Junior Jedi was my first Star Wars book series, starting there definitely made some of the storylines during the New Jedi Order and beyond much darker.
EckhartsLadder I have a question about something that has been bugging me for a while. I don’t know if it really has a good answer, but I think it’s worth asking. In “The Last Jedi” we see a ship use it’s hyperspace drive to crash into a first order ship and absolutely destroy it. However, in Rogue One we see some ships jumping to hyperspace crash into Vader’s star destroyer at the battle of scarif, and nothing happens, not even a dent. So is there an explanation to this? Or am I just overthinking it
Reminds me of Anakin's first battle with Ventress on Yavin 4 where she fell off a massive Cliff only to survive and Menace him for years to come even giving him his signature scar. never trust a fall to take out a force-user
The lines from the book were better. If you look at the over all story arc, Luke did let her fall and for a very long time. Luke " Why did you murder my wife ?" Lumy " Cause you tried to save everyone but me !"
"Demons run when a good man goes to war. Night will fall and drown the sun. When a good man goes to war. Friendship dies and true love lies. When a good man goes to war."
@@vitorkennedy1862 Give me Saba Sebantine. But yeah, people talk about how there were no cool females in Star Wars Legends, but completely neglect Jaina Solo, Saba Sebantine, and Mara Jade.
MrWilsonxD How exactly, do you really think that these actors in their 60s and 70s are going to start praising their roles as leading main characters fighting an epic battles? Besides, at this point almost everything interesting from the legends era will have already happened.
@@williamparcell9197 More than that. In Luke's mind, him letting Lumiya live is what led to his wife's murder. In that split moment when he saves her from falling, he probably thought "How much more will she take from me? Leia, Han, their kids? Ben? No, she won't."
@@williamparcell9197 They could have gotten around that misunderstanding if they instead show Luke entering a vision, were he is seeing what Ben will do, feel all the pain he will cause, or maybe just feeling it, and then suddenly he sees Kylo Ren coming to attack him, and he instinctively activated his lightsaber to defend himself. The the vision ends, and he sees he he has activated his Lightsaber, with Ben looking at him terrified. He is about to apologize and deactivate his lightsaber, realizing his mistake, but Ben took the situation out of context, and summoned his Lightsaber, attacking Luke. Luke quickly tries to explain, but in his rage, Ben taps into the dark side, his raw power bringing down the building around them. That is what I would have done in that scene. Once seeing his destroyed Jedi Order, he feels incredible grief, but didn't give up. He went on a man hunt, trying to locate Ben, hoping that despite everything, he could turn him away from the path he was on. But by the time he tracked Ben down, he was already Kylo Ren, and when Like explained his situation, he failed. Ben had been angry at him for a long time, it wasn't just him raising his light saber on him. Everyone had always told him what to do, always chose who he was. He was Ben Solo, son of Rebellion hero Han Solo, and Leia Organs, nephew to Luke Skywalker, everyone knew who he was, what he was going to be. But that wasn't what he wanted to be. He could never chose. But Smoke gave him that choice, he allowed him to be something different than what everyone though he was, even if that thing was awful. This, is my sequence of events.
@@aleistersatrjan5322 several reasons. She botched her first duel with Luke, was never fully trained, lost her first Apprentice Carnor Jax, was utterly crushed by Luke in their final duel and her actions led to the final extinction of the Rule of Two Sith. She failed to take control of the galaxy or revive the Sith and destroy the Jedi. In literally every category she was a resounding failure.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Lumiya and Jacen were the last gasp of the Rule of Two. The Sith that came after them were either the remnants of the original Sith of the Great Hyperspace War, or Darth Krayt's One Sith.
Mara's death was probably the most heartbreaking moment for me in Legends. Second to that is Siri Tachi's death. Legends had some amazing characters that will sadly never see the light again.
Yeah all they had to do was draw a little bit from legends here and there and they would have had an awesome series unlike what Disney did. It's like these idiots didn't even like Star wars and went out of their way to push the whole girl power thing. I'm not against girls or women in power in the slightest But the way they made Ray was just ridiculous.especially how she defeated the emperor that was able to kill both of them in a minute. Apparently all she needed was two lightsabers
Mara was one of my 3 favorite characters............I promise it had nothing to do with her being a badass redhead..........ok maybe a little bit.....XD
@@Kolonol1 Mara is my favourite too Disney fucked up in replacing a great character with a trashy one, some characters don't need to be anything other than what they are and if Disney wants strong female characters they should look no further than Jade,Period.
"Oaths matter, Luke. They're all you're left with in the end" Lumiya Important note:Lumiya sacrificed herself by taking responsibility for Mara's death, so as to buy Jacen time. Also Luke didn't act out of Justice, this action was most definitely vengeance. That's why he didn't confront Jacen directly, as he felt this had "tainted" him.
EU: "Luke refuses to kill most anyone, even his most hated enemy. And when he did he was entirely justified" Disney: "Let's have him try kill his nephew in his sleep"
@@jamesallen17592 You are aware he states specifically in said video that Luke refused to kill her multiple times even though she had essentially torn apart his family. And only did so once he believed she killed his wife.
@@obliviousicarus The same way Luke agreed to train Ben Solo for years despite knowing the dark side risks because he only saw the potential benefits of raising him to knighthood. And was only tempted by violence when he realised Ben already had a plan to kill his entire order and destroy his family. There's a similar moment in Fury where Jacen (who he doesn't know is the killer) threatens his students and he instinctively reaches for his lightsaber. The two portrayals are far more similar than many claim.
He didn't try to, though. He thought about doing this. Big difference. I've fantasized about killing certain assholes mutltiples times, but i have yet once to commit an attempted murder.
And look at canon Luke who acts like a coward and a uncaring swine. And his Jedi Order in Legends was different from the Old Jedi Order and Disney just threw it away saying "Screw you give me money." *Not My Luke Skywalker*
@@thorshammer7883 the EU Luke was complete shit. I'm glad this story isnt canon. You say the sequels are bad but what about the palpatine clone that turned like to the dark side or chewie being crushed by a moon or the retarded descendants of luke and leia
@@rohan6900 I actually enjoy the EU Luke, especially the interactions he had with his son in the "Fate of the Jedi" series. I can't say for the palpatine clone saga as my first jump into the EU was the Thrawn campaign followed by the New Jedi Order.
Luke took pure revenge that was completely justified and still retained his light as a jedi. Bringing confirmation that you can be a true Jedi and still have emotions without being "Gray" or turning to the dark.
The Jedi can feel emotions to the point of anger, but these by channeling it and aiming for a goal of justice can keep their light within them, the Jedi sentinel are an example and, Plo Koon being one of the best known, which was also a user of the forbidden ability known as electric judgment, which channels the wrath of the Jedi to form electric rays however this was to perform an act of justice as a goal
@@ignisterr.9418 Electric Judgement comes from a place of calm and a kind of desire to see justice carried out. It's not about wrath, as when the Jedi Council questioned Plo about it, he told them that he felt no Dark Side emotions when using the power.
No he killed in anger. Had he not done that he would have been able to handle Jacen later without running the risk of going dark himself. The novels are quite explicit on this, killing Lumiya was the closest he came to the dark ever since the Palpatine clone fiasco.
I don’t know much about Lumia. However Luke’s decision here is correct. If he didn’t do that, she would’ve come back to kill again. I’m all for forgiveness and mercy but there are times that you need to kill your enemy. Why? Because sometimes they don’t want “forgiveness”, they want pure chaos.
@@Steel-101 Yeah but not this time. Lumiya set herself up as Mara’s killer to buy Jacen a few months of his family not knowing it was really him. Luke never really investigated, he just assumed Lumiya murdered his wife and ended up killing her in a very un-Jedi like way. In this case she wasn’t trying to kill anyone, at least directly. Turns out this kept Luke from being able to confront Jacen later because that killing in anger brought him perilously close to the Dark Side.
Also Disney: instead let's have luke completely forget everything he learned and destroy his character while making him drink alien tit milk!! that's kid friendly!!
@@delta2372 Yea he never forgot what he learned. It was either a different situation or a lesson he failed to learn. Nothing in it destroyed his character. Then again I bet you've no idea what the name Campbell has to do with SW, or why that's important to this convo. But keep up the salt true fans love things even when its not what we expected.
@@madhatter1057 luke tried to kill his nephew all because he sent abit of evil on him when in ROTJ he went on a suicide mission to save his father. They fucked his character you shill, why don't you go back to that garbage TLJ movie, you strike me as one of the shills who liked that pile of shit.
@@delta2372 yea it was not a bit of evil. It was literally the exact opposite of Vader that he sensed. He sensed Vader acted evil and had a lot of hate but had light at the core despite the evil around him. His nephew on the other handed was acting good but had an ever-deepening pit of blackness in him despite all the good around him. So in order to stop something evil, he reacted for a moment. But stopped himself. He did not try to kill him he thought about it. If he tried to kill him he would have swung the blade and dueled him. But he did not. Sorry but even Jedi have moments of impulse and weakness and Luke is known to act impulsively and emotionally to save people like you know everything he worked to build which he saw Kylo destroying. But keep trying Like I said you could not even tell me why Campbell is vital to this convo. Keep up the salt I have fries cooking and will need it later.
@@delta2372 I agree with Mad Hatter, but he is kind of a douchebag. Feel free to hate TLJ, but don't act like it's complete garbage that nobody can like. There is balance in it, great stuff with bad stuff, it's just a ton of mediocre stuff with a gem inside to me. I love the Luke, Rey and Kylo stuff, but everything else is bland, though still visually interesting and trying to add new things to Star Wars.
*In short words:* Mess with a Skywalker's family and they'll make sure that you never be able to see the sunlight again. *EDIT:* Gonna add another comment. This event act as parallel with Anakin. Upon the death of his mother, he went of killing spree and destroyed an entire group of sandriders. He was manipulated of his fear about Padme's death and brough towards the Dark Side by a Sith Lord, Darth Sidious. *Sounds familiar?* Dead wife or lost a family member. Sith Lord manipulates a young jedi towards the Dark Side. Revenge against the dead of loved one. The Skywalker get revenge.
All things considered, Lumiya won in her quest to do as much damage to the Skywalkers as possible, Jacen became a sith, killed Luke's wife, and more or less caused an entire galactic civil war that staggered Galactic relations between former allies for decades. She knew she was going to die, but did so to leave a wake of destruction behind.
@@tuskinradar8688 A parallel with Anakin, when he lost his mother. Caused the death of entire group of sandriders and was brough towards the Dark Side by Emperor, by manipulating his love for Padme.
One of my favorite scenes is Jacen showing up to the funeral of Mara Jade and Luke being the one that allows him to stay. One of the saddest and most powerful scenes in my mind as Luke just could not fathom that Jacen could ever kill Mara. While everyone else there, were pretty certain that Jacen had killed her.
@@mattdawg83686 You didn't catch the meaning of that statement. He is referring about the expanded potential in Luke Skywalker as character within the series.
@@stevecollins5487 If I may expand... I get super tired of everyone overthinking everything. Early concept art for X-wing HAD to become the Z95 Headhunter, etc... And Disney way overthought the Whills. A 1970's interview with Lucas hinted that the Whills were recording history in their journals. They where interviewing R2-D2. THIS should be the anchor for Star Wars. In Episode 1, 3PO was made by Anakin (I felt a bit lame) but R2 already was. Lucas used the droids as the witnesses to great events. Disney, Darth Kennedy actually, screwed up everything but sidelining C-3PO and practically eliminating R2-D2 (you know, Luke's trusted travel companion...). Gotta admit, to me BB-8 sucks. But R2, who will live for at least hundreds of years more, is my favorite sassy character, sometimes even more than Luke. He is the through thread of the episodic Skywalker centered movies. What trash the sequels are. Bring on the history of R2-D2, ultimate droid of the galaxy!
A little story about me. Half a year ago i was an usual guy who watched all SW films and CW series. But one day i finally wanted to read Thrawn Trilogy. It made me crazy and i started to read all books of post-endorial EU in chronological order and then i had read nearly 70 books during 4 months, but i was stopped by a book which was not translated into Russian. I was excited because in the book were described events of this video and i couldn't miss these events. Specifically for this task i started to learn English, and i discovered that the Russian SW community in the majority likes sequels, while the English community likes EU. Now i consume a lot of English content in the internet and i'm very happy that i discovered a big part of content i haven't seen before. Sorry for mistakes, i still don't very good at English, translate into English more difficult than into Russian.
No clue because its a mess and very inconsistent. Also it has the same power scaling BS as dbz if not worse. Also don't read the uzong crap since it goes on for way too long. The fact they are basically a star trek race and that they're op to the point that it's retarded makes them even worse.
@@mariobadia4553 Why respond then? What's the point of spewing something incorrect about something you yourself admit you know nothing about? Just wondering...
Legacy Era was amazing. I really miss those novels. Please do more. It makes me angry that Disney killed any chances of extending the Legacy Era novels.
@@mleadenham1 Having a moon dropped on you saving a child is the best death imaginable for Chewie. Everything decent in Star Wars is tied back to 40k. And I'd take the Emperor reaching the Pinnacle of power in the dark side through clones that disintegrated from his sheer sheeviness over the non villain Snoke any day. I will concede the crystal star point though. That was bad.
@@mleadenham1 chewies death while sad was a epic ending for him And it does make sence to kill bnb important characters sometimes or the stories start to lose any sense of danger Oh their in trouble again wonder how they will get out Chewie, anakin, mara all tragic but epic ends
4:39 legends Luke couldn’t bring himself to kill until they pushed him to the very edge of sanity Cannon Luke was ready to kill when someone had a bad dream
I think the original Jedi code of not having a family would drive somebody crazy. I mean look what happens to Catholic priests. I'm not being stupid it's not normal to not have a mate or children. It can cause serious deviant behavior as we've already seen. I never understood how they expected a Jedi not to have any attachments but they would protect life. Honestly they would have no scope of what they were protecting and why if they were taught not to love anything. Attachment may be the shadow of greed and jealousy to the dark side but you know what I would rather be a gray or a dark than never know what love is.
I point to this scene and the fact that Luke refused to go after Jacen afterwards whenever someone says that him trying to kill Kylo goes against his character
read more into the series, specifically revelation and invincible. luke very much wants to go after caedus, to the point that he has to send jaina because he wants it so bad. just as he chooses not to kill kylo. same character, same flaws and strengths.
@@ltb1345but what is the difference to the force? how many has kylo slaughtered because luke stayed his hand? how many did caedus slaughter because luke stayed his hand?
I definitely like this content. It’s funny, I had a very different perspective when I read the Legacy of the Force. It seemed to me that it was actually Mara who initially convinced Luke that he was overreacting to Jacen’s behavior. Why she didn’t speak to Luke after she found the truth is a whole separate question, but I didn’t find this to be a hesitation as much on Luke’s part. He was the very first to become concerned about Jacen, but quite a few people, including Mara, disagreed
I agree in a way, it was definitely Mara initially, but for some reason (based on my reading anyway!) that Luke changes his tune and is unwilling to see the fall of Jacen -- he sort of attaches to this idea that it was just Lumiya corrupting him. Even after Mara's death, for a while.
chris sonofpear1 For sure. It was just a huge contrast to me when I read the books for the first time. I had long since heard that this was a failure on Luke’s part, a hesitance to act, and that wasn’t what it seemed like to me. Doesn’t mean other people are wrong, it’s just my opinion
They both made errors, from what I could see. But Jacen's ambiguity seemed spelt out since Swarm War, so clearly warning signs were there. Guess things stabilised.
chris sonofpear1 I hear. They were also swayed because Jacen was able to get Ben to open himself back up to the Force when they hadn’t been able to. Luke definitely made a mistake, I just don’t think it was entirely Luke’s.
Lest we forget Luke's interaction with Jacen in a later novel, when the boy was foolish enough to taunt him about Mara's murder and Luke's display of force power made him instantly regret it.
Sure but imagine how strong Jacen would have become had he lived a few more years..He wasnt very far from Lukes level..and they had how many years difference 20-25?
@@2Times22Jacen didn’t have the force sensitivity that Luke had. Even his brother Anakin was far stronger in the force than he and Jaina. Him becoming a sith gives him a power boost but no one comes close to Luke, he just holds back because of his kindness
LotF is one of my favourite series of all time. A lot of people kinda call it lame or whatever, but I thought the series was emotional, deep, and powerful, and the character development all throughout the series speaks volumes about the scale and severity of events depicted in the series.
Just like people say about Chewie, Anakin Solo or those who actually like NJO - about Jacen. There will always be moments we don't loke, but characters dying makes the syory more impactful. Either it was Mara or Han himself, or both. They went with option 1
Regarding Nebula vs Pellaeon i can say that the Nebula would stomp. It heavily outguns the Pellaeon, has a better Hyperdrive and more starfighters at its desposal.
Ironically, it was Luke who was the one who saw Jacen darkening, and Mara had tried to ignore it because Jacen had helped Ben overcome his fear of the Force.
Honestly, people complain about this scene, but its honestly the only realistic way Luke was ever going to touch the dark side again in his later years. And honestly, Luke's silent rage with Lumiya is nearly as terrifying as Vader. You could imagine his fury when he looks down on Lumiya and calmly says "I'd never let you fall." Probably one of my favorite scenes with Luke in the EU, despite the occasional flaws.
Mara also thought Jacen was conflicted by love. Mara and Luke both knew Lumiya was influencing things - whether through Jacen or not. Only until Ben found out the truth and told his mom. Because of that - in the end - Luke blames lumiya because lumiya only wanted her to be seen in this - not Jacen. Luke did not find out whom killed Mara almost immediately. It took rescuing his soon after events later that the truth came out. Because of his revenge on lumiya - Luke stepped back from pursuing Darth Caedus because it made him weak. He knew he’d fall to the dark side if he did.
Damn I'm mad I didn't think of that one that was funny. I don't even include those new movies as Canon in my mind. They are clusterfucks!!!!! I think they should redo it as a cartoon like they did with the clone wars and it would be 10 times more powerful with the fan than that crap. It was easy to cheer for Luke because he went through a massive transformation and earned everything he got. To have him a bit older old man on an island was just a big f*** you to us! Luke was the one that brought Darth Vader back He would have never done that. Mark Hamill said he completely disagreed with what the director thought that Luke should be like but he's a professional so he did what he was told. If the original Luke Skywalker is telling you you're screwing up that guy should have listened. I would have loved to seen a version of a trilogy that Mark Hamill would have directed himself I think that would have been three Oscars in a row
An interesting vid as ever Eckhart, I for one would definitely like to see more on the Legacy era of Star Wars lore as it's easily my least versed time period and in many ways I think one of the most fascinating, if for no other reason than the highly advanced starships and fighters that were created like the Imperious-class, X-83 TwinTail, or Ardent frigate.
Great episode please do more legacy stories and if possible tales of the jedi that series was very interesting and I'd love to hear your take on the characters and events.
Luke will always try to redeem his enemies, he believes every one desvers a second chance and no one is beyond saving it's what makes him the greatest jedi that ever lived and why despite agreeing that Darth Caedus had to be killed he couldn't do it
Great video, never read those series of books. Seems like a compelling story, I love how well some of the Legends books were written. The Thrawn series of books were great as well. Mara Jade was one of my favourite newcomers, after the movies. Looking to more video Eck.
I think this serves as a decent case that a "middle of the road" grey Jedi isn't an answer to the light side/dark side struggle. All a grey Jedi is...is either: 1. A recluse like Bindo, completely apathetic to the going on in the Galaxy. Doing nothing while people suffer. 2. A light sider like Luke or Qui Gon who freely allows attachment with others, which only serve as temptations into the dark side when shit goes wrong.
I think you have that backwards pal. Grey Jedi are the exact answer to the struggle between light and dark. The dark sith cause death and destruction, while the light jedi try so hard to purge the dark side, they end up creating more sith to try and destroy them. They key is destroy both the light and the dark and leave only the middle
@@fireblast8972 Untrue. Grey Jedi are nothing more than regular jedi with more puppet strings to exploit. All it takes is one push. A loved dying, and down the dark path they go.
@@lololol924 or they properly learn how to handle such loss, something that neither the jedi or sith teach, where they get angry about it, but don't go murder-crazy.
@@fireblast8972 Not gonna happen m9. Nobody is immune to grief, and the irrationally that accompanies it. You can try to teach it on a large scale, but guaranteed that you will inadvertently introduce more fallen Jedi than ever into the Galaxy.
@@lololol924 that's just it, because the jedi basically repress the emotions of their members, it leaves them unable to properly handle them. If the jedi simply taught how to handle grief in a healthy way, they wouldn't have to turn the second things go wrong. Don't you think Anakin could've avoided turning if he was just able to just talk with obi wan about his Padme problem without a green muppet going "Don't get attached"? The jedi order doomed themselves by repressing basic human emotions
You didn't mention that Lumiya was a failed love interest to Luke and the motivation behind her eventually falling to the dark side and why. Lumiya is an interesting character that deserves a video of her own, a tough life,contant failure and being discarded by all she knew. What happened to her is understandable and how she wanted revenge is also understandable, eventually becoming more machine than human due to battle injury.Vader was no different and the books judge Lumiya a bit too harshly in comparison. It's also worth a mention that Luke was ashamed of the depth of the hate he had and even regretted killing Lumiya ,which had to be done,another lesson even for the Grand Master of the Jedi.
Can you tell the story of how luke piloted a stealth-X though the middle of Jacen's forces and then used the force to start pulling apart Jacen's fighter like a bug? That or the story of Wraith Squadron.
What made her death even more gut wrenching was her relationship with Jacen. She was the one that got him to take his training seriously when he was a young teen. He went from a casual force user who used his powers as a crutch to do menial chores like lifting boxes to actually understanding the meaning of becoming a Jedi. He took her words to heart and made it his Jedi credo to never use the force unless absolutely necessary and above all never kill a living creature with the force. This caused him to convince his brother, Anakin Solo, later on not to use the force to kill the Yusong Vong in one shot with Centerpoint station before they had a chance to invade. Then his brother was killed by the Yusong Vong. This was a catalyst in his turn to the dark side and a little bit of him goes back to the teachings of Mara as blame for his brother's death. So it all comes full circle.
yeah, the Legacy of the Force era was pretty dark and I loved it. And ultimately ends up with Jaina becoming an only child and Luke and Ben being exiled
@@reaperking7748 I know it's been months, but Luuke Skywalker was turned to the Dark Side by Joruus C'baoth, a dark side clone (Created by Palpatine, of course) of an actual Jedi Master (Jorus C'baoth). The original Jorus died in the Outbound Flight attack.
That's pretty well what I just said in another comment I completely agree with you. I don't know you but I know you and I could have made a better trilogy in one night on a pizza box than Disney did!!! I would have liked to have seen what Mark Hamill would have done if he was in control of the trilogy. I bet that would have been something to watch
Does anybody remember the part in Return of the Jedi, when Luke just opened a can of whop-ass on Darth Vader to the point that Vader was missing a hand and collapsed on the floor. Luke has the Skywalker temper, yet he has only un-leashed twice. Once when his sister was threatened and the second was to avenge his wife. For anyone who thinks Luke is weak read this series and take it in.
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I love Legacy of the Force, own all the books. I’d be hype to see you cover them
Junior Jedi was my first Star Wars book series, starting there definitely made some of the storylines during the New Jedi Order and beyond much darker.
EckhartsLadder I have a question about something that has been bugging me for a while. I don’t know if it really has a good answer, but I think it’s worth asking. In “The Last Jedi” we see a ship use it’s hyperspace drive to crash into a first order ship and absolutely destroy it. However, in Rogue One we see some ships jumping to hyperspace crash into Vader’s star destroyer at the battle of scarif, and nothing happens, not even a dent. So is there an explanation to this? Or am I just overthinking it
Please dude do a vs of caedus vs any of the old sith even Vader and sideous also cover how luke fucking dominated jacen
When will the next twitch stream be?
Luke: "I'd never let you fall."
Inner Luke: I mean, you could possibly survive that, and *I need to make sure you're dead this time.*
I mean "I did shoot you down once and you survived that."
2000 IQ
Reminds me of Anakin's first battle with Ventress on Yavin 4 where she fell off a massive Cliff only to survive and Menace him for years to come even giving him his signature scar. never trust a fall to take out a force-user
Gooooooooooood do it!
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Yep, makes sense!
"I'd never let you fall"
One of my favourite quote in Star Wars. It was chilling to see Luke in that state of hatred.
The lines from the book were better.
If you look at the over all story arc, Luke did let her fall and for a very long time.
Luke " Why did you murder my wife ?"
Lumy " Cause you tried to save everyone but me !"
There’s a quote from Doctor Who that goes with this quite well
“When a good man goes to war”
"Demons run when a good man goes to war.
Night will fall and drown the sun.
When a good man goes to war.
Friendship dies and true love lies.
When a good man goes to war."
David Meyer Thanks, I couldn’t remember all of it
This sounds like something someone would use in one of those edgy Facebook posts from 2013
Dank Duck Actually the Quote came from an episode in 2011
Dear God yes
Gentlemen the one and only grandmaster of the new jedi order Luke Skywalker in all his glorious rage.
This new Disney Canon nonsense. Give me Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin please, gimme Amelia, Gimme Mara Jade-SKYWALKER, Gimme the Yuzhan Vong!
@@Wren4123 you forgot Starkiller and Kyle Katarn.
@@vitorkennedy1862 Give me Saba Sebantine. But yeah, people talk about how there were no cool females in Star Wars Legends, but completely neglect Jaina Solo, Saba Sebantine, and Mara Jade.
@@CrazyYanmega saba sabatine she was a strong woman.
MrWilsonxD How exactly, do you really think that these actors in their 60s and 70s are going to start praising their roles as leading main characters fighting an epic battles? Besides, at this point almost everything interesting from the legends era will have already happened.
And they say Legends Luke isn't interesting. This is how you break Luke's no-murder rule.
Yes. I can buy Luke snapping after his wife is murdered. Can't buy he'd nearly murder his sleeping nephew because he sensed darkness into him.
@@williamparcell9197 More than that. In Luke's mind, him letting Lumiya live is what led to his wife's murder. In that split moment when he saves her from falling, he probably thought "How much more will she take from me? Leia, Han, their kids? Ben? No, she won't."
True. Sure heroes can change but for their core values to shift, they'd need to be utterly shaken.
“I’d never let you fall.” *cuts off Lumiya’s head*
@@williamparcell9197 They could have gotten around that misunderstanding if they instead show Luke entering a vision, were he is seeing what Ben will do, feel all the pain he will cause, or maybe just feeling it, and then suddenly he sees Kylo Ren coming to attack him, and he instinctively activated his lightsaber to defend himself.
The the vision ends, and he sees he he has activated his Lightsaber, with Ben looking at him terrified. He is about to apologize and deactivate his lightsaber, realizing his mistake, but Ben took the situation out of context, and summoned his Lightsaber, attacking Luke.
Luke quickly tries to explain, but in his rage, Ben taps into the dark side, his raw power bringing down the building around them. That is what I would have done in that scene.
Once seeing his destroyed Jedi Order, he feels incredible grief, but didn't give up. He went on a man hunt, trying to locate Ben, hoping that despite everything, he could turn him away from the path he was on. But by the time he tracked Ben down, he was already Kylo Ren, and when Like explained his situation, he failed.
Ben had been angry at him for a long time, it wasn't just him raising his light saber on him. Everyone had always told him what to do, always chose who he was. He was Ben Solo, son of Rebellion hero Han Solo, and Leia Organs, nephew to Luke Skywalker, everyone knew who he was, what he was going to be.
But that wasn't what he wanted to be. He could never chose. But Smoke gave him that choice, he allowed him to be something different than what everyone though he was, even if that thing was awful.
This, is my sequence of events.
Dooku sums up my thoughts on Lumiya.
"A failed apprentice makes for a foolish master."
Dooku met lumiya?
@@johnchukwudum673 No, though if he had he'd likely have found her a disappointment. I was referencing a quote he used on Ventress in the CW cartoon.
I can't see how Lumya was a foolish master. She did all she wanted to do.
@@aleistersatrjan5322 several reasons. She botched her first duel with Luke, was never fully trained, lost her first Apprentice Carnor Jax, was utterly crushed by Luke in their final duel and her actions led to the final extinction of the Rule of Two Sith. She failed to take control of the galaxy or revive the Sith and destroy the Jedi. In literally every category she was a resounding failure.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Lumiya and Jacen were the last gasp of the Rule of Two. The Sith that came after them were either the remnants of the original Sith of the Great Hyperspace War, or Darth Krayt's One Sith.
Luke and Mara Jade were a Badass Jedi Couple
Would have been nice to see even a tiny bit of it in the movies but fuck you! WE NEED TO SEE CANTO BYTE
Tim Bartsch They are easily one of my favorite Star Wars couples of all time, rivaled only by Darth Revan and Bastila Shan.
@@kevinnorwood8782
Nice
The best.Mara Jade and Luke were awesome.
Luke was a really lucky guy in Legends
Mara's death was probably the most heartbreaking moment for me in Legends. Second to that is Siri Tachi's death. Legends had some amazing characters that will sadly never see the light again.
Yeah all they had to do was draw a little bit from legends here and there and they would have had an awesome series unlike what Disney did. It's like these idiots didn't even like Star wars and went out of their way to push the whole girl power thing. I'm not against girls or women in power in the slightest But the way they made Ray was just ridiculous.especially how she defeated the emperor that was able to kill both of them in a minute. Apparently all she needed was two lightsabers
Anakin Solo's death tho
Hadn't he died, maybe he could have saved Jacen
Mara was one of my 3 favorite characters............I promise it had nothing to do with her being a badass redhead..........ok maybe a little bit.....XD
@@Kolonol1 Mara is my favourite too Disney fucked up in replacing a great character with a trashy one, some characters don't need to be anything other than what they are and if Disney wants strong female characters they should look no further than Jade,Period.
@@andreaskaniclides5167 I mean who better than a babe of a redhead who kicks ass and the only time she ever actually loses creates such a huge impact
"Oaths matter, Luke. They're all you're left with in the end" Lumiya
Important note:Lumiya sacrificed herself by taking responsibility for Mara's death, so as to buy Jacen time.
Also Luke didn't act out of Justice, this action was most definitely vengeance. That's why he didn't confront Jacen directly, as he felt this had "tainted" him.
Roses are red
Life is full of strife
This is how
Luke brutally avenged his wife
Roses are red
Violets are blue
She might survive the fall
No head that shall do
EU: "Luke refuses to kill most anyone, even his most hated enemy. And when he did he was entirely justified"
Disney: "Let's have him try kill his nephew in his sleep"
You are aware you literally wrote that on a video about EU Luke executing an unarmed prisoner out of revenge, right?
@@jamesallen17592 You are aware he states specifically in said video that Luke refused to kill her multiple times even though she had essentially torn apart his family. And only did so once he believed she killed his wife.
@@obliviousicarus The same way Luke agreed to train Ben Solo for years despite knowing the dark side risks because he only saw the potential benefits of raising him to knighthood. And was only tempted by violence when he realised Ben already had a plan to kill his entire order and destroy his family.
There's a similar moment in Fury where Jacen (who he doesn't know is the killer) threatens his students and he instinctively reaches for his lightsaber. The two portrayals are far more similar than many claim.
He didn't try to, though. He thought about doing this. Big difference. I've fantasized about killing certain assholes mutltiples times, but i have yet once to commit an attempted murder.
LOL DISNEY IS RETARDED
And people say Luke didn't have any character arc in Legends. smh.
Well, it was hard for them to find any characters to take up his mantle, and younger generation were often less in the shadow or killed off.
And look at canon Luke who acts like a coward and a uncaring swine.
And his Jedi Order in Legends was different from the Old Jedi Order and Disney just threw it away saying "Screw you give me money."
*Not My Luke Skywalker*
@@thorshammer7883 written like baby's first youtube comment lmao
@@thorshammer7883 the EU Luke was complete shit. I'm glad this story isnt canon. You say the sequels are bad but what about the palpatine clone that turned like to the dark side or chewie being crushed by a moon or the retarded descendants of luke and leia
@@rohan6900 I actually enjoy the EU Luke, especially the interactions he had with his son in the "Fate of the Jedi" series.
I can't say for the palpatine clone saga as my first jump into the EU was the Thrawn campaign followed by the New Jedi Order.
Luke took pure revenge that was completely justified and still retained his light as a jedi. Bringing confirmation that you can be a true Jedi and still have emotions without being "Gray" or turning to the dark.
The Jedi can feel emotions to the point of anger, but these by channeling it and aiming for a goal of justice can keep their light within them, the Jedi sentinel are an example and, Plo Koon being one of the best known, which was also a user of the forbidden ability known as electric judgment, which channels the wrath of the Jedi to form electric rays however this was to perform an act of justice as a goal
@@ignisterr.9418 Electric Judgement comes from a place of calm and a kind of desire to see justice carried out. It's not about wrath, as when the Jedi Council questioned Plo about it, he told them that he felt no Dark Side emotions when using the power.
No he killed in anger. Had he not done that he would have been able to handle Jacen later without running the risk of going dark himself. The novels are quite explicit on this, killing Lumiya was the closest he came to the dark ever since the Palpatine clone fiasco.
I don’t know much about Lumia. However Luke’s decision here is correct. If he didn’t do that, she would’ve come back to kill again. I’m all for forgiveness and mercy but there are times that you need to kill your enemy. Why? Because sometimes they don’t want “forgiveness”, they want pure chaos.
@@Steel-101 Yeah but not this time. Lumiya set herself up as Mara’s killer to buy Jacen a few months of his family not knowing it was really him. Luke never really investigated, he just assumed Lumiya murdered his wife and ended up killing her in a very un-Jedi like way. In this case she wasn’t trying to kill anyone, at least directly. Turns out this kept Luke from being able to confront Jacen later because that killing in anger brought him perilously close to the Dark Side.
THIS is Grandmaster Skywalker.
Luke: Brutally avenges his wife
Disney: now that is not child friendly
Also disney from Toy Story: YOU UNCULTURED SWINE
Also Disney: instead let's have luke completely forget everything he learned and destroy his character while making him drink alien tit milk!! that's kid friendly!!
@@delta2372 Yea he never forgot what he learned. It was either a different situation or a lesson he failed to learn. Nothing in it destroyed his character. Then again I bet you've no idea what the name Campbell has to do with SW, or why that's important to this convo. But keep up the salt true fans love things even when its not what we expected.
@@madhatter1057 luke tried to kill his nephew all because he sent abit of evil on him when in ROTJ he went on a suicide mission to save his father.
They fucked his character you shill, why don't you go back to that garbage TLJ movie, you strike me as one of the shills who liked that pile of shit.
@@delta2372 yea it was not a bit of evil. It was literally the exact opposite of Vader that he sensed. He sensed Vader acted evil and had a lot of hate but had light at the core despite the evil around him. His nephew on the other handed was acting good but had an ever-deepening pit of blackness in him despite all the good around him. So in order to stop something evil, he reacted for a moment. But stopped himself. He did not try to kill him he thought about it. If he tried to kill him he would have swung the blade and dueled him. But he did not. Sorry but even Jedi have moments of impulse and weakness and Luke is known to act impulsively and emotionally to save people like you know everything he worked to build which he saw Kylo destroying. But keep trying
Like I said you could not even tell me why Campbell is vital to this convo. Keep up the salt I have fries cooking and will need it later.
@@delta2372 I agree with Mad Hatter, but he is kind of a douchebag. Feel free to hate TLJ, but don't act like it's complete garbage that nobody can like. There is balance in it, great stuff with bad stuff, it's just a ton of mediocre stuff with a gem inside to me. I love the Luke, Rey and Kylo stuff, but everything else is bland, though still visually interesting and trying to add new things to Star Wars.
I would have preferred Jacen solo in the new movies over Kylo
And Jaina over Rey. Plus the fact they're twins means there wouldn't be Reylo-type shippers without outing themselves as being into incest.
Sure, as long as he had a different name. Jacen=Jason Kylo=Kyle
@@KEVMAN7987 should have also brought in ben skywalker to
They obviously stole the idea but half assed it completely by naming him Ben and giving him a weak back story.
@@delta2372 Ryan Gosling as Ben Skywalker
You should cover the fight between Mara and Jacen. It's a really interesting duel, in my opinion.
Mara should have won.
Ken Hernandez agreed.
@@kenhernandez8128 No, it would be weird, if Mara would have won, although Jacen is stronger.
@@kenhernandez8128 no way
@@It_is_what_it_is00 Mara had it won. Jacen used a trick to kill Mara.
*In short words:* Mess with a Skywalker's family and they'll make sure that you never be able to see the sunlight again.
*EDIT:* Gonna add another comment. This event act as parallel with Anakin. Upon the death of his mother, he went of killing spree and destroyed an entire group of sandriders. He was manipulated of his fear about Padme's death and brough towards the Dark Side by a Sith Lord, Darth Sidious. *Sounds familiar?* Dead wife or lost a family member. Sith Lord manipulates a young jedi towards the Dark Side. Revenge against the dead of loved one. The Skywalker get revenge.
All things considered, Lumiya won in her quest to do as much damage to the Skywalkers as possible, Jacen became a sith, killed Luke's wife, and more or less caused an entire galactic civil war that staggered Galactic relations between former allies for decades. She knew she was going to die, but did so to leave a wake of destruction behind.
@@tuskinradar8688 A parallel with Anakin, when he lost his mother. Caused the death of entire group of sandriders and was brough towards the Dark Side by Emperor, by manipulating his love for Padme.
@@mariapazgonzalezlesme yknow honestly that really is a great parallel
@@tuskinradar8688 Thanks. I'm surprised nobody seem to mention about it. The Skywalkers can't catch a break.
I would have preferred a story along these lines. Luke losing his wife and overcoming his anger/dark sides pull unlike his father.
One of my favorite scenes is Jacen showing up to the funeral of Mara Jade and Luke being the one that allows him to stay. One of the saddest and most powerful scenes in my mind as Luke just could not fathom that Jacen could ever kill Mara. While everyone else there, were pretty certain that Jacen had killed her.
Finally the real Luke is being talked about again...
LegendSkull367 Luke isn’t real. He’s a fictional character.
The Luke that matters. Buy Legends products, people!
@@mattdawg83686 faithless.
The only real Luke is the one that appeared in episodes 4-8.
@@mattdawg83686 You didn't catch the meaning of that statement. He is referring about the expanded potential in Luke Skywalker as character within the series.
Nonifications worked first time in my life, good job, you chose the right video to work.
You should do a video explaining how Jaina killed her brother Jacen.
Do a complete legends history of R2-D2, please.
YES!
Artoo, the little droid that could!
+1
He's the only one who knows the full story :(
@@stevecollins5487 If I may expand... I get super tired of everyone overthinking everything. Early concept art for X-wing HAD to become the Z95 Headhunter, etc... And Disney way overthought the Whills. A 1970's interview with Lucas hinted that the Whills were recording history in their journals. They where interviewing R2-D2. THIS should be the anchor for Star Wars. In Episode 1, 3PO was made by Anakin (I felt a bit lame) but R2 already was. Lucas used the droids as the witnesses to great events. Disney, Darth Kennedy actually, screwed up everything but sidelining C-3PO and practically eliminating R2-D2 (you know, Luke's trusted travel companion...). Gotta admit, to me BB-8 sucks. But R2, who will live for at least hundreds of years more, is my favorite sassy character, sometimes even more than Luke. He is the through thread of the episodic Skywalker centered movies. What trash the sequels are.
Bring on the history of R2-D2, ultimate droid of the galaxy!
Because Luke had the high ground
This is funny because what I read, this is so true.
Luke Skywalker WAS the high ground.
"Star wars legends"
you mean starwars canon, right?
Symphony_in_152mm no he means legends.
@@wilmerlubian5088 That's what I said, Legends is the canon starwars.
YES
@@symphony_in_152mm2 yeeeeeees
A little story about me.
Half a year ago i was an usual guy who watched all SW films and CW series. But one day i finally wanted to read Thrawn Trilogy. It made me crazy and i started to read all books of post-endorial EU in chronological order and then i had read nearly 70 books during 4 months, but i was stopped by a book which was not translated into Russian. I was excited because in the book were described events of this video and i couldn't miss these events. Specifically for this task i started to learn English, and i discovered that the Russian SW community in the majority likes sequels, while the English community likes EU. Now i consume a lot of English content in the internet and i'm very happy that i discovered a big part of content i haven't seen before. Sorry for mistakes, i still don't very good at English, translate into English more difficult than into Russian.
Don't forget the absolutely BRUTAL fight Luke had with Jacen after seeing Jacen torturing Ben.
I mean Jesus that was something
Connor Ciglar Where can I read about this?
@@rangerbob6474 I think inferno
Well imagine Anakin/Darth Vader finding out someone killed his son he would go ape shit crazy.
You never mess with someone that a Skywalker loves or cares about or your in for a bad day lol 😂🤷🏿♂️
I love the Legends stories! I want more Legends videos when ever possible! Thanks Eck for the solid content!
The Legacy era is the period I got into the EU outside the games and I loved every minute of it. Thanks for covering this period.
Legends seems far more extensive than cannon. If I were to get into the Star Wars Legends storyline where should I start?
@Poly Cube I personally started with Operation Shadow Hand and Thrawn
It's more extensive because it's been out longer. If you want to start, always start with the Thrawn trilogy.
Start with "Heir to an Empire" 100% (Book #1 of the Legends Thrawn Trilogy)
No clue because its a mess and very inconsistent. Also it has the same power scaling BS as dbz if not worse. Also don't read the uzong crap since it goes on for way too long. The fact they are basically a star trek race and that they're op to the point that it's retarded makes them even worse.
@@mariobadia4553 Why respond then? What's the point of spewing something incorrect about something you yourself admit you know nothing about? Just wondering...
Legacy Era was amazing. I really miss those novels. Please do more. It makes me angry that Disney killed any chances of extending the Legacy Era novels.
They did plenty more!! Look them up online. I read ALL of them, the Old Republic series too, and the entire collection.
At least there is hope to make it right again. Because of the spiral of 2020, this franchise needs a miracle.
Legends has some of the best content in the series hands down
Luke is easily one of my favorite characters in Star Wars. He’s powerful and is a good character to explore morally
X-Wing Novels will be great.
Still hoping: Kilrathi vs Empire. Luke in X-Wing vs Col Blair in Excalibur.
Spiderman-meme worthy that one lol
Yeah, i liked the X-Wing Novels. Also loved Wraith Squadron, though i never got around to finish readin their entire arc.
So glad you’re covering Legacy of the Force era lore. Easily my favorite era from the old lore.
"I'd never let you fall"
I love it!
Yeah that avenge his wife by killing his treacherous ex, that was one of the most epic moments in legend
This was my favoirte series. I jumped in at Sacrifice and devoured every book as fast as I could. This series was so WELL WRITTEN!
Legends Star Wars is better than Disney Canon.
Always and forever.
The steaming pile of triceretops shit in Jurassic Park is better than Disney Star Wars canon
On everything
@@mleadenham1 Having a moon dropped on you saving a child is the best death imaginable for Chewie. Everything decent in Star Wars is tied back to 40k. And I'd take the Emperor reaching the Pinnacle of power in the dark side through clones that disintegrated from his sheer sheeviness over the non villain Snoke any day. I will concede the crystal star point though. That was bad.
@@mleadenham1 chewies death while sad was a epic ending for him
And it does make sence to kill bnb important characters sometimes or the stories start to lose any sense of danger
Oh their in trouble again wonder how they will get out
Chewie, anakin, mara all tragic but epic ends
RIP Mara. You should have been in TLJ.
So another good character would be ruined?
@@JakubB2000 but at least she'll be remembered by more
Knowing that this brilliant piece of Star Wars mythos was thrown aside in favour of TLJ angers me on a fundamental level.
Anakin from the dead: That's my boy.
4:39
legends Luke couldn’t bring himself to kill until they pushed him to the very edge of sanity
Cannon Luke was ready to kill when someone had a bad dream
I think the original Jedi code of not having a family would drive somebody crazy. I mean look what happens to Catholic priests. I'm not being stupid it's not normal to not have a mate or children. It can cause serious deviant behavior as we've already seen. I never understood how they expected a Jedi not to have any attachments but they would protect life. Honestly they would have no scope of what they were protecting and why if they were taught not to love anything. Attachment may be the shadow of greed and jealousy to the dark side but you know what I would rather be a gray or a dark than never know what love is.
Hurrah for Legends content! I love the Legacy Era mainly the Second Galatic Civil War and I'd love to see it covered by you.
I point to this scene and the fact that Luke refused to go after Jacen afterwards whenever someone says that him trying to kill Kylo goes against his character
read more into the series, specifically revelation and invincible. luke very much wants to go after caedus, to the point that he has to send jaina because he wants it so bad. just as he chooses not to kill kylo. same character, same flaws and strengths.
He did stop himself, but the desire was there. With Kylo it was treated like an instinctual act to AVOID future loss, I guess.
Luke trying to kill Kylo went completely against his character. It's not like Kylo killed Luke's wife beforehand or anything.
@@chrissonofpear1384perhaps. I contend he did the exact same with caedus/kylo plus he was tainted by the dark side by killing lumiya
@@ltb1345but what is the difference to the force? how many has kylo slaughtered because luke stayed his hand? how many did caedus slaughter because luke stayed his hand?
I definitely like this content. It’s funny, I had a very different perspective when I read the Legacy of the Force. It seemed to me that it was actually Mara who initially convinced Luke that he was overreacting to Jacen’s behavior. Why she didn’t speak to Luke after she found the truth is a whole separate question, but I didn’t find this to be a hesitation as much on Luke’s part. He was the very first to become concerned about Jacen, but quite a few people, including Mara, disagreed
I agree in a way, it was definitely Mara initially, but for some reason (based on my reading anyway!) that Luke changes his tune and is unwilling to see the fall of Jacen -- he sort of attaches to this idea that it was just Lumiya corrupting him. Even after Mara's death, for a while.
Mara definitely defended Jacen for quite a while, but seeing how Ben was changing shook her out of it.
chris sonofpear1 For sure. It was just a huge contrast to me when I read the books for the first time. I had long since heard that this was a failure on Luke’s part, a hesitance to act, and that wasn’t what it seemed like to me. Doesn’t mean other people are wrong, it’s just my opinion
They both made errors, from what I could see. But Jacen's ambiguity seemed spelt out since Swarm War, so clearly warning signs were there. Guess things stabilised.
chris sonofpear1 I hear. They were also swayed because Jacen was able to get Ben to open himself back up to the Force when they hadn’t been able to. Luke definitely made a mistake, I just don’t think it was entirely Luke’s.
And people say Luke was uninteresting and too perfect LMAO
Legends is the real canon
Agreed! Though I do still really love MOST of the Disney Canon.
True! Disney sucks
Lest we forget Luke's interaction with Jacen in a later novel, when the boy was foolish enough to taunt him about Mara's murder and Luke's display of force power made him instantly regret it.
Sure but imagine how strong Jacen would have become had he lived a few more years..He wasnt very far from Lukes level..and they had how many years difference 20-25?
@@2Times22Jacen didn’t have the force sensitivity that Luke had. Even his brother Anakin was far stronger in the force than he and Jaina. Him becoming a sith gives him a power boost but no one comes close to Luke, he just holds back because of his kindness
LotF is one of my favourite series of all time. A lot of people kinda call it lame or whatever, but I thought the series was emotional, deep, and powerful, and the character development all throughout the series speaks volumes about the scale and severity of events depicted in the series.
can you do a summary of Jacen's rise to power and final confrontation with Jaina?
never got the chance read that arc...
That's the Legacy of the Force series and was my entry to the old EU.
Honestly such a great one.
5:11 - 5:29 imagine how awesome it would be to see this in live action, hell even in animation this would be awesome
Killing Mara was the one thing in Legends I can never forgive
Just like people say about Chewie, Anakin Solo or those who actually like NJO - about Jacen. There will always be moments we don't loke, but characters dying makes the syory more impactful. Either it was Mara or Han himself, or both. They went with option 1
@@emzonik8851no Jacen was an Ahole so he got what he deserved
Hell yeah. More EU content! Tackle the stories of New Jedi Order as well as the Legacy comics!
Congrats on the video, it's nice to hear something about the true Luke Skywalker we all know and love.
Legend is just superior
Legacy of the Force was my first exposure to the old EU or Legends, and tbh I've been procrastinating on Galaxy of Fear but I love them both so much
Who would win? #StarshipVersus #AskEck
Resurgent vs. MC 85
Bellator vs. Resurgent
Nebula vs. Pelleaon
Regarding Nebula vs Pellaeon i can say that the Nebula would stomp.
It heavily outguns the Pellaeon, has a better Hyperdrive and more starfighters at its desposal.
I read fury as furry and got REALLY confused
Now THIS is pod racing....uhh, I mean storytelling 🤣😆
just seeing this title gave me palpable relief and serenity. keep it coming!
Ironically, it was Luke who was the one who saw Jacen darkening, and Mara had tried to ignore it because Jacen had helped Ben overcome his fear of the Force.
Honestly, people complain about this scene, but its honestly the only realistic way Luke was ever going to touch the dark side again in his later years. And honestly, Luke's silent rage with Lumiya is nearly as terrifying as Vader. You could imagine his fury when he looks down on Lumiya and calmly says "I'd never let you fall." Probably one of my favorite scenes with Luke in the EU, despite the occasional flaws.
Mara also thought Jacen was conflicted by love.
Mara and Luke both knew Lumiya was influencing things - whether through Jacen or not. Only until Ben found out the truth and told his mom.
Because of that - in the end - Luke blames lumiya because lumiya only wanted her to be seen in this - not Jacen.
Luke did not find out whom killed Mara almost immediately. It took rescuing his soon after events later that the truth came out.
Because of his revenge on lumiya - Luke stepped back from pursuing Darth Caedus because it made him weak. He knew he’d fall to the dark side if he did.
I love this type content. I haven't yet read old legends material so it's cool to hear about it from a long time fans perspective.
"i would never let you fall"
*cuts off her head*
Do more legends. Keep the true Star Wars alive
Wait so he didn’t go on an isolated island for years and just stop caring about his friends or anything.
Damn I'm mad I didn't think of that one that was funny. I don't even include those new movies as Canon in my mind. They are clusterfucks!!!!! I think they should redo it as a cartoon like they did with the clone wars and it would be 10 times more powerful with the fan than that crap. It was easy to cheer for Luke because he went through a massive transformation and earned everything he got. To have him a bit older old man on an island was just a big f*** you to us! Luke was the one that brought Darth Vader back He would have never done that. Mark Hamill said he completely disagreed with what the director thought that Luke should be like but he's a professional so he did what he was told. If the original Luke Skywalker is telling you you're screwing up that guy should have listened. I would have loved to seen a version of a trilogy that Mark Hamill would have directed himself I think that would have been three Oscars in a row
An interesting vid as ever Eckhart, I for one would definitely like to see more on the Legacy era of Star Wars lore as it's easily my least versed time period and in many ways I think one of the most fascinating, if for no other reason than the highly advanced starships and fighters that were created like the Imperious-class, X-83 TwinTail, or Ardent frigate.
You should cover the battle where Jason was killed by Jaina and how Luke influenced the fight!
Great episode please do more legacy stories and if possible tales of the jedi that series was very interesting and I'd love to hear your take on the characters and events.
Luke will always try to redeem his enemies, he believes every one desvers a second chance and no one is beyond saving it's what makes him the greatest jedi that ever lived and why despite agreeing that Darth Caedus had to be killed he couldn't do it
Great video, never read those series of books. Seems like a compelling story, I love how well some of the Legends books were written. The Thrawn series of books were great as well. Mara Jade was one of my favourite newcomers, after the movies. Looking to more video Eck.
I think this serves as a decent case that a "middle of the road" grey Jedi isn't an answer to the light side/dark side struggle.
All a grey Jedi is...is either:
1. A recluse like Bindo, completely apathetic to the going on in the Galaxy. Doing nothing while people suffer.
2. A light sider like Luke or Qui Gon who freely allows attachment with others, which only serve as temptations into the dark side when shit goes wrong.
I think you have that backwards pal. Grey Jedi are the exact answer to the struggle between light and dark. The dark sith cause death and destruction, while the light jedi try so hard to purge the dark side, they end up creating more sith to try and destroy them. They key is destroy both the light and the dark and leave only the middle
@@fireblast8972 Untrue. Grey Jedi are nothing more than regular jedi with more puppet strings to exploit.
All it takes is one push. A loved dying, and down the dark path they go.
@@lololol924 or they properly learn how to handle such loss, something that neither the jedi or sith teach, where they get angry about it, but don't go murder-crazy.
@@fireblast8972 Not gonna happen m9. Nobody is immune to grief, and the irrationally that accompanies it.
You can try to teach it on a large scale, but guaranteed that you will inadvertently introduce more fallen Jedi than ever into the Galaxy.
@@lololol924 that's just it, because the jedi basically repress the emotions of their members, it leaves them unable to properly handle them. If the jedi simply taught how to handle grief in a healthy way, they wouldn't have to turn the second things go wrong. Don't you think Anakin could've avoided turning if he was just able to just talk with obi wan about his Padme problem without a green muppet going "Don't get attached"?
The jedi order doomed themselves by repressing basic human emotions
This one was hard on the ears Ladder! I loved it, and the history lesson!
legends luke looks an awfull lot like vader and i love it
This is very interesting eck keep it up man
I miss the EU. I was so curious where it was going to go after the Fate of the Jedi series. What was going to happen with Allana.
Absolutely loved this vid and this series of stories!
You didn't mention that Lumiya was a failed love interest to Luke and the motivation behind her eventually falling to the dark side and why. Lumiya is an interesting character that deserves a video of her own, a tough life,contant failure and being discarded by all she knew. What happened to her is understandable and how she wanted revenge is also understandable, eventually becoming more machine than human due to battle injury.Vader was no different and the books judge Lumiya a bit too harshly in comparison. It's also worth a mention that Luke was ashamed of the depth of the hate he had and even regretted killing Lumiya ,which had to be done,another lesson even for the Grand Master of the Jedi.
Please continue to do the Legends this is my first time tuning in and I like to hear some more
Moral of Star Wars: Don’t have any interaction with a Skywalker.
Well you know the saying goes “Beware the anger of a gentleman.”
Can you tell the story of how luke piloted a stealth-X though the middle of Jacen's forces and then used the force to start pulling apart Jacen's fighter like a bug? That or the story of Wraith Squadron.
I love hearing about the Legends again. I spent years reading those books.
#AskEck
Can you do the Old Republic and Sith Empire vs The Grand Army of the Republic and CIS from Legends?
Yes I request that too
"The Galaxy was once again on the brink of Civil War"
When is it not lol
I always loved mara jade she was a great character
I would be more than happy to see more content about Skywalker family
What made her death even more gut wrenching was her relationship with Jacen. She was the one that got him to take his training seriously when he was a young teen. He went from a casual force user who used his powers as a crutch to do menial chores like lifting boxes to actually understanding the meaning of becoming a Jedi. He took her words to heart and made it his Jedi credo to never use the force unless absolutely necessary and above all never kill a living creature with the force. This caused him to convince his brother, Anakin Solo, later on not to use the force to kill the Yusong Vong in one shot with Centerpoint station before they had a chance to invade. Then his brother was killed by the Yusong Vong. This was a catalyst in his turn to the dark side and a little bit of him goes back to the teachings of Mara as blame for his brother's death.
So it all comes full circle.
yeah, the Legacy of the Force era was pretty dark and I loved it. And ultimately ends up with Jaina becoming an only child and Luke and Ben being exiled
A bit too dark, maybe. I'd have been happier maybe if Jaina and Luke had stripped Jacen of any power in the Force and captured him...
I’m unfamiliar with the legacy era character “Luke Skywalker”. What is his relation to Luuke Skywalker?
Luuke Skywalker is actually the clone of Luke Skywalker, turned to the dark side by Darth Sidious.
@@reaperking7748 I know it's been months, but Luuke Skywalker was turned to the Dark Side by Joruus C'baoth, a dark side clone (Created by Palpatine, of course) of an actual Jedi Master (Jorus C'baoth). The original Jorus died in the Outbound Flight attack.
Keep it up! I havent heard any of these stories!
Loved it. Legacy is in my opinions better than Disney canon. Unless you count clone wars.
I know that I always say this, but I really love the lore videos, so thank you!
"Luke refuses to kill most anyone, even his most hated enemy"
The 1,565,231 people that died on the Death Star: ?
Yeah maybe he is trying not to make the number bigger. He is a warrior and champion of the force, not a murderer.
I remember the whole Lumiya / Shria Bree story arc from Marvel's original Star Wars comic. Those would actually be a good topic for a future video.
HOLY CRAP!! I wish this was in the sequel trilogy instead of the trash we got. Mara Jade, A badass Luke, the dark lady. So much missed opportunity
Thank you for saying it
That's pretty well what I just said in another comment I completely agree with you. I don't know you but I know you and I could have made a better trilogy in one night on a pizza box than Disney did!!! I would have liked to have seen what Mark Hamill would have done if he was in control of the trilogy. I bet that would have been something to watch
Does anybody remember the part in Return of the Jedi, when Luke just opened a can of whop-ass on Darth Vader to the point that Vader was missing a hand and collapsed on the floor. Luke has the Skywalker temper, yet he has only un-leashed twice. Once when his sister was threatened and the second was to avenge his wife. For anyone who thinks Luke is weak read this series and take it in.