Phlox betrays confidentiality and torpedo T'pols career
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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"You traveled from the surface to tell Dr Phlox you wouldn't help him?"
Ah good to see even Vulcans have their own version of "This meeting could have been an email you know".
LOL, but I know they are trying to use alien stories to make it a subtext about social issues on Earth, in this case AIDS, but even the most conservative doctor against homosexuality would be understanding and as helpful as possible to someone that got AIDS by force without consent, nor is her attacker worthy of being protected. Not sharing that information is illogical and unproductive.
"Will you please show us to the airlock?"
"As you wish."
"I dont see our ship..."
"I know." **opens airlock**
@@tryndoxme248 Did you just compare conservatism to a neurological disease?
he should have stated that they dealt with some divergent group of vulcan telepaths recently and wanted a comprehensive list of possible transmissible diseases for decontamination protocols. It would all be true. The best kind of lie.
The Vulcans had just told him this specific disease can only be transmitted through telepathic contact and nothing more.
@@schwarzerritter5724 There are tons of telepathic/empathic species in the quadrant. Any of which might work with them especially as they start their journey as a multi species organization.
Noctis Nova
But only one is on board the Enterprise.
@@schwarzerritter5724 My point is they are a new starting organization that didn't even have its own security alerts till out in the field. Them being in the process of creating a decontamination protocol is reasonable.
To bad Garak wasn’t born yet. He could have given some lying pointers.
Phlox should have known about a direct request. He's supposed to ask for information about a wide variety of Vulcan medical issues and slip what he really wants in there somewhere. It's like when you go to the Circle-K to buy condoms. You only want the condoms, but you end up buying a soda, Field and Stream magazine, brake fluid and a Snickers bar as well so no one notices you're buying the condoms. lol
Uhmmm...with those 4 other items, the condoms really do stand out.
@@sjp35productions6 True, but when your a teen and you think you're being clever.
@@sjp35productions6 That's why you buy a large bottle of vegetable oil, shampoo, and jumper cables. That way they really don't want to know what's going on and will leave you alone.
It’s like getting porn at Suncoast. You really don’t want to sandwich it between “ Charlotte’s Web” and “ Babe” the clerk might think you have a thing for farm animals.
I hear you!
"If you'll please show us to the airlock..." (spaces all three of them) "...you didn't specify *which* airlock."
*the three Vulcan delegates were NOT the imposter. One Imposter Remains*
I don't think too many saw them come aboard. I imagine even fewer would see them ever leave. IYKYK :^)
Vulcans really were a stubborn bunch, imagine if McCoy had met this bunch - he wouldn't be as diplomatic as Phlox
"you pointy eared, green blooded bastards."
@@AzguardMike His emotions would've really given T'Pol reason to stay in her cabin and just meditate.
…and he would have been correct. Vulcans are smug, arrogant, close-minded, and impatient. They need to be knocked down a few pegs from time to time.
From what I can tell, the whole arc is an allegory to non-consensual relationships and resulting STDs.
The shunning of those who even engaged in mind-melding, much less contract the disease might also be allegorical to gay rights and the AIDs crisis in the 80s.
Dr. McCoy would had said, "Are You Out of Your Vulcan Mind" I have a sick crew member here, and you won't help
"Please show us to the airlock!"
Careful how you say that now , matey.
come this way sir
open the airlock
OPPS I trash is gone captain.
T'Pol was right. There's only one Vulcan on Enterprise. There's only one reason the Chief Medical Officer would need that information urgently. His colleague could have simply asked for that information himself if that colleague had a need for it.
He could have requested that data along with a host of other Vulcan specific illnesses on the pretence of it being precautionary.
Plot requirement are illogical. Illogical. ILLOGICAL!
he should have stated that they dealt with some divergent group of vulcan telepaths recently and wanted a comprehensive list of possible transmissible diseases for decontamination protocols. It would all be true. The best kind of lie.
@Justice Indeed. I'm sure even alien doctors have their equivalent of the Hippocratic Oath and patient confidentiality.
Thus, call one of your doctor friends to independently ask for the information - unrelated to Phlox or the Enterprise - and then send it over (communicating by secure channels, so no-one but them knows about this "arrangement"). And, in return, Phlox would gladly do the same - or something similar - for one of their patients.
They're doctors. I'm sure they'd help each other get around each other's "political" problems, if it were to help save patients.
But, yeah, the plot demands Phlox to temporarily behave like an idiot, despite usually being the wisest and most empathetic of them all in an ordinary episode.
@Justice Dr. Lucas maybe?
"If you'll please show us to the airlock." tsssssssss *foomp* *foomp*
I would have pushed them both through the airlock and let them float out into space.
"Allow me! Please take a giant step for mankind!"
actually... Tssssss foomp foomp foomp
Actually actually... *Tsssssss foomp foomp foomp foomp*
@@dillasoul2228 don't forget the closing tssshhhhsst ;)
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Really a no-win situation. Flox wanted to help. I wouldn't say he breached confidentiality AT ALL. He tried to fake it but it was obviously not true. Not his fault. His priority was to treat his patient.
I like Archer's speech in the hearing later on... how he scoulds Vulcans on their hypocrisy. "We do not fear diversity, we embrace it!"
I appreciate it when you identify the episode.
Season 2, Episode 14 - Stigma.
It was originally written as part of the show's contribution to HIV/AIDS awareness, but, honestly I don't think the writers did too well in that respect. - the allegory and its treatment was a little weak, IMHO.
@@draco84oz Maybe, the defect that Paxton caused in little Elizabeth could have been the subject of a story too if we want to talk about medical analogies. This might be a severe disability that had she lived, T'Pol-and maybe Trip too-would have has to deal with had she lived. How would Vulcans handle a child like Elizabeth if they survive and how would T'Pol do so. I guess being involved with special needs children, teens, and adults had more interest for me as I was an attendant and a student in college before AIDS was ever heard of then.
Vulcan's... Their arrogance never ceases to amaze
They weren't actually arrogant though. They clearly voiced that they found its transmission is through an act they find morally reprehensible, and so will not give it priority over the plethora of other diseases they could be curing since there is an opportunity cost either way. For example, lets say like in the show Farscape there is a disease that you can only get if you engage in too much hatred/murder, why would you spend a lot of your limited resources curing that when you could just discourage the immoral behavior in the first place, and the disease acts as a deterrent which is a good thing.
T’Pol should have let that Vulcan experience some ‘fresh air’ after asking for the airlock
Unfortunately and fortunately, this clip has convinced me to rewatch Enterprise. It should be a hell of a ride.
I hated the country music intro and the uniforms that look like something you'd wear at a jiffy lube and not in space, but overall its one of the best Star Trek's aside from TNG and the original.
@@BoopSnoot That track topped the contemporary rock charts when Rod Stewart sang it. Sounded basically the same too. Modern country is basically just 40 year old soft rock, lol.
Phlox betrayed confidentiality, no. They came to the starship on a hunch. They could have left it alone, but no. So, since they have a personnel bias, they will not help Phlox, thereby helping T'pol. Do not harm. Not offering aid is harmful in this case.
well he kinda did. Theres one vulcan on board, the high command gets debriefings on Enterprise missions so would be aware of the Pa'Nar events. Then a few weeks later the head doctor asks for the treatment for said illness. He might of well have said it was for T'pol.
Ni, he betrayed patient-physician confidentiality. The Vulcans did not have a hunch-they came for validation of the only logical reason for Phlox’s request.
More like Archer FORCED Phlox.
Phlox is innocent
agreed.
@@Scylon1 Not really, Phlox is just as guilty of it as Archer.
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I hurt a Loved One once, out of pain. I regret it every day of my life. I feel shame. It was my lowest moment. And I could not be more sorry.
Did you bust them one in the chops or drag them behind your car for a couple of miles?
@Lauren Lewis Isn't this more or less what Achilles did to Hector?
@Lauren Lewis
That was in "The Illiad" or its myriad adaptations. No Shakespeare there.
@Lauren Lewis
Key word, "attempting".
@Lauren Lewis
Still not funny 😴
Well, Phlox literally didn’t betray confidentiality.
Rev Chai said it best:
It was still a medical matter and as a doctor, phlox should have known that any medical information pertaining to any of his patients should never be disclosed to anyone else without the patient's consent. to be fair, phlox did not directly disclose t'pol's condition. but a breach of medical confidentiality need not be intentional. the fact is, phlox stupidly asked about a health condition unique to vulcans while serving as CMO on a spaceship with a single vulcan officer. surely it didnt require a vulcan's overinflated sense of his own intellect to put two and two together and figure out that phlox is only asking because the sole vulcan officer on enterprise has been afflicted
@@RBAWintrow - But by that logic Phlox just shouldn’t have asked to get the information even if his patient needed it.
@@RBAWintrow - But by that logic Phlox just shouldn’t have asked to get the information even if his patient needed it.
Florb Fnarb
Denobulans believe patient consent is absolute. Phlox did refuse to treat a dying patient who did not want treatment, even after Archer ordered him to treat the patient anyway.
@@schwarzerritter5724 - Okay, but Phlox didn't betray confidentiality.
I can't tell if this was him being a bad friend but a good doctor, or if it's the other way around.
I'd say a mid of both, the concern of a friend and professionalism of a doctor were there, however all parties could have done better to generalize requests and symptoms to further obscure the reasoning they want that information.
Phlox did not betray T'Pol's medical confidentiality. He was doing his best to surreptitiously help his patient. If anything he went above and beyond. He just didn't understand - and really could not have understood - the far reaching consequences.
Phlox mistakenly believed he understood T'Pol's people better than T'Pol did. He predicted one result, whereas she predicted a different outcome. T'Pol, not surprisingly, was correct about her own culture. Phlox's belief that T'Pol was either irrational or mistaken about her people's likely reactions was arrogant and incompetent and did harm rather than good (a violation of the Hippocratic oath, at least in our time). I believe he should have presented his plan for deception to T'Pol and given her the option of rejecting it as too risky or perhaps suggesting a deception more likely to fool Vulcans, such as perhaps asking Phlox to ask one of Phlox's doctor friends on some other planet to ask for this information, making it less likely to be traceable back to T'Pol.
Lot’s of interesting things in this episode. Specially regarding our real life prejudices and diseases. The parallels with AIDS is clear. Not very good for Canon, but interesting
What I both love and, somewhat hate about Star Trek is that most of the episodes/issues are allegory for real life political and, moral affairs... The only reason I somewhat hate this is because it usually goes over the audiences head.
@@333angeleyes indeed. Was never about “space lasers”.
@@333angeleyes True, but since I studied and worked with special needs students of various ages, I'm more interested in that population. I mean no disrespect toward those in the former category mentioned; I just wish there had been a story where if little Elizabeth had lived with various disabilities-due to what Paxton had done to her-T'Pol and Trip would've done whatever it took to help her and T'Pol then discovering (from Dr. Phlox) that she and her baby had something in common: both had a genetic flaw not carried by her mother, Trip, or anyone else but her lost father.
@sage 2000. 'science fiction' allows presentation of societies current topics of controversy for analysis in a non-emotional/confrontational way for the Human Race to face because it's presented about a different race /culture.
We can sit comfortably in judgement on them but then find that if that was applied to Our current culture we'd be on the wrong side of the arguement. Always uncomfortable to accept and change ones stance. but necessary for our growth into our One Race.
I agree about Aids. But consider our attitudes to homosexuality.
and that's not even a disease.
@@rogerjenkinson7979 yes. Of course it’s not.
I was watching on Hulu and the cancelled it! I am so pissed. Now I can’t watch enterprise.
If you'd please show us to the airlock
*Javik is waiting outside*
Are seizures a symptom of Pa'Nar Syndrome? She seemed to be having a Petit Mal seizure at first. We're not given her symptoms, but it seemed that emotional control wasn't the only symptom that compromised her. Perhaps seizures too and incoordination too. Was that the reason Archer wouldn't let her pilot the Shuttlecraft alone? He kept her symptoms from getting worse with help from Dr.Yuris, but it took T'Pau to cure her several years later and in that time she got herself addicted to Trellium after being exposed to it in the Seleya.
i believe i read on the star trek wikki a while back it was twitches, seizures and the inability to control emotions. However the later was present before the Pa'Nar and, as we know from leaks, a future season would of revealed T'Pol's mum as a Romulan spy meaning T'Pol is actually have Romulan (and thus explaining why the actress is terrible at hiding emotions.)
" if you would please show us to the air lock."
" With, or without a space craft ?."
@@AzguardMike Actually, Manny Coto-or Michael Sussman-was going to include a story for a 5th episode (had the series been renewed) where it was T'Pol's father was the Romulan. She later discovers him when she's a cpt.on the Endeavour perhaps. I made up my own story, but I don't know what was planned. She was kinda twitchy before then. Maybe, Phlox was giving her some medication which might've been why Archer wouldn't let her take the helm alone. I noticed Archer helping her up the ladder in to the Suliban ship. If no series or movies ever get done, maybe more books with the potential episode stories could be written. I hate to give up though so fans write: laurie.metrose@cbs.com and jennifer.verti@cbs.com and let them know you want a continuation or a movie (we can all remember where the first "TOS" movie led to, right?).
@@AzguardMike I thought it was her father who she discovers was a Romulan who fell for her mother. Not sure her mother was a Romulan, just a Syrannite.
@@AzguardMike I thought it was to be her father T'Pol who discovered to be the Romulan.
bad title, phlox did not break confidentiality, the vulcan doctors figured it out for themselves.
he did damage to T'Pol by going against her directly expressed wishes in taking a risk and losing
No, he did not tell them anything that would have given them the exact nature of the situation without a doubt, but in practice the effects were the same and they deduced it.
@@FluteMan10000 by unethical means, it was their bullshit prejudice that did the damage, not phlox.
I agree with both points. Phlox trod a very careful line by not /directly/ naming T'pol. However Jordan is right too; it wouldn't take a genius to work out Phlox was referring to her so indirectly Phlox identified her. Legally he was just the right side of the line. Morally not so much.
To be fair, he made it easy. Much like Sisko discussing confidential matters he wantedthe Cardassians to know before suspected Cardassian spy Garak.
@@markdurl8341 yes, but.... regardless of the ethicality of the Vulcans, T'Pol asked Phlox not to do what he proceeded to do. T'Pol knew that they would have suspected something, even if they weren't going to necessarily act on it, yet Phlox thought it was a risk worth taking.
Phlox is a cool guy but this is a situation in which his mistake directly led to them knowing about T'Pol.
these vulcan are pretty emotional
id of asked for worst things you know you wont get. "I want information on the Pon-Far" and include the illness as an after thought. The Vulcans would instantly say "no" to the request because the Pon Far is private, however after some dialogue would concede to the illness. Maybe a quid-quo-pro.
Phlox is good at many things, but lying isn't one of them. Pity Garak wasn't around to give him some lessons!
So much appreciation is going on.
I miss this amazing show.
OMG! @ 0:29 that’s the older American Airlines First class China they are eating off of …. That’s so funny
Hacking it all together like this takes away the contextual content and will leave anyongvwho hasn't seen the episode already scratching there head.
I think the title is misleading, I don't recall T'pol demanding Phlox not to bring the subject with them as they ended their conversation.
huh? regardless, it was still a medical matter and as a doctor, phlox should have known that any medical information pertaining to any of his patients should never be disclosed to anyone else without the patient's consent. to be fair, phlox did not directly disclose t'pol's condition. but a breach of medical confidentiality need not be intentional. the fact is, phlox stupidly asked about a health condition unique to vulcans while serving as CMO on a spaceship with a single vulcan officer. surely it didnt require a vulcan's overinflated sense of his own intellect to put two and two together and figure out that phlox is only asking because the sole vulcan officer on enterprise has been afflicted
A very good episode...
Any human would have done the denobulin in for it!
Why do you have a channel for this character but not the other characters?
Logic reasons, off course.
Is no one seeing the metaphor in this episode?
Criminal side eye 2:13
Angelina Jolie stunt double
Phlox is sigma
My life has been a complete and total misery ever since Bigfoot stole my precious girlfriend in the middle of the night.😒 He even took all her clothes and the T.V.
I'm laughing because the same thing happened to my idiot brother when he moved his crackhead girlfriend (who he had known an entire day) in.
he introduced us. i spoke to her for five minutes then went to my room, packed all my guns and sneaked them to my dad's house that night for safekeeping.
Bro's caddy seville.also went missing. he recovered the car but a few days later someone called demanding that bro turn over the caddy because she had "sold" the car to him.
believe it or not my idiot bro thinks i"m the stupid one.
th0ts and prayers 2 u during this difficult time
@@jessebianchi2631 Crackheads always have the best excuses...they have an awesome job but are driving a 2003 Altima with the airbag cut out and a wobbly spare tire. They went to jail a few times but it was always someone else's fault. The pants they're wearing are someone else's pants, just loaned to them for the day. That's not their backpack, it's some guy's who told them to take it.
I used to live in a cabin in the woods with my wife. One day, Bigfoot appeared. We would greet each other and he was very friendly. He would even accompany me on walks and help me chop and gather wood. But then one day he broke into my cabin while I wasn't there, and kidnapped my wife and has not been seen ever since. I sure do miss him.
title incorrect - logic flawed
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We get it… it’s an aides reference. Christ beat us Over the head with it some more
Topless Tpol ftw.
The episode where Jolene Blalock left the show.
Except she didn't, she stayed to the end. T'Pol's case is pleaded and it's decided in the end it wasn't her fault that she contracted the disease as it was forced on her. Shortly after this the Xindi attacks Earth and she is ordered off Enterprise. T'Pol resigns her commission with the Vulcan High Command and becomes a full time member of Starfleet. Enterprise is one of two Trek shows to date that has completed it's run with no change in the main cast from beginning to end, the other being the Animated Series.
What episode is this from?
@@VegetaLF7 Wow! Spoiler alert. Some people haven't seen Enterprise yet. I'm saving it for retirement.
@@AlphonseZukor lmao
@@L30NARDO72 The one where the studio asked ENT to do an ‘aids’ episode… not joking. T’Pol was written to have has the Vulcan mind equivalent of aids and all the stigma that comes with it. Only for a senior official to stand and declare “I also have Vulcan aids”
… The premise isn’t bad but the writing and direction were flat. Only the execution saved what little dignity could be scraped out of the episode that was shoehorned in thanks to studio interference… and without a decent writer to elevate the material.
Terrible editing and continuity.
Vulcans at their worst
Enterprise at its worst -- crap all over the Vulcans and change everything about then we learned from the original series
Isn't Phlox one of the most annoying characters ever?
Nah that was Neelix Binks on voyager.
@@LordTalax Neelix was so unnecessary.
Neelix, or Wesley Crusher, Phlox doesn't come close he is a good guy.
no dumbass
he was one of the only two characters on that show worth watching
Agree.
If I was captain if would be a standing order that T’pol wear no clothes.
Like a Ferengi female?
Remember that seinfeld episode? It's not all that it is cracked up to be...
why she looks good in clothes
Poor T'Pol; she'd freeze. She already had to wear a special catsuit to stay warm and be able to adjust to our lower gravity. I think she's suffered enough.
You want to run the risk of your human male crew not be able to focus on their jobs, I know I wouldn't be able to.