What Chase means to say is that he is entirely wrong about many things. Awareness. The stronger your cognitive function is the more you are aware and compelled to act on it.
My understanding is as follows: Ti = deductive. Process of elimination. Reaches specific conclusions from general data points. Te = Inductive. Reference points. Reaches plausible general conclusions from specific data points. *edit* (adjusting verbiage, in case it wasn't already clear.) Ti = deductive. Process of elimination. Reaches specific conclusions from general rules. Te = Inductive. Reference points. Reaches general conclusions from specific observations / data points.
@@PA007 More accurately, thinking types want verity in their reasoning. Truthfulness/rightness Te creates a model for understanding individual concepts, if that model is correct internally congruent then it passes to be integrated to a sort of "theory of everything" that Te uses to test other future unproven concepts. We don't make assumptions for the case we work bottom up then compare it to all other systems Ti is more of "if I take this as true and this is unproven" then this reasoning can't be figured it out. It's reduced to yes/no absolute reasoning used to prove accuracy case by case, which makes it work more efficiently and hence faster because it doesn't have to relate that one case to all the other cases. You're not relating the total system to all other systems. You build it up using your assumptions to prove yes/no cases efficiently and accurately as if your assumptions where true then build the system based the yes/no cases
Te is constantly assuming, since it knows there is no perfect information available. Ti is constantly concluding, since it knows there is only one correct outcome.
No. Te creates a model for understanding individual concepts, if that model is internally congruent then it passes to be integrated to a sort of "theory of everything" that Te uses to test other future unproven concepts. We don't make assumptions for the case, we work bottom up then compare it to all other systems Ti is more of "if I take this as true and this is unproven then this reasoning can't be figured it out" as an example. It's reduced to yes/no absolute reasoning used to prove accuracy case by case, which makes it work more efficiently and hence faster because it doesn't have to relate that one case to all the other cases. You're not relating the total system to all other systems. You build it up using your assumptions to prove yes/no cases efficiently and accurately as if your assumptions where true then build the system based the yes/no cases
@@muhammadedwards8425 Would you say that if you give a premise to a Te user, they’re more likely to make assumptions and leaps of logic when getting to a conclusion? While if you give that same premise to Ti users, they will deduce and get to a more precise conclusion? If that’s the case, I’d say Te users are more likely to make assumptions when processing/deducing from the input, but less likely to make assumptions about the input itself. And the reverse for Ti users
@@ShadowQuikTLDR - No, definitely not.The point of Te and Ti are both to annihilate as many assumptions as possible in their search for verity. Controls for assumptions matter more to thinking types than the thought of assumptions themselves do Te users typically have more proof that Ti's, but Ti can reason that truth through their accepted ideas faster while Te is still busy comparing it's parts to other systems. As an example of Te, Te: Y + F= H Y = M + m + I + K F = M + f + ?( I ) + S H = 2M + m + f + 2I + S + K "The likelihood of verity increased do to all values besides I being present. We should also check how H, Y, F performs, if Y performs like F and other values besides H, Y, F like A, B, C perform similarly if they have related parts. Try to isolate the behaviors of different parts and compare to H, Y, and F to increase the likelihood of us knowing if I in F, while also checking if the system works like all other systems and is integrated into our current theory of the total overarching system"
My problem with democracy is that the majority chooses the best candidate. BUT the majority is stupid, leaving the smart ones dealing with the consequences of their stupidity.
Such is torture of life smart people (not talking academics, they mostly just educated stupid people who make same mistakes). You see right at the top a handful of families who control the world and set the agendas for their own benefit and in then you have all their middle management ruling class which are fully nepotistic positions rolling out the agendas and ensuring the surfs do the actually labour work of rolling out the agenda who are completely mislead by the media sources which are designed to keep them exactly where they are and then somehow believe that things are going to change if they vote on a rigged election for which nothing ever changes.
Pretty sure “intelligence” lies more on the perception functions than the judging functions. It’s more about being able to see things others can’t, being in genuine and innovative, imaginative. The judging functions don’t come up with new pieces but rather allocate and sort what’s already there. As of today we have super computers and artificial intelligence that can do Ti better than most of us. And yet we know they’re not smarter than us because they haven’t matched the human’s ability for extrapolation and creativity. Intelligence and creativity are pretty much the same thing. It’s what the top dogs keep saying too.
In my interactions with INTJs, it seems like many have a tendency to rely heavily on intuitions which they justify with logic, which I think makes them susceptible to confirmation bias.
"Intuitions" sounds to fluffy and lacks presicion when describing Ni hero imo (ironic). To me, Ni hero is not a "gut feeling" or "feeling" at all but a zoomed out view of things and how the connections work over time...the underlying template that holds the Si. I'm not saying anyone or function is perfect but often times Ni heros do make sense but non Ni heros are not perceiving what Ni is trying to convey for they are simply listening for Si instead. I mean, I get the confusion but on the other end it can feel desmisive.
@@JungINFJ Ni hero is just a heroic sense of desire. Of what you want/what your goal is! It's not some mystical bs! It's just desire. What motivates and energizes you! Yes, Ni users are often proactive and can see potential problems they may face in the pursuit of their goals, but no, Ni isnt some magical sense of intuition that just let's you know the future or that sees all the zoomed out connections between seemingly unconnected concepts... That's Ne, not Ni. Ni is focused! It zooms IN, not out! So I dont know what you seem to be going on about here, but it doesnt sound like Ni to me. For example, Ni + Te = Ambition. This is why wayfarers are imo the most ambitious of all the types! Their strong sense of Ni desire focuses in on some ideal or goal that they desire. Their Te has a need for power and reputation. With the 2 together, the wayfarer develops a strong desire for something, often surrounding the concept of a higher level of power or reputation. Aka, they develop ambition!
I think what you are talking about are irresponsible INTJs, who dont verify with their Ti critic, and who dont do proper research with their Te teenager. These INTJs often just assume they are right, without actually thinking things through or doing any research.
I'm a Ti hero and my Te hero husband really changed my worldview by providing a completely different premise than the ones I went with. What is interesting is I jumped to insane conclusions with his premises that he didn't previously think of before. But at the end of the day INTPs are really lazy at verifying premises so I basically ended up with 2 worldviews: if P then Q and if A then B but I don't know if its P or A so it's either Q or B and nothing matters lol
I m an infp and my debates with my intp friend are always interesting,he criticizes my stubbornes and principles because they don t seem based in logic and i criticize his axioms(wich seem rushed and clumsy).And i am always amazed at how confident in his thinking ,brilliant and smart can he be and simultaneously have such clumsy foundation/premise for his argument
as the intp friend who argues with my info friend all the time. you not being capable of understanding my entire point will being 100 percent confident that you do us not my foundation being flimsy. infps are simultaneously amazing and frustrating becuase their the only type I can have really abstract conversations with with them actually being able to keep up. but tge simple basic logic that I can get the cast majority of other types to understand just fly over their heads for some reason. they for some reason never want to admit they don't understand though
you probably just take the supposed moral high ground and shame him for straying from it with his original thoughts that cause you cognitive dissonance
Thanks to you, Chase, I unapologetically share the truth with others, especially those I care about. Your content has made me a much stronger and more integral INFJ :)
"An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." I've personally struggled finding a middle ground of keeping my integrity, and leaving an open enough mind to listen to other people's ideas. I'm frequently "correct" according to people around me. However I am wrong sometimes. I am not infallible. Optimistic Ti users are always at risk of becoming arrogant within their set narrow view, from my personal experience. I admit my Ti child has blind spots. My mind can be absolutely blown away when I realize how unaware I have been about other people's thinking. Te users are amazing for giving me input and sometimes keeping me on track. P.S the link to your discord was not working for me when I tried to join.
As an INTP I was surprised with the assertion that Ti “assumes” anything. In fact I think Ti is obsessed sometimes with reinventing the wheel so to speak. If I only had the time back I spent thinking on something only to see someone had clearly stated the same argument & reached “my” conclusion decades, or even did so in antiquity. I think Te has the strength of “assuming” and then building upon those assumptions...and are more likely to reassess and tear down those assumptions and rebuild upon new ones as zeitgeists change. Whereas some Ti heroes are more likely to “trust” his or her assumptions because of the rigor put into arriving at them. - Great talk, fascinating topic, as always. However if you still want to burn an idea, concept, construct, or philosophy to the ground , Ti hero will relish the task and ask for seconds, it’s a pass time, even if it’s playing devils advocate, to the annoyance of most ppl, who just want to move on already. Maybe some Ti hero’s are “static” while some have a compulsion to “rethinking” assumptions? What do you think ? Also your points are well taken, thanks again for a great talk. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💪🏼
And great point about the voting and related stuff. I would say that INFJ's especially are very naive to politics and ideology, but other Ti's(like the INTP you mentioned) can also be. Since politics is under a huge power play, economic lobby(directly finances politics) and geopolitics, so these powers influence politics and even science, money and structure come from somewhere.
From an Fi user's perspective both Te and Ti are intellegent but they have different attitudes and preferences about their thoughts. Te users are not confident in their own thoughts and theories so they prefer wanting feedbacks and data from the outside world. So they end up doing experiments and try out to confrim that they are right. Te is skilled in discovering the principles in their prefered conditions but they reject systems that other people creates which doesn't share their principles. On the other hand, Ti users have an amazing intrinsic power to believe that they are right no matter what the outcome of the experiments might be. They are always calm and analyze the outcome without relying on the feedbacks. They find exceptions out of general rules to refine their own theory. Ti users are awsome because they have no preference in principles so they can find a better solution based on the principles and rules that Te users discovered. Te is all about understanding and discovering, Ti is all about refining and creating.
As a Te user (parent) I like to offer a sort of premise platter to people. Like a list of possible premises they can deduce from. I feel like sometimes Ti users don’t actually mention which premise they’re starting from, and only mention their process or conclusion. I won’t accept a process or conclusion without saying which premise you’re assuming is true. And if the premise is not 100% certain, then the conclusion isn’t 100% certain either and they should admit it
That is one of main differences between myself, the INTP, and my hubby, the INTJ. My hubby will often outsource his thinking, whilst almost never do. I will only conscript another brain 🧠 if there is a massive problem in which I cannot solve on my own. Remind you, it is not out of mere pride, but just enjoy doing my own thinking, and base my think more on pattern recognition.
Hey, I just wanted to say I appreciate all your great work! I finally discovered my type (INFJ) after months of trying to figuring it out, and I wouldn't have be able to do that without your videos so BIG THANK YOU !
This is absolutely true in Canada, as well. We can elect, but not select the candidate. We also currently have the most corrupt leader in history, as well
The table metaphor is interesting- I wonder if the difference between Ti and Te is why Te users accuse Tis of “making excuses/rationalizing/ad-hoc ing/contradicting themselves” because Tis think every case is different whereas Tes think something either follows an overarching rule or it does not
Nice video cleared up a bit of my echo chamber about Ti. My newest theory (as apposed to an assumption) is the Ne parent function as responsible discovery combined with the Ti Hero thinking is healthy "potential" intelegence.
12:00 "Te users don't really make assumptions but "Ti users make assumptions 100% of the time" everybody makes assumptions and there's nothing we can do about it (proof: Gödel's theorem). However, I think a more accurate way of putting it is that Te users put more effort into making the assumptions robust (and not thinking too much about the logical implications), while Ti users focus more on exploring the logical implications of given info (and not thinking too much about whether the given info was true to begin with)
Te users do not trust their own assumptions. They are care about what others think of them and they do not come up with anything that would make them look stupid. That insecurity and distrust about their thinking leads them to seek more reference points to rely on.
@@aknkerse I think that makes sense. Caring about feeling stupid is like an Fi thing where they want to view themselves as special (as opposed to Fe who view other people as special).
Yeah about Ti and IQ it has been determined that Ti users are more likely to have higher IQs. It's actually true according to the few studies available. However when it comes to actuality Te users make up the majority of Mensa. The reason... ENFPs. They make up the majority of Mensa and they mostly lack Ti completely. They are the highest percentage of intuitives in the general population at between 8-10 percent and also completely disregard Ti users as their line of thought origin. It's pretty fascinating how that is.
Not so sure, I perform very badly on some components of IQ tests expecially when sleep deprived. Perhaps I'm a dumb INTP, I'm cool with that but I'm not so cool with being surrounded by zombies at times
@@louisejoel INTPs are a small percentage of the population but they are actually about twice as likely to have high IQs and are the most likely to score in the top 2 percentile compared to the general population (followed by INTJs). Of course while a particular type is more likely to be proficient at something, it doesn't mean they are. I'm sure there are plenty of INTPs who score in the middle range just like any other type.
Are you you sure about that? Ti to my knowledge and experience will generally stay at the level of defining what something actually means for a very long time, in debate ti seems to be at ease knowing that definitions are framed within specific contexts and its possible to alter the definition of a static principle, word or idea by shifting its context, ti users typically frustrate te users by asking them to define what their facts actual mean, one of the greatest Ti users socrates was fond of deconstructing peoples assumptions by taking them through the fallacy of their definitions! If we were to define Ti as simply causal boolean thinking statements at what point does the subjectivity inherit to ti come into play when it tries to define a thing, the example you gave with voting system sounds more like Ne testing an argument out in a public space to get some data points for further contemplation and not necessarily an example of a sole ti assertion
@@SantanaBanana47 it is possible to use Ti properly and yet still be willing to understand the assumptions that the author is making and translate that in your mind - so that you can get through a text easily without being pedantic. Then you can get the point. IF the point is wrong, then you defer to what Ti was alarming you to; now you can logically break down where the author went wrong.
Using the basic question of 'Where does actionable power lie?' People v Governing Elites has become a more important paradigm than Left v Right. True for Europe anyway.
I completely disagree with the assumption part, it is quite the opposite in fact. When I debate with TJs they are the one throwing assumptions at me and every single damned time I have to point them out. They don't even notice that they are making assumptions because they don't make their thoughts as logically consistent internally. They can see facts and make assumptions based on them, the first most common assumption that they make is assuming that the fact is true. With Ti doms as I it has to be logically consistent internally, there is no place for assumptions. We notice logical fallacies such as assumptions so well that they become annoying when others throw them at us. ''true/false'' thinking is but one thing Ti can do, the main thing Ti does are ''subjective images''. For exemple calculating a simple multiplication such as 138 x 67 is done with said images. Ti is intensive *Thinking*, it is done with the front area of the brain and goes way beyong mere true/false reasoning, *in fact if you ask me a true/false or yes/no answer I will give you a ''it depends'' most fo the time*
same te users are way more likly to assume things they hear from "reputable sources" as true and are very resistant to admitting their wrong I'm the face of contradictory evidence. whats great about ti is that it's self correcting. I make false assumptions all the time I will admit but when I spot them I correct them and reevaluate my entire system from scratch. te is not self correcting or even externally corrected if a te user assumes something true no amount especially if their fi gets involved no amount of logic is going to get them outside.
I will say, that as an INTJ, I completely agree with you. I don't really make a lot of assumptions in arguments per say, but I make a lot of assumptions in my personal life and my close friends and family are quick to point it out. I'm also incredibly stubborn with it and won't change my mind unless I'm proven wrong.
@@dragoncomosaics9282 All types can be, however so called ''reputable source'' can also be bought to lie for an agenda or they might not know everything. The amount of NTJ ''reputable sources'' that lied during the covid panic was sickening, fortunately I found some internationally known INTP specialized in infectious diseases with 30+ years in the domain. He simply refused to lie and explained all the nuances with all the charts possible. He was sent to court because he went against the agenda and went out as a winner. Even now they are still spitting lies on him.
@@rpoutine3271 Only not wise (or should I write "dumb"?) INTJ call mass media "reputable sources". Wise ones since the begining of that new dumb religion obtained contrary to mass media "reputable sources". Even so, INTJ most concerned about their own freedom and independence not sheeple that wanted to go to the sloughterhouses thinking "we are on the side of science".
I have been using this MBTI dating app. I noticed that most of the INTJ females are very attractive (the ones in the U.S). I met one in person who was attractive, (now she looks like my old elementary school teacher) she thought she was all that. When I approached her she gave me that, "who the hell do u think u are talking to me". When I saw the thumbnail I was like....do these chics think they are the super race and inturn think they are INTJs because of all the compliments and looks they get from guys. Is ego driving these girls to think they are INTJs?
To be honest, a lot of people also have no idea about their types. Some of them go for infj or intj just because they are the rarest types. I met a girl once who also insisted she was an intj, but around 30 minutes of talking to her I realized she was ESFP not INTJ.
@@LCardosed92 They are typing their egos. Also INFP females are suppose to be rare right? Almost every chic on that app is an INFP. Also either one is a goth chic who is all dark & shit or one that looks like the next door neighbor girl. ANYWAY that is my perception, someone else's perception might be different
Honestly a lot of people who think they are INTJs aren't actually INTJs. A lot of them go on forums and memes and if they relate to them, that's the mbti type they go for. That leads to a lot of mistyped people out there. Even with my own type (INTJ), I verify it at least on a monthly basis to confirm that I've typed myself accurately. Not to make excuses for that INTJ girl but typically a lot of INTJs carry this deep hurt from being misunderstood/alienated/mistreated by society and so they get defensive and take it out on other people. I was like that as a teenager but grew out of it.
This though. The biggest struggle I have with Ti users is their tendency to think there is absolute measurable indisputable truth to subjective social and emotional interpretations. While I agree there are some indisputable, predictable measurable truths. There are some issues that are too nuanced and subjective to have a concrete black and white all encompassing “correct” or “true”answer. I know I have Ti trickster, so I get that I am inclined to not see one answer. I know. But, tapping into my TE logic using the scientific method: in order for an undisputed predictable outcome you have to also have control of all the variables or else you can not trust the accuracy of the results. I think you can identify trends and patterns and make pretty good predictions and guesses (hell, I’m an Ne dom-this is my life) I don’t think that a Ti Dom who isn’t that attentive to the complexities of human emotions (especially their own) is any authority for “truth” on understanding or quantifying the emotional beliefs and motives behind any social interaction. An example that comes to mind from an interaction with a Ti user I had. I voiced some positive beliefs I had about myself about my actions through difficult times. While all of personal self esteem is always moving. This is something I felt was accurate to my belief about myself in those moments . I think I said something like: “The way I acted despite the cruelty of that situation was really quite lovely.” (Don’t challenge it, I really was. Kidding. But not really.) But the Ti dom I said that to said: “Those who actually believe something about themselves don’t need to say it out loud.” I’m not too focused on the insensitivity of the comment, because that’s not what I’m arguing (It was years ago, it’s irrelevant to my personal feelings now) But, at the inaccuracy of the comment, just in general. And how that is more a belief through social conditioning about what that means about a person on the outside. I think that idea has been accepted as fact by the social conditioning through manipulation of the idea of humility. Which feels to me was born out of jealousy, and a way to control others because of it. (Sorry tangent) But, it’s things like this that make me theorize that in order for a Ti user to make sense of something that they really don’t seem to understand (introverted feeling and social patterning and emotional nuance) they write these concrete rules on how these things work and it limits them from expansion in a space they aren’t comfortable with and it limits what they can do because they’re so married to their system. I don’t find this with ENTPs so much, but I have found it pretty consistently in ESTPs, INTPs, and ISTPs. Is there any accuracy to my observations or is it just my personal bias? I open to being wrong or hearing feedback? But, this is why I agree that Ti ISN’T INTELLIGENCE. I also thought it was profound how he described intelligence. Thoughts about this?
What about when you hear about those cases of young kids just being naturally intelligent? Like a kid genius or something. I do feel like intelligence is more than just being responsible because I feel like some people are naturally more intelligent than others. It’s a gift. Maybe some people are naturally more responsible with their thinking but then within the realm of cognitive functions how would that fit?
funny csj should say that becuase in my experience I have seen far more entpsvwith bad premises the intps with bad premises even if they happen in both types. I think ti parents tend yo make tge sane assumptions as other ti parents and ti heroes tend to make the same assumptions as other ti heroes. so I think this ti hero tends to have more bad premises is based on your entp bias
Seems, like part of the reason one shouldn't really judge, is we don't want to get locked into that kind of crystallized idea patterns. Then again, any technique becomes a crutch and a crutch can easily become another limitation. Fun world we live in. . 🔥 💙🙏💙 ❤️ 🙏 ... ... 🌒🌘 Amin !Amen! !Ameen! !Ohm tat Sat! .
If Ti is True/False logic, Te is Pass/Fail logic. One drills down what something is not, the other is satisfied with something that fits "Close enough". Both must make assumptions because all logic is based on assumptions. Deductive reasoning (Ti) needs at least one assumption, Inductive reasoning (Te) needs many assumptions to be true. This is the uncomfortable truth about the nature of truth. Turtles all the way down. See Godel's Incompleteness theorem. I see intelligence as being more than any single function. Intelligence is essentially the ability to survive diverse complex problems. Problems range from the social, to the moral, to the chaotic, to the logical, to the physical, to the metaphysical and so on. We all are stronger in some areas than others but those who consistently show they can handle the most diverse problems are likely the most intelligent overall. Some can also be savants in one area and helplessly dependent in others.
Damn, i just realized how credulous i am at times when spreaking about Jungian Analytical Psychology... I just outsource my thinking to you(the authority on this topic). Dont get me wrong this has definitely served me well, but i could definitely make more of an effort to think for myself. Also i need to see where else in life i am being credulous
Kinda unrelated, wouldn´t INFPs make the best masterminds/manipulators behind the scenes? Ne Te and triple control/outcome, theoretically should be the type with the most influence
Your example of te (boxes) The thoughts being similar...how would that work for an enfp? Ne surely will stir up those boxes of thoughts...or fill them with dissimilar thoughts?
Funny that you mentioned how assumptions can fuck us TI users over. I've been assuming way too much when i started my job in IT, i had to learn it the hard way. It allowed me to see where I am too prideful though. Though TI also challenges a lot of assumptions as well when it comes to external i information.
Does that mean that INTJs are Most on the path to intelligence or Usually More intelligent than all the Types , because their "Te parent" comes First following their "Ti Critic" AKA Input Process Output Feedback model (Te, Ti, Fe, Fi) - Also Making EXTPs the Most Intelligent Ti Users • • • (PLZ Repond CSJ, I'm Very Curious)
He said before bacause of parent and critic ti and te , etps and itjs are the best for "critical" thinking , not necessarily the snartest. For example ti and te heroes are faster and stronger and more capable , but less precise. And he says that the smartest types in general are inps , specifically infps then intps , that's just an opinion of his tho .
@@malakashraf2801 Correction He said INXPs are the most Brilliant, but That's True Ti Hero and Te Hero have a Higher capacity to do the same but He said its More about their ability to Be Responsible and Accurate
Ti is subjective truth not objective, and the reason why logic is used is because INTPs are "independent thinkers", it is in their nature. They have to use some tool, which is logic, to walk at the beat of their own drums. They are out there on their own by themselves, all they can rely on is their tools to help them think independently and their past experience (Si) which helps them make decisions quicker as they gain more experience. Also it is not assumptions it is patterns (Ne). It may start with assumptions with a young INTP but later they learn to see patterns as they gain more experience. For example when I approach girls I can tell by looking at their body language or how they look what type of person they are or what they are interested it etc. Also their is governing principles, facts which is used to compare with the INTP's experience to see how close he is to the truth which requires reading and the drive to understand. There is compassion which is all about understanding self and people. Also there is a difference between smart and educated. Smart is what you are and educated is what you become. An INTP can be smart but not educated and an educated person can be educated but not smart. Educated doctors, engineers, lawyers do stupid things and smart people who have quick wit, are driven to understand, are always reading, careful not say or do something stupid or be outsmarted or manipulated are not educated like doctors, engineers or lawyers (but they can be if they go after the degree). INTPs seek the truth to compare with their subjective truth (Ti) and experience (Si) to see how close they are to the truth. Smart and educated are both under intelligence, intelligence is more of a spectrum......so is Ti intelligence, with the other functions it is. Ti is "smart" not "educated".
I mean isn't it easier said coming from someone who has Ti in the parent's function? Cuz the parent's function is all about being or becoming responsible for that function in society. Maybe it's just that each type has a different role in the world idk lol
Great video mr, Joseph. I am an INTJ and would like to say a few words. Of course that every person is different and there are individual differences of intelligente even among the types, ok. That said, I completely agree with the internal problem of Ti, epsecially the more attuned extraverted thinkers(ENTJ, INTJ) would be much less credulous about authorities and information, especially INTJ's who disregards rules and authority(what gives them more emotional freedom). The problem of premisses is really important, because, as you said, your assumptions might be false, and I would say that in a way, using logic and assumptions can be a shortcut for information and knowledge, because theoretically it "spares" you the effort of actually researching those topics and comparing the data. That's exactly the point which Nietzsche made in his Philosophy(an INTJ), criticizing the highly intelligent and at the same time metaphysical and based on premisses(objective morals or intelligible character of things) Philosophy of Kant(probably an INTP). In this regard I would say, that the assumption based character of Ti together with the extraverted feeling(prone to others' opinions and judgments) can lead Tis(like INFJs and INTPs) to just be caught up in false idealizations, that can be even self-serving at some times.
It's hard to accept, but true. We need to verify the premises and experiment our theories to actually have accurate conclusions. Just because something is plausible, doesn't mean it's true.
Abstaining could mean a protest or it could mean you don’t care. The process still happens without you. The issue you highlighted here is not the only issue with todays democratic systems.
Thank you for addressing this. It’s infuriating when people think IQ = Logical Thinking You can be stupid and still learn to use logical thinking people.
As an INTP we don't outsource our info or ideas we have original ideas that come from Ti and Ne and you claim that Ti in ENTP'S which you claim to be your type so basically you're parsing your own Ti that is Ironic or to say inconsistent TI and Ne are good at parsing info that is not logically sound on the plus INTP'S are the Architects of ideas not getting logic from others or mentors we come up with original ideas .
There is a huge difference between wisdom and intelligence and I think the Ti hero as an INFJ like me is big on wisdom but not so much on intelligence side but intelligence can stem from it whenever I want to have it and Te hero is big on intelligence as intelligence is totally experimental based but less on wisdom. Ti user doesn't make assumptions out of the blue they use intuitive thinking deep wisdom plus internal solid guidance as everything stems from Imagination Ti user can be very intelligent as I also think every inventor on this planet is huge Ti hero that successfully completed their journey towards intelligence wisdom helps you chose the correct path but intelligence make you fail on many than to chose what you have found correct. INFJs don't go there they use wisdom to identify their path than move towards intelligence. They also believe Highly in this: "Your sickness is from you, but you do not perceive it, and your remedy is within you, but you do not sense it. You presume you are a small entity, but within you is enfolded the entire Universe. You are indeed the evident book, by whose alphabets the hidden becomes manifest. Therefore, you have no need to look beyond yourself, what you seek is within you, if only you reflect.” -Imam Ali (AS).
They could both be wrong. Like 2 ppl squabbling over the rearranging of deck chairs 🪑 on the titanic as the iceberg of objective reality strikes... sinking both without mercy. - as Socrates said “I believe that I know nothing” - always be prepared to be humbled by life, and reconsider all assumptions. -true it’s exhausting, but so is life lol.
Nice INTJ click bait there in the thumbnail... The way I see intelligence is a bit different tho. You seem to have just focused on Ti and Te, aka, the thinking functions. But when you look at how the word intelligence is generally used, eg. In IQ tests, or in research regarding the evolutionary origin of intelligence or in regards to AI, etc. The way intelligence is defined isn't just to do with thinking or true/false judgment! Things like 'memory' and 'mental reaction time' are often also discussed in such conversations of intelligence. Often they look at how emotionally connected individuals are with one another as a part of their intelligence. And lastly, the ability to look ahead and plan for the future, is often described as one of the most advanced forms of Intelligence! It is for this reason that I believe all 8 cognitive functions play a role in Intelligence! The 8 cognitive functions are the very building blocks of human intelligence, as I see it! For this reason I dont fully agree with the way you seem to be mainly focusing on Ti and Te as the sources of intelligence in this video. Although, yes I do agree with you on the connection between responsibility and intelligence tho. That's a great observation, especially considering the fact that the parent function (the responsibility function) is directly connected via orbit to the critic function (the wisdom function) with the concept of wisdom often being closely associated with intelligence.
But Mr CS Joseph. Isn't Te more group think? Hence I think it's more prone to echo chambers than Ti. Also, you said before Ti verifies everything. What you said here contradicts what you said before.
@@Quraishy intj minds wired so that they automatically knows how to climb the corporate ladder, learns how the system works then seize control silently. The thirst for a throne is similar to entj, intj are just know how to appear like a messiah with a hidden plan Downside is, they throw everything they love for the throne
Well, they have the mastery in the thinking realm because of theirs parents function being a Thinking one . Like EFP and IFJ having the mastery in the feeling realm.
well intps have the highest iq on average by a pretty good margin so... but tge type with the highest potential to be intelligent may be the ones you mentioned
@@creeperkingdom3190 some people say intps , some say intjs, but actually whenever I search it I find enfps . Enfps , then intps, then intjs then istjs actually, and 11% of people in mensa are enfps .
@@malakashraf2801 interesting assuming that's true it may be explained that by te users being more likly to prepare for iq tests. thar is tests are better at selecting for te than ti. or to me the most likely option is are way less likly to search out opertunities than other types. can you link the study. it's not that I'm doubting you I'm just curious what their sample size was and what their iq test looked like since it test tend to very wildly.
@@simpletomash I want the definition your using in particular to make your claim becuase I don't want to accidentally miss represent what your trying to say.
@@malakashraf2801 I would say Ti isn't really fact checking. You are just talking about Te nemesis and Te critic there, FJs like myself don't naturally verify at all
Is the thumbnail like that because INTJs like to verify everything and always doubt their knowledge/intelligence? (are responsible with their thinking/information)
INTP's are #1 intelligent when it comes to raw IQ / logic / processing speed. But how intelligence is it if 99% of INTP's are employees who sold their intellectual property for 5k a month salary to someone who makes millions on it in royalty licensing fees?
Ti is about clean slicing logic looking for inconsistencies in any statement or info Te is about efficiency and strategizing your Te in your type as an ESTJ is about being strategic and all about executions your videos are finished you are popping out many videos your a starter and a finisher ENTP'S don't finish their videos because they are chasing a better idea from their Ne to improve their videos this is not qualities a lead Te possesses.
Most intelligence elements 1. Ti-fe / fe-ti (processors / logic) 2. Si-ne / ne-si (memory, future consequence awareness , right thing / rules awareness) 3. Finishers (serious, seeks worst scenarios, pondering in details) 4. Sj (serious, small scale ponderers, details , perfectionist) Istj and isfj have all of them. They are the smartest Intp, istp come next
@@rahasiamanusiaanalyticalps3273 istj has Ti critic and Fe trickster not there primary 4 slots like Isfj does the only 2 functions istj and Isfj share is Si and Ne and there both Si-Ne
Finally someone said it , ti is very overrated . Also I feel so good , so good that I am not extraordinarily stupid for a ti hero . For a few of years now , whenever i think of something , if this then that i ask myself but is "this" even true ? And that is because of how many times I was embarrassingly wrong , I was out-though A LOT . But I feel this doesn't really help , I feel like I will never know anything , everything is related to other things and I just can't judge how all of them are correct or wrong and I almost can't have a single opinion that I trust and I REALLY hate it.
I don't think Ti is overrated, in reality Ti is overlooked and disadvantaged by society. If you Te people will want to give you the reins and good salaries, if you Ti you will be stuck low.
I think ti is smartness and te is intelligence; i usually feel like im really stupid when it takes me a long time to decide if something is or isnt, when a ti user will just see the truth quickly; they live in fastpaste while mi growth is much much slower, even to i wrk hard. For example: when i want to cook something i first look at the recipe i analaise it i gather the ingridients i maeasure everithing perfectly try to do everything at the right temperature and right time like the instruccions say, and it takes me really long; but a ti user just takes the ingredients and say hmm this much seems right and he cooks the dish much faster than me and turns out better.
Every vote matters is true if you consider the context of the situation or when you compare a flawed democracy to a more flawed democracy or a country without democracy at all. The question is more about given the situation, what is the best possible thing that I can do, in the case of voting or not voting in the US it is better to vote than not vote even if the system is flawed or current. Of course there are other things that go beyond voting that make even more of a difference if you want good results, but using your platform of to discourage people from voting is not one of them.
What Chase means to say is that he is entirely wrong about many things. Awareness. The stronger your cognitive function is the more you are aware and compelled to act on it.
The more we learn, the more we find out how much more we don't know.
I think that intelligence is not the same question as Ti vs Te. But I also think that we're usually not defining what intelligence even is.
My understanding is as follows:
Ti = deductive. Process of elimination. Reaches specific conclusions from general data points.
Te = Inductive. Reference points. Reaches plausible general conclusions from specific data points.
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(adjusting verbiage, in case it wasn't already clear.)
Ti = deductive. Process of elimination. Reaches specific conclusions from general rules.
Te = Inductive. Reference points. Reaches general conclusions from specific observations / data points.
Last part of both is wrong.
Using data to form general conclusions = Te (Down-up),
Explaining specific data using conclusions = Ti (Top-down)
@@PA007 Pretty sure that's what I said. It was correct.
Ti = The maps of a system(accuracy).
Te = The progression to its end(efficiency).
@@honor9lite1337 No, chalking Ti to accuracy and Te to efficiency is just copping out to an inaccurate stereotype
@@PA007 More accurately, thinking types want verity in their reasoning. Truthfulness/rightness
Te creates a model for understanding individual concepts, if that model is correct internally congruent then it passes to be integrated to a sort of "theory of everything" that Te uses to test other future unproven concepts. We don't make assumptions for the case we work bottom up then compare it to all other systems
Ti is more of "if I take this as true and this is unproven" then this reasoning can't be figured it out. It's reduced to yes/no absolute reasoning used to prove accuracy case by case, which makes it work more efficiently and hence faster because it doesn't have to relate that one case to all the other cases. You're not relating the total system to all other systems. You build it up using your assumptions to prove yes/no cases efficiently and accurately as if your assumptions where true then build the system based the yes/no cases
Te is constantly assuming, since it knows there is no perfect information available.
Ti is constantly concluding, since it knows there is only one correct outcome.
Yes, best comment yet imo i agree
@@JungINFJ I concur
No. Te creates a model for understanding individual concepts, if that model is internally congruent then it passes to be integrated to a sort of "theory of everything" that Te uses to test other future unproven concepts. We don't make assumptions for the case, we work bottom up then compare it to all other systems
Ti is more of "if I take this as true and this is unproven then this reasoning can't be figured it out" as an example. It's reduced to yes/no absolute reasoning used to prove accuracy case by case, which makes it work more efficiently and hence faster because it doesn't have to relate that one case to all the other cases. You're not relating the total system to all other systems. You build it up using your assumptions to prove yes/no cases efficiently and accurately as if your assumptions where true then build the system based the yes/no cases
@@muhammadedwards8425 Would you say that if you give a premise to a Te user, they’re more likely to make assumptions and leaps of logic when getting to a conclusion? While if you give that same premise to Ti users, they will deduce and get to a more precise conclusion?
If that’s the case, I’d say Te users are more likely to make assumptions when processing/deducing from the input, but less likely to make assumptions about the input itself. And the reverse for Ti users
@@ShadowQuikTLDR - No, definitely not.The point of Te and Ti are both to annihilate as many assumptions as possible in their search for verity. Controls for assumptions matter more to thinking types than the thought of assumptions themselves do
Te users typically have more proof that Ti's, but Ti can reason that truth through their accepted ideas faster while Te is still busy comparing it's parts to other systems.
As an example of Te, Te:
Y + F= H
Y = M + m + I + K
F = M + f + ?( I ) + S
H = 2M + m + f + 2I + S + K
"The likelihood of verity increased do to all values besides I being present. We should also check how H, Y, F performs, if Y performs like F and other values besides H, Y, F like A, B, C perform similarly if they have related parts. Try to isolate the behaviors of different parts and compare to H, Y, and F to increase the likelihood of us knowing if I in F, while also checking if the system works like all other systems and is integrated into our current theory of the total overarching system"
My problem with democracy is that the majority chooses the best candidate. BUT the majority is stupid, leaving the smart ones dealing with the consequences of their stupidity.
Such is torture of life smart people (not talking academics, they mostly just educated stupid people who make same mistakes). You see right at the top a handful of families who control the world and set the agendas for their own benefit and in then you have all their middle management ruling class which are fully nepotistic positions rolling out the agendas and ensuring the surfs do the actually labour work of rolling out the agenda who are completely mislead by the media sources which are designed to keep them exactly where they are and then somehow believe that things are going to change if they vote on a rigged election for which nothing ever changes.
Pretty sure “intelligence” lies more on the perception functions than the judging functions. It’s more about being able to see things others can’t, being in genuine and innovative, imaginative. The judging functions don’t come up with new pieces but rather allocate and sort what’s already there.
As of today we have super computers and artificial intelligence that can do Ti better than most of us. And yet we know they’re not smarter than us because they haven’t matched the human’s ability for extrapolation and creativity. Intelligence and creativity are pretty much the same thing. It’s what the top dogs keep saying too.
In my interactions with INTJs, it seems like many have a tendency to rely heavily on intuitions which they justify with logic, which I think makes them susceptible to confirmation bias.
Yes
It's a sucky truth. At worst, it makes us look foolishly narrow-minded.
"Intuitions" sounds to fluffy and lacks presicion when describing Ni hero imo (ironic). To me, Ni hero is not a "gut feeling" or "feeling" at all but a zoomed out view of things and how the connections work over time...the underlying template that holds the Si. I'm not saying anyone or function is perfect but often times Ni heros do make sense but non Ni heros are not perceiving what Ni is trying to convey for they are simply listening for Si instead. I mean, I get the confusion but on the other end it can feel desmisive.
@@JungINFJ Ni hero is just a heroic sense of desire. Of what you want/what your goal is! It's not some mystical bs! It's just desire. What motivates and energizes you! Yes, Ni users are often proactive and can see potential problems they may face in the pursuit of their goals, but no, Ni isnt some magical sense of intuition that just let's you know the future or that sees all the zoomed out connections between seemingly unconnected concepts... That's Ne, not Ni. Ni is focused! It zooms IN, not out!
So I dont know what you seem to be going on about here, but it doesnt sound like Ni to me.
For example, Ni + Te = Ambition. This is why wayfarers are imo the most ambitious of all the types! Their strong sense of Ni desire focuses in on some ideal or goal that they desire. Their Te has a need for power and reputation. With the 2 together, the wayfarer develops a strong desire for something, often surrounding the concept of a higher level of power or reputation. Aka, they develop ambition!
I think what you are talking about are irresponsible INTJs, who dont verify with their Ti critic, and who dont do proper research with their Te teenager. These INTJs often just assume they are right, without actually thinking things through or doing any research.
Great lecture, thanks Chase! (INTJ) ❤
I'm a Ti hero and my Te hero husband really changed my worldview by providing a completely different premise than the ones I went with. What is interesting is I jumped to insane conclusions with his premises that he didn't previously think of before. But at the end of the day INTPs are really lazy at verifying premises so I basically ended up with 2 worldviews: if P then Q and if A then B but I don't know if its P or A so it's either Q or B and nothing matters lol
I m an infp and my debates with my intp friend are always interesting,he criticizes my stubbornes and principles because they don t seem based in logic and i criticize his axioms(wich seem rushed and clumsy).And i am always amazed at how confident in his thinking ,brilliant and smart can he be and simultaneously have such clumsy foundation/premise for his argument
as the intp friend who argues with my info friend all the time.
you not being capable of understanding my entire point will being 100 percent confident that you do us not my foundation being flimsy.
infps are simultaneously amazing and frustrating becuase their the only type I can have really abstract conversations with with them actually being able to keep up.
but tge simple basic logic that I can get the cast majority of other types to understand just fly over their heads for some reason.
they for some reason never want to admit they don't understand though
@@creeperkingdom3190 the last part is very important point.
you probably just take the supposed moral high ground and shame him for straying from it with his original thoughts that cause you cognitive dissonance
11:54
Te used don't usually make assumptions like Ti users.
Thanks to you, Chase, I unapologetically share the truth with others, especially those I care about. Your content has made me a much stronger and more integral INFJ :)
"An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." I've personally struggled finding a middle ground of keeping my integrity, and leaving an open enough mind to listen to other people's ideas. I'm frequently "correct" according to people around me. However I am wrong sometimes. I am not infallible. Optimistic Ti users are always at risk of becoming arrogant within their set narrow view, from my personal experience. I admit my Ti child has blind spots. My mind can be absolutely blown away when I realize how unaware I have been about other people's thinking. Te users are amazing for giving me input and sometimes keeping me on track.
P.S the link to your discord was not working for me when I tried to join.
As an INTP I was surprised with the assertion that Ti “assumes” anything. In fact I think Ti is obsessed sometimes with reinventing the wheel so to speak. If I only had the time back I spent thinking on something only to see someone had clearly stated the same argument & reached “my” conclusion decades, or even did so in antiquity. I think Te has the strength of “assuming” and then building upon those assumptions...and are more likely to reassess and tear down those assumptions and rebuild upon new ones as zeitgeists change. Whereas some Ti heroes are more likely to “trust” his or her assumptions because of the rigor put into arriving at them. - Great talk, fascinating topic, as always. However if you still want to burn an idea, concept, construct, or philosophy to the ground , Ti hero will relish the task and ask for seconds, it’s a pass time, even if it’s playing devils advocate, to the annoyance of most ppl, who just want to move on already. Maybe some Ti hero’s are “static” while some have a compulsion to “rethinking” assumptions? What do you think ? Also your points are well taken, thanks again for a great talk. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💪🏼
I do really agree about the "stale thinker" point. I think that's my most common weakness as a Ti thinker
As people say we get stuck in our heads (and need to keep looking out there for more sources of info or even experience)
And great point about the voting and related stuff. I would say that INFJ's especially are very naive to politics and ideology, but other Ti's(like the INTP you mentioned) can also be. Since politics is under a huge power play, economic lobby(directly finances politics) and geopolitics, so these powers influence politics and even science, money and structure come from somewhere.
From an Fi user's perspective
both Te and Ti are intellegent but they have different attitudes and preferences about their thoughts.
Te users are not confident in their own thoughts and theories so they prefer wanting feedbacks and data from the outside world.
So they end up doing experiments and try out to confrim that they are right. Te is skilled in discovering the principles in their prefered conditions but they reject systems that other people creates which doesn't share their principles.
On the other hand, Ti users have an amazing intrinsic power to believe that they are right no matter what the outcome of the experiments might be. They are always calm and analyze the outcome without relying on the feedbacks.
They find exceptions out of general rules to refine their own theory.
Ti users are awsome because they have no preference in principles so they can find a better solution based on the principles and rules that Te users discovered.
Te is all about understanding and discovering, Ti is all about refining and creating.
As a Te user (parent) I like to offer a sort of premise platter to people. Like a list of possible premises they can deduce from. I feel like sometimes Ti users don’t actually mention which premise they’re starting from, and only mention their process or conclusion. I won’t accept a process or conclusion without saying which premise you’re assuming is true. And if the premise is not 100% certain, then the conclusion isn’t 100% certain either and they should admit it
Can you give me an example of a "premise platter"?
That is one of main differences between myself, the INTP, and my hubby, the INTJ. My hubby will often outsource his thinking, whilst almost never do. I will only conscript another brain 🧠 if there is a massive problem in which I cannot solve on my own. Remind you, it is not out of mere pride, but just enjoy doing my own thinking, and base my think more on pattern recognition.
Te is efficacy, Ti is accuracy
Hey, I just wanted to say I appreciate all your great work! I finally discovered my type (INFJ) after months of trying to figuring it out, and I wouldn't have be able to do that without your videos so BIG THANK YOU !
This is absolutely true in Canada, as well. We can elect, but not select the candidate. We also currently have the most corrupt leader in history, as well
The table metaphor is interesting- I wonder if the difference between Ti and Te is why Te users accuse Tis of “making excuses/rationalizing/ad-hoc ing/contradicting themselves” because Tis think every case is different whereas Tes think something either follows an overarching rule or it does not
Nice video cleared up a bit of my echo chamber about Ti. My newest theory (as apposed to an assumption) is the Ne parent function as responsible discovery combined with the Ti Hero thinking is healthy "potential" intelegence.
Correct as Einstein says that imagination is more important than knowledge.
Ni sees within concepts in 3-D and is also intelligent.
12:00 "Te users don't really make assumptions but "Ti users make assumptions 100% of the time" everybody makes assumptions and there's nothing we can do about it (proof: Gödel's theorem). However, I think a more accurate way of putting it is that Te users put more effort into making the assumptions robust (and not thinking too much about the logical implications), while Ti users focus more on exploring the logical implications of given info (and not thinking too much about whether the given info was true to begin with)
Te users do not trust their own assumptions.
They are care about what others think of them and they do not come up with anything that would make them look stupid.
That insecurity and distrust about their thinking leads them to seek more reference points to rely on.
@@aknkerse I think that makes sense. Caring about feeling stupid is like an Fi thing where they want to view themselves as special (as opposed to Fe who view other people as special).
Yeah about Ti and IQ it has been determined that Ti users are more likely to have higher IQs. It's actually true according to the few studies available. However when it comes to actuality Te users make up the majority of Mensa. The reason... ENFPs. They make up the majority of Mensa and they mostly lack Ti completely. They are the highest percentage of intuitives in the general population at between 8-10 percent and also completely disregard Ti users as their line of thought origin. It's pretty fascinating how that is.
ENFPs can't ignore the status of becoming a member of MENSA. Also you can study their test several times to get the pattern of how IQtest work.
Not so sure, I perform very badly on some components of IQ tests expecially when sleep deprived. Perhaps I'm a dumb INTP, I'm cool with that but I'm not so cool with being surrounded by zombies at times
@@louisejoel INTPs are a small percentage of the population but they are actually about twice as likely to have high IQs and are the most likely to score in the top 2 percentile compared to the general population (followed by INTJs). Of course while a particular type is more likely to be proficient at something, it doesn't mean they are. I'm sure there are plenty of INTPs who score in the middle range just like any other type.
@@honor9lite1337 😂. That might be true. ENFPs can definitely like status.
@@mrod8578 I would be keen to see links to the studies if you have them please
Are you you sure about that? Ti to my knowledge and experience will generally stay at the level of defining what something actually means for a very long time, in debate ti seems to be at ease knowing that definitions are framed within specific contexts and its possible to alter the definition of a static principle, word or idea by shifting its context, ti users typically frustrate te users by asking them to define what their facts actual mean, one of the greatest Ti users socrates was fond of deconstructing peoples assumptions by taking them through the fallacy of their definitions! If we were to define Ti as simply causal boolean thinking statements at what point does the subjectivity inherit to ti come into play when it tries to define a thing, the example you gave with voting system sounds more like Ne testing an argument out in a public space to get some data points for further contemplation and not necessarily an example of a sole ti assertion
Good commentary
Too long didn’t read
@@TheGuyWhoCantPickAName you must have trouble reading a single page of a book
@@SantanaBanana47 tbh I kinda do hehe
@@SantanaBanana47 it is possible to use Ti properly and yet still be willing to understand the assumptions that the author is making and translate that in your mind - so that you can get through a text easily without being pedantic. Then you can get the point. IF the point is wrong, then you defer to what Ti was alarming you to; now you can logically break down where the author went wrong.
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Using the basic question of 'Where does actionable power lie?' People v Governing Elites has become a more important paradigm than Left v Right. True for Europe anyway.
I completely disagree with the assumption part, it is quite the opposite in fact. When I debate with TJs they are the one throwing assumptions at me and every single damned time I have to point them out. They don't even notice that they are making assumptions because they don't make their thoughts as logically consistent internally. They can see facts and make assumptions based on them, the first most common assumption that they make is assuming that the fact is true.
With Ti doms as I it has to be logically consistent internally, there is no place for assumptions. We notice logical fallacies such as assumptions so well that they become annoying when others throw them at us.
''true/false'' thinking is but one thing Ti can do, the main thing Ti does are ''subjective images''. For exemple calculating a simple multiplication such as 138 x 67 is done with said images. Ti is intensive *Thinking*, it is done with the front area of the brain and goes way beyong mere true/false reasoning, *in fact if you ask me a true/false or yes/no answer I will give you a ''it depends'' most fo the time*
same te users are way more likly to assume things they hear from "reputable sources" as true and are very resistant to admitting their wrong I'm the face of contradictory evidence.
whats great about ti is that it's self correcting.
I make false assumptions all the time I will admit but when I spot them I correct them and reevaluate my entire system from scratch.
te is not self correcting or even externally corrected if a te user assumes something true no amount especially if their fi gets involved no amount of logic is going to get them outside.
I will say, that as an INTJ, I completely agree with you. I don't really make a lot of assumptions in arguments per say, but I make a lot of assumptions in my personal life and my close friends and family are quick to point it out. I'm also incredibly stubborn with it and won't change my mind unless I'm proven wrong.
@@creeperkingdom3190 Never forget that INTJ can be "reputable source" beside other "reputable sources".
@@dragoncomosaics9282 All types can be, however so called ''reputable source'' can also be bought to lie for an agenda or they might not know everything.
The amount of NTJ ''reputable sources'' that lied during the covid panic was sickening, fortunately I found some internationally known INTP specialized in infectious diseases with 30+ years in the domain. He simply refused to lie and explained all the nuances with all the charts possible. He was sent to court because he went against the agenda and went out as a winner. Even now they are still spitting lies on him.
@@rpoutine3271 Only not wise (or should I write "dumb"?) INTJ call mass media "reputable sources". Wise ones since the begining of that new dumb religion obtained contrary to mass media "reputable sources". Even so, INTJ most concerned about their own freedom and independence not sheeple that wanted to go to the sloughterhouses thinking "we are on the side of science".
I have been using this MBTI dating app. I noticed that most of the INTJ females are very attractive (the ones in the U.S).
I met one in person who was attractive, (now she looks like my old elementary school teacher) she thought she was all that. When I approached her she gave me that, "who the hell do u think u are talking to me".
When I saw the thumbnail I was like....do these chics think they are the super race and inturn think they are INTJs because of all the compliments and looks they get from guys. Is ego driving these girls to think they are INTJs?
To be honest, a lot of people also have no idea about their types. Some of them go for infj or intj just because they are the rarest types. I met a girl once who also insisted she was an intj, but around 30 minutes of talking to her I realized she was ESFP not INTJ.
@@LCardosed92 They are typing their egos.
Also INFP females are suppose to be rare right? Almost every chic on that app is an INFP. Also either one is a goth chic who is all dark & shit or one that looks like the next door neighbor girl.
ANYWAY that is my perception, someone else's perception might be different
Honestly a lot of people who think they are INTJs aren't actually INTJs. A lot of them go on forums and memes and if they relate to them, that's the mbti type they go for. That leads to a lot of mistyped people out there. Even with my own type (INTJ), I verify it at least on a monthly basis to confirm that I've typed myself accurately. Not to make excuses for that INTJ girl but typically a lot of INTJs carry this deep hurt from being misunderstood/alienated/mistreated by society and so they get defensive and take it out on other people. I was like that as a teenager but grew out of it.
yes, no girl online who says she is intj actually is
there are many who are isfps lmfao
@@rogerbee1234567 and esfps too lol
This though. The biggest struggle I have with Ti users is their tendency to think there is absolute measurable indisputable truth to subjective social and emotional interpretations.
While I agree there are some indisputable, predictable measurable truths. There are some issues that are too nuanced and subjective to have a concrete black and white all encompassing “correct” or “true”answer.
I know I have Ti trickster, so I get that I am inclined to not see one answer. I know.
But, tapping into my TE logic using the scientific method: in order for an undisputed predictable outcome you have to also have control of all the variables or else you can not trust the accuracy of the results. I think you can identify trends and patterns and make pretty good predictions and guesses (hell, I’m an Ne dom-this is my life) I don’t think that a Ti Dom who isn’t that attentive to the complexities of human emotions (especially their own) is any authority for “truth” on understanding or quantifying the emotional beliefs and motives behind any social interaction.
An example that comes to mind from an interaction with a Ti user I had. I voiced some positive beliefs I had about myself about my actions through difficult times. While all of personal self esteem is always moving. This is something I felt was accurate to my belief about myself in those moments . I think I said something like: “The way I acted despite the cruelty of that situation was really quite lovely.”
(Don’t challenge it, I really was. Kidding. But not really.)
But the Ti dom I said that to said:
“Those who actually believe something about themselves don’t need to say it out loud.”
I’m not too focused on the insensitivity of the comment, because that’s not what I’m arguing (It was years ago, it’s irrelevant to my personal feelings now)
But, at the inaccuracy of the comment, just in general.
And how that is more a belief through social conditioning about what that means about a person on the outside. I think that idea has been accepted as fact by the social conditioning through manipulation of the idea of humility. Which feels to me was born out of jealousy, and a way to control others because of it. (Sorry tangent)
But, it’s things like this that make me theorize that in order for a Ti user to make sense of something that they really don’t seem to understand (introverted feeling and social patterning and emotional nuance) they write these concrete rules on how these things work and it limits them from expansion in a space they aren’t comfortable with and it limits what they can do because they’re so married to their system.
I don’t find this with ENTPs so much, but I have found it pretty consistently in ESTPs, INTPs, and ISTPs.
Is there any accuracy to my observations or is it just my personal bias?
I open to being wrong or hearing feedback?
But, this is why I agree that Ti ISN’T INTELLIGENCE.
I also thought it was profound how he described intelligence.
Thoughts about this?
What about when you hear about those cases of young kids just being naturally intelligent? Like a kid genius or something. I do feel like intelligence is more than just being responsible because I feel like some people are naturally more intelligent than others. It’s a gift. Maybe some people are naturally more responsible with their thinking but then within the realm of cognitive functions how would that fit?
Great video! Thank you!
Thank you Chase
funny csj should say that becuase in my experience I have seen far more entpsvwith bad premises the intps with bad premises even if they happen in both types.
I think ti parents tend yo make tge sane assumptions as other ti parents and ti heroes tend to make the same assumptions as other ti heroes.
so I think this ti hero tends to have more bad premises is based on your entp bias
Is your keyboard have auto correction option?
@@honor9lite1337 yes and it normally those more harm than good.
but it's nessasary since I have big fingers that tend to hit multiple keys on my phone
As an INTP, I have to say that MY Golden Pair, ENTJ is the master race :P
The most result, always at front, getting a head.
bUt iNtRoVeRtEd mEaNs nOt dUmB
Seems, like part of the reason one shouldn't really judge, is we don't want to get locked into that kind of crystallized idea patterns. Then again, any technique becomes a crutch and a crutch can easily become another limitation. Fun world we live in.
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INTJs defer to expert opinion more than INTPs.
INTPs ignore any expert by default.
@@honor9lite1337 In socionics the 5th function is called the ignoring function.
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@@honor9lite1337 as we should
@@honor9lite1337 of course often its a false sense of status.
Before watching, Chase's definition of inteligence is something like the measurement of the ability to reach maturity.
Edit: Close enough?
If Ti is True/False logic, Te is Pass/Fail logic. One drills down what something is not, the other is satisfied with something that fits "Close enough". Both must make assumptions because all logic is based on assumptions. Deductive reasoning (Ti) needs at least one assumption, Inductive reasoning (Te) needs many assumptions to be true. This is the uncomfortable truth about the nature of truth. Turtles all the way down. See Godel's Incompleteness theorem. I see intelligence as being more than any single function. Intelligence is essentially the ability to survive diverse complex problems. Problems range from the social, to the moral, to the chaotic, to the logical, to the physical, to the metaphysical and so on. We all are stronger in some areas than others but those who consistently show they can handle the most diverse problems are likely the most intelligent overall. Some can also be savants in one area and helplessly dependent in others.
Damn, i just realized how credulous i am at times when spreaking about Jungian Analytical Psychology... I just outsource my thinking to you(the authority on this topic). Dont get me wrong this has definitely served me well, but i could definitely make more of an effort to think for myself. Also i need to see where else in life i am being credulous
Kinda unrelated, wouldn´t INFPs make the best masterminds/manipulators behind the scenes? Ne Te and triple control/outcome, theoretically should be the type with the most influence
Cute
They already do with the woke left
@@pinklasagna8328 even behind the woke left are NTs cashing in on them.
@@TokyoTaisu the idea of an ENTP validating an Fi user with power to get the ching ching is hilarious
@@pinklasagna8328 yes the same way kanye west and pete davidson ended up messing with kim kardashian
This was so fine. 😌
Seems like cameras focus is somewhere behind you 🤔
Your example of te (boxes) The thoughts being similar...how would that work for an enfp? Ne surely will stir up those boxes of thoughts...or fill them with dissimilar thoughts?
we sure do make assumptions. it’s part of our tendency to take shortcuts
Just clicked on this, haven’t watched it yet, and I’m already afraid 😂
Funny that you mentioned how assumptions can fuck us TI users over.
I've been assuming way too much when i started my job in IT, i had to learn it the hard way.
It allowed me to see where I am too prideful though.
Though TI also challenges a lot of assumptions as well when it comes to external i information.
Great video
Can you make a video about ne aspirational, how does it look like...
And what IT jobs are best for istj ?
Just get to accounting, please.
@@honor9lite1337 yeah there actually a movie about an ISTJ accountant and a assasin. the movie is called The Accountant.
Does that mean that INTJs are Most on the path to intelligence or Usually More intelligent than all the Types , because their "Te parent" comes First following their "Ti Critic" AKA Input Process Output Feedback model (Te, Ti, Fe, Fi)
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Intjs are most interested in A.I for some reason 🤔
He said before bacause of parent and critic ti and te , etps and itjs are the best for "critical" thinking , not necessarily the snartest. For example ti and te heroes are faster and stronger and more capable , but less precise. And he says that the smartest types in general are inps , specifically infps then intps , that's just an opinion of his tho .
@@malakashraf2801 Correction He said INXPs are the most Brilliant, but That's True Ti Hero and Te Hero have a Higher capacity to do the same but He said its More about their ability to Be Responsible and Accurate
@@sirzero3785 but that's I said , what do you mean , are you saying inps are brilliant not smart ?
Have you covered the "madness/genius" of Leonardo Da Vinci?
No
He is responsible wit his Ti. Quite Mature actually
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Te used don't usually make assumptions like Ti users.
Ti is subjective truth not objective, and the reason why logic is used is because INTPs are "independent thinkers", it is in their nature. They have to use some tool, which is logic, to walk at the beat of their own drums. They are out there on their own by themselves, all they can rely on is their tools to help them think independently and their past experience (Si) which helps them make decisions quicker as they gain more experience.
Also it is not assumptions it is patterns (Ne). It may start with assumptions with a young INTP but later they learn to see patterns as they gain more experience. For example when I approach girls I can tell by looking at their body language or how they look what type of person they are or what they are interested it etc.
Also their is governing principles, facts which is used to compare with the INTP's experience to see how close he is to the truth which requires reading and the drive to understand. There is compassion which is all about understanding self and people.
Also there is a difference between smart and educated. Smart is what you are and educated is what you become. An INTP can be smart but not educated and an educated person can be educated but not smart. Educated doctors, engineers, lawyers do stupid things and smart people who have quick wit, are driven to understand, are always reading, careful not say or do something stupid or be outsmarted or manipulated are not educated like doctors, engineers or lawyers (but they can be if they go after the degree).
INTPs seek the truth to compare with their subjective truth (Ti) and experience (Si) to see how close they are to the truth.
Smart and educated are both under intelligence, intelligence is more of a spectrum......so is Ti intelligence, with the other functions it is. Ti is "smart" not "educated".
I mean isn't it easier said coming from someone who has Ti in the parent's function?
Cuz the parent's function is all about being or becoming responsible for that function in society. Maybe it's just that each type has a different role in the world idk lol
Great video mr, Joseph. I am an INTJ and would like to say a few words. Of course that every person is different and there are individual differences of intelligente even among the types, ok. That said, I completely agree with the internal problem of Ti, epsecially the more attuned extraverted thinkers(ENTJ, INTJ) would be much less credulous about authorities and information, especially INTJ's who disregards rules and authority(what gives them more emotional freedom). The problem of premisses is really important, because, as you said, your assumptions might be false, and I would say that in a way, using logic and assumptions can be a shortcut for information and knowledge, because theoretically it "spares" you the effort of actually researching those topics and comparing the data. That's exactly the point which Nietzsche made in his Philosophy(an INTJ), criticizing the highly intelligent and at the same time metaphysical and based on premisses(objective morals or intelligible character of things) Philosophy of Kant(probably an INTP). In this regard I would say, that the assumption based character of Ti together with the extraverted feeling(prone to others' opinions and judgments) can lead Tis(like INFJs and INTPs) to just be caught up in false idealizations, that can be even self-serving at some times.
It's hard to accept, but true. We need to verify the premises and experiment our theories to actually have accurate conclusions. Just because something is plausible, doesn't mean it's true.
Abstaining could mean a protest or it could mean you don’t care. The process still happens without you.
The issue you highlighted here is not the only issue with todays democratic systems.
23:30 "responsible and unbiased way" didn't you say in a recent video that there's no such thing as unbiased?
He said te users try to do that but it doesn't exist , yeah . he still said te users try that here .
Thank you for addressing this. It’s infuriating when people think IQ = Logical Thinking
You can be stupid and still learn to use logical thinking people.
As an INTP we don't outsource our info or ideas we have original ideas that come from Ti and Ne and you claim that Ti in ENTP'S which you claim to be your type so basically you're parsing your own Ti that is Ironic or to say inconsistent TI and Ne are good at parsing info that is not logically sound on the plus INTP'S are the Architects of ideas not getting logic from others or mentors we come up with original ideas .
Great lecture. Politics isn't fair in Europe either, you would see the same effects occuring due to systematic failures
There is a huge difference between wisdom and intelligence and I think the Ti hero as an INFJ like me is big on wisdom but not so much on intelligence side but intelligence can stem from it whenever I want to have it and Te hero is big on intelligence as intelligence is totally experimental based but less on wisdom. Ti user doesn't make assumptions out of the blue they use intuitive thinking deep wisdom plus internal solid guidance as everything stems from Imagination Ti user can be very intelligent as I also think every inventor on this planet is huge Ti hero that successfully completed their journey towards intelligence wisdom helps you chose the correct path but intelligence make you fail on many than to chose what you have found correct. INFJs don't go there they use wisdom to identify their path than move towards intelligence. They also believe Highly in this:
"Your sickness is from you, but you do not perceive it, and your remedy is within you, but you do not sense it. You presume you are a small entity, but within you is enfolded the entire Universe. You are indeed the evident book, by whose alphabets the hidden becomes manifest. Therefore, you have no need to look beyond yourself, what you seek is within you, if only you reflect.” -Imam Ali (AS).
Ti= correct
Te= right
They could both be wrong. Like 2 ppl squabbling over the rearranging of deck chairs 🪑 on the titanic as the iceberg of objective reality strikes... sinking both without mercy. - as Socrates said “I believe that I know nothing” - always be prepared to be humbled by life, and reconsider all assumptions. -true it’s exhausting, but so is life lol.
Nice INTJ click bait there in the thumbnail...
The way I see intelligence is a bit different tho. You seem to have just focused on Ti and Te, aka, the thinking functions.
But when you look at how the word intelligence is generally used, eg. In IQ tests, or in research regarding the evolutionary origin of intelligence or in regards to AI, etc. The way intelligence is defined isn't just to do with thinking or true/false judgment!
Things like 'memory' and 'mental reaction time' are often also discussed in such conversations of intelligence. Often they look at how emotionally connected individuals are with one another as a part of their intelligence. And lastly, the ability to look ahead and plan for the future, is often described as one of the most advanced forms of Intelligence!
It is for this reason that I believe all 8 cognitive functions play a role in Intelligence! The 8 cognitive functions are the very building blocks of human intelligence, as I see it!
For this reason I dont fully agree with the way you seem to be mainly focusing on Ti and Te as the sources of intelligence in this video. Although, yes I do agree with you on the connection between responsibility and intelligence tho. That's a great observation, especially considering the fact that the parent function (the responsibility function) is directly connected via orbit to the critic function (the wisdom function) with the concept of wisdom often being closely associated with intelligence.
Zile on fire, as always
I still don't understand, can someone explain to me how Ne parent manifested fully as responsible function?
Are you saying Ti users needs more input to come up the truth
Quality of input, not necessarily more.
@@honor9lite1337 Limitless sources
I wonder how do your method and results compare to personality hacker's
No clue who that is
But Mr CS Joseph. Isn't Te more group think? Hence I think it's more prone to echo chambers than Ti.
Also, you said before Ti verifies everything. What you said here contradicts what you said before.
Ti is instead that thing that gives you a god complex on intelligence
being right all the time sucks
@@rogerbee1234567 the hardest thing about always being the smartest person in the room is that you will forever be surrounded by stupid people
@@rogerbee1234567 most of the time*
But yeah it sucks especially when you're correct about negative outcomes...
So you guys are really right most of the time ? 😅 I think l am an istp but I am so wrong mostly , why ?!😤😂
@@malakashraf2801 you’re probably enfj or enfj subconscious focused based on ur emojis
what so special about INTJ? amongst all other types.
They aren't anything special, it's cringeworthy to think they are some kind of a "master race".
@@stephen_101 correct. Rareness creates the mystery but doesn't necessarily imply higher value.
High Ni is like a lots of drugs
@@N0URii how so ‘drugs’
@@Quraishy intj minds wired so that they automatically knows how to climb the corporate ladder, learns how the system works then seize control silently. The thirst for a throne is similar to entj, intj are just know how to appear like a messiah with a hidden plan
Downside is, they throw everything they love for the throne
ITPs are very good at go karting for some reason
That's weird . Can understand istps , but why intps ?
@@malakashraf2801 Go karting is cool. - An INTP.
Doesn’t that mean ITJs and ETPs with well developed parent function are most intelligent?
Well, they have the mastery in the thinking realm because of theirs parents function being a Thinking one . Like EFP and IFJ having the mastery in the feeling realm.
well intps have the highest iq on average by a pretty good margin so...
but tge type with the highest potential to be intelligent may be the ones you mentioned
They are the best for critical thinking cause of their critic function , but he claims inps are the smartest .
@@creeperkingdom3190 some people say intps , some say intjs, but actually whenever I search it I find enfps . Enfps , then intps, then intjs then istjs actually, and 11% of people in mensa are enfps .
@@malakashraf2801 interesting assuming that's true it may be explained that by te users being more likly to prepare for iq tests.
thar is tests are better at selecting for te than ti.
or to me the most likely option is are way less likly to search out opertunities than other types.
can you link the study.
it's not that I'm doubting you I'm just curious what their sample size was and what their iq test looked like since it test tend to very wildly.
Ti- smart
Te- clever
Hbt?
define smart and clever
@@creeperkingdom3190 Google the definitions and decide for yourself whether it does align or not, I've checked several
@@simpletomash I want the definition your using in particular to make your claim becuase I don't want to accidentally miss represent what your trying to say.
I would just say
Ti - fact checker , enemy .
Te - collecting , fast , knowledgeable
@@malakashraf2801 I would say Ti isn't really fact checking. You are just talking about Te nemesis and Te critic there, FJs like myself don't naturally verify at all
Dammit Chase!U and ur Ti parent
True. I used to believe in socialism, relativism and atheism
probably not intp
athism is spot on
Is the thumbnail like that because INTJs like to verify everything and always doubt their knowledge/intelligence? (are responsible with their thinking/information)
Are INFPs "intelligent"?
He claims you are the most intelligent of all the types 😊
"Yes."
@@malakashraf2801 In this video or where exactly ?
INFPs are probably the most intelligent type.
INTP's are #1 intelligent when it comes to raw IQ / logic / processing speed. But how intelligence is it if 99% of INTP's are employees who sold their intellectual property for 5k a month salary to someone who makes millions on it in royalty licensing fees?
Brilliant -INFJ
Ti is about clean slicing logic looking for inconsistencies in any statement or info Te is about efficiency and strategizing your Te in your type as an ESTJ is about being strategic and all about executions your videos are finished you are popping out many videos your a starter and a finisher ENTP'S don't finish their videos because they are chasing a better idea from their Ne to improve their videos this is not qualities a lead Te possesses.
Intelligence is wisdom.
Where do you ask the questions that might get an answer? :)
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Most intelligence elements
1. Ti-fe / fe-ti (processors / logic)
2. Si-ne / ne-si (memory, future consequence awareness , right thing / rules awareness)
3. Finishers (serious, seeks worst scenarios, pondering in details)
4. Sj (serious, small scale ponderers, details , perfectionist)
Istj and isfj have all of them. They are the smartest
Intp, istp come next
Istjs don't have Ti-Fe or Fe-Ti they have Te-Fi my dude
Least thoughtful comment I've seen
@@arch1935 I mean. Istj and isfj have 3 of them
In optimistic slots of ti and si
No types are closer
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Most denial comment I've ever seen
@@rahasiamanusiaanalyticalps3273 istj has Ti critic and Fe trickster not there primary 4 slots like Isfj does the only 2 functions istj and Isfj share is Si and Ne and there both Si-Ne
Philosophers are most creditious in my opinion
Finally someone said it , ti is very overrated . Also I feel so good , so good that I am not extraordinarily stupid for a ti hero . For a few of years now , whenever i think of something , if this then that i ask myself but is "this" even true ? And that is because of how many times I was embarrassingly wrong , I was out-though A LOT . But I feel this doesn't really help , I feel like I will never know anything , everything is related to other things and I just can't judge how all of them are correct or wrong and I almost can't have a single opinion that I trust and I REALLY hate it.
I don't think Ti is overrated, in reality Ti is overlooked and disadvantaged by society. If you Te people will want to give you the reins and good salaries, if you Ti you will be stuck low.
@@rpoutine3271 good observations.
I think ti is smartness and te is intelligence; i usually feel like im really stupid when it takes me a long time to decide if something is or isnt, when a ti user will just see the truth quickly; they live in fastpaste while mi growth is much much slower, even to i wrk hard.
For example: when i want to cook something i first look at the recipe i analaise it i gather the ingridients i maeasure everithing perfectly try to do everything at the right temperature and right time like the instruccions say, and it takes me really long; but a ti user just takes the ingredients and say hmm this much seems right and he cooks the dish much faster than me and turns out better.
Ure so wrong it’s funny
Good point about Ti users assuming.
Every vote matters is true if you consider the context of the situation or when you compare a flawed democracy to a more flawed democracy or a country without democracy at all. The question is more about given the situation, what is the best possible thing that I can do, in the case of voting or not voting in the US it is better to vote than not vote even if the system is flawed or current. Of course there are other things that go beyond voting that make even more of a difference if you want good results, but using your platform of to discourage people from voting is not one of them.
Not everyone deserves the same rights. Not everyone should vote. Nobody worth voting for in the US.
You look homeless 😂
The place is cool tho
homelessness is a status.
what are the 8 relationship parings for infp? please answer if anyone knows 🥲
All se users . Watch social compatibility
1.Golden pair (affection/enthusism) - ENFJ
2. Pedagogue (companionship/ solves lonliness) - ENTJ
3.Bronze pair (for acceptance) -ESTP
4.Intrigue (for getting rid of boredom) -ESFP
5.Silver pair (respect) -INFJ
6.Benefactor(trust)- INTJ
7.Refinement (super ego/trauma bond) -ISTP
8.Kindred (based on kindess and fun) -ISFP