My wife and I bought the Rockwood 2606WS recently and would love to upgrade to this system. We currently have 2 of the gopower 190 watt panels on the roof and 2 flooded batteries, but the included inverter is only 1000 watts. Hopefully, Mastervolt will offer this package!
Mic Brenoel - congrats on your 2606WS! Yes our company can install Mastervolt systems into most floorplans including the 2606. Please contact ABC Upfitters for more information. Thanks!
I purchased a 2205s with the power package. My dealer knew nothing. Great video! I still have so many questions. I would appreciate some help! I have been out on a 2 day camping trip with power. When parked at home it is plugged.
What I've found is that the dealers that I have encountered have zero idea of how the system works and how to optimize it. I would seek out the Facebook Group for this system (facebook.com/groups/770160891333118) and participate in that. The company that puts it together for Rockwood/Flagstaff - ABC Upfitters - regularly participates in that Group and there are other members who are very, very knowledgeable there as well.
Good to see you both. WOW! what a great system. I have 190 watt solar panel and a 1000 watt inverter on my Minnie Winnie. It powers one 110 plug, the 12 volt plugs and usb only. I want to upgrade, at least, so it will run the refrigerator, when driving,
Thanks for sharing. I just hope people understand the comments at 17:00 about how long you can run your air conditioner. I like the power share option, it's one of the features my next trailer would have gone with the "V" brand inverter charger. Wish my 21DS had room for 1000W of PV panels!
Unfortunately there's not a solid answer to the AC question of course. I have NO idea how they get five panels on the roof as ours "only" has four and we are thrilled with that. Plus the newer GoPower panels are 200 watt panels instead of 190s so it's more and more powerful panels.
@@StressLessCamping The math isn't bad if you know your A/C's power needs. My 13.5k BTU Coleman Mach is around 120A during run time. Subtract the average solar you are getting in (if any) and divide by your batteries' usable Ah. My setup can do about 4 hours of A/C runtime when its really hot out and I have full sun.
Ugh you might consider finding a locally-owned dealership. Know that Rockwood and Flagstaff are the same brand so if you have a locally-owned dealership that has either brand that might be better. The Power Package is simply a line item option on the 2205s. Here are some tips for your shopping: www.stresslesscamping.com/rv-shopping-tips
@@StressLessCamping I got a quick question for yall I just got a quote on the 2205s with the power package and slide topper with the dinnet option and manual stabilizer jacks and was curious as to what yall think of the price of 57,000 usd they said they will ship it to me in about 2 months after my initial down payment. Does this price sound reasonable to yall I’ve seen y’all’s videos and you seem to really like the power package. Has it held up well and would you pay 57,000 for a rockwood equipped with it. Thankyou, Mason
Just a heads up about power - Power = Current * Voltage. So, 45A * 12V = 540W and 30A * 120V = 3,600W. So, you can get almost seven times the amount of power from a 30A hook-up source than you can from a 45A solar source. BTW, we really enjoy your show and the experiences you share.
Well shoot - I should have asked Mike Sokol before I made that comment. Thank you for the clarification. Also thank you very much for the kind words. We sincerely appreciate them!
Do you know if another 400ah battery can be added to the system or is there just no more room? I would like to run my A/C all night but would have to double up the battery storage to do so.
Well, a few things. First of all it's a 1,000 watt solar array (5 x 200 watts). But remember that you don't run the things in the RV from the solar panels but, rather, from the battery and inverter. All the solar does is replenish the power in the battery. That's how I could run the AC in the middle of the night and hope for a sunny day the next day...but not too sunny and hot 🤓 This has a 460ah lithium battery and a 3,000 watt Combimaster inverter system. So I can run the AC from 4-7 hours depending on how it's set (remember AC units cycle) and what other demands there are on the system.
We looked at a 2511 today in PA and asked the dealer about power package. On their order form option list it says Power Package (2509S and 2205S). We loved the 2511 but were hoping to be able to get that power package on it. Maybe in the next few months?
Actually you can contact ABC Upfitters - they can install these systems retroactively and are the ones Rockwood/Flagstaff has chosen to engineer these systems.
@@StressLessCamping I did fill out all fields on their contact form and then posted my question, but when I hit SUBMIT I got "The form configuration is incomplete". Not a good first impression. I've been working with computers since 1992, so I do know how to fill out a form. I'll try emailing Wendy at Customer Support. But do you also have a tech support contact at MasterVolt? I'd rather speak with the folks who designed the tech (which is why I don't like Victron). I'm a tech myself.
@@health101DOTorg we haven’t actually ever contacted MasterVolt; we call ABC directly. In the link I posted before, there is a phone number. They are very helpful.
I have a question 👋 Often the only place to install a system like this is under the bed so I wonder how high the emfs are that are being emitted from the system. Has your company done a study on this? How safe is it for our bodies to sleep on top of?
Ours is under the bed and I don't have any idea if there would be any long-term effects from this. The products and wiring are well shielded and then there's an aluminum-framed platform and a thick mattress (we replaced ours). I haven't even been able to hear the fan in the system when it runs in the night but that's the best answer I have.
When you tow the trailer, do you disconnect the battery switch to the coach outlets enroute or do you prefer to leave it active (to power the refrigerator for example).
We leave it engaged/active. The charging system then has power from the solar panels as well as the tow vehicle. I've never arrived at a campsite with anything less than a full battery after six hours of driving or so, which is what we've typically been doing.
What is the cost of this option and how long the A/C lasts? One of Rockwood's power options in the past reduced the A/C from 13.5 KBTUs to a soft-start 11 KBTUs. Is this also the case?
A lot of variables depending on options/choices but I think the MSRP is somewhere in the $11,000 range. However, as with most things RV, you can find the package for less depending on the dealership.
@@AdorableDeplorable1 There is always a cheaper way to do anything. For the person who truly understands these systems you could save the labor costs of a professional installer. But we also know people who get part-way through an installation and get stumped and then have to either give up after having paid for pieces or pay someone to fix their mistakes. Cheaper isn’t always the better solution. I believe the LIST price (MSRP) is in the neighborhood of $11,000 or so but most dealers are offering discounts again. With the typical discounts offered by many RV dealers that would make this finished, installed system comparable to the pieced-together solution you quoted and with a system like this you could rest assured that all the pieces work well together, are warranted by ONE provider and are properly wired with quality wiring and connections. There is absolute value in that to me.
It is POSSIBLE, but not practical. Do some research on the portable solar generators. Oupes makes a mega 5, $2,500 Range, less with seasonal deals, and it has a 4,000 watt 7,000 peak inverter, 5040 watt hours of battery, charge controller built in. You can simultaneously charge from AC and solar, you can use it while charging, and drumroll please. You plug your 30 amp cord into it and you can power the whole camper, no contest. The convenience of 1,000 watts on the roof is great in the open, but here in the East, the campsites are shaded, so portable generator and portable panels are more versatile.I do like the solar on the roof but bang for the buck goes hands down to portable solar generator, JMHO. Other than a $5,000 battery bank onboard, this will equal or exceed the total output of power of a $11,000 plus system, minus the cost of solar, $1,000-$1,500. Great idea but I think the factory missed the boat and hope consumers understand the cost/limitations of this stuff. Please don’t post-poo my comments, I have owned an 8.4KW solar on my home for 7 years, excellent investment.
As all this technology advances in leaps and bounds the number of options for people who understand what's available is pretty impressive. Larger portable power stations like what you mentioned and others are incredible. But you have issues if it's raining as they don't tend to like to be outside. However they can also provide home back-up as well. These larger units can also be a challenge to move for some people. The convenience of having a system like ours in the RV always ready to rock and roll is also a factor. We leave the fridge on in the camper all the time, for example. Also understand that there's the MSRP (list price) for a system like ours and the real price paid. Our first camper we did use a portable power station but not nearly one as capable as yours. As with so many things, there's never just one answer and yours may work very well for some RVers. Thank you for your input, I would never downplay an idea with merit that someone took the time to share with us.
@@barbaradowney4207 Lot of $$, but worth it for someone who needs it. I built my own battery, ground deploy 200 watt solar panel system with a 2k inverter and dc to dc charger. Works a treat, runs the microwave and coffee maker great, and is 100% charged by early afternoon.
I appreciate what the rep from Mastervolt is saying, but do they really care? Lippert is a shit show! Is there a way to talk with a Mastervolt rep that could help me understand the awesome option I paid for?
Absolutely! You could reach out to ABC Upfitters directly (they're the ones who designed and prepped the Power Package system) OR they run a Facebook Group and are VERY responsive. facebook.com/groups/770160891333118/ We've worked with ABC Upfitters for some time now and they really do run a class operation. On that Facebook Group they just shared a bunch of resources and continue to do so. Mastervolt is absolutely not part of Lippert - they are a separate company altogether and have previously been focused on marine installations where there is truly little tolerance for failure.
@@StressLessCamping Thanks for your response! I have been watching much of your content without even noticing. I am now subbed. I don't do Facebook. Any other ideas for way I can learn more? I have taken the rig out a couple of times now, and been very impressed by how much solar is being captured by the solar panels!
ABC Upfitters has a channel now - www.youtube.com/@abc_upfitters We fully understand the reticence to using Facebook but you could just set-up a dummy account and only follow the places/groups/companies that have value. Thank you for subscribing!
Bravo Tony, Peggy and ABC Upfitters...excellent video explaining the PP!
Thank you kindly! Appreciate the kind words.
Now this is a game changer :) Thanks for sharing
My wife and I bought the Rockwood 2606WS recently and would love to upgrade to this system. We currently have 2 of the gopower 190 watt panels on the roof and 2 flooded batteries, but the included inverter is only 1000 watts.
Hopefully, Mastervolt will offer this package!
We recommend reaching out to ABC Upfitters and ask - they are able to do some pretty nifty upgrades!
Mic Brenoel - congrats on your 2606WS! Yes our company can install Mastervolt systems into most floorplans including the 2606. Please contact ABC Upfitters for more information. Thanks!
@@StressLessCamping thank you
I purchased a 2205s with the power package. My dealer knew nothing. Great video! I still have so many questions. I would appreciate some help! I have been out on a 2 day camping trip with power. When parked at home it is plugged.
What I've found is that the dealers that I have encountered have zero idea of how the system works and how to optimize it.
I would seek out the Facebook Group for this system (facebook.com/groups/770160891333118) and participate in that. The company that puts it together for Rockwood/Flagstaff - ABC Upfitters - regularly participates in that Group and there are other members who are very, very knowledgeable there as well.
Good to see you both. WOW! what a great system. I have 190 watt solar panel and a 1000 watt inverter on my Minnie Winnie. It powers one 110 plug, the 12 volt plugs and usb only. I want to upgrade, at least, so it will run the refrigerator, when driving,
In theory you may be able to run the refrigerator while driving already using the alternator of the motorhome.
So a total solar boondocking experience IS possible? Imagine the possibility of solar equilibrium
Thanks for sharing. I just hope people understand the comments at 17:00 about how long you can run your air conditioner. I like the power share option, it's one of the features my next trailer would have gone with the "V" brand inverter charger. Wish my 21DS had room for 1000W of PV panels!
Unfortunately there's not a solid answer to the AC question of course.
I have NO idea how they get five panels on the roof as ours "only" has four and we are thrilled with that. Plus the newer GoPower panels are 200 watt panels instead of 190s so it's more and more powerful panels.
@@StressLessCamping The math isn't bad if you know your A/C's power needs. My 13.5k BTU Coleman Mach is around 120A during run time. Subtract the average solar you are getting in (if any) and divide by your batteries' usable Ah. My setup can do about 4 hours of A/C runtime when its really hot out and I have full sun.
This is the package I want can yall point me in the direction to purchase this system on a 2205s camping world is not understanding what it is I want
Ugh you might consider finding a locally-owned dealership. Know that Rockwood and Flagstaff are the same brand so if you have a locally-owned dealership that has either brand that might be better.
The Power Package is simply a line item option on the 2205s.
Here are some tips for your shopping: www.stresslesscamping.com/rv-shopping-tips
@@StressLessCamping I got a quick question for yall I just got a quote on the 2205s with the power package and slide topper with the dinnet option and manual stabilizer jacks and was curious as to what yall think of the price of 57,000 usd they said they will ship it to me in about 2 months after my initial down payment. Does this price sound reasonable to yall I’ve seen y’all’s videos and you seem to really like the power package. Has it held up well and would you pay 57,000 for a rockwood equipped with it.
Thankyou, Mason
I ment to say automatic stabilizer jacks
@@MasonHoward-t1lthat seems to be about the price range we have seen. A lot of factors are involved such as location, dealer, etc.
Just a heads up about power - Power = Current * Voltage. So, 45A * 12V = 540W and 30A * 120V = 3,600W. So, you can get almost seven times the amount of power from a 30A hook-up source than you can from a 45A solar source. BTW, we really enjoy your show and the experiences you share.
Well shoot - I should have asked Mike Sokol before I made that comment. Thank you for the clarification.
Also thank you very much for the kind words. We sincerely appreciate them!
@@StressLessCamping No problem and you still have a GREAT power system! (I'm envious!)
Do you know if another 400ah battery can be added to the system or is there just no more room? I would like to run my A/C all night but would have to double up the battery storage to do so.
@Paul Johnson - yes another 400AH can be added to these floorplans. ABC Upfitters can do this!
Nice video. But it would be helpful to know how you can run a 1000 watt AC off a 600 watt solar array? This is just math.
Well, a few things.
First of all it's a 1,000 watt solar array (5 x 200 watts).
But remember that you don't run the things in the RV from the solar panels but, rather, from the battery and inverter. All the solar does is replenish the power in the battery. That's how I could run the AC in the middle of the night and hope for a sunny day the next day...but not too sunny and hot 🤓
This has a 460ah lithium battery and a 3,000 watt Combimaster inverter system. So I can run the AC from 4-7 hours depending on how it's set (remember AC units cycle) and what other demands there are on the system.
Cool. Factory says 600 watts. I'll have have a chat with them!
We looked at a 2511 today in PA and asked the dealer about power package. On their order form option list it says Power Package (2509S and 2205S). We loved the 2511 but were hoping to be able to get that power package on it. Maybe in the next few months?
Actually you can contact ABC Upfitters - they can install these systems retroactively and are the ones Rockwood/Flagstaff has chosen to engineer these systems.
How can I contact Mastervolt tech support to ask a technical question?
They thrive on technical questions! Here is their contact information: www.abcmktginc.com/contact-us
@@StressLessCamping I did fill out all fields on their contact form and then posted my question, but when I hit SUBMIT I got "The form configuration is incomplete". Not a good first impression. I've been working with computers since 1992, so I do know how to fill out a form. I'll try emailing Wendy at Customer Support.
But do you also have a tech support contact at MasterVolt? I'd rather speak with the folks who designed the tech (which is why I don't like Victron). I'm a tech myself.
@@health101DOTorg we haven’t actually ever contacted MasterVolt; we call ABC directly. In the link I posted before, there is a phone number. They are very helpful.
I have a question 👋
Often the only place to install a system like this is under the bed so I wonder how high the emfs are that are being emitted from the system. Has your company done a study on this? How safe is it for our bodies to sleep on top of?
Ours is under the bed and I don't have any idea if there would be any long-term effects from this. The products and wiring are well shielded and then there's an aluminum-framed platform and a thick mattress (we replaced ours).
I haven't even been able to hear the fan in the system when it runs in the night but that's the best answer I have.
When you tow the trailer, do you disconnect the battery switch to the coach outlets enroute or do you prefer to leave it active (to power the refrigerator for example).
We leave it engaged/active. The charging system then has power from the solar panels as well as the tow vehicle. I've never arrived at a campsite with anything less than a full battery after six hours of driving or so, which is what we've typically been doing.
What is the cost of this option and how long the A/C lasts?
One of Rockwood's power options in the past reduced the A/C from 13.5 KBTUs to a soft-start 11 KBTUs. Is this also the case?
I believe this depends on the model. Our previous 2205S did have an 11,500 BTU air conditioner.
Ballpark cost?
A lot of variables depending on options/choices but I think the MSRP is somewhere in the $11,000 range. However, as with most things RV, you can find the package for less depending on the dealership.
You could do a comparable system with Victron components and Battleborn batteries for around $7k.
@@AdorableDeplorable1 There is always a cheaper way to do anything. For the person who truly understands these systems you could save the labor costs of a professional installer. But we also know people who get part-way through an installation and get stumped and then have to either give up after having paid for pieces or pay someone to fix their mistakes. Cheaper isn’t always the better solution.
I believe the LIST price (MSRP) is in the neighborhood of $11,000 or so but most dealers are offering discounts again. With the typical discounts offered by many RV dealers that would make this finished, installed system comparable to the pieced-together solution you quoted and with a system like this you could rest assured that all the pieces work well together, are warranted by ONE provider and are properly wired with quality wiring and connections.
There is absolute value in that to me.
It is POSSIBLE, but not practical. Do some research on the portable solar generators. Oupes makes a mega 5, $2,500 Range, less with seasonal deals, and it has a 4,000 watt 7,000 peak inverter, 5040 watt hours of battery, charge controller built in. You can simultaneously charge from AC and solar, you can use it while charging, and drumroll please. You plug your 30 amp cord into it and you can power the whole camper, no contest. The convenience of 1,000 watts on the roof is great in the open, but here in the East, the campsites are shaded, so portable generator and portable panels are more versatile.I do like the solar on the roof but bang for the buck goes hands down to portable solar generator, JMHO. Other than a $5,000 battery bank onboard, this will equal or exceed the total output of power of a $11,000 plus system, minus the cost of solar, $1,000-$1,500. Great idea but I think the factory missed the boat and hope consumers understand the cost/limitations of this stuff. Please don’t post-poo my comments, I have owned an 8.4KW solar on my home for 7 years, excellent investment.
As all this technology advances in leaps and bounds the number of options for people who understand what's available is pretty impressive.
Larger portable power stations like what you mentioned and others are incredible. But you have issues if it's raining as they don't tend to like to be outside. However they can also provide home back-up as well. These larger units can also be a challenge to move for some people.
The convenience of having a system like ours in the RV always ready to rock and roll is also a factor. We leave the fridge on in the camper all the time, for example.
Also understand that there's the MSRP (list price) for a system like ours and the real price paid.
Our first camper we did use a portable power station but not nearly one as capable as yours. As with so many things, there's never just one answer and yours may work very well for some RVers. Thank you for your input, I would never downplay an idea with merit that someone took the time to share with us.
Ball park cost for the system?
Unfortunately I don't have that but a Rockwood or Flagstaff dealer would know specifically.
We looked at a Rockwood today and the option lists power package at $11,963.
@@barbaradowney4207 Lot of $$, but worth it for someone who needs it. I built my own battery, ground deploy 200 watt solar panel system with a 2k inverter and dc to dc charger. Works a treat, runs the microwave and coffee maker great, and is 100% charged by early afternoon.
@@barbaradowney4207 Yikes that is Alot of $$$$.I would have thought they could do it for 7K rather then 12K. Got to be a huge mark up.
I appreciate what the rep from Mastervolt is saying, but do they really care? Lippert is a shit show! Is there a way to talk with a Mastervolt rep that could help me understand the awesome option I paid for?
Absolutely! You could reach out to ABC Upfitters directly (they're the ones who designed and prepped the Power Package system) OR they run a Facebook Group and are VERY responsive. facebook.com/groups/770160891333118/
We've worked with ABC Upfitters for some time now and they really do run a class operation. On that Facebook Group they just shared a bunch of resources and continue to do so.
Mastervolt is absolutely not part of Lippert - they are a separate company altogether and have previously been focused on marine installations where there is truly little tolerance for failure.
@@StressLessCamping Thanks for your response! I have been watching much of your content without even noticing. I am now subbed. I don't do Facebook. Any other ideas for way I can learn more? I have taken the rig out a couple of times now, and been very impressed by how much solar is being captured by the solar panels!
ABC Upfitters has a channel now - www.youtube.com/@abc_upfitters
We fully understand the reticence to using Facebook but you could just set-up a dummy account and only follow the places/groups/companies that have value.
Thank you for subscribing!
@@StressLessCamping Thank you for the link! Thanks for all you do!