7:00 I made the Nexus to allow the stalkers to kill as many marines as they could. The Nexus causes a attack issue to the units not in range of my stalkers. The big daddy tank came and party was over.
I always wonder why i don't see pylon on opponent base locations to block them. Later in the game the army kills it quickly but earlier in the game you have to pull workers to get rid of it and loose mining time.
Sun Tzu says "If the enemy is choleric of temper, seek to irritate him" Also " Hold out baits to entice the enemy, feign disorder, then crush him!" You're a true scholar sir.
@@karyjas1 Because it is fun to watch and you actually need to put in effort and creativity to create these strategies? why are you hating? Is not like he is using hacks to win or anything
@@1tan269 I guess that when i tried to play this game i only got cheesed and this looks like an extremely cheesy strategy. The thing that i like here is the macro part and the non cheesy strategies and mind games. That is why i hated this.
This is really a 500IQ play. He knew he took a lot of loss with proxy nexus and knowing that the counter attack will likely kill him, he expanded on the top left to prepare for the base trade scenario. He purposefully left the probe on the map to scout when the terran army is moving out, left pylon on third to know if terran is going into macro game, and all this was thought-out. It's amazing and fucking disgusting and this is the sort of sin only the pope can forgive.
The most genius move here was that he was planning to sacrifice his main right from the very beginning. He knew that the Terran would move out eventually and then he would just counter attack and cripple his opponent. Brilliant!!
This was so fun to watch! When I saw that pylon at the expansion, I laughed XD I just imagined the Terran going "Thank GOD that's over..." *Floats base to expansion* "WTF?! Come on!!!" XD
I like watching these wild strategies because it makes you consider the most basic principles of the game. For example, basic scouting and better macro would have saved the terran player.
This would probably not work in silver league, though. We silver league terrans are so used to cannon rushes and cheesy protoss that we close our main before a probe can even reach and go into it, xD.
The hero that pioneered the Probius rush and the aggressive recall strat does it again. If I were you, I would go back and watch Winter take lessons from Florencio's science school, just so you can lear how to actually play protoss.
You're talking about how the Protoss lost more but you aren't accounting for mining and production time lost, which skews it heavily into the Protoss' favour surely?
I had the same thought. In addition, Florencio had a 10+ worker advantage for a good chunk of that cheese. By the time the cheese was cleaned up, he was still easily ahead in economy. It might not have traded well in value lost vs value killed, but a lot of what was killed were 50 mineral SCVs that were never going to mine again.
After a cheese like this, I think in addition to the units lost tab, also look at the income advantage tab. Since toss had an expansion, even though they lost 500 more resources, they had probably mined >500 more resources, making it a net win. And yes, this game was awesome, more please!
This was fun to watch... but if you know what recall does, then a bunker would have been great. I think it would have shut it down. Either way i love Pro Cheese.
i was in work when i see this pop up proxy nexus cheese. I had to stop work just to check this out my boss is not happy with me but it was well worth it lol
I've seen a Chinese streamer using a similar strategy before, and he named this “共同富裕”, which is “mine your opponent's mine”. He builds only zealots and later recalls mosts of the probes and all the zealots to shut down the opponent's economy. Quite insane as well :D
The pylon paid for itself almost immediately, because the whole gosh darned army came out. Then it just sat there and saw two stalkers. The army was now not in place to defend against oracles in his main... So this could work out REALLY WELL if there was only one stargate and a oracle for example. You can see the mine with the stalkers, he has his stuff away from where you'd send your oracle... It's just an observation but that was my immediate idea of why that was done. Then Florencio decided to go for void rays, and that seemed to work better than it had any right to.
Im curious how many minerals were lost in mining time there, as those SCVs spent a very long time not mining and he lost a lot of them. By the time the shield batteries died, I wonder how many hundreds of minerals Red mined more than Blue.
I saw Beastyqt do this earlier a few times. if I remember correctly once he made all in and recalled zealots and probes, he didn't have to spend resources to build cyber core, assimilator and extra drones so he had 6 zealots when the nexus was finished.
Terran was trying to find the ninja base by using the multiple scans and didn't find anything. Maybe if he watches the replay, he will facepalming very hard.
I was just watching Florencio deal with a bunker near the Nexus with double gateway in the enemy's natural baiting out the marines to deal with it then recalling in six zealots.
i feel like a great follow up to this would have been to produce an extra probe with the proxy nexus and start cannon rushing the base. there was a point where protoss was floating 1k minerals, and wasnt really producing any units, and focusing on controlling the adpets and stalkers in the enemy base. if batteries and cannons were being produced in the base while he was controlling his units it would have been a gg way faster.
That is a different follow up. As well you recall one probe with adepts make pylons and battery shields make more stalkers so recall in when cool down finishes.
Once watched a Halo wars video called cutter tank rush. Thought it was okay till I learned how RTS actually works from watching you and a few others, now I think the guy is incompetent. So I attempted my own tank rush, and it only took me 3:10 compared to his 11:45. I'm curious if you might attempt to play it and review it. How could it be improved upon? Seeing as how you play and cast alot of RTS, I thought it might be interesting to hear your thoughts on what makes a good RTS vs a great one.
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7:00 I made the Nexus to allow the stalkers to kill as many marines as they could. The Nexus causes a attack issue to the units not in range of my stalkers. The big daddy tank came and party was over.
salty Protoss is that You ?
love the tactics
brings FUN to the game
@@andyspark5192 glad you enjoy the play style.
I always wonder why i don't see pylon on opponent base locations to block them. Later in the game the army kills it quickly but earlier in the game you have to pull workers to get rid of it and loose mining time.
Sun Tzu says "If the enemy is choleric of temper, seek to irritate him" Also " Hold out baits to entice the enemy, feign disorder, then crush him!"
You're a true scholar sir.
Can you also upload this game in your youtube channel? so we can understand as to why you did everything in it
Florencio has made it to GM on the korean server, so yes, it definitly can and will work in masters
This is such a disgusting strategy...I absolutely love it.
and i absolutely hate it. It is the reason why i only watch this game. But then again what is to love about this?
@@karyjas1 Because it is fun to watch and you actually need to put in effort and creativity to create these strategies? why are you hating? Is not like he is using hacks to win or anything
@@1tan269 I guess that when i tried to play this game i only got cheesed and this looks like an extremely cheesy strategy. The thing that i like here is the macro part and the non cheesy strategies and mind games. That is why i hated this.
@@karyjas1 But cheese is the mind game. Deflect the cheese and macro is a perfectly valid strategy to this stuff.
CHEESE!
CHEESE FOR ALL!
This is the Protoss version of Nydus worm play.
The 400 mineral nydus that you have to actually use a worker, not just vision, to build, yep, lol
@@ryanaegis3544 But you could create one the first chance you have 400 minerals. Nydus requires lair
Protoss only want one thing, and it's disgusting.
Meanwhile in the mind of every protoss
CHEESE CHEESE FOR ALL!
Gaytoss is disgustingly imbo OP
@@alexl5682 if any race is op its zerg toss can't win without cheese
@@eiplays2768 Whats cheese in this game?
People calling toss op lmfao
Yes, more Florencio!
Definitely
More salty cheese please
This is really a 500IQ play. He knew he took a lot of loss with proxy nexus and knowing that the counter attack will likely kill him, he expanded on the top left to prepare for the base trade scenario. He purposefully left the probe on the map to scout when the terran army is moving out, left pylon on third to know if terran is going into macro game, and all this was thought-out. It's amazing and fucking disgusting and this is the sort of sin only the pope can forgive.
more florencio games? yes please
SaltMiner is a perfect name for the cheese 😂
Lowko: This strategies are not gonna be viable at the pro level
sOs: Hold my GSL match vs Bunny
The most genius move here was that he was planning to sacrifice his main right from the very beginning. He knew that the Terran would move out eventually and then he would just counter attack and cripple his opponent. Brilliant!!
Yup, that was the checkmate plan all along.
Yea. Probe recall is a legit florencio strategy.
So glad you cast Florencio! It is so fun to watch
Tip about casting Florencio - his natural is not next to his main base, no matter the map.
His natural is in the corner.
"Sewer mermaid" I legit laughed out loud.
It's actually a great nickname lol funny as hell.
Finally, another caster's eyes have been opened to the glory that is Florencio and the teachings of his Academy.
I really like that name ! "Salt Miner" . PERFECT
This was so fun to watch! When I saw that pylon at the expansion, I laughed XD I just imagined the Terran going "Thank GOD that's over..." *Floats base to expansion* "WTF?! Come on!!!" XD
XD I play Terran & you just read my mind in game. XD
I watched many of your SC2 videos, great work Lowko
That was a fantastically creative strategy
I like watching these wild strategies because it makes you consider the most basic principles of the game. For example, basic scouting and better macro would have saved the terran player.
This was awesome! The whole cannon rush cheese was beginning to gather mold.
lol this hyped me up Lowko, Sewermermaid harvesting tears from his enemy, i love it!
“1:29 Why do they call him the sewer mermaid? 3:30 .......oh, that’s why......”
Please more Florencio. I love him so much 😂
This would probably not work in silver league, though. We silver league terrans are so used to cannon rushes and cheesy protoss that we close our main before a probe can even reach and go into it, xD.
This was beautiful. Quite frankly Florencio is a troll savant. An absolute classic.
The hero that pioneered the Probius rush and the aggressive recall strat does it again.
If I were you, I would go back and watch Winter take lessons from Florencio's science school, just so you can lear how to actually play protoss.
You're talking about how the Protoss lost more but you aren't accounting for mining and production time lost, which skews it heavily into the Protoss' favour surely?
I had the same thought. In addition, Florencio had a 10+ worker advantage for a good chunk of that cheese. By the time the cheese was cleaned up, he was still easily ahead in economy. It might not have traded well in value lost vs value killed, but a lot of what was killed were 50 mineral SCVs that were never going to mine again.
Exactly.. Massive mining time lost by terran
I'd like to see someone factor in the production loss as well.
He didn`t notice that
Yes Mr Lowko! Keep casting these games!!!
To cast Florencio never hurts!
Oh my god.. we need to see more vids like this. This was so different it was genuinely wonderful to watch! Post more salt miner!!
The opponent is already broken, that is why he messed up on killing the void rays.
GG Flo
Lowko casting sewer mermiad....doesn’t get much better than that 👌🏻
After a cheese like this, I think in addition to the units lost tab, also look at the income advantage tab. Since toss had an expansion, even though they lost 500 more resources, they had probably mined >500 more resources, making it a net win.
And yes, this game was awesome, more please!
If this really is Florencio, how come he researched warp gate????
Ô_o Hmmm?????
because we were going templars :P
I guess only the high templars get the top treatment in the army, like a private warp prism. They have to arrive in style.
@@Florenciosc2 I've seen you queue HTs in regular gateways, you've changed man.
@@leonardouliano4896 Hey cheesers adapt too
One of the most well played games I've ever seen! That was tactical insanity
If the proposed balance changes take affect, this build will be even stronger!
That Terran scanning the whole map looking for the remaining bases in the end... Oh god, that made my friggin day... ROFL!
Yes! Moar Florencio!
As a side note, the Nexus rush was invented by Flo himself.
Not the Nexus rush itself, but the use of a low ground Nexus recall to bring units to the high ground behind the opponent's wall.
@@musashigundoh I have created Nexus rushes since Heart of the Swarm unlike other players but you wouldn't see those unless you watched my games.
FLORENCIO!!!! The Sewer Mermaid!
that was highly entertaining and i want to see more. just dont let it become FlorencioTV
i can feel the confusion and anger from the terran. i love it
People asked for a insight to my build here. ruclips.net/video/8hIS1I1F3XQ/видео.html
Lowko when you calculate the cost/efficiency value of this built you forget the lost SUVs and mining time. Quite a good built!
Hearing lowko calling Florencio Saltminer felt weird. But I very much enjoyed this cast.
That is so dirty. Absolutely filthy strategy. As a terran player I hate it but I can't help but respect the level of creativity
Please cast more Florencio!
That was absolutely awesome!
4:18 well technically, Lowko... it’s a TWO base push.
Finally I get to see this hecking build done right, I am a disgusting Protoss and Proud member of Florencio's School of Science lol
9:48 Lowko.exe has stopped working
The Mozart of Sc2. :)
Me on the thumbnail: *sigh* damnit has.
Me when the video starts: Nani...?
Me when I find out who: Ohh... Florencio... of course.
This was fun to watch... but if you know what recall does, then a bunker would have been great. I think it would have shut it down. Either way i love Pro Cheese.
Yes! Now the sewere marmaid found a way even to this channel! Proxy nexus hat for the win!
*a Diamond League with a pinch of Salt*
I love it !
i was in work when i see this pop up proxy nexus cheese. I had to stop work just to check this out my boss is not happy with me but it was well worth it lol
Florencio is a legend
This was brutal
The Sewer Mermaid is a really accurate name.
I've seen a Chinese streamer using a similar strategy before, and he named this “共同富裕”, which is “mine your opponent's mine”. He builds only zealots and later recalls mosts of the probes and all the zealots to shut down the opponent's economy. Quite insane as well :D
He watches the Florencio files
Lowko you should play some games with Florencio
It’s quite the strategy i should try it once I get Sc2 again
wow flo actually got warpgate this game thats rare
Flovember-XIX, oh those days…
And yes - HELL-LOW, EFF-FREE-VON! ♥
the resources were heavily in favor of the Protoss if you consider the collection rate/total collected resources...
The answer is yes! More of this madness :-D
Lowko saying the zealots became speedy Bois but he forgot about the speedy voids
I love the sewer mermaid nickname. Too bad they missed THE CHEESE MONGER!!!!
He used to recall Zealots. Adepts is something new.
That was great.
More Sewer Mermaid please.
I like these Viewer Submitted games way more than the Pro Games.
I built a catapult. Enemy: we surrender... me: Nah, I'm trying out this thing. YEET!
The pylon paid for itself almost immediately, because the whole gosh darned army came out. Then it just sat there and saw two stalkers. The army was now not in place to defend against oracles in his main... So this could work out REALLY WELL if there was only one stargate and a oracle for example. You can see the mine with the stalkers, he has his stuff away from where you'd send your oracle...
It's just an observation but that was my immediate idea of why that was done. Then Florencio decided to go for void rays, and that seemed to work better than it had any right to.
More florencio!!!
lowko holy crap mensk is in coop now
as a comander!
Im curious how many minerals were lost in mining time there, as those SCVs spent a very long time not mining and he lost a lot of them. By the time the shield batteries died, I wonder how many hundreds of minerals Red mined more than Blue.
FLORENCIO figured out a way to bm the opponent without ever talking to them. :D :D :D
LOWKO. can you please cast some more veiwer submitted games please?
I saw Beastyqt do this earlier a few times. if I remember correctly once he made all in and recalled zealots and probes, he didn't have to spend resources to build cyber core, assimilator and extra drones so he had 6 zealots when the nexus was finished.
Beastyqt learned the build from me. That 6 zealot build was my old build.
Awesome game
Shield Battery are MVP
Follow up with a void ray with those shield batteries would've ended it
you! yeah you.
wash your hands, this is gonna be dirty
Terran was trying to find the ninja base by using the multiple scans and didn't find anything. Maybe if he watches the replay, he will facepalming very hard.
13:39
Yep. A bunker near this Nexus would end this game very differently.
I was just watching Florencio deal with a bunker near the Nexus with double gateway in the enemy's natural baiting out the marines to deal with it then recalling in six zealots.
@@zotaninoron3548 *in DT's voice* Clever.
IT'S BACK THE HELLO EVERYONE MY NAME IS LOCO
Flo needs his fix of recalls, we need our fix of flo games :)
i feel like a great follow up to this would have been to produce an extra probe with the proxy nexus and start cannon rushing the base. there was a point where protoss was floating 1k minerals, and wasnt really producing any units, and focusing on controlling the adpets and stalkers in the enemy base. if batteries and cannons were being produced in the base while he was controlling his units it would have been a gg way faster.
That is a different follow up. As well you recall one probe with adepts make pylons and battery shields make more stalkers so recall in when cool down finishes.
FLORENCIOOOOOO!
some protos camembert
the chees is strong in you young padawan!
That was just plain evil....
*writes this in her notes for later*
Protoss + Cheese = Cheetoss
12:31 last.exe has stopped working.
You are missing one thing when looking at the lost units screen. thats 20! SCVs! In the early game. That will set his economy SOOOOO far behind.
Silly Lowko, the nexus recall is called Strategic recall
Love the thimbnail, one helpless marine trying to shut down a nexus. Know the feeling there.
How should I have my control groups with infestor roach ravager?
Do I need to keep infestor and ravager in different groups?
Once watched a Halo wars video called cutter tank rush. Thought it was okay till I learned how RTS actually works from watching you and a few others, now I think the guy is incompetent. So I attempted my own tank rush, and it only took me 3:10 compared to his 11:45. I'm curious if you might attempt to play it and review it. How could it be improved upon? Seeing as how you play and cast alot of RTS, I thought it might be interesting to hear your thoughts on what makes a good RTS vs a great one.