Pulling with Snatch Rings, X-Rings, and Blocks

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  • Опубликовано: 18 мар 2023
  • In this video we look at using snatch rings, X-Rigging rings, blocks, and pulleys to create different mechanical advantage setups for tree work.
    Efficiency ratings:
    5/8" CMI Block - 91.2%
    X-Rigging Beast Ring, loaded "snatch" style - 79.5%
    Schtumpa snatch ring - 75.2%
    7/8" Steel shackle - 62.5%
    DMM Steel Carabiner - 59.8%
    2:1 Pull Testing
    CMI Block - 2.0 : 1
    X-Ring - 1.86:1
    Snatch Ring - 1.71:1
    Trucker's Hitch 3:1 setup
    with Snatch Rings - 2.35:1
    with pulleys - 2.88:1
    Spanish Burton 4:1 setup (2:1 on a 2:1)
    with Snatch Rings - 2.88:1
    with 1 X-Ring and 1 Snatch Ring - 3.02:1
    Check out Robert Pepper's RUclips channel @L2SFBC for more detailed testing of snatch ring pulling setups:
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Комментарии • 33

  • @stillwater62
    @stillwater62 Год назад +6

    That was a very impressive, time-consuming experiment. It is men such as yourself that are the pioneers in advancing tree work to be safer, and more efficient.

  • @litman252
    @litman252 Год назад +3

    Thanks much for putting the time into that with actual measurements. Greatly appreciated!

  • @biggs8729
    @biggs8729 6 месяцев назад +2

    Nice video. Spanish Burton is what I use in my vehicle recovery kit.
    The size of the rope has a lot to do with the efficiency of the rigging ring. Looks like you were sometimes running a 5/8 or 3/4” rope in a rigging ring meant for a 1/2” winch rope. If the rope has to Squeeze itself in and out of the ring, that probably has a lot to do with the friction loss. Looks like the X Ring has a lot more room for the bigger rope.
    Thanks for sharing, gives me some ideas about what to expect from my kit.

  • @dan-dan-da-treeman
    @dan-dan-da-treeman 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for all this! Your a living encyclopedia of tree knowledge. Thanks for sharing all you do.

  • @MrSingleJack
    @MrSingleJack Год назад +2

    Great, informative vid, Patrick! Thanks for the testing numbers. I've been using "Snatch-Rings" for a couple of years after smashing a block against a rock. I work in a lot of 'hardscape' - pavement & rocky ground. So, the cost of the Soft-Shackle should, also, be figured into the gear-at-risk if damage occurs. I make my own Soft-Shakles which further reduces the cost of gear-at-risk. I *only* use "Snatch-Rings" in situations where an expensive block might get damaged. I use "Snatch-Blocks" in all the other locations where they are 'safer' from damage; Z-rig, anchors, redirects, etc. That way I only sacrifice efficiency in the location(s) where damage is might occur. Again, GREAT VID - thank you sir!

  • @groundpounder24365
    @groundpounder24365 Год назад +3

    I appreciate your channel, Patrick. I have learned a TON from you. Very informative

  • @DavidBoschGR
    @DavidBoschGR Год назад +1

    Very helpful to know Patrick. It's great to have options.

  • @anthonygalipo9875
    @anthonygalipo9875 Год назад +1

    Always awesome info on your channel thank you for all your time

  • @bobwiese6128
    @bobwiese6128 Год назад

    Excellent work Patrick, Thanks.

  • @63sfletcher
    @63sfletcher Год назад +1

    Thanks for your time effort.

  • @timeorspace
    @timeorspace Год назад

    Great Video! Thank you for thinking, I still believe thinking makes a difference.

  • @chrisw5742
    @chrisw5742 6 месяцев назад

    Yep Snatch rings are awesome. I have a few of them with soft shackles.

  • @erickdoody1194
    @erickdoody1194 10 месяцев назад

    I use a dead-eye beast ring for this purpose 🤙 works superb

  • @TimberTrainer
    @TimberTrainer Год назад +9

    I don't recommend using snatch rings for rigging in the tree. I tried it in a negative rigging and the rope jumped out of the ring. It ended up melting a groove in the anchor sling.

    • @TreeMuggs_PatrickM
      @TreeMuggs_PatrickM  Год назад +5

      Yeah that is definitely what would happen. The rope jumped out of these 2 rings more than once while setting up these tests.... - Patrick

    • @TimberTrainer
      @TimberTrainer Год назад +1

      @@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Thanks for showing the data. Your work helps the community. - Richie

    • @jtr109
      @jtr109 Год назад

      I was thinking the same thing. If the pulling rope gets a mind of its own, it might fall out of that groove. If your lucky, you could still re-climb it and fix or omit it. If it pops out when it’s show time…
      Because of the risk of crushing gear, I don’t add that 2:1 pulley on the peg, but if I thought I needed the extra force multiplier, I think I’d rather just use a ring sling and write it off if it hits hard.

    • @TimberTrainer
      @TimberTrainer Год назад

      @@jtr109 My setup was negative rigging on a beast ring. It was girth hitched on the eye of a 5/8" tenex sling. The increased bend radius was good, but the 1/2" rigging line jumped out of the groove. No major problems beyond that learning experience.

    • @chrisw5742
      @chrisw5742 6 месяцев назад

      they make rings with little rubber rope holders that make it so the rope doesn't fall out.

  • @dgoodman1484
    @dgoodman1484 Год назад

    Great video, very informative. Would have loved to seen the x-ring tested in the same way but swapped where they are choked with the load line going through the center like we use them as a redirect. No doubt it’s worse due to the tighter bend and higher friction but how much worse because that way they won’t jump out of the U- notch 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @imaphxaznative
    @imaphxaznative 3 месяца назад

    Wow, you did some great testing on those x/snatch rings/blocks. It's interesting to see the efficiency of each vary so much. I'm just looking into doing some climbing & down rigging now that my son is old enough to be the down guy. Do you have a video that you recommend for climbing. I've seen some of your fishing 🎣 pole techniques on rigging which really dumb it down for me.

  • @chrisdaunhauer1757
    @chrisdaunhauer1757 Год назад +1

    Great content as usual. Thanks for the effort. My question is HOW would I know that I have "smashed" any of my rigging gear to the extent it should be condemned (?) If a errant chunk lands on a ring or pulley (of any level of quality or cost), is the mere absence of bends or cracks in it enough to maintain my confidence in it ?

  • @belowfray5251
    @belowfray5251 4 месяца назад

    I would see nothing wrong with a lil silicone spray on it once in a while

  • @groundpounder24365
    @groundpounder24365 Год назад

    So please do tell...how do I get my hands one one of your stickers? My buddy Rob bob got a couple 😢.

    • @TreeMuggs_PatrickM
      @TreeMuggs_PatrickM  Год назад +1

      Haha, send me an email with your address and I'll get you some..... patrick@educatedclimber.com

    • @groundpounder24365
      @groundpounder24365 Год назад

      @EducatedClimber YES! Thank you Patrick I shall immediately sticker my helmet upon arrival

  • @matthewpolo227
    @matthewpolo227 Год назад

    PATRICK CAN YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION IN PREVIOUS VID , THANKS.

  • @Joesdifferent
    @Joesdifferent Год назад

    I would love to give you the opportunity to understand about a mechanical device that I have invented that is by far the strongest on the market #zrunner is the mechanical device that is midline attachable made out of stainless steel and it has all of the configurations needed for SRT and DRT climbing scenarios.

  • @zacheryhenderson497
    @zacheryhenderson497 11 месяцев назад

    I guess i dont get what your testing 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @graystonegardens1642
    @graystonegardens1642 7 месяцев назад

    Now if you could just explain it in normal pounds.