Mobile CPU in a Desktop Erying Motherboard
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
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So this board is extremely hard to get now. We were waiting for more of them to come back and then post this video, but that doesn't look like it's happening. Let us know if you guys see anything that looks like a deal! We'll try to make a video about it before it goes bye-bye. ~Editor Autumn
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@@BBWahoo "One man's trash is another man's Wendell."
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An Intel microcode update that limits features after a product goes on sale happened recently. The first batch of 12th gen desktop CPUs came with AVX512, but Intel later disabled the AVX512 with a microcode update.
Fortunately, it can be bypassed using a custom Linux kernel (if you didn't update the motherboard bios)
Honestly, I respect their hustle. I got 3 of the motherboards for low power usage systems and they have around 50-100 days uptime with no weird issues. The RAM I've used is 2x16GB 3200MHz corsair LPX sticks and some random ID-Cooling coolers. They keep them cool and the experience was good. I didn't go for ES but I did order one that is an ES. It's cool that they are keeping these CPU's out of e-waste bins and such.
im also interested in using one for a low power server build. can you comment on the idle power consumption?
@@jaro1454 hey, sorry for the late reply. They are as efficient as they can be considering they are mobile parts. I guess anything that would be on par with them would be the intel T lineup of CPU if you want it to be socketed and really low power without tweaking.
I run mine as office PCs and they are doing great. Nothing weird to report. The ES has arrived and bugs out for some reason or another but only when its been up for more than 3 days which is fine as I'm using it as an emulation box which gets 2-3h of use a few times a week. Your results may vary of course.
@@micobugija6284 my 13900h ES sample can do 5.4 ghz all core @ 1.24v and using a thermalright axp 90 x47 im able to acheive 860 points on cpuz.
comparitively the 12900k does only 820 or so but i have no idea if thats just stock boost speeds or not, regardless im very happy with my sketchy laptop cpu setup haha
Even chinese put heat sinks on a laptop CPU VRM. The entry level boards and OEM have no excuses.
the early heat sinks on the VMRs of the Erying boards were too small. Overclocking or hitting the CPU hard resulted in glowing VRMs :) The later models improved a little on that. A air cooling solution with a fan blowing over the VRM works ok in this regard, so cheap "flat intel styel coolers" actually work better than tower coolers with no airflow parallel to the CPU over the VRMs....
Cheaper VRMs will run hotter, so the heatsinks might actually be necessary. But since they do it on a cheap board like this, it should be included in most boards
@@ferdievanschalkwyk1669 One can go to surprising power levels without heatsinks on DC-DC converters PROVIDED THAT high end mosfets & circuit design is used. The best setups don't have heatsinks, but also the worst...
It really is just about matching load and thermal resilience of the components. There are 140+ W vrm designs from the athlon64 days with no heatsinks and many of those boards are still alive today. It probably helped that shortly before this era all the p4 boards were exploding due to fake capacitors causing the correctly calculated design power to be massively off. Better part selection and skepticism leading to some contingency planning goes a long way.
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No it's the companies ripping off the consumer, OH MER GAWD.
No one thinks about recycling, waste, etc these days. That's part of the reason why there is winners and losers.
I got some points to add on the processor.
First off, the reason for efficiency is that the 11th gen mobile is on 10nm unlike desktop 11th gen which was on 14+++++++++
Secondly, I am using a legion laptop with this cpu that limits it to 90w. The stock voltage was on 1.09 under full load. Remains stable up to 1.03 while dropped wattage to 80w, which means you can increase multicore performance. So I suggest you do an undervolt as well.
Finally, I don't know if it would be possible or not but this could be the cheapest option for a relatively high end NAS. I wish Wendell could do some digging on that.
Edit: Also I have slightly more faith in Intel with gelsinger
Yeah, and for this price-performance i don't care that it's socketed. This is something that can live for years being deployed as any kind of secondary computer or server.
@@Splarkszter exactly. Also I have realized the only use of normal socket cpus are when cpu dies you do change the board with it otherwise anything except am4 is hasn't lasted more than 2 years to be worth "upgrading cpu"
also a user of 11800h unlocked thru EFI mod - mehran is 100% on the money and you should follow his advice! my chip takes -80mv core like a champ
Another addition: While the CPU itself really is efficient, the rest of the board is not.. In idle, some older Kaby Lake Asrock and Asus borads draw 10 watts from the wall, the Erying stays above 25 in idle, even with low-power p-states, most onboard component turned off and lean Linux/BSD OS... under full load without any fancy overcklocking, the CPU settles on a 45Watt plateau (x264 AVX512 encoding for example), the whole board then draws around 80 to 80 watts, depending on the PSU attached... So efficiency is not bad, but not as good as it could be with a better motherboard basis
@@Sabbelbacke where do you get the numbers? I mean 35 extra watts is ok in my opinion since the closest equivalent of this would be 5600 on a cheap board which I would assume consumes more power. Also every ram stick and m.2 you add takes about 7 watts soooo...
You can also get CPUs like these on substrates to put in a desktop board. Really breathed some new life into my z170 board with an 8 core 16 thread 9th gen mobile CPU.
These jank chinesium parts are great for value if you know what you're getting into.
where can you find them do they have to be engineering samples i dont understand
Where do you even find that CPU? Any keyword recommendations?
The only chinesium jank i've found on my own are those mining cards they add video-out to and change firmware of. But I'm not brave enough for that, seems like a terrible idea.
RUclips just refuses to let me post the store. Either it doesn't like links or the chinese name of the store.
@@bhume7535 Can you spell the website with commas in between characters to bypass the censorship?
@@johnnychang4233 I'll sure try. If there is no comment immediately after this then it didn't work.
Edit: bruh it got removed instantly. wtf?! Lets try one more time.
the franken laptop: pair one of these motherboards with a laptop cpu with one of those graphics cards that have a laptop gpu
i think it would be very interesting to test this platform as a nas/miniserver, its idle power use is probably lower than any cpu with similar performance and being an atx mobo is much more flexible that any minipc. honestly i think there are too few of those processors to make intel care about them enough to allocate resources on nerfing it
Would love to (selfishly) see this again with some signature off-label, wild homelab use. My i9 es board has been plugging away as a truenas media server for a few months now, but I've been trying to think of away to cram 4x firesale optane drives in it as a meta-data device. This would be less of a problem if my (8x) hba didn't already occupy the single 16x slot.
I have one of these for a budget build and have been having it for over 4 months now no problems and runs like a dream
Been having fun with the Erying 11900H ES sample model for a couple of months in a guest PC to replace a 4670K. Tried running the OC settings recommended by Craft Computing, but had stability issues. Even at defaults it's solid in gaming loads. The shim mount on mine is definitely less than ideal as it will spike to nearly 90C under full load with a 240 AIO. 3DMark CPU score is similar to my 5800X3D, although that test seems thread biased.
I grabbed the cheaper one with the 6 core I5 for a waves soundgrid server and it kicks absolute ass at that. Got a few in the mail before they got hard to find.
This is a pretty efficient deal for people on a budget, it's still worth it even with that small risk-factor! Just have a backup of some of your system stuff just in case, and this is a fairly good choice.
We have a overclock/helper group in Brazil for this Erying ES version cpus, they can run memory up to 4000mhz gear 2, or 3800mhz gear 1, and if you are lucky (using Liquid Metal and 240m+ AIO) you can run at 4.9ghz/5ghz all core. I have tuned 3 kits one for my sister and 2 for friends... One we achive i9 ES 4.9ghz all core 1.28v, 3733mhzcl18 Dual rank - Used RTX 3070, other i7 ES 4.8ghz to 4.9ghz boost up to 4 cores 1.25v, iGPU 1600mhz +265mv all using liquid metal on the Die side IHS...
My sister PC have one i9 ES 4.8ghz all core 1.25v, 2x8gb 3600mhz cl16 - RTX 2060 very good
I wonder what's the gaming performance of those, especially compared to older and budget CPUs.
@@Micromation I was impressed, these mobile chips have more cache memory than the desktop versions, not to mention the smaller lithography...
Tem link de alguma comunidade pra eu buscar essas infos de como fazer isso?
Valeu
@@mapscorp can you share this group? I'm almost banking in the new 13600H interposer. DDR5 up to 5600Mhz, PCIE4x4 M2 support, PCIE4x8 GPU support, CNVI for wifi card. And selling from a Brazilian warehouse, so no taxes, for 350 dollars. Sounds too good to be true
Have yall tried the i9 13900hk es by erying? If yes can you give me a quick review pls?
These boards could make great low power NAS systems. I wonder if they optimized idle power consumption of the motherboard.
no, they didn´t... Some of my older Gen Motherboards (Kaby Lake, Skylake, etc..) are able to go as low as a few watts, this motherboard I have never seen below 20 watts in idle, even after tuning Power states. Tried Truenas, Proxmox, tuned stripped down windows..... Its not tooo bad, but efficiency is not what one would expect from a laptop chip... My ages old Mac Pro from 2012 draws 4 watts in idle from the wall....
@@Sabbelbacke Low power stuff always seems to lack a decent number of SATA ports or PCIe ports.
@@user-uc1of9tm5zyeah unfortunately, from the name brands at least.
An Ali you can find mobile cpu based nas boards with multiple Ethernet ports and 4+ sata ports.
The Windows Update trick deserves more discussion. I have had software installed on my machine which caused problems, without my knowledge/consent, and on that machine Windows Update STILL installs updates to that trash driver even though the hardware was removed and returned for that bullshit as soon as it happened (and I tried to get it to stop, but am not going to wipe the box and do a fresh windows install for this).
I managed to snatch this board when it was first released. Got the 11800H ES board. Oh man does quirky not cover the silliness with this board. Had a blast playing with it. It's faster than a Ryzen 7 3700X. Not by much but at least on par only factoring performance. Efficency wise blows it out of the water.
How low can you get the power draw? For my home server I tend to prefer a fanless CPU, which currently limits me to a J5040 processor (though apparently the N100 has just been released).
All N100 boards seem to have fairly limited IO, and price difference is not so big. What rout did you go?
3:05 isn't the down draft cooler going against the flow-through?
This board would be pretty good for an average low powered NAS, the 4 SATA's allow for stripe+mirror raid and with the PCI-e slots you could find adaptors for m.2 drives for caching or a low profile gtx 1650 or rx 6400 for transcoding, all of this still would have enough power to run torrent service for seeding linux iso's.
This is really cool! I would like to see this running a server!
Why do most chinese desktop motherboards come with what looks like an Ethernet transformer?
Would be interesting to see these tested for nas use. Im considering the new 13900hx Board they offer, but got burnt trying the minisforum AR900i, could not get any nvme2sata Adapter working. So i dont know if I should buy this off aliexpress with Zero support...
i LOVE these types of things - as you say, making whatd otherwise be e-waste into something ANYTHING useful...hell i wish i could afford to buy four of these for my homelab - one for a NAS, one for a vm box, one for a PFsense router with a 4-port 10G card in that free x16 slow, a single 10G card in the 1X slot and another one through an adapter in the M.2 slot for 6 slots plus the original gig for mgmt would be kickass (hell 2.5G would be a step up from current for me)...i think these things are amazing - not for grandma maybe since your going to have to know what youre doing to troubleshoot, but for anyone in this scene i think its just absolute gold.....as an IT guy for a school I would LOVE to have two dozen of these to make an EdUBudgie Linux lab for my kids on the cheap!
In the modern day power efficiency still isn't given enough weight. I truly believe mobile processors, specifically AMD APUs (intel mobile graphics have gotten much better too), are powerful enough for for even gamers/ "power users". The main appeal of full desktop parts at this point are workstation users and gamers pushing resolution. 99% of people's usage these days can fit within 50w, that's pretty impressive. We're at the point where you can run a "high end desktop system" entirely on battery power.
I'm a bit curious with that little fan you have sitting on you gpu.
Crazy you still can't get a W680 board Wendell. I can get the ASrock W680 industrial board here in New Zealand as there is a single reseller with a few of them. Expensive at $700 NZD ($435 USD).
Does the BIOS on that support Resizeable BAR? Just curious as It might be a neat budget setup with an Intel ARC card whether an A380 or an an A750
Yes
There is an option to turn on ReBAR in the bios. I know ARC cards are getting better with newer drivers but at least in a place where I live, RX 6700XT is about the same price as A750 and the performance diff is just incomparable. Maybe a used 5700XT or rtx 3060 holds the best value in the budget section and anything weaker will bottleneck this overclocking board even at 1080p
Why can we have these kind of CPUs on a smaller motherboard with ECC for NAS'. I was thinking in the Jonsbo 2. The mix of low power and cores make this ideal for a NAS it's just that motherboard needs work.
I wanna see Wendell do a custom waterblock for this CPU. With cold cathode lights. PROPER old school.
HI What are the customs duties on this motherboard?
Brian from Yes City channel says the VRMs on these are a fire hazard. They are running very hot from his Flir camera. Did you test those temps on the VRMs ?.
These Motherboards are...lit.
Early versions had a very small heatsink, the later ones improved on this. But the VRMS used are not the best ones (looking at the price, its not surprise). I am using low profile flat "intel style" air coolers with these boards that blow some Air to the side of the CPU and therefore force convection over the VRMs - and that runs fine. Using a Tower cooler or Water block with no airflow over the VRMs, the VRMs are on fire, yes :) If one does not want to overclock the hell out of this board, a small blower type cooler is totally fine, I use one with a copper peace inside the aluminium, rated for 95 Watts, which works fine as an encoding station (AVX512 - yeah..)
They're now making these boards with 13th gen. Intel chips, up to a Core i9-13980hx... With 2x PCI-E x16 slots and 3 M.2 slots and even a 2.5G LAN and WiFi (or at least an option for it).
Not sure if the BIOS has improved though, likely not.
There's a couple variants of this board ranging from i5 to i9 plus the 8-core Xeon (no idea if ecc works on it) that mostly seem to have ES counterparts that are way cheaper. Not sure on intel's opinion of this whole thing given they got 12th gen chips for their new boards from somewhere after selling the 11th gen one for a while so it's not like they're trying that hard to prevent this, more concerning is the drivers and such since one of them has malware in it iirc (easily removable if you're expecting it but annoying).
New ERYING boards have heatsings preinstalled so board temps are a bit better but still saw one dude complaining about the temps. I want cpu for emulating ps3 and switch games so that's kinda disappointing because i would need stable high clocks to achieve stable 60fps. But why i am complaining i can't emulate anything at 60fps with my i7 7700k i def need an upgrade maybe just maybe i should buy one from them.
reminds me of a time way back when i got a bare bones kit and there was a laptop cpu in the box for it slow until i took off all the metal standoffs but one by the io shield it screamed fast then
Am i just lucky ocing my 32 gb kit of 3200 to 3600 on a B550 board and a 5900X? I loosened the timings of course.
Dual rank also of course.
How is that even legal for them to lock a CPU like that after the fact.
I think it's a "feature" of the chip lol
@@christopherjackson2157 So if you had a car and they shipped all of them with the wrong spec so they all had a CD player ford should be able to come around to your house break into your car and remove the CD player ?
@@andljoy no of course not. Remember intels customers are oem's, not consumers, and oem's absolutely see certain anti consumer behaviours as features.
From a legal standpoint intels gonna be pretty safe here because they will argue that the net effect of bios and microcode updates are positive (debatable but they will argue it) and because the consumer has the option to not accept the update (again debatable)
Wonder if this will still work in 6 months at the moment
The biggest challenge is having a chip with a base clock of about 2.0 GHz and boost of about 4.6 GHz. That's a pretty steel fan curve for cooler makers and on top of that you have the weird copper plate to deal with. The problem is not so much temps for me, its fan noise.
For comparison sake, would this be on par with a Ryzen 2600X or 3600X?
3700x apparently
As someone who shoved it a small custom plywood case with poor ventalation. Leaving it at stock setting is perfect for a spare pc for friends to come over and use.
Please post your bios settings for increased stability
Wendell, you gave me confidence in buying this, i hope you know what you did.
dont forget the skylake locked cpus. people found out they could bclk overclock locked skylake cpus, and intel pushed a microcode update to stop that. in this case, i doubt that intel will push a microcode update to stop some rando board on aliexpress from hitting 100W, but you never know.
always love seeing these raw die intel mobile CPUs being frankensteined into desktop boards.
Bought one of these back in December last year. ES "11900K". Been working great as a daily driver desktop.
Can you try running gpt4all on it?
Love the board but I'm concerned that the board firmware could be backdoored.
I'd like to see it be checked by someone.
Hmm no longer available on Ali?
does something like this for AMD exist?
I ordered the Erying 12900HK I can't wait to get it 🙌 I think I'll pair it with either a 3060 or 3060ti I want to benchmark this thing!
How is it?
The ones with 13500H is sold at $180 in my country
Hmm this might be a good trade-off for low impact workflows that uses cloud computing. Low power and low heat. Curious if a manufacturer will release something with these parts.
Intel no wants this 😂
There where mobile CPU in desktop boards before... Still Intel will fuu this as hard possible
its gud for rendering and gaming right 🤔
Wonder how this would work for a home server
Craft Computing has a couple videos featuring this board in his home lab. Seems to work fine for his use case.
Hi Wendell can you help me please? Which is better optane or new SAS-3 and SAS-4?
SAS ssd in 2023 is so expensive even it is ssd i mean the only difference is the interface hope you can find time to reply to me 🤞
Anyone got BIOS newer than 5.19? Better than stock but still kinda finicky. You got to set RAM to 2666 so it runs 2400, no katter what voltage you specify multimeter always shows 1.25v on dram, chipset reports 101*C temps and 95*C on aux which I have zero idea where sensor is. Some sanitary help would be appreciated. Seem rock solid tho, imma put my RTX4080 in for shit and giggles when it arrives.
how did it go? I have the 11800H ES version coming soon and I don't know what to expect
Jeff on Craft Computing mentioned VT-d isn't actually working on this one meaning no GPU passthrough that makes it somewhat less appealing for home server use.
Im using the itx 12700h with a rtx 3070.
Its a blast, tks erying
I've been wondering why nobody does this for years now. I'd love to have a 13700hx based desktop with a discreet GPU for my main rig. The performance per Watt would be nuts
@candyman would it really be much more expensive. Plus with water-cooling you could push a surprising amount of power through those things
@@ul6sd oh I get it, but I'd argue that the market for these things is much larger than you might expect
@@myonen4402 It was a thing. Asrock was known to have a lot low power itx boards with soldered SoCs from laptop series. I don't know why this disappeared, probably the market went on Nuc and other miniPCs instead, which is a shame.
If this was itx it would be awesome in something like a fractal Terra with a beefy gpu. But complexity and cost would probably be the limiting factors.
There is an itx version.
@@beyshadow sweet! I may have to look into that
Can I remove the cpu proseccer from this motherboard? Then put it on another motherboard
No, as he says in the video, it's soldered to the motherboard (not removable).
So where do I drill the holes in the motherboard to fit this ATX-ish case?
Nowhere. ITX uses existing ATX mounting holes, but only northwestern four of them.
You shouldn't need any additional holes. If anything you may need to move some of the stand-offs in your case to align with the micro-atx standard layout. Just make sure you count the standoffs under the board so you don't accidentally leave one brushing against the back of the board where there's no hole.
Apparently some people either haven't been around the tech tube scene long enough or just don't recall the JayzTwoCents video where he drilled new mounting holes in an X99 board.
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@@cracklingice Dang I ain't seen that one and I still knew jay was incompetent
Even with AM4 motherboard prices weirdly high I think I'd still rather go with a brand new Ryzen 4500/5500/4600G and mobo for less.
R5 5600 is 100$ on Ali, used b450 mobos are not very expensive. This board makes no sense at 160+$ tbh.
this is 8 cores though and has AVX-512 if that is even useful to anyone.
@@bhume7535Apparently Xbox 360 and PS3 emulation is highly dependant on AVX 512 if you're into that
im building a system with the 11800H version and an RTX 2080 Super and i spent about 500 bucks all in
A mobile GPU in a desktop would also be very interesting. 4090m wouldn't require me to have a power plant next to my PC. Is there a way to do that? With proper cooling?
I mean you can drop power on 4090 quite a bit without any noticeable performance impact. If you sacrifice 20% performance, or however far these mobile variants are lagging behind you could get very reasonable power draw too. Gotta remember that current generation of GPU is cranked to the limits with very little/no room left for improvement out of the box.
@@Micromation Thanks a lot. The fascinating thing about the mobile variants is efficiency though. They have a lot of performance per watt. And I'd love to know the temperature of a mobile GPU connected to a desktop water loop with a 360 radiator.
@@lordemperorwu1 might have problems sourcing water blocks for that kind of experiment. It's bad enough with mainstream AIBs, let alone such exotic specimen as mobile GPU Frankensteined into a desktop
@@lordemperorwu1The thing is Ada Lovelace is actually exceptionally efficient on desktop too, it's just that the 4090 has what is effectively an obscene factory overclock on it pushing it far outside of its efficient operation window for only a small amount of extra performance. You would probably get the same experience by slightly undervolting a 4080 desktop as you would using a 4090m, which is likely just a slightly better binned 4080 die anyway (it has the same specs).
Thanks a lot guys.
I believe they have 12th gen versions now; ITX with 3 m.2 slots.
They have , but it have a lot of issues , ram can be used only in gear down mode 2 with less then 3000mhz, pcie slot have only 8lines (not 16) gen4.
And it throttled all the time.
The performing is worse than 11gen .
3:45
Seriously. This thing outperforms my 3950X in some gaming workloads, wtf!!!
My Erying i7 ES 2.2 GHz board suddenly will not post after 11 months of ownership. It was only used for gaming and productivity with the stock bios, stock clock speeds, etc. I have tried all troubleshooting steps and Erying refuses to honor their stated warranty on this motherboard. Buyer beware!
the cpu processor doen't bother anything above 2933 for ram speed
I am running 3200 on them, directly from Erying . In my observations, the board does not like RAM that is only able to go up to 3200 with XMP profiles - the "original" Erying has no XMP whatsoever... So cheap, regular sticks that are able to run on 3200 without voltage or timing tricks worked well in my cases.
Never underestimate Intel's ability AND willingness to live down to every vile underhanded sleazy despicable corporate stereotype out there. Good on Eryring for finding something useful and profitable to do with what would otherwise be literal e-waste.
vt-d supported?
Yes and no. Some people (myself included) had no issues getting all of the virtualization stuff working, and others had no success. Could be a gamble if your use case demands virtualization
Why would one use a mobile cpu on a desktop? Pcie lanes are a big downside - provably the reason why you want to use a desktop in the first place.. if you are concerned about power consumption desktop cpus nearly all are able to be undervolted
Simple answer, its because of the value. This board can be found just at ~$126 on taobao. With it overclocked, it still uses less watt than desktop counterparts even undervolted while giving a good enough performance to pair with a 3060 Ti without bottleneck. In some videos I saw, it beats 3700X which costs $220 with am4 mobo used. Yes, the quality and reliability may be a good reason to avoid these chinese mobos but its a tradeoff you should expect at the price you're getting.
Was going to build a libvfio testbench with weird motherboard likes this one but it's itx and got 3 m.2 slot with 12700H onboard and standalone pcie slot(pcie4.0 8x) . But wondering the SR-IOV working or not
AFIK coreboot should be available for gen 12 mobile CPUs. To solve most of the bios issues (probably not the GPU).
What's wrong with the GPU? I have one of these erying with an i7 12700h and the igpu works correctly under Linux, does it have problems with Windows?
@@Cinghia117windows tries to install newer driver versions, which bricks the install
Do they have support for bifurcation in bios? 😛
It only has 8 lanes coming from the cpu for the gpu in the first place. So doubt you are getting far with bifurcation if it even did exist haha.
@@rRefuseToSelfCensor Bah! I was hoping to split that x16 into raid cards or something 🙂
@@rRefuseToSelfCensor 16 lanes
@@rRefuseToSelfCensor this one has 16. the 12th gen version has 8
@@rRefuseToSelfCensor no, my intel ARc and the 3060 perfectly connect as GEN 4 with 16 Lanes on the PCIe Slot.
A little while back, Wendell mentioned getting an LG Television used as a monitor to "wake" from sleep. I am trying to find that video reference, if any one can help my memory I'd appreciate it.
An F U microcode update specifically for this Processor haha
Just don't put it next to anything sensitive to EMI.
Watching this on my Erying board.
What I would definitely like to see are the new AMD 7000 series laptop CPUs with Radeon 780M graphics come to desktop AM5 system. That would be Instant replacement for my Asrock AM4 X570D4U MB / 5700G on my home server. For me, This server also acts as a gaming system for my mobile phone / Backbone One handheld system via Steam Link streaming. Even the older 6900HX with 680M for AM4 motherboards would be a stunning performance increase without the power requirements.
The 5700g is already very efficient and powerful mate, why would you want to replace it ASAP?
@@zenith251 5700G is anything but powerful at this point in time. My 6800U based laptop CRUSHES it at mere 35W TDP.
I've tried Steam-Link but it's just awful performance and stream quality in my experience compared to Sunshine/Moonlight or even Parsec...
TL;DW Build your own Frankenstein monster system.
I know this question would be for the forum, but...how does it work with Linux distros? If we're talking cheap e-waste gaming rig...why pay for Windows to spy on you? Will this (or other Erying boards) be a working base for a STEAM OS machine?
Nevermind, I will take the plunge myself. Be a good project for myself.
8008 Ti+s UP!
😏🤣🤣🤣
Just a funny GPU name that sounds like a Zotac Nvidia card!
Tech YES City claimed to stay away from the board due to the excess heat of the VRMs -- may not be great long-term solution board, but hard-to-beat pricing.
Solution. Spend 5 bucks on after market heatsinks. Problem solved. Plus a nice tower cooler will blow some incidental air over the cooler. Also since its not gonna draw more than ~100 watts you can get a high end downdraft cooler which will also keep vrm cool. Best solution Is still to buy something like m.2 heatsinks and modify them/ stick them on with either sticky thermal pads, or thermal tape if you are feeling lazy.
@@rRefuseToSelfCensor Good idea!
Minisforum mini pc are a better deal imo
I believe he tested a different system (CPU), but I also believe some (all?) of these Erying boards ship with optional heatsinks to pad the VRMs and should help immensely. Furthermore, unless they're hitting over 80C all the time, there's little to worry about. Ideally though, you want to be running these chips at 65-90W and not 100W+ constantly, and that should be more than OK with even the worst of power delivery system to the CPU. And of course, make sure to use this in a well-ventilated case. My advice is downward-firing coolers on the aforementioned 65-90W range, such as stock Intel, as they will naturally cool VRMs and also be more than enough for the CPU (if a bit noisy).
He did take issue with it. Craft computing disagreed about the thermals given that allegedly the limits of the mosfets are well above what the board was hitting (100c instead of 80c iirc)
For a while, I had the most performant Intel gaming CPU.
It was a *Core M* ( _or something like that_ ) which you had to use a socket adaptor to fit to the motherboard. But it was fucking awesome!
The microcode issue, this is why we use Linux.
Why. Why once in a month somebody pulls this piece of junk out. The price of this Chinese evil basement genius creation tells that it born to die.
Liquid metal the cpu and watercool it. It will never throttle.
I want to see more boards like this, but from vendors we know, and amd and intel need to be supporting mobile embedded desktops. Especially with super low power higher end chips that can be cooled passively in a desktop environment.
Interesting.
The operative question is... Why?
I would be surprised if a forced microcode update to disable features wasnt possible. Especially if ur running win11.
It doesnt feel to me like in this scenario this processor is competing with any current intel products. I dont think they would be terribly motivated to do that. But i could be wrong about that. And intel is notorious for acting against its own interest. (Generally for reasons related to internal corporate politics it seems)
That's because it isn't even attempting to compete with current gen.
Intel has / had their hands in alot of cookie jars, Gelsinger is taking his hand out, which takes time to wind stuff down fully.
Yea I agree about it not competing with current gen.
But Id have a lot more faith in Intel's future if I was seeing business units spun out and sold off. We'll know soon enough I guess
P12 Max!
What makes you more salty? What Intel does or when you hear the name Alec Peters?
I wouldn't trust a product like this since it's from a fly-by-night Chinese company maybe dump the BIOS and examine it
Cool
Just to be clear after personal experience. The motherboards are total Junk with unsupported BIOS that may or may not work with your DDR5. If you ever want to return that piece of junk via alliexpress customer service you practically CANNOT. You have been warned
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Good and cheap, but a china-kludge. Ideal for an emulator box