Tactical Shooter Devs Keep Making the Wrong Game
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Tactical shooter developers , especially in a world where unreal engine 5 has never been more accessible, seem to consistantly waste their time on this one mechanic at the expense of everything else that actually matters.
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0:00 - The Intro
5:02 - The Gameplay 
Игры
These are basically glorified versions of those old iPod touch apps where you could choose a gun and make it shoot.
those were the days lmao
Holy shit, I'm reminiscing so bad right now
man those apps were the shit.
the good ol days
Honestly idk whether or not I should be ashamed or not of spending money on some of them lolll, I unlocked a lot over the years from just getting the 10 coin a day for entering tho.
Onion farmer goes to restaurants, is unhappy with the quality of the onions. Starts his own restaurant with the focus on "this is how you cook onions", not realizing that onions are at most a smaller part of a bigger dish
Holy shit. Real
good analogy
This is actually an amazing way to put it.
Onion soup
Onion rings
Boiled onion
the disrespect to onions is unreal...
This is something I've been saying and complaining about for years. A lot of tac shooters over the last decade have been nothing but gear and gun simulators... but forget that they are VIDEO GAMES. I grew up on Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, and SOCOM, and these are the games that started it all... however... these games actually had full campaigns with 10-20 different missions/maps, squad management mechanics, and so on, but the gameplay was first and foremost. Stuff like customization was there, but it wasn't as in-depth and didn't NEED to be. Now we have the opposite. Games that go crazy into the customization but are hollow shells of a game. No campaigns, small handful of poorly designed levels, terrible AI, etc.
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This is why no matter how many they are in the market right now, I keep playing Wildlands over and over, the game just makes more sense than the market itself.
I wish for more games like classic R6 or at least R6 Vegas. That game is so gooood.
Spot on. SOCOM 2 was so much more engaging than any of this crap out there now.
@@ILruffian And SOCOM 2 was even better than SOCOM 3 thanks to the AI and level design itself, y'know the stuff that keeps people playing. My last hope for modern tac-team-based-shooter would be GR Over... if they can manage that, call me crazy.
So this is why Mil-Sim fans were relating to my frustrations about racing games; this video's opening punched me in the face with Déjà vu.
Pretty much. "Same shit. Different game."
POV: 2020s Racing simulators, Flight simulators and Tactical-shooter:
- 90% super duper realism (physics and graphics)
- 5% shitty AI
- 5% an actual career mode / solo campaign
+500 cars, only 15 Championships with 8 valid cars each. I'm looking at you forza motorsport and the awful car-pg mechanic
Forget the 5% career mode on most flight sims. There is one modern flight sim with any sort of single player content I know of
Mechsim fans waiting for a good game in the 21st century: 💀
>murders someone in cold blood on a military base<
"Keep this up and you'll get a court martial!" lol
I dont feel like saying Arma Reforger "kind of" has this problem is a bit incorrect. Reforger IS a tech demo. The purpose of it, as blatantly stated by the developers early on, was never to release the next full Arma title. It was to work with the new Enfusion engine and work out the kinks on the way to using it for a proper Arma title.
That's true, people keep forgetting that they've literally told us that Reforger is mainly just a tech demo to show what the Enfusion Engine can do. And its probably the single best out of all these "tech demos" tbh
@@FusionTrain Arma reforged is hella fun tho.
@@rickfastly2671 indeed it is and im even making my own map for Reforger, having hella fun on DarkGru's Eastern European Conflict on Serhiivka
Thank you! I coulnt agree more. I think bohemia interactive could have done a bit better with how they marketed because I seems a lot of people don't really understand what reforger is about even though its literally in the name.
@@samuelfrancis9143i mean marketing is irrelevant when the servers didn't work properly for months since release
"Early access", small dev team without any prior games made, "realistic" graphics, huge promises, when will people learn?
It's the exact same problem with "open-world zombie survival" games. Devs keep promising these things, and players keep believing them.
I feel like some kind of cultural study could be made of this behaviour. Something about that fantasy is clearly appealling to a lot of people, despite how vague it is.
Yeah, and the sad thing is that even if they work hard as fuck they can still only do so much in so much time. Tactical games require a ton of features and mechanics that all need to work perfectly as well as the dilemma of AI that is somehow realistic and fun to play against. It would take a AAA game studio a decade to make something like this well yet people think a slightly motivated indie team is going to pull it off in a timely manner.
@@greiratOS "Timely manner" wont happen. Either the game gets canned or is stuck in eternal early access limbo without much happening.
fr like why do people even buy games like this, just wait till it's out and then make a choise on buying, not before,
Never heard of Kingdom Come Deliverance? They started with 11 people.
What we really need is Firearm Customization Simulator where NPCs throw horribly cursed guns at you and make demands you have to fufil by customizing their guns. Or the reverse, they give you a normal gun but want it to do really dumb things and you have to make it happen for them to give you score.
Bonus points if they then go out into a "mission" vs other NPCs and basically die or not essentially randomly regardless of how good the gun was, or how well you satisfied their inane demands.
Sounds like a fun VR game or something I guesses but not a tactical shooter
sounds like Tarkov's gunsmith quest line
i dont see the point with cursed guns especially ones that use attachment for one but how about stamp metal sheet guns because those seems like alot cheaper and customizable, no wonder why cartels made it
@@rookiegameplay7519 It's what the people making and playing these games seem to actually want, since they clearly don't give a shit about making or playing a functional shooter.
@@tbotalpha8133 Huh
I love how this violates the Steam Early Access publishing Rules: "Don't launch in Early Access without a playable game. If you have a tech demo, but not much gameplay yet, then it’s probably too early to launch in Early Access."
unfortunately Valve has very little interest in moderating Steam or Early Access
@@plushie946Valve don't really need to, just don't be dumb and buy a tech demo.
@@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375 Children don't have the experience to always make informed judgement calls on things like that, and they can get repeatedly screwed over by a predatory market before they learn how to spot a "game" of empty promises
Honestly this at least half the fault of "gamers" who fall for every trailer where the graphics just look half decent and have no idea that graphics are the easiest part of the game.
It's the fault of gamers that developers deceive them with nice trailers?
@@aallfik11 Yea some people will literally hipe stuff up and defend it like they made it only having seen a trailer. The same people will then likely go and malign the people who want their game fixed after the devs release a burning trash fire.
As a game dev I cam confirm, that good graphics are easy nowadays
@@aallfik11 By this point consumers should absolutely be aware that gaming is full of essentially scams all the way from Indie to AAA. If you let yourself get fooled by the curated trailers, yeah, that's on you now.
Young males not understanding what they are buying is normal. Nothing will change this unless the kids have parents educating them about this.
I am a solo Unity developer now, and I have to tell you, seeing the "man behind the curtain" hasn't been fun. Why are these games probably good "on the surface?" .. Well, you can buy 3D models. You can buy tons of player and weapon animations. You can buy assets built by people better educated than you that will establish amazing lighting in your worlds under all conditions, and simulate the weather. Some of the things mentioned in this video about painstaking weapon and bullet physics detail (I don't mean this rudely) are actually not hard to do. Amid the swirl of razzle-dazzle going on in the game, they probably look better than they really are if you can't see the code and test the consistency of them and whether they make sense.
You want to know what's hard to do? Making complex, intelligent, responsive AI that then LIVES in the world you built (bought), behaves convincingly, aims and senses players logically and fairly. While you can buy some of that stuff, you mostly need an actual math and computer science background, and some education. That's probably why all these games fall apart when you stare at them too hard, and have enemies that alternate between non responsive and snapshot aimbot god. It's also probably why a lot of these "developers" have bad attitudes and are hostile when they come under any scrutiny. They're probably a bit disingenuous as people, know they can cash in if they pay up front to create these worlds, then tick a few boxes. They know they're incompetent, and they don't like that you know.
weapon and bullet physics can also be purchased off the shelf too. I wouldn't think most meant to be disingenuous, at least at the start, but yeah, these games can do the stuff that is available off the shelf or easily looked up really well, its the parts that you can't, like turning those assets into a fun game, that they fail at.
@@benjaminrabbit659 Yes, you're right. Agreed. I don't like to ascribe too many malicious motives to developers, because I think it's a big problem the gaming "community" has. I am a bit fatigued though by seeing players ask for X bug/feature to be fixed by many developers for long periods of time, while they go radio silent on all these requests, yet release cosmetics and other poo poo. :D I can only conclude they don't know how to fix the stuff. Anyway though, yes you're correct.
Omg yes thank you, I've been thinking that. It's really not that hard to get games to this "standard" if you wanna even use that word, but actually FINISHING the game or making it be a GAME is entirely different.
Also yes the gaming community is incredibly out of touch with how the industry functions and what actually goes into a game, every time I hear someone say "the devs are just lazy" I die a little inside
What kind of math are you referring to?
Because computer science people aren't making video games and getting paid more to work in real business
'realistic tactical shooter' usually nowadays just means 'you walk at snails pace, can sprint for exactly 5 meters and put 20 different attachements on your gun while shooting rubber men with no AI or aimbot'. It's fucking boring is what it is because gameplay doesn't work around those limitations so you just feel like an asthmatic gun enthusiast.
The ability to sprint in these games is obviously based on the developers and not soldiers
@@antonhelsgaunWalking as a real soldier would also be boring, the mission would get slower as time goes on, because the soldier is getting tired.
All of these "games" have the exact same mission blueprints which are just spawn in with a bunch of bots and hunt them down until the last one.
The levels are statics and the bots roam around without any purpose. they don't design any scripted events that can create tension and excitements. The missions usually have an anti climatic ending after you spend 10 minutes looking for the last bot you didn't kill.
Even ready or not suffer from this. They just have a more polished and aesthetic framework but the missions themselves are basically the same.
There are no events like in the trailer 3:36. Those things can't happen in a non scripted game.
Scripted events are cool, but not when they are just lazily implemented pre-scripted animation sequences. I'd prefer to see more of a half-life game design approach with most of these games, having triggers that trigger certain events, e.g. walking near a rathole triggers a sequence where you see rats flooding out of it, and having character voice lines alongside that. This specific example would work well in a game like Ready or Not, where the developers describe the world as being corrupt and dirty.
Ready or Not isn't finished yet. (Ask the devs, 1.0 is basically just a stepping stone, a lot of content'll be out with Home Invasion in Spring and REDACTED later this summer.)
Ready or Not's suspects also have routines, like smoking, or checking specific rooms. There's a vast difference between this dumpster-fire trash and RoN.
@@Chonkems 1.0 is finished in my book. If they want to make it better it is awesome but the game is out and it is up for reviews and criticism.
Ofc the AI is much more advanced
But the gameplay loop still suffers from the same problems I mentioned.
It is still a fun game but it could be much better
@@Chonkems That's what Ready or Not needed transcend from a bot sandbox to a full fledged game, AI Bot smoke breaks. Ready or not is a boring game with little actual game mechanics. It's the most polished of the types of games Slorgs is talking about.
@@ImperiumLibertas Ready or Not has actual work put into it, both in realizing its world, and keeping gameplay enjoyable. How about you don't be a dick all the time?
Which is why Red Orchestra series pretty much are the peak of tactical shooters. Most of these games not only lack substance but a real setting I am tired of giga operator games doing nothing. If you don't want to make historical games because they are "lame", write a narrative for a fictional conventional conflict between 2 equal powers or stuff like ace combat.
Fuckin Ace Combat.. another game that once was amazing gameplay that is now trash.. Skies on Liberation I think was my peak play time, then zero hours beyond that. It stopped being a good play cycle and started playing like an anime movie.
@@EXDna its not THAT bad
arma 3 campaign got me like
@@EXDna did you expect realism from the game where you have 500 missiles on a light fighter
@@EXDna It still has great gameplay XD, what are you on about
Kinda ironic that you brought up Ready or Not during your exploration of the hub world, cause i think RoN's police station has the exact same problems; it's way bigger than it needs to be, while having next no meaningful interactivity.
At least RoN has content lol, his point is still valid
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@@pulse3732it’s very one dimensional though. Ai still broken.
RoN and Ground Branch were the nail in the coffin of my pre-release support.
They’re not fun games. A different sucker can support pre-release moving forward. I’ve learned my lesson
I think RON police station is big but has things to do and see, maybe it could be smaller but why? There are interesting things you can see, details and everything, the important things (mission selection, loadout, shooting range) are close, but the rest isn't empty, it has details and it's up to you yo explore it or just go to a mission
You know its funny because Crytek basically made the Crysis series as a way to benchmark their Cryengine. Thing is these games who are basically meant to be 'glorfied tech demos' are actual freaking games with nice level design, fun weapons, great gaming mechanics AND a amazing looking game that STILL to this day breaks PCs
The only reason that Crysis one still doesn’t performs well on modern systems is that it was optimized for future hardware that had more powerful core, rather than what actually happened where we got are more cores that work in tandem
@@rexthewolf3149 it was obvious years well before came out that that was not the future. Like the writing on the wall by 2003 that you can't just push a CPU to 10 GHz by throwing more watts at it (i.e. Pentium 4 / Netburst failures). By the time Crysis was out, quad cores were common in high end rigs, and dual cores had been for years. Not that much got any advantage from a quad core at the time.
@@rexthewolf3149 Even then you still can get more than playable performance on max settings nowadays
you clearly didn't play 2nd half of the first game or any part of the 3rd game
Gotta love those shitty aliens. As least Warhead was cool.
i think we should all just play rising storm 2 vietnam honestly
preach brother
hell yeah
Literal Gigachad
nah, go further back. Lets all play Rising Storm 1 and Red Orchestra 2 Heroes of Stalingrad. That was the peak. Maybe Rising storm 2 got better over time but last I played it, too little maps, too little coordination from the teams, and a lot of maps had a "impossible murder corridor" problem.
I agree with you, but just to add to your point, I would say that another mistake that tactical shooters suffer from, especially some that you mentioned at the beginning of the video (like OHD), is being obsessed with tangible content instead of intangible content, For example, all tactical shooters want customization of weapons, vehicles, maps, helicopters, animations, VFX, all the content that grabs the consumer's attention and can be seen at a glance, but what's the point if the foundation of the game is not fun? I think devs should focus more on basic systems like optimizations, game design, UI, balance, medical system, QL features, bugs, and go step by step in developing the game. Once you have a solid foundation, when all the "big content" comes to the game, it can be developed in a solid and fun way.
Whats QL features,
@@rookiegameplay7519 Quality of Life features if I'm not wrong in assuming that, it's basically features that make playing games less tedious and repetitive. Things like fast travel, turbo mode, etc. are examples of QL features.
The most intangible feature and most important one is game direction and gameplay loop but you cant advertise that like you can having 163 weapon skins
Exactly
Squad
This is what my review says on steam for GB, and i literally got death threats over it lol
I agree GB is lacking heavily in things to do, especially solo. At least the game works and has decent ai compared to a lot of these tactical shooters.
I honestly think Ground Branch, while lacking many things, is still pretty good compared to most of these early-access tactical shooters (though that's not a very high bar to be fair), though it's still just a little too painfully bare, speaking as someone who mainly plays solo. The mods that add extra missions spice it up a little but it's still a long way to go.
While I'm usually the kind of person that's fine with just "trusting the process" with these kind of things, since developing a game of this kind in full can be an arduous undertaking, particularly while being a fairly small studio - I can't help but wonder why development for GB has been so slow throughout the years.
The devs have indeed been transparent with what's being worked on and at what stage they are with said things, but it still feels strange to say the least that they've been developing it for about a decade and a half IIRC, and there's only one update every year that adds a couple weapons, some map reworks, a few AI changes (though they had recently made the switch to a new middleware) and *maybe* some new functionality like better NVGs or finally being able to go prone now.
It feels as if it's just grinding along and we'll maybe see a full game by 2054.
Gb is barebones alright atleast its not being praised as much as scp 5k. That "game" barely had anything except cool guns and asset flip zombies. Yet all these tacticool youtuber keep endorsing it
gb is good for roleplaying basically. i bought the game 2 years ago and thought it had a lot of potential, today i still think it has a lot of potential,w hich is another way of saying it might take a few more years before it's actually fun, if it ever gets there. i like the idea and i dont regret my purchase, but i wouldnt really recommend it to anyone looking for a fun agame
Yeah, I bought ground branch, played for a few days, then never again. It just felt so repetitive. Just walk around, shoot AI, and thats it. ARMA 3 does that shit way better in almost every way and I can't take playing ARMA anymore its too janky.
Hmm. On one hand tactical shooters are getting better and more recognition. On the other, shovelware will become common sight.
as someone who's entry point to tac shooters was insurgency, no they are not. Inurgency and Insurgency: Sandstorm, along with the Red Orchestra/Rising storm series are peak tactical shooters. Tarkov kind of counts, but not quite. All of them are older than the current wave, and all of them are better than every single popular game that has came out. The problem isn't shovelware, the problem is devs caring about flashy systems over creating a cohesive game experience. Thats why Insurgency, Rising storm, and even tarkov to an extent work so well. They're not a game with tactical shooter systems, they're games that use tactical shooter systems to assist in the enjoyment of the gameplay loop.
The reason these games have all these 'systems' is because..... the devs most likely bought modules and code examples from a store. It's not painstakingly crisp because they did a good job on that part, it's because everyone is using the same repainted plugins. And changing things like bullet drop and spread, that's just changing a number. It seems like this 'game' has a massive memory leak problem- when you lose fps the longer you play that's usually what it is. One game I made has this problem, but it's a game you only play for about 20-30 minutes, the leak takes a long time to build up. I spent forever troubleshooting trying to find what was causing it but gave up- this memory leak seems like it only takes a few minutes to be noticable- that's pretty bad.
yeah, I was looking at the Unreal asset store before seeing this video, and there are multiple realistic ballistic simulations available. Likewise weapon models can be had off the shelf. Nothing wrong with using store assets, but that explains why so many games can have wonderful weapons and detailed bullet simulations, with most everything else being... not so good.
If it's a C# game Visual Studio provides extremely good memory debugger which makes it very easy to identify memory leaks.
The horrible environment assets implementation is also a problem, they just put thousands of objects without any optimization and expect the game to run all of it without problems.
Direct REFUND
Bro, I work at the studio and it is a very good workplace. I am a transvestite and the boss is very LBQT friendly. We will finnish the game and you'll c.
@@Puxi what does any of that have to do with working at the game like bro no one asked 😭
also literally everyone these days are lgbtq friendly besides 9 year old kids, or else you literally get nuked irl
@@Puxi Now I will stay away from your game forever
@@1EAS1World He's clearly not being serious. No trans person today would call themselves a ''transvestite'' also the stuff on his channel is pretty sus. If anything this guy is anti LGBT based on the contents of his channel.
@@HulkHogan.Forteen88 You two would get along fine actually. Don't think we don't know what ''they know'' and 1488 means, speaking of you should get new dogwhistles, these ones are getting pretty old.
I think the expression "putting the cart before the horse" really fits well here
You're the first person who i've seen who has the same opinion as me.
All these new "tactical shooters" dont feel like actual games.
They all just feel like tech demos with no depth to them, it just looks fancy.
i kinda felt like tactical shooter is just a marketing campaign for weapon attachment companies and ngl most of the guns ive seen looks bland as british food mainly because of those "tactical handguards" that looks like a cheese grater
@@FrancisDoubleA so true
I feel exactly the same with "Gmod realism" content. Not only vids, addons too.
@FrancisDoubleA
Most of the shit you see on those games are essentially gun builds you might see on a airsoft arena
I call it airsoft veteran simulators, compared to old Ghost Recon, SWAT 3, the tom clancy games where they had all elements from gameplay to strategy to story these modern garbage is just gun nerd toybox shovelware.
If Rising Storm 2 and Insurgency Sandstorm had larger maps and a few additional features and weapon systems, they would be the perfect tactical shooters. They're already the few ones that aren't complete jank.
Insurgency Sandstorm had so much potential but ruined by lazy management, most of the new content is apparently outsourced.
1000%
@clinicallyarsonistic plus it doesnt help that sandstorm runs like absolute garbage and is bloated as hell
@@joeswarson4580 It runs fine but it could be better, although I've had times where I changed nothing in the settings but it chugged hard on my pc
The lesson here is - It's very easy to get the attention of gun nuts who thirst over any shooter that is remotely tactical and realistic looking. Easy to scam and easy to fool.
Gun nuts are a perfect market for games like these frankly, usually not very sharp and having a lot of disposable income.
Wdym a tacticool wannabe first person shooter with overmodded guns is just a pre-alpha barebones tech demo? Never seen that before
I do have fun in Ground Branch, it does get updated once every blue moon. But I agree, it's more of a tech demo than a full game. They want to make a game that only AAA studios had the resources to pull, but won't do. V1034 gave us more performance and better bots, but we need new maps and new game modes, which unfortunately seems to only be possible by modders hands.
Until recently they only had a small group working on it. I think ground branch stands alone among a lot of these games; The devs are open and transparent about what they are working on; They have industry experience, a reputable publisher that seems to like what they see enough to invest.
@@SaintBrick that's true. And most of all, they are not abandoning the game like most other do when money is not coming in. GB has less then 500 concurrent players most of the days. So it's understandable why things take longer.
Bro it's boring as fuck. I tried it, gave it a couple of chances even after all the updates over the years and it's just not there.
It's a niche game, even when is eventually finished, it won't be for everybody, and that's fine by me. And there is a consistent number of players having fun in GB every week, so I know I'm not alone in my statement. But even for me, the game still lacks more.@@GrugGaming
But still doesn't make the youtubers video wrong
I love that you mentioned Ready or Not as being the ones "doing it right"
Almost all the games you talked about have one big issue, and that's "why am I here?"
If you play a game and don't have an answer for "why am I here", then the game gets old fast, people need a reason to be doing what they're doing otherwise the game will die
In Ready or Not you have the answer to "why am I here" by roleplaying a SWAT officer, you get mission briefings, map blue prints, suspect and civilian information, 911 phone call recordings, AND ROE requirements you must follow if you don't want to fail a mission, each one of those things help you understand why you're gunning down the 187th pedo that week while also yelling at you for shooting someone that wasn't an immediate threat to the player.
If Ready or Not only had nice looking maps and guns/gear but nothing in regards to answering the "why am I here" question then it'd have died before the 1.0 release.
I feel your pain here. They can add 6,000 attachments for your gun, yet nobody can make a simple menu
Finally someone says it! Instead of farming new gun models for views (looking at you jackfragmentations)
Right on all points, and 3 of my personal frustrations are, stop trying to be tarkov I’d much rather have mil sim stalker. Recoil is waaay too high. And the weapon wobble. I don’t have to lose sight alignment every time I turn. When I shoot for real I lead my turn with my off hand so my sight picture stays together. When will these “operators” learn how to control their weapon
Even Tarkov puts the guns first, the entire modding mechanic is immensely in depth and for an extremely long time (i stopped played after like 5 years) the netcode was still terrible frequently suddenly dying behind stuff seconds later while the ping was like 40 at best, shots not registering, AI having weird network related quirks (once shot a scav in the head with a beanie on and he took no damage and my friend saw the exact same thing with a bullet hole in the mans skull)
A lot of the features promised either come out half assed or they'll be cut in half with a "coming soon" attached that may or may not come ever.
it's supposed to be story driven but i can't remember anyone who's ever read the quest text
Weapon sway is so annoying. I’ve never held a gun in real life but I don’t think a trained military soldier is pointing the gun everywhere *except* the target.
@@corvettezone1771 I think the weapon sway is often the best feature. For example I enjoy the weapon handling in Squad much more than in Arma 3.
There are two kind sways: when gun as a unit sways and when sights go out of alignment. I hate Arma 3 sway that is tha former and sights are always perfectly aligned and love the latter in Squad. Especially with iron sights the error most people do is not to align the sights properly, not to mention when you are in high stress situation and have to shoot fast. Shooting AK in Squad feels like shooting AK, the gun is a separate object that you have to control.
When it comes to running and sprinting stamina, in full gear, I suggest to try it by yourself. 30 kg of gear on takes a toll, especially on hot day.
I have been doing military stuff and shooting for 10 years up to this point.
Wrong about reforger,
The conflict game mode is impressive as you can see making a new game mode in 2024 is hard, so what they have is actually really impressive and fun to play
Agreed...gotta disagree with him throwing Reforger into this and even remotely suggesting its in the same vein as this garbage he was playing (Direct Contact). Reforger actually does have a game behind it that serves the purpose it was made for. Hell I can't even say I agree with him throwing GZW in here. What they've shown already is NOT in the same league with this game. I agree with him that SOME have been making the mistake of having a weapons system before a game but Reforger and GZW are not examples of that.
@@EvilAnomaly agreed, Reforger is basically Arma Cold War Criss but expanded with way more things and improving a lot of things
Disagree completely
Can't believe the day has come but I am actually enjoying Reforger over Squad. Hard to go back to Squad right now!
To be fair Arma reforger is actually a tech demo, stated by the devs themselves to test out the new enfusion engine
Devs need to realize than humans can't see in 3D through a screen. You will never be able to see in game as well as in real life, so this ultra mega camouflage just sucks.
bring back readability in art design. Modern games are so visually cluttered.
So what we're seeing more and more is basically "video game sketchbooks": Bunch of prototypes, attempts, practices, studies, etc. that devs do. And just like how artists do with their sketchbooks, they post them online for everyone to consume. They are not doing any real projects, just disjointed pieces of "art".
I think this is fine if you don't ask for any money.
And I guess the reason why we're seeing more and more of it is because tools to make video games are getting easier and better to use.
We are seeing more and more of these tech demo "games" because of the success of MW19 and tarkov, and is the exact reason why COD still successfully sells despite being mediocre games. People nowadays care more about graphics instead of actual gameplay, they see 6489 attachments, some great looking water and lighting, they give in. Tarkov and MW19 worked because they were firsts in this type of games. But these two games succeeded also because of the gameplay. Tarkov with its high risk high reward, COD with its new twist on gunplay and an okay story.
I'm just glad someone is talking about this. It has driven me insane for years
Just want to add. Ready or Not does do it well. Also IMO so did AMRA III. It's just even after many hundreds of hours playing. I still can't get a hang of the jank
Getting banned from the Discord server should be a speedrun category now.
i think it unironicly is
@@organicleaf is there a leader board?
@@goodbyerealworld8982 dont know, but i think i saw some vids where they were doing it
Almost as bad as reddit. Reddit got to be China.
Really good video; it goes over a lot that I've been thinking about these games myself. It feels a lot like these developers just want to create solid weapons and character frameworks and are excited for people to be able to see their work and sheer attention to detail, so they have to quickly come up with an actual game to support that foundation, which they have no real interest in, so it just turns out to be some slop.
I agree. In my eyes, there's nothing preventing one of these games with amazing customization from also including some kind of enjoyable gameplay loop except lack of motivation or expertise. Many have been out well past long enough to have gotten started on that, but we've seen not a single one step in that direction at all except (sort of) RoN. If somebody dropped a version of Ground Branch that had a story-driven campaign and several fun multiplayer game modes with decent servers it would sweep every other tactical game right out of the market.
I have always wanted to play a tactical shooter where my dude wears thick winter gloves in hot weather with the tiniest trigger guard, and the game simulates my death from hand hyperthermia and musculoskeletal disorders
This is why i love your channel m8. You've got your heart at the right place.
Thank you for this honest point of vue, I tried the game last year, the devs were arrogant and disrecpectful, I am not surprised the game is still in a poor condition...
There's a funny reason for this actually. In the game industry people are hired sometimes for very specialist jobs just because they're good, or the best at it. One such job is actually all about the guns. You get gun animators. Gun modellers. Gun programmers lol
It's the same for cars too. So what's happened here is that a group of Gun animators, modellers and programmers wanted to make the perfect gun game but forgot they're not human/ vehicle animators, environment modellers or NPC programmers.
You hit the spot perfectly with Gray Zone Warfare lmao
tbh i have been playing the realstic shooter DeadLine on roblox and i like it better then MW2 2022 and other AAA games
It do be fire
Speaking of why are there so many border roleplay games with the same HUD and movement controls?
@@UmiZoomR idk
Well said, no one really cares for the realistic bullshit if the gameplay is Ass. 100% true
I 100% agree. These "games" haven't got a game in them. They are anti-games.
I'm genuinely impressed how much fun and entertainment you managed to squeeze out of this blank, shallow, lackluster peace of a "videogame"
Great video btw. The topic is very true - it's not a game, it's a demo. A gun customization demo, to be exact
Almost as much depth as those “Mario in Unreal Engine” demos
NINTENDO
HIRE THIS MAN
This is DCS for flight simmers exactly. Unbelievable tech demo but the game element is just... not there.
Is DCS good
Did you even read the comment you replied to? Hes saying its an empty shell
@@rookiegameplay7519 DCS is fine, and it's also free aside from the DLCs which are ridiculously priced. But it's respectable. At least they allow you to play the game with some base vehicles for free. All in all, it's exactly what the original comment said. There isn't necessarily any gameplay, it is a tech demo. It is made for a niche community of players that love flight sims, and love to simply fly around and experience some quite spectacular graphics and a grand amount of attention to detail.
"BuT DcS IsNt A gAmE iTs a SiMuLaToR" lol
But for real DCS is more like a hobby, you buy an aircraft and then spend a hundred hours digging through PDF files learning what every switch and knob does, then when you're comfortable you buy a campaign to put what you learned to the test, that's the content, that's why people play DCS and that's fine, I don't think it's fair to put it in the same category as these games
@@CookieCake24242 "asdies from the DLCs" come on man, no one grabs DCS to fly the frogfoot or unarmed P51
A new update for Ground Branch dropped a few days ago... And it is everything you said. Spot on. It is a tech demo or proof of concept for game mechanics, without the game.
I mean at least those dudes are still trying. They are trying to make a modern shooter like classic Rainbow Six games. Ubisoft gave up on rainbow six(singleplayer at least) and splinter cell long ago. What AAA studio is making tactical shooters nowadays? If we wait for large corporations to give us what we want we might as well give up altogether.
@@nenadmilovanovic5271 The only tactic shooter I play atm is Ready or Not. I would say it is a example of how it is done.
@@nenadmilovanovic5271 Escape from tarkov is i would say what pioneered the genre with its popularity. These "tactical" shooters see the success of tarkov and try to copy its rich customization and deep gunplay, and they stop at that, forgetting the "game" part
@@sandragruber4596 Ready or not is starting to get pretty good but it gets boring pretty quickly even with friends, the replayability is pretty low as so many of the guns are either variants of a platform or feels the same as another. It still baffles me to this day why running or dashing is still not a thing in this game. There are moments where you just want to quickly run to the nearest wall to take cover, but you are stuck with that slow walk and you die.
Do you enjoy Terrorist Hunt in the older Rainbow Six titles? I suppose the answer is no. You're looking for a different kind of game.
arma reforger is quite litterly a test bed for arma 4 to give their community something to do while they finnish arma 4. So calling out reforger is kind of unfair i feel like
I was going to say that
But they're selling it. They're not giving it out on their website like "Hey community, this is for you to work on before Arma 4". They're selling it as a fully fledged game to gamers that have never played ArmA. Who cares why it's released? It's released and publicly for sale on the biggest gaming platform outside of mobile. It's not like they slap "HEY THIS IS A TEST GAME" on the store page. They slap a bunch of info on to get new players to buy it. Your excuse is inconsistent with their marketing.
@@KonglomeratYT I didn't every really ever look at the steam store page, but yeah, doesn't really communicate the different purpose/scope of the game relative to the other ArmaA games at all. Having seen the blogs posts, it seems like completely different game, store gives no indication that the game is planned to be more of a stepping stone then a full new Arma game
It also doesn't fit with what he is saying and is a completely different game compared to the others on the list.
@@KonglomeratYT So? All "stepping stone" here means it is not a fully fledged Arma title with campaign and all. But it does everything it is advertised as doing. It's also pretty polished unlike everything else on here and has a decent gamemode. Not to mention it is explicitly a modding a custom map platform.
Arma is barely a "tactical shooter" either. Not sure why he mentioned it.
I mean, isn't that what Arma Reforger supposed to be? It wasn't supposed to be Arma 4, it's supposed to be a tech demo for Arma 4. I feel like a LOT of people forget that.
A 30 dollar "tech demo". 🤡
@@BromTeque They released it with the full disclosure that people who bought it were buying into an engine test for future projects. The clown emoji doesn't mean you're not a smoothbrain.
@@thesequeltoobama7030 Please point to the marketing material or on the Steam page where Bohemia clarifies that it is a "engine test for future projects".
@@BromTeque atleast they are being open and honest that it is a tech demo unlike most other games its not like people are getting scammed lmfao
@@thesequeltoobama7030 It's also not really a tech demo as most would understand it. It's not a full Arma game with a campaign etc but other than that it certainly is a polished game at this point.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW, WHEN THE VIDEO GAME DOESN’T HAVE A GAME, IT TURNS OUT TO BE A SHIT GAME!
3:31 you know why there launch with all these features that seemingly dont synergize with each other to make a game? because they are seperate plug ins bought of the marketplace. people want to make their own tarkov, and sellers know that: so you get your inventory plug in, you weather system, high quality weapon models and customization plug ins - and everything inbetween is actually what the devs are capable of. which is not much, as it seems.
holy fuck bruh FINALLY someone said it
These games are so cool as a concept but they only ever get 1 or 2 features actually right. Theyre so overtly obsessed with like 1 or 2 parts that they just focus purely on that and forget to make something actually fun. Its especially bad when they go entirely for realism because it gets so fucking boring everytime.
It's not that they hyper focus on weapons and weapon modding, it's just the assets they use. There are "frameworks" in unreal marketplace that gives you all those weapon features with minimal effort. Nearly everything I just saw in your vid: guns, attachments, buildings, vehicles, even the character model, all assets from the marketplace.
Weeell.
I agree there needs to be proper working gameplay there. Releasing a game with only the realistic weapons but without gameplay is useless.
BUT for the genre of milsim/tactical shooters weapon realism is a big thing in my opinion. And it definitely should not be overlooked. In fact the only thing making me optimistic about Direct Contact's possible future is their weapon system.
As for Reforger. I find the Conflict and even Combat Ops game modes incredibly fun. The second even while the AI is obviously still very unfinished and dumb. Conflict has worked very much from the beginning and is a great mode. The only thing that botched the release was the constant connection and netcode issues that got you kicked out of servers every 10 minutes. So Bohemia clearly only released this with gameplay actually there. Fun gameplay at that. And in its current state most bugs are fixed, the engine is running well and they have major mod-support. Definitely the right move to include modding right from the get-go, because they know ArmA3 would have never been so popular without the mods. They know they are developing merely a platform that modders can use to build upon.
Same actually for OP Harsh Doorstop. Them being an independent studio if you can call it that with much less resources, who develop a completely free tactical shooter game of pretty good quality. But their goal is to develop a platform where mods are an integral part and at some point probably the only reason anyone will be playing it in the long term is a good call.
Road to Vostok is doing it right
Road to Vostok is a tech demo
@@e33manguy demo 2 came out Friday
@@_gamma. Didn't know that, seems even cooler now
I'm so glad someone finally made a video saying this everyone always says "oh but its still in beta" but there is no game to even class as a beta it is literally a tech demo for the guns
i absolutely love it when games have extremely customizable gear and guns, but i absolutely agree with everything else, I've been playing nothing but Deadline on roblox but it scratches that super in-depth gun customization itch but also gives me something actually fun to do
I wouldn't be so quick to group Arma Reforger into these groups of games, its "business model" so to say is completely different. Arma is less a game and more a platform that you can build your own gameplay on top of with support for very large open world maps. Reforger specifically as the devs, publisher, and game name suggests is really just a test bed for arma running on a new engine with added console support. Arma is very much a "build it and they (modders) will come" case in point DarkGru Servers. That being said the base gameplay in reofrger is great and even some of the singleplayer game modes while sometimes buggy are fairly polished and quite fun. I think a lot of people do miss the "point" of reforger.
I assume They’d Build the Premise first
Great Reminder that many don’t
Hotdogs Horseshoes and Handgrenades is probably the textbook example of a game that's actually just a tech demo, but leaned into it super hard and made that its entire niche. It is a VR game, but its weapon models and designs are incredible.
Its so crazy tho cuz like, I'm a software dev and its been like 5 months since I've said I wanted to make a game, and immersed myself into courses covering unreal 5 and whatnot and just banging my head against this and practicing my c++ and unreal skills, and that "gameplay" part of things comes down to nothing but ideas and creativity, implementing those for me is really easy, but the things they have, pretty graphics and really detailed animations is hard as hell. I suffer from those, and I don't understand how they get that part right and the others wrong.
It may just be because I love videogames and they are on the money side of things, but thats also bullshit because their animations and gun models like you said are so super detailed, clearly a lot of work has gone into them, but its just so bizarre.
Edit: I've thought about it now, and I think its just like how you said at 4:14, a buddy of mine, pretty senior as a software dev, but not a gamedev, but wanted to start doing it also, and the way he came up with the ideas were so bizarre to me, he came up with classes and ways you can interact with things and how that would work, created a whole ass spreadsheet/ miro board of his ideas and I just kept asking him okay, but like what the fuck is the point of X when you don't know whats it for, he was very passionate, gave up after a while and it stunned me that, he has ideas but its just in the wrong order, I kept pursuing him to actually think about the individual starting blocks of the game, whats the core, what you wanna do and then build it up to how you want it but it just did not make sense for him. Maybe I'm wrong and im just yapping who knows. We will see where my knowledge take me down the current year and the next one, I always had scepticism about videogame development, about that they actually just don't give a damn so I really hope I can prove it not for others because I highly doubt anyone will play my game, but to myself that actually this can be done and they're just terrible at what they do. Anyways enough yapping. Great video btw.
I'm glad someone has finally said it. I would add that also the thousands of guns in like Battlefield these days is just so boring. We don't need more than a handful of weapons... that will do. Now forget all the other BS with customisation and just finish a clucking game, someone, anyone!!
"The more I hear about Grey Zone Warfare, the more it fills me with dread"
Felt. I have literally no hopes that grey zone will actually be good on release.
Read the reviews today. Your hunch was correct.
You also missed the point, most modern games focus too much on multiplayer... to the extent that they neglect single player.
building the unreal engine 5 tech demo first also means more headaches when trying to actually code the gameplay logic while keeping it easy to maintain and efficient
Greyzone has the game and the world-building to be a good game. After the new devlog I think they actually have the idea and not just a cool weapons physics demo. I understand the concern though.
Not even looking past the 1st min of the video, but as a guy that has worked in games his whole life (im 38 now) - first as a 3D artist - then transitionned to graphics /engine programming, i can tell you one thing : there is a single good reason why there are so many games like these that come out : Delusional and unskillfull people who have no real experience / or clue about what goes into making games open their UE and start making a "game". You get shiny graphics really fast and really easily - i mean hum, all you had to do was buying some packs of assets, some controllers, pack them up in your engine of choice and voilà, you have a "game". But they don't actually know anything about what goes into making a game, all they know is that they have ideas, and how to click buttons in UE. They've probably never heard about a socket, a command buffer or anything like that. How do you expect them to release a game, seriously?
Engines like UE / Unity made the "entry point" to "game development" so easy. You don't have to know anything anymore to do these, anyone "can" do it. You don't have to worry about what a buffer is, what a matrix is, all you have to do is click some buttons and watch some tuts on youtube. All that matters is that you can convince some investors and bring enough hype to get traction for your project with your shiny stuff.
I am terribly desperated to see that. Not really for me, but because games like these pollute the game world for everyone. For the players, for people who actually have the skills to make games, and for themselve, embarking into something that will just wreck their lives and hopes because they didn't realised at first into what they were engaging themselves in.
I've always wanted to make a video on this topic but my knowledge of game design just isn't good enough
Captured my feelings perfectly. As soon as I booted up ground branch i was stunned and awed by the impressive weapons, just to load into a match and be disappointed by mediocre gameplay.
I think one of the big problems is this genre is a certain type of developer. I feel like there a lot of devs making tac shooters that are the "Triple A is dead, indie is the new wave, I'll show triple A devs how it's done" kinds of people which then make tons of promises and proceed to learn how hard game dev in in reality.
The easiest game to make in Unreal Engine is a network PVP shooter with all sorts of guns and gear.
The hardest game to make in Unreal Engine is one with NPC AI that interacts with and reacts to multiple players in a consistent manner that adheres to a consistent yet dynamic narrative.
You can genuinely go make the former in a few hours using free store assets and the graph coding system (you link boxes together with wires, it's amazing)
A little unrelated, but still a solid idea for FPS bots. Basically, right before the game begins, each bot in that game will spin a metaphorical wheel to determine how they play the game. This wheel would have probably like, 20 options or something, and each option would be a different play style, both unique to the bots and inspired by player strats (loot goblin, camper, spawn killer, pranker, etc)
I play this vr game called Hotdogs Horseshoes and Handgrenades, and it started out as just a gun simulator. Over the years, they have added gamemodes to the game, but it still is mostly focused on being a gun sim, which is how I feel these types of games should be
For your information, most of these gun and shooting mechanics are just pre-made assets available for a price in the Unity or Unreal Engine asset store. They're not made by the devs or painstakingly coded into the game.
That is not how any of the games he mentioned are, that is how some games are, not the ones he is talking about.
Watching this I start to realize that I want cool gamemodes instead of gun customisation
Ground Branch is actually a lot of fun with some fellas. Recommend doing that one day. Classic Hide n Seek, PvP gamemode where one dude is running NVGs and on the offensive and other dudes are Flashlights only and defensive, or even basic pvp with buddies.
Yeah it sure is, but that's also the biggest problem with GB. It doesn't provide anything other than the basics and the rest is up to you.
The ai is shit aswell
@@K3ntucky123 new ai just dropped that might fix something
when the game is fun only when its played in an unintended way that is a failed game. If youre solo youre left with the shitty ai to keep you company
I'd guess that the real problem is that gear and gun stuff has a lot of available premade assets that you can slap into a game without too much effort. Add a map of some kind, which can also be bought or just generated, and now you have something that looks like a game, until you play it, and realize there's no game. But they put a lot of hours into what they do have, so they think they have a game. I think a certain basic level of creative vision is no longer required to produce a shootyman game, and it encourages a lot of shovelware.
I think there is also something to be said about the fact that people who have never made a video game are inheriting everything with greedy executive types. I work in tech and it is filled with people who pretend they can code when in reality they panic and watch youtube tutorials whenever they have to do anything
When non-professionals try to make a product in a professional industry, they get humbled quickly. There is a grand canyon worth of skill and difference going from an unfocused glorified single-mechanic tech demo, to an actual game with a vision and reason to exist, beyond the simplistic nature of "scratching an itch" about weapons systems and bullet trajectory and impact simulation.
I dislike how bad the enemy ai is all the time. What’s the point of playing realistically when the ai is so stupid and uses stupid tactics.
3:20 Its because of Milsimping, simping for military gear without any substance behind them.
Love your videos man. This is too accurate for sure...
Yeah, I think we all have thought this for a while now, but no one brought words to it like this guy. Whether it's tarkov, call of duty, ground branch, etc, etc they all have to bring "new content" every so often. New guns, new skins, new toys to play with. Which is fine, but as a kid playing my 5000th 1v1 on 007 goldeneye I never once thought "I'm really bored of the golden gun. I wish they would add a diamond gun." a game should be fun. It shouldn't be a punishment to play just so you can wring the few bits if greatness hidden within. Tarkov is a great example of this. Very pretty game. It's very sastisfying to climb the level ladder and unlock the guns you wanted to start with. The gameplay is amazing, but after you've struggled and toiled away they go and erase all your hard earned progress. It feels horrible. I want to have fun, not be punished.
Everything in this game screams: We bought a bunch of assets, tried to glue them together and failed.
Things you talk about such as advanced gun systems can be bought from the marketplace and work right out of the box. The devs didnt even really configure any of it. The same can be said about other features in this "game". You yourself could probably make a "game" like that alone within a year or two without much prior knowledge.
As a singleplayer, no matter how arcade, realistic, expansive the games are, they'll never be fun as long as they implement aimbot AI..if they even try to make a gane with campaigns for us singleplayer peasants. Even big hits like Ready or Not. Then I'd rather play slop like Ghost Recon Wildlands. And that on top of the things you mention in the video. But tacticool players have a low bar. They swallow and hype everything because they are understandably happy about every game that could bring us back to the good old days
There's an Eddie Izzard joke/anecdote, from one of his 90s stand-up routines, where he tells the audience that he used to creep around movie sets, in the hope that a movie director would see him and go "Look! A creeping kid! For my new movie; 'The Creeping Kid'". I get the same vibe from these tech demos.
This is Why I design my game to have "Limited" Customizations on Weapons and other things and focus more on Details like pathing, Bots(Bots are effective than AI) and other gameplay related stuff. Some things these devs put in their games do not really fit on a game Some of these Indie Devs have a High scope to their project, i understand that, But when designing something or creating a game, the focus is STABILITY. Movement can come later, those Customization Details can come later, what comes first, is the Spine of the Game, Mechanics, Architecture and Game Theory. another intresting thing that piqued me is these devs really like PC burning Graphics, like, where even is art direction anymore? Art Direction is mostly missing on games these days, you dont get to see the stylization, Art Direction can contribute in making your game stable, Yeah sure you wanna see Cool looking Operator skins cool looking guns and 4k gRaPiks, but what about the PC of the user? Reasoning it to "Upgrade your Pc" and stuff would only Throw people off, not everyone has money ffs, Art Direction or Art Style is an important step in making games, This gives you Ways to enhance your game's performance, Plus having a Distinction to souless clones is a plus to your marketing
Finally people start calling this crap out
Been waiting for so long since tarkov
I was constantly pushed off and ticked off cause people excused bad game design cause "xD hardcore and indepth" bs
What I would really like to see is the basic gameplay loop of a Far Cry game (drive around, clear outposts, hunt animals, do jobs for NPCs) but with the gunplay (quick TTK, bullet physics, ...) and nutty customization of these tactical milsim games.
These devs only focused on whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.. Making a videogame and making a tech sim, two very different branches that should never be combined without utmost expertise.
I think OHD getting piled with these is a bit harsh. It atleast is pretty honest about its state and doesnt charge any money for the game. It definitly does fit the mold of semi sketchy unreal military shooters that are mostly promise and little game (yet), but it does so without risking your wallet so it should be seperated from the others.
Other then that, totally agree. Games need to prioritize fun, realism for the sake of it is good for literal mil sims for training.
I think a lot of people are just starting to dislike Bluedrake, which leads them to also dislike his game. I'm a long-time fan of his, so I'll stick by him whenever I can, but I will admit it is getting tiring to see him constantly post about only his game and nothing else other than the occasional sponsorship. He has also recently started making passive comments that are disrespectful, like sounding annoyed at a content creator for creating videos on Squad and not his game, which is pretty silly.
@soI agree, not to mention how hungry he got before release. All the guns and big maps and vics are really not as important as optimization and bots, as well as the main and only available game mode is really basic and boring, I have faith he will eventually come around to work on the core game. I really hope he does ftwaredev337
I think putting Reforger in with this is a bit cheeky, as it is literally meant to be a "hey guys we know you are howling for ARMA 4, its not ready yet, but have this teaser/tech demo to see what our new engine is capable of in the mean time."
obvious joke about "brit doesn't understand gun culture and why tactical Barbie is so popular" that i wouldn't respect myself if i didn't make, generally solid points. but you missed the biggest example. Tarkov. Tarkov is what started this, and its what all of these games are trying to get a bite out of. couple that with the rise of the firearms/milsim airsoft community globally... its why they are trying to make cash grabs. There are a lot of people who do not have the money or live in nations that allow it who want to go and build out a gucci kit setup and video games of this nature are an excellent outlet.
Naturally, the vultures swoop in to steal peoples money. This is less a "tactical shooter devs keep making the wrong game" and more a subset of the systemic issue in the gaming industry of making shovelware with a catchy trailer to sucker people in.
Anyway, i'm going back to spend another 50 hours in ACE Arsenal trying to decide between M81 woodland and M93 for my chest rig... maybe i'll go with a 1-8x LPVO instead of the 2-10x this time... hmm....
-Cheers from canada bud.
The best part is you get banned for asking anything or criticizing anything on their discord. Got perma banned for even piping up with another bloke cos the dev went on a spree calling someone asking for a refund "gay". The dev needs to really check his ego and go to rehab.
in gamedev there is a saying, the first 90% of making a game is easier than the second 90%. and those games are made up to 90%
Solid review 6/10
Lovely review of the review
Ready or Not is the perfect example of a tactical realistic shooter gone right
Nope
Hell no. Here's a list of some of the changes 1.0 made to the game
- Enemy AI reaction time has been removed, making it physically impossible for you to react if they fake a surrender. Before 1.0, they had a reaction time similar to the average human reaction time, allowing you time to react.
- Enemy bullets penetrate almost any surface (including solid concrete walls), player bullets can only penetrate very thin objects such as doors and windows. Before 1.0, player and enemy bullets had the same penetration.
- Enemy AI accuracy has been increased, they now rarely miss shots if they have line of sight. This includes while they are running as they removed the running accuracy penalty from AI so have fun getting lasered by a crack addict with a pistol running full sprint away from you.
- 1.0 removed lots of map variants. You used to be able to play up to 5 different game modes per map, now you're lucky to get 2 game modes per map.
- 1.0 did NOT update the FSR or DLSS used for no reason. It's literally replacing a 5mb file it takes not even 30s to do and they couldn't care enough to do it.
Among other things.
Does Ready or Not offer a unique experience that no other game has? Yes. Is it a "perfect example of a tactical realistic shooter gone right" Hell no
THANK YOU THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING MORE PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR THIS
Was just talking about this the other night. Sick of tech demos. Love how cool gun customization is, but I'd actually like to *do* something with them.