_"Have we...made Contact?"_ That line right there, the one spoken by Ayre before the first Balteus fight, eventually made me think Ayre and other Rubiconians are a pseudo-hivemind before individuals within make 'Contact' with augments. Or Dosers high on Coral like Father Dolmayan. My thinking then is that convening closely with humanity over the years as they started to gather Coral in spades allowed the Rubiconian hivemind to assimilate human knowledge, language, and understanding. And the reason Coral tries so hard to gather with more Coral is because as a hivemind the larger the Coral mass gets, the more intelligent they all become in addition to having more chances to propagate. Or, y'know, when Ayre said 'we,' she meant herself and 621, meaning my little pet theory goes flying out the window like a sparrow with terrible diarrhea trying to reach the garden path or someone's car before it's too late. Either way I don't think 'Rubiconian' Coral were former humans, just Coral that had achieved sapience and gained mannerisms from watching humanity flailing about too long. No idea how they'd have survived the first Fires of Ibis unless the combustion thing is a natural part of a Coral cluster's life cycle...
@@muhammadwibisonojanuar7793 If I didn't know any better, the unreleased voice clip explains it best: human brain wave patterns closely matching Coral, who are waveform beings. If Coral really are a hivemind intelligence like I thought, and if they see human brainwaves as more 'Coral,' then sticking them in the gigantic fuel depot just made them smart enough to conceive the idea of collapsing themselves into a massive energy wave that would let them 'assimilate' with what they'd perceive as stranded Coral: humans. And possibly AI, or AllMind had no idea what the Coral were truly capable of.
@@NathanIsYappin you forgot the rest of that bit, it's just not as silly an admission without the rest of that bit. and surely doesn't discredit the last paragraph either way, 'C-Wave Mutations' could just be Coral that learned to/found a way to communicate with humans. Combustion thing aside.
@@TustlePlays Yes, you're right, I don't mean to argue Ayre was human. Do note, though, that her dialogue after the Ice Worm seems to indicate she consciously existed on her own, apart from 621, for some time before they met, so she's a discrete being.
For me what also adds to this theory is a detail with Ayre after we discovered Institute City. The specific line she says is her second one saying that "This is my home...". I know it's meant to convey that the convergeance is here and that the pull she's felt is stronger than ever. But i think this could be a classic Fromsoft double meaning that when said it she actually meant that Institute City is her home instead of the coral, especially the tone she said it in, like she in that moment recalled a long forgotten memory due to her seeing the city again.
I would honestly agree with the theory that Ayre was once human, given all she knows about AC's, the history of the fire of ibis, the hints she drops, and even Igauzu being key proof when he admits he has been killed several times by the player. We also know ALLMIND is pushing to release coral and essentially had two semi-controlled stockpiles, one of which she had Sulla defending, and the other she personally asked us to help defend with (against the erkidormi and a cataphract no less). I would go out on a limb and say that, in conjunction with that cut voice line from ayre and allmind, there is a way to essentially transfer people's consciousness into the coral. Consuming it is enough to gain the ability to speak to it after all. Im not sure entirely of the "how", but igauzu and ayre push it into a realm of it definitely happens. And it makes further sense that its done by a stress inducing experience, as again, Ayre knows about the fires and its effects the first time as well as igauzu just winding down from his months long tantrums if he beats the player, acknowledging that he does not have much time left after your demise. Perhaps the only way to join the coral, and maintain some type of form within it, is through constant stress/anxiety as an odd anchor of sorts. With Ayre, she's constantly worried and thinking of how to free the coral and humanity's intentions, and with Igauzu, his pride being constantly kicked in by the player and him having a petty drive to get back at us no matter the cost would be his form of stress, probably to a ridiculous point where he can momentarily disrupt any coral/mechanical entities around him. tl;dr Igauzu is proof humans can become coral through stress, and hes high in coral off pure salt and jealousy.
Ayre has been depicted with red, white and black(some accessories being worn). She and a certain new antagonist in Sonic Frontiers could be friends! (at least based on my understanding of wholesome art I have seen of the Sonic Frontiers antagonist)
My biggest issue with this is, why wouldn't Ayre just say so? At the end of the Ice Worm mission, Ayre explains that she was "born from the coral tide", a rather strange thing to say if she was originally human. She also never mentions it later, despite her being extremely honest with us throughout. Keeping this a secret would be very out of character for her.
She said that an conciseness can be scattered by the coral flow Perhaps thats what happend to her Born from the coral tide could also mean that she came to be trough the interaction of the coral tide wich results in her current state of existence
@@R-XI_Sulla "scattering of consciousness" to me sounds more like the consciousness being destroyed, rather than absorbed. You have to squint quite a lot to interpret Ayre's statement the way you do. It's also out of character for her to be so obtuse.
Bandai got inspired by their IP Gundam especially the metal in gundam called gundaminium and Psycho plates, unknown it could enhance humans to do time and space powers like Coral was unknown to rubicans. Protagonist amuro even became like ayre doing same thing as her
Just want to say, if ALLMIND's SOL 644 is powered by Coral, the explosion of its destruction should also form like an orb (coral explosion), not the Circulating Current generator's explosion, and the thruster should have a strange sound effect from Coral itself
People Let me remind you of her first warning To wake up before getting consumed by the coral flow What if she got consumed after an batch of coral mutated amd went out of control Many I think there are not The institute made sure to completely burn every bit of mutated coral that they can find Killing the c-wave which lives there That also might explain her loneliness and how clingy she is (she made herself extremely valuable to raven by offering it help) She also always said Im an rubiconian She never called herself directly an mutated piece of coral She never struggled to understand human customs
The best theory I heard for Ayre being human, was that she was a victim of first generation augmentation. She died and her consciousness scatter among the coral but she was eventually able to gather herself again. It's what she saved 621 from experiencing at Watchpoint Delta.
When big addon come( there is a lot of cut content) - we would see the truth about coral and Earth Big AI(aka the system), which is a big part of the plot, but everybody forgot about him. he basically is GWYN, when army of his fellow KNIGHTS sacrifice themselves for the greater good and etc. Ayre was a human... soul.. IT IS FROM GAME. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? she is just coral hybrid as igu and we are talking with the soul of the girl.
I always envision Ayre as a “Coral Ghost” (or a “Coral Poltergeist”). If what the video says is true, then the Coral are the inhabitants of Rubicon 3 before they were engulfed in the Fires of Ibis which atomized their mortal shells but preserved their souls to become Coral. Not to mention ALLMIND mentions an evolution between mankind and coral.
It's hard to tell, but I feel like if Ayre was human she'd be more explicit about it. If she was a being with human memories but turned into Coral, and retains those memories, it's hard to believe in all the time she and Raven were together, she wouldn't reminisce or let it slip even once. There's never any "I can no longer do X" or "I used to do Y".
Pretty sure the true ending confirms this theory anyway. I won't spoil it but if you have seen it you'd know what I mean, I'm pretty sure the AC in the ending is NOT the Ravens original AC and I'm almost 99% certain the Raven is no longer human in that ending.
Not so much with armored core. It doesnt spoon feed you but its not nearly as cryptic as souls or eldin ring. Inuiniverse armored core most non plot twist questions can be answered if you had the ability to ask.
Might be possible Allmind called her an C-wave mutation Institute logs mentioned the chance of coral mutating and it beeing destroyed quickly Born from the coral tide doesn't mean its her starting point Her current form could had been an sort of rebirth after beeing consumed by the coral flow She warned raven to wake up before beeing scattered in the coral flow (past experience?
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Seria, Father Dolmayan's Coral Waifu, existed before the Fires of Ibis.
_"Have we...made Contact?"_
That line right there, the one spoken by Ayre before the first Balteus fight, eventually made me think Ayre and other Rubiconians are a pseudo-hivemind before individuals within make 'Contact' with augments. Or Dosers high on Coral like Father Dolmayan. My thinking then is that convening closely with humanity over the years as they started to gather Coral in spades allowed the Rubiconian hivemind to assimilate human knowledge, language, and understanding. And the reason Coral tries so hard to gather with more Coral is because as a hivemind the larger the Coral mass gets, the more intelligent they all become in addition to having more chances to propagate.
Or, y'know, when Ayre said 'we,' she meant herself and 621, meaning my little pet theory goes flying out the window like a sparrow with terrible diarrhea trying to reach the garden path or someone's car before it's too late.
Either way I don't think 'Rubiconian' Coral were former humans, just Coral that had achieved sapience and gained mannerisms from watching humanity flailing about too long. No idea how they'd have survived the first Fires of Ibis unless the combustion thing is a natural part of a Coral cluster's life cycle...
Then what about the Coral Released?
@@muhammadwibisonojanuar7793 If I didn't know any better, the unreleased voice clip explains it best: human brain wave patterns closely matching Coral, who are waveform beings. If Coral really are a hivemind intelligence like I thought, and if they see human brainwaves as more 'Coral,' then sticking them in the gigantic fuel depot just made them smart enough to conceive the idea of collapsing themselves into a massive energy wave that would let them 'assimilate' with what they'd perceive as stranded Coral: humans.
And possibly AI, or AllMind had no idea what the Coral were truly capable of.
"Or, y'know, when Ayre said 'we,' she meant herself and 621"
...yeah, sorry, buddy, it's that one.
@@NathanIsYappin you forgot the rest of that bit, it's just not as silly an admission without the rest of that bit.
and surely doesn't discredit the last paragraph either way, 'C-Wave Mutations' could just be Coral that learned to/found a way to communicate with humans. Combustion thing aside.
@@TustlePlays Yes, you're right, I don't mean to argue Ayre was human. Do note, though, that her dialogue after the Ice Worm seems to indicate she consciously existed on her own, apart from 621, for some time before they met, so she's a discrete being.
For me what also adds to this theory is a detail with Ayre after we discovered Institute City. The specific line she says is her second one saying that "This is my home...". I know it's meant to convey that the convergeance is here and that the pull she's felt is stronger than ever.
But i think this could be a classic Fromsoft double meaning that when said it she actually meant that Institute City is her home instead of the coral, especially the tone she said it in, like she in that moment recalled a long forgotten memory due to her seeing the city again.
I would honestly agree with the theory that Ayre was once human, given all she knows about AC's, the history of the fire of ibis, the hints she drops, and even Igauzu being key proof when he admits he has been killed several times by the player. We also know ALLMIND is pushing to release coral and essentially had two semi-controlled stockpiles, one of which she had Sulla defending, and the other she personally asked us to help defend with (against the erkidormi and a cataphract no less).
I would go out on a limb and say that, in conjunction with that cut voice line from ayre and allmind, there is a way to essentially transfer people's consciousness into the coral. Consuming it is enough to gain the ability to speak to it after all. Im not sure entirely of the "how", but igauzu and ayre push it into a realm of it definitely happens. And it makes further sense that its done by a stress inducing experience, as again, Ayre knows about the fires and its effects the first time as well as igauzu just winding down from his months long tantrums if he beats the player, acknowledging that he does not have much time left after your demise.
Perhaps the only way to join the coral, and maintain some type of form within it, is through constant stress/anxiety as an odd anchor of sorts. With Ayre, she's constantly worried and thinking of how to free the coral and humanity's intentions, and with Igauzu, his pride being constantly kicked in by the player and him having a petty drive to get back at us no matter the cost would be his form of stress, probably to a ridiculous point where he can momentarily disrupt any coral/mechanical entities around him.
tl;dr Igauzu is proof humans can become coral through stress, and hes high in coral off pure salt and jealousy.
Ayre has been depicted with red, white and black(some accessories being worn).
She and a certain new antagonist in Sonic Frontiers could be friends! (at least based on my understanding of wholesome art I have seen of the Sonic Frontiers antagonist)
My biggest issue with this is, why wouldn't Ayre just say so? At the end of the Ice Worm mission, Ayre explains that she was "born from the coral tide", a rather strange thing to say if she was originally human. She also never mentions it later, despite her being extremely honest with us throughout. Keeping this a secret would be very out of character for her.
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She said that an conciseness can be scattered by the coral flow
Perhaps thats what happend to her
Born from the coral tide could also mean that she came to be trough the interaction of the coral tide wich results in her current state of existence
@@R-XI_Sulla "scattering of consciousness" to me sounds more like the consciousness being destroyed, rather than absorbed.
You have to squint quite a lot to interpret Ayre's statement the way you do. It's also out of character for her to be so obtuse.
Missed the chance to tell the story in Walter or Carla's voice.
FromSoft won't make an official statement. Because AC's story design is to be cryptic. Hence, some part of the lore is open to interpretations.
Bandai got inspired by their IP Gundam especially the metal in gundam called gundaminium and Psycho plates, unknown it could enhance humans to do time and space powers like Coral was unknown to rubicans. Protagonist amuro even became like ayre doing same thing as her
Just want to say, if ALLMIND's SOL 644 is powered by Coral, the explosion of its destruction should also form like an orb (coral explosion), not the Circulating Current generator's explosion, and the thruster should have a strange sound effect from Coral itself
People
Let me remind you of her first warning
To wake up before getting consumed by the coral flow
What if she got consumed after an batch of coral mutated amd went out of control
Many I think there are not
The institute made sure to completely burn every bit of mutated coral that they can find
Killing the c-wave which lives there
That also might explain her loneliness and how clingy she is (she made herself extremely valuable to raven by offering it help)
She also always said
Im an rubiconian
She never called herself directly an mutated piece of coral
She never struggled to understand human customs
Ayre definitely isnt clingy but definitely wants partnership with raven who she wants to be hero of coral
The best theory I heard for Ayre being human, was that she was a victim of first generation augmentation. She died and her consciousness scatter among the coral but she was eventually able to gather herself again. It's what she saved 621 from experiencing at Watchpoint Delta.
We’ll have to wait for the guidebook that was suspossed to release
She's real to me.
When big addon come( there is a lot of cut content) - we would see the truth about coral and Earth Big AI(aka the system), which is a big part of the plot, but everybody forgot about him. he basically is GWYN, when army of his fellow KNIGHTS sacrifice themselves for the greater good and etc. Ayre was a human... soul.. IT IS FROM GAME. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? she is just coral hybrid as igu and we are talking with the soul of the girl.
I always envision Ayre as a “Coral Ghost” (or a “Coral Poltergeist”).
If what the video says is true, then the Coral are the inhabitants of Rubicon 3 before they were engulfed in the Fires of Ibis which atomized their mortal shells but preserved their souls to become Coral.
Not to mention ALLMIND mentions an evolution between mankind and coral.
One problem with that: Seria, Thumb Dolmayan's mind waifu pre-dated the Fires of Ibis.
@@Servellion Good Point.
People could die and before FOI. Coral almost HAD coral release before FOI. Insitute burn it because of 48h-incoming of Release.@@Servellion
All of the cut dialog is so interesting
Simping over coral...
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no regrets
It's hard to tell, but I feel like if Ayre was human she'd be more explicit about it. If she was a being with human memories but turned into Coral, and retains those memories, it's hard to believe in all the time she and Raven were together, she wouldn't reminisce or let it slip even once. There's never any "I can no longer do X" or "I used to do Y".
I dont think she was human, but was born as a result of coral assimilating humans
Coral Lore
Pretty sure the true ending confirms this theory anyway. I won't spoil it but if you have seen it you'd know what I mean, I'm pretty sure the AC in the ending is NOT the Ravens original AC and I'm almost 99% certain the Raven is no longer human in that ending.
But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory! Thanks for watching.
From software posting confirmation NO NO NO SALTY
From software rule number 984 HIDE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE LORE
Not so much with armored core. It doesnt spoon feed you but its not nearly as cryptic as souls or eldin ring.
Inuiniverse armored core most non plot twist questions can be answered if you had the ability to ask.
Hello where's the picture from?
No, don't give me hope... that Ayre used to be human.
Might be possible
Allmind called her an C-wave mutation
Institute logs mentioned the chance of coral mutating and it beeing destroyed quickly
Born from the coral tide doesn't mean its her starting point
Her current form could had been an sort of rebirth after beeing consumed by the coral flow
She warned raven to wake up before beeing scattered in the coral flow (past experience?
funny self propagating source of energy woman
Get coral’d
No she where never human.