And don't forget Dame Edna. She was the only female Eagles band member ever who sang with them one weekend in Lake Tahoe in exchange for a breast enlargement surgery.
When most musicians try to act like it's all about the music, peace of mind, or in any way suggest that money is not a big motivation for something I think they're full of shit but when Felder talks about not being concerned with money, but how he feels, I actually believe him
"I didn't care about that, my heart went out the window ..." - never heard this fella speaking before, perhaps because of the NDA, but what a really good chap he seems to be - and sad that he's confirming a lot of what I've always thought about Don Henley and Glenn Frey. Love the music! Just ordered the book
This section 6 of the interview reveals what a class act guy Felder is compared to Stern. Felder was thinking of his heart breaking when his divorce was happening and Stern is thinking of the dollars the divorce would cost him....sad.
@@dadduorp professional reasons.. nearer to the recording industry…. nothing to do with politics and I’m sure he didn’t want to be closer to crime ridden L.A. and those gender neutral “folks” who can’t decide on what pronoun they want to be identified as.
An incredible band. Much like a family with ups and downs. People coming and going. It's just how it is. His book Heaven and Hell sold well I read. Divorce of 29 years. Heart went out the window in his own words.
Willy boy wheats Here in Seattle a bunch of the original members of Heart formed Heart by Heart with Randy Hansen and two women who aren't the Wilson sisters. Check them out.
James Krys I watch the behind the music about Heart and afterwards I still do not know how the Wilson Sisters were able to keep the name since both were not original members, they were all fired or left. This is not normal. Heart by Heart could have a fighting case if they decide to use the name Heart. In the seventies there is the infamous time that there was two legitimate Temptations bands touring(each had two original members)against each other.
As much as I loved some of the great music that came from Henley and Frey, as time goes by and you learned more about them, their selfishness, greed, and hypocritical politics, it's clear they're D bags. Don Felder is a damn good musician and like Michael Anthony of Van Halen, were back bones of the bands, treated like disposable wipes, and thrown away. Politics and greed had ruined many great bands.
Felder is a really interesting, well spoken guy. Too bad Howard did his usual not letting people finish their full comment routine. But that's Howard's style. Oh well
Actually I did lol. I've been an Eagles fan since I was a kid. I bought Felder's book including several others, and yes I bought the documentary. He was great in the Eagles.
I hope Don and Joe are still friends. All of this happened 20+ years ago and even Don admits there wasn't much Joe could've done against Henley and Frey. Without Felder and Walsh I wouldn't be an Eagles fan.
I totally get that when there's a divorce, you not only lose half of everything, and all the heart-break, BUT...it seems too many forget the part where it "Destroys You" as a person. Everything you've devoted your heart and soul to...Destroys you psychologically and mentally. Insensitive Stern is clueless because he never devoted anything to any relationship the way Don Felder and most of the rest of us do. He's too Narcissistic!!! Don Felder exemplifies the definition of Class Act!!!!
I got to see Don Felder at the Greek Theater and just recently saw the Eagles at The Forum., both were great shows but could have been amazing if they were all together.. both shows were awesome .. too bad greed took away some amazing memories 💙
I wish that the current lineup of The Eagles and Don Felder would play together again. However, that likelihood would be, as Don Henley said, when hell freezes over.
Henley & Frey were famous for adding a small part to a song and write themselves into songwriting credits. They called it "Add a word gain a third" They were greedy bastards.
They forgot he had a full partner " iron clad" contract and a pair of balls. Some people forget he wasn't brought in for lyrics They brought him into the band to change them to a rock oriented band which he did , and enriched them. He did exactly what he was hired to do and they tried to rob him blind.
Well, 1/2 of the dragon is dead now. Maybe Felder will get the recognition he really deserves when the other 1/2 of the dragon is dead and buried back in Texas.
I always felt vad how he got fucked over. But after watching all parts of this interview, he seemed to have came out the winner. Not only financially, but hes at peace with himself. Don and Glenn were obviously miserable most of their lives
It's like that in all high tech companies. They encourage you to file for patents--even provide legal support--but they own any patents you're awarded. It's a trade-off you accept when you sign your contract. The difference is, Don's contract with the Eagles said he was an equal partner, not a work-for-hire employee.
Frey and Henley were really good lyricists and I suppose were the best among the group at identifying those little touches that can make a good song a great song. But if they had never brought Felder into the group, they'd never have had the success they did. The instrumental part of the music is bigger than lyrics, and that is what Felder brought. Most of their hits would have still been hits with different lyrics.
Don was speaking from his own experience taken Joe to rehab , not everyone elses.That's a great reply which showed his train of thought wasn't detailed by a cheap Stern joke.
Thanks. I was confused because Robin was referring specifically to the telephone company. At her age, I guess "the telephone company" represents high tech. And it means she's old enough that in her frame of reference, there only is one phone company, AT&T.
Henley has risen to be an even bigger control freak about people sharing small portions of their music or even talking about in videos, to the point that I personally won't even listen to Eagles music anymore. I took all their songs of my spotify, Accept for the few songs that members/former members other than Henley and Frey had a big part in.
I echo the sentiment that Joe Walsh and Don Felder are two fine, down to earth, extraordinarily talented musicians, who should have remained together in the band, their chemistry was amazing! But, the over the top arrogance of Frey and Henley ruined it.
The radio kept The Eagles alive in the 80's!!!! The Eagles as a band didnt exsist in the 80's. Every single Eagle had solo matrial and most of it pretty cheesy that includes The Heat Is On & All She Wants To Do Is Dance. A Band is a band man not 2 blowhards.
C'est peut-être difficile pour vous, mais moi, je fais abstraction des problèmes qu'à traversé ce groupe légendaire et ça me permet d'écouter leur musique avec toujours autant de plaisir. Ce qui compte avant tout, c'est leurs génies créateurs et leurs talents de musiciens et chanteurs, indépendamment de leurs embrouilles. Je retiens que Don Felder était sûrement le meilleur d'entre eux pour beaucoup de raisons !
Don Felder's painfully surprised reaction, when Howard remarks, "By the way, everybody drove Joe [Walsh] to rehab"...like the shock of discovering your spouse's infidelity.
Then give the man his props, bro! Also, Glenn Frey's "success" is highlighted by "The Heat Is On". Kind of embarrassing for the Eagles' front man. As for Don Henley, I like some of his solo stuff (especially "New York Minute"), but a lot of his solo success is predicated on pretty syrupy music.
I would keep this Felder guy as a Friend, a Good Guy. Henley and Frey were OK before Felder came in, I suppose they got Eagles under control as Henley and Frey show. Before Felder's Hotel California, I liked Tequila Sunrise, Peaceful Easy Feelings etc....
That's because Felder's a guitarist, not a singer. He contributed a lot to the band, nonetheless. Bet you didn't know that Felder wrote the music for Hotel California, did you?
I was blown away by Hotel California. For him to create that song lock, stock, and barrel it’s no wonder Don Henley and Glen Frey probably felt a little threatened and insecure. And that’s all it takes to turn someone with a healthy to oversized ego into an outright prick. Don Felder wins in the end because with decency and honesty comes peace.
Frey/Henley are the only two original members and has the most success after the break up, kept the Eagles name alive in the 80s...so yeah they did deserve more than the others. Seems pretty fair. What the hell did Felder do in the 80s? Oh that's right one album and session work.
I AGREE! Felder was TOXIC for the Eagles because he was soooo self-centered!!! He only wanted to climb over the band so he could self-proclaim his “importance”!
This is why Henley and Frey fired Felder. He was going around trying to stir up all his other band mates and to go after Don and Glenn. This was according to the history of the Eagles special. If you can find it, watch it. Puts it all in perspective.
+headings50 you should listen again or improve your listening skills - your comment does not reflect a deep intellect, sorry, you need to hear the truth
It's old news I guess but I have always been struck by the fact that once Don Felder left, they never created any memorable music again. Just kept on flogging the same old stuff through farewell tour after farewell tour. Henley and Fry wrote some great songs but without Walsh, Felder and Leadon in the early days they would not be as good. I think they were poisoned by greed and American culture. They thought they were just hiring guitar players and had no respect for the talents and creativity of their band mates. Songs are more than words and without the music they'd be just a bunch of silly made up words.
Would of been really interesting had Timothy and Joe had joined the lawsuit with Felder. Would Henley and Frey agreed to pay all of them equal pay to how Frey or Henley was getting paid or would they kicked them all out like they did w/Felder
Yeah it's a rewritten to suit my ( Frey n Henley's ) version of life as we know on planet earth 50's to present day as recorded by us..t is a joke historically, but some of the archived video from the 70's that has been pulled away from God & No I'm God is really good and makes it worth it if you tip toe around the B.S .Some parts I had to hit mute because in one decade what is the obvious truth, turns out to be a complete lie in another decade when Frey n Henley are concerned Take care, George
The "Buzzards", formally known as the Eagles. Felder has mindfulness and integrity + he looks really healthy & happy. I liked Henley's work but he's not a nice human being.
Sadly, it would. You don't know the business. That's not a criticism--consider yourself blessed. There are so many talented musicians out there playing for drunks in dives and roadhouses that Henley and Frey could have a new band every month, and the poor bastards would think they'd hit the big time, until they decide to shit on them and kick them to the curb.
I have a very negative view of Don Henley. He blocks videos from people who are trying to kiss his butt just because they feature a few seconds of his music. Money has always been his primary motivation.
Not a bad interview; nothing really new. Glad to hear he's gotten a book out for those who don't know the whole story. Still, he's holding that thing through the whole interview and never plays a note. Don has always done his best talking with a guitar. I can't imagine having a guy with so much to say musically on a show and try to get him to talk about sex and drugs and interpersonal stuff. Nice try. Don's too decent a guy to tell tales out of school. I'd rather hear him play and sing.
Disgraceful behavior by men at the time who were in their fifties and even worse in the documentary where they are now almost 70.I thought we were all supposed to grow wise with age.It appears to have had the reverse effect on Frey and Henley.
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What a great bloke Don Felder is, he has always been my favorite eagle, these videos confirm what a star he is.
Joe Walsh and Don Felder are my favourite Eagles. Down to earth, humble and decent people.
Don't forget Randy
And Timothy B. Schmit
if you get a chance to see Joe Walsh do a solo concert,make sure to
And don't forget Dame Edna. She was the only female Eagles band member ever who sang with them one weekend in Lake Tahoe in exchange for a breast enlargement surgery.
Don Felder is an awesome guy.
hes so humble so down to earth
I'm glad at least Don Felder at least was part of the Hell Freezes Over tour! That was amazing and his playing is incredible. What a loss the Eagles.
Felder one of the greatest guitars of all time.. by far my favorite finesse guitarist.
Not even remotely close.
Don Felder .. God has showered you with such unending talent and charm . May God bless you .. from a fan for ever !
Don Felder is a Class Act. No Don Felder No Eagles!
He's so affable and articulate!
Randy & Bernie could add a tale or two to Felder’s saga.
When most musicians try to act like it's all about the music, peace of mind, or in any way suggest that money is not a big motivation for something I think they're full of shit but when Felder talks about not being concerned with money, but how he feels, I actually believe him
"I didn't care about that, my heart went out the window ..." - never heard this fella speaking before, perhaps because of the NDA, but what a really good chap he seems to be - and sad that he's confirming a lot of what I've always thought about Don Henley and Glenn Frey. Love the music! Just ordered the book
"I only heard from their lawyers." ....that's so funny.
Looks like Don came out the winner in the end.
This section 6 of the interview reveals what a class act guy Felder is compared to Stern. Felder was thinking of his heart breaking when his divorce was happening and Stern is thinking of the dollars the divorce would cost him....sad.
Well Felder is a down home Florida guy and Stern is this NY Jewish guy so very different people who look at situations much differently.
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Felder was smart to leave Florida and move to California-where he continues to live to this day. He never returned to Florida.
Howard is a jackass
@@dadduorp professional reasons.. nearer to the recording industry…. nothing to do with politics and I’m sure he didn’t want to be closer to crime ridden L.A. and those gender neutral “folks” who can’t decide on what pronoun they want to be identified as.
An incredible band. Much like a family with ups and downs. People coming and going. It's just how it is. His book Heaven and Hell sold well I read. Divorce of 29 years. Heart went out the window in his own words.
There are enough ex-members around that he could form a new band and call it The Alter-Eagles.
Good one. They could find a better drummer than Henley.
Willy boy wheats Here in Seattle a bunch of the original members of Heart formed Heart by Heart with Randy Hansen and two women who aren't the Wilson sisters. Check them out.
James Krys I watch the behind the music about Heart and afterwards I still do not know how the Wilson Sisters were able to keep the name since both were not original members, they were all fired or left. This is not normal. Heart by Heart could have a fighting case if they decide to use the name Heart. In the seventies there is the infamous time that there was two legitimate Temptations bands touring(each had two original members)against each other.
Hmm Randy Meisner, Bernie Leadon and Don Felder. Sounds like a good trio!
@@willyboyw.5771 joe vitale
Wonderful man, humble and down to earth.
As much as I loved some of the great music that came from Henley and Frey, as time goes by and you learned more about them, their selfishness, greed, and hypocritical politics, it's clear they're D bags. Don Felder is a damn good musician and like Michael Anthony of Van Halen, were back bones of the bands, treated like disposable wipes, and thrown away. Politics and greed had ruined many great bands.
Felder is a really interesting, well spoken guy. Too bad Howard did his usual not letting people finish their full comment routine. But that's Howard's style. Oh well
Yep.
This is the first and last Stern show I'll watch because of that.
Howard is a prick especially now days
"I've only heard from their lawyers..." Funny stuff.
Don seems like a Southern gentleman. Seems like John Paul Jones of Zep
Actually I did lol. I've been an Eagles fan since I was a kid. I bought Felder's book including several others, and yes I bought the documentary. He was great in the Eagles.
When stern said"half of your money went out the window " and Don said " don't care about that half my heart went out the window " ..good guy !
My heart went out the window
Articulate and emotionally mature individual. Now if Stern had just kept a little quiet.
Complete opposite of Stern.
long live felder.
One of the wishes I have in this life is that Don Henley and Don Felder would make amends.
I hope Don and Joe are still friends. All of this happened 20+ years ago and even Don admits there wasn't much Joe could've done against Henley and Frey. Without Felder and Walsh I wouldn't be an Eagles fan.
Total respect
As Chief Financial Officer I thought I should take a look at the finances. F@#king hilarious
I totally get that when there's a divorce, you not only lose half of everything, and all the heart-break, BUT...it seems too many forget the part where it "Destroys You" as a person. Everything you've devoted your heart and soul to...Destroys you psychologically and mentally. Insensitive Stern is clueless because he never devoted anything to any relationship the way Don Felder and most of the rest of us do. He's too Narcissistic!!! Don Felder exemplifies the definition of Class Act!!!!
I got to see Don Felder at the Greek Theater and just recently saw the Eagles at The Forum., both were great shows but could have been amazing if they were all together.. both shows were awesome .. too bad greed took away some amazing memories 💙
I wish that the current lineup of The Eagles and Don Felder would play together again. However, that likelihood would be, as Don Henley said, when hell freezes over.
Henley & Frey were famous for adding a small part to a song and write themselves into songwriting credits. They called it "Add a word gain a third" They were greedy bastards.
Take it to the limit is an example
It's glen and henley's band
Stand up guy Felder
sadly getting screwed by music people is a long time thing since the 50's
Don was the other half of the Eagles when he stopped the magic disappeared !!!
You sure hear a different story than they portrayed in the movie, just unreal
A TON of session work, a handful of soundtracks, some concert dates and golf. Lots of golf.
Henley/Frey/Azoff kept all the money. Felder started asking questions so they fired him.
true
They forgot he had a full partner " iron clad" contract and a pair of balls. Some people forget he wasn't brought in for lyrics They brought him into the band to change them to a rock oriented band which he did , and enriched them. He did exactly what he was hired to do and they tried to rob him blind.
This interview would be better if Howard would let Felder answer the questions. He loves to hear himself talk.
Love Don
cool interview, Henley and Frey = the corporate greed they seem to rail against
Who knew Henley & Frey were a couple of dictators.
Because they were the original members of this band. Felder and Walsh joined the band afterwards.
Money. That’s all Howard understands. Every life event is a transaction for this guy. Money and sex.
Well, 1/2 of the dragon is dead now. Maybe Felder will get the recognition he really deserves when the other 1/2 of the dragon is dead and buried back in Texas.
Felder is a big part of the band but If they did fire Joe it would definitely no longer be The Eagles.
It's not the Eagles anymore anyway. It's Don Henley and the YesMen now. When Randy Meisner left, the Eagles were over.
Poor felder :(
I always felt vad how he got fucked over. But after watching all parts of this interview, he seemed to have came out the winner. Not only financially, but hes at peace with himself. Don and Glenn were obviously miserable most of their lives
It's like that in all high tech companies. They encourage you to file for patents--even provide legal support--but they own any patents you're awarded. It's a trade-off you accept when you sign your contract. The difference is, Don's contract with the Eagles said he was an equal partner, not a work-for-hire employee.
Lol...2:28 Artie nodding off
Frey and Henley were really good lyricists and I suppose were the best among the group at identifying those little touches that can make a good song a great song. But if they had never brought Felder into the group, they'd never have had the success they did. The instrumental part of the music is bigger than lyrics, and that is what Felder brought. Most of their hits would have still been hits with different lyrics.
"You Belong to the City" is alright
0:31 That joke totally went over Don Felder's head. Sheesh.
Don was speaking from his own experience taken Joe to rehab , not everyone elses.That's a great reply which showed his train of thought wasn't detailed by a cheap Stern joke.
This guy was great in The Terminator.
Thanks. I was confused because Robin was referring specifically to the telephone company. At her age, I guess "the telephone company" represents high tech. And it means she's old enough that in her frame of reference, there only is one phone company, AT&T.
Henley has risen to be an even bigger control freak about people sharing small portions of their music or even talking about in videos, to the point that I personally won't even listen to Eagles music anymore. I took all their songs of my spotify, Accept for the few songs that members/former members other than Henley and Frey had a big part in.
Artie nodding off...high as hell !
I echo the sentiment that Joe Walsh and Don Felder are two fine, down to earth, extraordinarily talented musicians, who should have remained together in the band, their chemistry was amazing! But, the over the top arrogance of Frey and Henley ruined it.
The radio kept The Eagles alive in the 80's!!!! The Eagles as a band didnt exsist in the 80's. Every single Eagle had solo matrial and most of it pretty cheesy that includes The Heat Is On & All She Wants To Do Is Dance. A Band is a band man not 2 blowhards.
The more I learn, the more I can’t stand Henley and Frey. I can’t even listen to the Eagles anymore.
I feel the same
C'est peut-être difficile pour vous, mais moi, je fais abstraction des problèmes qu'à traversé ce groupe légendaire et ça me permet d'écouter leur musique avec toujours autant de plaisir. Ce qui compte avant tout, c'est leurs génies créateurs et leurs talents de musiciens et chanteurs, indépendamment de leurs embrouilles. Je retiens que Don Felder était sûrement le meilleur d'entre eux pour beaucoup de raisons !
Don Felder's painfully surprised reaction, when Howard remarks, "By the way, everybody drove Joe [Walsh] to rehab"...like the shock of discovering your spouse's infidelity.
I understand it’s Howard’s show but he kept interrupting to the point that it’s hard to even watch.
Concert dates really? I did not know that, cool.
2:27 Check out Artie on the nod 😪
Artie nodding out lmao
No one’s loyal.
It's too bad the separate divisions of the corporation could not overcome the stalemate through negotiation. Sung to the tune of Hotel California.
Then give the man his props, bro! Also, Glenn Frey's "success" is highlighted by "The Heat Is On". Kind of embarrassing for the Eagles' front man. As for Don Henley, I like some of his solo stuff (especially "New York Minute"), but a lot of his solo success is predicated on pretty syrupy music.
I would keep this Felder guy as a Friend, a Good Guy.
Henley and Frey were OK before Felder came in, I suppose they got Eagles under control as Henley and Frey show.
Before Felder's Hotel California, I liked Tequila Sunrise, Peaceful Easy Feelings etc....
That's because Felder's a guitarist, not a singer. He contributed a lot to the band, nonetheless. Bet you didn't know that Felder wrote the music for Hotel California, did you?
I was blown away by Hotel California. For him to create that song lock, stock, and barrel it’s no wonder Don Henley and Glen Frey probably felt a little threatened and insecure. And that’s all it takes to turn someone with a healthy to oversized ego into an outright prick. Don Felder wins in the end because with decency and honesty comes peace.
Felder--the American Dave Gilmour
Don Henley looks like the devil. He hasn't aged well at all. I really like Joe Walsh.
Ya Don Felder is a very likeable guy and class act. Its obvious his personality didn't fit in and that was probably his demise ultimately.
Hurt feelings, business .
Frey/Henley are the only two original members and has the most success after the break up, kept the Eagles name alive in the 80s...so yeah they did deserve more than the others. Seems pretty fair. What the hell did Felder do in the 80s? Oh that's right one album and session work.
I AGREE! Felder was TOXIC for the Eagles because he was soooo self-centered!!! He only wanted to climb over the band so he could self-proclaim his “importance”!
This is about what he contributed when they were a group
Cool Bloke .Shame about the Snappy Hihennas
Don should have kept his mouth shut and smiled and he would have had an extra 25 to 30 million in the bank today.
This is why Henley and Frey fired Felder. He was going around trying to stir up all his other band mates and to go after Don and Glenn. This was according to the history of the Eagles special. If you can find it, watch it. Puts it all in perspective.
Too bad Howard would not let him finish half of his sentences !!
+headings50 you should listen again or improve your listening skills - your comment does not reflect a deep intellect, sorry, you need to hear the truth
Felder is a class act.... Henley, Frey and Stern... not so much.
Okay I love the eagles but I don't know exactly what happened. Who screwed who? What did what to whom?
It's old news I guess but I have always been struck by the fact that once Don Felder left, they never created any memorable music again. Just kept on flogging the same old stuff through farewell tour after farewell tour. Henley and Fry wrote some great songs but without Walsh, Felder and Leadon in the early days they would not be as good. I think they were poisoned by greed and American culture. They thought they were just hiring guitar players and had no respect for the talents and creativity of their band mates. Songs are more than words and without the music they'd be just a bunch of silly made up words.
Would of been really interesting had Timothy and Joe had joined the lawsuit with Felder. Would Henley and Frey agreed to pay all of them equal pay to how Frey or Henley was getting paid or would they kicked them all out like they did w/Felder
Felder: “He didn’t have the power…” Neither did you, obviously.
It hurts the most when your band ducks on yeah. Especially over a yoko sunquence.
Yeah it's a rewritten to suit my ( Frey n Henley's ) version of life as we know on planet earth 50's to present day as recorded by us..t is a joke historically, but some of the archived video from the 70's that has been pulled away from God & No I'm God is really good and makes it worth it if you tip toe around the B.S .Some parts I had to hit mute because in one decade what is the obvious truth, turns out to be a complete lie in another decade when Frey n Henley are concerned Take care, George
Stern annoyingly keeps cutting Felder off.
I drove Joe Walsh to rehab.
The "Buzzards", formally known as the Eagles. Felder has mindfulness and integrity + he looks really healthy & happy. I liked Henley's work but he's not a nice human being.
Sadly, it would. You don't know the business. That's not a criticism--consider yourself blessed. There are so many talented musicians out there playing for drunks in dives and roadhouses that Henley and Frey could have a new band every month, and the poor bastards would think they'd hit the big time, until they decide to shit on them and kick them to the curb.
3:48
"It's like working for the telephone company. Anything you discover, it belongs to us." What the hell is Robin talking about?
Wow that Henly is so Eagletistical, hahahaha get it eagletistical......sound of crickets. Hey is this thing on,
Boy these interviewers sound so forced and envious . Like that's normal
This people don't let the guest to talk!!! IT is soooooooo bad!!
Howard keeps talking over him and it's annoying
I have a very negative view of Don Henley. He blocks videos from people who are trying to kiss his butt just because they feature a few seconds of his music. Money has always been his primary motivation.
Not a bad interview; nothing really new. Glad to hear he's gotten a book out for those who don't know the whole story. Still, he's holding that thing through the whole interview and never plays a note. Don has always done his best talking with a guitar. I can't imagine having a guy with so much to say musically on a show and try to get him to talk about sex and drugs and interpersonal stuff. Nice try. Don's too decent a guy to tell tales out of school. I'd rather hear him play and sing.
Put a sock in It, Stern. FFS!!
Love Don Felder. Glen Fry was a jerk!!!
Disgraceful behavior by men at the time who were in their fifties and even worse in the documentary where they are now almost 70.I thought we were all supposed to grow wise with age.It appears to have had the reverse effect on Frey and Henley.