Hey folks! Below is the complete list of changes made to the deck for you convenience & be sure to let me know in the comments if you agree/disagree with my upgrade suggestions or if there are any cards you think I missed / would also be good includes for this deck. Feedback is always appreciated! --------------------------------------------- Offspring Targets | Tokens --------------------------------------------- Plumecreed Escort >>> Loyal Apprentice Blade Splicer >>> Siege-Gang Lieutenant Restoration Angel >>> Oltec Matterweaver Jazal Goldmane >>> Warren Warleader --------------------------------------------- Offspring Targets | Ramp --------------------------------------------- Thriving Isle >>> Professional Face-Breaker --------------------------------------------- Offspring Targets | Draw --------------------------------------------- Inspiring Overseer >>> Welcoming Vampire Illusory Ambusher >>> Rumor Gatherer Cloudblazer >>> Mulldrifter --------------------------------------------- Offspring Targets | ETB Matters --------------------------------------------- Inferno Titan >>> Witty Roastmaster Sun Titan >>> Molten Gatekeeper --------------------------------------------- ETB Matters --------------------------------------------- Angel of the Ruins >>> Warleader's Call Time Wipe >>> Impact Tremors Shield Broker >>> Panharmonicon --------------------------------------------- Copy Tokens --------------------------------------------- Thriving Bluff >>> Rootborn Defenses Arthur, Marigold Knight >>> Cayth, Famed Mechanist Devilish Valet >>> Muster the Departed Chart a Course >>> Song of the Worldsoul Circuit Mender >>> Romana II Storm of Souls >>> Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer --------------------------------------------- Core --------------------------------------------- Rowdy Research >>> Idol of Oblivion Cut a Deal >>> Skullclamp Aetherize >>> Prosperous Partnership Thopter Engineer >>> Generous Gift --------------------------------------------- High Price Upgrades --------------------------------------------- Rumor Gatherer >>> Recruiter of the Guard Welcoming Vampire >>> Imperial Recruiter Romana II >>> Nesting Dovehawk Spirited Companion >>> Esper Sentinel Ornithopter of Paradise >>> Dockside Extortionist
Two of my favorite upgrades to the deck so far that I didn't see you mention have been Volatile Stormdrake and Phantasmal Image. If you happen to have a Panharm effect out then it's nutty, but just by themselves, one let's you swipe two creatures, pay to keep one if you want, and the other is just a cheap copy of anything you need at the moment. I once copied a diluvian Primordial and cast living death halfway into a game. Fun times haha
I upgraded this deck to give to my friend as a birthday gift.. I am proud to say that my upgrades were extremely similar to what was featured in this video. Master Grazzet you've taught me well 👍
You are very welcome my student! Now go forth the all the corners of your local LGS and teach the ways for budget deckbuilding to all the financially irresponsible commander players that need it!
I'm very excited to upgrade this deck myself. I like to watch your upgrade videos and then look at the cards i already have to see what has similar effects, it's worked well so far!
A little surprised you dropped devilish valet, especially after adding Brudiclad, but I see where you're coming from. Also, rip Dockside Extortionist. I'll always love you.
I really like Serra Ascendant for this commander. If played early, its 2 - 6/6 Flyers with lifelink for only 3 mana. And Zinnia only cares about the base power being 1.
This came out at a perfect time. This commander was the one I was the least sure how to improve so having a starting point is very helpful! I feel like Zinnia can be the most busted but also the most general of the commander precons
I think it's one of the coolest of the precon bunch this time. As for the future builds, I really hope to see a rat build on Vren the Relentless. Since I recently built your Vraska the Silencer deck and having 2 "removal tribal" decks would be a nightmare for my pod :D but this time it's rats!
Some considerations about some cuts, even if I completely agree with most of them, I think you should reconsider Devilish Valet who when paired with a card like Siege Gang Commander and Offspring represents more than enough to remove one player out of the game. His power will be *8! Eventually Jazal Goldmane with Tetsuko Umezawa gives you a large pump for your creatures after being unblocable thanks to him. So it would make sense to keep him if we keep the latter in the deck.
I'm a little surprised you didn't touch the wraths, especially after the discussion during the first impressions video, The Battle of Bywater, Fell the Mighty, and Retribution of the Meek all are mostly one-sided in this deck and fairly cheap. I also like Ghired's Belligerence for the potential multi-populate trigger. Caretaker's Talent is a really good fit too, as are Soulherder, Kor Cartographer, and Canoptek Scarab Swarm. For the pricier upgrades, Delney, Streetwise Lookout is a perfect include. The interesting thing about this commander is that it's got such a wide variety of cards it's good with.
Considering how sceptical you seemed of the precon in the First Impressions video I've been looking forward to this one :) Edit: not so sure about removing the Devilish Valet, personally I managed to swing for ~400dmg at one of my opponents with a Jacked Rabbit on the board and 2x offsprings in a single turn.
Yeah, the Valet can certainly put the damage out, but most of the game it (and its offspring) will just sit there menacingly without being able to do anything since we won't survive swinging in with his 3 toughness. That said, since he can certainly win games (or at least knock 2 players out with offspring alone, and potentially all 3 with other token mutlipers) I can certainly see leaving him in.
Loving the upgrade selection as usual. As much as i love warleaders call, wouldn't it stop our commander from getting its attack bonus since our tokens will now be 2/2s or am i misunderstanding what base power means? Additionally, i think adding cards like horn of gondor and Goblin bombardment would be hilarious in this build Edit: Ocelot pride and ragavan would go crazy in this build too i think. We're already not eating. Might as well be homeless for the month 😂
Glad you enjoyed it! Base power refers to the printed power on the card WITHOUT any modifiers - for example, the base power of a 1/1 with a +1/+1 counter on it would still be 1 despite its stats now being a 2/2. This is why Warleaders Call and other anthem affects still work fine here, since the base power of our tokens and creatures doesn't change even if we pump them.
excellent upgrades for this precon im interested in this one because of the value of the new cards + reprints + the fact that these could be tools for my Garth one-eye token deck for budget we have believe it not the did not add "Swords to plowshare" for the core factor of the deck so add if you want claim jumper for ramp if your brave enough wiht demostrate Silverquill Lecturer will let you get a third token if you offspring for the more expensive category Obviously anything that doubles/triples the token creation like Mondrak, Glory Dominus Ojer Taq, Deepest foundation Ocelot Pride and Anointed Procession and the impact temur package clearly the best of them all which is the hardest one to remove and thats Purphoros, God of the Forge its the only one thats indestructible and deals 2 damage per enter instead of 1 And since your making 1/1 versions of creatures Delney, Streetwise lookout will double the triggers of the baby versions finally Moonshaker Calvary for a Finisher plus you can double the effect with offspring
I miss protection to the commander, offspring hability by itself can make the other players want to focus the bird, but if it becomes a voltron comander for sure they will remove it from the battlefield. I would add some protection from creatures, indestructible or hexproof. Also fly with deffence 3 is not that good.... The commander would be chilling with first strike or double strike since the deck has boros imo.
What OVO for? The Optimal Version's Options? Totally unrelated references aside, amazing video as always! Next up... the trashman! I mean- the Animated Army precon! Nice! I wonder if the video will be in stop motion for the pun... Day 1076 of waiting for the face reveal. Speaking of totally not name-related references... how much do you know about the Drake v Kendrick Lamar beef? :)
Hey folks! Below is the complete list of changes made to the deck for you convenience & be sure to let me know in the comments if you agree/disagree with my upgrade suggestions or if there are any cards you think I missed / would also be good includes for this deck. Feedback is always appreciated!
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Offspring Targets | Tokens
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Plumecreed Escort >>> Loyal Apprentice
Blade Splicer >>> Siege-Gang Lieutenant
Restoration Angel >>> Oltec Matterweaver
Jazal Goldmane >>> Warren Warleader
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Offspring Targets | Ramp
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Thriving Isle >>> Professional Face-Breaker
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Offspring Targets | Draw
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Inspiring Overseer >>> Welcoming Vampire
Illusory Ambusher >>> Rumor Gatherer
Cloudblazer >>> Mulldrifter
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Offspring Targets | ETB Matters
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Inferno Titan >>> Witty Roastmaster
Sun Titan >>> Molten Gatekeeper
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ETB Matters
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Angel of the Ruins >>> Warleader's Call
Time Wipe >>> Impact Tremors
Shield Broker >>> Panharmonicon
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Copy Tokens
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Thriving Bluff >>> Rootborn Defenses
Arthur, Marigold Knight >>> Cayth, Famed Mechanist
Devilish Valet >>> Muster the Departed
Chart a Course >>> Song of the Worldsoul
Circuit Mender >>> Romana II
Storm of Souls >>> Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer
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Core
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Rowdy Research >>> Idol of Oblivion
Cut a Deal >>> Skullclamp
Aetherize >>> Prosperous Partnership
Thopter Engineer >>> Generous Gift
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High Price Upgrades
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Rumor Gatherer >>> Recruiter of the Guard
Welcoming Vampire >>> Imperial Recruiter
Romana II >>> Nesting Dovehawk
Spirited Companion >>> Esper Sentinel
Ornithopter of Paradise >>> Dockside Extortionist
Two of my favorite upgrades to the deck so far that I didn't see you mention have been Volatile Stormdrake and Phantasmal Image. If you happen to have a Panharm effect out then it's nutty, but just by themselves, one let's you swipe two creatures, pay to keep one if you want, and the other is just a cheap copy of anything you need at the moment.
I once copied a diluvian Primordial and cast living death halfway into a game. Fun times haha
I upgraded this deck to give to my friend as a birthday gift.. I am proud to say that my upgrades were extremely similar to what was featured in this video. Master Grazzet you've taught me well 👍
You are very welcome my student! Now go forth the all the corners of your local LGS and teach the ways for budget deckbuilding to all the financially irresponsible commander players that need it!
I’ve been waiting for this upgrades
Thank you for your patience and I hope it was worth the wait!
Not gonna lie you had me laughing at the end with the comments about esper sentinel and dockside extorsionist 😂 excellent deck upgrade as always
I'm very excited to upgrade this deck myself. I like to watch your upgrade videos and then look at the cards i already have to see what has similar effects, it's worked well so far!
Hears hope it continues to work!
A little surprised you dropped devilish valet, especially after adding Brudiclad, but I see where you're coming from. Also, rip Dockside Extortionist. I'll always love you.
Thank you!!!
You're welcome!
I really like Serra Ascendant for this commander. If played early, its 2 - 6/6 Flyers with lifelink for only 3 mana. And Zinnia only cares about the base power being 1.
This came out at a perfect time. This commander was the one I was the least sure how to improve so having a starting point is very helpful!
I feel like Zinnia can be the most busted but also the most general of the commander precons
Tbh all the bloomburrow commander decks are pretty busted. Every commander is doing something really cool and pretty powerful
My buddy is so excited for this build. I’ve already sent it to him. 😊
Hope they find it useful!
I love The Odd Acorn Gang. Gotta vote for em
I think it's one of the coolest of the precon bunch this time.
As for the future builds, I really hope to see a rat build on Vren the Relentless. Since I recently built your Vraska the Silencer deck and having 2 "removal tribal" decks would be a nightmare for my pod :D but this time it's rats!
Some considerations about some cuts, even if I completely agree with most of them, I think you should reconsider Devilish Valet who when paired with a card like Siege Gang Commander and Offspring represents more than enough to remove one player out of the game. His power will be *8!
Eventually Jazal Goldmane with Tetsuko Umezawa gives you a large pump for your creatures after being unblocable thanks to him. So it would make sense to keep him if we keep the latter in the deck.
I'm a little surprised you didn't touch the wraths, especially after the discussion during the first impressions video, The Battle of Bywater, Fell the Mighty, and Retribution of the Meek all are mostly one-sided in this deck and fairly cheap. I also like Ghired's Belligerence for the potential multi-populate trigger. Caretaker's Talent is a really good fit too, as are Soulherder, Kor Cartographer, and Canoptek Scarab Swarm. For the pricier upgrades, Delney, Streetwise Lookout is a perfect include. The interesting thing about this commander is that it's got such a wide variety of cards it's good with.
Local bird kills a man with 60 babies
You are not wrong....
Considering how sceptical you seemed of the precon in the First Impressions video I've been looking forward to this one :)
Edit: not so sure about removing the Devilish Valet, personally I managed to swing for ~400dmg at one of my opponents with a Jacked Rabbit on the board and 2x offsprings in a single turn.
Yeah, the Valet can certainly put the damage out, but most of the game it (and its offspring) will just sit there menacingly without being able to do anything since we won't survive swinging in with his 3 toughness.
That said, since he can certainly win games (or at least knock 2 players out with offspring alone, and potentially all 3 with other token mutlipers) I can certainly see leaving him in.
The new Caretaker’s Talent is perfect here too
I’m new to magic, do you think you could maybe tell the power levels or an estimate of what your cut rate upgrades bring them
LETS GO
Loving the upgrade selection as usual.
As much as i love warleaders call, wouldn't it stop our commander from getting its attack bonus since our tokens will now be 2/2s or am i misunderstanding what base power means?
Additionally, i think adding cards like horn of gondor and Goblin bombardment would be hilarious in this build
Edit: Ocelot pride and ragavan would go crazy in this build too i think. We're already not eating. Might as well be homeless for the month 😂
Glad you enjoyed it!
Base power refers to the printed power on the card WITHOUT any modifiers - for example, the base power of a 1/1 with a +1/+1 counter on it would still be 1 despite its stats now being a 2/2. This is why Warleaders Call and other anthem affects still work fine here, since the base power of our tokens and creatures doesn't change even if we pump them.
Would Agate Instigator work as replacement/equivalent to Witty Roastmaster?
I know Ocelot Pride is expensive suddenly but if ever I want to put it in, what do I replace? Thanks
There is a lot of leftover weird creatures that can be replaced. Play with the deck and find which cards don’t have a real role in it
Way out of budget, but Mondrak would go crazy in this deck.
Yeah, them and other token multiples can really get a LOT of mileage alongside Zinnia.
zinnia feels like an ishai kinda play style to wait and then one-shot someone. lol
I mean that can happen - this deck can put out a lot of tokens so Zinnia's power can get pretty close to one shot range with the proper boardstate.
Is this a partner commander?
They are not.
excellent upgrades for this precon im interested in this one because of the value of the new cards + reprints + the fact that these could be tools for my Garth one-eye token deck
for budget we have
believe it not the did not add "Swords to plowshare" for the core factor of the deck so add if you want
claim jumper for ramp
if your brave enough wiht demostrate Silverquill Lecturer will let you get a third token if you offspring
for the more expensive category
Obviously anything that doubles/triples the token creation like
Mondrak, Glory Dominus
Ojer Taq, Deepest foundation
Ocelot Pride
and Anointed Procession
and the impact temur package clearly the best of them all which is the hardest one to remove
and thats Purphoros, God of the Forge its the only one thats indestructible and deals 2 damage per enter instead of 1
And since your making 1/1 versions of creatures Delney, Streetwise lookout will double the triggers of the baby versions
finally Moonshaker Calvary for a Finisher plus you can double the effect with offspring
I miss protection to the commander, offspring hability by itself can make the other players want to focus the bird, but if it becomes a voltron comander for sure they will remove it from the battlefield. I would add some protection from creatures, indestructible or hexproof. Also fly with deffence 3 is not that good.... The commander would be chilling with first strike or double strike since the deck has boros imo.
What OVO for? The Optimal Version's Options? Totally unrelated references aside, amazing video as always!
Next up... the trashman! I mean- the Animated Army precon! Nice! I wonder if the video will be in stop motion for the pun...
Day 1076 of waiting for the face reveal. Speaking of totally not name-related references... how much do you know about the Drake v Kendrick Lamar beef? :)
Glad you enjoyed the build as usual!
Honestly, I do not follow rapper drama - so I have not knowledge of this whatsoever.
Her*
zinnia's gender is unknown as the precon booklet refers to them as 'they'
Official lore from MTG states that Zinnia is referred to as they.