The thing is we weren't supposed to be in a title race after wholesale changes in midfield and losing arguably the best keeper in the world so for that reason we should have slipped up before now but fortunately or unfortunately it's all come at the sharp end of the season. As long as we get Cl then we've improved and the new manager will have something to work with next season.
That is a losers mentality. This is like saying arsenals season last year was a success cause they finish top 4 when they bottled the league. Truth is Liverpool have been in 3 title races in the Klopp era and failed in all attempts. When your in it your in it to win. Champion teams don’t back down. Sadly this current Liverpool team lacks the killers like mane and bobby and even the leadership of hendo and Milner. When the lights were at the brightest Liverpool have disappeared this season.
I dont think Klopp announcing that he's leaving at the end of the season was too early because if he didn't do it they would've conceded 2 penos to Chelsea. Jokes aside, I've massive respect for what Klopps done
There is no way that Liverpool should be so high in the table. They have massively overachieved so far this season with an almost entirely new midfield! Only mad people, fools and diehard Scousers actually believed that Liverpool would be Premier League title contenders. Liverpool had a couple of serious injuries earlier in the season and played a makeshift defence for five months. 🤔 Klopp has been literally forced to play 'kids' just to get fit teams out onto the pitch every three days. The Liverpool team have been literally hanging on for half of the season, in complete contrast to the way City have played. Losing their goalkeeper who is statistically off the charts and the No.1 goalkeeper in the World has made them even more vulnerable to the counterattack. The injury to Jota finally killed off their chances as he has consistently been the best finisher at the club. Those small half chances that Jota laps up are the marginal differences that are hugely significant in elite Sport. Obviously, the draw with Man Utd, who were utterly woeful was both emotionally and psychologically draining. However, none of this recent decline was unpredictable or surprising.
There was an assumption that when key players returned from injury that it would be full steam ahead for the PL title, but understandably they have been off the pace, it takes time. Klopp should have persisted with the combination of experience and youth which saw an 83% win rate in Jan & Feb, compared with 44% since with the more established and experienced line ups!
Exactly. The youth players did very well. Klopp could have rotated them with the senior players to manage the minutes and keep the momentum of the youth going.
FSG Liverpool have got bargain basement players all over across the squad. That's the problem. Those second-tier internationals can win most games, but not the ones that count.
Macallister can't do everything. He's about the only real decent midfielder we have. Gakpo and szob, gravenberch money and endo money wasted to an extent.
@@redmed10 Sabozlai has had a great season, just missed chances lately. Fans on BBC radio 5 live called in saying Endo was bargain if the season. Gravenberch is a top talent coming from Bayern, not Hertha Berlin
The team overachieved this season by even being in a title race. I think they have run out of steam but still always a chance. Just try to win the next game if possible. Man City are favorites but both Liverpool and Arsenal need to keep trying to win their games and force City to win theirs. Don't give up yet.
He was never worth that pay rise that upset the whole team , I'd rather have Mane and Bobby than Salah anytime, I think that mess has caused a lot of the problems last year and now this year,it put too much pressure on Klopp
Wow no mention of Liverpool winning against Atalanta 5-0 away only 2 years ago in the UCL, of course they can do it as they have done as recently as 2 years ago!!
Agreed. But the context is, this team looks shot. and in an attacking sense, the lack of belief in the final third is huge. Even when we're one on one with the keeper, there's a sense we will miss.
To me, this does look like a major symptom of Klopp leaving, in the sense of the pressure, mental strains and also amount of games being played adding to this dip. However, I think in terms of the lack of progress seen in some players (example, Diaz, Gakpo, Szoboszlai, Nunez, Bradley etc), We're now out of the honeymoon phase with those players, and there are some who are better in plug and play situations like Mac Allister, Jota, Salah, Endo, VvD, Ibou. Those player's performances are less noticeable or at least declines are less impacted because they do not rely as much on receiving more coaching development. Klopp is obviously not working on a long term plan here as he is leaving, and maybe the season is too long in the sense that we're seeing what happens when a team is more thrown together than working towards an eventual shape. Next season we should see improvements in them all, as there will be a manager with a more long term idea in place, who will plan to be there for years. I think this current Liverpool team under Klopp does feel a little thrown together and some players will suffer from that, some will not. The next few years we will probably get more of an idea of who is good enough for Liverpool and who is not. It is a team after all and there will be days where not everyone is firing, but we're also not seeing the formation of a long term system here, so I feel it is making everything seem a little more aimless. I think a lot of that group could do with hearing a new voice, and a new manager might have better was to develop Darwin, Szobo, Cody and so on. I think it could be a really good thing overall and while Klopp's tenure has been incredible, I am also excited for a new start. We have a lot of lethal weapons in this side and can add more. I don't feel as doom and gloom about it because there are a lot of great coaches out there and this new set up so far looks quite good. Klopp has left an incredible group for the next manager to look at and decide with what to do. We don't need too many more pieces and I think it might not take us long to get back to competing on a major scale, once we get the right manager. And to be fair, there are many great options out there like Ruben Amorim, Sebastian Hoeness, Simeone Inzaghi, Thiago Motta, Arne Slot, Luis Enrique, Andoni Iraola, Thomas Frank.
You don't know how players will react to Klopp leaving, there's been a lot of scaremongering in the press about players even leaving , only weeks ago people were crooning about the players getting criticised now , social media doesn't help, you have people commenting who haven't even been to anfield, even the crowd has changed there due to pricing and the hoops you need to go through to just get in
Why only Nunez and Diaz? What about serial bottler, Salah? What about the anonymous Gakpo? (Yeah, he has improved slightly in recent games but has he had one statement game since he joined FSG Liverpool?) What about even Jota who regularly goes missing against the biggest clubs? Let's talk about reality. Them con artists, FSG, downgraded the front three right in front of the fans eyes and the fans got excited by a little bit of 'chaos'. Well, tolerating that 'chaos' has led to complacency and now every player is missing chances.
Such lightweight analysis. The problem is that you can't go behind in 23 games in a season and expect the wheels not to come off at some point. Hopefully the new coaching team will do something about that as it's being going on since the start of last season. Strikers will always have lean spells, happens to every club.
@@SW-by9ob The whole team is missing easy chances like Nunez does. That's the complacency the fans have encouraged by cheering this donkey, Nunez, on. Now, he's spread his mediocrity across the whole team.
@@rufusstewart762 Madrid fans demand perfection and they usually get it. Madrid usually winning means players want to play for them, over the likes of FSG Liverpool who can't even offer them more money to entice them.
Why did Klopp change the formula that had been so successful in Jan & Feb? There was an assumption that when key players returned from injury that it would be full steam ahead for the PL title, but understandably they have been off the pace, it takes time. Klopp should have persisted with the combination of experience and youth which saw an 83% win rate in Jan & Feb, compared with 44% since then with the more established and experienced line ups!
Finishing let us down vs. Palace but performances haven't been great all year and game management has been poor for ages under this management, so Klopp shares some of the blame for sure. Mentality monsters are a thing of the past, I'm afraid to say.
Its a feature that liverpool get targeted in certain areas but liverpool never seem to do any targeting of opposition team players. So many times I've seen the other team play a young kid and we never target them. For example man u central defence recently.
I don't think anyone expected them to be in a title race this season after where they finished last year and their complete midfield rebuild in the summer. A top 3 finish and domestic cup would be a good season that the new coaching team can build upon.
@@cjewe1z Haaland plays for the best team in world football, scores lots of goals against weaker opponents, ghosts in big games, and misses more big chances than anyone else in the premier league. It's his overall game that Keane was commenting on, not just his finishing in the box. Nunez certainly needs to improve his finishing, but even Suarez took 2 seasons to hit his stride and decent numbers.
In fairness, I think this was just one of those games where they could've played for another half-hour and Liverpool still wouldn't have been able to score. A bad day at the office, and Palace defended like their life in the Prem depended on it (which of course, it does). It's not all doom and gloom for either Arsenal or Liverpool, plenty of season to go for things to happen for them.
They have flattered to deceive for a lot of games this season mixed with some good performances. The squad is in decline and the new look midfield isn’t as strong as the old one. They would be struggling without Klopp. Interesting times ahead.
Not one of the FSG Liverpool attack is elite. They have been able to overpower teams because they can bring on a couple of fresh second-tier internationals to replace the second-tier international starting attackers. They can't do that now because they are either too tired from the effort from all the comebacks or not match fit after returning from injury. Have they beaten any of the top six? What happened to playing the youth players who held it down while the senior players were injured?
Moments of brilliance and perseverance are only good for so long. Systemic defensive issues, the inability to correct glaring issues, iffy recruitment, consistently missing big chances etc. It's been an issue under Klopp for years now and there's been no real progress since winning the league.
The systemic issue is FSG are a bunch of con artists who refuse to spend top-club money to make them winners. Their trophy is UCL money. The only time they spent big was when PSG helped them by signing Neymar, which led Barcelona to panic and overpay for Coutinho.
We haven't had the basics right for a long while. Hit and miss sums us up. Terrible first touches. Terrible passing. Means we never have any flow to our game. Its terrible to watch apart from the goals and now they have dried up it highlights all the other flaws in our game.
I think Klopp is a legend. He's the best Liverpool manager in my lifetime. I wonder if recency bias might affect how his tenure is viewed. The season isn't technically over yet, but it feels over to me. He's done so well, but if they don't win the league this year I think it'll be down to their poor finishing in a few games. Take the Utd game for instance. Liverpool should have buried them. At Anfield, they really could have beaten City if Diaz had been more clinical. the Arsenal game at Anfield could have gone either way I guess. But if we'd won those Utd and City games we'd be 5 points clear. The guys are right about Liverpool constantly going behind. I think Klopp's in-game management paved over the cracks on that front. So many games where we started slow, and after a few substitutions, we got it over the line. The guys put it succinctly. Too many games where they were trying to bail themselves out. Throughout a season that'll cost you. And it has.
Its the line up, sadly. As a life-long over 40 years liverpool fan, he's stubborn to play a back 3, and have 4 in midfield and 3 up top. He insists on a back 4, attacking left and right back, in front of alisson. You can do that, if you beat Atalanta, or had a week's rest. But, when Palace have a week's rest, and Klopp doesn't think he needs to keep it tight for the first hour, its going in circles with these points i've raised. A sporting director would be having a word with him, whats your plan, line-up for this weekend, after Atalant'a loss at Anfield. Palace have had week's rest, so don't you think we should keep it tight and push -up, play them at off-side game, and have your back 3 support your midfield through to attack ??? Klopp has lost us, more than he should have won us, with the resources he's had in the last 6-7 years, since 2017-2018. He's only had one way of playing, and teams which rest / get chance to rest more, will catch you out. He's done way too many interviews, like a celebrity. Checked out, by the way he comes across in interviews, now pressure has taken its toll. Liverpool media, and FSG should be ashamed of themselves giving the world press, a field day for 3-4 months,
Klopp has refused to learn that counter-press is not the best playmaker. The best playmaker is a playmaker. Heavy metal football is headless chicken football. FSG Liverpool don't know how to play in their own half or in the middle third. Counter-press is about giving up possession cheaply to win it high up when teams are out of shape and running at full speed to catch their opponents out. FSG Liverpool don't know how to play at a slower, controlled manner. Having said that, I don't think FSG have spent enough or recruited enough or regenerated the squad. No senior midfield signing except Thiago between 2018 and 2023 is criminal. If you talk about Klopp, talk about FSG. They are the ones who don't sign the cheques.
Poor fitness and conditioning, poor training ground preparation and poor tactics. We don't stretch defenders anymore, we just try to ram through a congested 18 yard box, causing us to snap at chances and hit obstructed shots. You can't concede sloppy opening goals in more than half your games and expect to be champions. There's raw quality there but we are too rough around the edges to go the distance. Good riddance to Pep Ljinders, we've been on a tactical decline ever since he got cosy with Klopp.
Selecting Endo in every game, a player who can't run, can't track runners, and gets targeted by the opposition, that's a big reason. He gives no protection infront of the defence, and is a lightweight It's been a shocking end to Klopp's era, and Endo has his fingerprints all over it.
Exactly. A £16m defensive midfielder aged 31 signed from a relegation fodder club is going to run the midfield of six-times European Champions Liverpool Football Club? Nah... Mofos were riding his tip when he had a couple of decent performances around the turn of the year. I still wasn't convinced because FSG Liverpool didn't beat any of the top six clubs and Endo was not dictating play, as a world-class defensive midfielder should. Would he start ahead of Rodri for City? Would he start ahead of Tchouameni for Madrid? Would he start ahead of Rice for Arse'nal? He would struggle to get a place in their benches. FSG have repeatedly held the club back by not spending a little more.
@@SW-by9ob Every man has a price. If the project was compelling enough Alonso would have joined. There's a more compelling project going on at Madrid that he can prepare for by staying at Leverkusen for another year or two. Did your ever think about that? Tchouameni, Bellingham, Caicedo and Lavia all rejected the FSG Liverpool project, because it wasn't compelling enough. Are you seeing the picture or are you still deluded about what FSG do?
nothing is decided yet we have turned around 3 goals against better teams albeit at home. The league is going to be tough now if we dont win the 3 away games its over. Nunez I agree isnt ever going to be the real deal just to rough around the edges and hasnt really shown signs he will get better brilliant one moment and dross the next. Spurs is the only game that City will find a challenge but Ange ball means they will get gubbed most likely
I can't believe the narrative and the disrespect to Klopp this Liverpool team is a rebuilding team this season and poor decisions going against the team like Man city and Tottenham to say a few absolutely ridiculous narrative
Faltering my ass. Nobody even thought we'd make top 4 this season. The fact that not winning the title would be seen as a failure is just a compliment to Klopp. this whole narrative is absolutely hilarious. this is a brand new squad which for large portions of the season has been made up of children and despite all that we're 2 points from first place. if thats faltering then the rest of the league is an absolute embarassment
Mate, expectations change. Liverpool were in a position a month ago to win a quadruple. You have to admit that there has been a clear drop off which is weirdly coinciding with the majority of the first team regaining full fitness.
All respekt to city but when liverpool play whit one rest day less than city you pay the price in the end. Liverpool pay even more 13.30 games to and less rest and of corse you have more injureds player when the top players come back from injured the dont have the rythm. THATS what liverpool have now. No energi in the team.
That's easy. Man United shook them to their knees and they can't get back up 😁 FA cup defeat wrecked them, then they can't get it done AGAIN in the next game against a rubbish United side - and I'm a United fan. At this rate you're "legendary" manager is about to end up with the same silverware we had last season after all the talk of leagues and everything else. Klopp is a second place specialist. He knows his place 😉
Top 4 and a trophy is fine. Look how many players left the club last summer and look at the amount of injuries Liverpool have had. Also some very dodgy decisions in key games. Nunez is a waste of space too. Jota getting injured was a, huge loss.
Having gotten within 2 games of winning a quadruple the season before and consistently being he only team to actually challenge Man City during Pep's reign. We could still win a treble this season FFS, nothing has been decided yet.
@@SW-by9obThat's why Klopp is very good.... But "challenge" and match are 2 very very different things. Even if Liverpool does win 2 this season (stop counting Europa league a treble), that would not be matching City. Also Arteta challenged as well 2 yrs in a row.
@@drep9028 Man City are playing a different game both on and off the pitch. Arteta hasn't gotten within 1 point of a 90+ point scoring City on multiple occasions. He got within 5 points last season and only because City had a weak season by their usual standards . A treble is winning 3 trophies in a season (excluding the Community Shield or WCC). If you're not counting the EL then why not also ignore the Carabao?
@@SW-by9obif you're top of the league for 80% of a season and only dropped to 2nd within the final 7 or so games....that's challenging. Since when is challenging defined as to coming within 1 point? 😕
@@SW-by9ob you know why Europa league isn't counted. Same that club world cup isn't counted. Furthermore the carabo cup is v the best your domestic league has to offer. Europa Europa league isn't v the best Europe has to offer
Wrong. FSG are a flop. One PL and one UCL in fourteen seasons under FSG is laughable. Being outspent by the likes of newly-promoted Nottingham Forest is laughable. We're talking about six-times European Champions Liverpool Football Club. This is how they run the club. 🤣🤣🤣
@@SW-by9ob So, do they run the club debt-free? Football is not played in board rooms and stock markets. FSG have been holding the club back for five years now. They have taken the club as far as their penny-pinching will allow. The time for them to relinquish is at least four years overdue.
Ahh, the comments section! Gleefully half-populated by those who don't like Liverpool very much and who probably once drunkenly sang 'it's never your faul' and something about Andy Carroll but actually support a team who would give their right arm to be in a title race. The other half are LFC supporting doom merchants keen to peddle their own theories as to why 'the wheels have come off'. There's no need for Athletic-ish faux philosophy, if anyone watched us against United or Palace it is quite clearly an inability to force the ball across the line by any which way. Bad finishing, bad form. The elephant in the room of the VAR robbery that has already happened to Liverpool (the chest kick against City, the basketball move against Arsenal, the total incompetence at Spurs) actually means there shouldn't even BE much of a title race at this point, but hey, who needs facts to get in the way of a good narrative?
I didn't you mention the lack of a world-class defensive midfielder in your philosophical rant? I could write an essay about the numerous institutional and structural problems at FSG Liverpool. The club is being run like a mid-table club but them con artists.
@@cjewe1z Is this irony? Tell me you are not serious and you are still thinking we should have actually got Caicedo and Lavia etc?! Or is it now Endo has had one or two bad games that the knife goes in. I didnt rant at all, it was more a weary dismissal of the handwringing that is going on. If you ever want evidence of the fickleness of the modern football fan, check out Liverpool's.
@@cjewe1z What is more, not you, not me, not any of these journos have the first idea of the financial situation behind closed doors at Liverpool or within FSG, we simply are not party to that information, so we cannot say what is available to spend when or where, period. What we can generally suggest is that Liverpool is one of the most stable and sustainably run clubs in the league, without any FFP allegations hanging over it.
@@jamesli9380 Endo is not the level of Liverpool Football Club. If he was, Madrid would have beaten FSG Liverpool to his signature. You mofos are naive enough to believe FSG really wanted Lavia or Caicedo or even Bellingham. Not me, though. Them mofos did it to convince the fans that they are ambitious owners. And the fans were convinced. 🤣🤣🤣
@@jamesli9380 There's no trophy for stability and sustainability? The game is played on the field. Not in board rooms and stock markets. If there's no money to invest in the squad, why are FSG in it for? They are in it for their gain. Didn't Henry and his gang buy a yacht from the revenue. FSG is not a charity. They are increasing the value of their asset in order to raise the revenues. People have spoken about how shoddy the work on the stadium is. Look at what Madrid did to theirs and then come back and talk to me, son. 🤣🤣🤣
The thing is we weren't supposed to be in a title race after wholesale changes in midfield and losing arguably the best keeper in the world so for that reason we should have slipped up before now but fortunately or unfortunately it's all come at the sharp end of the season. As long as we get Cl then we've improved and the new manager will have something to work with next season.
That is a losers mentality. This is like saying arsenals season last year was a success cause they finish top 4 when they bottled the league. Truth is Liverpool have been in 3 title races in the Klopp era and failed in all attempts. When your in it your in it to win. Champion teams don’t back down. Sadly this current Liverpool team lacks the killers like mane and bobby and even the leadership of hendo and Milner. When the lights were at the brightest Liverpool have disappeared this season.
@@J_Rex25the expectation was to win Europa league, going out like that is sackable.
Good to hear the correct judgement on Nunez being put so reasonably. Thank you.
I dont think Klopp announcing that he's leaving at the end of the season was too early because if he didn't do it they would've conceded 2 penos to Chelsea. Jokes aside, I've massive respect for what Klopps done
There is no way that Liverpool should be so high in the table. They have massively overachieved so far this season with an almost entirely new midfield! Only mad people, fools and diehard Scousers actually believed that Liverpool would be Premier League title contenders. Liverpool had a couple of serious injuries earlier in the season and played a makeshift defence for five months. 🤔 Klopp has been literally forced to play 'kids' just to get fit teams out onto the pitch every three days. The Liverpool team have been literally hanging on for half of the season, in complete contrast to the way City have played. Losing their goalkeeper who is statistically off the charts and the No.1 goalkeeper in the World has made them even more vulnerable to the counterattack. The injury to Jota finally killed off their chances as he has consistently been the best finisher at the club. Those small half chances that Jota laps up are the marginal differences that are hugely significant in elite Sport.
Obviously, the draw with Man Utd, who were utterly woeful was both emotionally and psychologically draining. However, none of this recent decline was unpredictable or surprising.
There was an assumption that when key players returned from injury that it would be full steam ahead for the PL title, but understandably they have been off the pace, it takes time. Klopp should have persisted with the combination of experience and youth which saw an 83% win rate in Jan & Feb, compared with 44% since with the more established and experienced line ups!
Exactly. The youth players did very well. Klopp could have rotated them with the senior players to manage the minutes and keep the momentum of the youth going.
Yee were blessed in half them games. Cnt keep getting lucky, ye shudve lost to Forrest and plenty others!
Dear Oli Kay. Please speak into your Microphone!
God his voice is so dull
Agreed. It was a distraction from an otherwise interesting pod.
@@jhwj9617 What?
It’s almost like they’ve been massively overrated!
Bingo! They're are great team with a top manager....but they ain't Pep and City. And media and people expecting Pep like things.
@@drep9028 pep cant even do pep things. 115 charges
@@drep9028 🤫 go you back to your plastic club with no fans
All season we have been giving up goals and then chasing the game, why has this hole in defense not been addressed.
This makes us tired and fatigue leads to injury
Jurgen Flopp is a specialist in failure
Defense wins titles, but YOU HAVE TO SCORE! Gotta have more clinical strikers up top. The midfield aside from McAlister is ineffective too.
FSG Liverpool have got bargain basement players all over across the squad. That's the problem. Those second-tier internationals can win most games, but not the ones that count.
That's not what we were hearing when they were top of the league....
Macallister can't do everything. He's about the only real decent midfielder we have. Gakpo and szob, gravenberch money and endo money wasted to an extent.
@@redmed10 Sabozlai has had a great season, just missed chances lately. Fans on BBC radio 5 live called in saying Endo was bargain if the season. Gravenberch is a top talent coming from Bayern, not Hertha Berlin
Looks like KLOPP WALKED HOME ALONE 😂
The team overachieved this season by even being in a title race.
I think they have run out of steam but still always a chance.
Just try to win the next game if possible.
Man City are favorites but both Liverpool and Arsenal need to keep trying to win their games and force City to win theirs.
Don't give up yet.
Mo Salah has never been the same after his injuries during the African Cup. Too bad..
He was never worth that pay rise that upset the whole team , I'd rather have Mane and Bobby than Salah anytime, I think that mess has caused a lot of the problems last year and now this year,it put too much pressure on Klopp
@@howwwwwyyyyy But Bobby was done at Premier league level and Mane was in decline and wanted to leave.
LFC seem to be freezing and shocked. Not playing with a freedom any longer.
Sick as a chip James lad!
Wow no mention of Liverpool winning against Atalanta 5-0 away only 2 years ago in the UCL, of course they can do it as they have done as recently as 2 years ago!!
Agreed. But the context is, this team looks shot. and in an attacking sense, the lack of belief in the final third is huge. Even when we're one on one with the keeper, there's a sense we will miss.
The conference isn't there and I'd expect Atalanta to win the second leg based on the last two games.
To me, this does look like a major symptom of Klopp leaving, in the sense of the pressure, mental strains and also amount of games being played adding to this dip. However, I think in terms of the lack of progress seen in some players (example, Diaz, Gakpo, Szoboszlai, Nunez, Bradley etc), We're now out of the honeymoon phase with those players, and there are some who are better in plug and play situations like Mac Allister, Jota, Salah, Endo, VvD, Ibou. Those player's performances are less noticeable or at least declines are less impacted because they do not rely as much on receiving more coaching development. Klopp is obviously not working on a long term plan here as he is leaving, and maybe the season is too long in the sense that we're seeing what happens when a team is more thrown together than working towards an eventual shape. Next season we should see improvements in them all, as there will be a manager with a more long term idea in place, who will plan to be there for years. I think this current Liverpool team under Klopp does feel a little thrown together and some players will suffer from that, some will not. The next few years we will probably get more of an idea of who is good enough for Liverpool and who is not. It is a team after all and there will be days where not everyone is firing, but we're also not seeing the formation of a long term system here, so I feel it is making everything seem a little more aimless. I think a lot of that group could do with hearing a new voice, and a new manager might have better was to develop Darwin, Szobo, Cody and so on. I think it could be a really good thing overall and while Klopp's tenure has been incredible, I am also excited for a new start. We have a lot of lethal weapons in this side and can add more. I don't feel as doom and gloom about it because there are a lot of great coaches out there and this new set up so far looks quite good. Klopp has left an incredible group for the next manager to look at and decide with what to do. We don't need too many more pieces and I think it might not take us long to get back to competing on a major scale, once we get the right manager. And to be fair, there are many great options out there like Ruben Amorim, Sebastian Hoeness, Simeone Inzaghi, Thiago Motta, Arne Slot, Luis Enrique, Andoni Iraola, Thomas Frank.
You don't know how players will react to Klopp leaving, there's been a lot of scaremongering in the press about players even leaving , only weeks ago people were crooning about the players getting criticised now , social media doesn't help, you have people commenting who haven't even been to anfield, even the crowd has changed there due to pricing and the hoops you need to go through to just get in
I think before this month Liverpool may have had a good case for deserving to win the league. Now we’re in April. No way.
Nunez and Diaz mostly. Massively expensive, massively ineffectual.
Why only Nunez and Diaz? What about serial bottler, Salah? What about the anonymous Gakpo? (Yeah, he has improved slightly in recent games but has he had one statement game since he joined FSG Liverpool?) What about even Jota who regularly goes missing against the biggest clubs?
Let's talk about reality. Them con artists, FSG, downgraded the front three right in front of the fans eyes and the fans got excited by a little bit of 'chaos'. Well, tolerating that 'chaos' has led to complacency and now every player is missing chances.
Such lightweight analysis. The problem is that you can't go behind in 23 games in a season and expect the wheels not to come off at some point. Hopefully the new coaching team will do something about that as it's being going on since the start of last season.
Strikers will always have lean spells, happens to every club.
You're living in Fantasyland if you expect her strikers to achieve perfection
@@SW-by9ob The whole team is missing easy chances like Nunez does. That's the complacency the fans have encouraged by cheering this donkey, Nunez, on. Now, he's spread his mediocrity across the whole team.
@@rufusstewart762 Madrid fans demand perfection and they usually get it. Madrid usually winning means players want to play for them, over the likes of FSG Liverpool who can't even offer them more money to entice them.
Why did Klopp change the formula that had been so successful in Jan & Feb? There was an assumption that when key players returned from injury that it would be full steam ahead for the PL title, but understandably they have been off the pace, it takes time. Klopp should have persisted with the combination of experience and youth which saw an 83% win rate in Jan & Feb, compared with 44% since then with the more established and experienced line ups!
Finishing let us down vs. Palace but performances haven't been great all year and game management has been poor for ages under this management, so Klopp shares some of the blame for sure.
Mentality monsters are a thing of the past, I'm afraid to say.
Yep they said that after last season John.
Its a feature that liverpool get targeted in certain areas but liverpool never seem to do any targeting of opposition team players. So many times I've seen the other team play a young kid and we never target them. For example man u central defence recently.
Because they are not as good as they or people think?
Love that.
I don't think anyone expected them to be in a title race this season after where they finished last year and their complete midfield rebuild in the summer.
A top 3 finish and domestic cup would be a good season that the new coaching team can build upon.
Nunez is not a premier league level striker. Ollie Watkins much better.
Why not just say he's currently struggling? Nunez and halaand are top 6 club quality acting like Messi or bust makes you look silly
@LongLivesteph taking nunez's name in the same sentence as Messi and haaland should be a bookable offense.
@@LongLivesteph🤣🤣🤣
If Haaland is a League Two level player, what is that donkey, Nunez?
@@cjewe1z Haaland plays for the best team in world football, scores lots of goals against weaker opponents, ghosts in big games, and misses more big chances than anyone else in the premier league.
It's his overall game that Keane was commenting on, not just his finishing in the box. Nunez certainly needs to improve his finishing, but even Suarez took 2 seasons to hit his stride and decent numbers.
In fairness, I think this was just one of those games where they could've played for another half-hour and Liverpool still wouldn't have been able to score. A bad day at the office, and Palace defended like their life in the Prem depended on it (which of course, it does). It's not all doom and gloom for either Arsenal or Liverpool, plenty of season to go for things to happen for them.
“1 PL title in 9 years”😅
“Yeah and 115 charges” 😂😂😂
They have flattered to deceive for a lot of games this season mixed with some good performances. The squad is in decline and the new look midfield isn’t as strong as the old one. They would be struggling without Klopp. Interesting times ahead.
someone give me book suggestions i need to read
Not one of the FSG Liverpool attack is elite. They have been able to overpower teams because they can bring on a couple of fresh second-tier internationals to replace the second-tier international starting attackers. They can't do that now because they are either too tired from the effort from all the comebacks or not match fit after returning from injury. Have they beaten any of the top six? What happened to playing the youth players who held it down while the senior players were injured?
we beat villa twice mate
@@duyanhng8430 Who is 'we'?
Why do most of The Atheltic pundits look like they wouldn't survive a warmup for a 5 a side?
Why would they need to?
because they are journalists?
@@AfroBenJen helps to have some knowledge on the subject matter.
Moments of brilliance and perseverance are only good for so long. Systemic defensive issues, the inability to correct glaring issues, iffy recruitment, consistently missing big chances etc. It's been an issue under Klopp for years now and there's been no real progress since winning the league.
The systemic issue is FSG are a bunch of con artists who refuse to spend top-club money to make them winners. Their trophy is UCL money. The only time they spent big was when PSG helped them by signing Neymar, which led Barcelona to panic and overpay for Coutinho.
Oli Kay needs some laguage therapy
When your rivals give up on the title after you go just 2 points clear, you know you live rent-free in their heads
When you have 115 charges and no punishment from authorities in sight, you surely live rent free, boiling blood, in all Premiership teams’ heads.
@@sfscouser 1 league title in 30 years what is your excuse?
It's because Liverpool are playing like SHOITE
We haven't had the basics right for a long while. Hit and miss sums us up. Terrible first touches. Terrible passing. Means we never have any flow to our game. Its terrible to watch apart from the goals and now they have dried up it highlights all the other flaws in our game.
James Pearce is a journalist? Defining Liverpool’s loss to Arsenal as “a gift”? Seriously?
I think Klopp is a legend. He's the best Liverpool manager in my lifetime. I wonder if recency bias might affect how his tenure is viewed. The season isn't technically over yet, but it feels over to me. He's done so well, but if they don't win the league this year I think it'll be down to their poor finishing in a few games. Take the Utd game for instance. Liverpool should have buried them. At Anfield, they really could have beaten City if Diaz had been more clinical. the Arsenal game at Anfield could have gone either way I guess. But if we'd won those Utd and City games we'd be 5 points clear. The guys are right about Liverpool constantly going behind. I think Klopp's in-game management paved over the cracks on that front. So many games where we started slow, and after a few substitutions, we got it over the line. The guys put it succinctly. Too many games where they were trying to bail themselves out. Throughout a season that'll cost you. And it has.
Its the line up, sadly. As a life-long over 40 years liverpool fan, he's stubborn to play a back 3, and have 4 in midfield and 3 up top.
He insists on a back 4, attacking left and right back, in front of alisson.
You can do that, if you beat Atalanta, or had a week's rest. But, when Palace have a week's rest, and Klopp doesn't think he needs to keep it tight for the first hour, its going in circles with these points i've raised.
A sporting director would be having a word with him, whats your plan, line-up for this weekend, after Atalant'a loss at Anfield.
Palace have had week's rest, so don't you think we should keep it tight and push -up, play them at off-side game, and have your back 3 support your midfield through to attack ???
Klopp has lost us, more than he should have won us, with the resources he's had in the last 6-7 years, since 2017-2018. He's only had one way of playing, and teams which rest / get chance to rest more, will catch you out.
He's done way too many interviews, like a celebrity. Checked out, by the way he comes across in interviews, now pressure has taken its toll.
Liverpool media, and FSG should be ashamed of themselves giving the world press, a field day for 3-4 months,
Klopp has refused to learn that counter-press is not the best playmaker. The best playmaker is a playmaker. Heavy metal football is headless chicken football. FSG Liverpool don't know how to play in their own half or in the middle third. Counter-press is about giving up possession cheaply to win it high up when teams are out of shape and running at full speed to catch their opponents out. FSG Liverpool don't know how to play at a slower, controlled manner. Having said that, I don't think FSG have spent enough or recruited enough or regenerated the squad. No senior midfield signing except Thiago between 2018 and 2023 is criminal. If you talk about Klopp, talk about FSG. They are the ones who don't sign the cheques.
Completely agree!
Poor fitness and conditioning, poor training ground preparation and poor tactics. We don't stretch defenders anymore, we just try to ram through a congested 18 yard box, causing us to snap at chances and hit obstructed shots.
You can't concede sloppy opening goals in more than half your games and expect to be champions. There's raw quality there but we are too rough around the edges to go the distance.
Good riddance to Pep Ljinders, we've been on a tactical decline ever since he got cosy with Klopp.
You can tell that our backroom staff has resigned long ago. Most of them won't be at the club next season.
Selecting Endo in every game, a player who can't run, can't track runners, and gets targeted by the opposition, that's a big reason. He gives no protection infront of the defence, and is a lightweight
It's been a shocking end to Klopp's era, and Endo has his fingerprints all over it.
Exactly. A £16m defensive midfielder aged 31 signed from a relegation fodder club is going to run the midfield of six-times European Champions Liverpool Football Club? Nah... Mofos were riding his tip when he had a couple of decent performances around the turn of the year. I still wasn't convinced because FSG Liverpool didn't beat any of the top six clubs and Endo was not dictating play, as a world-class defensive midfielder should. Would he start ahead of Rodri for City? Would he start ahead of Tchouameni for Madrid? Would he start ahead of Rice for Arse'nal? He would struggle to get a place in their benches. FSG have repeatedly held the club back by not spending a little more.
How is top 3 in the PL, a domestic cup and QF in Europe "shocking" after what's gone on in the last 12 months?
@@SW-by9ob Expectations are low at FSG Liverpool, I lie? That's why Alonso rejected them. 🤣🤣🤣
@@cjewe1z He's rejected everyone to stay at Leverkusen. Good call IMHO, he's only been managing for a year and is building something special there.
@@SW-by9ob Every man has a price. If the project was compelling enough Alonso would have joined. There's a more compelling project going on at Madrid that he can prepare for by staying at Leverkusen for another year or two. Did your ever think about that? Tchouameni, Bellingham, Caicedo and Lavia all rejected the FSG Liverpool project, because it wasn't compelling enough. Are you seeing the picture or are you still deluded about what FSG do?
nothing is decided yet we have turned around 3 goals against better teams albeit at home. The league is going to be tough now if we dont win the 3 away games its over. Nunez I agree isnt ever going to be the real deal just to rough around the edges and hasnt really shown signs he will get better brilliant one moment and dross the next. Spurs is the only game that City will find a challenge but Ange ball means they will get gubbed most likely
I can't believe the narrative and the disrespect to Klopp this Liverpool team is a rebuilding team this season and poor decisions going against the team like Man city and Tottenham to say a few absolutely ridiculous narrative
No Jordan Henderson obviously 😂
Faltering my ass. Nobody even thought we'd make top 4 this season. The fact that not winning the title would be seen as a failure is just a compliment to Klopp. this whole narrative is absolutely hilarious. this is a brand new squad which for large portions of the season has been made up of children and despite all that we're 2 points from first place. if thats faltering then the rest of the league is an absolute embarassment
Mate, expectations change. Liverpool were in a position a month ago to win a quadruple. You have to admit that there has been a clear drop off which is weirdly coinciding with the majority of the first team regaining full fitness.
@@chrisgreene4999we overperformed for most of the season and now we arent anymore. its nothing unusual
@@MattMajcan Just admit that you bottled it mate. *4pts clear* and you CHOKED!
When were Liverpool ever 4 pts clear?? 🤡🥬
Oli Kay drones on abit, needs a good shake
It's over lads, get real.
All respekt to city but when liverpool play whit one rest day less than city you pay the price in the end. Liverpool pay even more 13.30 games to and less rest and of corse you have more injureds player when the top players come back from injured the dont have the rythm. THATS what liverpool have now. No energi in the team.
That's easy. Man United shook them to their knees and they can't get back up 😁 FA cup defeat wrecked them, then they can't get it done AGAIN in the next game against a rubbish United side - and I'm a United fan. At this rate you're "legendary" manager is about to end up with the same silverware we had last season after all the talk of leagues and everything else. Klopp is a second place specialist. He knows his place 😉
is this meant to make people angry or bait comments? lol
Top 4 and a trophy is fine. Look how many players left the club last summer and look at the amount of injuries Liverpool have had. Also some very dodgy decisions in key games. Nunez is a waste of space too. Jota getting injured was a, huge loss.
it’s not too bad but getting battered by atalanta at home is just not it, that’s just unacceptable, atalanta aint even nowhere near the top of seria A
Is is Liverpool. It is Europe.
What a load of rubbish.
Real Madrid has 14 CLs.
Why? Because hes good but not as good as theyve talked him up to be maybe? Liverpool did finsih 5th last season
Having gotten within 2 games of winning a quadruple the season before and consistently being he only team to actually challenge Man City during Pep's reign. We could still win a treble this season FFS, nothing has been decided yet.
@@SW-by9obThat's why Klopp is very good.... But "challenge" and match are 2 very very different things. Even if Liverpool does win 2 this season (stop counting Europa league a treble), that would not be matching City. Also Arteta challenged as well 2 yrs in a row.
@@drep9028 Man City are playing a different game both on and off the pitch.
Arteta hasn't gotten within 1 point of a 90+ point scoring City on multiple occasions. He got within 5 points last season and only because City had a weak season by their usual standards .
A treble is winning 3 trophies in a season (excluding the Community Shield or WCC). If you're not counting the EL then why not also ignore the Carabao?
@@SW-by9obif you're top of the league for 80% of a season and only dropped to 2nd within the final 7 or so games....that's challenging. Since when is challenging defined as to coming within 1 point? 😕
@@SW-by9ob you know why Europa league isn't counted. Same that club world cup isn't counted. Furthermore the carabo cup is v the best your domestic league has to offer. Europa Europa league isn't v the best Europe has to offer
get real klopp is a flop one prem in nine years is a joke
Wrong. FSG are a flop. One PL and one UCL in fourteen seasons under FSG is laughable. Being outspent by the likes of newly-promoted Nottingham Forest is laughable. We're talking about six-times European Champions Liverpool Football Club. This is how they run the club. 🤣🤣🤣
Hard to beat the 115 charges team
That's 1 more than anyone has managed against MC during that period? Take their blatant cheating out of the equation and he'd have won at least 4.
@@cjewe1z They run it like a business rather than a billionaires play thing, hence why we don't have any FFP issues like so many other clubs.
@@SW-by9ob So, do they run the club debt-free? Football is not played in board rooms and stock markets. FSG have been holding the club back for five years now. They have taken the club as far as their penny-pinching will allow. The time for them to relinquish is at least four years overdue.
8th season syndrome.
Ahh, the comments section! Gleefully half-populated by those who don't like Liverpool very much and who probably once drunkenly sang 'it's never your faul' and something about Andy Carroll but actually support a team who would give their right arm to be in a title race. The other half are LFC supporting doom merchants keen to peddle their own theories as to why 'the wheels have come off'.
There's no need for Athletic-ish faux philosophy, if anyone watched us against United or Palace it is quite clearly an inability to force the ball across the line by any which way. Bad finishing, bad form.
The elephant in the room of the VAR robbery that has already happened to Liverpool (the chest kick against City, the basketball move against Arsenal, the total incompetence at Spurs) actually means there shouldn't even BE much of a title race at this point, but hey, who needs facts to get in the way of a good narrative?
I didn't you mention the lack of a world-class defensive midfielder in your philosophical rant? I could write an essay about the numerous institutional and structural problems at FSG Liverpool. The club is being run like a mid-table club but them con artists.
@@cjewe1z Is this irony? Tell me you are not serious and you are still thinking we should have actually got Caicedo and Lavia etc?! Or is it now Endo has had one or two bad games that the knife goes in. I didnt rant at all, it was more a weary dismissal of the handwringing that is going on. If you ever want evidence of the fickleness of the modern football fan, check out Liverpool's.
@@cjewe1z What is more, not you, not me, not any of these journos have the first idea of the financial situation behind closed doors at Liverpool or within FSG, we simply are not party to that information, so we cannot say what is available to spend when or where, period. What we can generally suggest is that Liverpool is one of the most stable and sustainably run clubs in the league, without any FFP allegations hanging over it.
@@jamesli9380 Endo is not the level of Liverpool Football Club. If he was, Madrid would have beaten FSG Liverpool to his signature. You mofos are naive enough to believe FSG really wanted Lavia or Caicedo or even Bellingham. Not me, though. Them mofos did it to convince the fans that they are ambitious owners. And the fans were convinced. 🤣🤣🤣
@@jamesli9380 There's no trophy for stability and sustainability? The game is played on the field. Not in board rooms and stock markets. If there's no money to invest in the squad, why are FSG in it for? They are in it for their gain. Didn't Henry and his gang buy a yacht from the revenue. FSG is not a charity. They are increasing the value of their asset in order to raise the revenues. People have spoken about how shoddy the work on the stadium is. Look at what Madrid did to theirs and then come back and talk to me, son. 🤣🤣🤣
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Because he is a bottler
We Are Liverpool, and we do not know any other way. YNWA
"We"? What way do you know? Are you FSG? Are you Liverpool Football Club? Are you Liverpool the city?
By “we”, I meant your mum and me. 😗
@@TheDevilishFiend You keep my mum out of this and I'll keep my piece out of your mum.
@@TheDevilishFiend You keep my mum out of this and I'll keep my piece out of your mum.
No liverpool fans should ever subscribe or listen to Athletic
why?
Hii
The fans let the team down at Anfield on Sunday and Thursday....