Placed my order today for a 2022 f150 5.0 and it’s now an option to cancel Deactivation. X52 is the option and it doesn’t cost anything. The dealer said it’s due to shortage of chips that has caused Ford to offer it. So HELL YEAH
You’re dealer lied to you. 52x is the auto start stop eliminator, meaning your engine won’t shut off and run on aux power when at red lights and stop signs. Dealers want you to believe this rids the engine dripping cylinders but it doesn’t. You know more about the 5.0 from 5 minutes on RUclips than any ford salesman. They’re all scum and it’s time to let us Americans buy straight from the factory and cut out dealerships.
The battery monitoring system does more than decide about activating auto start/stop. It also varies the load on the alternator to provide the right amount of voltage to the battery depending on the battery charge state. With the monitoring system deactivated, the controlling computer thinks the battery voltage is low and will default to max charging all the time and not only cause extra drag on the engine it might over charge the battery.
yeah I really don't like the idea of doing this...like another comment said you still have to push a button to bypass the warning screen on startup, why not just push the auto start/stop off button and leave the battery monitor alone? Plus I'd bet the Ford Pass smartphone app will complain about it too and you'll end up with a ton of alerts if you defeat the battery monitoring system...
@@mattgerb17 if be worried that doing that could cause lifter failures like on the hemis and chevys when you disable it without doing the physical delete.
@@mattgerb17 the hemi guys I've talked to have told me they fail in v8 mode usually, they cut a lot of oil flow when they go to v8 mode, and when you swap to non-dod lifters you also permanently unblock the oil pressure that used to be used for DOD, and make it pressurize the lifters 24/7. Otherwise why wouldn't they just unplug the solenoids so they can't collapse the lifters and not have to buy a bunch of extra parts?
I have a 2016 rebel with only 36000 mile and it just started tapping , this cylinder deactivation is such Abad idea. Even if I fix it in still going to be worrying when will it happen again. Thank you for your in put im looking to change to a f150 5.0 . You help take away some fear. Will wait on more up dates from yiu guy. God bless.
It's fastly become the least reliable engine in the F150 lineup. Cylinder deactivation, and a wet belt driven oil pump is not conducive to reliability. Ford is making their trucks harder and harder to work on...trying checking the fluid level on your 10 speed and you'll see my point.
@@jtjtrs8806 cylinder deactivation and the belt driven oil pump are brand new for 2021. We don't have much data to see their long term reliability. The 10 speeds also has issues. The previous 5.0 and 6 speed were indestructible.
@@mmholling87 you just answered your self , not real life data to prove, you talking bad about something with out proof just make you seem like a hater , you might not be but it shows ,
@@jtjtrs8806 you honestly think a rubber belt is going to last longer than a pump running off a crankshaft using a steel gear? Name one other engine that uses this design? I'm an actually mechanic and not a contractor working on houses. You have 3 trucks....I've seen thousands.
The problem with unplugging that battery monitor cable from that BMS sensor is that now you actually change the charge rate at which it keeps the battery charged in that vehicle now I'm not saying it's not going to be sufficient but the vehicle may see that as an issue and it starts shutting down features online that create an issue for the customer because it can't monitor the battery so it says you know what let's disable the passive entry system let's disable the door keypad let's disable ambient lighting these are things that are not needed for the vehicle to run if we can't see what's going on with the battery Now I've had people try to disable their auto start stop in older vehicles and this was a problem because they go up there and they unplug that or unplug the connector underneath that the trailer brake module to stop the auto start stop and then other things start disabling inside the vehicle and I had to track down what they were doing to put all that bad information to rest because it eventually down the road started affecting other things that were not working on the system Theoretically all you'd have to do is save a junk old battery just enough to get the vehicle to start leave the battery monitor on board with that bad battery let's just say 60 to 70% charge rate that that battery has or life I should say lifespan and it will disable that it'll start stop and active fuel management anyway and then take the regular battery and put it back in the truck and until everything is reset it's going to stay disabled. I don't know I just wanted to put this here so people have more information I don't think people quite understand these systems like they think they do it actually works much more complicated than what most technicians even care to realize but when you get into the description and operation on how the system works there's several pages of what that battery monitor system actually does it's more than just the few things that you mentioned in this video
Really like your channel guys. Thanks for great Ford content. I'm considering a new F150 and your videos are greatly helpful. I'm also a Mustang guy and have a 2012 Boss 302 (white on black) in the garage with just 25K all original miles. She's a keeper for sure! Stay safe and healthy.
My 2021 5.0 burns oil on every startup. It went from full on the dipstick to add oil after 800 miles. The truck has 3300 miles on it and is going in to the dealer this week.
Thanks guys I just ordered a 21 platinum and especially concerned about bypassing the aggravating start stop feature as well as 4-6-8. Great to see to brothers working together and foresure going to have a channel that will be hugely successful soon. Just don't let that successful screw up your brotherly love for each other. Thanks again
HELL YEAH! This is the kind of content I wanted to see about the 2021 F150 5.0 motor! I’m definitely considering a new F150 instead of waiting even longer to make my Bronco reservation into an order! I really like the SuperCab 4x4 5.0L with the STX package in Lead Foot Grey. Much love from Texas, y’all!
Thanx I wasn't happy that they also did away with steel sleeves in the cylinder walls. Ford said that BMW helped them with the new process of plasma arc the cylinder walls. Also a oil separator is a plus on this motor.
Cylinder deactivation shines when you’re going downhill. When I would go home from Calgary to south of Kelowna (~680km) from a full 98L tank, I would have a quarter tank left. And I wasn’t always easy on the pedal, plus construction zones. Going back was sketchy on a single tank. I think I made it one time.
Just so everyone knows....the cylinders do NOT stop and start rotating. Only the fuel stops flowing to the cylinder....so the engine life is not compromised at all. The only thing compromised is sound....the exhaust sounds different when you have modified the pipes, and cyls are deactivated.
Your clueless. Engine life is heavily compromised with dod. History is your friend, try and do some research going back to the 70’s when this idea originally came out, it freezes valves in various positions in those 3 or 4 cylinders
I’m pretty sure you can go to auto zone and buy just a trailer plug and put it in and it will deactivate both the cylinder deactivation and start/stop. This is because when you are towing a trailer it won’t do either of those things.
Wow, that was easy. My Grandpa would have bought a 2021 with the 5.0, of course that stuff would need to go. My dad may be getting one in a couple years so definitely thank you
I have a 2021 STX 4X4 . My truck doesn’t have the stop start feature. As a mater of fact it’s on my window sticker saying it doesn’t have it , of course there was a small charge added to the truck for the elimination of the stop start .
Great info brothers, this and my jlt catch can will be the first things I do on my 2021 when it gets here, I wish the aftermarket would get going on products for theses trucks, I’m hoping my S&B cold air intake off my 2018 will fit by just blocking the unneeded vacuum port 🤞, great video guys, love your channel so much, cheers
@@onefastboi14 As a first time Ford owner coming from owning Toyota’s I had a couple concerns at first. It seems like they have worked themselves out and so far really enjoy the truck. The 5.0 with the 10 speed auto has plenty of power and will not disappoint. What I am most blown away by is that after 1100 miles of all city driving I am averaging 19 miles to the gallon! And that’s even all hilly terrain in Pennsylvania. My tundra was averaging 13.7 mpg. With the same driving and terrain. So far…I am happy with the truck.
@@DakotaDave17I have grown up inside a ford dealership. Whole working career. The new 5.0 is supposed to be pretty durable. Mechanics don’t like the spray on cyl walls etc because they are non machinable to repair with the spray on. The up side is that unmodified and spending it’s life commuting or towing a boat that’s less than 50% of tow capacity… it’ll last me quite a while. Cyl deactivation is a highly debatable subject due to the measures ford took to correct known issues. I took the gamble. Truck runs like a scalded dog.
Bought my 2023 5.0 in December and love it. Solid engine/power and build so far. I like it more than the 2.7 F150 I drove for a year before this. And I really liked the 2.7. I just like the 5.0 more.
While I'm not a proponent of cylinder deactivation, in overhead cam engines, they simply use a cam profile change to institute it. It doesn't require the fancy valve lifters in an pushrod setup that often fail causing damage to the cam lobes. OHC engines either directly accurate the rocker arms, or use direct tappets. I just feel it's rather pointless when VVT already retards timing on all cylinders at the same time, also reducing fuel burn. Since 3rd gen, the 5.0 just isn't as durable a motor in general. The 2.7 may have an oil pump belt, but I've never seen one fail early personally, and it isn't common at all. Everything else about that motor is built like a tank, and stock to stock, it will hand a 5.0 it's lunch. That being said, the 5.0 is still light years better than any has motor from GM or Dodge.
I was under the impression that the 4th gen 5.0 motor was improved and had solved some of the issues in earlier generations. I am asking since I was considering the purchase of a new XLT with the 5.0 V8 while they are still available.
I just bought a 2024 Nissan Titan and that 5.6L Endurance V8 to me is wayyyyyyy more robust than that 2.7L EcoBoost V6 and not to mention the Titan is extremely underrated as well.
@@CJColvin You know, I also just purchased a 2024 Titan a week ago and will be taking it down Hwy 395 to see how it does. Very comfortable and nice features and anxious to see what kind of mileage I can eek out of it. I only wish it had a console shifter with manual shift mode. The column shifter is okay but not quite as ergonomic for manual shifting. For just a week, it does seem like a lot of truck for the money.
Look into forscan. Free software and you can disable the battery monitoring system easily with that. Just need an ob2 dongle. You can also enable a lot of other cool features.
Thanks! Just drove home my regular cab short box 4x4 coyote home last Tuesday. Really appreciate the gen 4 update info and quick tip on the cylinder de-activation. Hopefully something like the Range plug in module will be available soon for the F150. As an aside, I ordered it to my specs in November of 2020 and it just got here.
I've got a 2022 5.0 KR on order, and only way I was able to get it scheduled to be built is if I added the stop/start delete option...wonder how that plays into the battery management system or if I'll even have that plug.
exactly! It's not that tough to just hit the auto atop button when you get in the truck, and actually if I'm driving through the city or any area with a lot of stop lights I turn it back on since it makes a noticeable difference in fuel economy - the starter is designed for auto start/stop, no reason to completely disable it
On my ram hemi 8 speed i just put it in manual mode and scroll up to 8th gear and the transmission shifts through all its gears like normal and bypasses cylinder deactivation. I wonder if you can do it on the fords? Trucks been running on 8 cylinders since I drove it off the lot. To me cylinder deactivation is just more headaches and really doesn't save you fuel. I still get 21 mpg doing 75mph on a road trip and between 16-17 mpg in the city.
So I read in the comments this doesn’t disable the cylinder deactivation, but running in sport mode does. So why not run in sport mode 24/7? What are the disadvantages of this? Why buy a tuner or supercharger when you can just use sport mode? New 22 v8 owner here
I just tested this on my 2021 F150 STX 5.0 and can confirm that it does indeed disable auto stop/start. It DOES NOT; however, disable Cylinder Deactivation. I have a muffler DELETE and can hear it kick in and out as clear as day. So back to the drawing board for that.
I've been testing this more myself. I took a couple hour trip out of state. I thought that I could tell it was activating some at highway speeds but not so much at lower speeds, say up to 30 maybe 40 mph. Can you tell it's activating at slower speeds still? For me, it seems to not activate around town any longer.
@@BackroadDriver When I first unplugged the battery module and drove it, I thought for certain it was not activating at low speeds (20-40mph). But after going a few miles it started kicking in normally at all speeds it seems to kick in at (Basically above 15mph). So I think it was just the cold engine keeping it from kicking in. I'm beginning to think only some software intervention will disable it permanently.
Coming back to this video because I just got my own 2021 F-150 XL SuperCab STX 4x4 5.0 in Lead Foot Gray! Definitely gonna do this and other things too! Gonna watch your exhaust video again next. Much love from Texas!
I'd advice caution. This isn't some mechanical fix like a heater core valve fix for Ram trucks that is clear in consequences. Don't mess with sensors because you don't know what's behind the scenes and if codes were written in ways that handles missing sensor data. Modern car's electronics are complex, you might create a problem elsewhere down the road. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies perfectly to electronics.
My 21 5.0 came with the auto start/stop delete option, I just have a blank where that button goes. This video equates cylinder deactivation to the battery monitoring system to the auto start/stop feature. Question is, does that mean I do not have cylinder deactivation?
You can’t change the failing mechanism made for cylinder deactivation by simply unplugging it. The nuts and bolts of it are still there. Might as well use the engine the way it is designed to work.
Can you just pull the deactivation switch out of the dash and tie the wires together Then put the switch back in?I saw that done on a different vehicle
The belt is similar to Harley Davidson drive belt... Deactivation cylinders turned into a failure for General Motors years ago because of the wear from firing and not firing cylinders and I believe I heard that Sport Mode turns it off while driving
Carbon is good for the environment for one and two these tyrants are flying around in business jets and driving in armored tahoes and bentleys while telling us we need to be green
Cylinder deactivation is good, here's how to bypass it so it doesn't destroy your engine. Disable your battery monitor so you get to click OK every time you start up instead of clicking the other button every time. As a bonus you don't have to be bothered by an alert telling you that your battery or alternator is starting to go bad, you get to enjoy the surprise no-start!
Billions of miles have been driven without vehicles telling people when their alternator or battery was "going bad", and nobody died. Put your big boy pants on.
@@bobbybarnes1652 I didn't say anyone would die, put your big boy pants on and understand that it's dumb to eliminate something that might keep you from being stranded. Billions of miles were driven without any of the comfort or safety features we have in today's cars, by your logic we shouldn't care about any of them.
@@DonziGT230 Nobody's gonna be stranded. We all own cell phones. Call a tow truck. Meanwhile, don't wreck your engine with cylinder deactivation. You might want to unwad those panties, big boy.
I just ordered a 2021 F 150 5.0. (in Sept 2021)... On the order form I deleted Auto Stop/Start. Will this effect cylinder deactivation? Does it void the warranty? Thanks for the videos!
I think they upgraded ring packs because they've been burning oil since 18'. But then again you said in another video that yours is using oil and it's a 2021. so maybe they didn't upgrade them enough?
Another thing that ford engineers have said as well is to use a slightly thicker oil like 30 weight or preferably 40 weight. 50 is recommended only for heavy towing or track use because of the engine load causing the bearings to possibly be split out and the film shearing. Ford for the mustang gt say to use 20 weight but a guy took it on the track but didn't use 50 weight and ford said racing is allowed but for that application the wrong oil was used. If you pay to get a bolt on supercharger on your 5.0 from ford they'll switch your oil cap to say 50 weight even though they didn't change anything else inside, just threw a bolt on in. That really tells you everything. Overhead cam engines can use thicker oil than the overhead valve in my new truck. I ran both 10 and 15w-40 in my old f150 instead of 5w-20 piss and that's the reason why my 5.4 lasted beyond 200k and without any oil burning or valve train issues at all. Ford later admitted that the thin oil is crap but they had to for cafe standards. In south America and Australia where they didn't recommend 20 weight for that exact engine is where they didn't have issues like over here. Thank goodness I used my intuition and still used thicker oil. I'd highly recommend ford's diesel oil for these gas engines or shell rotella. The anti wear package on both is one of the highest you can get at any walmart. And no diesel oil doesn't harm engines that dont burn oil. If it burns oil it will accelerate the poisoning of the cat but the both the anti wear package and viscosity of the oil is what prevents that in the first place however if you start using it before it burns oil. so do so if you actually care about your engine. Dont if you'd rather have been counter Gov regulations ruin your engine.
Thanks for watching! We made this video quite a while ago. We have figured out that unplugging that connector doesn't fully deactivate cylinder deactivation. The computer figures it out and it comes back on. We are working on an update video and will probably remove this one from our channel. We have mentioned this in some of our videos since but not everyone watches them all.
I know what you talking about, my 2020 makes thw rattle at cold and it does some clunking whenever it feels like it but my boss just got a 2021 5.0 lariat and it is way more raffined than mine
Great channel. Looking at the VMP superchargers because of this channel. Crazy question but how much was your gas mileage effected on the WOLF when you made the switch. That’s assuming you have driven a full tank of gas without Multiple burnouts.
Ford always insisted that wet belts are solid and they proved them out yet I've seen those belted disintegrate on the 1.0L Ecoboost. It's cheap and that's why Ford went with it. They are confident the belt will last the warranty period, that's it.
Same here. Contemplating buying one while the incentives last. Not much info out there. I work for Ford manufacturing, some of our guys had issues with oil consumption on their 2018 - 2019s one had an engine replaced under warranty. No one had reported on a later model yet.
A few videos after this one we did some additional testing and it does not completely stop cylinder deactivation. Leave it plugged in for now unless auto stop start drives you crazy. Hopefully a plug in defeat device will come to market.
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I ordered a 21’ to get away from the timing/vct issues that plague these engines. My 19’ had the tensioners replaced at 2k miles and now at 35k it’s starting to make the same noise again.
Love your content guys, just got my 21 5.0 last week and love it, I’m just curious, where do y’all get your information on the cylinder deactivation? Thanks!
This never make sense to me and I’m a logical guy who’s done a lot of work on engines. I have two 5.0 F150’s 2012 and 2017. Why on earth would I want to run 4 cylinders instead of 8. If you have 8 guys working on a project and you tell 4 guys to go home you will wear those 4 out early. Let and 8 be an 8 and share the work . The engine will last longer. It’s as bad as the stupid shutting off and on at the lights all the time. The starter will not last. Oh and ask Toyota about timing belts on their v8’s back in the day. Has to be changed every 90k. Expensive job. These engineers have short memories. GM never mastered their engine deactivation issues for 20yrs and im sure Ford has it figured out. 😂😂😂. Laughable.
Some guys try to tell themselves that it won't have problems because it's DOHC instead of pushrod but it's not as though Honda hasn't had problems with cylinder deactivation. I mean, Ford hasn't even mastered cam phasers and timing chains after how long, they aren't going to perfect DOD right off the bat. Ford's 1.0L Ecoboost uses a wet belt to drive the oil and I have seen a sickening number of those belts shredded to bits. Why is it so hard for Ford to just do the right thing if they want the oil pump down in the pan? Put a double roller chain on it at the very least. I'm sure all of us would gladly pay the cost difference to get an engine with beefy long lasting chain drive at least.
GM been playing this game for 5 generations now, over 65 yrs, still no good. It’s just a bandaide to meet CAFE while making the engine 50% less reliable. Ford added this to their 2022+ V8 trucks. I don’t think it’s on the mustang V8 yet.
Thanks so much gentlemen! I have hated cylinder deactivation even since it was invented. Can you believe that GM has still not been able to come up with a better solution for the Corvette? I'm a Ford guy, but I do love the Corvette; all Corvettes (Mary Barra has ruined that company). One question about the F-150: will unhooking the negative terminal clip on the 5.0 have any effect on the ProPower lithium battery or generator, if you get that option too? I like the 3.5 twin turbo PowerBoost, but I would prefer to get the V8 if at all possible. I just found you guys today. Keep up the great work.
The 5.0 is definitely a great motor I have a 2013 with 270,000 miles on it no problems with the engine just regular maintenance
Placed my order today for a 2022 f150 5.0 and it’s now an option to cancel Deactivation. X52 is the option and it doesn’t cost anything. The dealer said it’s due to shortage of chips that has caused Ford to offer it. So HELL YEAH
You’re dealer lied to you. 52x is the auto start stop eliminator, meaning your engine won’t shut off and run on aux power when at red lights and stop signs. Dealers want you to believe this rids the engine dripping cylinders but it doesn’t. You know more about the 5.0 from 5 minutes on RUclips than any ford salesman. They’re all scum and it’s time to let us Americans buy straight from the factory and cut out dealerships.
Are you sure that’s not the start stop delete?
@@cliffmorrison1130 it's start/stop...... I just got mine ordered without because of the chip shortage lol. Let's Go Brandon!!!
Same here, I ordered my 5.0 stx but I just saw auto/stop start delete, I wonder if it also come with deactivation .
Just got my 21 f150 stx 5.0 last week. Hope it won't be the last of the v8s. It has tons of power and the engine sounds awesome.
How much you pay? Looking at trading in my 2014 stx 5.0
Have you put premium in it yet? If not do so, it's actually factory tuned for it and pulls timing on 87
@@Bighoss22 48k but compared to my 08 f150 its a lariat lol
Sheesh just picked mine up for $40k today
21 4x4 STX w the 5.0
The battery monitoring system does more than decide about activating auto start/stop. It also varies the load on the alternator to provide the right amount of voltage to the battery depending on the battery charge state. With the monitoring system deactivated, the controlling computer thinks the battery voltage is low and will default to max charging all the time and not only cause extra drag on the engine it might over charge the battery.
Extra drag on engine? maybe. Over charging the Alt? No. Ford BMSs keep the batteries at too low a state of charge anyway.
yeah I really don't like the idea of doing this...like another comment said you still have to push a button to bypass the warning screen on startup, why not just push the auto start/stop off button and leave the battery monitor alone? Plus I'd bet the Ford Pass smartphone app will complain about it too and you'll end up with a ton of alerts if you defeat the battery monitoring system...
Cylinder deactivation is the reason there isn't a new truck in my driveway this year.
It's super simple to disable with forscan
@@mattgerb17 if be worried that doing that could cause lifter failures like on the hemis and chevys when you disable it without doing the physical delete.
@@Prestiged_peck physical delete? No idea what that means. The lifters in them were only failing when those cyl were deactivated.
@@mattgerb17 the hemi guys I've talked to have told me they fail in v8 mode usually, they cut a lot of oil flow when they go to v8 mode, and when you swap to non-dod lifters you also permanently unblock the oil pressure that used to be used for DOD, and make it pressurize the lifters 24/7. Otherwise why wouldn't they just unplug the solenoids so they can't collapse the lifters and not have to buy a bunch of extra parts?
If only the public at large were educated and cared. Fuck these companies
I have a 2016 rebel with only 36000 mile and it just started tapping , this cylinder deactivation is such Abad idea. Even if I fix it in still going to be worrying when will it happen again. Thank you for your in put im looking to change to a f150 5.0 . You help take away some fear. Will wait on more up dates from yiu guy. God bless.
I hope Ford never stops selling the v8
It's fastly become the least reliable engine in the F150 lineup. Cylinder deactivation, and a wet belt driven oil pump is not conducive to reliability. Ford is making their trucks harder and harder to work on...trying checking the fluid level on your 10 speed and you'll see my point.
@@mmholling87 I respect your single opinion , but I have 2 in my work fleet and brother has 1 , no issues brother , ford for life
@@jtjtrs8806 cylinder deactivation and the belt driven oil pump are brand new for 2021. We don't have much data to see their long term reliability. The 10 speeds also has issues. The previous 5.0 and 6 speed were indestructible.
@@mmholling87 you just answered your self , not real life data to prove, you talking bad about something with out proof just make you seem like a hater , you might not be but it shows ,
@@jtjtrs8806 you honestly think a rubber belt is going to last longer than a pump running off a crankshaft using a steel gear? Name one other engine that uses this design? I'm an actually mechanic and not a contractor working on houses. You have 3 trucks....I've seen thousands.
So glad mine came with cylinder deactivation deleted. Best thing the chip shortage as ever done for me 🤣.
How do you know it came with cylinder deactivation deleted?
Pretty sure it might have came with auto start stop deleted but cylinder deactivation is still active on the 5.0 V8.
@@BackroadDriver 👍
The problem with unplugging that battery monitor cable from that BMS sensor is that now you actually change the charge rate at which it keeps the battery charged in that vehicle
now I'm not saying it's not going to be sufficient but the vehicle may see that as an issue and it starts shutting down features online that create an issue for the customer because it can't monitor the battery
so it says you know what let's disable the passive entry system
let's disable the door keypad
let's disable ambient lighting these are things that are not needed for the vehicle to run if we can't see what's going on with the battery
Now I've had people try to disable their auto start stop in older vehicles and this was a problem because they go up there and they unplug that or unplug the connector underneath that the trailer brake module to stop the auto start stop and then other things start disabling inside the vehicle and I had to track down what they were doing to put all that bad information to rest because it eventually down the road started affecting other things that were not working on the system
Theoretically all you'd have to do is save a junk old battery just enough to get the vehicle to start leave the battery monitor on board with that bad battery let's just say 60 to 70% charge rate that that battery has or life I should say lifespan and it will disable that it'll start stop and active fuel management anyway and then take the regular battery and put it back in the truck and until everything is reset it's going to stay disabled. I don't know I just wanted to put this here so people have more information I don't think people quite understand these systems like they think they do it actually works much more complicated than what most technicians even care to realize but when you get into the description and operation on how the system works there's several pages of what that battery monitor system actually does it's more than just the few things that you mentioned in this video
Really like your channel guys. Thanks for great Ford content. I'm considering a new F150 and your videos are greatly helpful. I'm also a Mustang guy and have a 2012 Boss 302 (white on black) in the garage with just 25K all original miles. She's a keeper for sure! Stay safe and healthy.
Thanks Michael! Don’t keep us a secret. Share our channel with your friends.
My 2021 5.0 burns oil on every startup. It went from full on the dipstick to add oil after 800 miles. The truck has 3300 miles on it and is going in to the dealer this week.
Awesome now all Ford needs to do is mate the V8 to the 7.5 kw generator and I am in...from a GM Guy!!
Thanks guys I just ordered a 21 platinum and especially concerned about bypassing the aggravating start stop feature as well as 4-6-8. Great to see to brothers working together and foresure going to have a channel that will be hugely successful soon. Just don't let that successful screw up your brotherly love for each other. Thanks again
That trick disabled auto start/stop, too? I am sold!
Great information here Gents. Solid video!
We didn't have a chain driven oil pump before. It was slipped directly onto the crank
HELL YEAH! This is the kind of content I wanted to see about the 2021 F150 5.0 motor! I’m definitely considering a new F150 instead of waiting even longer to make my Bronco reservation into an order! I really like the SuperCab 4x4 5.0L with the STX package in Lead Foot Grey. Much love from Texas, y’all!
Thanks Lucas!
We have 2 Broncos coming and we have a ‘96 Bronco build started on the channel.
Thanx
I wasn't happy that they also did away with steel sleeves in the cylinder walls.
Ford said that BMW helped them with the new process of plasma arc the cylinder walls. Also a oil separator is a plus on this motor.
Cylinder deactivation shines when you’re going downhill. When I would go home from Calgary to south of Kelowna (~680km) from a full 98L tank, I would have a quarter tank left. And I wasn’t always easy on the pedal, plus construction zones. Going back was sketchy on a single tank. I think I made it one time.
I love the 136 litre tank on my 2020, we go to Edmonton to Kelowna on one tank
Just so everyone knows....the cylinders do NOT stop and start rotating. Only the fuel stops flowing to the cylinder....so the engine life is not compromised at all. The only thing compromised is sound....the exhaust sounds different when you have modified the pipes, and cyls are deactivated.
Your clueless. Engine life is heavily compromised with dod. History is your friend, try and do some research going back to the 70’s when this idea originally came out, it freezes valves in various positions in those 3 or 4 cylinders
Cylinder deactivation and autostart stop has been the worst thing to ever come to automobiles
I’m pretty sure you can go to auto zone and buy just a trailer plug and put it in and it will deactivate both the cylinder deactivation and start/stop. This is because when you are towing a trailer it won’t do either of those things.
Also, I think 5 star tuning can shut it off with a tune.
@@skullhart the cylinder deactivation hasn’t been cracked yet. Tuning isn’t available for the 21 yet that I know of.
Keep an eye out for aftermarket dongles to fit between the 2 connectors for that as well. Great info, thx
Lol dongles, such a funny word
Wow, that was easy. My Grandpa would have bought a 2021 with the 5.0, of course that stuff would need to go. My dad may be getting one in a couple years so definitely thank you
or just order it with out start stop
Two questions: 1) This is two years ago, have found any problems since? 2) This is a 5.0 L, does this apply to ALL 5.0L? I have 2013 F150. Thanks
It applies to the 2021 and up 5.0 F150’s
You guys do a great job, very informative. Thank you!
I have a 2021 STX 4X4 . My truck doesn’t have the stop start feature. As a mater of fact it’s on my window sticker saying it doesn’t have it , of course there was a small charge added to the truck for the elimination of the stop start .
Have you guys put out a video regarding 3.5 vs 5.0? Quality. Longevity. Etc.
Also, thoughts on the hybrid vs. 5.0? Thanks guys. Keep up the good work.
Great info brothers, this and my jlt catch can will be the first things I do on my 2021 when it gets here, I wish the aftermarket would get going on products for theses trucks, I’m hoping my S&B cold air intake off my 2018 will fit by just blocking the unneeded vacuum port 🤞, great video guys, love your channel so much, cheers
Got it,,,,, i ordered one for my new f150 when it gets here,,,,, great videos that you guys do !!!!!
I just got a 2023 f-150 with a 5.0. it said on my window sticker that I paid 50 bucks to have auto stop/start delete from the factory…Nice
How do you like it so far? I’m seriously considering a 5.0 F150 possibly tremor package
@@onefastboi14 As a first time Ford owner coming from owning Toyota’s I had a couple concerns at first. It seems like they have worked themselves out and so far really enjoy the truck. The 5.0 with the 10 speed auto has plenty of power and will not disappoint. What I am most blown away by is that after 1100 miles of all city driving I am averaging 19 miles to the gallon! And that’s even all hilly terrain in Pennsylvania. My tundra was averaging 13.7 mpg. With the same driving and terrain. So far…I am happy with the truck.
@onefastboi14 exactly what I am considering and I came from Toyota too
@@DakotaDave17I have grown up inside a ford dealership. Whole working career. The new 5.0 is supposed to be pretty durable. Mechanics don’t like the spray on cyl walls etc because they are non machinable to repair with the spray on. The up side is that unmodified and spending it’s life commuting or towing a boat that’s less than 50% of tow capacity… it’ll last me quite a while. Cyl deactivation is a highly debatable subject due to the measures ford took to correct known issues. I took the gamble. Truck runs like a scalded dog.
Bought my 2023 5.0 in December and love it. Solid engine/power and build so far. I like it more than the 2.7 F150 I drove for a year before this. And I really liked the 2.7. I just like the 5.0 more.
Doesn't putting it in sport mode do the same thing? I noticed that auto start and stop is disabled when you pit it in sport mode
Good question? Anybody?
This is my question too
While I'm not a proponent of cylinder deactivation, in overhead cam engines, they simply use a cam profile change to institute it. It doesn't require the fancy valve lifters in an pushrod setup that often fail causing damage to the cam lobes. OHC engines either directly accurate the rocker arms, or use direct tappets. I just feel it's rather pointless when VVT already retards timing on all cylinders at the same time, also reducing fuel burn. Since 3rd gen, the 5.0 just isn't as durable a motor in general. The 2.7 may have an oil pump belt, but I've never seen one fail early personally, and it isn't common at all. Everything else about that motor is built like a tank, and stock to stock, it will hand a 5.0 it's lunch. That being said, the 5.0 is still light years better than any has motor from GM or Dodge.
I was under the impression that the 4th gen 5.0 motor was improved and had solved some of the issues in earlier generations. I am asking since I was considering the purchase of a new XLT with the 5.0 V8 while they are still available.
I just bought a 2024 Nissan Titan and that 5.6L Endurance V8 to me is wayyyyyyy more robust than that 2.7L EcoBoost V6 and not to mention the Titan is extremely underrated as well.
@@CJColvin You know, I also just purchased a 2024 Titan a week ago and will be taking it down Hwy 395 to see how it does. Very comfortable and nice features and anxious to see what kind of mileage I can eek out of it. I only wish it had a console shifter with manual shift mode. The column shifter is okay but not quite as ergonomic for manual shifting. For just a week, it does seem like a lot of truck for the money.
@Monacheman-4x4 Agreed and not to mention they're extremely underrated as well.
@@CJColvin Yes, and I just don't get that. I cannot understand why they did not sell more
What is the wear life of the belt versus a chair system? I got 392,000 out of my original motor and chain.
Great channel guys!
Just picked up my '21 FX4 5.0 yesterday. This will be the first thing I do!
Look into forscan. Free software and you can disable the battery monitoring system easily with that. Just need an ob2 dongle. You can also enable a lot of other cool features.
Very interesting! It'll be great when/if there comes a plug-in for that connection to deactivate, but keep the warning lights from coming on, etc.
Great info, also I’ve yet to hear of any problems with this motor due to cylinder deactivation.
Unplugging a wire one I can access its 2021 I can deal with that!! Nice job fella's!!
16' chevy for two yrs,then new 19' tundra TRD, but now I'm eyeing the lariat F150 just undecided on the 5.0 or 3.5
Get the Coyote 5.0L, you won't be disappointed.
@@chrism.728 I totally agree brother.
Poor Sam. Workers Compensation my brother.
Just a thought but how did you verify it isn't deactivating any cylinders now?
I tried it. It’s still doing it on my v8. My exhaust starts clunking when it kicks in.
Thanks! Just drove home my regular cab short box 4x4 coyote home last Tuesday. Really appreciate the gen 4 update info and quick tip on the cylinder de-activation. Hopefully something like the Range plug in module will be available soon for the F150. As an aside, I ordered it to my specs in November of 2020 and it just got here.
I've got a 2022 5.0 KR on order, and only way I was able to get it scheduled to be built is if I added the stop/start delete option...wonder how that plays into the battery management system or if I'll even have that plug.
Favorite channel on the tube!! Keep up the awesome content 😎
On Auto Start Stop, you replaced 1 button push with a different button push.
exactly! It's not that tough to just hit the auto atop button when you get in the truck, and actually if I'm driving through the city or any area with a lot of stop lights I turn it back on since it makes a noticeable difference in fuel economy - the starter is designed for auto start/stop, no reason to completely disable it
On my ram hemi 8 speed i just put it in manual mode and scroll up to 8th gear and the transmission shifts through all its gears like normal and bypasses cylinder deactivation. I wonder if you can do it on the fords? Trucks been running on 8 cylinders since I drove it off the lot. To me cylinder deactivation is just more headaches and really doesn't save you fuel. I still get 21 mpg doing 75mph on a road trip and between 16-17 mpg in the city.
That trick doesn't work in the GM's with AFM/DFM. I doubt it would in the Ford. in the Ram, its sweet!
So I read in the comments this doesn’t disable the cylinder deactivation, but running in sport mode does. So why not run in sport mode 24/7? What are the disadvantages of this? Why buy a tuner or supercharger when you can just use sport mode? New 22 v8 owner here
Only drawback I see is worse gas mileage since sport mode holds gears longer for higher rpm.
I just pray by the time I get my new Ford 150 that V-8’s are still available.
I just tested this on my 2021 F150 STX 5.0 and can confirm that it does indeed disable auto stop/start. It DOES NOT; however, disable Cylinder Deactivation.
I have a muffler DELETE and can hear it kick in and out as clear as day. So back to the drawing board for that.
I've been testing this more myself. I took a couple hour trip out of state. I thought that I could tell it was activating some at highway speeds but not so much at lower speeds, say up to 30 maybe 40 mph. Can you tell it's activating at slower speeds still? For me, it seems to not activate around town any longer.
@@BackroadDriver When I first unplugged the battery module and drove it, I thought for certain it was not activating at low speeds (20-40mph). But after going a few miles it started kicking in normally at all speeds it seems to kick in at (Basically above 15mph). So I think it was just the cold engine keeping it from kicking in.
I'm beginning to think only some software intervention will disable it permanently.
Thanks Backroad Driver. I really appreciate this information.
Very interesting guys. I love that you have man on the “inside”.
Coming back to this video because I just got my own 2021 F-150 XL SuperCab STX 4x4 5.0 in Lead Foot Gray! Definitely gonna do this and other things too! Gonna watch your exhaust video again next. Much love from Texas!
I'd advice caution. This isn't some mechanical fix like a heater core valve fix for Ram trucks that is clear in consequences.
Don't mess with sensors because you don't know what's behind the scenes and if codes were written in ways that handles missing sensor data. Modern car's electronics are complex, you might create a problem elsewhere down the road. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies perfectly to electronics.
Can you set sport mode in forscan as the default drive setting to accomplish this?
Stop-start delete plug in from Seattle business available
My 21 5.0 came with the auto start/stop delete option, I just have a blank where that button goes. This video equates cylinder deactivation to the battery monitoring system to the auto start/stop feature. Question is, does that mean I do not have cylinder deactivation?
I'm wondering if you can use FORSCAN to disable the cyl deactivation.
Edit: I JUST watched him talk about FORSCAN lol
Pretty sure you can already disable it on the 21s.
Is the 2nd gen 6r80 the most reliable set up out of the 4 gens? Is the 10 speed good now?
We love the 10R80…
I'm lost. They talk about cylinder deactivation but the comments say it doesn't deactivate the cylinder deactivation.
Unplugging the BMS monitor will disable auto start/stop, but I am not sure it disables cylinder deactivation. How would it?
It didn’t for long.
You can’t change the failing mechanism made for cylinder deactivation by simply unplugging it. The nuts and bolts of it are still there. Might as well use the engine the way it is designed to work.
Can you just pull the deactivation switch out of the dash and tie the wires together Then put the switch back in?I saw that done on a different vehicle
Great video. I think Ford has the best half ton even if the Toyota might last longer.
The belt is similar to Harley Davidson drive belt... Deactivation cylinders turned into a failure for General Motors years ago because of the wear from firing and not firing cylinders and I believe I heard that Sport Mode turns it off while driving
I’ll be interested in seeing what the GEN COM line is signaling that alternator to charge at after leaving the IBS unplugged
Thank you guys you guys are awesome 👍
We're not worried about how much horsepower the belt can handle. The oil will permeate the belt and deteriorate it.
I wonder what the carbon footprint of having to buy new engines is when they wear out 100,000 miles early.
Carbon is good for the environment for one and two these tyrants are flying around in business jets and driving in armored tahoes and bentleys while telling us we need to be green
Cylinder deactivation is good, here's how to bypass it so it doesn't destroy your engine. Disable your battery monitor so you get to click OK every time you start up instead of clicking the other button every time. As a bonus you don't have to be bothered by an alert telling you that your battery or alternator is starting to go bad, you get to enjoy the surprise no-start!
Billions of miles have been driven without vehicles telling people when their alternator or battery was "going bad", and nobody died. Put your big boy pants on.
the 2nd button is start/stop button that u no longer have to hit
@@bobbybarnes1652 I didn't say anyone would die, put your big boy pants on and understand that it's dumb to eliminate something that might keep you from being stranded. Billions of miles were driven without any of the comfort or safety features we have in today's cars, by your logic we shouldn't care about any of them.
@@DonziGT230 Nobody's gonna be stranded. We all own cell phones. Call a tow truck. Meanwhile, don't wreck your engine with cylinder deactivation. You might want to unwad those panties, big boy.
I just ordered a 2021 F 150 5.0. (in Sept 2021)... On the order form I deleted Auto Stop/Start. Will this effect cylinder deactivation? Does it void the warranty? Thanks for the videos!
Did the new rings solve the oil burning issue.
Is oil consumption still a issue with these engines and is Ford still building the 5.0 with plasma cylinders if this is the right term thanks
It is still around but at varying levels…
I think they upgraded ring packs because they've been burning oil since 18'. But then again you said in another video that yours is using oil and it's a 2021. so maybe they didn't upgrade them enough?
Another thing that ford engineers have said as well is to use a slightly thicker oil like 30 weight or preferably 40 weight. 50 is recommended only for heavy towing or track use because of the engine load causing the bearings to possibly be split out and the film shearing. Ford for the mustang gt say to use 20 weight but a guy took it on the track but didn't use 50 weight and ford said racing is allowed but for that application the wrong oil was used. If you pay to get a bolt on supercharger on your 5.0 from ford they'll switch your oil cap to say 50 weight even though they didn't change anything else inside, just threw a bolt on in. That really tells you everything. Overhead cam engines can use thicker oil than the overhead valve in my new truck. I ran both 10 and 15w-40 in my old f150 instead of 5w-20 piss and that's the reason why my 5.4 lasted beyond 200k and without any oil burning or valve train issues at all. Ford later admitted that the thin oil is crap but they had to for cafe standards. In south America and Australia where they didn't recommend 20 weight for that exact engine is where they didn't have issues like over here. Thank goodness I used my intuition and still used thicker oil. I'd highly recommend ford's diesel oil for these gas engines or shell rotella. The anti wear package on both is one of the highest you can get at any walmart. And no diesel oil doesn't harm engines that dont burn oil. If it burns oil it will accelerate the poisoning of the cat but the both the anti wear package and viscosity of the oil is what prevents that in the first place however if you start using it before it burns oil. so do so if you actually care about your engine. Dont if you'd rather have been counter Gov regulations ruin your engine.
How is it going with the cylinder deactivation being unplugged? I’d like to know if you have had any problems with that? Thanks for your time
Thanks for watching! We made this video quite a while ago. We have figured out that unplugging that connector doesn't fully deactivate cylinder deactivation. The computer figures it out and it comes back on. We are working on an update video and will probably remove this one from our channel. We have mentioned this in some of our videos since but not everyone watches them all.
Great info guys!
Ford Essex engine(5.0L) worker
I personally hate the new look of the 5.0’s
Since my truck is auto start stop delete. Will it still use cylinder deactivation?
Yes
Do the 2021 5.0 still make weird noises when its a cold start? Like the 18-20 did. My 2019 would make not the nicest sounds some times
I know what you talking about, my 2020 makes thw rattle at cold and it does some clunking whenever it feels like it but my boss just got a 2021 5.0 lariat and it is way more raffined than mine
How long is this belt for the oil pump rated to last? Miles/years? Sure it can take 1200HP but how long will it last?
It doesn't. I'm a ford tech. They blow apart and lock engines up even during low mileage vehicles. Massive issue right now
@@brandonclendening93 yep, and the belt touches oil too. Ford made a big mistake on this one.
@@brandonclendening93 Job security
What's the service life of that drive belt and expected labor rate for someone who who have to have a shop replace it?
I would say when it leaves you stranded and destroyed your engine it's time to replace it.
Looks like a compelling reason to buy the six cylinder eco boost instead.
These new trucks and the prices they want are not worth it.
Should have chosen a better career path.
we Need trucks not status symbols
@@raymondclass6794 Yes drop the box height back down to where you can work it without being a mountain goat. It’s all about looks now.
would they just get the 6.8 pushrod v8 out already
Great channel. Looking at the VMP superchargers because of this channel. Crazy question but how much was your gas mileage effected on the WOLF when you made the switch. That’s assuming you have driven a full tank of gas without Multiple burnouts.
IMO if it can stop a bullet I’d be surprised if it couldn’t hold up on tension pressure
If I want a 4 cyl. I'll buy one, nothing but true v8.
Cylinder Deactivation was bad on Chevy and Dodge. Caused lifter issues, than wearing down cams so on on.
PLEASE DO A VIDEO ABOUT 2018 - 2020 5.0 LITER F-150 ENGINE OIL CONSUMPTION.
I love Fords, I have two brothers, so I subscribed 👍🏾
Thanks Archie!
Ford always insisted that wet belts are solid and they proved them out yet I've seen those belted disintegrate on the 1.0L Ecoboost. It's cheap and that's why Ford went with it. They are confident the belt will last the warranty period, that's it.
This is GREAT info ! Thank You !
Great information. Knew you would get it. Time for the super charger! (P.S. Did Sam exfoliate? He looks extra handsome today.)
What can you tell me about the new "spray on" cylinder sleeves? Are they holding up or are they wearing out fast? I'm looking at a new(er) F150 5.0 V8
Same here. Contemplating buying one while the incentives last. Not much info out there. I work for Ford manufacturing, some of our guys had issues with oil consumption on their 2018 - 2019s one had an engine replaced under warranty. No one had reported on a later model yet.
Check with the imports they been doing it for years
I wonder if you can disable that feature with ForScan
What all will this cause not to work? Will the system still charge? What does unplugging this do to everything else
A few videos after this one we did some additional testing and it does not completely stop cylinder deactivation. Leave it plugged in for now unless auto stop start drives you crazy. Hopefully a plug in defeat device will come to market.
@@BackroadDriver thanks! Glad to know youre interactive with people. I just subscribed
We learn a lot from you guys and love this group of people! Thanks for subbing. We won’t always be able to reply to every comment as we grow but while we can we enjoy it.
Will unplugging that wire from the battery void my warranty if an issue occurs down the road?
No.
I ordered a 21’ to get away from the timing/vct issues that plague these engines. My 19’ had the tensioners replaced at 2k miles and now at 35k it’s starting to make the same noise again.
Same here, I love the 3.5 ecoboost for its power but it is pretty unreliable. I guess i am going for a 5.0 on a new one.
Love your content guys, just got my 21 5.0 last week and love it, I’m just curious, where do y’all get your information on the cylinder deactivation? Thanks!
Thanks Gents! That’s some dangerous mods 😃....
This never make sense to me and I’m a logical guy who’s done a lot of work on engines. I have two 5.0 F150’s 2012 and 2017. Why on earth would I want to run 4 cylinders instead of 8. If you have 8 guys working on a project and you tell 4 guys to go home you will wear those 4 out early. Let and 8 be an 8 and share the work . The engine will last longer. It’s as bad as the stupid shutting off and on at the lights all the time. The starter will not last. Oh and ask Toyota about timing belts on their v8’s back in the day. Has to be changed every 90k. Expensive job. These engineers have short memories. GM never mastered their engine deactivation issues for 20yrs and im sure Ford has it figured out. 😂😂😂. Laughable.
Some guys try to tell themselves that it won't have problems because it's DOHC instead of pushrod but it's not as though Honda hasn't had problems with cylinder deactivation. I mean, Ford hasn't even mastered cam phasers and timing chains after how long, they aren't going to perfect DOD right off the bat. Ford's 1.0L Ecoboost uses a wet belt to drive the oil and I have seen a sickening number of those belts shredded to bits. Why is it so hard for Ford to just do the right thing if they want the oil pump down in the pan? Put a double roller chain on it at the very least. I'm sure all of us would gladly pay the cost difference to get an engine with beefy long lasting chain drive at least.
GM been playing this game for 5 generations now, over 65 yrs, still no good. It’s just a bandaide to meet CAFE while making the engine 50% less reliable. Ford added this to their 2022+ V8 trucks. I don’t think it’s on the mustang V8 yet.
Thanks so much gentlemen! I have hated cylinder deactivation even since it was invented. Can you believe that GM has still not been able to come up with a better solution for the Corvette? I'm a Ford guy, but I do love the Corvette; all Corvettes (Mary Barra has ruined that company). One question about the F-150: will unhooking the negative terminal clip on the 5.0 have any effect on the ProPower lithium battery or generator, if you get that option too? I like the 3.5 twin turbo PowerBoost, but I would prefer to get the V8 if at all possible. I just found you guys today. Keep up the great work.
I did that on my F150 3.5 v6
if I unplugged my cylinder deactivation and plugged it back in after a while, is it going to cause problems?