Like, the "real concerns" she claims that drive these claims is things like people accidentally locking their cat in their basement and making a racist Facebook post about her intent neighbours eating them
Yeah, she keeps trying to dress up her rhetoric in pseudo-intellectual terms. But, what it ultimately boils down to is xenophobia. I think reasonable people can agree that there should be restrictions on immigration but, the main reason it is such a rallying cry on the right is that these particular people see immigrants in their communities and fear them because of an innate aversion to people who are different from them. I think some of this aversion is kind of human but, instead of reflecting and then exposing yourself to different cultures so you can feel comfortable with them, these people allow the fear to drive them. Or some people just outright dislike certain groups of people. Then, because we exist in two different information silos, people will listen to sources of information that back up their initial instincts and that is where they hear a lot of these talking points from republicans that are just lies. In addition, I think you can critique the methods that are being used to screen people coming into the country but, republicans in general that I encounter aren’t even aware of what is actually being done to screen immigrants or what the process of the law is or how “illegal” immigrants actually come into the country. Which is overstaying their visas. They just repeat extreme lies about what is actually happening on immigration. For instance, someone told me that the democrats support open borders. Which is just fundamentally not true. I think the republicans are “pulling their hair out” and spewing insane rhetoric because they know the reality of immigration is much more nuanced and there are many positives to immigration that undercut their arguments. But cultural conservatives want to stop immigration regardless of the negative impacts to keep the country’s culture more culturally conservative - meaning Christian (and for some people also white). So they make up fear mongering arguments against immigrants to drive that narrative. Or, they claim it’s an economic issue and saying immigrants are stealing their jobs or driving wages down. This again is not reflected in the data. This keeps the focus off of the business community who are getting more and more profits without allowing for substantial increases in wages for their workers.
Exactly, this section was infuriating. Ezra danced around too much in his response instead directly challenging the premise that a certain percentage of the population had a frustration "rooted in something real" about not getting mainstream support for their immigration fears - because when these fears are investigated, they do not reflect reality 99% of the time. Immigrants commit crimes at a significantly lower percentage than natural born citizens, and generate more productivity and economic growth for that community, as in the case of Springfield. Fox news has stoked this anti-immigrant sentiment for decades - would be interesting to see an analysis of anti-immigration sentiment in this country tracked against their anti immigration news segments over time. This misinformation may be one of the main sources of this "real" frustration.
Maybe I'm being unfair, but she really sounds like she's trying to put a charming face on horrible ideas. She does come off well if you're not paying close attention. But something about the affability and deference seems just a little over acted. She concedes every point when challenged, throws all the surface level stuff under the bus as she goes with this "wow my side is crazy" shtick. It feels designed to win over liberals who just wish Republicans could be normal (even if their policies remain awful). But as someone else pointed out, the point she's ultimately defending just seems to be racism.
It's cognitive dissonance. Her core beliefs are grounded in feelings. That's where her answer goes to when pushed, the feelings of those on the right. But that belief is in conflict with her other belief that you shouldn't be a bad person. She bought the Kool aid they teach in conservative school unlike most who just use the virtues as a way to subjugate people they don't like. There's a pretty good chance someone like her will eventually see the right movement for what it is and possibly have a change of heart.
You’re not being unfair. That is exactly how I read her, and I wonder why Ezra didn’t just put the question of racism out there. I’m sure he could have done so in a deft, non-accusatory way.
I like how she dances around giving an answer for what the "real concerns" are about immigration. It's almost like she's embarrassed to actually say what it is.
I'm a progressive leftie, but I don't think that the right's concerns about immigration are 100% about racism/xenophobia. The Springfield cats/dogs thing is racist bullshit, but it's undeniably true that large influxes of immigrants can create friction because they come from cultures with very different values. Local public schools often don't have the resources to educate large influxes of students who don't speak English. The solution obviously isn't to deport them all or put razor wire in the Rio Grande, but Democrats are really playing into the coastal elite image if they continue to say that immigration sentiment is just driven by racism.
I'm generally quite a cosmopolitan globalist who believes in more open borders. But there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that there are also downsides to immigration. It can undercut the wages of working-class people. It can put pressure on housing, infrastructure, and public services. It can increase social tensions. It can make organized crime more difficult to police. And it can be a national security threat. Acknowledging these risks allows us to maximize the positives of immigration and ameliorate the negatives. Many progressives seem to think it's helpful to deny them and accuse all skeptics of racism. I think that denialism and demonization just fuels the far-right.
Every time you have a conservative on, Ezra, I come away, hearing they either have no particular vision for America. But the feeling I get is that they have a very strong vision but are just not articulating it on your show. Maybe that’s because it doesn’t stand up to intellectual scrutiny.
That's partly because conservative intellectuals have largely disappeared. The ideas of people like Stan Evans, Richard Brookheiser and David Brooks have been superceded by the vacuous musing of school dropouts like Sean Hannity, Charlie Kirk, Tim Poole and other internet performance artists.
They have no vision for America. They just think something went wrong somewhere. They are stuck trying to go back to the past or "conserve" things. I mean it's their ethos: Make America Great AGAIN.
If they do have a vision, it's something akin to The Handmaids tale. Which is part of the reason they've started banning the book. They simply can't talk about their vision because it's politically toxic (which is why Trump runs away from Prohect 2025)
She has a vision, it’s Gilead but she tries to wrap it this fun loving young persons package. She’s a hard evangelical Christian but again she wants to present a fan friendly version. She’d ban gay marriage while complaining about government overreach.
When she said that I was really ready to listen to it again and give it a charitable interpretation. It didn’t land any differently, because there is no other way to interpret it.
I think in context it's clear he's not admitting to fabricating tales. By "create stories" he almost certainly meant "build narratives" or "report on stories that the main stream media are ignoring".
@@rex-c6v Like "Make America great again"? You may want to read about how Roger Ailes told Nixon to speak to right wing Americans. He basically explained that they are very stupid and need easily digestible slogans. Why do right wingers always project?
I watched this to get an understanding of the elusive intellectual basis for modern American conservatism, but my takeaway is that there's not much substance to it at all.
@Raterme1on416 it's an ethos that's so empty it has to be filled to the brim with centuries-old failed ideas- think the demonizing of immigrants as was done to the Italians and Irish, the scapegoating of blacks, the infantilizing and control of women and the concern-trolling about protecting children to justify the attacking of gays.
@@Raterme1on416 I’m not sure why you took away so little from this. I disagree with most of what the “New Right” stand for. But I find them interesting, and thought this was quite an enlightening conversation.
A lot to unpack here, and a lot I disagree with. One takeaway is how she talked about the right's emphasis on virtue primarily as getting married, having kids, working, etc. Nothing is said about treating other human beings with respect. As a Christian, I believe a few simple things about "virtue". Firstly, we are called to love God and love our neighbor. Apart from that, I would go to the description of the fruit of the Holy Spirit which includes Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness. If the so called "Christian Conservatives" focused on these virtues, we'd all be in a much better place.
There are different approaches to Christianity. One is to focus on thankfulness and being kind, and this overlaps with supporting the poor (and immigrants and refugees). The other is a kind of puritanical showiness, a checklist of sexual rules, culture-war gestures, etc. That's what the new religious right is doing. It also relates to Iian McGilchrist's theories on the left brain's and right brain's attitudes: puritanical absolutism is an example of left-brain hubris run amok.
"You should let in more refugees because Jesus said be compassionate in the Bible somewhere. No I'm not a Christian, and I have nothing but contempt for your backwards beliefs, so no this argument wouldn't work on me, but maybe if I use it on you, you'll do what I want."
I would venture to say that conservative Christians have no virtuous qualities. I don't see any of them displaying any fruits of the spirit. The Right has done some very cruel things to the American citizens.
We’re blaming this on kids on tech? “We’ve let them get bad” WTF?!?! The US allows corporations to own America. So the right want to put the responsibility on us to be virtuous, but let the money flow!?!?! I’m finding her supposed virtue very lacking. Her whole immigration story is mental gymnastics! Not to mention this harkening to another time, where she wouldn’t have rights to speak her mind. 🤦🏽♀️
It was hard to take seriously when she started saying how there's some deep rooted thing in people watching 00's high school vids. I did the same things with 80's and 90's high school footage and I'd never have wanted to go back to living like they did.
Well, the kids on tech from earlier years ARE influencing and shaping today’s politics. Like Musk and Thule in the far right, Bill Gates on the left. All kids in sheds with tech
Such a disappointing interview. I hoped to learn something that disabused my pre-conceived notions about the new right, or at least brought some nuance to the discussion, but subject couldn’t elucidate that at all, and Ezra just let it slide. Another waste of time.
"Gen Z kids are spam watching camcorder footage of high schools pining for the days of yore" To be clear, she's talking about 1 specific ~10 minute video that gets posted on reddit about every 3 months and pretending she can psychoanalyze an entire generation from that fact. Really hard hitting journalism, Ezra.
Emily Jashinsky is my age. She should remember that the DREAM Act had wide bipartisan appeal in 2007, but was blocked by fillibuster. DACA was an executive implementation of the nascent DREAM Act, and the Republican blowback was about executive overreach, not primarily immigration or unfairness. I don't think she's wrong on purpose. She's wrong, though, and her grievance has no roots. Donald Trump seized upon immigration for simpler reasons than a perceived influx of migrants. He did it because right-wing populism has always seized upon racism as a tool. She's putting lipstick on a pig.
@@miramichi30 did BLM attack the US Capitol or disrupt a federal election? Did Harris even say she supports BLM? 🤔 Might want to rethink that one champ.
@@onedroprule They did worse. They attacked a Federal building, destroyed a police station, caused billions in damage, and many deaths. Kamala Harris was getting the rioters bailed out of jail.
@@miramichi30Obviously what you don't seem to wan't to understand is that this so called "democratic" country has rioted against Black and Indigenous peoples from the time of this white supremacist nation settler state's beginning.
An apologist for the odious right. She tries to put a pleasant face on cruel and unthinking policies that egregiously effect millions of lives.. She doesn't fool anyone.
This is a helpful interview, but Klein is spending time on a policy (Project 2025) that polls at 4%. Labor unions have more support than that and they are invisible to the NYT.
The message I get from the mainstream right is “if we have to tell people that immigrants are eating their pets to convince them that they’re murderers and rapists, we’ll do it.” The message I get from Emily is “No, that’s unethical. We just have to keep telling people that they’re murders and rapists.”
They are over represented among murderers and rapists though. That's to say nothing of the cartel infiltration that goes along with illegal immigration.
@@ineedya123 No, the Local said the eating pets story was a lie, stop, just stop, you are putting innocent children's lives at risk. Cops had to escort kindergarteners to school. Just STOP LYING.
@@ineedya123locals have literally said the opposite. Over and over. Begging people to stop because EVERYONE in Springfield is suffering bc of selfish actions taken by the Republican party as a whole.
I appreciate that she argues from a place of good faith on issues like the negative effects of smartphone use and porn/sex work re: minors. I think there's a lot of ground to share between the Right and the Left on taking better care of the mental health of young people, whether the cause be social media addiction or body dysmorphia. But the defenses of the dogmatic transphobia and white conservatives forcing schools to teach racist, revisionist history are so tenuous and bias-based that they're nonstarters. Just completely dead on arrival at a policy level. "Protecting" kids from empirical, history-based civics education and the real-world, anthropologically well-understood identities of LGBTQ+ people -- these are no longer conversations a vast majority of Americans are willing to have anymore. America was founded on a political science that permitted and even promoted enslavement of African peoples, and LGBTQ+ people are real and not going anywhere. If we want to help the kids, let's focus on lifting them out of the addictions that corporations reap tremendous profit from, and preparing them for a world defined by navigating disagreement and conflict.
The problem is she immediately transitions to talking about and conflating that issue with abortion in arguing about the dangers of sudden-onset modernity. She's stringing together so many points in her responses, ducking others, and agreeing without actually agreeing that she's impossible to have serious discourse with. She's the least serious, serious talking head I've ever heard from and that's saying something.
Trump opposes a national abortion ban, to the ire and objectively to the left of the typical Republican. Stop fear-mongering and monopolizing people’s thoughts.
The political party doesn't. A radical subset of the political party does. Most GOP Republicans are pretty socially moderate. They don't necessarily care about the LGBT community or restricting women's rights, they just care about corporate tax cuts and cutting regulations, they're just Capitalists. it's the MAGA Republicans who are the social fascists. They're the one's who want to restrict women's rights and criminalize LGBT people. They're the ones who want the government to round up and deporting all "illegal" humans in the country. The GOP Republicans were just greedy warmongering capitalists, the MAGA Republicans are the ones who want to restrict personal freedoms.
@@jillfeatherman5523 Not at all. When one supports a party that goes rogue and wants to overthrow our system of government for the rule of gangster, what's there to talk about?
Hard to take some of her points seriously. Heres an example. The whole "They have to talk about immigration in outrageous terms to be listened to" at around the 29 min mark is a new argument from the right in this issue. They have been accused of racism and xenophobia in this area for years and ALWAYS counter that they are just anti *illegal* immigration. Now... those Haitians in Springfield were all there legally and got smeared and lied about. What issue are they complaining about? It's hard to avoid the conclusion that they simply dont want black people showing up.
@@BiggusDiggusable yeah, and Ezra made this point. He said something like you're making up outlandish lies allegedly to dramatize the real issues, but there aren't any real issues just more reprehensible policies you don't want to admit out loud. So it's lies almost all the way down but of course at the bottom it's just racism.
Yeah but you could tell that she didn't mean that she liked it. She's just telling it how it is. More calculating, ruthless people would have never made that as clear as she did.
Interesting. I’ve always supported DACA recipients. I don’t feel they’re cutting in line. They were born here or brought here as young children. They went to school here, speak English, played sports with their friends. They don’t know the country from which their parents brought them. They are Americans whether or not they have citizenship.
Fully agreed. I was graduating high cool when DACA began. Several of my peers were unaware they were not citizens until we were applying for college. That program helped them continue to be at home.
Yes, except that we have a Congress that makes law, and the Congress hasn't passed a law that codified this. So Obama doing this by executive action undermines the rule of law. I agree that it is good policy, but this isn't the right way to govern, and it also makes people more likely to disregard the rule of law when the opposite party is in power. Obama had Presidency and both houses of Congress from 2008-2010 and he did not make this a priority. In the 80s Reagan and Tip O'Neill came together with bipartisan immigration reform. That is what we need today, people from both parties working together. And this will take a little bit of compromise on both sides.
@@kevinwoolley7960To be fair, Reagan/O’Neill were before Newt instructed all Republicans to refer to all Democrats as scum and traitors and before Mitch was in a leadership position in the Senate. Compromise was not much of a thing by 2008. And Obama had prioritized addressing the problems of healthcare access and affordability with the now-popular ACA in 2008-2010.
They weren't born here. They were brought into the country illegally and there are laws passed by congress about that. It shouldn't be legal to reverse that with an executive order. Also, the law requires that people are detained until they have their asylum hearing, but somehow that is just ignored by this administration.
Her "too far" argument or claim is a handy rhetorical trick without substance. If a thing is "too far" or "too much" it is true by definition. She lets the listener decide. Unfortunately, Ezra doesn't push her.
I grew up in a small southern town that offered very little educational foundations for career opportunities. Part of the answer is making education leading to more successful possibilities. Property taxes as a foundation is not working in small southern towns.
Very interesting piece. As a 66 year old #Never(EVER!)Trump'er who's been paying close attention to the election, I was dismayed to have never heard of many of these under currents in the MAGA movement (I'm too old, most likely). These various forces in the intellectual MAGA arena all seem to share the same problem as the Social Justice movement in the Progressive wing of the Democratic party has had, namely very theoretical modeling of how the US/world SHOULD be with very but with little real world testing of the implications and unintended consequences of these utopian models (the SJ movement is further along the testing path then any of these new right intellectual models) but what the new right models share is a deep distrust but the much more small "c" conservative moderate forces in the general public who hasn't bought into these utopian models and simply don't think they will work, no matter how well intended. The advantage to the public of the SJ experiments is, if in fact the theories are flawed, they get voted out of power has happened to some degree in California in general and San Francisco in particular and the more nuanced and updated experiment continues. What is so toxic about the proposals from the new right outlined here is the internal conviction of being correct/right (the 2025 proposal is only supported by 5% of voters) when combined with the willingness to tear down our most fundamental small "d" democratic principle of free and fair elections. I fear and oppose many of the positions outlined by the new right but allowing the zealots, basking in their own certitude of knowing what's best for the nation and support Trump's attempts to subvert the election process (in his case simply to stay out of prison) will lead to a deeply unpopular (hated even) regime that simply refuses to bow to the ignorant will of the masses and step aside when voted out of power or to even risk such elections. Trump has an odd fascination with Venezuela and delusionally talks of how much safer the streets of Caracas are then our cities. If Trump takes over, all I see is a failed state with anti-democratic authoritarian mish mash of legal and economic policies that will lead to a Venezuelan style failed state with no means of returning to a better path. Venezuela is being pressured by its neighbors, the US, and the international world order and still it resists internal democratic pressures. If the US has such a collapse, I can't see any amount of effective external pressure that can be brought to bear on Trump or his successor be it JD Vance, Josh Hawley, Stephen Miller, or some project 2025 zealot. The undermining of the Republican party is complete. The undermining of our election mechanics is already underway in 2024. If Trump is elected, I don't see it surviving until 2026 much less 2028. Neither he nor the new right will tolerate it. As a former Republican, this is crystal clear to me. It's profoundly disturbing how many Democrats and "I can't possibly vote for a Democrat" old school Republicans, while intensely disliking Trump, don't seem to fully grasp the situation.
It’s so much more frustrating to hear a person who considers themselves and their movements to be rooted in good faith ideology, than the typical frothing lunatic who espouses the same ideology
He wasn't wrong about the end part. About the institutions. That's what happens over the last couple decades. This is the last grasp of the culture war they have been losing. That's why they have been lashing out.
@@vinista256 Yeah its funny they complain about the crime rates now. Do they remember the street wars of the 80's at all? Violent crime was factors higher than today
She's a paid gaslighter. Get rid of money and religion in government so we can go back to a government that works for the people. Corporations aren't people. We aren't workers. We are citizens of a country that should be protecting us and investing in us.
She is close to Megyn Kelly and hang out in Northern Virginia. She is trying to stay in business. Because if anybody hear her real voice, she will be cancel. She’s like “ I’m intellectual, traditional. No no ,.. you’re alt right hater
I think lying us into a war for the control of natural resources in Ukraine is the definition of neoliberalism. I’m sure you know that Crimea is the second largest oil reserves in Europe and Donbas region has the third largest. Why else would we be there?
Neoliberalism completely took over American politics *only after* the Democratic party, totally abandoned labor, post Reagan, solidified with Clinton, uninterrupted through Obama. Biden somewhat disrupting it. Kamala a neolib who will either revert to Obama neolib crap or resume some of Biden's semi progressive policies, at best.
@@ChrisMissal What is your defense of her? She's intelligent and articulate, but intellectually dishonest. Who cares if we talk to each other at home like this, but when you are on an international stage with a megaphone like the NY Times, playing with these concepts in a dishonest way is dangerous "creepy". I think this is what Pathos is referring to.
@@TranslucentStudiosWas it intellectually dishonest to play the clipped sound bite of JD Vance speaking to Dana Bash immediately after Emily noted that his comments in that interview were clipped? Like.. Ezra/NYT is doing exactly what Emily had just criticized. Unreal.
True, but she managed to dodge the questions and still remain unctuous. And her laugh is so disarming. Moreover, "Bar Stool Conservatism" sounds so innocuous. My gripe is that the interviewer let her get away with it.
Bar Stool Conservatism: Nelk Boys, Bryce Hall, Jake Paul, Adin Ross, Theo Von, Dave Portnoy, Lex Fridman, Jordan Peterson, FaZe Banks, and Elon Musk. Basic anti-SJW talking points. Further to the right is National Conservativism which Emily Mashinsky represents: Yoram Hazony, Adrian Vermeule, Sohrab Ahmari, Patrick Deneen, Oren Cass, Josh Hammer, Gladden Pippin, and Rod Dreher. Five of the last 8 names are either Catholic or Orthodox. Many right-wingers are becoming religious for political reasons, like JD Vance. Further to the right: Curtis Yarvin and Costin Alamariu. Yarvin has advocated for Trump to declare himself a monarch. Further to the right: K31th W00ds and N1ck Fu3nt3s. Democrats should promote Andrew Yang as a counterforce to the New Right.
@@snowballeffect7812 Yes. Look at how popular Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles are. They're two Millennials intellectuals. Noam Chomsky, David Graeber, and Naomi Klein defined the Occupy Wall Street Bernie Sander flavor of late 2010s Leftism. Unfortunately most leftists people encounter online are Hasan, Vaush, and Destiny.
@@aesop1451 walsh is a dunce and I think you're over estimating his influence. Knowles is a non-factor. Yang's policies are popular but infeasible; it's just "repeal obamacare" with very little long-term plan. Klein, Chomsky and Graeber's work are practically evergreen. You lament the popularity of the online left, but the most popular of them, hasan, regularly cites all three to some degree. Yang is far closer to walsh than graeber. No offense to Yang, but the left wing of the US should actually move left instead of being incompetent and divided trying to pass half-measures.
You do realize that the left wore out the racism thing a while ago? Outside of hyper progressive bubbles people tend to just roll their eyes at accusations of racism by this point.
I listened to that entire pod and I have no idea what that woman or the new right stand for. They go around in circles and never get to anything of substance other than opposition to the present. How can anyone seriously think these people can govern the world’s leading democracy.
@@miramichi30 yes, and she sounds brilliant! Alright, guess who said each of these “Gettysburg, what an unbelievable battle that was. It was so much and so interesting and so vicious and horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways, it represented such a big portion of the success of this country. Gettysburg, wow. I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, to look and to watch. And, uh, the statement of Robert E. Lee, who’s no longer in favor, did you ever notice that? He’s no longer in favor. ‘Never fight uphill, me boys, never fight uphill.’ They were fighting uphill. He said, ‘Wow, that was a big mistake.’ He lost his great general. And they were fighting. ‘Never fight uphill, me boys!’ But it was too late.” "I was standing on a ladder outside the Homestead juvenile immigrant detention center outside Miami, looking over the fence, and I saw children lined up like prisoners. They had been separated from their families and put in this private detention facility. It was horrible." "“If you go to Fusion, you will see a story: About 80% of the women coming in, you know who owns Fusion? Univision! Go to Fusion and pick up the stories on rape. It’s unbelievable when you look at what’s going on. So all I’m doing is telling the truth...Well, somebody’s doing the raping! I mean somebody’s doing it! Who’s doing the raping? Who’s doing the raping?" 2 from 1 of them, 1 from the other, can you guess who's who?
@@karolusmagnus3992 What's your point? You cherry picked some quotes. Kamala spits out a word salad almost every time she has to speak extemporaneously. She says almost nothing specific about policy, unless it's to flip flop on something she said a few years ago, or to copy a Trump policy.
Kamala needs to go into rural areas and talk about doubling apprenticeships, cutting degree requirements union strength, housing and infrastructure. They need to craft a clear message to young working class men and go after them. They do not want the chaos of Trump either, but they need a direct pitch.
In my experience working class people could care less about really any national issues except maybe inflation. Most issues are local issues: crime, housing, education. Abortion? Nah. They generally don't like foreign intervention or aid.
Also when they say "religious freedom" they mean "religious freedom for Christians". They would never advocate for Muslims to pray on the 50 yard line of a football field or post scripture from the Quran in a classroom.
They hate Jews, they only pretend to like them as an excuse to hate Arabs. Apparently Israel's destruction is the opening act of the rapture, or some-such nonsense.
This wasn't the first time he seemed to be asleep at the wheel. Halfway through this "discussion" I remembered that I'd unsubscribed ages ago for precisely this reason. I'm glad I listened though because the comments have reassured me that I haven't lost either my comprehension or critical thinking skills. I did expery a bit of self doubt when I commented that this interview was a muffled mess, but I feel better now😂
All I hear with a comment like this is "I don't ever want to hear from people with opposing views. I just want to exist in an echo chamber of my own perspective forever". The fact is, we absolutely NEED to be able to hear the perspective of the other side and engage with it, absurd as it may be. Thank you Ezra for having conservative voices on.
@@mdhamerlyThus isnt a respectable conservative point of view. This is putting lipstick on a pig or a veneer of respecatablity on bigotted arguments, in order to remain attractove to the biggots while being accetable to the respectable. Its disgusting.
Public discourse and those who volunteer to be in it can fall on their own sword when given the safe place to express why she morally has no there, there. Don't blame the safe place for her to speak. It is essential.
At the end of the day, if you just look objectively at both of these political campaigns - I genuinely cannot comprehend how the Trump-Vance ticket could possibly win. It’s quite literally one of the worst political campaigns ever run, in countless ways, even including local, state and national elections. If Harris-Walz loses to THAT…? Then this country is truly cooked.
The democrats have been in power they now have so many wars, the economy is in the toilet and you’ve printed so much money there is a very real risk of bankruptcy…. But Trump is the problem. The world is laughing at you and is no longer afraid of you.
They're terrified that since 2011, every generation born is majority minority. They'll come of voting age for the 2030 midterms. But America always has been and will continue to be a melting pot for cultures, and nothing they can do will stop that.
Yes abortion has been around about as long as there have been babies....and it was much more dangerous then! If the choice is between Pennyroyal tea or mifespristone, go with with the latter everytime, with respects to Mr Cobain.
Is this the female version J. D. Vance? BTW, Vance did use "create" in the usual way... then when called out on it, he slimed his way out in the most patronizing way and blamed the media for "misunderstanding" him.
This is a necessary conversation but she’s a flawed messenger. I tried giving her the benefit of the doubt since we had similar politics in the early 2000s, but it’s hard. The Republican Party has changed so much and I can’t understand staying aligned with it today. Also, her incessant nervous giggling makes this almost unbearable.
Interesting that she describes virtue as having an essential element of "individual citizens being members of their community, of their society, in ways that are more meaningful than many of us see it now." Society and community, huh? I wonder what would happen if you stick an "-ism" on the end of those words lol
@@imperialmotoring3789 Why because you might have to work an extra year to get that motorhome for retirement? That's worth dragging this country through a mile of ****t so our descendants can look back at us with utter disgrace? Shame on you. 2x c19 cases were fatal than were needed because president stupid drug his feet for months before taking it seriously. You people are TRAITORS.
@bernadetteP9999 America still has many racists. But when others describe their racism, those Americans get angry. They can't see their own deep biases: racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism, anti-intellectualism, etc..
She laughs uncontrollably in the most awkward moments. Like on Oprah after the mother of a shooting victim told her story and Kamala's reaction was to cackle at how she would shoot people in her house. That's animating to you? She's a sociopath.
@@HZ-fg9sf Here's an outsider's perspective: The leftists that conservatives encounter online today are people like Hasan, Vaush, and Destiny. The 2016 Bernie Sanders Left had four primary intellectuals - Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein, Richard Wolff, and David Graeber. Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan prefigured Trump back in the late 90s and early 2000s, but he is mostly his own guy. Emily Jashinsky (the guest) represents National Conservatism: An attempt to rationalize, shape, and promote Trump's policies. The main figures are Patrick Deneen, Rod Dreher, Adrian Vermeule, Sohrab Ahmari, and Yoram Hazony. They are becoming popular with young right-wing intellectuals. My suggestion is to fuse Bernie Sanders with Andrew Yang for young left-wing intellectuals.
Have you listened to the residents of Springfield speak at length about the enormous socioeconomic problems caused by the influx of migrants there, spoken in entirely non bigoted terms? Do they not matter?
@@StraightToBlackindeed-the people of Springfield have shown themselves to be more sincere and good-hearted than the right-wing shills who CLAIM to speak for them 😏.
@@StraightToBlackAs a matter of fact I have. Are you aware that the Springfield population is more like 138,000? Not 50,000 like the media keeps reporting. The 50,000 is just the central metro area, so a town of 138,000 can in fact absorb 15,000 immigrants. Many of them are rebuilding derelict homes and of course doing the jobs they were actually invited there to do. Many of the immigrants are highly educated.
Nope. Whatever she's selling, I'm not buying. Rooted in Reality? Get real. (pun intended). Trumps campaign - from day one - has been founded, based and run on falsehoods. Always has been, forever will be. Melania the other day described Trump as funny and kind. Nope. Not buying it.
She’s not talking about these issues with any context. Why are people depending on OF because of Capitalism. Why are people immigrating to America because they are trying to secure a better economic live because capitalism has made it impossible to do that at home. (Climate change/ gang violence/ us sanctions ect.) my issue with conservatives is that they never want to talk about context they alway want to scapegoat and point fingers at less powerful people they can blame and attack.
I know a different political party who pointed fingers at a less powerful people to blame them for everything, it was quite a while ago, didn't end very well now that I think about it.
None of that is true. And people have no right to steal white peoples resources when they cant build their own infrastructure even though they have the tools and the natural resources.
MAGA is united in being disgruntled It's a bit disturbing but I can understand. The world has large problems. Finding someone to blame ( *"them"* ) is an easy route to follow.
I love that she's basically just admitting throughout this entire podcast that everything "the new right" is fixated on is lies, feelings, and aesthetics, rather than facts and policies. How refreshingly honest.
She thinks the majority of kids want to go live in the 70's? Cos they watch old cam recordings? How is this person taken seriously? Why is she on this show?
It's comical that anyone would suggest the right is trying to engage in virtue. The leader of the right-wing is the biggest dirt bag I have ever personally witnessed in my entire life. What a ridiculous attempt at kabuki theater this podcast is engaging in.
Why is Donald Trump the standard bearer? Why can’t the right find a true virtuous man or woman who really tries to exemplify virtue iin the public sphere?😢😢😢😢😢
@@Wetterisbetter514 Wasn't it the GOP under Nixon that escalated the Vietnam War by expanding a secret bombing campaign to Laos and Cambodia? Wan't it the GOP under Reagan that invaded Grenada and traded arms for money used to secretly assist a right-wing insurrection in Nicaragua? Wasn't it the GOP under GHW Bush that invaded Kuwait? Wasn't it the GOP under GW Bush that started a 20-year war in the Middle East? Democrats indeed...
I'm a Reagan Republican and I blame both the Republicans and Democrats for Trump. The left with gender dynamics and a high tolerance for illegal immigration and the right for not working on a real negotiated policy for illegal and legal immigration.The main reason we have Trump is both parties for pushing globalization and decimating our manufacturing base. Those people vote, and now, they latched on to a populist leader as their savior. All said, I still far prefer stable and poor/meh? governmental policies to emotional and often irrational leadership. Ukraine is also paramount on my list. Republicans were so effective with foreign policy during Reagan, I want that back. I haven't voted Republican since McCain and I don't see myself voting Republican for even a dog catcher until the Republicans start behaving more stable.
The New Right is not about practical problems or policies. Rather it's based more emotion, aesthetics, and an idealized idea of the past. Know what that's also a fair description of? Fascism.
Prescisely. Not falling for it. Legit, free, and fair election results are being cynically denied by this GOP. Voter suppression laws are being enacted or planned in every state, by the GOP. Poll workers and election officials are being threatened in all the swing states, by the GOP. An adjudicated rapist who wants to have democracy for lunch and end America as we know it, leads the GOP. Opinions, indeed, not serious people. Tell her to go fish.
@@arimathean4128 No it doesn't. Progressivism's focus is on the future with a view to correct injustice and expand voting opportunities. Is a social and political philosophy that promotes civil liberties 🗽, public education, democracy, individual rights, the rule of law, and free enterprise.
One thing I find very interesting when listening to interviews like this with people on the Right is that we (Leftists) actually _do agree_ on many if not most of the problems they raise. The difference is entirely in the solutions to those problems. And I find it very sad that it's so much easier for grifters to take advantage of those problems to push simplistic solutions that don't work but give them more power (the Right), versus actually taking the time to look into the root causes and try to fix them (Leftists). For example: The Right looks at Springfield and says "too many immigrants, deport all immigrants and make it harder for them to enter." Leftists look at Springfield and say "public services are underfunded for a town experiencing such sudden growth. We need to provide more funding to those public services to take care of the people of Springfield and towns like it." But the first is easier to say, easier to implement, and doesn't result in those in power needing to pay more tax to actually help the people in need. Which is why Leftists are always on the back foot, having to fight both the Liberals who say "there is no problem/there's nothing we can do about it, don't you dare do anything to disrupt the status quo" _and_ the Right who say "it's the fault of , blame them." Leftist policies actually solve these very real problems. But those solutions require a change to the power dynamics of society that those who do hold power don't want to entertain.
That depends on what you mean by "the old Right". If you mean the John Birch Society, then you are correct. If you mean Buckley and Reagan, then you are wrong.
For me, this interview confirms everything I'm concerned about in regards to American politics. This is the first time in a while that I've heard someone in politics even make an attempt to meaningfully address the contention between corporate interests and those of regular everyday people, and I'm extremely frustrated that it's coming from a Republican. I think the right has gotten really good at finding legitimate frustrations that Americans have about life in late stage capitalism, and then providing meaningless solutions centered around censorship and bigotry rather than addressing the actual root cause underneath. The biggest problem that I have right now is that the Democratic party has completely dropped the ball on a lot of these concerns, or likes to pretend that they don't exist, or is extremely patronizing about them ("the economy is actually good right now, Americans just don't know that"). As a result, the ideological right can step in and offer these ridiculous fascistic solutions to these problems because nobody else is actually taking the problems seriously enough. It's endlessly frustrating to me that the Democratic party has completely lost any ideological core and is completely incapable of really standing up to these people. All of their messaging has become bland electoralism and useless platitudes while still bowing to the whims of their corporate donors at the end of the day. We need a real ideologically leftist party in this country. As long as the right are the only ones talking about the real issues, the liberals will continue to gradually lose ground to them until we slip entirely into fascism.
I think that's a real misread of the electorate and what they want. A more leftist democratic party would just get fewer votes. The reason that Kamala has moderated on some of her 2019 positions is because that's how you maximize your chances of winning. More voters still say she is "too liberal" than say Trump is "too conservative". Attempts to expand the welfare state during the Biden admin like the expanded child tax credit weren't actually popular. People's perception of the economy is mostly based on uncontrollable factors like the global post-pandemic inflation surge, which in the UK got blamed on conservatives because they happened to be in power.
The left has been constantly talking about it to the point that when you finally hear this right-winger talking about it, you finally hear it? The Biden-Harris administration HAS listened to the left and has been moving to bring the power back to the regular folk to stand up against corporations: standing more on the side of unions to empower workers, taking pharmaceutical companies to task for horribly unfair practices (trying to give Medicare bargaining power), and installing a competent and aggressive FTC chairperson (Lina Khan) who has big corp crapping their pants because she is actually doing her job rather than treating it as a stepping stone, and even the act of giving COVID relief directly to the people (as opposed to the Trump administration's heavily abused PPP that went to business and grifters). It's slow-going but it is stuff that even previous Democratic administrations were too afraid to do. And they are doing it all against heavy opposition from conservatives who turn around and try to take credit for the progress they opposed.
Lives in a world of severe cognitive dissonance where the ideas she promotes come from a party that wants to take away her rights to control her own body and her right to vote. I just reject people who apologize for these dystopian ideas and cannot take any of their remarks seriously.
What on earth is this lady talking about. I learned nothing about the “New Right”. This is the least informing of your shows that I have listened to. This was time spent that I won’t get back.
Holy shit her answer about "how are you guys grappling with the economic successes of the last 20 years" and she literally started rattling off NEGATIVES on the economy??? I know the Right just simply can't speak positively about the US but it feels like she is literally not even aware that she completely ignored the question! That was actually unbelievable
The church people have gotten too comfortable. They don't want a separation of church and state. They have been eroding various laws and regs over the years. I think social media has been great for them because the family and friends of religious people see their posts about we need god in our lives and all that. They don't do it in a preachy way. They aren't saying it directly to you. So then you say yea, we do need god in our lives. You still are not going to go to church, but you may not think twice about voting for some very religious representatives at the local, state and federal level because you think they won't do anything to harm you because they are supposed to be good. We need to threaten their tax exempt status. That will straighten them up right away
Excuse me for being a prig but it seems what the US needs is not a political solution. We need a cultural one. Religion has gone sideways and really isnt useful as a way to give people structure and trust and connection. We need a movement just not a political one.
Yup....we (the US) is unethical. Freedom without responsibility. Laws that have more to do with controlling a section of society then they do with justice.
@@SemiTheMaverick Well, it is the religion. Worldwide, unfortunately. People embrace it without any thought. The more contradictory it is, the deeper the "truth". Like, "oh, you are so naive and don't understand econ.101". It's not the end of the textbook! And even the most modern economics doesn't really describe much.
the banning of porn is a troition horse. left-wing novels satire and political manifestos will get banned under the excuse that they are pornographic it's just classic tirrany
Precisely. Any mention of queer people and it will be shut down. Since McCarthyism and the Red Scare have run their course, they've run out of excuses to exercise their power to silence and vilify anything and anyone they don't like.
"It’s been five years since 2019, when he won that third Grammy, broke his hip and joked that there should be an age limit on the presidency since he couldn’t have done the job at 80. That was also the year he turned 95 and became the longest-living American president, surpassing George H.W. Bush." There are distinct signals that Trump is going into senility, fast. Do we want Vance as president? He's only got a few years in the Senate as experience. He is the man put forth by the authors of 2025. He is not an American in the current sense of a democratic republic. The new right is an unbridled president how has to answer only to the Federalist Foundation and the Heritage Foundation, not the people who live in the country.
Interesting. I wished Ezra dug deeper into her ideology because I think we barely scraped the surface. And many times I felt like she would say she agrees with certain things while avoiding diving too deeply into the ideological concept "her friends" hold and instead just briefly discusses topics on a more surface level so that it was only minimally insightful. I would like to understand more deeply about how the new right thinks because from what I have seen so far especially since Project 2025 has come out, they have a lot of dangerous stances that is terrifying to even comprehend. Even with the veneer of "virtue" many policies they espouse can so easily be abused. What a turnaround from small government and minimal government intervention into big government and the adoption of Orwellian 1984 ideology.
I think I can give you some insight, its not really insightful though, its pretty basic. We on the right have grown tired of seeing the left come to power and use it when they have it to benefit their constituents, whoever you think they are like unions, corporations etc. Republicans have never flexed the power of government since Reagan fired the ATCs that were striking. We have seen promises of small government from republicans for decades, but they lied us into wars and they helped their corporate friends, growing government with no benefit to their middle and lower class constituents. Now we see the light, we want the government to work for us. We want the power and someone who will actually have the backbone to use it for our goals and values. Trump might be that guy, or maybe they might come in the future unless the establishment crushes this new movement. That's how I see it.
Not finished listening yet but her description of the new right as it relates to newer, younger conservatives in the movement seem based in anecdotal evidence and not significant policy shifts or priorities. She mentions people engaging in sex work via Only Fans and how liberals celebrated this as freedom but what’s missing in her conversation is that people were honestly questioning how crazy it is that you could show your body on camera and make $100,000 a year when you can’t as easily do that with most jobs as a young person! Conservatives, like her, want to lambast about the accessibility of platforms that push/provide opportunities for these activities ( a view I honestly agree with) but don’t want to answer related questions about what we can do as a society to improve the financial standing of younger people across the board. Yes, money isn’t everything but that’s another moral, modern dilemma that the new right refuses to provide a sufficient response for.
She insists that they’re teaching gender and sexuality in schools like it’s true, and it’s not. She gets frustratingly close to blaming social media for depression and anxiety but blows it off for no apparent reason. She laughs at very weird places that make no sense. She defends lying to defend stances on immigration that boil down to “not where I live” (cuz I don’t like foreigners). She is unserious
It is true, they are litterally teaching it all over. And US was a million times better without more racially foreign immigration from the 60s and onward. The 1964 act litterally ruined the entire country.
Now I see where the word 'sane-washing' has been used about Trump. Right here by Ezra. Asking her questions about a 'possible' Trump presidency and talking about him as if he's going to be any sort of team player. I feel like she's the pretty face of something so dark, like the stuff in Project 2025 that instructs the new appointees to enact a policy as if they were Trump, even if he's not interested in that policy area.
Young people watching videos from another time does not mean that they want to live in that time. If I have footage from the early 20th century, 19th century, 18th century… I would want to watch it all because it’s a time unfamiliar. It doesn’t mean I want Reagan as president.
This lady keeps saying things are 'rooted in something real' and the something keeps turning out to be racism
Bigotry is the glue that holds all of conservatism together.
Like, the "real concerns" she claims that drive these claims is things like people accidentally locking their cat in their basement and making a racist Facebook post about her intent neighbours eating them
Totally. That “something real” is people’s weird fears about people who are different than them.. racism included.
Yeah, she keeps trying to dress up her rhetoric in pseudo-intellectual terms. But, what it ultimately boils down to is xenophobia. I think reasonable people can agree that there should be restrictions on immigration but, the main reason it is such a rallying cry on the right is that these particular people see immigrants in their communities and fear them because of an innate aversion to people who are different from them. I think some of this aversion is kind of human but, instead of reflecting and then exposing yourself to different cultures so you can feel comfortable with them, these people allow the fear to drive them. Or some people just outright dislike certain groups of people. Then, because we exist in two different information silos, people will listen to sources of information that back up their initial instincts and that is where they hear a lot of these talking points from republicans that are just lies. In addition, I think you can critique the methods that are being used to screen people coming into the country but, republicans in general that I encounter aren’t even aware of what is actually being done to screen immigrants or what the process of the law is or how “illegal” immigrants actually come into the country. Which is overstaying their visas. They just repeat extreme lies about what is actually happening on immigration. For instance, someone told me that the democrats support open borders. Which is just fundamentally not true. I think the republicans are “pulling their hair out” and spewing insane rhetoric because they know the reality of immigration is much more nuanced and there are many positives to immigration that undercut their arguments. But cultural conservatives want to stop immigration regardless of the negative impacts to keep the country’s culture more culturally conservative - meaning Christian (and for some people also white). So they make up fear mongering arguments against immigrants to drive that narrative. Or, they claim it’s an economic issue and saying immigrants are stealing their jobs or driving wages down. This again is not reflected in the data. This keeps the focus off of the business community who are getting more and more profits without allowing for substantial increases in wages for their workers.
Exactly, this section was infuriating. Ezra danced around too much in his response instead directly challenging the premise that a certain percentage of the population had a frustration "rooted in something real" about not getting mainstream support for their immigration fears - because when these fears are investigated, they do not reflect reality 99% of the time. Immigrants commit crimes at a significantly lower percentage than natural born citizens, and generate more productivity and economic growth for that community, as in the case of Springfield.
Fox news has stoked this anti-immigrant sentiment for decades - would be interesting to see an analysis of anti-immigration sentiment in this country tracked against their anti immigration news segments over time. This misinformation may be one of the main sources of this "real" frustration.
Maybe I'm being unfair, but she really sounds like she's trying to put a charming face on horrible ideas. She does come off well if you're not paying close attention. But something about the affability and deference seems just a little over acted. She concedes every point when challenged, throws all the surface level stuff under the bus as she goes with this "wow my side is crazy" shtick. It feels designed to win over liberals who just wish Republicans could be normal (even if their policies remain awful). But as someone else pointed out, the point she's ultimately defending just seems to be racism.
It's cognitive dissonance. Her core beliefs are grounded in feelings. That's where her answer goes to when pushed, the feelings of those on the right. But that belief is in conflict with her other belief that you shouldn't be a bad person. She bought the Kool aid they teach in conservative school unlike most who just use the virtues as a way to subjugate people they don't like. There's a pretty good chance someone like her will eventually see the right movement for what it is and possibly have a change of heart.
You’re not being unfair. That is exactly how I read her, and I wonder why Ezra didn’t just put the question of racism out there. I’m sure he could have done so in a deft, non-accusatory way.
Stinks like kiss-up shit to me. Ew
I agree wholeheartedly and that little Guffaw laugh when saying something she agrees with but wants to deflect is a real tell.
I mean she works with Ryan Grim and the grifters at Breaking Points. Its all a grift to these people.
You're right. It was FAR MORE united than I thought
I like how she dances around giving an answer for what the "real concerns" are about immigration. It's almost like she's embarrassed to actually say what it is.
I'm a progressive leftie, but I don't think that the right's concerns about immigration are 100% about racism/xenophobia. The Springfield cats/dogs thing is racist bullshit, but it's undeniably true that large influxes of immigrants can create friction because they come from cultures with very different values. Local public schools often don't have the resources to educate large influxes of students who don't speak English. The solution obviously isn't to deport them all or put razor wire in the Rio Grande, but Democrats are really playing into the coastal elite image if they continue to say that immigration sentiment is just driven by racism.
Yup. Completely dodged the question.
I'm generally quite a cosmopolitan globalist who believes in more open borders. But there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that there are also downsides to immigration.
It can undercut the wages of working-class people. It can put pressure on housing, infrastructure, and public services. It can increase social tensions. It can make organized crime more difficult to police. And it can be a national security threat.
Acknowledging these risks allows us to maximize the positives of immigration and ameliorate the negatives. Many progressives seem to think it's helpful to deny them and accuse all skeptics of racism. I think that denialism and demonization just fuels the far-right.
Is she the one who is on the left? But now sounds like a right winger
@@Johnjackjackno, she’s a conservative.
Every time you have a conservative on, Ezra, I come away, hearing they either have no particular vision for America. But the feeling I get is that they have a very strong vision but are just not articulating it on your show. Maybe that’s because it doesn’t stand up to intellectual scrutiny.
That's partly because conservative intellectuals have largely disappeared. The ideas of people like Stan Evans, Richard Brookheiser and David Brooks have been superceded by the vacuous musing of school dropouts like Sean Hannity, Charlie Kirk, Tim Poole and other internet performance artists.
You should introduce the show as the DISCREDITED NY Times. Accuracy counts.
They have no vision for America. They just think something went wrong somewhere. They are stuck trying to go back to the past or "conserve" things. I mean it's their ethos: Make America Great AGAIN.
If they do have a vision, it's something akin to The Handmaids tale. Which is part of the reason they've started banning the book. They simply can't talk about their vision because it's politically toxic (which is why Trump runs away from Prohect 2025)
She has a vision, it’s Gilead but she tries to wrap it this fun loving young persons package.
She’s a hard evangelical Christian but again she wants to present a fan friendly version.
She’d ban gay marriage while complaining about government overreach.
28:50 : JD Vance’s statement about creating stories (aka lying) wasn’t clipped out of context. It’s exactly what he said & meant.
Yep, she's spinning to try to defend the indefensible. Gross.
When she said that I was really ready to listen to it again and give it a charitable interpretation.
It didn’t land any differently, because there is no other way to interpret it.
It felt like the show splicing that clip, and the context of it, in after she said it was a soft repudiation.
She thinks "out of context" means that it's ok to lie if she agrees with what he's yelling about.
I think in context it's clear he's not admitting to fabricating tales. By "create stories" he almost certainly meant "build narratives" or "report on stories that the main stream media are ignoring".
So many words and so much intellectual dishonesty-so little moral grounding.
Yeah we need to stick to slogans the way communists always do. Power to the people
@@rex-c6vDo you understand what the term "non sequitur" means?
@@BiggusDiggusable You pretentious little poser.
Your simple formulation explains my discomfort with this discussion. Thank you.
@@rex-c6v Like "Make America great again"? You may want to read about how Roger Ailes told Nixon to speak to right wing Americans. He basically explained that they are very stupid and need easily digestible slogans. Why do right wingers always project?
I watched this to get an understanding of the elusive intellectual basis for modern American conservatism, but my takeaway is that there's not much substance to it at all.
I completely agree
I found it hard to understand her- if she had a logic I could not see it???
@Raterme1on416 it's an ethos that's so empty it has to be filled to the brim with centuries-old failed ideas- think the demonizing of immigrants as was done to the Italians and Irish, the scapegoating of blacks, the infantilizing and control of women and the concern-trolling about protecting children to justify the attacking of gays.
@@Raterme1on416 all she had was a yearning for the hate to have a logical underpinning when there is none.
@@Raterme1on416 I’m not sure why you took away so little from this. I disagree with most of what the “New Right” stand for. But I find them interesting, and thought this was quite an enlightening conversation.
A lot to unpack here, and a lot I disagree with. One takeaway is how she talked about the right's emphasis on virtue primarily as getting married, having kids, working, etc. Nothing is said about treating other human beings with respect.
As a Christian, I believe a few simple things about "virtue".
Firstly, we are called to love God and love our neighbor. Apart from that, I would go to the description of the fruit of the Holy Spirit which includes Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness.
If the so called "Christian Conservatives" focused on these virtues, we'd all be in a much better place.
There are different approaches to Christianity. One is to focus on thankfulness and being kind, and this overlaps with supporting the poor (and immigrants and refugees). The other is a kind of puritanical showiness, a checklist of sexual rules, culture-war gestures, etc. That's what the new religious right is doing. It also relates to Iian McGilchrist's theories on the left brain's and right brain's attitudes: puritanical absolutism is an example of left-brain hubris run amok.
"You should let in more refugees because Jesus said be compassionate in the Bible somewhere. No I'm not a Christian, and I have nothing but contempt for your backwards beliefs, so no this argument wouldn't work on me, but maybe if I use it on you, you'll do what I want."
It’s very triggering when fellow democrats cosplay as Christian, stop.
@@CatLoverx900 what are you saying exactly?
I would venture to say that conservative Christians have no virtuous qualities. I don't see any of them displaying any fruits of the spirit. The Right has done some very cruel things to the American citizens.
We’re blaming this on kids on tech? “We’ve let them get bad” WTF?!?! The US allows corporations to own America. So the right want to put the responsibility on us to be virtuous, but let the money flow!?!?! I’m finding her supposed virtue very lacking. Her whole immigration story is mental gymnastics!
Not to mention this harkening to another time, where she wouldn’t have rights to speak her mind. 🤦🏽♀️
It was hard to take seriously when she started saying how there's some deep rooted thing in people watching 00's high school vids. I did the same things with 80's and 90's high school footage and I'd never have wanted to go back to living like they did.
Well, the kids on tech from earlier years ARE influencing and shaping today’s politics. Like Musk and Thule in the far right, Bill Gates on the left. All kids in sheds with tech
@@milandalosur1850I think the high schoolers are more yearning for a time when there weren't constant mass shootings and shooting drills.
@@stanthechanman that was way before the 90’s
@meli: Very well said.
Such a disappointing interview. I hoped to learn something that disabused my pre-conceived notions about the new right, or at least brought some nuance to the discussion, but subject couldn’t elucidate that at all, and Ezra just let it slide. Another waste of time.
She isn't new right. She or Ezra don't have a clue.
"Gen Z kids are spam watching camcorder footage of high schools pining for the days of yore"
To be clear, she's talking about 1 specific ~10 minute video that gets posted on reddit about every 3 months and pretending she can psychoanalyze an entire generation from that fact. Really hard hitting journalism, Ezra.
Thats the grift
Dude literally came in here to flex on how many big words he knows with this comment 🤣
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Emily Jashinsky is my age. She should remember that the DREAM Act had wide bipartisan appeal in 2007, but was blocked by fillibuster. DACA was an executive implementation of the nascent DREAM Act, and the Republican blowback was about executive overreach, not primarily immigration or unfairness. I don't think she's wrong on purpose. She's wrong, though, and her grievance has no roots.
Donald Trump seized upon immigration for simpler reasons than a perceived influx of migrants. He did it because right-wing populism has always seized upon racism as a tool. She's putting lipstick on a pig.
Perfect way to describe this interview
Her comment on DACA evaporated all benefit of the doubt I was willing to give her
Read Charles Murray's Bell Curve, George Borjas' We Wanted Workers, and Pat Buchanan's Death of the West for an intellectual take on mass immigration.
@@aesop1451 If you think that Pat Buchanan is an intellectual, I've got bad news for you
I know this lady...she write crappy articles on yahoo
Every time I hear these right-wing, "conservative" people speak.. I just want to be as far away from anything and everything they are offering.
An autocratic dictatorship.
At least all the "free palestine" bleating subsided.
I hear Cuba is nice this time of year
@@rex-c6v I'm sure you would know
*Is Raw News, AnyPLace ELse but on U-666-Tube, which I Hate????*
Jan 6 told me everything i need to know about MAGA.
And the BLM riots told me all I need to know about the left.
@@miramichi30 did BLM attack the US Capitol or disrupt a federal election? Did Harris even say she supports BLM? 🤔 Might want to rethink that one champ.
@@onedroprule They did worse. They attacked a Federal building, destroyed a police station, caused billions in damage, and many deaths. Kamala Harris was getting the rioters bailed out of jail.
@@miramichi30Obviously what you don't seem to wan't to understand is that this so called "democratic" country has rioted against Black and Indigenous peoples from the time of this white supremacist nation settler state's beginning.
@miramichi30 But But Hillary.
An apologist for the odious right. She tries to put a pleasant face on cruel and unthinking policies that egregiously effect millions of lives.. She doesn't fool anyone.
Could not have said it better, the gratuitous cruelty. Plus, the antagonism against voters, elections, facts, and for democracy.
This is a helpful interview, but Klein is spending time on a policy (Project 2025) that polls at 4%. Labor unions have more support than that and they are invisible to the NYT.
She makes my point. Right-wingers only care about their feelings and no facts.
Yeah,I'm 15 minutes in and I'm done. This would be a complete waste of an hour.
I don't think she's trying to "fool" anyone. She's just a person with openly conservative views.
The message I get from the mainstream right is “if we have to tell people that immigrants are eating their pets to convince them that they’re murderers and rapists, we’ll do it.” The message I get from Emily is “No, that’s unethical. We just have to keep telling people that they’re murders and rapists.”
They are over represented among murderers and rapists though. That's to say nothing of the cartel infiltration that goes along with illegal immigration.
The major news networks could care less, and locals said it was true. What else do you need?
@@ineedya123
No, the Local said the eating pets story was a lie, stop, just stop, you are putting innocent children's lives at risk. Cops had to escort kindergarteners to school. Just STOP LYING.
@@ineedya123locals have literally said the opposite. Over and over. Begging people to stop because EVERYONE in Springfield is suffering bc of selfish actions taken by the Republican party as a whole.
@@ineedya123 People online lie you fool!
I appreciate that she argues from a place of good faith on issues like the negative effects of smartphone use and porn/sex work re: minors. I think there's a lot of ground to share between the Right and the Left on taking better care of the mental health of young people, whether the cause be social media addiction or body dysmorphia.
But the defenses of the dogmatic transphobia and white conservatives forcing schools to teach racist, revisionist history are so tenuous and bias-based that they're nonstarters. Just completely dead on arrival at a policy level.
"Protecting" kids from empirical, history-based civics education and the real-world, anthropologically well-understood identities of LGBTQ+ people -- these are no longer conversations a vast majority of Americans are willing to have anymore. America was founded on a political science that permitted and even promoted enslavement of African peoples, and LGBTQ+ people are real and not going anywhere.
If we want to help the kids, let's focus on lifting them out of the addictions that corporations reap tremendous profit from, and preparing them for a world defined by navigating disagreement and conflict.
Hear hear. Well said.
Anything anything at all but just please please please DON'T take care of us.
The problem is she immediately transitions to talking about and conflating that issue with abortion in arguing about the dangers of sudden-onset modernity. She's stringing together so many points in her responses, ducking others, and agreeing without actually agreeing that she's impossible to have serious discourse with. She's the least serious, serious talking head I've ever heard from and that's saying something.
Yeah sure, it's the right that's engaging in "revisionist history." Have you ever heard of the 1619 project?
@@miramichi30 What did the 1619 Project revise?
Positive: She has an affable, smiley face that earns your trust
Negative: She begins to share her "ideas"
Shocking to hear a young woman willingly supporting a political party that wants to see her totally dispossesed of any political or personal freedoms.
Trump opposes a national abortion ban, to the ire and objectively to the left of the typical Republican. Stop fear-mongering and monopolizing people’s thoughts.
What a boring and simplistic critique of Emily’s interview.
The political party doesn't. A radical subset of the political party does.
Most GOP Republicans are pretty socially moderate. They don't necessarily care about the LGBT community or restricting women's rights, they just care about corporate tax cuts and cutting regulations, they're just Capitalists.
it's the MAGA Republicans who are the social fascists. They're the one's who want to restrict women's rights and criminalize LGBT people. They're the ones who want the government to round up and deporting all "illegal" humans in the country.
The GOP Republicans were just greedy warmongering capitalists, the MAGA Republicans are the ones who want to restrict personal freedoms.
You'd think white women would have learned their lesson after delivering us donold trump in 2016. I
@@jillfeatherman5523 Not at all. When one supports a party that goes rogue and wants to overthrow our system of government for the rule of gangster, what's there to talk about?
Hard to take some of her points seriously. Heres an example. The whole "They have to talk about immigration in outrageous terms to be listened to" at around the 29 min mark is a new argument from the right in this issue. They have been accused of racism and xenophobia in this area for years and ALWAYS counter that they are just anti *illegal* immigration. Now... those Haitians in Springfield were all there legally and got smeared and lied about. What issue are they complaining about? It's hard to avoid the conclusion that they simply dont want black people showing up.
Yeah, the new right is very comfortable admitting that they just don't want immigration, by which they mean "nonwhites".
@@BiggusDiggusable yeah, and Ezra made this point. He said something like you're making up outlandish lies allegedly to dramatize the real issues, but there aren't any real issues just more reprehensible policies you don't want to admit out loud. So it's lies almost all the way down but of course at the bottom it's just racism.
Yeah but you could tell that she didn't mean that she liked it. She's just telling it how it is. More calculating, ruthless people would have never made that as clear as she did.
but cubans with easy immigration requirements are ok. probably because they so conservative and have lighter skin.
Read Charles Murray's Bell Curve, George Borjas' We Wanted Workers, and Pat Buchanan's Death of the West for an intellectual take on mass immigration.
Interesting. I’ve always supported DACA recipients. I don’t feel they’re cutting in line. They were born here or brought here as young children. They went to school here, speak English, played sports with their friends. They don’t know the country from which their parents brought them. They are Americans whether or not they have citizenship.
Fully agreed. I was graduating high cool when DACA began. Several of my peers were unaware they were not citizens until we were applying for college. That program helped them continue to be at home.
Yes, except that we have a Congress that makes law, and the Congress hasn't passed a law that codified this. So Obama doing this by executive action undermines the rule of law. I agree that it is good policy, but this isn't the right way to govern, and it also makes people more likely to disregard the rule of law when the opposite party is in power. Obama had Presidency and both houses of Congress from 2008-2010 and he did not make this a priority. In the 80s Reagan and Tip O'Neill came together with bipartisan immigration reform. That is what we need today, people from both parties working together. And this will take a little bit of compromise on both sides.
@@kevinwoolley7960To be fair, Reagan/O’Neill were before Newt instructed all Republicans to refer to all Democrats as scum and traitors and before Mitch was in a leadership position in the Senate. Compromise was not much of a thing by 2008. And Obama had prioritized addressing the problems of healthcare access and affordability with the now-popular ACA in 2008-2010.
They weren't born here. They were brought into the country illegally and there are laws passed by congress about that. It shouldn't be legal to reverse that with an executive order. Also, the law requires that people are detained until they have their asylum hearing, but somehow that is just ignored by this administration.
Read Charles Murray's Bell Curve, George Borjas' We Wanted Workers, and Pat Buchanan's Death of the West for an intellectual take on mass immigration.
seems they were more united than you thought...
Her "too far" argument or claim is a handy rhetorical trick without substance. If a thing is "too far" or "too much" it is true by definition. She lets the listener decide. Unfortunately, Ezra doesn't push her.
I grew up in a small southern town that offered very little educational foundations for career opportunities. Part of the answer is making education leading to more successful possibilities. Property taxes as a foundation is not working in small southern towns.
Ummm...I grew up in a small northern rust belt town...same problems.
Very interesting piece. As a 66 year old #Never(EVER!)Trump'er who's been paying close attention to the election, I was dismayed to have never heard of many of these under currents in the MAGA movement (I'm too old, most likely). These various forces in the intellectual MAGA arena all seem to share the same problem as the Social Justice movement in the Progressive wing of the Democratic party has had, namely very theoretical modeling of how the US/world SHOULD be with very but with little real world testing of the implications and unintended consequences of these utopian models (the SJ movement is further along the testing path then any of these new right intellectual models) but what the new right models share is a deep distrust but the much more small "c" conservative moderate forces in the general public who hasn't bought into these utopian models and simply don't think they will work, no matter how well intended. The advantage to the public of the SJ experiments is, if in fact the theories are flawed, they get voted out of power has happened to some degree in California in general and San Francisco in particular and the more nuanced and updated experiment continues.
What is so toxic about the proposals from the new right outlined here is the internal conviction of being correct/right (the 2025 proposal is only supported by 5% of voters) when combined with the willingness to tear down our most fundamental small "d" democratic principle of free and fair elections. I fear and oppose many of the positions outlined by the new right but allowing the zealots, basking in their own certitude of knowing what's best for the nation and support Trump's attempts to subvert the election process (in his case simply to stay out of prison) will lead to a deeply unpopular (hated even) regime that simply refuses to bow to the ignorant will of the masses and step aside when voted out of power or to even risk such elections.
Trump has an odd fascination with Venezuela and delusionally talks of how much safer the streets of Caracas are then our cities. If Trump takes over, all I see is a failed state with anti-democratic authoritarian mish mash of legal and economic policies that will lead to a Venezuelan style failed state with no means of returning to a better path. Venezuela is being pressured by its neighbors, the US, and the international world order and still it resists internal democratic pressures. If the US has such a collapse, I can't see any amount of effective external pressure that can be brought to bear on Trump or his successor be it JD Vance, Josh Hawley, Stephen Miller, or some project 2025 zealot.
The undermining of the Republican party is complete. The undermining of our election mechanics is already underway in 2024. If Trump is elected, I don't see it surviving until 2026 much less 2028. Neither he nor the new right will tolerate it. As a former Republican, this is crystal clear to me. It's profoundly disturbing how many Democrats and "I can't possibly vote for a Democrat" old school Republicans, while intensely disliking Trump, don't seem to fully grasp the situation.
Just checking in here on Nov 7th. How’s it going?
It’s so much more frustrating to hear a person who considers themselves and their movements to be rooted in good faith ideology, than the typical frothing lunatic who espouses the same ideology
He wasn't wrong about the end part. About the institutions. That's what happens over the last couple decades. This is the last grasp of the culture war they have been losing. That's why they have been lashing out.
Alright, ‘kids like camcorder footage of the 80s, which means the American dream is dead…’ sure buddy
@@jjj2970 LOL-that was a bit of a head-scratcher for me, too! I lived through the ‘80’s and would not go back for ANYTHING!
@@vinista256 Yeah its funny they complain about the crime rates now. Do they remember the street wars of the 80's at all? Violent crime was factors higher than today
You don’t think almost everybody if not everybody considers themselves and their movements to be rooted in good faith?
This is exposing the ugly truth of someone who is interested in power not virtue 😮😮😮
This was a mostly incoherent conversation. Is she a thought leader? Get away from me.
Thank heavens, I thought it was just me!
She's a paid gaslighter. Get rid of money and religion in government so we can go back to a government that works for the people. Corporations aren't people. We aren't workers. We are citizens of a country that should be protecting us and investing in us.
@@kayess2634
Nope. You're in good company.
She is close to Megyn Kelly and hang out in Northern Virginia. She is trying to stay in business. Because if anybody hear her real voice, she will be cancel. She’s like “ I’m intellectual, traditional. No no ,.. you’re alt right hater
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And yet, here we are!
Did this lady just blame Democrats for neoliberalism? She knows neoliberalism is Reagan and Thatcher, right?
I'm a Reagan Republican and I don't believe she is speaking of neoliberalism in the same context.
Atleast, I hope not. 😅
@@bernardzsikla5640then she's not very bright, because neoliberalism is a specific thing.
I think lying us into a war for the control of natural resources in Ukraine is the definition of neoliberalism. I’m sure you know that Crimea is the second largest oil reserves in Europe and Donbas region has the third largest. Why else would we be there?
The Clintons embraced right wing liberalism
Neoliberalism completely took over American politics *only after* the Democratic party, totally abandoned labor, post Reagan, solidified with Clinton, uninterrupted through Obama. Biden somewhat disrupting it. Kamala a neolib who will either revert to Obama neolib crap or resume some of Biden's semi progressive policies, at best.
This woman was creepy and ultimately unserious. Wish you’d challenged her even once.
She's not as scary as you think
@@ChrisMissal What is your defense of her? She's intelligent and articulate, but intellectually dishonest. Who cares if we talk to each other at home like this, but when you are on an international stage with a megaphone like the NY Times, playing with these concepts in a dishonest way is dangerous "creepy". I think this is what Pathos is referring to.
He can't at the NYT. They've dug in on "being fair" to the right. I miss Ezra being more independent.
@@TranslucentStudiosWas it intellectually dishonest to play the clipped sound bite of JD Vance speaking to Dana Bash immediately after Emily noted that his comments in that interview were clipped? Like.. Ezra/NYT is doing exactly what Emily had just criticized. Unreal.
@@StraightToBlackif you listen to the whole clip it’s not substantively different. The initial reaction seems more instructive
Wow. She said a lot of nothing.
True, but she managed to dodge the questions and still remain unctuous. And her laugh is so disarming. Moreover, "Bar Stool Conservatism" sounds so innocuous. My gripe is that the interviewer let her get away with it.
Bar Stool Conservatism: Nelk Boys, Bryce Hall, Jake Paul, Adin Ross, Theo Von, Dave Portnoy, Lex Fridman, Jordan Peterson, FaZe Banks, and Elon Musk. Basic anti-SJW talking points. Further to the right is National Conservativism which Emily Mashinsky represents: Yoram Hazony, Adrian Vermeule, Sohrab Ahmari, Patrick Deneen, Oren Cass, Josh Hammer, Gladden Pippin, and Rod Dreher. Five of the last 8 names are either Catholic or Orthodox. Many right-wingers are becoming religious for political reasons, like JD Vance. Further to the right: Curtis Yarvin and Costin Alamariu. Yarvin has advocated for Trump to declare himself a monarch. Further to the right: K31th W00ds and N1ck Fu3nt3s. Democrats should promote Andrew Yang as a counterforce to the New Right.
@@aesop1451 andy yang? lmfao
@@snowballeffect7812 Yes. Look at how popular Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles are. They're two Millennials intellectuals. Noam Chomsky, David Graeber, and Naomi Klein defined the Occupy Wall Street Bernie Sander flavor of late 2010s Leftism. Unfortunately most leftists people encounter online are Hasan, Vaush, and Destiny.
@@aesop1451 walsh is a dunce and I think you're over estimating his influence. Knowles is a non-factor. Yang's policies are popular but infeasible; it's just "repeal obamacare" with very little long-term plan. Klein, Chomsky and Graeber's work are practically evergreen. You lament the popularity of the online left, but the most popular of them, hasan, regularly cites all three to some degree. Yang is far closer to walsh than graeber. No offense to Yang, but the left wing of the US should actually move left instead of being incompetent and divided trying to pass half-measures.
I hate to break it to this woman, but Mississippi did not join the Republican coalition because of fusionism. It was something very much skin deep.
I see what you did there. Well done. :>
Oh she knows, she's just bright enough to know to pretend otherwise.
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What is fusionism?
You do realize that the left wore out the racism thing a while ago? Outside of hyper progressive bubbles people tend to just roll their eyes at accusations of racism by this point.
She seems so confused. Didn't really stand for anything, just some abstract ideas about building some idealistic future.
I listened to that entire pod and I have no idea what that woman or the new right stand for. They go around in circles and never get to anything of substance other than opposition to the present. How can anyone seriously think these people can govern the world’s leading democracy.
Have you listened to Kamala speak?
@@miramichi30 yes, and she sounds brilliant!
Alright, guess who said each of these
“Gettysburg, what an unbelievable battle that was. It was so much and so interesting and so vicious and horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways, it represented such a big portion of the success of this country. Gettysburg, wow. I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, to look and to watch. And, uh, the statement of Robert E. Lee, who’s no longer in favor, did you ever notice that? He’s no longer in favor. ‘Never fight uphill, me boys, never fight uphill.’ They were fighting uphill. He said, ‘Wow, that was a big mistake.’ He lost his great general. And they were fighting. ‘Never fight uphill, me boys!’ But it was too late.”
"I was standing on a ladder outside the Homestead juvenile immigrant detention center outside Miami, looking over the fence, and I saw children lined up like prisoners. They had been separated from their families and put in this private detention facility. It was horrible."
"“If you go to Fusion, you will see a story: About 80% of the women coming in, you know who owns Fusion? Univision! Go to Fusion and pick up the stories on rape. It’s unbelievable when you look at what’s going on. So all I’m doing is telling the truth...Well, somebody’s doing the raping! I mean somebody’s doing it! Who’s doing the raping? Who’s doing the raping?"
2 from 1 of them, 1 from the other, can you guess who's who?
@@karolusmagnus3992 What's your point? You cherry picked some quotes. Kamala spits out a word salad almost every time she has to speak extemporaneously. She says almost nothing specific about policy, unless it's to flip flop on something she said a few years ago, or to copy a Trump policy.
@miramichi30
Cherry picked some quotes? Cherry picked?
😂😂😂😂😂
Kamala needs to go into rural areas and talk about doubling apprenticeships, cutting degree requirements union strength, housing and infrastructure. They need to craft a clear message to young working class men and go after them. They do not want the chaos of Trump either, but they need a direct pitch.
In my experience working class people could care less about really any national issues except maybe inflation. Most issues are local issues: crime, housing, education. Abortion? Nah. They generally don't like foreign intervention or aid.
@@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh what's your experience in working class politics?
This comment proves you know nothing about the working class.
@@EarlyRiser71 Explain
Kamala needs to go into the urban areas and ask what the Americans think about the illegals she let in ruining our cities.
15:39 watching camcorder videos does not mean i want to go back 🤦🏽♂️
When they say Judeo-Christian, what they actually mean is just Christian.
Evangelicals only support Zionism because they think it hastens the end of the world. Entirely divorced from reality and endlessly selfish.
Also when they say "religious freedom" they mean "religious freedom for Christians". They would never advocate for Muslims to pray on the 50 yard line of a football field or post scripture from the Quran in a classroom.
They hate Jews, they only pretend to like them as an excuse to hate Arabs.
Apparently Israel's destruction is the opening act of the rapture, or some-such nonsense.
You are wrong. We live in a world where the Jewish Bible is a massive part of the Christian bible.
Agreed. As a Jew I’m not buying this new “anti-anti-Semitic” right schtick. They’ll throw us under the bus in a heartbeat.
The phrase Privatization of Virtue sends chills down my spine...ugh
Same
Was Ezra Klein taking a nap half of the time? There were some outrageous statements that he just didn't say anything about.
This wasn't the first time he seemed to be asleep at the wheel. Halfway through this "discussion" I remembered that I'd unsubscribed ages ago for precisely this reason. I'm glad I listened though because the comments have reassured me that I haven't lost either my comprehension or critical thinking skills.
I did expery a bit of self doubt when I commented that this interview was a muffled mess, but I feel better now😂
She completely lost me at Project 2025. There is no way to "reasonably" discuss this dangerous project.
I agree, and I think she meant “hey don’t freak out about anti abortion stuff” she has weird views on bodily autonomy
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JD was not in any way concerned about Springfield just as he is not concerned about Middletown (his hometown).
Easy to say that about someone you disagree with.
I really expect better from you than this ultra-subtle sane-washing. Ezra, shame on you.
This
All I hear with a comment like this is "I don't ever want to hear from people with opposing views. I just want to exist in an echo chamber of my own perspective forever".
The fact is, we absolutely NEED to be able to hear the perspective of the other side and engage with it, absurd as it may be.
Thank you Ezra for having conservative voices on.
@@mdhamerlyThus isnt a respectable conservative point of view. This is putting lipstick on a pig or a veneer of respecatablity on bigotted arguments, in order to remain attractove to the biggots while being accetable to the respectable.
Its disgusting.
@@Dagune *this *respectability *bigoted *attractive *bigots *acceptable
I really hope English is not your first language
Public discourse and those who volunteer to be in it can fall on their own sword when given the safe place to express why she morally has no there, there. Don't blame the safe place for her to speak. It is essential.
At the end of the day, if you just look objectively at both of these political campaigns - I genuinely cannot comprehend how the Trump-Vance ticket could possibly win. It’s quite literally one of the worst political campaigns ever run, in countless ways, even including local, state and national elections. If Harris-Walz loses to THAT…? Then this country is truly cooked.
The democrats have been in power they now have so many wars, the economy is in the toilet and you’ve printed so much money there is a very real risk of bankruptcy…. But Trump is the problem. The world is laughing at you and is no longer afraid of you.
Perceptions beyond your own exist outside your bubble.
fortunately the opinion of privileged idiots didn't end up deciding this election.
The racial purity tomes emanate throughout this discussion. It’s quintessential American and sad
They're terrified that since 2011, every generation born is majority minority. They'll come of voting age for the 2030 midterms.
But America always has been and will continue to be a melting pot for cultures, and nothing they can do will stop that.
Delusional. You see what you want to see.
Yes abortion has been around about as long as there have been babies....and it was much more dangerous then! If the choice is between Pennyroyal tea or mifespristone, go with with the latter everytime, with respects to Mr Cobain.
Is this the female version J. D. Vance? BTW, Vance did use "create" in the usual way... then when called out on it, he slimed his way out in the most patronizing way and blamed the media for "misunderstanding" him.
This is a necessary conversation but she’s a flawed messenger. I tried giving her the benefit of the doubt since we had similar politics in the early 2000s, but it’s hard. The Republican Party has changed so much and I can’t understand staying aligned with it today. Also, her incessant nervous giggling makes this almost unbearable.
This is completely disingenuous.
Interesting that she describes virtue as having an essential element of "individual citizens being members of their community, of their society, in ways that are more meaningful than many of us see it now." Society and community, huh? I wonder what would happen if you stick an "-ism" on the end of those words lol
Hahahahhaha that is golden. She will have an aneurysm when she realizes that she wants socialism
oh my god, I never realized that what she's describing is socialism...
Listening from Australia. This is so intriguing. Goodness I hope he doesn't get back in
Same
Same x 2
Listening from the Southside of Chicago. Trump is our only hope.
@@imperialmotoring3789 Why because you might have to work an extra year to get that motorhome for retirement? That's worth dragging this country through a mile of ****t so our descendants can look back at us with utter disgrace? Shame on you. 2x c19 cases were fatal than were needed because president stupid drug his feet for months before taking it seriously. You people are TRAITORS.
@bernadetteP9999 America still has many racists. But when others describe their racism, those Americans get angry. They can't see their own deep biases: racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism, anti-intellectualism, etc..
And they despise Kamal Harris for cackling? At least she cackles when there's something to cackle about. ANIMATING!
Trump only laughs when he's watching 2011 Japan Tsunami video footage.
She laughs uncontrollably in the most awkward moments. Like on Oprah after the mother of a shooting victim told her story and Kamala's reaction was to cackle at how she would shoot people in her house. That's animating to you? She's a sociopath.
This lady is from mars. Completely unrelatable
We don't have to relate. Just find a way to understand. Only in understanding how they think can we combat it.
@@HZ-fg9sf Here's an outsider's perspective: The leftists that conservatives encounter online today are people like Hasan, Vaush, and Destiny. The 2016 Bernie Sanders Left had four primary intellectuals - Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein, Richard Wolff, and David Graeber. Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan prefigured Trump back in the late 90s and early 2000s, but he is mostly his own guy. Emily Jashinsky (the guest) represents National Conservatism: An attempt to rationalize, shape, and promote Trump's policies. The main figures are Patrick Deneen, Rod Dreher, Adrian Vermeule, Sohrab Ahmari, and Yoram Hazony. They are becoming popular with young right-wing intellectuals. My suggestion is to fuse Bernie Sanders with Andrew Yang for young left-wing intellectuals.
Emily’s smugness is annoying. Immigration is always about the “others “, but she would try to pretend there’s some high minded argument to be made.
💯
Have you listened to the residents of Springfield speak at length about the enormous socioeconomic problems caused by the influx of migrants there, spoken in entirely non bigoted terms? Do they not matter?
@@StraightToBlackindeed-the people of Springfield have shown themselves to be more sincere and good-hearted than the right-wing shills who CLAIM to speak for them 😏.
@@StraightToBlackAs a matter of fact I have. Are you aware that the Springfield population is more like 138,000? Not 50,000 like the media keeps reporting. The 50,000 is just the central metro area, so a town of 138,000 can in fact absorb 15,000 immigrants. Many of them are rebuilding derelict homes and of course doing the jobs they were actually invited there to do. Many of the immigrants are highly educated.
@@StraightToBlackAnd by the way, you are a descendant of immigrants.
I don't know who told her that giggly thing she's doing every other word is disarming, but it's not. You're not fooling anyone, darling.
Nope. Whatever she's selling, I'm not buying. Rooted in Reality? Get real. (pun intended). Trumps campaign - from day one - has been founded, based and run on falsehoods. Always has been, forever will be. Melania the other day described Trump as funny and kind. Nope. Not buying it.
Nobody who voted for Dirty Donald can be taken seriously when they speak of virtue. That ship has sailed, we know who you really are.
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She’s not talking about these issues with any context. Why are people depending on OF because of Capitalism. Why are people immigrating to America because they are trying to secure a better economic live because capitalism has made it impossible to do that at home. (Climate change/ gang violence/ us sanctions ect.) my issue with conservatives is that they never want to talk about context they alway want to scapegoat and point fingers at less powerful people they can blame and attack.
No nuance, no context, and reality only sometimes.
So the reason that Venezuelans feel the need to migrate is because of Capitalism? Cool story.
I know a different political party who pointed fingers at a less powerful people to blame them for everything, it was quite a while ago, didn't end very well now that I think about it.
Because they lack intelligence and depth, or maybe they don’t, but know that if context is considered, then everything becomes less *bulletpointed*.
None of that is true. And people have no right to steal white peoples resources when they cant build their own infrastructure even though they have the tools and the natural resources.
Giving a megaphone 📣 to a Republican like this is unhelpful and actually dangerous.
She sounds so refracted from the real world. Guess that's what I should expect from someone under 55 who still stans Reagan in 2024.
We are dealing with the results of Reaganism. Stealing. Changing tax codes to steal middle class wealth. That, my friend, is VERY relevant now!
I think MAGA are united. They're just not united in policy, but, rather, in their opposition to the Democratic party.
MAGA is united in being disgruntled
It's a bit disturbing but I can understand. The world has large problems. Finding someone to blame ( *"them"* ) is an easy route to follow.
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I love that she's basically just admitting throughout this entire podcast that everything "the new right" is fixated on is lies, feelings, and aesthetics, rather than facts and policies.
How refreshingly honest.
100%
The rights wanting to lie about slavery knows no bounds aparently
What lies?
She thinks the majority of kids want to go live in the 70's? Cos they watch old cam recordings? How is this person taken seriously? Why is she on this show?
I don't think it's a majority, but there is certainly a growing wave of analog/IRL nostalgia. I see it in my own kid and her friends.
💯 she’s buggin
@@flipdbitnostalgia obscures the realities of the past.
@@Trenton.D Uh, yeah. But we're talking pre-internet, pre-smart phone nostalgia, not Jim Crow.🙄
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It's comical that anyone would suggest the right is trying to engage in virtue. The leader of the right-wing is the biggest dirt bag I have ever personally witnessed in my entire life. What a ridiculous attempt at kabuki theater this podcast is engaging in.
Mmmmm
Facts
Why is Donald Trump the standard bearer? Why can’t the right find a true virtuous man or woman who really tries to exemplify virtue iin the public sphere?😢😢😢😢😢
Why can’t the Democrats get someone that doesn’t escalate a conflict to the point where Putin is threatening nuclear war on NATO?
Why can't we just deport every illegal?
@@Wetterisbetter514 Blaming anybody but Putin is mental gymnastics
Because you leftists think open borders are "virtuous". Anyone who suggests otherwise is non-virtuous.
@@Wetterisbetter514 Wasn't it the GOP under Nixon that escalated the Vietnam War by expanding a secret bombing campaign to Laos and Cambodia? Wan't it the GOP under Reagan that invaded Grenada and traded arms for money used to secretly assist a right-wing insurrection in Nicaragua? Wasn't it the GOP under GHW Bush that invaded Kuwait? Wasn't it the GOP under GW Bush that started a 20-year war in the Middle East? Democrats indeed...
She's 100% the reason why there are label warnings against eating laundry detergent.
She criticized the DeSantis camp for having ads that were "too online" and not for having explicitly Nazi symbols in them? She is deranged
This aged well.....
How are we even here? How is trump even taken seriously?
You are here because you(Democrats) discount the concerns of the Trump voter.
I'm a Reagan Republican and I blame both the Republicans and Democrats for Trump.
The left with gender dynamics and a high tolerance for illegal immigration and the right for not working on a real negotiated policy for illegal and legal immigration.The main reason we have Trump is both parties for pushing globalization and decimating our manufacturing base. Those people vote, and now, they latched on to a populist leader as their savior.
All said, I still far prefer stable and poor/meh? governmental policies to emotional and often irrational leadership. Ukraine is also paramount on my list. Republicans were so effective with foreign policy during Reagan, I want that back.
I haven't voted Republican since McCain and I don't see myself voting Republican for even a dog catcher until the Republicans start behaving more stable.
Republicans bought a pet leopard.
The New Right is not about practical problems or policies. Rather it's based more emotion, aesthetics, and an idealized idea of the past. Know what that's also a fair description of? Fascism.
Exactly. Religious prime them to be all about vibes and zero facts
Prescisely. Not falling for it. Legit, free, and fair election results are being cynically denied by this GOP. Voter suppression laws are being enacted or planned in every state, by the GOP. Poll workers and election officials are being threatened in all the swing states, by the GOP. An adjudicated rapist who wants to have democracy for lunch and end America as we know it, leads the GOP. Opinions, indeed, not serious people. Tell her to go fish.
You are not entirely wrong, but that description applies with even more force to progressivism.
@@arimathean4128 No it doesn't. Progressivism's focus is on the future with a view to correct injustice and expand voting opportunities. Is a social and political philosophy that promotes civil liberties 🗽, public education, democracy, individual rights, the rule of law, and free enterprise.
@@junanougues Progressivism is a small-minded movement based on judgmentalism, self-congratulation, and wishful thinking.
One thing I find very interesting when listening to interviews like this with people on the Right is that we (Leftists) actually _do agree_ on many if not most of the problems they raise. The difference is entirely in the solutions to those problems. And I find it very sad that it's so much easier for grifters to take advantage of those problems to push simplistic solutions that don't work but give them more power (the Right), versus actually taking the time to look into the root causes and try to fix them (Leftists).
For example: The Right looks at Springfield and says "too many immigrants, deport all immigrants and make it harder for them to enter." Leftists look at Springfield and say "public services are underfunded for a town experiencing such sudden growth. We need to provide more funding to those public services to take care of the people of Springfield and towns like it." But the first is easier to say, easier to implement, and doesn't result in those in power needing to pay more tax to actually help the people in need. Which is why Leftists are always on the back foot, having to fight both the Liberals who say "there is no problem/there's nothing we can do about it, don't you dare do anything to disrupt the status quo" _and_ the Right who say "it's the fault of , blame them." Leftist policies actually solve these very real problems. But those solutions require a change to the power dynamics of society that those who do hold power don't want to entertain.
Exactly! Well put.
Here's the new Right... Same as the old Right!
Same but way worse
That depends on what you mean by "the old Right". If you mean the John Birch Society, then you are correct. If you mean Buckley and Reagan, then you are wrong.
Theyre united in not saying a word of criticism against trump. They can't even think of doing it.
Drinking that Kool aid! Lead the way young Jim Jones and crew. The cliff awaits.
ASK HER WHO FUNDS THE FEDERALIST!?
For me, this interview confirms everything I'm concerned about in regards to American politics. This is the first time in a while that I've heard someone in politics even make an attempt to meaningfully address the contention between corporate interests and those of regular everyday people, and I'm extremely frustrated that it's coming from a Republican. I think the right has gotten really good at finding legitimate frustrations that Americans have about life in late stage capitalism, and then providing meaningless solutions centered around censorship and bigotry rather than addressing the actual root cause underneath. The biggest problem that I have right now is that the Democratic party has completely dropped the ball on a lot of these concerns, or likes to pretend that they don't exist, or is extremely patronizing about them ("the economy is actually good right now, Americans just don't know that"). As a result, the ideological right can step in and offer these ridiculous fascistic solutions to these problems because nobody else is actually taking the problems seriously enough. It's endlessly frustrating to me that the Democratic party has completely lost any ideological core and is completely incapable of really standing up to these people. All of their messaging has become bland electoralism and useless platitudes while still bowing to the whims of their corporate donors at the end of the day. We need a real ideologically leftist party in this country. As long as the right are the only ones talking about the real issues, the liberals will continue to gradually lose ground to them until we slip entirely into fascism.
I think that's a real misread of the electorate and what they want. A more leftist democratic party would just get fewer votes. The reason that Kamala has moderated on some of her 2019 positions is because that's how you maximize your chances of winning. More voters still say she is "too liberal" than say Trump is "too conservative". Attempts to expand the welfare state during the Biden admin like the expanded child tax credit weren't actually popular. People's perception of the economy is mostly based on uncontrollable factors like the global post-pandemic inflation surge, which in the UK got blamed on conservatives because they happened to be in power.
The left has been constantly talking about it to the point that when you finally hear this right-winger talking about it, you finally hear it?
The Biden-Harris administration HAS listened to the left and has been moving to bring the power back to the regular folk to stand up against corporations: standing more on the side of unions to empower workers, taking pharmaceutical companies to task for horribly unfair practices (trying to give Medicare bargaining power), and installing a competent and aggressive FTC chairperson (Lina Khan) who has big corp crapping their pants because she is actually doing her job rather than treating it as a stepping stone, and even the act of giving COVID relief directly to the people (as opposed to the Trump administration's heavily abused PPP that went to business and grifters). It's slow-going but it is stuff that even previous Democratic administrations were too afraid to do.
And they are doing it all against heavy opposition from conservatives who turn around and try to take credit for the progress they opposed.
Lives in a world of severe cognitive dissonance where the ideas she promotes come from a party that wants to take away her rights to control her own body and her right to vote. I just reject people who apologize for these dystopian ideas and cannot take any of their remarks seriously.
I find this information helpful. What surprises me is a lack of what we once called the opened mind.
Isn't this all so sweet? Doesn't she makes it all seem so... nice? What a wonderful vision of "freedom, patriotism and decency". DECENCY???!! Please.
No.
What on earth is this lady talking about. I learned nothing about the “New Right”. This is the least informing of your shows that I have listened to. This was time spent that I won’t get back.
Holy shit her answer about "how are you guys grappling with the economic successes of the last 20 years" and she literally started rattling off NEGATIVES on the economy??? I know the Right just simply can't speak positively about the US but it feels like she is literally not even aware that she completely ignored the question! That was actually unbelievable
Culture laws should be legislated at the church door and not the capital. Church and state delineation needs to be respected.
The church people have gotten too comfortable. They don't want a separation of church and state. They have been eroding various laws and regs over the years. I think social media has been great for them because the family and friends of religious people see their posts about we need god in our lives and all that. They don't do it in a preachy way. They aren't saying it directly to you. So then you say yea, we do need god in our lives. You still are not going to go to church, but you may not think twice about voting for some very religious representatives at the local, state and federal level because you think they won't do anything to harm you because they are supposed to be good. We need to threaten their tax exempt status. That will straighten them up right away
Excuse me for being a prig but it seems what the US needs is not a political solution. We need a cultural one. Religion has gone sideways and really isnt useful as a way to give people structure and trust and connection. We need a movement just not a political one.
Yup....we (the US) is unethical. Freedom without responsibility. Laws that have more to do with controlling a section of society then they do with justice.
Why we need a lot of reform....
I disagree (and I'm a christian). The reason why we're here is because of Neoliberalisn, not atheism
@@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh Everything is political.....
@@SemiTheMaverick Well, it is the religion. Worldwide, unfortunately. People embrace it without any thought. The more contradictory it is, the deeper the "truth". Like, "oh, you are so naive and don't understand econ.101". It's not the end of the textbook! And even the most modern economics doesn't really describe much.
I couldn't take more than about 22 mins of this absolute meandering apology tour for really bad ideas
the banning of porn is a troition horse. left-wing novels satire and political manifestos will get banned under the excuse that they are pornographic it's just classic tirrany
Did you mean trojan horse and tyranny? Just to clarify.
And let’s not forget Melania’s brush with porn.
You might need to put down the porn and read a real book. Your spelling is atrocious!
I’m not sure I get the people who care enough to listen to Ezra but then make such odd spelling choices
Precisely. Any mention of queer people and it will be shut down. Since McCarthyism and the Red Scare have run their course, they've run out of excuses to exercise their power to silence and vilify anything and anyone they don't like.
Intellectuals who say many words but know not much about the real world in this kind of media are a HUGE part of the problems we see now.
I liked this episode but I think it's because I already like to listen to Emily on counterpoints
What on earth are the two of them talking about?
Thanks, Ezra, for bringing "in both camps" Emily Jashinsky on to your show. ☺
Well… with both camis he means: More traditional Republican and MAGA gone nuts. I mean… that alone is an achievement.
"It’s been five years since 2019, when he won that third Grammy, broke his hip and joked that there should be an age limit on the presidency since he couldn’t have done the job at 80. That was also the year he turned 95 and became the longest-living American president, surpassing George H.W. Bush." There are distinct signals that Trump is going into senility, fast. Do we want Vance as president? He's only got a few years in the Senate as experience. He is the man put forth by the authors of 2025. He is not an American in the current sense of a democratic republic. The new right is an unbridled president how has to answer only to the Federalist Foundation and the Heritage Foundation, not the people who live in the country.
Vance has about 18 months experience and won narrowly even with Millions from Peter Thiel.
Interesting. I wished Ezra dug deeper into her ideology because I think we barely scraped the surface. And many times I felt like she would say she agrees with certain things while avoiding diving too deeply into the ideological concept "her friends" hold and instead just briefly discusses topics on a more surface level so that it was only minimally insightful.
I would like to understand more deeply about how the new right thinks because from what I have seen so far especially since Project 2025 has come out, they have a lot of dangerous stances that is terrifying to even comprehend. Even with the veneer of "virtue" many policies they espouse can so easily be abused. What a turnaround from small government and minimal government intervention into big government and the adoption of Orwellian 1984 ideology.
I think I can give you some insight, its not really insightful though, its pretty basic. We on the right have grown tired of seeing the left come to power and use it when they have it to benefit their constituents, whoever you think they are like unions, corporations etc. Republicans have never flexed the power of government since Reagan fired the ATCs that were striking. We have seen promises of small government from republicans for decades, but they lied us into wars and they helped their corporate friends, growing government with no benefit to their middle and lower class constituents. Now we see the light, we want the government to work for us. We want the power and someone who will actually have the backbone to use it for our goals and values. Trump might be that guy, or maybe they might come in the future unless the establishment crushes this new movement. That's how I see it.
I truly have no idea what conservatives stand for except dehumanizing everyone that is smart and kind.
Not finished listening yet but her description of the new right as it relates to newer, younger conservatives in the movement seem based in anecdotal evidence and not significant policy shifts or priorities. She mentions people engaging in sex work via Only Fans and how liberals celebrated this as freedom but what’s missing in her conversation is that people were honestly questioning how crazy it is that you could show your body on camera and make $100,000 a year when you can’t as easily do that with most jobs as a young person! Conservatives, like her, want to lambast about the accessibility of platforms that push/provide opportunities for these activities ( a view I honestly agree with) but don’t want to answer related questions about what we can do as a society to improve the financial standing of younger people across the board. Yes, money isn’t everything but that’s another moral, modern dilemma that the new right refuses to provide a sufficient response for.
She insists that they’re teaching gender and sexuality in schools like it’s true, and it’s not.
She gets frustratingly close to blaming social media for depression and anxiety but blows it off for no apparent reason.
She laughs at very weird places that make no sense.
She defends lying to defend stances on immigration that boil down to “not where I live” (cuz I don’t like foreigners).
She is unserious
It is true, they are litterally teaching it all over. And US was a million times better without more racially foreign immigration from the 60s and onward. The 1964 act litterally ruined the entire country.
Now I see where the word 'sane-washing' has been used about Trump. Right here by Ezra. Asking her questions about a 'possible' Trump presidency and talking about him as if he's going to be any sort of team player. I feel like she's the pretty face of something so dark, like the stuff in Project 2025 that instructs the new appointees to enact a policy as if they were Trump, even if he's not interested in that policy area.
I am impressed by the level of (respectful) journalism - asking questions, trying to understand, bringing forward ideas 👍
Young people watching videos from another time does not mean that they want to live in that time. If I have footage from the early 20th century, 19th century, 18th century… I would want to watch it all because it’s a time unfamiliar. It doesn’t mean I want Reagan as president.