The Council of Elrond is a chapter you wouldn't find in a modern book! My personal favourites are The Shire Chapters. From Frodo deciding to leave, waiting for Gandalf and setting out whilst being hunted by black Riders. There's something very immersive and gripping about them.
There was tension in the air at the Council. You could feel how important every word uttered was to the fate of Middle Earth. You could feel how old Elrond is by his firsthand accounts of what happened in the past. The emotions of all who were there could be felt. You can feel that Boromir is a voice of reason even while the ring is trying to corrupt him during the Council. Legolas is truly apologetic and worried by what news he had to bring. So much more was told and decided in that chapter than any other.
"The Choices of Master Samwise" is my favorite chapter. Sam is my favorite character in LOTR and Tolkien had me convinced that Sam was gonna have to finish the journey on his own. It truly had me glued in as my dad read it to me, my brother and mother. Ill never forget my feelings while I heard this chapter read to me.
Honestly my favorite Book is Book 1! The whole Birthday Party, slow realization of the seriousness of the situation, the whole plan of leaving the Shire, delving into the Old Forest and of course meeting Tom Bombadil! Then the relief of making it the Bree, still fleeing the mysterious Black Riders, being confused about where Gandalf could be, being confronted by Strider and all that! I just like it a lot. It’s still my favorite part upon re-reads. Idk about any favorite single chapter though 🤔 that’s a harder question I think….I suppose if I had to choose it might be “The Choices of Master Samwise.” It cemented Sam as my all-tome favorite character of Middle Earth
My favorite chapter has changed over the years. For a long time The Return of the King was my least favorite of the three volumes, but recently I’ve come to appreciate it much more, and The Siege of Gondor stands out now as my favorite chapter, due to the buildup of tension and sense of impending doom seen from Pippin’s perspective, and especially the fall-out of the return of Faramir. The moment he sees Pippin among the cheering crowd in the city, and then shortly after tells his father that “this is not the first halfling that I have seen walking out of northern legends into the Southlands” excites me like nothing else. It’s so rare to see Gandalf so unnerved - “At that Gandalf sat up and gripped the arms of his chair…Pippin became aware that Gandalf’s hands were trembling as they clutched the carven wood.” We witness all the anguish, fear, and resentment of Denethor unleashed, with his denouncement of Faramir sharply contrasted with the clear admiration the city’s defenders feel for him.
Exposition, because this chapter represents just that, is often regarded these days especially as sometimes necessary but should be quickly told so that the narrative can return to the action. This you learn often from those who would analyse and criticise many stories both in book form and on the screen. I on first reading many years ago when I was in my teens loved this chapter much like yourself because the previous part of the story alluded and hinted at a wider story with a deeper history, this chapter broadened the understanding of the peril. By the end the reader is left in no doubt that the lore and events are of great consequence to all of the peoples of Middle Earth. It served me to deepen my engagement in the reading for the rest of the story as such it is a chapter I have returned to in isolation many times just to glean all I could from it. I do think these days that in all literature the reluctance to have characters provide exposition for the reader is a huge mistake and those that would scorn this in writing and scripting do not understand the true art of storytelling.
The Council of Elrond is an important chapter as it provides historic context to the story. More so as at the time of publishing LOTR Tolkien saw little hope in the publication of The Silmarillion and no reader would be aware of events and peoples not mentioned in The Hobbit. That said, my favourite chapter is The Battle of Pelennor Fields. Reading it for the first time I, for the only time, in any book, re-read it immediately.
It occurs to me that this chapter may be difficult to give justice when adapted into a movie, but that it could have been an incredible bottle or even anthology episode as we are presented with each character's story. You could also combine the two using 2D animation to represent each of the tales told. Animation gets dogged on, but for stylistic representations of more condensed stories within stories it's difficult to beat. You can represent something like the decline of Gondor over the course of centuries with just narration and a few seconds of poignant imagery. In my head it's something like "The man who planted trees." a lot of which is charcoal on a canvas. Something meant to mimic physical, real world art. Make Gondor a tapestry that grows more ragged and crude as you move forward, speak of Tom Bombadil in watercolors, etc.
I submit “Shelob’s Lair”. Our main protagonists confront possibly the greatest obstacles to the quest. There are several allusions to the greater legendarium like Ungoliant, The Mountains of Terror, The Valley of Spiders, Beren’s flight to Doriath, Luthien, The War of Wrath, Earendil’s Silmaril, & Sauron’s early founding of Mordor
I love The Council of Elrond. It was one of two chapters that set Tolkien's work firmly in my imagination, simply because they convey the sense of depth that Tolkien strived to achieve. The other, of course, is the Shadow of the Past. If I was made to choose, I would opt for the latter, simply because of the atmosphere of menace that it conveys. It is Shadow that inspires my annual read reading of LotR. But it was Council that ensured that I read the appendices and every volume of the History of Middle Earth. Thank you once again for the richness of your own conception of Tolkien's world.
What a great statement about the Council! I totally agree that reading about the back story really made me want to know about the past and it got me to read the Silmarillion and some of the HoME books. After watching this thing of beauty Steven gave to us, I feel inspired to read all of the books I haven't read.
Its strange to me no one here has mentioned "The Choices of Master Samwise" yet. It was by far my most favourite chapter of the series. The moment when Sam thinks Frodo is dead and then decides to take the mission to save Middle Earth all on himself gives me goosebumps even thinking about the first time I read it.
It is quite funny. The first time I read it, I couldn't finish it. I was bored to death by it (mind that I had already read the Silmarillion). But a few weeks ago, I decided to hear all the books in the audiobook version, and it was by far one of my favorite chapters of the entire saga.
I also love this Chapter and do not find it boring in the least. However, I’m hard put to say what my favorite chapter is. However, I’ve often been struck by - not only my own - the desire to read and re-read these books. A few years ago I got a glimpse of it when, talking to one of the sons of my closest friends, the subject of the LOTR came up. Apparently he tried to read it but, “there was too much description,” he said. This was a well educated young man and it took me aback. “That’s the whole point!” I said. So I wondered if that is why I keep returning to the book. I don’t know how others read, but when I do I immerse myself in the story … and Tolkien has a way of creating his world as though it is real. I tell people that I can actually leave the book, in a sense, and walk about … leaving the characters to go on ahead where I will catch up. For that reason, I may say that Three’s Company is my favorite, yet primarily for this passage: “When they had walked for about three hours they rested. The night was clear, cool, and starry, but smoke-like wisps of mist were creeping up the hill-sides from the streams and deep meadows. Thin-clad birches, swaying in a light wind above their heads, made a black net against the pale sky. They ate a very frugal supper (for hobbits), and then went on again. Soon they struck a narrow road, that went rolling up and down, fading grey into the darkness ahead: the road to Woodhall, and Stock, and the Bucklebury Ferry. It climbed away from the main road in the Water-valley, and wound over the skirts of the Green Hills towards Woody End, a wild corner of the Eastfarthing.” I walk then in the woods of the Shire under moonlight and starlight, sniffing the air and hearing the wind in the trees, and watching the twinkling lights. I love going back to that place. Maybe that’s why I return over and over again. Middle Earth and all its beauty (and horror) is laid out by the literary genius of Tolkien. I never tire of it.
I wonder what The Lord of the Rings would be like with "less description". It seems strange to me! That's a good chapter to choose when you put it like that. The only other person I have heard of picking that chapter was someone who commented on this video. Now that I think about it, the descriptions and scenery in that chapter are remarkable, especially for that area of the world. The next time we see it, it's almost ruined with the Scouring of the Shire. Like a last glimpse of that innocence before they return from their quest.
@@TheRedBook Indeed. And, perhaps, that’s one reason I (and others) return to the beginning over and over again … a Return to Eden in a sense … a longing for that lost innocence.
I love how you said that you leave the characters to go ahead to catch up with them later. I also enjoy reading books this way, especially the LOTR. Sometimes I only read a chapter or two to dive into the world, and close the book. Then the story starts to unfold inside of my head. But this time I am not a simple observer - I am a part of a story, a side character wothout a prescribed route, who is free to wander and explore. I find this way of reading so much more exciting!
I really enjoy the section with leaving The Shire, The Old Forest, and Tom Bombadil. I think maybe because I grew up with the films, and found it interesting how much was left out when I got around to reading the books
Book 1 seems to generally be the least favourite, alongside book 4...at least from the opinions I've read over the years. I think the adventure of Book 1 is great and dare I say...underrated! I have read that many people struggle to continue reading because of the Shire chapters.
I was about to comment the same thing. I found the vibe in Tom Bombadil's house so entrancing, and I reread the description of Frodo's dream multiple times. Knowing the story coming in but not knowing about Tom caused him to fill me with such wonder. Like, "oh, here's somebody that's breaking all the rules of the story".
@@TheRedBook Book One kept me from reading LotR when I was in high school, even though ALL of my best friends had read it and talked about it a lot. I tried to read it just to know what they were talking about, but the party did me in.😞
My favorite chapter: Window on the West. This chapter has so much. Tension -- will Faramir turn out to be a friend or foe? Satisfaction -- Faramir is a man of honor and a wise man too. A good meal -- Tolkien is good at describing meals. A simple religious ritual (the Standing Silence), only one in the trilogy. Plus a cave behind a waterfall at sunset -- wondrously beautiful!
I honestly love those too. I suppose it's easy to say that having a favourite doesn't mean I like the others much less. The Fellowship of the Ring is my favourite volume!
The 'problem' of the Tom Bombadil sections is not the content, but the tone. Tolkien hasn't really left 'The Hobbit' form at point of writing, and the 'look backs' in later LotR discussion is kind of papering over the cracks. I think it is still the weakest part of the trilogy, not because the content is bad, or wrong in substanc,e but because he didn't re-write it with reference to - for instance, the Council of Elrond. He needed to find a seriousness of writing style which matched that of the other 'powers' (Ents, Wizards, Elves) to apply to the Tom Bombadil 'folk' and nursery rhyme which worked well in 'the Hobbit' but doesn't sit well in 'tLotR'.
@@stueyapstuey4235 Tom's section Is a splendid reprieve from all the darkness and chaos of the prior chapters. The characters and the reader get to actually relax and feel safe for a brief moment. There's also the mystery of Tom which lingers in the back of your mind. The scene where he saves the crew trapped in the Barrow Downs encapsulates this feeling of being protected by something greater than yourself.
Really? It made me feel claustrophobic and a little paranoid, even before we know Gollum is following them. I am definitely not a Dwarf kind of person.
I really love the Scouring of the Shire. It's so powerful to me to see how the Hobbits changed during the great adventure we shared with them. It's so exciting to read about the courage of Merry and Pippin when they rally their fellows and led them in battle against the brigands. And its so beautiful and sad to see Sam's love for the Shire, that place that Frodo and his companions have always held dear. It's especially striking to see Sam's courage and innocence in the face of Saruman's evil and his emotion feels so genuine and potent. I think my favorite moment of the chapter is Frodo's show of mercy to Saruman. It crushes me to see a Wizard who was once noble like Gandalf clinging to jealousy and pride. But at the same time it's so hopeful to see Frodo's courage and humility. He doesn't do mighty deeds like Merry or Pippin but he stops the Hobbits from letting evil enter them. Saruman was conquered by lust for power and even though Frodo was ultimately conquered by the Ring he chooses to escape the Rings shadow instead of letting it consume him. It's tragic to see Saruman's fall but so powerful to see Frodo's rise to Love. I love the Council of Elrond for sake of the lore and depth it adds to Tolkien's world- It stands out just like you said and it is certainly one of my favorites. But I love the thematic climax of the Scouring of the Shire it does so well at bringing home the 'moral of the story'.
The Scouring of the Shire is so important and much like Book 1 seems like a small adventure before the bigger one, Scouring does the same thing in Book 6 but with all the lessons taken from the earlier journey. I have to agree with you about Frodo, in fact, that's a favourite moment of mine as well. Even Saruman is 'almost' lost for words when all his taunts and attempts to corrupt and anger Frodo don't work. This Hobbit shows he is the better person, wiser than Saruman the Wise. Even Saruman has to acknowledge it and he hates him for it.
Definitely The Battle of Pelannor Field. So many characters face horror and overcome it. In the end of it all, Eowyn, who begins her story resenting how she has to care for an old man, throws everything she’s got to defend that old man. Merry finally finds out how valuable he is. Aragorn brings the dead. It’s not all blood and gore. There is courage in the face of impossible odds. Best chapter ever.
You know, I guessed completely right. The Council of Elrond is also my favourite chapter in the entire LOTR, for upon it the rest of the books are based. it is both the destination and the setting out point for all the journeys and the only place where all travellers cross paths. those who began the tale pass the baton on to those who will complete it and it spans a vast breadth of time that is not obvious until you look deeper into the lore.
Since it began in June/July of this year, this channel has set a consistent quality standard of the very highest order. 1. I'd be quite pleased if your analysis of this chapter continued for another twenty minutes. 2. I'd be more than happy for you to read the whole chapter. 3. The Shadow and the Council are indeed the most substantive chapters of the whole work. For me as a thirteen year old, reading them for the first time several decades ago was my earliest introduction to anything which might be considered dense or complex writing.
I read Fellowship when I was 9. It took me six hours to read Council of Elrond one Sunday afternoon when everyone in my family left to go to my older brother's traveling hockey game. When I got done with the chapter, I felt such a HUGE sense of accomplishment, enlightenment, purpose and pride in myself, the English language and the craft of literature and the power of imagination. It completely changed me as a person forever. One of the greatest days of my life. So much that I remember it forty years later.
I do love the Council of Elrond. If my favorite chapter is The Battle of Pelennor Fields, that is only because all of the worldbuilding and choices we've seen in the book up to this place pay off so well.
Good point Shawn, the late chapters really benefit from such expertly crafted build-up and world-building as you say. Aragorn's arrival at the Pelennor is incredible and a lot of that is because of how far we have journeyed with him.
I was going to say the same; The Battle of Pelennor Fields is where everything comes together and shifts into high gear; also Tolkien’s prose shifts into a kind of elevated speech usually reserved for sagas, epics, and heroic romances, the kind of elevated and somewhat archaic speech we simply never see in modern fiction. Also the fellowship sans Frodo and Sam, and their storylines, are reunited. Everything comes together in a satisfying manner.
I just finished reading The Return of the King today, now I feel empty, knowing that there will be no other books or series that will be as equivalent as JRR Tolkien’s trilogy. Thank you, Sir Tolkien, for giving us such an awesome story and letting me experience the world you created.
The Grey Havens. One of the themes of the book is that the third age is ending and the realm of men begin. It is an end to a world of magic and wonder, and a transition to our Mundane world. The last chapter hits you in the face with this, and is incredibly sad as you realize the magic and wonder Has ended. I cried the first time.
Agreed but Phil's audiobook is strong throughout all chapters in my opinion. The Council of Elrond is certainly a highlight though, demonstrating its qualities I spoke of here.
I don't think I've ever read Three is Company as being someone's favourite. Very interesting! It all opens a bit in that chapter, especially when we meet Gildor.
Three is company is in my top five list..Reading it s a child it just seems like a simple beginning of the Adventure ..when you then read it as an adult there is a lot more to it..you see change,decisions,duty, sacrafice ...a feeling inside of knowing that the the adventure you..didnt want in the First Place Will change you forever..a beginning to an end and a goodbye to the cosy shire and a hello to the real world. The part when Frodo says "the Road goes ever on n on etc" even makes me get emotional.
I will wholeheartedly agree that Council of Elrond is the best (my favorite) chapter of the books. I also agree with you on why it is the best chapter. I grew up reading the books from about age 13, and nearly every 2 years after that I reread them. This was always the chapter that I slowed down on and really read with gravity. It was only after I had read the LotR three times that I came across the Silmarillion. The Silmarillion was Tolkien's real labor of love, and sadly it never even came near being published in his lifetime. I became obsessed with the legendarium of the Silmarillion when I was a teenager. I finally had an answer to all the questions Elrond left unanswered about the Eldar Days and the history of the First Age. It was very satisfying to finally have that history filled in. While the narrative of LotR is very satisfying, it was never JRRT's true dream to right that story. It was really a sequel to the Silmarillion and other works that his son, Christopher, eventually edited and published posthumosely. So, I go back to what the author of this video and I both agree on, that Council of Elrond is our best chapter of LotR, and it is because it gives a hint of the vast history behind the story of Sauron and the One Ring, the Dunedain, the Elves, and so much more in the LotR books.
I've read the Council of Elrond dozens of times, it's the kind of chapter I feel vicariously involved in that cozy haven of master of lores, Lord Elrond. It is so mysterious, archaic and legendary. To me, CoE in the LOTR is the most important punctuation point, it sets and accelerates the narrative. I knew you'd chose the Council chapter before it was revealed. Thanks for the amazing video again.
This is also my favorite chapter! My top 10: 1. Council of Elrond 2. Shadow of the Past 3. Mount Doom 4. Fields of Cormallen 5. The Last Debate 6. Flotsam and Jetsam 7. Battle of Pelennor Fields 8. The Land of Shadow 9. Helm's Deep 10. Grey Havens
Excellent as always, I find it hard to understand when somebody tells me that some parts of the book we could go without. I love it dearly, specially the parts where Frodo is leaving the Shire, Old Forest and Barrow-downs, Conspiracy unmasked is one of my favourites, it’s hard to tell, I kinda perceive the book as a whole, can’t explain it really, I am not very good with written word. I don’t find any of it boring or to long or far fetched( Tom Bombadil) The more deep it goes in the lore the better. So I really can’t pin point my favourites chapters but I could my favourite moments and these are many…
Yes, I understand what you are saying. If any of these moments were taken from the novel, then the novel would suffer. It's the sum of its parts. It's as I said in the video, The Lord of the Rings isn't just 'plot', there's the whole world to explore and everything in it.
I must admit that, on my first read, this chapter was one of my least favourite (along with the Shire chapters and, to my great shame, the Tom Bombadil ones)... What can I say, I had only seen a few illustrations at that time, went in expecting endless armies fighting gigantic battles, and ended up confronted with Hobbits talking, walking, eating, and singing about hot water! ^^ Now, these are the chapters I enjoy revisiting the most, as they have their own atmosphere: the Shire, Bombadil, the Old Forest, the Barrows... It all seems like a small version of Middle-Earth, with its own heroes, ancient families (Tooks, Baggins...), pleasant places and less pleasant ones, and ever-elusive magic. As you say, the Council is a pivotal moment in the story and a pause to take time and breathe in the vast world of Middle-Earth. Though, I can't say it's my favourite... neither that one, or any other... because I feel like playing favourites with my own children when I try and pick one!
Your thoughts really echo mine during my initial readings. I hope to cover such details in my "least favourite" chapters discussion. Much of that will be about my least favourite in the past since I now enjoy every chapter (though I certainly think 1 or 2 are weaker compared to others). Book 1 is so underappreciated and it's for all the reasons you state. Now I read it and I really wish the stay at Bombadil's house was longer, I wish we got more of the Shire, and I think the Barrow-downs chapter is such a gem of a horror chapter. The mini adventure of Book 1 is worthy of reading on its own.
It’s my favourite aswell. I particularly love the description of the mountains of Moria. Did you know Tolkien based the mountains of Moria on the jungfrau, Eiger and Monck.
My favourite chapter has to be The Voice Of Saruman I love the mental battle Gandalf and Saruman have, I love how Saruman tries to still turn Théoden to his side and when that don't work he tries to get Gandalf on his side again. Its just a perfect chapter in my opinion
Great choice. I love that we finally get the encounter with Saruman after so many chapters and he lives up to the name. A battle without physical weapons.
@@TheRedBook Exactly its not what you would typically think is going to happen when they all meet, you think a big wizard battle is going to happen but no a battle of voices happens and that's why professor Tolkien is the master of fantasy.
Great choice. Hard to pick a favorite chapter, and my choice might change each time you ask me. But I think "The Uruk-Hai" is an awesome chapter. I love it because it gives us a chance to get to know the orcs a little bit. Their dialog is awesome. We get a view of Ugluk's leadership skills, and also a glimpse at the rivalries and conflicting loyalties among the different orc groups.
That's a good choice. I like their dialogue too. It also makes them seem less like monsters but beings with motives. Ugluk is great but I really like Grishnakh.
@@TheRedBook Also I enjoy their name-calling of the Rohirrim (horse-boys, strawhairs, etc.) One of the great failings of the films is not taking advantage of this dialog. I would rather have had 10 minutes cut from the Helm's Deep scenes, in favor of much more from this chapter, as faithful as possible. Great film villains are great, in part, because we get to know them via top-notch dialog (think Hans Gruber in Die Hard). We could have had this insight into the orcs with some different filmmaking choices, alas. The other bits of orc dialog from Shagrat, Gorbag, et al, and also from the snuffling orc and his partner as they hunt Sam and Frodo, offer more peeks into their mindset. These are precious (if I may dare use that word) since they are so few.
This has been a very good explanation of the chapter your layout and format was great, would you consider doing another two for the 2nd and 3rd Book in trilogy a best chapter in each?
I kind of shot myself in the foot by doing the favourite chapter and not thinking people would like the format enough to want more of the same for other chapters. I have thought about it and really am considering doing more discussion videos on other favourite chapters. Maybe not even just "favourites" but important chapters. With the same format. If you are talking The Two Towers and The Return of the King, I already have some chapters in mind for that...
Brilliant video about a marvelous chapter..in my opinion a very important chapter within the entire lord of the rings books...i see it as the center of the story filled with detail and very important information needed for the plot..it is no where near boring..doesnt make sense to call it boring. My favourite book is the fellowship of the ring...and can not choose one favourite chapter easily..each chapter is special in its own way ..maybe top five favorites from first book from memory is the Shadow of the past, the counsil of Elrond ,three is company ,a long expected party and the mirror of Galadriel. 🧚🏻♀️✨✨
My first video in this new series was supposed to be a quick video I could make at this time of year. It ended up being one of my longest videos and used twice as many images as I have used in any other video. I didn't even have room to list them all in the description like I usually do but the link to all images, artists, and sources is still in the description. It will be my last video of 2021 and I hope everyone enjoys it. Please leave your thoughts and let's talk about the greatest chapters of The Lord of the Rings! Also just hit 9000 subscribers today, thanks, everyone! Consider joining the channel - ruclips.net/channel/UCPOz2P0OxWp0ij0K4BsLsRwjoin
In 1979 I was attending the US Navy’s nuclear power school in Orlando, Florida. Every Friday evening (occasionally Saturday) my Tolkien-loving friends and I would take over a long table at the local Pizza Hut and drunkenly re-enact the Council of Elrond. I was always Boromir. Ah the Great Days of my youth! Oh- I also remember we would discuss how to cast a LOTR movie- Alec Guiness as Gandalf, Christopher Reeve as Glorfindel, wrestler Roddy Piper as Boromir…
If 12 Angry Men- a story about the members of a jury in deliberation- can be made into a classic movie, I can’t think of a reason why the Council could not be similarly treated. Of course times have changed, it might be difficult to make a movie about a bunch of actors doing nothing but acting for 90 minutes. No special effects or fighting except as flashbacks in the history lesson parts.
@@martystrasinger3801 I hope you stopped the binge drinking. Nuclear anything and drinking are worse than drinking and driving. Sarcasm, in case you didn't know.😉
@@Enerdhil Thanks for your concern! But what is one to do with a drunken sailor who re-enacts Tolkien in bars with his mates and sets poetry from LOTR to music?🎶😂
I've just finished my 3rd reading of LOTR. I've gotten more out of it now than ever before, no doubt because all of the legenderium information that I now am aware of (though I don't read outside LOTR/Hobbit). I have an easier time telling you my least favorite chapter (Faramir and Eowyn falling in love!) than my favorite. Right now, I'd have to say that I am most impressed Faramir and Frodo's first meeting in Two Towers. Such language as is used there is musical, full of warmth and self-awareness. Any time Merry, Pippin or Frodo & Sam are around the Kings of Men, the language used in dialogue is amazing.
Reading The Hobbit for the first time in years, I benefit from these vids and having recently read the silmarillion. But the best part is I read out loud as I record it for my nephew. The magic of Tolkien also resides in the Joy of telling a story.
Being a “lore lover” and a “book eater” I agree with the choice. But the chapter that most stirred my feelings was THE CHOICES OF MASTER SAMWISE (it actually goes on in the chapter THE TOWER OF CIRITH UNGOL). I guess that Tolkien’s ability to put us inside Sam’s simpler mind is what shakes me most.
In chronological order: 1. The Shadow of the Past 2. The Council of Elrond 3. The Breaking of the Fellowship 4. The Passage of the Marshes 5. Shelob’s Lair (Especially with the connection to the light of the Two Trees and Ungoliant.) My favorite probably changes with each reading.
I'm not sure exactly which chapter, but something in book one. The journey to Crickhollow, leaving the Shire and the rest of the journey to Rivendell just feel so immersive and real somehow.
I am so in love with this chapter. When I first picked up the book I did the exact same thing as you, I got confused by the singing and the Tom Bombadil part. I didn't particularly know if I liked it and I just wanted to move on the stuff you see in the films. Now I'm thankful some chapters like Tom Bombadil's didn't get adapted. I doubt it would've been done particularly well. Now it lives on as its own magical thing in the books and it just couldn't have been done better.
It seems that some just can't get into those parts and will never get into them. I tend to find that people who think that just want "the story" and don't like everything that counts as sidetracking. I love all the stuff around the story, it's what makes Middle-earth special.
"I will take the ring," he said, "though I do not know the way."... Elrond raised his eyes and looked at him, and Frodo felt his heart pierced by the sudden keenness of the glance."..."if you take it freely, I will say that your choice is right; and though all the mighty elf-friends of old, Hador, and Hurin, and Turin, and Beren himself were assembled together, your seat should be among them." -The Fellowship of the Ring, Book 2, Chapter 2, The Council of Elrond, by JRRT
You are on point with the Council of Elrond. And certainly a single best chapter is a challenge, but Merry Pippin and Tree Beard is always a favorite for me.
I'll say that Treebeard was one of the most difficult chapters to get through in my initial readings but it means a lot nowadays, you can tell Tolkien really enjoyed that part.
I love the council of Elrond, my favourite part is when Elrond discloses that he was at the siege of Mordor and with the host of the Valar at the war of wrath. I cannot remember the chapter, but when Gandalf explains why he likes hobbits. He explains it in better detail in the Hobbit movie. I also like the Choices of Master Samwise, particularly when the ring tries to tempt him and utterly fails, it shows how pure Sam is and how little the Ring can offer him. Most chapters with Gandalf are good as he usually parts with either some part of history or wisdom.
I think you mixing up two things. The valar only participated in the battle against Morgoth. They were not part of the battle to take down Sauron the first time.
@@jaeluxe I know that Elrond says that he was a the siege of Mordor and the host was great but small compared to the host of the Valar in the first age. I could be mistaken, but the point is that there are hints all through the book of a history not told in the LOTR.
I love the Fellowship of the Ring , first chapters till the departure from Bree. I love the descriptions of simple life and the fact that you see all these characters happy, simple, before going through all the suffering: Aragorn is just a ranger called Strider, Gandalf is just a wizard in the hobbits eyes and the hobbits are simple, happy, typical hobbits .The fact that they have time to just sit down and talk , be it with Gandalf or Tom or Strider. The pacing is great, slow, calm. The calm before the storm. The good old times before everything changes forever. Before they change forever. In contrast to that the Appendices make me sad. So sad that I rarely read them. Because it tells me how all my heroes will get old and die. Like in real life: you don't want to think or know about how it will be when you get old or how you will die but also....you want to know. But knowing it all doesn't give you any satisfaction and olny makes you think about the futility of life. Forgive my long comment!✌️
P. S. Honourable mentions: At the Sign of the Prancing Pony and Strider. Also The Siege of Gondor, and I had better stop here before falling down the rabbit hole. :D
It is more than 50 years since I first read the book, but I still have a vivid memory of my first impression. It was that each chapter was better than the last, the world was always expanding both in time and space, character and depth, until the destruction of the ring. Thereafter it was a slow graceful descent back to the smallness of the Shire, only to face the surprise of the need for the scouring. Then the tantalising further expansion of Frodo's onward journey. I think this is another under-appreciated part of Tolkien's writing. Thank you for another fascinating video and for stirring those memories.
Completely agree that the council of elrond is one of the most important chapters for world building. I don't think i could pick out a favourite chapter but i always remember my first reading of LOTR and it was the description as they fellowship passes the Argonath that gave me the feeling of being in an old world with its own history. 👍
I agree this is one of the best chapters in the book, for its depth and bringing together key elements of the story that need explaining at this point if the decisions of what they are to do next, and who is to do what, make sense. I feel the Movie trilogy did a pretty good job, however. To put the events discussed on screen, you have to show them as much as possible, not just have people discussing them. Much of what is discussed in this chapter is shown at various points in the films. The prologue covers much of what is discussed, Gandalf’s imprisonment by Sauron is shown, Gollum’s history also. main area I think they could have added without making the scene too long would be Sharon’s approach to Dain. That could have been done in a couple of minutes max and would have brought the role of the dwarf’s more into the story.
I personally love this chapter. Definitely one of my favorites. It's so detailed and I can easily picture myself sitting there amongst all the speakers
I liked the chapter of Tom Bombadil, when it describes the rain it really gave me a beautiful nostalgia of old times in my childhood when I used to believe that all forest and trees were magical and full of wonders. Even now I think I still have some of that way of thinking, but it is not so much stronger like before.
I agree, even when I first read it decades ago, The Council of Elrond was my favorite chapter. It gives you lore (which I enjoy), but you get to see the different perspectives of many characters and watch as they apply the lore in different ways to the problem at hand. Then again, I also love the dinner party in Dune (Chapter 16) for similar reasons, you get to know the world through the varying perspectives of the characters.
For me it's probably 'In the House of Tom Bombadil.' I only read Fellowship as a kid, but I remember especially loving Tom Bombadil. They find his home in the middle of the Old Forest, which is so dark and creepy, but Tom is so happy and is always singing. I love the mystery surrounding him, and the fact that he isn't in the Peter Jackson movies only makes me love him more. Also, the music that plays in his house in Lord of the Rings Online is some of my favorite music in any video game.
I hear a lot of talk about him in the movies but I have this feeling they wouldn't have been able to to Tom Bombadil any justice., I love his chapters in the novel.
As has been proven by Cory Olsen, it’s not unrealistic to talk about this chapter alone for a couple of years 😳 and my favourite pandemic pastime has been to listen 🤓
Always interested when speaking to people who read it all the way back then before I was even born. I just turned 35! I've been reading it for about 22 years and I can't see myself stopping.
Idk about LOTR but my favorite moment in the Silmarillion is when Melian confronts Galadriel about the return of the Noldor. Imagining Galadriel squirm under the scrutiny is priceless. Only a true Valar could do that.
I don't think I have a favourite chapter. I think the question can be asked in a different way. Why do you like reading fantasy fiction? To explore mythical worlds and their history? To see how a prophecy unfolds (the chosen one defeats the dark one)? Or, to see heroes being heroic? Tolkien has all of this in the books but it is first and foremost a world building exercise and this chapter nails it as does this channel.
A good point but I've had bad experiences with a lot of 'fantasy fiction' based on what I thought I'd like. I am really into exploring mythical worlds and history as you say there but many stories fail despite me being told that they would appeal. Tolkien just seems to stand out in some unique way.
Man the whole first book... A long expected party, shadows of the past..a conspiracy unmasked, a road to mushrooms, the ring goes south... Fog on the barrow downs, the council of elrond.. Lothlorien.. All that is gold does not glitter.
After a recent re-read I have decided that my favorite chapter is The Siege of Gondor. I love the slow, steady build up of waiting for what everyone knows will be a huge battle; the gradual collapse of Gondor's defenses and morale, climaxing when the Lord of the Nazgûl breaks the gates and enters the city; his brief standoff with Gandalf; and then the rekindling of hope when the horns of Rohan echo in the city.
I don't know that this chapter is a favorite, but I deem it one of the most important because of its exposition of the breadth of history and culture behind this "least of rings."
Important is a good word for it. The Lord of the Rings needs chapters like this and The Shadow of the Past. They demonstrate quickly that The Lord of the Rings is far larger than The Hobbit.
@@TheRedBook Since The Hobbit was started as Christopher's bedtime stories that makes perfect sense. The good professor had over a decade for this milieu to marinate in his brainpan and to grow into the master work it is.
By far my favourite chapter too. I listened to/read it just a couple of days ago - I usually read the LOTR while listening to Phil Dragash's wonderful audiobook. As you said, this critical, joining section of the book is an absolute masterclass in deep world building and an open window onto the depth and breath of the legendarium. As much as I liked Peter Jackson's trilogy, I particularly hated how the movies adapted it, but this is just another example of how Tolkien's complex, multilayered secondary world cannot really be properly adapted on screen. After this one, the other chapter I love is Mount Doom.
I guess my favorite would be "The Pyre of Denethor." Here the reader is given a deeper understanding of the tragedy of this once noble man who has been brought to the depths of despair (an understanding that the movie spectacularly failed to impart). Proof enough, if any were needed, that even the strongest people can fail.
I agree on Denethor. There are two ... only two.... characters who I didn't like the chosen actor. Denethor --- who I think Donald Sutherland would have been perfect -- in the books is compared in some respects to Gandalf. And yes, he eventually believed what Sauron showed in the palantir, but he didn't work with Sauron, such as Saruman. Kingly and proud. He was a strong man, felled by despair. A great tragedy all things considered. The other is Faramir. And the script for those two.... yeah, only casting and script I didn't feel worthy of the book. Wanted to add: Tolkien wrote in LotR that Denethor put one in mind of Gandalf. He also wrote Faramir put one in mind of Aragorn. And Faramir never was taking Frodo back to his father. He said even if this (object) came to him he wouldn't take it. Then when he realizes what Frodo has, he acts honorably and stands by his statement. I hated the film's revision of Faramir. Later in life Tolkien said Faramir was one of his favorite characters. I hate to think what he would have said about the portrayal in the movie. Films: major fail on both characters.
@@patmullarkey7659 I thought Faramir was okay, especially in the expanded editions where his actions become explicable (as opposed to the theatrical release where he's a raging twit).
Excellent choice. A good chapter for sympathising with Denethor and his grief and madness over just hating him as a bitter old fool (adaptation). I talked about Denethor in my "healing of despair" video but I'd like to do a video entirely focused on him, showing that he wasn't evil.
The chapters that most fascinate me would have to be Lothlorien or the Mirror of Galadriel chapters or perhaps In the House of Tom Bombadil. I've come from an agrarian background and have lamented the destruction of the bioregion I grew up in. I related strongly to the magic of the land of those lands so overlooked that parallels the ancient Great Redwoods in our world valued only as unharvested homes to be cut down for CEO's bonus's. I continue to find myself stunned at the vast majority of the commentators and experts that barely glance at Many Meetings and chapters like those listed above. ...
Yes! The Council of Elrond has been my favorite chapter since I first read LOTR. I was hoping it was yours, as well. Lore is one of my favorite aspects of the legendarium, I have never thought it boring. You hit on a particularly important facet of reading Tolkien: the poems, ruins, strange characters, descriptive narrative, and snatches of history all work to build the world of Middle Earth in our minds. I feel sorry for anyone who reads the books and just wants to "move the story along". I want to spend a year in the house of Elrond.
@TheRedBook Hello, I really enjoyed this video about The Council of Elrond. I love the background music for this video. Cam you please tell what it's called?
To my surprise, I don’t have a favorite chapter in the novel. It’s been so long! But once again, great work on another solid video, one on your personal preferences instead of a literary analysis.
@@TheRedBook I also don’t have a least favorite. Again, it’s been so long since I last read the novel! But you should do the video on your least favorite chapter. Being a fan doesn’t just mean gushing over what you like best. It can and should also mean giving constructive criticism on what you like least. I for one at looking forward to this video of yours!
Dig at Sanderson there huh? I think he has excellent worldbuilding! I'd say my favorite chapter is the King of the Golden Hall, but my favorite Silmarlion chapter is also one many say is boring, Of the Realms of Beleriand.
That's fine of course :D Sanderson's work is very popular. I've certainly read much criticism about the world-building But it would be no different from a video about his work mentioning criticism aimed at Tolkien :)
Hello! I’ve got a question which has always been in my mind, though it is a minor detail: Whose voice was it that came from the West in the dream shared by Faramir and Boromir, which speaks in verse the riddle of Isildur’s Bane, the Halfling, the Broken Sword, and Imladris?
Tolkien says "The verse (if it was already a verse) that brought Boromir to Rivendell is lost in its earliest form with the lost page". It was never explained who was sending it. People commonly think it was Eru or the Valar who did it. When it comes to the Valar, people guess Irmo (related to dreams) or Ulmo (never abandoning the race of Men in Middle-earth). Some think even Gandalf may have played a part. We really don't know so I can't say for sure. I tend to think it was Providence, not one voice in particular but a fulfillment of the will of Eru. Almost like a gentle nudge in a direction.
It is possibly my favourite chapter too, and like one of my favourite films - 12 Angry Men (the 50's version) - though little actually happens during the story at this point, it is too compelling to turn away from.
obviously helms deep. When the Rohirim and Gandalf ride in, it is written with such excitement, not even the final battle in front of the black gate compared.
My favorite will always be the fellowship's journey through Moria. Really from the council of Elrond up to when the fellowship leaves Moria, I love hearing about the entire fellowship traveling together.
Wonderful description of that chapter. I've always been charmed by the the Council of Elrond. I found it too shortened in the movies, and I wanted Bilbo to be there, as he is in the novel. He offered to take the ring to Mt. Doom! ... at his age? I love the Shadow of the past, also. I felt immersed in the world that Tolkien created at the end of the Shadow chapter. I don't get bored easily, not when it is a fascinating and insightful conversation. I wanted the scouring of the Shire in the movie and I'll never quite forgive Jackson for not putting it in. It is when the hobbits proved they are become 'among the greats of Middle Earth.' I remember reading the books the first time, a very long time ago, now. I had an awful time reading the first chapters..I actually hesitated going further than the party tree.. but my sister loved the books and I was curious. By the Council I was absolutely drowning in the 'otherness' of Middle Earth. I wanted to know more. I am amazed at the age of 70 I am still learning more about Tolkien's world. What an amazing creative genius he was!
I'd have to go back and review the chapters again to try and determine a favorite and even then I'm not sure I could narrow it down that far. But The Council of Elrond would certainly be a strong contender. All the information that was given, all the history brought out. It did so much when I first read it to make Middle-Earth feel like a real place with a real history, which has never been matched by any other author. Even such an extraordinary author as Tolkien had some parts where his writing soared to even greater heights.
Controversial :P . I suppose I can just say everyone likes things for different reasons but if people find the talking parts of Tolkien boring then I wonder what it is they love so much!
@@TheRedBook lol yeah, I was being deliberately abrasive but what I mean is that people who don’t like that chapter don’t like Tolkien so much as the worlds he created, or the plots. To love Tolkien as a whole I think you have to have at least some sympathy for long exposition dumps 😂
@@TolkienLorePodcast - It's a strange phenomenon. I often read threads on sites asking for encyclopedias of Tolkien, or lore books, recommended websites or youtube channels because they don't want to actually read the books. A lot of people seem to like the worldbuilding and story but not enough to read it. This is grouping Tolkien in with Marvel and DC or something like that...
Interesting. It does tie in with Gandalf telling Bilbo straight up that his time with the ring is passed, it would be very dangerous to give him it again after he done so well to give it up.
Good question Montie. There are two reasons that pop into my head for this: 1) The council was arranged due to the sudden arrival of many figures from across Middle-earth for varying reasons. Boromir and his dream, Legolas and the escape of Gollum, Gloin and Moria, Erestor on behalf of Cirdan at the Havens, the Hobbits and the ring. It seems like 'chance' and fate has decreed that now is the moment to deal with the ring. Invitations weren't sent out, meaning that no one from Rohan showed up - meaning no one at the council on behalf of them. 2) Rohan was currently in trouble. Grima poisoning the mind of the king, Saruman influencing them, kingdom falling to despair. They were not aware of dealings outside their realm and had their own problems to deal with. We see these problems in The Two Towers when we finally make it to Rohan.
Honestly, my favorite “chapters” are the appendices and historical footnotes at the beginning and end of the saga, especially the end. I guess I’m an historian at heart. From among the prose chapters, perhaps “A Long-Expected Party” and the later chapters after the ring is destroyed: they put a lot in perspective, especially how much change has occurred both prior to and because of the novels.
Interesting choices. I never thought of considering the Appendices but I do enjoy reading them - the history is something that appeals to me greatly as well. And I agree about the latter half of book 6. It's not just a big celebration of the ring being destroyed. There are real changes in the world, including those in it.
Very nice ideas and insightfull! I'm going to listen to that chapter again tonight; I heard it a couple nights ago on an audiobook, and since it had been several years since I read the 4 books, I'd forgotten how many layers and race characteristics Tolkien slowly and deftly reveals. And, information just for fun, I'd starting my every three year read next week....I cannot wait. I would start now , but I'm reading "The Science of Middle- Earth." It's about exactly what it says, and so far it's excellent. I enjoyed your video....now I have to rethink everything; my favorite is......
A re-read every three years :O how do you wait so long!? Which audiobook were you listening to? I highly recommend the one I used for this video - The Council of Elrond chapter just reads so well in that format.
@@TheRedBook What I really like about this chapter is how you can really see how different Faramir and Boromir are. I also like how dedicated Sam is to Frodo; Sam is exhausted and yet he refuses to sleep despite being safe for first time in weeks. Its also touching to see how horrified Faramir is when he finds out Frodo's true purpose. Faramir is a seasoned warrior, who has spent much time under the shadow, yet he is shocked and moved to pity at Frodo and Sam's plight. This further highlights the difference between the brothers- Boromir scoffed at how foolish the quest was, Faramir felt pity. I also really like the little conversation that Sam and Faramir have at the end of the chapter, the one where Sam tells Faramir he has a wizardly air about him. Faramir corrects him and tells him that he maybe mistaking it for the air of Numenor. It highlights how great the Numenoreans must have been before their fall. Great chapter.
I got LOTR audiobook when I was six, council of Elrond and appendix was my favourite at this time cause it was so full of info about world. When it comes to climate it was 3/4 first chapters of book 5, this atmosphere of fear and of coming battle is absolutely overwhelming.
The first time through it was the action chapters that grabbed me, but with re-reads and growing older, the chapters that open the eyes of the Hobbits are the ones that most move me. I love Shadows of the Past, and for economy of story-telling, combining narrative with exposition, The Scouring of the Shire can't be beat. I, too, love the Council of Elrond as between this one and Shadows, they build the context of the world. But my favorite has long been In the House of Tom and Goldberry (with precursor section and pre-Bree wrap up included). That is pure mystery and homely magic. Only Frodo senses the religious underpinnings, but all the Hobbits now realize their world is much bigger and far more dangerous than they'd realized, but full of undeserved grace as well.
I was just thinking about the language of Tolkien's writing, which a lot of people complain about, but to me, it makes it feel timeless. So many other works feel dated and of their time and place immedietely. So much stuff from the Golden Age of Scifi feels like the 1950s or 60s in space. The Lord of the Rings feels like something mythic from the dawn of time. I also love how Tolkien brazenly ignored every modern novelistic convention and piece of writing advice you can imagine. I wouldn't change a word. I think my favorite chapter is actually Helm's Deep. That battle really keeps you on the ede of your seat, and Peter Jackson nailed the 'feel' of it even with all the details you can nitpick.
I agree with your assessment. My favorite chapters are "The Council of Elrond", "The Ring Goes South" and "A Journey In The Dark". "The Council Of Elrond" for the same reasons you described, and the two following chapters because it's when the proper adventure gets started and all 9 of the company are together.
Excellent work Mellon! My favorite chapter is either Ride of the Rohirrim...1.) The funny way the Wildmen speak.2.) Théoden's speech. A close 2nd would be The choices of Master Samwise. The way Tolkien describes how Sam becomes one of the fiercest creatures in the history of middle earth....it's heart warming and also I hate Spiders lol...Keep up the great work Mellon! I'll be waiting for your next video. Have a happy new year! ECTHELION!!
The Council of Elrond is a chapter you wouldn't find in a modern book!
My personal favourites are The Shire Chapters. From Frodo deciding to leave, waiting for Gandalf and setting out whilst being hunted by black Riders. There's something very immersive and gripping about them.
There was tension in the air at the Council. You could feel how important every word uttered was to the fate of Middle Earth. You could feel how old Elrond is by his firsthand accounts of what happened in the past. The emotions of all who were there could be felt. You can feel that Boromir is a voice of reason even while the ring is trying to corrupt him during the Council. Legolas is truly apologetic and worried by what news he had to bring. So much more was told and decided in that chapter than any other.
"The Choices of Master Samwise" is my favorite chapter. Sam is my favorite character in LOTR and Tolkien had me convinced that Sam was gonna have to finish the journey on his own. It truly had me glued in as my dad read it to me, my brother and mother. Ill never forget my feelings while I heard this chapter read to me.
Honestly my favorite Book is Book 1!
The whole Birthday Party, slow realization of the seriousness of the situation, the whole plan of leaving the Shire, delving into the Old Forest and of course meeting Tom Bombadil! Then the relief of making it the Bree, still fleeing the mysterious Black Riders, being confused about where Gandalf could be, being confronted by Strider and all that! I just like it a lot. It’s still my favorite part upon re-reads.
Idk about any favorite single chapter though 🤔 that’s a harder question I think….I suppose if I had to choose it might be “The Choices of Master Samwise.” It cemented Sam as my all-tome favorite character of Middle Earth
My favorite chapter has changed over the years. For a long time The Return of the King was my least favorite of the three volumes, but recently I’ve come to appreciate it much more, and The Siege of Gondor stands out now as my favorite chapter, due to the buildup of tension and sense of impending doom seen from Pippin’s perspective, and especially the fall-out of the return of Faramir. The moment he sees Pippin among the cheering crowd in the city, and then shortly after tells his father that “this is not the first halfling that I have seen walking out of northern legends into the Southlands” excites me like nothing else. It’s so rare to see Gandalf so unnerved - “At that Gandalf sat up and gripped the arms of his chair…Pippin became aware that Gandalf’s hands were trembling as they clutched the carven wood.” We witness all the anguish, fear, and resentment of Denethor unleashed, with his denouncement of Faramir sharply contrasted with the clear admiration the city’s defenders feel for him.
Exposition, because this chapter represents just that, is often regarded these days especially as sometimes necessary but should be quickly told so that the narrative can return to the action. This you learn often from those who would analyse and criticise many stories both in book form and on the screen. I on first reading many years ago when I was in my teens loved this chapter much like yourself because the previous part of the story alluded and hinted at a wider story with a deeper history, this chapter broadened the understanding of the peril. By the end the reader is left in no doubt that the lore and events are of great consequence to all of the peoples of Middle Earth. It served me to deepen my engagement in the reading for the rest of the story as such it is a chapter I have returned to in isolation many times just to glean all I could from it.
I do think these days that in all literature the reluctance to have characters provide exposition for the reader is a huge mistake and those that would scorn this in writing and scripting do not understand the true art of storytelling.
The Council of Elrond is an important chapter as it provides historic context to the story. More so as at the time of publishing LOTR Tolkien saw little hope in the publication of The Silmarillion and no reader would be aware of events and peoples not mentioned in The Hobbit. That said, my favourite chapter is The Battle of Pelennor Fields. Reading it for the first time I, for the only time, in any book, re-read it immediately.
It occurs to me that this chapter may be difficult to give justice when adapted into a movie, but that it could have been an incredible bottle or even anthology episode as we are presented with each character's story.
You could also combine the two using 2D animation to represent each of the tales told. Animation gets dogged on, but for stylistic representations of more condensed stories within stories it's difficult to beat. You can represent something like the decline of Gondor over the course of centuries with just narration and a few seconds of poignant imagery.
In my head it's something like "The man who planted trees." a lot of which is charcoal on a canvas. Something meant to mimic physical, real world art.
Make Gondor a tapestry that grows more ragged and crude as you move forward, speak of Tom Bombadil in watercolors, etc.
I'd go with The Council of Elrond too. The Black Gate Opens is a close #2......but that's just me.
Interesting choice Jerry, I can certainly understand why people would pick The Black Gate Opens as well!
I submit “Shelob’s Lair”. Our main protagonists confront possibly the greatest obstacles to the quest. There are several allusions to the greater legendarium like Ungoliant, The Mountains of Terror, The Valley of Spiders, Beren’s flight to Doriath, Luthien, The War of Wrath, Earendil’s Silmaril, & Sauron’s early founding of Mordor
I love The Council of Elrond. It was one of two chapters that set Tolkien's work firmly in my imagination, simply because they convey the sense of depth that Tolkien strived to achieve. The other, of course, is the Shadow of the Past. If I was made to choose, I would opt for the latter, simply because of the atmosphere of menace that it conveys. It is Shadow that inspires my annual read reading of LotR. But it was Council that ensured that I read the appendices and every volume of the History of Middle Earth. Thank you once again for the richness of your own conception of Tolkien's world.
What a great statement about the Council! I totally agree that reading about the back story really made me want to know about the past and it got me to read the Silmarillion and some of the HoME books. After watching this thing of beauty Steven gave to us, I feel inspired to read all of the books I haven't read.
Its strange to me no one here has mentioned "The Choices of Master Samwise" yet. It was by far my most favourite chapter of the series. The moment when Sam thinks Frodo is dead and then decides to take the mission to save Middle Earth all on himself gives me goosebumps even thinking about the first time I read it.
Fantastic chapter. Any time Tolkien writes solely from Sam's perspective comes off as so genuine and pure.
It is quite funny. The first time I read it, I couldn't finish it. I was bored to death by it (mind that I had already read the Silmarillion). But a few weeks ago, I decided to hear all the books in the audiobook version, and it was by far one of my favorite chapters of the entire saga.
I also love this Chapter and do not find it boring in the least.
However, I’m hard put to say what my favorite chapter is. However, I’ve often been struck by - not only my own - the desire to read and re-read these books. A few years ago I got a glimpse of it when, talking to one of the sons of my closest friends, the subject of the LOTR came up. Apparently he tried to read it but, “there was too much description,” he said. This was a well educated young man and it took me aback. “That’s the whole point!” I said.
So I wondered if that is why I keep returning to the book. I don’t know how others read, but when I do I immerse myself in the story … and Tolkien has a way of creating his world as though it is real. I tell people that I can actually leave the book, in a sense, and walk about … leaving the characters to go on ahead where I will catch up.
For that reason, I may say that Three’s Company is my favorite, yet primarily for this passage:
“When they had walked for about three hours they rested. The night was clear, cool, and starry, but smoke-like wisps of mist were creeping up the hill-sides from the streams and deep meadows. Thin-clad birches, swaying in a light wind above their heads, made a black net against the pale sky. They ate a very frugal supper (for hobbits), and then went on again. Soon they struck a narrow road, that went rolling up and down, fading grey into the darkness ahead: the road to Woodhall, and Stock, and the Bucklebury Ferry. It climbed away from the main road in the Water-valley, and wound over the skirts of the Green Hills towards Woody End, a wild corner of the Eastfarthing.”
I walk then in the woods of the Shire under moonlight and starlight, sniffing the air and hearing the wind in the trees, and watching the twinkling lights. I love going back to that place. Maybe that’s why I return over and over again. Middle Earth and all its beauty (and horror) is laid out by the literary genius of Tolkien. I never tire of it.
I wonder what The Lord of the Rings would be like with "less description". It seems strange to me!
That's a good chapter to choose when you put it like that. The only other person I have heard of picking that chapter was someone who commented on this video. Now that I think about it, the descriptions and scenery in that chapter are remarkable, especially for that area of the world. The next time we see it, it's almost ruined with the Scouring of the Shire. Like a last glimpse of that innocence before they return from their quest.
@@TheRedBook Indeed. And, perhaps, that’s one reason I (and others) return to the beginning over and over again … a Return to Eden in a sense … a longing for that lost innocence.
I love how you said that you leave the characters to go ahead to catch up with them later. I also enjoy reading books this way, especially the LOTR. Sometimes I only read a chapter or two to dive into the world, and close the book. Then the story starts to unfold inside of my head. But this time I am not a simple observer - I am a part of a story, a side character wothout a prescribed route, who is free to wander and explore.
I find this way of reading so much more exciting!
I really enjoy the section with leaving The Shire, The Old Forest, and Tom Bombadil. I think maybe because I grew up with the films, and found it interesting how much was left out when I got around to reading the books
Book 1 seems to generally be the least favourite, alongside book 4...at least from the opinions I've read over the years. I think the adventure of Book 1 is great and dare I say...underrated! I have read that many people struggle to continue reading because of the Shire chapters.
I was about to comment the same thing. I found the vibe in Tom Bombadil's house so entrancing, and I reread the description of Frodo's dream multiple times. Knowing the story coming in but not knowing about Tom caused him to fill me with such wonder. Like, "oh, here's somebody that's breaking all the rules of the story".
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Book One kept me from reading LotR when I was in high school, even though ALL of my best friends had read it and talked about it a lot. I tried to read it just to know what they were talking about, but the party did me in.😞
I appreciate _The Shadow of the Past_ chapter much more as an adult than I did as a child.
The Bucktown chapters are cozi af
My favorite chapter: Window on the West. This chapter has so much. Tension -- will Faramir turn out to be a friend or foe? Satisfaction -- Faramir is a man of honor and a wise man too. A good meal -- Tolkien is good at describing meals. A simple religious ritual (the Standing Silence), only one in the trilogy. Plus a cave behind a waterfall at sunset -- wondrously beautiful!
I found the whole section in Moria to be one of the most engrossing parts of the whole story. I've also got a soft spot for Tom Bombadil's chapter.
I honestly love those too. I suppose it's easy to say that having a favourite doesn't mean I like the others much less. The Fellowship of the Ring is my favourite volume!
The 'problem' of the Tom Bombadil sections is not the content, but the tone. Tolkien hasn't really left 'The Hobbit' form at point of writing, and the 'look backs' in later LotR discussion is kind of papering over the cracks. I think it is still the weakest part of the trilogy, not because the content is bad, or wrong in substanc,e but because he didn't re-write it with reference to - for instance, the Council of Elrond. He needed to find a seriousness of writing style which matched that of the other 'powers' (Ents, Wizards, Elves) to apply to the Tom Bombadil 'folk' and nursery rhyme which worked well in 'the Hobbit' but doesn't sit well in 'tLotR'.
@@stueyapstuey4235 Tom's section Is a splendid reprieve from all the darkness and chaos of the prior chapters. The characters and the reader get to actually relax and feel safe for a brief moment. There's also the mystery of Tom which lingers in the back of your mind. The scene where he saves the crew trapped in the Barrow Downs encapsulates this feeling of being protected by something greater than yourself.
Really? It made me feel claustrophobic and a little paranoid, even before we know Gollum is following them. I am definitely not a Dwarf kind of person.
I have always felt frustrated that I can never hear Tom's singing. I wish I could. I am sure he has a voice like Andrea Bocelli. 😅
Flotsam and Jetsam is my favourite chapter. I love seeing Aragorn and the rest meet up with Merry and Pippin.
It's heartwarming, I love Gimli's reaction.
.....the salted pork is particularly good......
Shadow of the past was my favourite since as far back as I can remember. It sets the tone so well, I like well delivered exposition and foreshadowing.
Agreed, there's something about the dark and impending sense of doom seeming to close in on the cosy warmth of The Shire that is gripping
Yep this is my fav chapter in the whole series
I really love the Scouring of the Shire. It's so powerful to me to see how the Hobbits changed during the great adventure we shared with them.
It's so exciting to read about the courage of Merry and Pippin when they rally their fellows and led them in battle against the brigands. And its so beautiful and sad to see Sam's love for the Shire, that place that Frodo and his companions have always held dear. It's especially striking to see Sam's courage and innocence in the face of Saruman's evil and his emotion feels so genuine and potent.
I think my favorite moment of the chapter is Frodo's show of mercy to Saruman. It crushes me to see a Wizard who was once noble like Gandalf clinging to jealousy and pride. But at the same time it's so hopeful to see Frodo's courage and humility. He doesn't do mighty deeds like Merry or Pippin but he stops the Hobbits from letting evil enter them. Saruman was conquered by lust for power and even though Frodo was ultimately conquered by the Ring he chooses to escape the Rings shadow instead of letting it consume him.
It's tragic to see Saruman's fall but so powerful to see Frodo's rise to Love.
I love the Council of Elrond for sake of the lore and depth it adds to Tolkien's world- It stands out just like you said and it is certainly one of my favorites. But I love the thematic climax of the Scouring of the Shire it does so well at bringing home the 'moral of the story'.
The Scouring of the Shire is so important and much like Book 1 seems like a small adventure before the bigger one, Scouring does the same thing in Book 6 but with all the lessons taken from the earlier journey. I have to agree with you about Frodo, in fact, that's a favourite moment of mine as well. Even Saruman is 'almost' lost for words when all his taunts and attempts to corrupt and anger Frodo don't work. This Hobbit shows he is the better person, wiser than Saruman the Wise. Even Saruman has to acknowledge it and he hates him for it.
Definitely The Battle of Pelannor Field. So many characters face horror and overcome it. In the end of it all, Eowyn, who begins her story resenting how she has to care for an old man, throws everything she’s got to defend that old man. Merry finally finds out how valuable he is. Aragorn brings the dead. It’s not all blood and gore. There is courage in the face of impossible odds. Best chapter ever.
You know, I guessed completely right. The Council of Elrond is also my favourite chapter in the entire LOTR, for upon it the rest of the books are based. it is both the destination and the setting out point for all the journeys and the only place where all travellers cross paths. those who began the tale pass the baton on to those who will complete it and it spans a vast breadth of time that is not obvious until you look deeper into the lore.
Exactly, plus the decisions made during the Council impacted everything that happened afterwards.
Since it began in June/July of this year, this channel has set a consistent quality standard of the very highest order.
1. I'd be quite pleased if your analysis of this chapter continued for another twenty minutes.
2. I'd be more than happy for you to read the whole chapter.
3. The Shadow and the Council are indeed the most substantive chapters of the whole work. For me as a thirteen year old, reading them for the first time several decades ago was my earliest introduction to anything which might be considered dense or complex writing.
I am all for longer videos anytime Steven feels like cutting loose.😁
I read Fellowship when I was 9. It took me six hours to read Council of Elrond one Sunday afternoon when everyone in my family left to go to my older brother's traveling hockey game. When I got done with the chapter, I felt such a HUGE sense of accomplishment, enlightenment, purpose and pride in myself, the English language and the craft of literature and the power of imagination. It completely changed me as a person forever. One of the greatest days of my life. So much that I remember it forty years later.
Damn, reading this series at 9 years old is very impressive
I do love the Council of Elrond. If my favorite chapter is The Battle of Pelennor Fields, that is only because all of the worldbuilding and choices we've seen in the book up to this place pay off so well.
Good point Shawn, the late chapters really benefit from such expertly crafted build-up and world-building as you say. Aragorn's arrival at the Pelennor is incredible and a lot of that is because of how far we have journeyed with him.
I was going to say the same; The Battle of Pelennor Fields is where everything comes together and shifts into high gear; also Tolkien’s prose shifts into a kind of elevated speech usually reserved for sagas, epics, and heroic romances, the kind of elevated and somewhat archaic speech we simply never see in modern fiction. Also the fellowship sans Frodo and Sam, and their storylines, are reunited. Everything comes together in a satisfying manner.
I just finished reading The Return of the King today, now I feel empty, knowing that there will be no other books or series that will be as equivalent as JRR Tolkien’s trilogy.
Thank you, Sir Tolkien, for giving us such an awesome story and letting me experience the world you created.
The Grey Havens. One of the themes of the book is that the third age is ending and the realm of men begin. It is an end to a world of magic and wonder, and a transition to our Mundane world. The last chapter hits you in the face with this, and is incredibly sad as you realize the magic and wonder Has ended. I cried the first time.
The Councel of Elrond & Shadow of the Past are absolutely 2 of my favorites. Especially in the Phil Dragash audiobook.
Agreed but Phil's audiobook is strong throughout all chapters in my opinion. The Council of Elrond is certainly a highlight though, demonstrating its qualities I spoke of here.
Same for me.
Three is Company! I adore the beginning of the series so much.
I don't think I've ever read Three is Company as being someone's favourite. Very interesting! It all opens a bit in that chapter, especially when we meet Gildor.
Three is Company has always been one of my faves as well! There's something very cosy about it!
@@TheRedBook For some odd reason all the wandering in the backwoods of the Shire really appeals to me, and I hate the outdoors!
Three is company is in my top five list..Reading it s a child it just seems like a simple beginning of the Adventure ..when you then read it as an adult there is a lot more to it..you see change,decisions,duty, sacrafice ...a feeling inside of knowing that the the adventure you..didnt want in the First Place Will change you forever..a beginning to an end and a goodbye to the cosy shire and a hello to the real world. The part when Frodo says "the Road goes ever on n on etc" even makes me get emotional.
I will wholeheartedly agree that Council of Elrond is the best (my favorite) chapter of the books. I also agree with you on why it is the best chapter. I grew up reading the books from about age 13, and nearly every 2 years after that I reread them. This was always the chapter that I slowed down on and really read with gravity. It was only after I had read the LotR three times that I came across the Silmarillion. The Silmarillion was Tolkien's real labor of love, and sadly it never even came near being published in his lifetime. I became obsessed with the legendarium of the Silmarillion when I was a teenager. I finally had an answer to all the questions Elrond left unanswered about the Eldar Days and the history of the First Age. It was very satisfying to finally have that history filled in. While the narrative of LotR is very satisfying, it was never JRRT's true dream to right that story. It was really a sequel to the Silmarillion and other works that his son, Christopher, eventually edited and published posthumosely. So, I go back to what the author of this video and I both agree on, that Council of Elrond is our best chapter of LotR, and it is because it gives a hint of the vast history behind the story of Sauron and the One Ring, the Dunedain, the Elves, and so much more in the LotR books.
I've read the Council of Elrond dozens of times, it's the kind of chapter I feel vicariously involved in that cozy haven of master of lores, Lord Elrond. It is so mysterious, archaic and legendary. To me, CoE in the LOTR is the most important punctuation point, it sets and accelerates the narrative. I knew you'd chose the Council chapter before it was revealed. Thanks for the amazing video again.
This is also my favorite chapter! My top 10:
1. Council of Elrond
2. Shadow of the Past
3. Mount Doom
4. Fields of Cormallen
5. The Last Debate
6. Flotsam and Jetsam
7. Battle of Pelennor Fields
8. The Land of Shadow
9. Helm's Deep
10. Grey Havens
Excellent as always, I find it hard to understand when somebody tells me that some parts of the book we could go without. I love it dearly, specially the parts where Frodo is leaving the Shire, Old Forest and Barrow-downs, Conspiracy unmasked is one of my favourites, it’s hard to tell, I kinda perceive the book as a whole, can’t explain it really, I am not very good with written word. I don’t find any of it boring or to long or far fetched( Tom Bombadil) The more deep it goes in the lore the better. So I really can’t pin point my favourites chapters but I could my favourite moments and these are many…
Yes, I understand what you are saying. If any of these moments were taken from the novel, then the novel would suffer. It's the sum of its parts. It's as I said in the video, The Lord of the Rings isn't just 'plot', there's the whole world to explore and everything in it.
I must admit that, on my first read, this chapter was one of my least favourite (along with the Shire chapters and, to my great shame, the Tom Bombadil ones)... What can I say, I had only seen a few illustrations at that time, went in expecting endless armies fighting gigantic battles, and ended up confronted with Hobbits talking, walking, eating, and singing about hot water! ^^ Now, these are the chapters I enjoy revisiting the most, as they have their own atmosphere: the Shire, Bombadil, the Old Forest, the Barrows... It all seems like a small version of Middle-Earth, with its own heroes, ancient families (Tooks, Baggins...), pleasant places and less pleasant ones, and ever-elusive magic.
As you say, the Council is a pivotal moment in the story and a pause to take time and breathe in the vast world of Middle-Earth. Though, I can't say it's my favourite... neither that one, or any other... because I feel like playing favourites with my own children when I try and pick one!
Thanks for the very nice explanation of where you stand.😁
Your thoughts really echo mine during my initial readings. I hope to cover such details in my "least favourite" chapters discussion. Much of that will be about my least favourite in the past since I now enjoy every chapter (though I certainly think 1 or 2 are weaker compared to others). Book 1 is so underappreciated and it's for all the reasons you state. Now I read it and I really wish the stay at Bombadil's house was longer, I wish we got more of the Shire, and I think the Barrow-downs chapter is such a gem of a horror chapter. The mini adventure of Book 1 is worthy of reading on its own.
Council of Elrond is a great chapter, but the voice of Saruman is my favorite
My favorite chapter is "The ring goes south". I've always been enchanted by the description Tolkien gives of the ruins of Hollin.
And is represented by just a few minutes in the films.
Fantastic chapter. I wish it was split into like 5 chapters so we could of had more time experiencing the full Fellowship
It’s my favourite aswell. I particularly love the description of the mountains of Moria. Did you know Tolkien based the mountains of Moria on the jungfrau, Eiger and Monck.
"Deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone". I love that line too.
I love "The Passing of the Grey Company" the best with "The Steward and the King" a very close second.
My favourite chapter has to be The Voice Of Saruman I love the mental battle Gandalf and Saruman have, I love how Saruman tries to still turn Théoden to his side and when that don't work he tries to get Gandalf on his side again. Its just a perfect chapter in my opinion
Great choice. I love that we finally get the encounter with Saruman after so many chapters and he lives up to the name. A battle without physical weapons.
@@TheRedBook Exactly its not what you would typically think is going to happen when they all meet, you think a big wizard battle is going to happen but no a battle of voices happens and that's why professor Tolkien is the master of fantasy.
Great choice. Hard to pick a favorite chapter, and my choice might change each time you ask me. But I think "The Uruk-Hai" is an awesome chapter. I love it because it gives us a chance to get to know the orcs a little bit. Their dialog is awesome. We get a view of Ugluk's leadership skills, and also a glimpse at the rivalries and conflicting loyalties among the different orc groups.
That's a good choice. I like their dialogue too. It also makes them seem less like monsters but beings with motives. Ugluk is great but I really like Grishnakh.
@@TheRedBook Also I enjoy their name-calling of the Rohirrim (horse-boys, strawhairs, etc.) One of the great failings of the films is not taking advantage of this dialog. I would rather have had 10 minutes cut from the Helm's Deep scenes, in favor of much more from this chapter, as faithful as possible. Great film villains are great, in part, because we get to know them via top-notch dialog (think Hans Gruber in Die Hard). We could have had this insight into the orcs with some different filmmaking choices, alas. The other bits of orc dialog from Shagrat, Gorbag, et al, and also from the snuffling orc and his partner as they hunt Sam and Frodo, offer more peeks into their mindset. These are precious (if I may dare use that word) since they are so few.
The council of Elrond is probably my favorite as well, who the hell can call it boring XD
I wonder that as well. Seems strange to me to say you enjoy Tolkien if you don't like this chapter. It's the most Tolkien of Tolkien chapters.
This has been a very good explanation of the chapter your layout and format was great, would you consider doing another two for the 2nd and 3rd Book in trilogy a best chapter in each?
I kind of shot myself in the foot by doing the favourite chapter and not thinking people would like the format enough to want more of the same for other chapters. I have thought about it and really am considering doing more discussion videos on other favourite chapters. Maybe not even just "favourites" but important chapters. With the same format. If you are talking The Two Towers and The Return of the King, I already have some chapters in mind for that...
The depth of Tolkien and your analysis is incredible
Hands down the best Tolkien channel
Nice of you to say so, means a lot! :D
Excellent. I like the movies, but LOVE the books. Also, the unabridges reading of the books by Rob Inglis are fantastic.
Brilliant video about a marvelous chapter..in my opinion a very important chapter within the entire lord of the rings books...i see it as the center of the story filled with detail and very important information needed for the plot..it is no where near boring..doesnt make sense to call it boring. My favourite book is the fellowship of the ring...and can not choose one favourite chapter easily..each chapter is special in its own way ..maybe top five favorites from first book from memory is the Shadow of the past, the counsil of Elrond ,three is company ,a long expected party and the mirror of Galadriel. 🧚🏻♀️✨✨
My first video in this new series was supposed to be a quick video I could make at this time of year. It ended up being one of my longest videos and used twice as many images as I have used in any other video. I didn't even have room to list them all in the description like I usually do but the link to all images, artists, and sources is still in the description. It will be my last video of 2021 and I hope everyone enjoys it. Please leave your thoughts and let's talk about the greatest chapters of The Lord of the Rings!
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In 1979 I was attending the US Navy’s nuclear power school in Orlando, Florida. Every Friday evening (occasionally Saturday) my Tolkien-loving friends and I would take over a long table at the local Pizza Hut and drunkenly re-enact the Council of Elrond. I was always Boromir. Ah the Great Days of my youth!
Oh- I also remember we would discuss how to cast a LOTR movie- Alec Guiness as Gandalf, Christopher Reeve as Glorfindel, wrestler Roddy Piper as Boromir…
If 12 Angry Men- a story about the members of a jury in deliberation- can be made into a classic movie, I can’t think of a reason why the Council could not be similarly treated. Of course times have changed, it might be difficult to make a movie about a bunch of actors doing nothing but acting for 90 minutes. No special effects or fighting except as flashbacks in the history lesson parts.
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I hope you stopped the binge drinking. Nuclear anything and drinking are worse than drinking and driving.
Sarcasm, in case you didn't know.😉
@@Enerdhil Thanks for your concern! But what is one to do with a drunken sailor who re-enacts Tolkien in bars with his mates and sets poetry from LOTR to music?🎶😂
I've just finished my 3rd reading of LOTR. I've gotten more out of it now than ever before, no doubt because all of the legenderium information that I now am aware of (though I don't read outside LOTR/Hobbit).
I have an easier time telling you my least favorite chapter (Faramir and Eowyn falling in love!) than my favorite. Right now, I'd have to say that I am most impressed Faramir and Frodo's first meeting in Two Towers. Such language as is used there is musical, full of warmth and self-awareness. Any time Merry, Pippin or Frodo & Sam are around the Kings of Men, the language used in dialogue is amazing.
Reading The Hobbit for the first time in years, I benefit from these vids and having recently read the silmarillion. But the best part is I read out loud as I record it for my nephew. The magic of Tolkien also resides in the Joy of telling a story.
Being a “lore lover” and a “book eater” I agree with the choice. But the chapter that most stirred my feelings was THE CHOICES OF MASTER SAMWISE (it actually goes on in the chapter THE TOWER OF CIRITH UNGOL).
I guess that Tolkien’s ability to put us inside Sam’s simpler mind is what shakes me most.
In chronological order:
1. The Shadow of the Past
2. The Council of Elrond
3. The Breaking of the Fellowship
4. The Passage of the Marshes
5. Shelob’s Lair (Especially with the connection to the light of the Two Trees and Ungoliant.)
My favorite probably changes with each reading.
I'm not sure exactly which chapter, but something in book one. The journey to Crickhollow, leaving the Shire and the rest of the journey to Rivendell just feel so immersive and real somehow.
I am so in love with this chapter. When I first picked up the book I did the exact same thing as you, I got confused by the singing and the Tom Bombadil part. I didn't particularly know if I liked it and I just wanted to move on the stuff you see in the films.
Now I'm thankful some chapters like Tom Bombadil's didn't get adapted. I doubt it would've been done particularly well. Now it lives on as its own magical thing in the books and it just couldn't have been done better.
It seems that some just can't get into those parts and will never get into them. I tend to find that people who think that just want "the story" and don't like everything that counts as sidetracking. I love all the stuff around the story, it's what makes Middle-earth special.
"I will take the ring," he said, "though I do not know the way."...
Elrond raised his eyes and looked at him, and Frodo felt his heart pierced by the sudden keenness of the glance."..."if you take it freely, I will say that your choice is right; and though all the mighty elf-friends of old, Hador, and Hurin, and Turin, and Beren himself were assembled together, your seat should be among them."
-The Fellowship of the Ring, Book 2, Chapter 2, The Council of Elrond, by JRRT
You are on point with the Council of Elrond. And certainly a single best chapter is a challenge, but Merry Pippin and Tree Beard is always a favorite for me.
I'll say that Treebeard was one of the most difficult chapters to get through in my initial readings but it means a lot nowadays, you can tell Tolkien really enjoyed that part.
I love the council of Elrond, my favourite part is when Elrond discloses that he was at the siege of Mordor and with the host of the Valar at the war of wrath. I cannot remember the chapter, but when Gandalf explains why he likes hobbits. He explains it in better detail in the Hobbit movie. I also like the Choices of Master Samwise, particularly when the ring tries to tempt him and utterly fails, it shows how pure Sam is and how little the Ring can offer him. Most chapters with Gandalf are good as he usually parts with either some part of history or wisdom.
I think you mixing up two things. The valar only participated in the battle against Morgoth. They were not part of the battle to take down Sauron the first time.
@@jaeluxe I know that Elrond says that he was a the siege of Mordor and the host was great but small compared to the host of the Valar in the first age. I could be mistaken, but the point is that there are hints all through the book of a history not told in the LOTR.
I love the Fellowship of the Ring , first chapters till the departure from Bree. I love the descriptions of simple life and the fact that you see all these characters happy, simple, before going through all the suffering: Aragorn is just a ranger called Strider, Gandalf is just a wizard in the hobbits eyes and the hobbits are simple, happy, typical hobbits .The fact that they have time to just sit down and talk , be it with Gandalf or Tom or Strider. The pacing is great, slow, calm. The calm before the storm. The good old times before everything changes forever. Before they change forever.
In contrast to that the Appendices make me sad. So sad that I rarely read them. Because it tells me how all my heroes will get old and die. Like in real life: you don't want to think or know about how it will be when you get old or how you will die but also....you want to know. But knowing it all doesn't give you any satisfaction and olny makes you think about the futility of life.
Forgive my long comment!✌️
P. S. Honourable mentions: At the Sign of the Prancing Pony and Strider. Also The Siege of Gondor, and I had better stop here before falling down the rabbit hole. :D
It is more than 50 years since I first read the book, but I still have a vivid memory of my first impression. It was that each chapter was better than the last, the world was always expanding both in time and space, character and depth, until the destruction of the ring. Thereafter it was a slow graceful descent back to the smallness of the Shire, only to face the surprise of the need for the scouring. Then the tantalising further expansion of Frodo's onward journey. I think this is another under-appreciated part of Tolkien's writing. Thank you for another fascinating video and for stirring those memories.
Completely agree that the council of elrond is one of the most important chapters for world building. I don't think i could pick out a favourite chapter but i always remember my first reading of LOTR and it was the description as they fellowship passes the Argonath that gave me the feeling of being in an old world with its own history. 👍
I agree this is one of the best chapters in the book, for its depth and bringing together key elements of the story that need explaining at this point if the decisions of what they are to do next, and who is to do what, make sense. I feel the Movie trilogy did a pretty good job, however. To put the events discussed on screen, you have to show them as much as possible, not just have people discussing them. Much of what is discussed in this chapter is shown at various points in the films. The prologue covers much of what is discussed, Gandalf’s imprisonment by Sauron is shown, Gollum’s history also. main area I think they could have added without making the scene too long would be Sharon’s approach to Dain. That could have been done in a couple of minutes max and would have brought the role of the dwarf’s more into the story.
I personally love this chapter. Definitely one of my favorites. It's so detailed and I can easily picture myself sitting there amongst all the speakers
I guessed it! And it's my favourite also as it happens. The other one that sprung to mind was 'The Voice of Saruman'.
I liked the chapter of Tom Bombadil, when it describes the rain it really gave me a beautiful nostalgia of old times in my childhood when I used to believe that all forest and trees were magical and full of wonders. Even now I think I still have some of that way of thinking, but it is not so much stronger like before.
I like 'The Pire of Denethor'; 'The Council of Elrond' is my second favourite.
I agree, even when I first read it decades ago, The Council of Elrond was my favorite chapter. It gives you lore (which I enjoy), but you get to see the different perspectives of many characters and watch as they apply the lore in different ways to the problem at hand. Then again, I also love the dinner party in Dune (Chapter 16) for similar reasons, you get to know the world through the varying perspectives of the characters.
That's a good comparison actually. I've read the dinner party chapter as one of the "influenced by Tolkien" Dune arguments too.
Yes, yes, yes, ! The details given that further explain so very much is a full dish of rare delights!!
For me it's probably 'In the House of Tom Bombadil.' I only read Fellowship as a kid, but I remember especially loving Tom Bombadil. They find his home in the middle of the Old Forest, which is so dark and creepy, but Tom is so happy and is always singing. I love the mystery surrounding him, and the fact that he isn't in the Peter Jackson movies only makes me love him more. Also, the music that plays in his house in Lord of the Rings Online is some of my favorite music in any video game.
I hear a lot of talk about him in the movies but I have this feeling they wouldn't have been able to to Tom Bombadil any justice., I love his chapters in the novel.
The production of this video has made me nostalgic for another reread of it. Well done
As has been proven by Cory Olsen, it’s not unrealistic to talk about this chapter alone for a couple of years 😳 and my favourite pandemic pastime has been to listen 🤓
Found it fascinating the first time I read it, about 45 years ago…and I find it fascinating to this day.
Always interested when speaking to people who read it all the way back then before I was even born. I just turned 35! I've been reading it for about 22 years and I can't see myself stopping.
Idk about LOTR but my favorite moment in the Silmarillion is when Melian confronts Galadriel about the return of the Noldor. Imagining Galadriel squirm under the scrutiny is priceless. Only a true Valar could do that.
I don't think I have a favourite chapter. I think the question can be asked in a different way. Why do you like reading fantasy fiction? To explore mythical worlds and their history? To see how a prophecy unfolds (the chosen one defeats the dark one)? Or, to see heroes being heroic? Tolkien has all of this in the books but it is first and foremost a world building exercise and this chapter nails it as does this channel.
A good point but I've had bad experiences with a lot of 'fantasy fiction' based on what I thought I'd like. I am really into exploring mythical worlds and history as you say there but many stories fail despite me being told that they would appeal. Tolkien just seems to stand out in some unique way.
Man the whole first book... A long expected party, shadows of the past..a conspiracy unmasked, a road to mushrooms, the ring goes south... Fog on the barrow downs, the council of elrond.. Lothlorien.. All that is gold does not glitter.
After a recent re-read I have decided that my favorite chapter is The Siege of Gondor. I love the slow, steady build up of waiting for what everyone knows will be a huge battle; the gradual collapse of Gondor's defenses and morale, climaxing when the Lord of the Nazgûl breaks the gates and enters the city; his brief standoff with Gandalf; and then the rekindling of hope when the horns of Rohan echo in the city.
I don't know that this chapter is a favorite, but I deem it one of the most important because of its exposition of the breadth of history and culture behind this "least of rings."
Important is a good word for it. The Lord of the Rings needs chapters like this and The Shadow of the Past. They demonstrate quickly that The Lord of the Rings is far larger than The Hobbit.
@@TheRedBook Since The Hobbit was started as Christopher's bedtime stories that makes perfect sense. The good professor had over a decade for this milieu to marinate in his brainpan and to grow into the master work it is.
By far my favourite chapter too. I listened to/read it just a couple of days ago - I usually read the LOTR while listening to Phil Dragash's wonderful audiobook. As you said, this critical, joining section of the book is an absolute masterclass in deep world building and an open window onto the depth and breath of the legendarium. As much as I liked Peter Jackson's trilogy, I particularly hated how the movies adapted it, but this is just another example of how Tolkien's complex, multilayered secondary world cannot really be properly adapted on screen. After this one, the other chapter I love is Mount Doom.
I guess my favorite would be "The Pyre of Denethor." Here the reader is given a deeper understanding of the tragedy of this once noble man who has been brought to the depths of despair (an understanding that the movie spectacularly failed to impart). Proof enough, if any were needed, that even the strongest people can fail.
I agree on Denethor. There are two ... only two.... characters who I didn't like the chosen actor. Denethor --- who I think Donald Sutherland would have been perfect -- in the books is compared in some respects to Gandalf. And yes, he eventually believed what Sauron showed in the palantir, but he didn't work with Sauron, such as Saruman. Kingly and proud. He was a strong man, felled by despair. A great tragedy all things considered. The other is Faramir. And the script for those two.... yeah, only casting and script I didn't feel worthy of the book.
Wanted to add: Tolkien wrote in LotR that Denethor put one in mind of Gandalf. He also wrote Faramir put one in mind of Aragorn.
And Faramir never was taking Frodo back to his father. He said even if this (object) came to him he wouldn't take it. Then when he realizes what Frodo has, he acts honorably and stands by his statement. I hated the film's revision of Faramir. Later in life Tolkien said Faramir was one of his favorite characters. I hate to think what he would have said about the portrayal in the movie.
Films: major fail on both characters.
@@patmullarkey7659 I thought Faramir was okay, especially in the expanded editions where his actions become explicable (as opposed to the theatrical release where he's a raging twit).
Excellent choice. A good chapter for sympathising with Denethor and his grief and madness over just hating him as a bitter old fool (adaptation). I talked about Denethor in my "healing of despair" video but I'd like to do a video entirely focused on him, showing that he wasn't evil.
@@TheRedBook Thank you. I'll have to give your video a look.
The chapters that most fascinate me would have to be Lothlorien or the Mirror of Galadriel chapters or perhaps In the House of Tom Bombadil. I've come from an agrarian background and have lamented the destruction of the bioregion I grew up in. I related strongly to the magic of the land of those lands so overlooked that parallels the ancient Great Redwoods in our world valued only as unharvested homes to be cut down for CEO's bonus's.
I continue to find myself stunned at the vast majority of the commentators and experts that barely glance at Many Meetings and chapters like those listed above. ...
Yes! The Council of Elrond has been my favorite chapter since I first read LOTR. I was hoping it was yours, as well. Lore is one of my favorite aspects of the legendarium, I have never thought it boring. You hit on a particularly important facet of reading Tolkien: the poems, ruins, strange characters, descriptive narrative, and snatches of history all work to build the world of Middle Earth in our minds. I feel sorry for anyone who reads the books and just wants to "move the story along". I want to spend a year in the house of Elrond.
@TheRedBook Hello, I really enjoyed this video about The Council of Elrond. I love the background music for this video. Cam you please tell what it's called?
Thank you! And the description has all the details for the music and artwork I use in my videos :)
To my surprise, I don’t have a favorite chapter in the novel. It’s been so long! But once again, great work on another solid video, one on your personal preferences instead of a literary analysis.
I wonder if you have a least favourite? I might do a video about that but I think it would be less interesting and a lot shorter!
@@TheRedBook I also don’t have a least favorite. Again, it’s been so long since I last read the novel!
But you should do the video on your least favorite chapter. Being a fan doesn’t just mean gushing over what you like best. It can and should also mean giving constructive criticism on what you like least. I for one at looking forward to this video of yours!
Dig at Sanderson there huh? I think he has excellent worldbuilding!
I'd say my favorite chapter is the King of the Golden Hall, but my favorite Silmarlion chapter is also one many say is boring, Of the Realms of Beleriand.
That's fine of course :D Sanderson's work is very popular. I've certainly read much criticism about the world-building But it would be no different from a video about his work mentioning criticism aimed at Tolkien :)
Hello! I’ve got a question which has always been in my mind, though it is a minor detail: Whose voice was it that came from the West in the dream shared by Faramir and Boromir, which speaks in verse the riddle of Isildur’s Bane, the Halfling, the Broken Sword, and Imladris?
Tolkien says "The verse (if it was already a verse) that brought Boromir to Rivendell is lost in its earliest form with the lost page". It was never explained who was sending it. People commonly think it was Eru or the Valar who did it. When it comes to the Valar, people guess Irmo (related to dreams) or Ulmo (never abandoning the race of Men in Middle-earth). Some think even Gandalf may have played a part. We really don't know so I can't say for sure. I tend to think it was Providence, not one voice in particular but a fulfillment of the will of Eru. Almost like a gentle nudge in a direction.
My faves are
1. Shadow of the Past
2. Council of Elrod
3. Bridge of Khazad-dum
Those are possibly mine but in a different order. I start to have too many options when it comes to 2 and 3 though!
It is possibly my favourite chapter too, and like one of my favourite films - 12 Angry Men (the 50's version) - though little actually happens during the story at this point, it is too compelling to turn away from.
It may be a reason I like it that I've never considered before. I love one-location movies and you are right, Council of Elrond is like that.
obviously helms deep. When the Rohirim and Gandalf ride in, it is written with such excitement, not even the final battle in front of the black gate compared.
The Phil Dragash audiobook version of Helm's Deep is terrific, and that chapter has a favourite moment of mine when Théoden charges out on Snowmane.
My favorite will always be the fellowship's journey through Moria. Really from the council of Elrond up to when the fellowship leaves Moria, I love hearing about the entire fellowship traveling together.
Wonderful description of that chapter. I've always been charmed by the the Council of Elrond. I found it too shortened in the movies, and I wanted Bilbo to be there, as he is in the novel. He offered to take the ring to Mt. Doom! ... at his age? I love the Shadow of the past, also. I felt immersed in the world that Tolkien created at the end of the Shadow chapter. I don't get bored easily, not when it is a fascinating and insightful conversation. I wanted the scouring of the Shire in the movie and I'll never quite forgive Jackson for not putting it in. It is when the hobbits proved they are become 'among the greats of Middle Earth.'
I remember reading the books the first time, a very long time ago, now. I had an awful time reading the first chapters..I actually hesitated going further than the party tree.. but my sister loved the books and I was curious. By the Council I was absolutely drowning in the 'otherness' of Middle Earth. I wanted to know more.
I am amazed at the age of 70 I am still learning more about Tolkien's world. What an amazing creative genius he was!
I'd have to go back and review the chapters again to try and determine a favorite and even then I'm not sure I could narrow it down that far. But The Council of Elrond would certainly be a strong contender. All the information that was given, all the history brought out. It did so much when I first read it to make Middle-Earth feel like a real place with a real history, which has never been matched by any other author. Even such an extraordinary author as Tolkien had some parts where his writing soared to even greater heights.
My favorite chapter as well! People who find it boring aren’t really Tolkien fans lol.
Controversial :P . I suppose I can just say everyone likes things for different reasons but if people find the talking parts of Tolkien boring then I wonder what it is they love so much!
@@TheRedBook lol yeah, I was being deliberately abrasive but what I mean is that people who don’t like that chapter don’t like Tolkien so much as the worlds he created, or the plots. To love Tolkien as a whole I think you have to have at least some sympathy for long exposition dumps 😂
@@TolkienLorePodcast - It's a strange phenomenon. I often read threads on sites asking for encyclopedias of Tolkien, or lore books, recommended websites or youtube channels because they don't want to actually read the books. A lot of people seem to like the worldbuilding and story but not enough to read it. This is grouping Tolkien in with Marvel and DC or something like that...
I belive Bilbos offer to take the ring was part courage, part adiction to the ring.
Interesting. It does tie in with Gandalf telling Bilbo straight up that his time with the ring is passed, it would be very dangerous to give him it again after he done so well to give it up.
I do have 1 question
Why wasn't any representative of rohan present at the counsel?
I don't remember that there was anyone of the rohirrim present
Good question Montie. There are two reasons that pop into my head for this:
1) The council was arranged due to the sudden arrival of many figures from across Middle-earth for varying reasons. Boromir and his dream, Legolas and the escape of Gollum, Gloin and Moria, Erestor on behalf of Cirdan at the Havens, the Hobbits and the ring. It seems like 'chance' and fate has decreed that now is the moment to deal with the ring. Invitations weren't sent out, meaning that no one from Rohan showed up - meaning no one at the council on behalf of them.
2) Rohan was currently in trouble. Grima poisoning the mind of the king, Saruman influencing them, kingdom falling to despair. They were not aware of dealings outside their realm and had their own problems to deal with. We see these problems in The Two Towers when we finally make it to Rohan.
Honestly, my favorite “chapters” are the appendices and historical footnotes at the beginning and end of the saga, especially the end. I guess I’m an historian at heart.
From among the prose chapters, perhaps “A Long-Expected Party” and the later chapters after the ring is destroyed: they put a lot in perspective, especially how much change has occurred both prior to and because of the novels.
Interesting choices. I never thought of considering the Appendices but I do enjoy reading them - the history is something that appeals to me greatly as well. And I agree about the latter half of book 6. It's not just a big celebration of the ring being destroyed. There are real changes in the world, including those in it.
I love your video editing and atmospheric music. Do you have a source for that?😁
Thanks! And do you mean for the music? I always list music in the description :)
Very nice ideas and insightfull! I'm going to listen to that chapter again tonight; I heard it a couple nights ago on an audiobook, and since it had been several years since I read the 4 books, I'd forgotten how many layers and race characteristics Tolkien slowly and deftly reveals. And, information just for fun, I'd starting my every three year read next week....I cannot wait. I would start now , but I'm reading "The Science of Middle- Earth." It's about exactly what it says, and so far it's excellent. I enjoyed your video....now I have to rethink everything; my favorite is......
A re-read every three years :O how do you wait so long!?
Which audiobook were you listening to? I highly recommend the one I used for this video - The Council of Elrond chapter just reads so well in that format.
@@TheRedBook The one by Phil Dragash.
I fooking love this chapter. Not my favourite, but up there. My favourite chapter is the one where Faramir resists the ring and aids Frodo.
Nice choice, what makes that one your favourite?
@@TheRedBook What I really like about this chapter is how you can really see how different Faramir and Boromir are. I also like how dedicated Sam is to Frodo; Sam is exhausted and yet he refuses to sleep despite being safe for first time in weeks. Its also touching to see how horrified Faramir is when he finds out Frodo's true purpose. Faramir is a seasoned warrior, who has spent much time under the shadow, yet he is shocked and moved to pity at Frodo and Sam's plight. This further highlights the difference between the brothers- Boromir scoffed at how foolish the quest was, Faramir felt pity. I also really like the little conversation that Sam and Faramir have at the end of the chapter, the one where Sam tells Faramir he has a wizardly air about him. Faramir corrects him and tells him that he maybe mistaking it for the air of Numenor. It highlights how great the Numenoreans must have been before their fall. Great chapter.
I got LOTR audiobook when I was six, council of Elrond and appendix was my favourite at this time cause it was so full of info about world. When it comes to climate it was 3/4 first chapters of book 5, this atmosphere of fear and of coming battle is absolutely overwhelming.
The first time through it was the action chapters that grabbed me, but with re-reads and growing older, the chapters that open the eyes of the Hobbits are the ones that most move me. I love Shadows of the Past, and for economy of story-telling, combining narrative with exposition, The Scouring of the Shire can't be beat. I, too, love the Council of Elrond as between this one and Shadows, they build the context of the world. But my favorite has long been In the House of Tom and Goldberry (with precursor section and pre-Bree wrap up included). That is pure mystery and homely magic. Only Frodo senses the religious underpinnings, but all the Hobbits now realize their world is much bigger and far more dangerous than they'd realized, but full of undeserved grace as well.
I was just thinking about the language of Tolkien's writing, which a lot of people complain about, but to me, it makes it feel timeless. So many other works feel dated and of their time and place immedietely. So much stuff from the Golden Age of Scifi feels like the 1950s or 60s in space. The Lord of the Rings feels like something mythic from the dawn of time. I also love how Tolkien brazenly ignored every modern novelistic convention and piece of writing advice you can imagine. I wouldn't change a word. I think my favorite chapter is actually Helm's Deep. That battle really keeps you on the ede of your seat, and Peter Jackson nailed the 'feel' of it even with all the details you can nitpick.
I agree with your assessment.
My favorite chapters are "The Council of Elrond", "The Ring Goes South" and "A Journey In The Dark".
"The Council Of Elrond" for the same reasons you described, and the two following chapters because it's when the proper adventure gets started and all 9 of the company are together.
Out of curiosity, do you teach at a university?
I do not! My real profession is (sadly) completely unrelated to getting paid to talk about Tolkien for a living - I wish!
The action bits excite many, but the cerebral portions, while presumeably boring, are the gold in Tolkien’s works.
Excellent work Mellon! My favorite chapter is either Ride of the Rohirrim...1.) The funny way the Wildmen speak.2.) Théoden's speech. A close 2nd would be The choices of Master Samwise. The way Tolkien describes how Sam becomes one of the fiercest creatures in the history of middle earth....it's heart warming and also I hate Spiders lol...Keep up the great work Mellon! I'll be waiting for your next video. Have a happy new year! ECTHELION!!