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  • @P4wnyhof
    @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад

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  • @malyman316
    @malyman316 3 месяца назад +15

    1st thing - Necro minion skills shouldnt use skill bar but have 2 separate slots, So you could run minions and actually have fun yourself . Its necromancer, every build should just have minions active unless you sacrifixe them

    • @meilistraka2069
      @meilistraka2069 3 месяца назад

      Been thinking the same thing! 🙌🏼🙌🏼

    • @eddyram4932
      @eddyram4932 3 месяца назад +1

      Not only that, the ultimate skills should be their own thing for every class and be actually powerful. Rn most classes don’t even take their ultimate skills because they’re useless.

  • @alessioleporati1478
    @alessioleporati1478 3 месяца назад +3

    My favorite defensive skill for necro is the corpse tendrils. Corpse tendrils is the ultimate CC/utility skill in the game. It pulls in enemies to one spot, slows them, stuns them, and makes them vulnerable. It makes necros Pit 100+ viable even prior to the patch.

    • @sstruve1
      @sstruve1 3 месяца назад

      THIS! How sad is it that corpse tendrils is on every build because without CC we get bonked. tendrils is the mvp for necro. We need more skills like it!

  • @MikeGianetti
    @MikeGianetti 3 месяца назад +1

    For this season I started with the "boy band" to 100, then Blighted to 100, and then went Barb, and in all honestly... The double strike dust devil barb was the most fun to play. The builds made sense, the passive works, and the skills synergize. Not to mention it was fast to learn, and pretty easy to build, pretty much forgot about my necroes. Which kills me because I love playing a caster class.

    • @frostyontheradio9326
      @frostyontheradio9326 3 месяца назад

      True my first barb on this game and it just works am currently doing whirlwind build to lvl might go for double swing now

  •  3 месяца назад +1

    We just opened 103 pit with a kinda (on the gear department) 6.0 build. It works, but I'm still far in health goals and feels very, very squishy. I'd really like to see other options being viable as well.

  • @maxvasconcelosgaming
    @maxvasconcelosgaming 3 месяца назад +3

    I agree with the thought that the minion key passive should grant you more minions. Even if it’s for a short time. Also it would awesome if “army of the dead” actually summoned an army of extra minions to start fighting instead of summoning skeletons things to blow up.

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +1

      Yes!!!!

    • @bipolargods509
      @bipolargods509 3 месяца назад

      That would be awesome but sounds like a system overload with all those extra sprites.

    • @frostyontheradio9326
      @frostyontheradio9326 3 месяца назад

      ​@@bipolargods509but imagine the felling when an army of Undead just killing minions or bosses

  • @StormCloudGenerator
    @StormCloudGenerator 3 месяца назад +1

    Totally agree with everything. Most of all Kalan's edict should definitely give MORE MINIONS!

  • @dreadlockgaming2415
    @dreadlockgaming2415 3 месяца назад +1

    My biggest complains about the skill tree are:
    1 - The need to spend points on skills you don't want to unlock other parts of the skill tree. I know D2 was the same but in an easier way to achieve that didn't hurt our build as much as in D4.
    2 - The illusion of choice on many skills. Many upgrades in the necro skill tree are obviously better then their counterpart. Take corpse explosion for example, the non-blighted (cant even remember the name anymore) node has absolutely zero support while the blighted has ton of support via aspects, passives and uniques. Why the other is even in the game? This a very lazy design and makes me very sad because I loved to pop the corpses with cool explosions. Such a high dopamine injection that, while much better, blighted CE will never give me.

  • @TheGreatTake
    @TheGreatTake 3 месяца назад +2

    Great points I hope Blizzard sees this.

  • @TJTimeBomb
    @TJTimeBomb 3 месяца назад

    I make 1 character a season… this season was Necro (minion) . It was fun for a few weeks . Now I think i’m just done with the season . I get through lvl 96ish pit runs which i may be able to push but its not really worth the time. Skipping the short season 5 … will be back for 6 to probably try out the new guy .

  • @christopherparks6487
    @christopherparks6487 3 месяца назад

    Am i missing something or has the blood build vid not been released yet?

  • @mrksgo6122
    @mrksgo6122 3 месяца назад +5

    shadow necro is super strong, but insanely boring to play.

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад

      It is super strong!

    • @deanmoriarty1519
      @deanmoriarty1519 3 месяца назад

      By shadow necro do you mean Shadow mage, or Shadow something else

    • @mrksgo6122
      @mrksgo6122 3 месяца назад

      @@deanmoriarty1519 Shadow minions with blighted aspect on weapon. Was the first build to clear 141 before holy bolt nerf.

  • @vapixdarmana4428
    @vapixdarmana4428 3 месяца назад

    With how they have been hinting at a thorns minion build, why doesn't iron maiden just give you an appropriate amount of thorns? It functions the same way as thorns, but it's not thorns.

  • @robertwelch1443
    @robertwelch1443 3 месяца назад +2

    Shadow wave is insane in PvP

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +1

      It is sir it is - and jet it's bugged so it could be even more insane

  • @mtrithart
    @mtrithart 3 месяца назад

    Temerity has been working for me. Have been able to survive a little bit better.

  • @manfredhoudek2385
    @manfredhoudek2385 3 месяца назад

    Disagree with Iron Maiden can stack iron maiden output, use Razorblade and add Golem percentage of thorns. Using shield.

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад

      Still after all of that not worth it

  • @skillywilly187
    @skillywilly187 3 месяца назад

    its so true though ill be in the pit and die to something so fast i had no shot to react to or to realize im being in jeopardy of dying. especially in helltides you just die especially on them bosses thats spawned so many times i have no clue what killed me. im going on hiatus till vessel.. elden ring dlc time ill still be in purgatory though

  • @Hoigwai
    @Hoigwai 3 месяца назад +1

    Ideas for Kalan's edict.
    1. Attack speed and more minions like you said.
    2. Every 10th hit of a minion they summon a reaper that lasts 3 seconds and attacks with a cleaving scythe for the same damage as your golem.
    3. Attack speed and now your golem becomes an undead horror combining the abilities of all 3 types and has a 10% (x) damage.

  • @Juuhi1337
    @Juuhi1337 3 месяца назад

    For me ITS working with max Life since last night. Since the holy blast Pot is working again

  • @Revxss
    @Revxss 3 месяца назад

    I logged into my necro after the patch, and I just couldn't play it.....
    I was dying to mobs that I was rolling over before.
    I got so frustrated that I just deleted it.

  • @gramshouse699
    @gramshouse699 3 месяца назад

    Needs a Basic Minion Skill, Needs a Core Minion Skill, Key Passive needs something much more than just attack speed. Just have something that spawns temp minions. got shako and it does nothing for minions. need more "Skills" that do something directly minion. more flavor, more screen pop more " i did this skill and now see its impact on the screen".

  • @jonatanko666
    @jonatanko666 3 месяца назад

    i agree with rework i missing bone shield, bone wall, teeth spell or poisoned dagger as necro have in D2 and need some spells to be more atractive for use and maybe create some intresting wild usefull builds and also missing fire golem with burning aura and curse for lower resistances in D2. for me necro in D4 feels like 50% of D2 necro what was masterpiece to me not even D3 necro or immortal necro are close ;)

  • @camus1679
    @camus1679 3 месяца назад

    Started season 4 with minion build was having fun and now idk what to do😂😂🙃🙃 probably start a rouge tomorrow

  • @valant69
    @valant69 3 месяца назад

    ?? what about our old defense "Bone Armor"

  • @dustofhell
    @dustofhell 3 месяца назад

    Its sad that i can buff the Shadow minion with shadow skills, but not the Bone golem with bone skills, it does not work.. i tested full Bone buff Golem.. but nothing work with bone golem. i can use Basic skill etc for bone mages , thats nice, the aspects also work good with basic then, but not with golem, maybe other golems, i only tested bone golem. whats your opinion? maybe this should be changed

    • @lordmakino9514
      @lordmakino9514 3 месяца назад +1

      Yea like why isn't bone golem with the bone archetype along so you basically only do summoning damage or golem or mage bruh there isn't even skeletal warrior damage temper like its just sad
      Not having blood mages or worriors to is kinda dumb to since they should fit the archetype If you want to summon them or sacrifice but nah hell we can't even get ranks on our stuff when we should

  • @NeCoNLive
    @NeCoNLive 3 месяца назад

    If every option becomes a no-brainer. There is no options and no options = Less fun.

  • @Shipdacheese
    @Shipdacheese 3 месяца назад

    I was getting one shot by arsonists and shorelurkers in pits. Normal mobs not even bosses...so i moved on to barb. I came to the conclusion necro is just sad.

  • @davidfrazier6308
    @davidfrazier6308 3 месяца назад

    You know what's crazy necro has damage sorc has defenses to survive but necro dies fast and sorc don't do hardly any damage but can survive even against hard enemy's it just struggles to kill them.i just thought about this. both need to be fixed i level a necro first then a sorc and then a barb i main a sorc but this season i main barb because its actually can survive and do big damage.

  • @vincentpeer5188
    @vincentpeer5188 3 месяца назад

    Talk about classes that channel some skill and then can’t walk or evade for anywhere from 1-10 whole ass seconds!!! Game breaking glitch if you use any channeling ability.

  • @OriginalBaconPancakes
    @OriginalBaconPancakes 3 месяца назад

    GOLEMS. Not Ghoulems

  • @dixterco3353
    @dixterco3353 3 месяца назад

    They should hire you, really

  • @Nin13666
    @Nin13666 3 месяца назад

    wtf was that tentacular promotion

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +1

      Game is pretty damn good sir! With a little bonus

  • @Jalabanga
    @Jalabanga 3 месяца назад

    nice video, keep it up ;)

  • @IndyMotoRider
    @IndyMotoRider 3 месяца назад +1

    Pfft. I play a druid. Don't come at me with your necro whines 😆 My buddy plays a necro, no minions and his damage is nuts.

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +1

      Our damage is nuts
      But that's not at all a point of the video

  • @TheSnackAttackingSnorlax
    @TheSnackAttackingSnorlax 3 месяца назад +1

    lol bro…. Gtfo…. You seriously asking for necro buffs when it’s the best class in the season? Lame . 😒. Bye.

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +6

      Sir barb is by far but why would you fact check
      And Iam not asking for buffs
      IAM asking for things that should work to work 👍

    • @tomorrowshappiness
      @tomorrowshappiness 3 месяца назад +6

      it's not the best class this season anymore. did you see the new patch? AND holy bolts being removed. Maxroll, and Rob have Barb, rogue and The Unkillable Sorc build in S+ tier. maybe do some research before commenting?

    • @lukeeisenmenger
      @lukeeisenmenger 3 месяца назад +5

      ?????????? have you even LOOKED at quite literally any barb gameplay? Do you see their build diversity they can achieve at high levels? Necro sucks rn outside of minions

    • @PlasticTonkaToy
      @PlasticTonkaToy 3 месяца назад

      It wasn't the best class this season. It was a hype train because it's an easy way to play and getting started. It's mid tier.

    • @AlexTeo
      @AlexTeo 3 месяца назад

      necro is below mid 🥲

  • @jgassman
    @jgassman 3 месяца назад +16

    As a sorc main, I agree 100%. We both (and druids) need two more weapons slots to compete. I’m sick of always being behind barb’s with their 600k life. All 3 need a major rework

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +8

      Just give us belt slots

  • @yourhrbro
    @yourhrbro 3 месяца назад +24

    You know what boggles my mind. That Minions while have their active skills are not actually skills. So Shako can't buff Warriors/Mages/Golem, while in D2 it was buffing all of them. This makes 0 sense.

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +10

      Having an actual minion core skill would "fix that"

    • @VargVikernes1488
      @VargVikernes1488 3 месяца назад

      Shako buff the mastery passives

    • @torete29new
      @torete29new 3 месяца назад +3

      @@VargVikernes1488 Nope, it doesn't. Just checked it rigth now, and no buff in any mastery passive.

    • @scott898586
      @scott898586 3 месяца назад +5

      It's kind of nuts how it says +4 to all skills, but it doesn't include passives that require skill points.

    • @yodat4607
      @yodat4607 3 месяца назад

      What is Shako

  • @johngohchuanheng3417
    @johngohchuanheng3417 3 месяца назад +15

    I wan more minion types ... undead heroes , lich , the revived
    And i prefer minions as an aura effect without me constantly clicking resummon , and free up 2 skill slots

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +4

      Oh please sir don't spoil me with a good time!

    • @HatiKeseorangan
      @HatiKeseorangan 3 месяца назад

      Agree 😂

    • @frostyontheradio9326
      @frostyontheradio9326 3 месяца назад

      My guy just want us to overpower the game

    • @rabidpickleosrs2995
      @rabidpickleosrs2995 3 месяца назад +2

      Imagine if Necromancer had summon slots, similar to Sorc enchantment slots, that you could put the warrior and golem skills into that auto summon every X seconds and gives priest bonus when it goes off.

    • @johngohchuanheng3417
      @johngohchuanheng3417 3 месяца назад

      It will be even sweeter , if we can collecting undead entities/champion from locations through somekind of mission or boss fight ..similar to strongholds , to fill up the book of the dead lol

  • @Arcasting1
    @Arcasting1 3 месяца назад +7

    I’ve been a summoner necromancer since the game came out and I love it. I appreciate all the changes blizzard is implementing as well. Can’t wait for the first expansion!

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +1

      Appreciate it and hoping for more!

  • @jaxdvr
    @jaxdvr 3 месяца назад +2

    All great points and agree 100% the skills are broken. Also wish the uniques and ubers were better... Why is it we can use Shako, Grandfather, Ty might and Selig on Barbs and not a single one on necros w/o completely breaking the build, make no sense.
    Necro was supposedly the GO TO this season, finally fixed, not! Barbs are by far the most OP, I've spent a quarter of the time on my Barb as I have my necro and yeah my necro hits harder but my barb is so tanky and still hits in the millions not to mention its just more fun to play. Still love the necro and have since D2 just wish they would address all of your points. Cant wait for the next necro video keep up the great work and thank you!

  • @outlawz38
    @outlawz38 3 месяца назад +26

    Necro definitely needs a huge rework. Our basic skills are useless on every single build. And you're right about the key passive, it's ridiculous.

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +8

      Oh word forgot about the basic skills
      Not a single one is kinda cool!

    • @Atmosfe4r
      @Atmosfe4r 3 месяца назад +3

      Everything needs a rework... Perhaps we have a basic working game by the time the expansion releases

    • @GorimLivingstone
      @GorimLivingstone 3 месяца назад +1

      Decompose would be actually very cool if they make it a castable dot instead of a channel

    • @lancepowell1965
      @lancepowell1965 3 месяца назад

      It's not gonna be a working game till the 2nd expansion when they release an auction house, group finder, and clan functions

    • @skygaming7266
      @skygaming7266 3 месяца назад

      ​@@lancepowell1965 Auction house? Nah

  • @steveozone4910
    @steveozone4910 3 месяца назад +5

    Necro needs more ways to use corpses. I'd also like to see Necro's shadow pools be classed as Desecrated ground.
    They could honestly use curses to focus target your minions as they are used in every Necro build. Iron maiden would be more useful if it could consume corpses and just target enemies without them having to attack you.
    I think the Necros defence is all control. Stuns via darkness skills, Tendrils. Plus you can now temper a lot of LH control, but then you're relying on LH and its such a dumb mechanic 😂.

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +2

      I do agree but it ain't real defence - you literally gotta tip toe around without ever feeling "safe"

    • @steveozone4910
      @steveozone4910 3 месяца назад

      @@P4wnyhof Necro seems to have been designed like the mage in that aspect. You have to keep an eye on your control cooldowns ( which do nothing against bosses). It's defo a kite around class unless you use bone storm, but ultimate skills suck in general imo.

    • @mickpratt8327
      @mickpratt8327 3 месяца назад

      ​@steveozone4910 you don't use Bonestorm for the damage you use it for the survivability with barrier so you dont have to waste an equipment slot with tempering for Temerity.

  • @madzaisa
    @madzaisa 3 месяца назад +5

    Btw, i'm still salty there is no poison necro skills at all. But maybe, we get more skill with Vessel of Hatred. Or maybe more cold skills.

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +2

      Yeah blight is kinda poison but we are missing way more options

    • @howeirdgaming4386
      @howeirdgaming4386 3 месяца назад

      There actually is a darkness/cold build.

  • @Shaera574
    @Shaera574 3 месяца назад +1

    I swear ! thanks for saying the truth ! also lets talk about uniques : ring of mendeln is useless, sacriligious soul is kinda useless, amulet for blood surge is trash. Lets talk about the core skills : the biggest issue i noticed is if you put mastery rank for golem on your chest you can't get essence per seconds. Since blight is consuming a lot of essence you are screwed ! same for the boots : essence par secs or skeleton ranks ? I have stopped playing as necromencer : i wanted to do a summoner bone spear build but bone spear with minions is trash. Blight summoner ? Well you lose the ranks to commander to make minions stronger when they are near you if you choose to use blight with ebonpiercer
    Sever is trash as hell even with the unique boots to make shadows on the floor.
    Corpse explosion doesn't stack damage : event without minions you put a shako with black river and so on corpse explosion is trash now
    Again thanks for the content : Blizzard watch the video !

  • @pondomatik
    @pondomatik 3 месяца назад +1

    Hear me out:
    1. Agreed we need blood mages, no build or anyone do anything with cold damage, can even remove that dumb unique for it and the dumb cold aspect for it that no one ever used.....
    2. Remove ALL the uniques that has no use whatsoever , also tired of seeing a new unique added and only YT theory crafters/ content creators showcase a possible use.
    who even used that unique shield for anything good?
    3. Bone storm should be a up there next to mist why is it an Ultimate...upgraded bone stone should add shielding storm aspect into the skill tool tip to reduce aspect slots, then have the option
    fairly low CD bone storm: causes bone dot damage for 2sec instead of shadow with considerable DR or Consume 5 corpse to increase bone storm time .
    4. I think Iron Maiden was thought up to be used if your doing thorns build and or pvp that only 1% of the population even do. IMHO toss that skill away altogether decreptify lives rent free on every necro skill bar.
    5. Find some kind of Cool effect looking Bone related skill to be ultimate, maybe let it summon a mean looking bone spirit that stays up a few seconds going around blowing things up, All 3 ultimates does same kind of damage range with its added skill effect. Thereby Removing bone spirit as a skill altogether. Your bone game play will now be if u want to use Visage or howl from below.
    6. Playing bone build: Ossified essence key passive | Playing blood: Rathmas Vigor | Playing Shadow: Shadow blight >>>>>>>>>>> Minion builds can use any of these.
    7. Rework Sacrificing, you sacrifice but still get a simulacrum which cant be killed since we can get added defense and damage for having a minion out, it woint be as much DR but just enough to survive....whatever Core or basic skill we fire they fire too..
    8. Remove Blood surge, nobody wanna stand still firing this when all kinda hot madness can 1 shot u on the floor.. Blood lance and Bone spear can be slightly same in damage output just different was to achieve it, depending on your choice playstyle.
    9 . Remove summoning damage temper to free up the tempering rolls , no one be using that.
    10. MAKE USING A SHIELD A NECRO VIABLE THING WITHOUT A LOST TO DAMAGE: Necros shouldnt need to use a focus, heck the focus should be Wizard specific just like druids totem, Necro is showcased with a shield sooooooo why don't we have a use for it currently. The shield should have specific affixes designed to add a huge survivability bonus without Damage loss. This gives us additional Aspect slots, more survivability and able to use 2 uniques comfortably to keep up/ or enhance damage. Lastly Comparable CDR to a focus should be appear on shields affix rolls.
    10.b. Rework aspect so that using 2H or 1H+Shield works out just about the same.
    11. Maybe Also Remove Bone Prison, that has to be very bad on controller, how about adding a second Corpse Tendrils aspect has the added effect of creating a bone prison when pulling all the mobs and one that pulls, creates the prison and also forms pool of blight thus removing that aspect which no one uses buffing shadow damage and DR
    12. Bone Spear: bone build, Blood Lance: Blood build, Sever: Shadow build different playstyles, each can be played with a minion for added survivability and some damage or glass cannons. almost identical in base damage outputs, your Gear: (affix , Temp, masterworking) affects the total damage output u can get... Seasons may buff 1 play style over the other to create variety, but each should still be viable for whatever content you want to play.
    13. Minion only build can exist like it is currently with the better balance/fix to paragon board..
    Thoughts?

  • @vormarsch
    @vormarsch 3 месяца назад +1

    Blood Wave could have its CD lowered to like 30 sec maybe?
    Comparing that one with stuff like Druid's Petrify, there could also be some other utility attached to Blood Wave.
    Such as bonus essence regen or healing, I don't know. Only tried BW on a single build once.
    Blizzard should overhaul the Paragon boards beforre next season, especially for the (minion) Necro.
    Update all unique items as well, bring them in line with regular affix modifiers:
    Namely stats, crit chance etc too weak as compared to legendary affixes, when a unique should be even stronger (no aspect, no tempers issue)

  • @alessioleporati1478
    @alessioleporati1478 3 месяца назад +1

    As a bone mage/spear necro I can speed clear a T99 pit to farm the matts to masterwork and the rest of the content besides uber lilith is a joke. In order to get my Necro doing tens of millions of damage I had to troublshoot the heck out of the Paragon because there were no build guides I could follow, but despite all the criticism that the Paragon board gets, the paragon system in D4 is a deep itemization system where i swear if you optimize it a certain way you could be doing ten times more damage than what you are currently doing with how you have it set up now. I cannot stress it enough to new and casual players that the paragons and glyphs make a tremendous difference to your build in the endgame.

  • @sevenvseight
    @sevenvseight 3 месяца назад +1

    Am I the only one that considers fortify a defensive skill?

  • @Chadwick5324
    @Chadwick5324 3 месяца назад +1

    Unpopular opinion, perhaps. I very much dislike the "blood archetype" of the D4 necro. I prefer the idea of the D2 necro that had a focus on Summon, Bone, and poison. I feel that because the devs wanted to add blood to the D4 necro, it came at a sacrifice of the summon necro being an initial focus on release. The summon part was just there as an extra bonus rather than a main build.

  • @raidenpz
    @raidenpz 3 месяца назад +1

    The two skeletons glyphs need to be combined with an x25 damage effect on both. Absolutely nuke the +skeletons aspect and shove it in the masteries or key passive. The skeleton priest duration temper should disappear immediately. Mendeln needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Hell at this point shove +2golem +2warrior +2mage + 2amplify damage as affixes, or at least change the flat damage that might as well scale with ranks to teleport and fireball to a tal rasha type of minion damage multiplier.

  • @torete29new
    @torete29new 3 месяца назад +1

    Absolutely agree. There are many thing with the Necro that actually has no sense at all. Some changes were needed, but since these changes, now a rework is compulsory. One important thing also, that you didn't mentioned, is about basics skills, that are completely useless, and even, if you are running minions, have no space since you have 2 habilitiy places filled with their abilities. Feels so simple... :(

  • @spagzs
    @spagzs 3 месяца назад +3

    It would be cool if the minions did combo attacks with each other. Like skeletons could combine into one bigger skeletons to they could whip each other at monsters

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +2

      There is so much potential!

    • @littlechill2579
      @littlechill2579 3 месяца назад +2

      This is not PoE 2 :D

  • @NikkiBoyd-xf9dt
    @NikkiBoyd-xf9dt 3 месяца назад +1

    Minion key passive needs to feel impactful. Something like giving each minion type a new attack that is on cool down which can be affected by CDR.
    Allowing shako to affect minions for the +skills would be great
    Core skills need to feel impactful and actually useful to non minion builds, and should be somewhat viable in half minion builds, not filler. Currently only blight deals actual damage and only because of Ebonpiercer unique.

  • @twentyonebaggagefranklin5075
    @twentyonebaggagefranklin5075 3 месяца назад +1

    I’ve gotten my necros crit to 5700% with plus 18 to bone spear and it hits for about 8-10 mill. My barb at about 2600% crit hits for about 11-40 billion with rupture.

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад +1

      Yes necro has sad scaling but compared to barb you are also missing 3 aspects

  • @19Reaper63
    @19Reaper63 3 месяца назад +2

    Nothing will be done now, but did manage to get to 109 in the pit with one of your builds for the necro

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад

      Tonight S5 Necro changes! We will know more with the PTR patch notes

  • @pierrepellerin249
    @pierrepellerin249 3 месяца назад +11

    I ditched my necro for a rogue 10 days ago or so. Got tired of minions and he sort of capped at around pit 90. Needed major changes to go foward so I stopped. My rogue now does pit 118. Much simpler to play and I like it better.

    • @ddtwo
      @ddtwo 3 месяца назад +4

      doing 115er with my necro and i am not even maxxed out on masterworking rn and stil got only 1 highly optimized item

    • @dakotagianniny1960
      @dakotagianniny1960 3 месяца назад

      I got tired of minions myself. Went to rogue. The Andy's is popping off. It's crazy fun. Moving pack to pack w dot damage.

    • @johnnycapote9817
      @johnnycapote9817 3 месяца назад +3

      ​@@ddtwoyeah that guy don't know how to play the game if he can't beat lv90 pits

    • @johnnycapote9817
      @johnnycapote9817 3 месяца назад

      Just say you are trash AF at the game dude

    • @Godric5024
      @Godric5024 3 месяца назад +2

      To be fair, 10 days ago was before mid-season patch when they nerfed pits and now it's a lot easier to do like 20+ tiers higher at almost the same gear and stuff as before, let alone if they'd kept playing Necro that entire time upgrading their gear. So I don't think it's cool to just say they don't know how to play the game.

  • @chaseturner
    @chaseturner 3 месяца назад +1

    All really good points. Yes despite how strong the Necro class is this season, it feels a bit awkward and forced to use the same skills and gear to make it work. I will echo that uniques for this class are mostly garbage we can’t do anything with compared to their legendary counterparts. They just said in the campfire chat just now that uniques will continue to be untempered to maintain their ‘uniqueness’, which is a huge mistake. They can still lock the original affixes and aspects and allow tempering, because they are inherently weaker with 2 less affixes, and trash ones at that. And yes, FFS, please equalize gear slots so Barbs aren’t ridiculously OP every season.

  • @blazefury8336
    @blazefury8336 3 месяца назад +1

    You made some great points in this video. I've been playing thorns necro and loving it. My warriors are my main damage dealers, but I hate having the bonus affix for the glyph being so useless. Also, having to use damage to close to maximize damage feels wrong vs. some kind of summoning damage. It would be nice if they had a skeletal warrior damage that scaled with skeletal mastery. I also wish we had a better option than shadowblight for minions. My mages are really just there to proc shadowblight.

  • @larrylumlarrylum5726
    @larrylumlarrylum5726 3 месяца назад +1

    Well i will love necro if the AI is better and location control is better for controller.. esp in harder content, having your golem slam in a empty space is stupid. The minion skill should just be on the target i locked on, not some random location.
    Plus i also face a issue where if i press tendril right after blood mist.. my character is stuck for a short moment.

  • @Mendighoul
    @Mendighoul 3 месяца назад +1

    Let's face it. Diablo 4 is better than at launch, but it's still a very bad game.

  • @AnatoleVGC
    @AnatoleVGC 3 месяца назад

    To be fair, only barbarians are in a good state right now. Even rogue has problems with a lot of its skills. The game went heavy on power creep so everything that wasnt heavily buffed feels awful

  • @Marekw1976
    @Marekw1976 3 месяца назад +2

    Aaaaand this is why I am now playing flay barb lol

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад

      👍 I have been enjoying barb more than I care to admit

    • @Marekw1976
      @Marekw1976 3 месяца назад

      @@P4wnyhof same brother.

    • @timternent2284
      @timternent2284 3 месяца назад

      Yup but who wants to roll a rogue alt and try to roll crit on weapons 1 in 5 chance.....

  • @philosocrates
    @philosocrates 3 месяца назад

    Sorc has defense, but why are all 3 required for every build. Its boring

  • @ohcibi
    @ohcibi 3 месяца назад +1

    Even on a blood orbs based build the 3 blood orbs from blood wave are so damn useless. But tbf there is a few ultimate skills also for the other classes where the second upgrade is just a joke

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад

      Yes ultimates in general are no ultimates

  • @Sternreign
    @Sternreign 3 месяца назад

    Ive been having fun doing the season journey with each class. Still have the Barb.
    Ive gotten 4 Ubers so far; TM, SS, Selig, and my 4th... Also Selig but with RG GA.
    My lvl 35 warrior is going to be fun with Grand Daddy, Shako..
    Basicslly every uber it can weild except doombringer. I wonder if it can do Fallen Temple at say lvl 37.
    Really wish I had more fun with my Necro though. Ive had fun with Pulverize Druid, Rapid Fire Rogue, and love setting shit on fire with incinerate mage. But the fun of Golem Necro ran out awhile ago. And with the state if tempering... hell, give us a way to choose our enchantments, like I get a good chest thats missing Golem Mastery, or an Amulet missing Hellbent Comander, I want a way of forcing that on said item. 2 Stygian Stones and say 10 million gold and 100 angel breath (since they love that being the cost of everything)
    And Temptering... a similar cost to redo the tempering, or make the seasonal mechanic/quest thingy give a repeatable way to be able to do so.
    And Greater Affixes. Why not be abke to use resplendent sparks and angel breath to upgrade 1+ random stats on a gear to GA.
    Diablo 4 is MUCH improved, and still has a way to go. At least we know they are listening....

  • @tonys7231
    @tonys7231 3 месяца назад

    Blight key passive is actually dog water. No one actually uses it for its shadowblight damage. Even with 1000% shadow DOT (2000%) and aspect of decay (225x), it does peanuts because the base value is 22% of your damage. Really? 22% damage for something that gets triggered after the 10th hit? The only reason people use this dog water passive is the blighted aspect that gives you a burst of 240%x damage. And we get into the issue of aspect slots just like bone storm because you need to dedicate a two hand weapon for it. Now all you have left is 2 rings, a glove, and an amulet to spread your utility, resource, and offensive aspects on, if you don't use any uniques. Necros feel so limited when it comes to theory crafting. Many of these aspects should really be a part of the skill instead of an aspect.

  • @markhurley3714
    @markhurley3714 3 месяца назад

    Played golem necro until pit 112.
    Played bash barb until pit 125.
    Bash barb has 6 less in game days and worse gear. Plus, playstyle is much simpler.
    Yet....holy bolts was the problem, lol gtfo.
    Used amnesia scroll to rebuild older seasons bone necro...so much less power than bash barb.
    1 uear of playing a mecro. 4 in game days as a barb. Quality of life over here is so much better. Barb team at blizzard has their shit together better than the necro team. Don't believe me, try a bash barb, just sayin

  • @llovoll0513
    @llovoll0513 3 месяца назад

    your absolutely wrong comparing bone storm set up to druid bulwark. bulwark is only up for 3 seconds compared to the base 10 of bone storm and bulwark only gives % to base life barrier unlike bone storm(yes is know it is bugged right now). Also you can have pretty much perma bone storm using decripify. where as to have perma bulwark you need an aspect to increase bulwark duration and an aspect that reduces cooldowns when your 35% chance key passive procs. Necro IS in a good/great spot with minions or without minions but yet you still complain and cry for more. All its gonna do is push the lower classes farther down the totem pole

  • @YSSipher
    @YSSipher 3 месяца назад

    They should have used D2 necro as template and built on it. It's so disappointing although still fun at the same time. This is the only class in the game with no fkin authentic gear except for a few scythes to call it's own. No necro wands or totems. Nothing. And I fkin hate it.
    I think we're in for some good things come Kurast expansion though. That was necro stomping grounds in pt 2.

  • @Winterhe4rt
    @Winterhe4rt 3 месяца назад

    Generally the rare nodes on the paragon boards are laughable. Even on a sorc 90% have resist to elements.. wtf.. a sorc has way overcapped resists anyway, why are there sooo many resist nodes?

  • @alexfierro1298
    @alexfierro1298 3 месяца назад

    I completely agree, blood wave should not be an ultimate. Unless they bufffed the damage, make it do like 3 times the damage, and desecration was stackable.

  • @ecoded3033
    @ecoded3033 3 месяца назад

    Agree with everything. Id like to see some of the uniques reworked too, and how sick would a golem unique be that changed your golem into an actual hulking monstrosity.

  • @bipolargods509
    @bipolargods509 3 месяца назад

    I'd rather play necromancer in d3. Many more options. With or without minions you're still locked into playing with the same skills most of the time

  • @andrewmayrand272
    @andrewmayrand272 3 месяца назад

    people will never stop complaining, its absolutely relentless. The majority wanted viable minions we got them and still whining from the peanuts.

  • @bigdogang
    @bigdogang 3 месяца назад

    Nah after that patch the necro is gettin one shot!!!! Don’t make no sense ??? Something seems off like the damage reduction is off

  • @powerrangerkunal
    @powerrangerkunal 3 месяца назад

    thank you for speaking my mind. Edict verdict should be ultimate skill with enrage minion bonus.

  • @vamperic
    @vamperic 3 месяца назад

    I cannot wait for the deep minion customization with POE2...D4 minions are a bloody joke so damn basic

  • @ipkleader
    @ipkleader 3 месяца назад

    how about a not bugged game first :3 where every patch does not makes something broken or not working at all

  • @nickkalf7667
    @nickkalf7667 3 месяца назад

    take temerity pants with one affix of life generation or life on kill and wou have always a barrier up

  • @lostkeystudios
    @lostkeystudios 3 месяца назад

    so if all this is the case are they even worth playin since blizzard usually never cares enough to fix things?

  • @Zittylol
    @Zittylol 3 месяца назад

    I have never used Blood wave as it is really lame. But yes blizzard is being lazy again?

  • @StrongArmEntertainment
    @StrongArmEntertainment 3 месяца назад

    I had to switch to barb. I got tired of being slow, weak and dying.

  • @Waifu999
    @Waifu999 3 месяца назад

    Only barbs are truly strong right now in season 4

  • @ys2850
    @ys2850 3 месяца назад

    also golems movements r clunky and buggy

  • @doms587
    @doms587 3 месяца назад

    NO NO NOOOOOO I spent hrs loving my necro 😢

  • @djbotello
    @djbotello 3 месяца назад

    They need to do more for it. It's very ok.

  • @FlukeSlywalker82
    @FlukeSlywalker82 3 месяца назад

    Looking forward to season 19

  • @VenenoZerg
    @VenenoZerg 3 месяца назад

    100% agree!

  • @kingwafflemonger5703
    @kingwafflemonger5703 3 месяца назад

    To the Erdtree P4wny!

  • @furyfighter540
    @furyfighter540 3 месяца назад

    I just cleared a 137 last night...... what's the issue? It's not as good as before holy bolts nerf. But still great

    • @P4wnyhof
      @P4wnyhof  3 месяца назад

      It ain't about strength mate

  • @NoEgoGamingg
    @NoEgoGamingg 3 месяца назад

    Blodless scream + andy helm + greaves of empty tomb + perma bone storm works and it's fun(cold bv from poe) only at 61 pit atm but it's smooth and the build has room for improvements.
    My main concern is the lack of crit damage the tree/paragon has to offer.

  • @duchailu
    @duchailu 3 месяца назад

    i have been experimenting a ton these past few days, and i personnaly found something that made me push further than golem in the pit: you really should try removing shadowblight for kalan's edict, but also remove the aphotic and blighted aspects, and instead, put reanimation aspect on the 2h weapon, and aspect of the damned/grasping veins on your rings (you can remove the one ring with grasping veins for the sacrilegious ring for a bit less dmg but a ton mroe QoL) and since you still have one free aspect to use, i've personnaly put hardened bones... to sum up: tKalan's edict for tons of attack speed with 80% dmg (x) on weapon and 50% dmg (x) on ring with damned aspect (yes, it works with your mages since they deal shadow dmg and you use your curse all the time anyway) ... i'll let you do the math, but it REALLY does add up to a TON of DMG (and you're a lot tankier too) !! (i had to try something to make my +7 amplify dmg ring work ^^)

  • @gheorghevasile1412
    @gheorghevasile1412 3 месяца назад

    necro is super strong while leveling...endgame geared necro is the lowest pit pusher by far..

  • @DrDamagePHD
    @DrDamagePHD 3 месяца назад

    I just started playing this season and I was really surprised that the necro doesn’t have a bone armor skill.

  • @DavidWebsterAD
    @DavidWebsterAD 3 месяца назад

    I just did a normal 89 pit for me and I could not complete it with my Necro. Something happened on the hot fix.

  • @VertigoFiles
    @VertigoFiles 3 месяца назад

    in your opinion where would you put necro rn in tier wise ?

  • @nadeltrauma127
    @nadeltrauma127 3 месяца назад

    Da mir viele Entscheidungen der Deffs in Bezug auf die Builds, vorallem beim Druiden und Nekro sehr missfallen und enttäuschen und ich sehr viel von deiner Meinung halte schmeiß hier mal mein Hauptproblem von D4 rein in Bezug auf Buildvielfalt und Spaß, und hoffe das du das mal thematisierst.
    Das jetzige Item/ Aspekte System erinnert mich zu sehr an D4 Sets und lässt einem keinen oder nur miniminimalen Spielraum bei den spielbaren Builds(Pit 100+). Der Rest läuft nur über Glück bei Drops und Tempern und selbst das läuft nur in eine Richtung. Abweichung = Verlust bei DMG und Überleben.
    Meine Gedanken dazu,
    Sämtliche Aspekte die einfach nur DMG XY erhöhen müssten raus und sinnvoll in die Parabretter.
    Klassenbezogene Unique raus und als Aspekte anbieten, oder das Härten dieser ermöglichen.
    Durch Zusatzslot bei Druide, Sorc und Nekro mehr Aspekte ermöglichen (Barbar 4 Waffen -.- die spinnen doch)
    Mehr Aspekt einbringen die Fähigkeiten ändern, kombinieren oder Proccs ermöglichen (Bsp. Kugelblitz oder Hunter Pfeilsturm)
    Klassenübergreifende Uniques und Über sinnvoll buffen.
    Das würde meiner Meinung nach die Buildvielfalt extrem erhöhen und einen nicht an die Standard DMG Aspekt zwingen, und eventuell ließe sich so auch die direkte Fähigkeitenbalance erleichtern. Rumprobieren ist zu Zeitaufwendig und viel zu teuer für normale Spieler (Pitmats und Rerollsystem).
    Ich knall das hier mal auf Deutsch rein weil ich weiß das du einer von uns bist aber du kannst gern auf Englisch reagieren, ich kann es verstehen und lesen habs aber mit 47 nicht so mit englisch schreiben^^

  • @HichamBallouz
    @HichamBallouz 3 месяца назад

    well said

  • @utikahk4538
    @utikahk4538 3 месяца назад

    I play hardcore, and i found that Temerity with blood golem makes you a tank. You're constantly using your golems active which keeps your barrier up. Have a high max health, and you feel godlike. Your golems active becomes a defensive/offensive ability.

    • @sstruve1
      @sstruve1 3 месяца назад

      I believe this interaction is bugged and not intended to work that way. Keep an eye out for changes next season.

    • @utikahk4538
      @utikahk4538 3 месяца назад

      @sstruve1 Really? It says any healing you receive over 100% turns into a barrier so I would think it works correctly because the Golem heals you and anything over 100% turns into a barrier which keeps your barrier up. What part is the bug?

  • @chrisbenson98
    @chrisbenson98 3 месяца назад

    I think vessel of hatred is going to address most of this with the update to skills and the paragon board.

    • @sstruve1
      @sstruve1 3 месяца назад

      While I hope that is true, it is sad that I have to pay more for the game to finally work properly. Imagine buying a new a CD, and it does not work. Now you need to pay extra for features like skipping songs..

    • @rabidpickleosrs2995
      @rabidpickleosrs2995 3 месяца назад

      The core game reworks that are coming do not require any additional purchase to get. They are updates to the base game.