TELEVISION / ORK'S LOFT 1974 (excerpts)
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2025
- 1.double exposure 2.change your channels 3.blues in "C"(working) 4.the girl can't help it 5.high reeled wheels 6.venus / played by TELEVISION are ds:billy Ficca bs:Richard Hell gr:Richard Lloyd & Tom Verlaine
their idealised rock star movements, the precision of every move, like they knew one day they'd be watched by thousands in awe. somehow this just feels like a work of art ...
Being able to hear Television while they still had Hell is a dream come true
Tom Verlaine was a fucking genius. Richard Hell is a fucking genius. "These. Poets. Are Indside-out!" (Patti icydk)
Thanks Ork Tom, Richard, Richard, and Billy! Rock and roll needed to be rediscovered in 74' and you made it happen!
Man, this is priceless. This is why sites like RUclips exist. The Gods certainly had a hand in having this recorded for posterity.
and in the end, Posterity is the only thing there is. That counts...
I actually felt quite emotional watching this, after all these years. I can now see why Malcolm McLaren regarded Television as the start of punk. Yes, you can hear the influence of MC5 and the Stooges, but in the same way you hear the blues greats in Led Zeppelin, or Can in The Fall. Television were very special.
0:00 double exposure
3:44 change your channels
11:08 blues in "C"(working)
15:10 high reeled wheels
19:52 Venus
Tom Verlaine, leader of Television, left the scene this Saturday, 28-01-2023, at the age of 73. The death was confirmed by his stepdaughter, Jesse Smith, who did not reveal the cause of death, only that it happened after a short illness.
One of the artists who emerged from CBGB, a nightclub in New York, Verlaine became known for experimental guitar improvisations and poetic lyrics in his career, which had Television as its main pillar. He also acted as a vocalist and served as a songwriter on most of the songs.
The group dissolved after two albums and, despite being praised by the critics, it was never a great sales success, but it was the beginning of the musician as a reference in the music world. Together with the Ramones, Blondie and Talking Heads, Television founded a new generation of music.
Born in Denville, New Jersey, and named Thomas Miller, he studied piano and saxophone as a child and decided on a career in music after hearing "19th Nervous Breakdown" by the Rolling Stones.
From there, he adopted the name Tom Verlaine as a tribute to the French poet Paul Verlaine. His influences even included John Coltrane.
After the band, Verlaine pursued a solo career, starting with the album "Tom Verlaine" in 1979. There were ten albums released in total, with the last one, "Around", released in 2006. The artist also met on multiple occasions with the band members. from the group to concerts - including Brazil, where they performed on multiple occasions.
He also collaborated with Patti Smith on songs like "Glitter in Their Eyes" and "Fireflies", as well as guitarist James Iha of the Smashing Pumpkins on the album "Look to the Sky". He was also part of the supergroup Million Dollar Bashers, formed with Lee Ranaldo and Steve Shelley, from Sonic Youth, guitarists Nels Cline and Smokey Hormel, bassist Tony Garnier and keyboardist John Medeski.
With Television, Verlaine released three albums, including the influential Marquee Moon, considered one of the most influential albums in punk rock. The musician, considered one of the best guitarists of the 20th century, has released nine solo albums.
This is a dream! Television! Thanx for the journey, Tom! Just a bunch of brilliant knuckleheads bashing it up! And I could shout more but the neighbors would get pissed?!?
In the beginning .... I was walking down the Bowery circa 2nd Street one day in April of 1974 and spotted a hand made xerox poster, "Television Is The Best Band in NYC", signed David Bowie. God had announced R & R was back and Bowie (or his imposter!?) had declared it. Enough said, I found my way to CBGB, was welcomed by Hilly and found a home.
never thought I would ever see a film like this about this group! I bought their single that very same year for a dollar
I always wondered why Television was considered to be a "punk" band. Musically, they were so much more proficient and polished than most of their CBGB contemporaries. Until now, having heard little of Television's music from before Marquee Moon or Adventure, I might still have this question. But now, having seen this clip, the "punk" label makes a lot more sense. Pretty awesome for 1974.
They never were a punk band, of course. An experimental band? Art band? Maybe, but never a punk band
Yeah this is a lot better than those albums that came to be bruh. This here sounds like the "Television" and the Richard Hell stuff that basically spawned the Sex Pistols and other countless punk bands.
@@janarnaud8058 It's an absurd judgement to be making - since depending on whom you choose to believe, the name for the form hadn't even entered the popular vernacular at that point.
Legs McNeil's initial publication of the same name was still about two years distant and there was no hardcore scene against which to compare them. The Ramones hadn't played their first gig at CB's yet.
No green mohawks, no dog collars, no safety pins.
No uniform.
Yet.
You're playing Monday morning quarterback - with a rule book that wouldn't even be written for two years - at least - from the day that this footage was shot.
What bub, would you describe as "punk"?@@janarnaud8058 Better go on sleeping!
no punk band and no velvet unbderground inspiration. verlaine and also richard lloyd always denied these label. It's easy: No feedback, no velvet underground. in 1974 they sounded as an anarchic rock band. maybe broken t-shirts was the only relation with punk. hell was probably the first punk, but only him. He used to break the t shirts of tom verlaine, so he looked like him, but it was hell, and only hell. in 1975 verlaine was so distant to gell, that he was fired, and that was the end of "punk" in television. musical inspiratrion of verlaine was the instrumental band of the 60's, and musical inspiration of richard lloyd was led zeppelin, the rollind stones, and jimi hendrix. Very far from the velvet underground both of them. I'd like to add that the punk label doesnt make justice for such great band. in that time, 1974, they was starting, so they sounded anarchic, probably because hell was a BAD BASSIST, while fred Smith was a VERY GOOD BASSIST. Television could never had been what they was without that change in the line up. i'm sorry about richard hell fans. we are talking about music, not attitude. and for me, richard lloyd was better that hell, too. as a fyutar player he was at the level of verlaine, if not up to him...
This is fantastic. I'm just now reading Richard Hell's new book "I Dreamed I was a Very Clean Tramp". It's like getting to see part of the actual memories he's describing in the book. I highly recommend it, and I'm not even familiar with his music.
I read Richard Lloyd's everything is combustible pretty good too👍
Read about this footage in Richard Hells book. Great stuff.
OMDG thanks for this priceless gem!
R.I.P Tom Verlaine....um dos maiores guitarristas do Punk, com o a Seminal banda TELEVISION.
A primeira banda Punk tocar no Mitologico CBGB....um dos maiores ícones do Rock alternativo!
Caramba...2023 ta cruel demais!
R.I.P. Verlaine por cierto,
lo increíble es esto: aúnque su influencia del sonido de Rock moderno es enorme, él pasó su carera en oscuridad, por el gran parte, desconocido alrededor del mundo por milliones de Rockeros, sus verdaderos hijos, ignorantes de su gerencia..............
Can´t read/understand a single word - HELL!
A short excerpt from this clip in better quality is included in the short but wonderful German documentary House Of The Rising Punk, right after it Jim Jarmush recounts how he saw Television for the first time: "They were playing so hard, their fingers were bleeding."
Richard paved the way for Sid
Wow, interesting to hear that early raw version of Venus.
when i watch things like this it. just. seems. so surreal
WOW..
Memories
WOW!!! Too bad I was born in 74! I first heard Television a few years ago and thought it was a new band. ha hah. I couldn't have been any more wrong! These guys were amazing! Thanks for sharing.
I was only four years old at that time, but already a punk rocker ...
RIP, Terry Ork
Most of them are dead
R.I.P Tom Verlaine....one of Punk's greatest guitarists, with the Seminal band TELEVISION.
The first Punk band to play at Mitologico CBGB....one of the biggest icons of Alternative Rock!
Damn... 2023 is too cruel!
punk? really?
I'd never seen Tom have so much fun
So glad I found this !!!!!!!
Wow! Thanks for posting this!
This clip is an example of why Hell had so much trouble in the Heartbreakers, even though they were also a great band. He missed the atonal stuff like this that he had been doing with Verlaine in Television.
Wow! This some wild cool footage!
Incredible footage.
brilliant. thank-you
Simply amazing!
6. Venus, invaluable. Four years later it appeared on their seminal album 'Marquee Moon'. This is stuff for musical archeologists.
marquee moon was recorded on september 1976. it was 2 yesrs later, not four.
Watching the recent June 2024 interview of REM (4 original members) Michael Stipe said he was disinterested in seeing ‘reformed’ groups years past their glory days. I perceived right away he was referring to these people (with Mr. Smith, not Hell). Stipe quickly added that he was probably wrong! I for one caught them at the end of 1992 and Mr. Stipe was definitely wrong! Television started up damn near everything in the NYC locale that exploded by 1977. It was dead obvious there on stage in December ‘92 a week before Verlaine turned 43. This is priceless. In the orbit outside and past the Velvets, REM have these people to thank for a 30 year career of releases.
RICHARD LLOYD'S BOOK OUT IN OCTOBER!!
so young wow!
I heard loyde say(in a 10 part youtube video) they rehearsed a lot for this session as they know it was going to be recorded(documented)
JJ JJ The video quality is appalling
where the hell did this come from? thanks for sharing, this is nuts
This is indeed a holy grail
This is like VELVET ... re-loaded!!!!!!! (and they knew IT)
Underrated like Venus.
Why are Fender Jaguars so unpopular. I love the 24 inch scale.
The 1962 ones are fantastic.
i owned a '64 - wish I never sold it.
Kentucky boy. Probably in some building where I was living in those days.
It's weird seeing them actually moving around
Who else sounded like this in NINETEEN SEVENTY-FOUR?!! Proof that it wasn't the Sex Pistols who invented punk rock!!
The Velvet Underground ten years before them
Absolutely nobody sounded like this in 1974. Wanna have your mind blown? Consider that this clip was recorded less than five years after Woodstock. This stuff is very, very advanced. Way ahead of the Ramones, the Damned, and the Sex Pistols.
Yes.
WOW !!!
At beginning "plonk plonk guitars" and after légend !
Richard Hell had a football players build back then.
He's a big guy IRL
Looking back, Tom would have to be slightly mortified about these rock moves.
lol
best moment - telling Richard Lloyd to get out of bed
Terry Ork cameo at 10:08
The opening sounds like Pere Ubu Final Solution
I thought the same thing.
I as well@@michaelduke3528
looks like a great party.
Wow!
Richard Lloyd is playing slide.
What do you want? This is rock.
Wow
This version of Venus sounds a lot more like Bowie
Sheer genius
Shit, they showed me the needle. You can hear the pieces that would be Marquee Moon under all that destruction. That was like 9 songs begging for a manager to peel them back. Slow down guys, you're the best fucking band in the world, there's no competition lol maybe Bowie, probably not though. Jesus shit I've seen too much. Thank you for not dying!
Anyone hate that Double Exposure was never released?
...Wow.
Tom on the floor 😮
who else was even doing this in 74?
It was bubbling up in places here and there.
By the following year - 1975 - LA's Nerves were playing gigs in the Southland and Bay Area. The Weirdos had formed about the same time. Saw em both.
SF's Flaming Groovies had been around for almost a decade by this time.
But if you're talking about the loudfast punk blueprint laid out by the Ramones - maybe the Saints - then no - nobody, really.
Was Terry Ork the cinematographer here?
Punk rock at it's diverse best.
Not even Television has room for three lead guitarists.
hell was bassist hmmmmm
I get that the quality of an old recording can't be helped, but couldn't the audio at least be synced with the video? They look ridiculous moving against what's happening musically.
Man ... They got much better
They didn’t get more ferocious though
Richard Hell
verlaines adorabley hawt
Historically it's gold, musically it's garbage. They're so raw, you can see why they kicked Hell out, he wasn't much interested in keeping the beat. Notice how they get serious when they start playing Venus, they don't crawl on the floor, they don't take their hands off their instruments, that's their level at that point, they stop fooling around.
Hell was way too punk for this band, he was way too punk even for the Heartbreakers!
Thi
this is better than any of their recorded material
Even if Tom was ¤Ωθ§μ Billy & Richards there!
Man that’s loud
Lots of energy, but, ouch, my ears.
I appreciate the energy but at the end,no record sales.The record company of Television recommended to Verlaine some singing lessons.So he refused.He got what he deserved,no contract because he's such a bad singer.
For what I know ,Hell said he quits Television the day Verlaine tells him to not move on stage.
Hell,not a good singer but more interesting than Verlaine,is clearly the inspiration for the look of the Brits Punk Rockers.
And for the music,Johnny Thunders is the big influence on bands like the Sex Pistols and the Clash of the first album.
I'm so glad Richard Hell quit. They only got better.
Your avatar looks like Brians actually saying that. i find it funny
I think the same, but I'm also really glad that this happened at some point.
They would have sold way more albums if Dick Hell hadn't quit!
The only reason I could possibly ever agree with this is that we got the Blank Generation album out of it.
What a shit head
Richard Hell with the Sid Vicious of television. Looked the part but couldn't play 4 shite
No Sid Vicious was the Richard hell of the sex pistols
Sid V was a created by mc claren , who stole the look of Richard Hell
as if u could actually tell
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ill take super tamp or yes please
They still suck