It appears the starting temp for the lap at grid life was ~10C lower (If I am viewing correctly)...(granted that = more impedance so may be a wash with new power). TY Chris and MPP for Sharing!! Excited to see more data in the future!
Is it possible for an aftermarket product (party box maybe?) to cap the power at something more comparable to the old car but having a "passing" button when max power needed for a short time?
Canada just announced a tariff on Chinese EV imports. This tariff specifically applies to the Tesla Model 3 Performance because it uses the Chinese battery. Canada may switch to the Panasonic battery now.
@@boostav yeah but the cooling system is unified so any where you can reject heat and take load off of the system the more cooling power can be directed to the battery. There is a kit to add another cooler the rear motor oil loop before it hits the cooling system heat exchanger. Can’t remember who sells it. Is there any cooling override that can be done to cold soak the battery between sessions, assuming there is an RV plug available.
@@harryman11 Yes we sell a rear oil cooler kit for the older cars. Unfortunately this battery limiting is internal, and based on modeled parameters so no "actual" cooling can solve anything at this time. Hopefully Tesla allow more aggressive discharge in a future software update!
A front "grill" to provide cooling somehow would be awesome, i never liked the blank space in the front! This is probably a dumb idea but i know nothing.
You guys are not selling it! My older M3P is pretty handy on track, with a 2ish min lap on a high speed circuit, Snetterton UK. I can do one warm up and then it usually gets hot in the 3rd or 4th hard lap. Then one cool down lap. By this point brakes are pretty much finished even with hot pads and fluid. What are the rear motor and battery cooled by? Battery mineral oil for battery and Motor = synthetic oil? Has anyone looked at increased the volume of these cooling circuits? Perhaps adding a larger cooler? It must be possible to tune these for longevity rather than just reduce the power
Such a joke that they are giving us low power model in Canada. Fact Tesla even released Alibaba version of a "PERFORMANCE" Model is comical. People who are willing to spend money on a performance anything, definitely give a crap about every single hp. Let alone 40hp+!! Don't even bother selling it in Canada!
I'm sure there is a regulation somewhere Canada is enforcing with the teslas being sold there. Or a value in the sales figures there with their performance. All about the money
yeah, it sucks. Plus the P model doesn't qualify for the EV tax credit. Gonna wait on my end and see hwo the China EV automakers tax review ends up - as that may be a route into a US version with the better battery. OR we will go with a plaid.
@@AvianSolutions yes, if you do some research you will see the US get the better battery to qualify for US fed credits. Canada and the rest get the China made version, with the different battery
It appears the starting temp for the lap at grid life was ~10C lower (If I am viewing correctly)...(granted that = more impedance so may be a wash with new power). TY Chris and MPP for Sharing!! Excited to see more data in the future!
I wish they'd give the Model 3 Perf's pack some Plaid treatment, maybe a beefier heat exchanger too...
Forreal. If they made a truly model 3 plaid, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Is it possible for an aftermarket product (party box maybe?) to cap the power at something more comparable to the old car but having a "passing" button when max power needed for a short time?
This already exists! Well, in our cars anyways. It's not something we offer publicly yet but it is coming!
@@MountainPassPerformance somehow not surprised haha. Very cool though!
@MountainPassPerformance for track use which car is better 2024 or older 22/21 models? Thanks
Canada just announced a tariff on Chinese EV imports. This tariff specifically applies to the Tesla Model 3 Performance because it uses the Chinese battery. Canada may switch to the Panasonic battery now.
That’s disappointing. Is there the secondary oil cooler or other coolers available?
It's not the motor overheating and limiting power output it's the battery pack.
@@boostav yeah but the cooling system is unified so any where you can reject heat and take load off of the system the more cooling power can be directed to the battery. There is a kit to add another cooler the rear motor oil loop before it hits the cooling system heat exchanger. Can’t remember who sells it. Is there any cooling override that can be done to cold soak the battery between sessions, assuming there is an RV plug available.
Turn on the cabin heater and that should cool the battery better at the driver's expense.
Zevelectric has a kit i am considering
@@harryman11 Yes we sell a rear oil cooler kit for the older cars. Unfortunately this battery limiting is internal, and based on modeled parameters so no "actual" cooling can solve anything at this time. Hopefully Tesla allow more aggressive discharge in a future software update!
Do the suspension parts from the old model 3 interchange with the refresh?
A front "grill" to provide cooling somehow would be awesome, i never liked the blank space in the front! This is probably a dumb idea but i know nothing.
there is a front grill
You guys are not selling it! My older M3P is pretty handy on track, with a 2ish min lap on a high speed circuit, Snetterton UK. I can do one warm up and then it usually gets hot in the 3rd or 4th hard lap. Then one cool down lap. By this point brakes are pretty much finished even with hot pads and fluid. What are the rear motor and battery cooled by? Battery mineral oil for battery and Motor = synthetic oil?
Has anyone looked at increased the volume of these cooling circuits? Perhaps adding a larger cooler? It must be possible to tune these for longevity rather than just reduce the power
Is the new model 3 performance better than the old gen in every way?
90 seconds? Wow! So it’s not just the EU version that overheats?
So what has changed on the hardware?
Basically all of the suspension and brakes, as well as larger wheels and tires!
@@MountainPassPerformance sorry meant stock last gen 3 vs latest
frunk-delete radiator?! 🤔
It should be on the driver to manage the heat. It’s not unlike a boxer needing to pace himself and not unload all his energy in the first round.
It shouldn't overheat in th first place
What's the lowest reasonably possible weight and highest performance level for this drivetrain, in a bespoke Lemans prototype style car?
With a custom battery using these motors, it would likely be possible to be around the 2300-2500lb range.
Such a joke that they are giving us low power model in Canada. Fact Tesla even released Alibaba version of a "PERFORMANCE" Model is comical. People who are willing to spend money on a performance anything, definitely give a crap about every single hp. Let alone 40hp+!! Don't even bother selling it in Canada!
I'm sure there is a regulation somewhere Canada is enforcing with the teslas being sold there. Or a value in the sales figures there with their performance.
All about the money
Do you know for a fact that is what we are getting? I specifically asked tesla this they told me it’s a US model
yeah, it sucks. Plus the P model doesn't qualify for the EV tax credit. Gonna wait on my end and see hwo the China EV automakers tax review ends up - as that may be a route into a US version with the better battery. OR we will go with a plaid.
@@AvianSolutions yes, if you do some research you will see the US get the better battery to qualify for US fed credits. Canada and the rest get the China made version, with the different battery
@@PrecisionQuest I would not buy it with a Chinese battery. Ill stick with my original 2019 P that has the majority of the MPP bits.