What Did KFM Get Wrong? And Is It
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2023
- David and Edwin discuss their experiences with the old Keysi Fighting Method as well as with Defence Lab and Keysi Fighting Method under Justo. Edwin got his brown belt in KFM before they split, and David has since gotten his black belt in Defence Lab.
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Lycan is a philosophy for life every bit as much as it is a place to train self defense.
David has spent more than 30 years in and around the martial arts industry. Starting with more traditional martial arts such as Tae Kwon Do, Goju-ryu karate and classical (Japanese) Jiu Jitsu, David has since expanded into various other systems along the way. He has trained extensively in Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do, Israeli Krav Maga, various systems of Filipino Martial Arts such as Kali, old Keysi Fighting Method, and Defence Lab fight science.
David has also spent a considerable amount of time in teaching several of these systems. It is his belief that we all have the potential to not only have the means and skill to defend ourselves in dire circumstances, but that we should also use our training as a channel to better improve our everyday lives. David considers himself a lifetime student, and while he may be teaching, he is always learning and trying to improve.
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The purpose of fighting styles is to use the things that help your game, and disregard what does not, but the fact that you have to be like water.
Couldn't agree more!
I am an MMA and boxing practitioner and everytime i sparred multiple opponents just for fun and self defense ai actually used some concepts of Keysi a modified version of the pensador and some hammerfists to hit the guys that come from the sides when i fail, to circle out i use the pensador guard, and hammer fista in an agressive way and it really works wel, but not using only keysi when i spar multiple opponents, keysi is a transitional thing for me when fighting multiple opponents not my go to, but it works
There were things you didn't research long before 2005. Mils, I'll tell you
I imagine you're right, though the bulk of this video comes from the first-hand experience.
@@lycandefensive no imagination necessary just research
You mentioned old Keysi fighting method several times, is there a deference in what they are doing now?
There is. The newer branch of Keysi is a bit more simplified overall. And I don't mean simple in a negative connotation. You get really good at what you're doing because the basics are always there.
Defence Lab went into the opposite direction, where it's focus is testing and training every aspect and energy of everything they do. They give you a basic set curriculum which is based on a 4 year progression to black, but they also have a ton of training material that takes you a bit out of the box.
@@lycandefensive Thanks for the response I've been training DL for 5 years now, I was curious about the early Keysi days that you spoke of, great video.
You are very welcome. I can't say enough about DL and my time spent in there. I learned a lot within the system and even more about myself that I apply to what I train and teach now. And I can say the same about Keysi and old KFM.
I can get what is being said about the Keysi Fighting Method, but the thing I found awkward about it was that the strikes were not as powerful than if they were delivered from different positions. I can get the rational of the style but I would rather train to give more powerful strikes.
Are KFM and Defence Lab moves more Gross Motor movement type or Fine Motor mevement type ???
A majority of the movements are gross motor. There are some fine motor techniques, but there aren't a whole lot. They're fun to train for sure, but the emphasis of both systems is on shielding and smashing. They deliver this emphasis very well, I'm my humble opinion.
@@lycandefensive is shielding and smashing going to work well against untrained heavier opponents ?
@BogalaSawundiris I would say that it definitely depends on the situation as nothing works all of the time every time. However, when executed properly it can not only give you space but also cause a lot of pain to the opponent.
@@lycandefensive thanks, by the way it would be nice to see some security cam or phone footage of people defending themselves or even bouncers handling people using these techniques , are there any ?
To improve your speaking skills it's important to cull unecessary pauses like Um and Uh.
I had to train myself to cull those from my speech when I entered the military to be a mire efficient speaker and teacher.
I am definitely a work in progress. 1% better every time, right?
I was thinking keysi mixed with peak-a-boo boxing method would work together well.🤔
I think you're on to something.
chek out the old Crazy Monkey Defense videos(there is very little videos on YT) they do some peek a boo boxing with very similar stance
KFM looks like a mixture of Silat and Kali
The influence is definitely there. Both Andy and Justo have extensive backgrounds in various arts. That being said, KFM is their unique expression of what they found to work in certain situations.
Andy and Justo trained with Steven Benitez back in the day. You can see the Silat influence in the level changes.
Show ONE video of sparring
I say the same thing about BJJ
Show me one video of BJJ dealing with multiple opponents.
Been asking that since before the first UFC when BJJ was doing rape prevention seminars.
@@tonytomahawk5160 what? There are plenty of real world examples of BJJ. You can pressure test something without it being realistic. Use your head. If you think this stuff works, good for you. I'm telling you now, if you come across a trained fighter (boxer, MMA, BJJ, Muay Thai, Kickboxer etc) you'll get your ass handed to you.
@@frosty_soda
40+ years.
Before UFC BJJ was doing seminars for rape prevention in a pitiful effort to gain credibility.
I too was doing seminars and BJJ didn't hand me my ass then or any other time going forward.
When UFC first started legions of fighters in traditional martial arts ran to MMA gyms to not have to hold back as much.
All had tactics to deal with a simple double leg.
Oops MMA came up with rules that prohibited over half of what those folks could do.
No small joint manipulation
No strikes towards the neck region and no we're not talking the throat.
A few more specifically to keep traditional martial arts out and push the narrative you're gullible enough to be believing. That sports combat is better than actual combat.
That traditional martial arts were inferior.
There were gullible people like you around back then.
Claiming boxing could beat kickboxing and wrestling.
Just fools who know nothing yet talk down to those with actual experiences.
Lol BJJ?
You mean the stuff rejected as useless crap by the Brazilian military because ya know real combat?
GTFOH they were rejected for a military grade Capoeira.
Why would a Shuai Jiao guy proficient in throws small joint manipulation and dislocation give a damn about BJJ?
Even if I wasn't ambidextrous you're a collosal fool
You see THAT argument right there. Everyone runs to "oh go against someone who knows this, someone who knows that", do you know the odds of running into a trained fighter in the wild? YES I understand that over the years Martial Arts have become more popular and more people are training it, but the chances of you running into someone who know what they are doing is low. Keysi is made for SELF DEFENSE, in a self defense scenario, you dont try to fight someone, you try your hardest to get out of the situation and get away. YES if you buck up to a trained fighter with keysi and act cocky you more thank likely will lose, but if you try and walk away and make it seem like you know nothing and are a coward, you have the element of surprise when they throw a punch at you and they catch their knuckles on your elbows, or if they grab you to intimidate you and your elbow meets their chest, shoulder, or face. In kickboxing class, I surprised alot of people by blocking with the pensador then exploding forward with an elbow (not hitting them, just showing what I could do) and they were frozen because they weren't used to it and it caught them off guard. And btw BBJ is a great SPORT and great for 1 on 1 altercations. Go try to arm bar someone or choke them out with their friends there and see how quick you get kicked in the head or stabbed. @@frosty_soda
Show me one video of tactical shooting sparring. Another sport ignoramus
KFM is fighting and fighting is not self defense. Check out Vee Jitsu by Professor David in NY
I both agree and disagree. Fighting for the sake of is NOT self defense, you are correct. But some people forget that, in the midst of defending yourself, you might have to fight to get to safety. So it's good to have a skill set to call upon.