rocket equation that describes an upper limit of a planet's mass versus radius where chemical propulsion is impossible, due to the sum of propellant mass and payload to achieve escape velocity. There could be habitable worlds featuring intelligence that cannot achieve escape velocity using our path of chemical propulsion. Scientists have proposed that the solution would be to build vast aerial platforms to raise a reasonably gigantic rocket to achieve orbit. Of course, there is always the nuclear solution.

    • @JohnMichaelGodier
      @JohnMichaelGodier  Год назад +2

      Indeed, the rocket equation limits chemical rockets to about 1.5 earth masses. But it's thought habitability goes all the way up to two earth masses. There's always nuclear as you say, but that may suffer a different problem. More massive worlds may have more rare nuclear resources, less uranium at the surface etc. It really is an uphill battle for worlds larger than earth and it wouldn't be surprising if there are locked in civilizations on larger worlds.

  • @gekkobear1650
    @gekkobear1650 Год назад

    Old Gods, New Enigmas by Mike Davis, part 3 Kropotkin, Mars, and the Coming Desert. Absolute must read

  • @davidmorton8332
    @davidmorton8332 Год назад

    The French Sci Fi drama " Missions " explores this. It's on BBC iPlayer for UK viewers.

  • @Yezpahr
    @Yezpahr Год назад

    I love the self-awareness, going full doomsday-esque great silence, but then topping it off with the notion that maybe a past civilization made von neumann probes and they'll fill up that emptiness just fine.
    Not sure if that's even more bleak than the great silence or if that's fully solving the great silence, but that's great writing indeed.

  • @hugo-garcia
    @hugo-garcia Год назад +1

    How does Mars had liquid water in the past if the sun on the past was way cooler that it is now? Scientists still have no certain about how even earth had liquid water on the past let alone Mars. This is called the "faint young Sun paradox"

  • @jmanj3917
    @jmanj3917 Год назад

    0:45 This makes me wonder if, when we are looking for habitable planets to visit, maybe we should try finding new, volcanic, rocky planets as the target. Or we should do so until our technology is advanced enough to travel at a significant percentage of the speed of light. This way, by the time our generational ships get there, it will have had the time needed to potentially become oxygenated. This way we avoid embarking on such a long trip that, by the time we arrive there, we find only a worn-out world that is long past its prime for human habitation.

  • @EdwardAlcala
    @EdwardAlcala Год назад

    Always good to see John upload

  • @hakrj12
    @hakrj12 Год назад +2

    I was wondering if you could do a video on what humans would do in relation to zoo hypothesis if we were the aliens.
    Like ... if we found a Neanderthal level civilization do you think we would contact them? Uplift them? Just watch? Interfere if the eventually evolved technology and were about to go nuclear?

    • @talon12020
      @talon12020 Год назад +1

      Given humanity's history if they have anything of value they won't last long once we're aware of it.

  • @louithrottler
    @louithrottler Год назад +1

    Totally off topic but just wondering if you ever read much Clark Ashton Smith, John?

  • @look4lec
    @look4lec Год назад

    Good Stuffffff Bro, can't wait for more, I liked and dinged the bells, all of them

  • @talkingmudcrab718
    @talkingmudcrab718 Год назад

    14:30 "Immortal machine civilizations that nothing can destroy except the Heat Death of the Universe."
    Isaac Arthur: Hold my beverage, and a snack...

  • @calladioiniaferstar
    @calladioiniaferstar Год назад

    Thank you for this wonderful video I've learned so much from your Channel I'm now taking up astronomy as a hobby

  • @iwanjones8619
    @iwanjones8619 Год назад

    I often wonder how people who don't wait on John's uploaded with held breath and just stumble upon a video react to the ever growing length of 'universe in which we liiiiiiiivvvvvvveeeee'.

  • @davidlhamilton3305
    @davidlhamilton3305 Год назад +1

    Do you have audio books?

  • @IggyGeCaton
    @IggyGeCaton 9 месяцев назад

    It's very saddening that astronomy is neglected and not taught to kids at school properly. It's such a beautiful subject and needs to be more mainstream in education.

  • @blakegripling2923
    @blakegripling2923 Год назад +1

    What was the name of that movie about this? The one where they go to mars, they enter the Mars Face and its an alien artifact and it plays all this. Spot on!

    • @eliasshaikh2065
      @eliasshaikh2065 6 месяцев назад

      It was a Disney movie called MISSION TO MARS, it starred Gary Sinise. Around the same time another movie also came out called RED PLANET starring Val Kilmer.

  • @wordclock707
    @wordclock707 Год назад

    The more one studies the geometry and the astronomical correlations of the structures in Cydonia, the harder it is to dismiss it all as chance.

  • @jimreaper1337
    @jimreaper1337 Год назад

    Hey JMG, could you maybe explore how the probability of the Big Bang actually happening?
    I mean, entropy dictates that everything moves from ordered to chaos, a set of atoms arranged in the formation of a cup. If it falls, the cup shatters, the highly ordered state becomes chaos... The universe at its beginning or just before was highly ordered, then somehow out of this order a small, hot, dense pin point formed and burst out into everything we know today as the universe becomes more chaotic, which is highly improbable!!
    What's more probable in the otder of billions, upon billions of times more likely to happen, is that the universe and everything in it just suddenly popped into existence last Tuesday
    Maybe also how we get all this stuff, from essentially nothing, would be a great little analysis from my fav content creator

  • @CognitiveDissident.
    @CognitiveDissident. Год назад

    Another very important thing to keep in mind about atmospheric CO2 levels - if we drop below 150 ppm, all plant life on Earth goes extinct - and even at 400 ppm, we are at a historic low point.

  • @andyoates8392
    @andyoates8392 Год назад +1

    I love the thought that there might have been two, if not three abiogenesis events in our solar system. “third time lucky” ! 🌍 🤓💚♾️

  • @ourcommonancestry6025
    @ourcommonancestry6025 Год назад

    Nice overview

  • @j.d.4697
    @j.d.4697 Год назад +2

    Yeah it did when they saw us coming.
    I know I would.

  • @wetbobspongepants
    @wetbobspongepants Год назад

    That was very well done and thought provoking.
    Anyway, so long and thanks for all the fish.

  • @keithrobinson7201
    @keithrobinson7201 Год назад +1

    My wife has always asserted that Mars was inhabited by humans and did exactly what we are doing on Earth.

  • @davedogge2280
    @davedogge2280 Год назад +1

    would be sad to find out that Mars has always been a dead planet with no living life on it that once thrived.

  • @bluekhalifatm9131
    @bluekhalifatm9131 Год назад

    Thanks for the upload

  • @hashemkaeraky6395
    @hashemkaeraky6395 Год назад +1

    Greta video as always
    It's always a good day when JMG posts

  • @chadlarson4149
    @chadlarson4149 Год назад +1

    What music/songs are used in the background of the videos?

  • @aroemaliuged4776
    @aroemaliuged4776 Год назад

    @5.15 ..
    I think their is a paper saying the magnetic field is inconsequential in life originating

    • @Azamat421
      @Azamat421 Год назад

      They don't know anything

  • @Scrubermensch
    @Scrubermensch Год назад

    Possibly the darker video of this channel. Really cool paradigm

  • @GeorgeChoy
    @GeorgeChoy Год назад

    happy Lunar New Year

  • @winstonwins1096
    @winstonwins1096 Год назад

    If you look around the Fermi Paradox may be simple. Being intelligent enough to ask why, while never really being able to answer that question in any ultimately satisfying manner compiled with arrogance, selfishness and destructive tendencies may make so-called intelligent life extremely short lived. If you take the age and size of the universe into account it may mean a very sad state of affairs. Two intelligent civilizations in close proximity in time and space would likely be devastating for the lesser evolved of the two. Look at what humans do to each other. Look at how evil and calculating our most powerful world governments and leaders are. Imagine what they could accomplish if they could tell themselves these people aren't just lesser humans but less than humans. So in essence this may be a blessing.

  • @atticus-mt8et
    @atticus-mt8et Год назад +1

    Good video.

  • @spectralvalkyrie
    @spectralvalkyrie Год назад

    I read that opals were found on Mars, reminding me of Aphrodite's love for Aries. 💞

  • @KirstenBayes
    @KirstenBayes Год назад

    That went so dark at the end. And I am here for it.

  • @SeeDeeSea
    @SeeDeeSea Год назад

    What I find weird is that some narrators think that talking quickly without pause, jumping from topic to topic, makes them sound more intelligent.

  • @mikeharrington5593
    @mikeharrington5593 5 месяцев назад

    If you ascribe to the Earth zoo hypothesis, then it's just as easy to ascribe to the idea that aliens may have moved genetic material from Mars to Earth to watch it develop further. That would make us the results of an evolutionary experiment.

  • @drdarrylschroeder5691
    @drdarrylschroeder5691 Год назад

    Hello - The small humanoids originally lived within the planet. Later, when water ran out, they migrated to another planet. Before that, they were in contact with Earth, and engaged in processes as to how to transport water from our globe to theirs. Eventually this became untenable and they were forced to withdraw. For a while only the scientists were left behind, working sub-terranean, but at last left.