TWIN TURBO Fiesta hits the DYNO - MAKING MORE BOOST!!!
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2021
- A huge thanks to Clarke at ignitiona Advantages for having us down for a little dyno sesh. The day was a little too hot for me and the car, but as you will see its making good power down low on the small turbo. But i need to do some experimenting with the internal waste gate and feeding the large turbo. I also need to re engineer the charge cooling system as its not pulling the air temps down. Once I have this sorted we can up the springs in the external gate and wind it up again.
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I built a zetec turbo many years ago. I used a 200k engine out of the breakers , using stock rods & ARP bolts XE Turbo pistons. Stock head valves & cams & Piper springs. Head & block was acid dipped. The head skimmed and 3 angles on all the valves , block was decked. Stock MLS head gasket and bolts. Zetec 1.8 alley inlet manifold with 4 1.6 Puma injectors in the top and 4 injector bosses welded underside with another 4 injectors so 8 in total. RS Turbo exhaust manifold re tapped to the Zetec head and the turbo was a mixture of a Cosworth & Saab. Stock Cosworth 2WD intercooler. Sparks wise i used Pectel T2 and Harvey Gibbs mapped it on his engine dyno. It made 272hp & 315ft @ 2500rpm ! at 19 psi. Gearbox wise i used a Escort RS2000 gearbox with a RS Focus AP padal clutch in the end i used a Mondeo ST220 crown wheel & a APT LSD. This was in a red mk5 escort on steels wheels it was a right sleeper and by christ did it haul so that festa must be a right hoot well done a nice package !
That’s a cool spec. Next car I build is going to be a sleeper. You just can’t beat them for street driving.
2 turbos, 2 cool channels with it, twice the fun :) Absolutely kick ass project!
Cheers 👌🏻
Great video thoroughly enjoyed it . 280 bhp in a fiesta is plenty and on a cold day Easy be 300 awesome mate. What a car I love it !!
On an American Dyno it’d be 690bhp 😬😬 sounds great ! Happy for you dude
Pmsl 🤣 this is only the beginning
You hit the nail on the head, you need a big primary wastegate so the small turbo doesn't become a restriction.
Yer this was always my concern with the set up. will need to do a little more experimenting before i get the hole saw to the turbine housing.
God I'm old,,,, i enjoy this channel because these cars was the fast fords & moded fords of my day!
But i have no idea what you young lot are talking about nowadays! All we had back then was the likes of twin webber, big bores, cherry bombs, rally giants, & pepper pots, an if you had anything with a turbo you was the dogs doodas & even that would be a factory fitted turbo lol
Haha that’s how we started out but we all wanted to go faster. I’d like to know what the car would be if I’d stuck with the xflow race engine I had.
The external gate is a must
That was awesome, glad you took us for a spin! Put a big smile on my face just watching old Ace driving it there so can’t imagine how it felt 😎
i wouldnt know what it feels like youd have to ask Ace Ventura PMSL
Even though it's not making 300hp like you wanted, it looks like a lot of fun anyways. Looks like a blast to drive.
Yer. I was a little disappointed not to crack the 300. But then you drive it and it hits warp speed pretty quick.
@@mikefpe Haha. My Mk2 makes 300hp but doesn't seem as much fun as yours. It must be really light.
Anything over about 150bhp in a mk2/2 Fiesta feels like warp speed anyway!
They are basically baked beans tins on wheels.
I've got a 1.8 na xr2 Zetec parked up.
I need to get that back on the road as it will feel like 1000bhp compared to the mk2 1.1 I've been driving for the past 3 years.
I still stand by the comment I think I had more fun in this fiesta when it was a 1 litre driving it on the limit every compared to now where it’s technically too fast for its own good on the road.
@@mikefpe
I'll be honest Mike.I can see your point with that. I've had so much fun in 1.1 Fiesta over the years. I still crave my 1.1 Festival over the 1.8 Zetec.
Love the build. I've been following this for ages.
I remember reading somewhere about compound turbos (Gale Banks maybe) that you shouldnt vent your first turbos wastegate to atmosphere. It needs to go back into the exhaust stream that your second turbo is running on. If the second turbine sees a weakened exhaust flow because say 40% of it has gone to atmosphere, then it cant multiply the boost like it should. Might explain why it was so strong then nosed over - possibly second turbo just couldnt add in at the top end because it was trying to run on less gas flow than the first turbine?
Good to see two good channels get together ❤
yer we have been growing alongside one another and its good to see another ford fiesta channel on the Tube. Plus clarkes a good mate so was enevitably going to happen at some point
That looks quality, I have a s2 rs turbo with 320hp done by Ahmed bayjoo and its great fun 😀 keep up the good work 👍
Ah s2 with a bayjoo chip. Bit of history that!
SOUNDS BLOODY AWESOME !!!
The Uber short ratios will massively help with the on the road performance, no dragging it’s bum in a 4th gear pull!
Excellent. Well done!
Thanks 🙏😊
Awesome, looks like a lot of fun !
Yer so far so good 😊
As usual... Insanity in beige 🤣 You looked buzzing, I bet the grip on the steering was tighter on the way home than on the way there 🤣
Be honest by the end of the day the heat and carbon monoxide got to me. I didnt even give it beans as i was properly fucked! LOL
@@mikefpe 🤣🤣🤣🤣 epic video as usual though mate 😍
Mike been watching this build since the start been along wait to see its power but I'm well chuffed for you it sounds savage on the road I love your description of rowdy I would say its abit more than that it's F@#kin epic
Cheers rob. Yer it’s a fun road car. This was a good start to work out issues and get the set up working properly. I’m defo going to crack 300 and I need to see the power curve carry on up at the top. Just need to spend more Money and make more parts. 🤣😂🤣
I love that Fiesta, this tremendous🤯🤯 greetings from Argentina
Well done mate, all that hard work paid off. Great result. I'll have to pop down again soon.
Yer mate. Or il head up to one of your 123 meets be great to catch up again 😀👍🏻
Bravo, jolie score au banc✌️
Great video ,that’s a sick little car love it making good power ,loving the Dino set up be a good set up once finished 👍👍👍
that goes well!! makes the best sounds to!
Yer it makes all the brap brap stututu choo choo noises
Sounds amazing 🔥💨💨💨
Genuinely the videos don’t do the noises justice.
Mike, congratulations,..awesome fiesta..Are you happy whit the results???..or you want see crazy 300hp on the screen.
Good job...you and Zak too.
Did want to crack 300. But that will have to wait until next time. For now I need to re think the charge cooler and get some bigger springs I think he waste gate. Also see what the internal gate is actually doing.
Brilliant video Mike, 100 bhp gain is good, it's the same bhp my 1.0 fez had from factory 😂, bought a new intercooler for my fez, looking to fit a 1.6 Mk7 st turbo to mine eventually 🙈
The 1.6 engine is proper. Great tuning potential will have awesome power band huge torque and still actually drive like a Bentley at the end of the day. 👌🏻DO It!
Mate it sounds amazing can’t wait to see this beast 👍
Cheers Stephen. 👍🏻
Well happy for you. Must be a great feeling being behind the wheel of a build with such high standard of fabrication that you done the majority of yourself, especially wen it ends up going like that does. 👍🏻👍🏻
Cheers dude. Yer I’m chuffed. Would have liked to crack 300. But with the temps rising so high and the need for more springs that will have to be another day. That said. I don’t think such a little car needs much more power. I’m going to get into enough trouble as is lol
@@mikefpe sorry but I don't know how ur reply relates to the question?? Am baffled lol 🤷♂️ sorry Mike love the fez bomb watch all of your video's keep up with the sick content 🙋♂️ I reckon you should have a external gate after the big turbo n weld the internal gates shut..it will boost like fookin rocket n go like shit off a chrome shovel lol
Even with all the fans noise, it sounds Amazing.
Mental car. Fantastic
P.S. It seems to have a bit of Torque-steer 😁
Thanks 😊. It’s no where near as bad torque steer compared to when I was running 9j Schmidt’s on the front. 😳😳😳
Bloody awesome mate ....well done ✅
Thanks steve. It’s a good starting point not that a little car needs much more power 😅
Awesome, looking forward to it being tweakEd up even more 👍🏻
Yer I couldn’t sleep that night as I was thinking of what needs doing and how I was going to do it. That and I didn’t want to pass out from all the carbon monoxide fumes I’d inhaled 😂😂😂
@@mikefpe 😂😂
Yeah boy!! Love you're vids. Love you're fiesta 👍
Thanks again Dan 😊👍🏻
Good result, always a plus when it finishes the day in one piece! Good advice on the bypass gate. Needs the gearing even more now. Oh and 4wd, that looks quite sketchy on WOTin 6th!
Yer there still some refinements to be done. but im really happy with this so far. gearing is going to be and issue to overcome, as for the sketchyness i think thats just all mk1 fiestas at top speed lol
She's getting fed ALL the onions.😁👏
i have more waste gate springs to add for extra onions once i have sorted to hot air take onion issues lol
I really love the look of your car, such iconic look and it sounds fantastic as well. Could you rev higher, with the engine being built, to allow the bigger Turbo to work better. I'm thinking it's not getting enough flow to get the gains of the bigger Turbo. Also could you bypass the smaller Turbo so there isn't a restriction when the big Turbo kicks off.
But in the end I also think this will be Traction limited and no matter how much power you throw at it!
i can rev it higher but as the powers dipping off at the top theres no point. i need to work out if the internal bypass is opening fully and if it is then i think i might have to rethink the waste gates on the set up. Your right though FWD cars with big power are pretty pointless unless your running drive shaft snapping front slicks. lol
When I built my 5 cyl Turbo Volvo ,the KN air-filter I had on the Turbo was robbing me of 45hp (easy) on the dyno ,went for a thin grill instead (I made with a stainless steel pasta drainer..!!)
All about race car parts from modified IKEA kitchen ware 😜👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 next time it’s on the dyno we will pop the filter off to compare
@@mikefpe yeah..let me know please..!!..
Yeah boy👍
Like a glove 🧤 😎
"Your gun is digging into my hip! " PMSL
Bloody gorgeous car, Getting a big power draw from something when at full chat, Whats the alternator running whilst on power? And also any tips for me? Have a 89' Orion that I'm planning on ZVH swapping, Race spec head, Massive cam, Big valves, Twincarbs at the moment, 145hp, But do you know much about ZVH or have many to do with it? Thanks
Need to put the meter on it and see. Zaks old zvh was an awesome engine N/A. It was really torquey down low and made for a real fun street driven car.
281hp 🤘🏼😎….how much does it weigh Mike?
I’d guess around 800. Need to get it on some scales.
@@mikefpe so around 350 bhp per ton,spritely then!!!
Bet it goes like shit off a shovel!! Insane to think that the big turbo isn't even doing anything really. Do you plan on welding the internal gate of the big turbo, and just going full external so you can get the pressures needed to get the big turbo to actually do something? I love nerdy engine builds like this, these little problems are the best things to always solve! Great video Mike!
im going to try to run the internal gate properly if i can, watching the videos back whilst editing i can see that the boost gauge on the large tubo is moving so maybe the gate is staring to open. more dyno time and experimenting is needed.
@@mikefpe i'm new here so sorry if this is a common question but,
how much money does your insurance bastards charge you to
drive that machine?
Gotta love a mk1 fiesta and that thing is f-cking awesome.!! 👍👍👍👌👌
Cheers Jason. They are funny little cars.
@@mikefpe they’re great cars. I’ve had loads of them in the past. Love old fords 👍 I’ve got a mint original series one rs turbo. Love it.
Keep the videos coming bud. Stay safe. 👍👍👍
@@Jase73 ah a proper white lightning. Good investment now. 👌🏻👍🏻
When they say they watch your channel just say are you the one that pressed dislike... lol
Stick a meter across your battery when the fuel pump is under load like that , with the headlights dipping that looks like a potential issue .
You think it could be the fuel pump on its way out?
@@mikefpe I think what he's getting at is that at full flow it's drawing a lot of amps.
@@paulzx10 so solution would be need a higher ampage output alternator 🤔
The hanging in rpm co incided with the indiactors dimming..
You have done such a good job mate looks ands sounds amazing
Yer mate of mine says the turbo chatter sounds like an imsa Audi Quattro 😆👍🏻
@@mikefpe sounded like a 5 cylinder on the dyno
@@northeastrc2725 I take that as a compliment. 5 pot turbo engines are one of the best sounding engines imo
@@mikefpe yer i totaly agree
Chikaka! Yeah boiiii!
Cheers Adam 😝👍🏻
You’ve got double the power of my car and probably half the weight, it must be rapid! Have you thought about ducts in the rear of the roof for the charge cooler rad? Plenty of surface area available there
yer i have done but i dont think i can bring myself to hack up the roof skin. i think i can fit 4 more scoops and ducts the same size as the ones i have in the windows. if thats not enough il use the back window. if that doesnt work then il get the grinder to the roof lol
I can't help thinking that a single properly sized turbo would yield better results everywhere and remove complexity.
Nail on the head!!! 👌🏻 I have the ideal turbo in my snack draw at work. Gtx28r disco potato. With a v band housing. That’s my back up option. I have these mounted and need to persevere with the set up just to know for myself what it does and doesn’t do. Plus ultimate click bait pub points saying it’s 2 turbos 😂
@@mikefpe I'm sure it's fun. Keep it coming
Hiya bud I've only recently found your channel and subscribed I've been having a watch of some of your videos and haven't seen as yet were you say what turbo your using what is it off cos it looks interesting for some projects I've got
It’s a borgwarner r2s compound turbo unit. Comes off an MAN truck. Big turbos a k27 and the small turbo is a k16 👍🏻
@@mikefpe aarh right it would be going back on a diesel with me have you got any more info on what sort of size truck and roughly an age so I can try to track some down
@@alex79buckland I’m sure it’s a 7 ltr truck. I don’t have much more information as there are a fair few variations of these units.
@@mikefpe is there a better one to keep an eye open for in the variations?
Really odd how the car sounds like a 5 pot! More on Clarke's vid than this one. Is the charge issue affecting the fueling? Anyways sweet vid, love the car, pod next yea?
I like it as an engineering exercise, but you could of done exact same power graph with a single small turbo. Td04/t25/k04 etc
That was the plan all along. But I need to get the large turbo to work properly and kick in up the top end
@@mikefpe yes, needs to run as sequential rather than compounds, you don’t need the boost. How big is the big turbo?
Mike you need my n/a in the wrong wheel drive for a day 😅
I’m buying the parts to convert this. Still in two minds if I should stay turbo or build up a snorty NA motor for it. Keep it simple
@@mikefpe a lot of works gone into that car to go back N/A. Admittedly the one I've done here with the N/A st170 does go well
@@waynewigger9904 what car have you got a rwd fiesta or another Anglia with the st170?
@@mikefpe FWD fiesta mk2 xr 2 its a mate's.
👍🏻
Nice one, Mike! Is 281 at the wheels or the crank? Cheers. Leigh.
That would be at the crank I believe
@@mikefpe NOICE!!!!
Wait a second! Is that external before both turbos? And you are running the small turbo on the internal wastegate too. Wouldn't that kill the small turbo when the external opens for the big one? I think that external placement is what makes the car not perform. Think about it you want the small turbo to be still spinning on full boost (regulated by the internal gate) when the big one reaches the point where the external opens.
Have to be honest watched Ignition advances version (almost 10 mins shorter🤪) and was left disappointed overall. Yes it did 281 but with the set up on yours was thinking 350 min, but as you explain you have things that need doing. So keep plugging away at it certainly makes my Grandfather’s bought new in 1983 1.1L MK1 STX 31Y with the economy meter lights fitted , look sedentary in comparison 😁
Yer I understand people were and have been expecting more from it. At the time I was a little gutted not to crack 300. But it’s all new to me I’m learning on the fly and I will play around with the set up to get the power curve better and the charge cooler more efficient. The guy who sold me the turbos said they should flow 420. Be great to see 350 with a liner torque line. More money to spend and parts to mate as I say it’s “sumfink a dooo!” Lol
Could design a roof intercooler like the RS200 rally cars?
I have thought about a roof scoop or scoops in the rear quarters. I’m a bit weary of cutting onto the metal tho. I think il fill up the windows with scoops before I get the can opener out on the roof skin lol
@@mikefpe could you design a air scoop by changing the rear window out? Or a full inclosed large rad
@@johnrowell942 yer was looking as the lancia s4 rear windows. They have massive scoops.
@@mikefpe You need to dig out the photoshop you did of my brothers mk1, that'll get the cooling you need!
sounds rowdy as f**k
Oh she’s got the medium spicy tune 😈
Fucking savage 😲👊
Cheers Dan 😬
And Mike I still got 2 lathes for sale
Hey Luke. I don’t have any spare money or space at the moment. 🤣
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Not gonna lie to you Mike..really low figures my guy gets more out his transit connect budget build..Zak’ good at welding thinks he knows everything maybe listen to ignition 👍🏻👍🏻
Wouldn’t say they are ‘really low figures’. I would say this is a good starting point and has loads of room for improvement. The engine is built for big power. Does the car need big power? Not really. Do I want to get a set up that’s super responsive for the road. Yes. I could go slap a big GT 30 on it and make the numbers straight away. but in turn I don’t want a laggy car to drive around. I’d rather develop this and when I get the internal gate to working I’m sure it’ll crack 300 easily.
@@mikefpe yeah very true my friend I’ve seen this car developed over the years..you’re doing great job all the best
I assure you I don't think I know everything but I know enough to not push something to the limit if the setup isn't right and the conditions are far from ideal
@@zewspeed it’s just the way you come across seems really rude and ignitions in a tiny little garage his stuff might not look Squeakyclean..but he 100% knows his shit been watching him for ages.. used to get ignition and Aaron unknown mixed up..you’re fab work n welding is out this world you’re really talented…
Would be better putting car on a Superflow Chassis Dyno.
Single roller.... Much better
Think at speed have one 🤔 I also think running the car up on a cooler day would be preferred it was ball soup that day!
@@mikefpe Northampton Motorsport have a Superflow and massive experience.
My MK1 Fiesta made 160 lb//ft torque and 200 hp with X-Flow R&D 5 speed direct top dogbox
First….
Not you again?!?!?
Your wastegate plumbing is wrong for a compound
Internal gate is simply to bypass small high pressure turbine, boost control should ALWAYS be done off the manifold on a petrol compound setup, it works far far better. The fact people don't do this is a big reason why so many get disappointing results (overall power) from their compound setups and don't realise why.
One of the most successful people we've seen with petrol powered compound setups has an Eagle Talon (2ltr 4G63 engine) and runs 7s at over 180mph, and is plumbed up the same as mine.
@@mikefpe I hope it works for you but we've done a few and gating between stages let's you get both turbos in their sweet spot easy. I think fastest 4 cylinder cars are all compound now and they all run interstage gating aswell. Richard even did a well known LS Dyno vid where he made the same mistake and couldn't get the atmosphere turbo on line hardly. I'm not knocking your work the build is beautiful but that doesn't actually work. Just trying to save you some low numbers. My bike iv been playing with a compound set up since we run high boost numbers and it works great interstaging but the gate from the primary turbo has to be big enough so it can bypass enough drive energy to the atmospheric turbo. internal gates are rarely up to it. Best of luck with the build iv been watching for years and just caught it now.
Just had a thought when we went compound on my bike we monitored compressor speed at first and with both turbos doing what would be 15psi alone. we had 45psi manifold with 30psi back pressure. Our iat never climbed above 270°f, single turbo we had 380-400°f with 43psi back pressure and the same boost and the compounds don't eat bearings every season since their not doing 200krpm.
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Braaap stutututu!!!
I can't believe you eat that shit I wouldn't feed that to my dog Mike
Pmsl I did start to regret it when my belly was rumbling and realised there was no toilet on the farm 🙃😂😂😂
@@mikefpe proper tramps food 😂
Yes very lively for a bean can of a car but so much work and effort for less power than a unbuilt modestly modified focus RS engine 🤦🏻♂️. Just seems the long way around for mediocre results.
If you’ve seen my other builds with the super chargers you will know that I love to over complicate things. This is by no means top power. More an initial power figure that’s uncovered some issues. Once I have sorted the charge cooling, and the internal waste gate flowing to the big turbo then il put bigger spring in the waste gate and we can turn it all up.