As usual your walk around is spot on! We were fortunate enough to speak with the owners of this tractor. The original owners had removed most of the components off of the top including the engine. It was converted into a mobile grain bin trailer. The original pictures he showed us were quite interesting. This is one of only three tractors still known in existence. This is the only one that is operational. The engine block was completely recast after 3D scanning one of the other existing tractors. Only the crankshaft is an original engine component. Just like you noticed, most things had to be meticulously remade. The owner told us that the oil system was very rudimentary. It relied on a splash / slinger system that shot oil into cups to carry it to the top of the motor. Needless to say it caused most of these engines to fail prematurely. That is why the cam and other upper components are slathered in grease. I found the exposed overhead cam to be very interesting! An overhead cam was way ahead of its time when this was built. Another great walk around! 👍
2 of the 3 surviving units came from the Tysse collection. He found the remains abandoned in the range land of a Montana ranch back in the 60's. I viewed the parts piles many times over the years, amazed at how primitive they were. And how broken up they were! The one was literally broken in half. At first, he only found the rear section. But many years later a fellow that had hunted in the area where the rear was found, informed them that the other parts were still located on the ranch, but in another ravine. Once that was recovered, there was enough parts of an original to copy and reproduce parts to reconstruct both units. The 30 was kept by John, the 40 eventually ended up at the Hart Parr museum in Charles City, last I heard. As far as I'm aware, it is in an operational condition, just in a static display. The one John still has is in running condition as well. The one above, which I wasn't aware of until recently, BTW, was found in western KS. by another well known collector. Then ownership transferred to the present owner, that resurrected it from barely a rolling chassis! A monumental under taking indeed! The primitive oiling system and less than stellar oils from the times, and the boat anchor front steering wheel, were the main factors in the early failure of this version of Hart Parr at the time. But in all fairness, this was uncharted engineering yet. I don't think the mechanical lubricator was part of the original design, but a necessary improvement to keep the motor alive!
If you're counting that way, technically there are 5 total. I'll say 4.75 as Lyle's 30 is not yet competed. John's 30 Lyle's 30 WDM 40 Floyd County Museum 40 Our 40 As intimate as we've been with these tractors, you really have to count the 30 and 40 differently. For the casual viewer, they look the same but the details are entirely different. I wish I could post links here. The comment bot keeps deleting them. I have so many more pictures.
@@hartparr You and I have met at Crosby a few times and again at Kurts open house this past spring. Yes John kept the 30 and I know the 40 is a bit different. I wasn't aware of Lyle putting one together or the one at WDM. Only heard of your's this spring! These days building the motors and other long gone parts from scratch, is amazing. Back when I had my N&S 35-70 Gas tractor parts pile, I couldn't get any cooperation from anyone, collector or foundry, at any cost. Now I wish I'd kept it. Hopefully the present owner will get some where with it before I'm dead and gone. Thanks Frank.
@@hartparr Joe Fisher, nothern Illinois. He also has those Minneapolis 25-50's pulled from a river, that he's trying to recreate' I suppose he has the finances to get somewhere with it.
What a unique tractor. It’s absolutely amazing what they could do 120 years ago without the technology we have today. I can’t imagine the knowledge the designers of this must have had. Another fantastic video Squatch. Thanks
Thanks, but the one main thing I never expected to happen when I made the switch to doing RUclips full time, was that I suddenly wouldn’t have any free time to actually WATCH any RUclips lol 😂
Yep that's the one on CTF, an incredible achievement to remanufacture so many complex parts with new technology , when you watch that video of it being rebuilt it makes you wonder how they designed and built these things with 120 year old technology. Thanks for the up close walk around, truly superb 👍
That was a very interesting tractor. Amazing amount of parts were recast. Both cylinders were new. Guy I was talking to said it took like 5 attempts before the cylinder came out right. The exhaust manifolds you could see were made with a 3 d printer to be cast. After seeing it in person I’m glad somebody took the time and resources and brought it back to life. Probably one of my Favorites at the Albany show.
That's a meticulous and - if I dare say so - perfect restauration. And it is really a good looking machine as a whole as well as in all the details - there is nothing of the typical awkwardness in the design which we see in other machines of this time.
God bless those that take up the mantle of preserving these big beautiful mobile mechanical pieces of art. An amazing display that at any point in history there were geniuses pushing the limits of the time. ❤
Sorry to have missed you! I’ve been helping to drive the show’s prairie tractors for the parade the last couple of years so I’ve been pretty busy when everything is getting started up. Great job on that tractor, it’s amazing 👍😎
Thanks for this walkaround and the descriptions concerning the individual components. I agree it's an interesting piece of history especially the steering system and hub assembly. The additional video of it running was the icing on the cake or whip cream on the pie (your choice). Thanks Toby.
Excellent video that is a really neat looking early tractor. I see lots of experimental or prototype stuff on that tractor I have seen a few of them over the years but never a single front wheel it was possibly a prototype back in the day . Keep up the great videos
I did enjoy it! I just got back from Indiana, it was a very good show there too. it was more newer tractors and older ones. it was also a carnival with it and a sanctioned tractor pull.
Hey! Awesome video! I'm so glad you made this. I love seeing these prairie tractors like this. They are really just incredible that one in particular looks like it has an overhead cam configuration with the valves inclined at the angles that they're inclined at. It almost looks like a pent roof or almost A hemi head Great video!
Great walk around love the old hart parrs if you ever get to Charles city area the Floyd county museum has a lot of hart parr Oliver and white farm heritage even an experimental Oliver tractor
Many of the tractors at this show seem to have huge radiator cooling systems far larger than anything I've seen in UK. Is this because these tractors were working in much hotter climates in the USA than we get in UK perhaps? Always good to watch your content KRs Bob
You missed one of the most interesting, (to me at least) features of this tractor, and that’s the fact that it is an overhead cam engine with hemispherical chambers, which for the time is an extremely advanced design
Yeah I sometimes don’t catch everything there is to see, if I know the owner of the machine and get permission to climb up on it and spend some time looking around I can point more things out. But when I have to stay on the ground I can only see so much lol 👍
Hart-Parr had been using this design for the previous 10 years but with hit and miss governing. This is throttled governed. Regardless, doing this design in 1902 or 03 was truly ahead of their time.
I’m still sorry to have missed you there Ken, it seems that these shows just get busier and busier for me every year and I just run steady from place to place and tractor to tractor, with lots of conversations in-between it all. I was there for 5 whole days, yet I only actually remember about 2 of them lol 😂
Very interesting machine those guys were not dumb I wonder what the holes down the center of front wheel are for it's like there is another piece you can bolt onto it for whatever reason whole thing is very unique in many ways I'm sure you would have to be a REAL man to operate one all day
Yes, I included footage of it running at the end of this video, plus a few shots of it driving around in the other episode I uploaded just previous to this one 👍
There are small round bars attached to ignition cam lobes that literally make contact against spring steel to complete the circuit. One for each cylinder. We can adjust the position of the spring steel to retard and advance the timing.
What a marvel. Like a dinosaur becoming a bird. Disc brake(s) in 1912! LOL. You describe the source of ignition electricity as a dynamo rather than a magneto. Do you know what was used to boost the voltage to the many thousands of volts needed to jump a fixed plug gap?
I’m not 100% knowledgeable on these, but that belt runs something that very closely resembles a generator and that then feeds a set of ignition coil-type components that have windings in them similar to the old Fordson tractors and Ford Model T car ignition systems. The voltage increase happens within those coil windings, similar to the Ford systems.
Does someone mind discussing/explaining the different styles of cooling/radiators in the pervious video, and on this tractor? Some almost looked like boilers with tubes, without the boiler; others like this one, look like their cooled with stack effect? I've tried googling, but without knowing what these different designs are called I haven't found much.
You're correct for the most part. Twin City and Altman Taylor were two manufacturers that utilized boiler type heat exchangers with fans to remove heat from water, Rumely and early Hart-Parrs were oil cooled with exhaust induced draft across the panels for cooling. Avery had a similar design but with a tank and exposed copper tubes while many early IHC tractors just let water run down a screen, fully exposed to dust and dirt.
The front suspension seems to be a very smart bit of engineering! Toby, at 2:52 you said that component looked repro to you. What was it about it that led you to think so? How does one judge that? Thanks.
Yah, about a month ago. What had happened was one of the cylinder liners had worked itself loose ( it was a hair too small for the opening), and whenever the piston was on an upstroke, the sleeve would knock against the cylinder head. Apparently, a new sleeve fixed the problem, no further damage.
@@steveolesen8033 I think it was a standard size replacement. Reaching into my memory (carefully, don't wanna get bit!), Toby mentioned that the last major engine work was a refurbishment, not a rebuild. The original liners were left in place at that time. Also, the letter sizes refer to the size of the bore, not the outside diameters of the mounting surfaces.
Instead of making a video about something you know absolutely nothing about you should have interviewed the men who built it!!!!! I will give you a clue, two of them were in your video!!!!
I’m not here to bother people or get in their way, nor do most people want to be put on the spot in front of a camera. With those courtesies in mind, I try to do most of my filming when nobody else is around 👍
It's a walk around, not a "talk show". You want more info, there's pages of the makers. Squatch tries to give us an overview, you want more, you have to go there. And i say that being European, having almost no time to visit.
My thought as well, plus the state of steel technology in 1912 was probably not up to it being a rolling bearing. For example, only in WWI were exhaust valves made from stainless steel (and even then only in aero engines) removing the need for regrinds every 200 miles or so. Not missing a zero in that number...
It actually has two big flange bushings one from each side, that meet in the middle. The tractor actually has ball bearings from the factory on the first reduction shaft in the transmission.
Amazing restoration. Love this tractor!
As usual your walk around is spot on! We were fortunate enough to speak with the owners of this tractor. The original owners had removed most of the components off of the top including the engine. It was converted into a mobile grain bin trailer. The original pictures he showed us were quite interesting. This is one of only three tractors still known in existence. This is the only one that is operational. The engine block was completely recast after 3D scanning one of the other existing tractors. Only the crankshaft is an original engine component. Just like you noticed, most things had to be meticulously remade. The owner told us that the oil system was very rudimentary. It relied on a splash / slinger system that shot oil into cups to carry it to the top of the motor. Needless to say it caused most of these engines to fail prematurely. That is why the cam and other upper components are slathered in grease. I found the exposed overhead cam to be very interesting! An overhead cam was way ahead of its time when this was built. Another great walk around! 👍
"We didn't sit down on the job..yet." Priceless quote.
Hub center steering, the holy grail of motorcycle engineering!
2 of the 3 surviving units came from the Tysse collection. He found the remains abandoned in the range land of a Montana ranch back in the 60's. I viewed the parts piles many times over the years, amazed at how primitive they were. And how broken up they were! The one was literally broken in half. At first, he only found the rear section. But many years later a fellow that had hunted in the area where the rear was found, informed them that the other parts were still located on the ranch, but in another ravine. Once that was recovered, there was enough parts of an original to copy and reproduce parts to reconstruct both units. The 30 was kept by John, the 40 eventually ended up at the Hart Parr museum in Charles City, last I heard. As far as I'm aware, it is in an operational condition, just in a static display. The one John still has is in running condition as well. The one above, which I wasn't aware of until recently, BTW, was found in western KS. by another well known collector. Then ownership transferred to the present owner, that resurrected it from barely a rolling chassis! A monumental under taking indeed! The primitive oiling system and less than stellar oils from the times, and the boat anchor front steering wheel, were the main factors in the early failure of this version of Hart Parr at the time. But in all fairness, this was uncharted engineering yet. I don't think the mechanical lubricator was part of the original design, but a necessary improvement to keep the motor alive!
If you're counting that way, technically there are 5 total. I'll say 4.75 as Lyle's 30 is not yet competed.
John's 30
Lyle's 30
WDM 40
Floyd County Museum 40
Our 40
As intimate as we've been with these tractors, you really have to count the 30 and 40 differently. For the casual viewer, they look the same but the details are entirely different. I wish I could post links here. The comment bot keeps deleting them. I have so many more pictures.
@@hartparr You and I have met at Crosby a few times and again at Kurts open house this past spring. Yes John kept the 30 and I know the 40 is a bit different. I wasn't aware of Lyle putting one together or the one at WDM. Only heard of your's this spring! These days building the motors and other long gone parts from scratch, is amazing. Back when I had my N&S 35-70 Gas tractor parts pile, I couldn't get any cooperation from anyone, collector or foundry, at any cost. Now I wish I'd kept it. Hopefully the present owner will get some where with it before I'm dead and gone. Thanks Frank.
@@frankwurth5375Yes sir! I remember. I had no idea about the 35-70. Who has that project now?
@@hartparr Joe Fisher, nothern Illinois. He also has those Minneapolis 25-50's pulled from a river, that he's trying to recreate' I suppose he has the finances to get somewhere with it.
What a unique tractor. It’s absolutely amazing what they could do 120 years ago without the technology we have today. I can’t imagine the knowledge the designers of this must have had. Another fantastic video Squatch. Thanks
As I recall that whole engine is new and re cast. Look up the pre 30 tractor school. They have a couple hour video about recasting it all.
Thanks, but the one main thing I never expected to happen when I made the switch to doing RUclips full time, was that I suddenly wouldn’t have any free time to actually WATCH any RUclips lol 😂
Amazing walkaround, Toby, thank you! Lots of innovation in this tractor, overhead camshaft, disc brakes, epicyclic gearing, hub steering - wow!
I was fortunate to be able to work on this tractor. Where else could I work on a true piece of history?
Yep that's the one on CTF, an incredible achievement to remanufacture so many complex parts with new technology , when you watch that video of it being rebuilt it makes you wonder how they designed and built these things with 120 year old technology. Thanks for the up close walk around, truly superb 👍
That was a very interesting tractor. Amazing amount of parts were recast. Both cylinders were new. Guy I was talking to said it took like 5 attempts before the cylinder came out right. The exhaust manifolds you could see were made with a 3 d printer to be cast. After seeing it in person I’m glad somebody took the time and resources and brought it back to life. Probably one of my Favorites at the Albany show.
You have an incredible eye for unusual details. Tnx for the educational walk around which you are noted for,
That's a meticulous and - if I dare say so - perfect restauration. And it is really a good looking machine as a whole as well as in all the details - there is nothing of the typical awkwardness in the design which we see in other machines of this time.
Repro has such a bad reputation. Someone has re-engineeered and re-created a unique Hart Parr. Great work.
That is a fascinating old beast
Thanks for the walk around Squatch 👍
Wow! That’s a really neat piece of history right there. Glad they brought it to the show for everyone to see. Thank you for the walk around Toby!
Important bit of North American Farm history. A great machine!
The lookover video is great.
What a find. Thanks for sharing. That thing is awesome
God bless those that take up the mantle of preserving these big beautiful mobile mechanical pieces of art. An amazing display that at any point in history there were geniuses pushing the limits of the time. ❤
I just love the old time tractors,and the sound!
I wish you had come tapped me when we cranked it! I have looked to meet you for the last two years at Albany. Great video!
Sorry to have missed you! I’ve been helping to drive the show’s prairie tractors for the parade the last couple of years so I’ve been pretty busy when everything is getting started up. Great job on that tractor, it’s amazing 👍😎
Your walk arounds are always entertaining, and hold our attention.
Thanks for this walkaround and the descriptions concerning the individual components. I agree it's an interesting piece of history especially the steering system and hub assembly. The additional video of it running was the icing on the cake or whip cream on the pie (your choice). Thanks Toby.
That's got to be the coolest damn machine I've seen in a long time!
That's awesome. 1 of 3. I should have went to Albany this weekend.
It looks like it is still in service! What a cool tractor!!
👍 Good Morning. ❤ Love those videos of them tractors.🤗
Incredible. My Dad was 7 y o when that was built. He told me that the first tractor he saw around Madelia was a Moline Universal. Tusen Takk.
Excellent video that is a really neat looking early tractor. I see lots of experimental or prototype stuff on that tractor I have seen a few of them over the years but never a single front wheel it was possibly a prototype back in the day . Keep up the great videos
Weathered lettering eh. Fancy, who would ever do that. Tush.
Thanks for the walkaround.
Very unique tractor! Thank you for the walk around. Keeping history alive!🚜👍
Beautiful old machine they built them with style in those days thank you for showing us it Toby.
I did enjoy it! I just got back from Indiana, it was a very good show there too. it was more newer tractors and older ones. it was also a carnival with it and a sanctioned tractor pull.
The engineering behind that is amazing.....
Thank you for sharing this ✌️
Thanks for the video, Toby. That is a very neat tractor. I'd love to see how that front wheel works. It's such a unique setup. Cheers
Beautiful old lump respect to the rebuilder and thanks for your walk around
That rim mechanics on the side of the machine is a work of art,,,It reminds me of the inside of a 19th century pocket watch,,,Just 100 times larger,,,
Great overview…This was as cutting edge design & engineering at that time…It was the Tesla truck of it’s day 👍🏻🤩☝🏻😎
Yeah these old prairie tractors especially the steam ones would blow up from time to time, like Teslas catching fire😅
So cool so many moving parts on old equipment!
Excellent. Love the old equipment walk arounds. Your knowledge and narration make the videos. Thanks.
Hey! Awesome video! I'm so glad you made this. I love seeing these prairie tractors like this. They are really just incredible that one in particular looks like it has an overhead cam configuration with the valves inclined at the angles that they're inclined at. It almost looks like a pent roof or almost A hemi head Great video!
Great walk around love the old hart parrs if you ever get to Charles city area the Floyd county museum has a lot of hart parr Oliver and white farm heritage even an experimental Oliver tractor
what a neat tractor, thanks for the video!
Many of the tractors at this show seem to have huge radiator cooling systems far larger than anything I've seen in UK. Is this because these tractors were working in much hotter climates in the USA than we get in UK perhaps? Always good to watch your content KRs Bob
You missed one of the most interesting, (to me at least) features of this tractor, and that’s the fact that it is an overhead cam engine with hemispherical chambers, which for the time is an extremely advanced design
Yeah I sometimes don’t catch everything there is to see, if I know the owner of the machine and get permission to climb up on it and spend some time looking around I can point more things out. But when I have to stay on the ground I can only see so much lol 👍
Hart-Parr had been using this design for the previous 10 years but with hit and miss governing. This is throttled governed. Regardless, doing this design in 1902 or 03 was truly ahead of their time.
That front wheel is wild!
Great video Squatch! Thank you for posting it.
👍 Good Morning.
❤ Love those videos of them tractors 🤗
Very neat machine! That engines design looks quite similar to the old Cummins engines
Thanks for showing the write up it was an interesting read 👍🏻
The front steering is called "centre hub steering" for anyone interested..as used on motorcycles over the years
It was an incredible show and swap meet. Sadly, the only thing I brought back to Michigan was a serious dose of strep throat. I'll be back next year.
I’m still sorry to have missed you there Ken, it seems that these shows just get busier and busier for me every year and I just run steady from place to place and tractor to tractor, with lots of conversations in-between it all. I was there for 5 whole days, yet I only actually remember about 2 of them lol 😂
The one in CC at the Floyd county museum has had a cosmetic restoration. Just don’t think the funds are there to bring it back up to snuff.
Good video
Now that is freakin cool!!!!
Great video!!! Thank you for sharing!!!!
Thanks!
I would love to see how that front "Hub" is put together . A very cool tractor
I have pictures but every time I try to share links, the RUclips bot removes them.
Thank You for sharing.
Very interesting machine those guys were not dumb I wonder what the holes down the center of front wheel are for it's like there is another piece you can bolt onto it for whatever reason whole thing is very unique in many ways I'm sure you would have to be a REAL man to operate one all day
First thing I think of is Steampunk!
Very cool all around design of the day.
Most interesting.
Thank you for the awesome video!! Did you catch where this one resides ? It’s a work of art ! Ultimate Steam punk !
That information is all on the information plaque that I included a shot of at the end of the video 👍
That thing is a work of art.
Again WAY COOL thank you
Any chance you caught any footage of it in the parade?
Yes, I included footage of it running at the end of this video, plus a few shots of it driving around in the other episode I uploaded just previous to this one 👍
too bad the guy that built this doesnt have a YT channel!!
This is my YT channel account. I have included a final assembly time lapse there.
How does the ignition timing work on these sort of setups? Seems like the dynamo with that flat belt would spark constantly?
There are small round bars attached to ignition cam lobes that literally make contact against spring steel to complete the circuit. One for each cylinder. We can adjust the position of the spring steel to retard and advance the timing.
@@hartparr Thanks!
Did you see that the other day that the Kory Anderson Case 150 road train pulled 51 bottom plow the outer day
What a marvel. Like a dinosaur becoming a bird.
Disc brake(s) in 1912! LOL.
You describe the source of ignition electricity as a dynamo rather than a magneto. Do you know what was used to boost the voltage to the many thousands of volts needed to jump a fixed plug gap?
I’m not 100% knowledgeable on these, but that belt runs something that very closely resembles a generator and that then feeds a set of ignition coil-type components that have windings in them similar to the old Fordson tractors and Ford Model T car ignition systems. The voltage increase happens within those coil windings, similar to the Ford systems.
@@squatch253 OK. Like a Model T, from the same era. Thank you!
It actually runs on 2 model T style buzz coils. We have a switch in place to start on battery, then switch over after it's running.
I guess it's a ball bearing setup like your bicycle steering stem.
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NIce!!
Does someone mind discussing/explaining the different styles of cooling/radiators in the pervious video, and on this tractor? Some almost looked like boilers with tubes, without the boiler; others like this one, look like their cooled with stack effect? I've tried googling, but without knowing what these different designs are called I haven't found much.
You're correct for the most part. Twin City and Altman Taylor were two manufacturers that utilized boiler type heat exchangers with fans to remove heat from water, Rumely and early Hart-Parrs were oil cooled with exhaust induced draft across the panels for cooling. Avery had a similar design but with a tank and exposed copper tubes while many early IHC tractors just let water run down a screen, fully exposed to dust and dirt.
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Im 20 minuets from Waco.
The front suspension seems to be a very smart bit of engineering!
Toby, at 2:52 you said that component looked repro to you. What was it about it that led you to think so? How does one judge that? Thanks.
"How does one judge that? " Experience, and lots of it 👍👍
The parts are super crisp, part numbers and all. In the larger parts that were produced from sand printed casting molds, you can see the layer lines.
Ancient hemi!
Sorry that my question is off topic from this video but I was wondering if you have the noise figured out in the H?
Yah, about a month ago. What had happened was one of the cylinder liners had worked itself loose ( it was a hair too small for the opening), and whenever the piston was on an upstroke, the sleeve would knock against the cylinder head. Apparently, a new sleeve fixed the problem, no further damage.
@billh230 if I recall correctly that cylinder was a size E? Did you have to hunt for a special sleeve to fit or was it just a standard replacement?
@@steveolesen8033 I think it was a standard size replacement. Reaching into my memory (carefully, don't wanna get bit!), Toby mentioned that the last major engine work was a refurbishment, not a rebuild. The original liners were left in place at that time. Also, the letter sizes refer to the size of the bore, not the outside diameters of the mounting surfaces.
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Instead of making a video about something you know absolutely nothing about you should have interviewed the men who built it!!!!! I will give you a clue, two of them were in your video!!!!
I’m not here to bother people or get in their way, nor do most people want to be put on the spot in front of a camera. With those courtesies in mind, I try to do most of my filming when nobody else is around 👍
It's a walk around, not a "talk show". You want more info, there's pages of the makers. Squatch tries to give us an overview, you want more, you have to go there. And i say that being European, having almost no time to visit.
Seems like a lot of work when a guy could just swap in a 350 Chevy or an LS.
That front wheel most likely has a large plain bearing being as its externally lubricated like it is
My thought as well, plus the state of steel technology in 1912 was probably not up to it being a rolling bearing. For example, only in WWI were exhaust valves made from stainless steel (and even then only in aero engines) removing the need for regrinds every 200 miles or so. Not missing a zero in that number...
It actually has two big flange bushings one from each side, that meet in the middle. The tractor actually has ball bearings from the factory on the first reduction shaft in the transmission.