Your thought process about keybinds is soooo thorough. Your brain actually made me smile. Thanks for the great info. I'm going to go change my settings
+Chun Kit Mak (goodguy172981) thanks goodguy! Well, I started this channel 6 months ago. Should it be bigger after 6 months? I don't know how fast channels grow so... I'm just making the videos I want to and seeing how it goes.
You definitely get a Sub! I was suffering a huge pain in my ass in the form of trying to find a good mouse and all of your videos helped me a lot. Thank you :) Keep up the amazing work, Man!
Unbelievable! After 20 years of Quake, the first person who uses his little finger to jump just as I do! Cheers to you my well-reasoned-out-keybinding-brother! Except for that +forward on mouse 2, I used pretty much the same reasoning when I arrived at my personal config all these years ago. However, when asking myself where I should put my hand on the keyboard in order to reach as many keys as possible, I ended up with UHJK. That way, there are even more keys your pinky can reach and, even more importantly, your thumb has the very comfortable choice between space and ALT. Before voice communication was a thing, in Quake 2 (especially CTF) we communicated via a whole lot of teamsay bindings. The ALT key came in very handy as a modifier to use for alternate bindings on your easy-to-reach keys. Provided the game supports alternate key bindings, I still use this system (especially helpful for MMOs). Of course by using UHJK you lose that small advantage of having your left an ready to type on ASDF. All in all I can strongly support the view that is presented here. It really makes a difference. Especially the part about jumping with your pinky and using your thumb for often used functions that should not interfere with the rest of your movement.
Quake 2 CTF represent! I've actually been using FGHJ lately (F is jump) for the same reason. In Quake, not so important, but in DOOM when there are 2 specials that you can't sacrifice a finger for, the thumb controlling the second fire (space) + grenade (alt) is brilliant. That's why I was impressed with Roccat keyboards having the extra buttons for your thumb (underneath space bar). The thumb is mostly wasted, so it'd be great if more companies started implementing some kind of thumb feature.
ABSOLUTELY. I had the Roccat Arvo for a while. But only for its size since my UHJK doesn't work with Roccats thumb-button-placement. I loved the idea though and I wish there was more of that, maybe with adjustable placement. While we are on the topic of things that there should be more of: Did you ever encounter the Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse? It was one of the first (maybe the first?) gaming mice ever. 3 buttons, no wheel and before the time of optical sensors. In my quake days this mouse changed my game completely and to this day I swear by its shape. The shape of that mouse forever set me on the path of a claw/fingertip grip hybrid. Since you really know what you are talking about when it comes to mice, do you have any idea on why there has never been a revival of that particular shape in mice? I have real trouble finding new mice that suit claw/fingertip. Most are aimed at palm grip users. And whenever you (or others) say that THIS is a claw/fingertip mouse, I always compare it to the Logitech Wingman shape and NOTHING comes even close. What's up with that? Maybe an idea for a video. ;)
Guess you might be in the minority that liked it! If something is really popular, they generally remake it... but not always, of course. Could be a lot of reasons, but I'm not sure!
+cataMailman really wish they made a updated version of the MouseMan / WingMan it is the true classic Logitech mouse! Looks uncomfortable but it's the opposite.
I don't know how I went over 8 solid years without finding this channel. Nuts. It's so good but maybe it's good to have this video updated every two years or so cause a lot can change within a couple years. Also you say "z" weird. And you still do lmao
Nice to see someone else still using Mouse2 = forward. Felt the best when Quake1 was released 20 years ago and since then I never got used to WASD. My Keys: Move Forward = Mouse2 Move Backward = W Strafe Left = Q Strafe Right = E Jump = SPACE Duck = CTRL Weapons on A S D F R MWheelUp MWheelDown . Strange but works for me and my basketball paws.
That has to be one of the most unique key configs. I think it's really interesting that you made a config that suited your gameplay perfectly; most people just stay with wasd because it's probably the easiest to pick up. And you use inverted!? My brain actually hurts thinking about it haha.
+incognito dude Yeah it's all about looking for advantages and smoothing out faults. Also, I got used to un-inverted during my map editing days, and my brain was able to switch between editor and game (inverted) perfectly. Your brain would be fine. ;)
you are literally the only other person I have come across that plays inverted. My dad started me off at probably about 10 playing halflife inverted. The way Think about it is if you were holding a man's head by the hair. forward would take his head forward and vice versa.
I started playing quake at launch of quake 1 way back in the day, i remember the launch of the TF mod and 2fort4 and well6, so im pretty oldschool too. I used to be inverted on mouse and RMB to walk forward. This video brings back some memories. Maybe ill go back to that.
When Quake 1 and 2 came out, I used to move on mouse 2. And use invert look option. It was fun, and could hit anyone moving with railgun. Now I think i would fall of the chair with invert option. Awesome videos, and very good reviews. Keep up the good work. I bought that mouse you are holding mostly because old school Quake player said it is very good.
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Thanks for this. I've been a controller gamer my whole life (just built my gaming pc in march 2015) and for FPS I'm transitioning to kb/m because I love the accuracy of mouse aiming. ESDF makes more sense to me. I'll mess around with that for a while. :-) Thanks!
Inverts 4 the win :) Personally i use the num pad section for my config. unconventional, but i find i can always find my keys because there against the side of the KB, Helps keeps my arms more inline and comfortable to.
5:20 was actually an interesting point to bring up. I had a friend who would have really predictable strafing patterns while they talk and then they'd get upset for doing bad so they'd stop talking and concentrate. Immediately afterwards their movement would be completely different and they'd improve dramatically. After this happened a few times I asked them if their push to talk was v or something instead of mouse 4 like I have. It was. When they talked they couldn't strafe everywhere they wanted so when they stopped talking and concentrated they were free to move more freely.
+Majin Krocket haha yeah that's it! Somewhat related story, I had a friend who bound push-to-talk to his taunt key, so in the videos it'd look like he was taunting after killing people, but he was actually just talking to us. Funny stuff.
My setup for BF1: Im currently experimenting with alternative configs for BF1 but there's soo many actions you need readibly available. My main goal however is to never let my fingers of the movement keys, ESDF. Move: ESDF Sprint: < Prone: Z Crouch: CapsLock (reprogrammed to "O") Spot: A Gasmask: C Reload: V (Default i R which requires movement fingers) Bayonette/melee: B Nade: N I've been thinking about moving ways to ASDF for movement to remove the ~0,1 seconds that it takes to switch button when using only middle finger for both forward and backwards. Gonna try your config with a mouse key for forward movement!
This is a game changer!! I've been using ESDF for years playing CSGO, and other games with it. But using a similar keybind setup for fortnite feels clean. I love that I almost never have to worry about have two conflicting binds for one finger. I'm more of an Xbox fortnite player, but I'm definitely gonna play a lot more on pc with this setup
I have been watching your channel for a while now and I just stumbled upon this video I need to sleep these are the wackest keybinds I have ever seen but if it works for you it works for you.
I took your keybinds and started using them in QL for test. After 2 hours I can definietly see long term improvements in my strafing and overall movement. The only thing I can't understand is inverted mouse. I simply can't see real benefits switching to inverted mouse. What was your reasoning to use it in first place? Does it feel more natural?
At one point I found out about keyboards with different layouts, and later got interested in the Colemak layout and then 60% keyboards. Colemak was interesting because it puts the most used keys in the home row (where your fingers would normally sit on a keyboard). It's made for effiency, in turn you can potentially type faster and it's also more comfortable (realised I didn't like QWERTY). I got the 60% POK3R kb because you can switch it to to Colemak with dip switches and it's smaller, which gives more space for mouse. I thought about how I could make my CS:GO key config more efficient. I hate using the number keys for weapon switching so instead I bound them to the scroll wheel. Scroll down, primary. Scroll up, secondary (
Interesting video, I've actually never liked using the traditional WSAD keyboard layout, I always used SDFG for movement which seems very similar to your suggestion.
Hey I have been watching your videos for sometime now and I really enjoy and apreeciate them alot! I was wondering which one is better the Steelseries Rival or the Steelseries Rival 100. As always thanks for the videos man.
In BF1 I've just switched to m2 s d f, though I've swapped jump onto one of the side mouse buttons and placed sprint on A. Reason being that you sprint *a lot* and holding two mouse buttons gets exhausting. I have spot on E as it's easy to reach and used constantly while strafing. Primary and secondary weapons on Q, W, and the two gadgets are on R, G. Crouch is on backslash, prone on z, interact on c, gas mask on caps Mouse 2 for forward is going to be difficult to get used to. We'll see if I stick with it.
I'm gonna try this EXACT setup for a few rounds just for laughs. And then I'm gonna swap from wasd to esdf because that was a great point I never considered :)
I use a "standard" wasd configuration and space to jump and I also use my thumb on the left alt-key for melee attacks. I dont think I would do too well with ur setup,though.
I use UHJK whenever I can. It allows my pinky to do way more and it's much easier to hop my thumb between R-alt and space than it is to do so between space and L-alt when using WASD or ESDF. I also try to avoid having to hold mouse2 'cause it fucks with my aim, so I usually use V to aim, then I set mouse2 to some tap-function, like toggle crouch.
Been looking for this comment. I switched to UHJK about a year ago. Use it on every game and it allows my pinky, but for me more importantly my thumb, to not only use space for jump but right alt and even delete next to that. It's so much more convenient to free up your other fingers. And saves half a keyboard of space on the desk. Best thing I've ever done for my game. Also use V for sprint and mouse 4 for crouch
Mouse 2 forward ftw! I use a strange key config as I started playing before WASD was a thing. I had gotten used to it and even though I can use WASD when needed, it is not comfortable for me.
I don't like the plane-comparison for invert mouse, because you are not really controlling a plane. ;) The reason why invert mouse always felt more logical to me is that you use the mouse to control your head. If you put your hand on the top of your head and pull back, you look up.
I use invert y on a controller because of muscle movement for my head as well. The muscles pull back to look up and push forward to look down. It just makes sense to me but everyone I know says I'm a psycho for using invert. I can't use inverted mouse though, it just doesn't work for me. It's cool to see someone else has the same logic as me for why invert makes sense though.
One of my friends when he plays mouse and keyboard he uses the THUMB to press CTRL, SHIFT and CAPS if needed. He natively is a console player but he's good with M&K for some arcane reason.
If a game doesn't require many keys to access, would you just recommend wasd, space, and the mouse as a standard configuration for an fps? Also, I've never seen anyone use mouse 2 to move forward, what advantages does that have over standard wasd? Fantastic vid, keep up the good work.
+HAM Reyes Thanks! I explained the advantage of mouse2 as forward in the vid though. And no, I'd recommend all players get used to a key location that allows for access to many keys, so when they do change to other games, they won't run out or have to change then. Good habits early, that's the key!
Hello ninja, I wanna know whether it is worth it to try different configs if I play hero shooter games like Paladins or Overwatch. What would you recommend?
So, I just switched to your key configuration three days ago and I´m already pretty used to it. I would say I´m almost as good as I was before with WASD (which isn´t good at all but still :) ) and while I´m a bit worried about wearing out the soft touch finish of Mouse2 on my XTD Optical way faster, overall I find my left hand to be way less cramped and in a much more comfortable position. But I find the mouse itself to feel heavier with the right hand fatiguing a tad more quickly. I currently almost exclusively play Dirty Bomb and often need to hold down keys for extended periods without hindering movement and for that I haven´t found any button more suited than CAPS-LOCK and I had to turn on "Toggle Use" for the "Use" function. Other than that it´s fine for me and being able to move from spawn (or in general anywhere) with just my right hand is super convenient, as well, as it allows for you to take a drink or scratch yourself or whatever else you might want to do :)
Still using it over a month later and I can't even imagine using anything else like WASD :) Mouse2 is infact fairly worn down but it´s top finish isn´t of the greatest quality anyways. Totally worth it.
So, apparently 6 months from the first comment later, I am obviously still using this config. Well, I actually moved it to FGHJ a couple of months ago. It's basically the same but more centered, giving you access to the ALT button to the right of the space bar. Love it. Thank you Zy. Seriously. For both, introducing me to Quake and to your config. And I still play mostly Dirty Bomb and Quake Live. By the way, future David, the current date is 04.01.2018, 02:14.
Now this is funny. I did not receive any notification that someone replied to this. I just came back here to confirm for myself that it has really already been a year since I have set up this config :) Good that I'm only 3 weeks late. So yeah, I still use and love it! I yesterday swapped Jump (F->Mouse 1) and Fire (Mouse 1->F) just to try it out and then I played a bit of QL Instagib like that. But I'm gonna stay with my normal config. I can't see myself changing it permanently any time soon but I might experiment a bit. Experimenting does mess with your muscle memory quite hard, though ;) I'm still using that exact Kone XTD Optical for the most part but at this particular moment I'm having a Kone EMP on my mousepad.
@@lDavidl This is a really interesting reply thread. I'm glad I stumbled onto this as well as the video. Thinking about giving ESDF a try, although I don't play games in the Quake series. Probably wouldn't matter though
I use this: movement: WASD Crouch: Shift Walk: C and Ctrl Fire: M1 Jump: M2 Rocket launcher: 4 Railgun: 2 Shotgun: 3 LG: E Guantlet: 1 Nade: X HMG: Z MG: F Plasma gun: G BFG10K: B This config made me a lot better at the game than other configs.
Bottomline is no matter how weird a keybind setup is you can get used to it. For example I Switched to jumping with RMB one week ago, space to zoom. Had been using space to jump since back in the 90:s. Was super awkward for a number of days. Could strafe jump with it but if I tried to shoot at the same time with LMB it would throw me off. Especially clicking and not holding LMB while strafe jumping felt impossible. Now though one week later it feels great. Playing better than ever with the setup. Occasionally I am instinctively still pressing space to jump if things get very hectic but will disappear in time. Next thing I am doing is changing my wasd setup to yghj. Also ordered a keyboard without a numpad. Want the best ergonomic setup possible. Lowered my sens a lot same time I switched to RMB jump. Found I was getting some shoulder discomfort after doing this however. Just seems smart to be able to keep the mouse more towards the center of your body hence yghj and no numpad.
I use WAXD cuz for me x key still easy to use and s to fire cuz easy. I use left and right keys for strafing as well as a secondary keybind. I use scroll wheel for somthing i can do repeatedly really fast (change weapon?) and the l-alt for an ability or switch weapon. I use space for another ability and a tab key normally for jump (idk it works for me)
This is going to be a rough couple of months, even my typing has been based off wasd. Hopefully this will also get my typing speed up. What mouse is he using?
30 mins in csgo and my brain almost melted XD i see the benefits of remaping your binds, but... it feels like its too late you know ? not sure if i can handle 1 or 2 month of being unable to play properly...but as i said, i see why..=)
Hey Zy, do you know some pro players using RMB for jump? what do you think about this? I was practicing with strife jump and I really get comfortable with RMB jump except Space
I've been using ESDF for movement for a long time (old timer FPS gamer here also). I never understood why ppl wanted to use WASD... your hands naturally rest on the keyboard to type at ESDF. I also use inverted y-axis like you. Playing CSGO ppl are always amazed to know you use inverted y-axis but like you said it seems intuitive coming from a flight sim perspective.
ESDF feels weird on my fingers, I've only gotten use to WASD and the Arrow Keys for Quake. It's just that awkward feeling in your hands and it's just not okay for me.
Hey, Zy. Nice tips you have there. Id like to share my config with my opinion. In OW i main Tracer and my cfg actually trails back from Q2. Mouse2 - jump, mouse1 - attack1, mouse3 - ult(throw bomb), mouse4 - recall. The reason i bind jump to mouse2 is cuz i used to bhop alot, and there was one day at a internet cafe where i saw the admin playing q3 and usin mouse2 to jump alot. I didnt know bhoping back then, but i felt like this would be the most suited jump bind for me. Now the keyboard. I grew up playing lots of nes and sega games, so my hands are used to be close together while using game controllers. Combining it with low sens i moved my movement keys like so: keypad8 - fwd, keypad5 - back, kp4 - strafe left, kp6 - strafe right. I used to play alot of HLDM back in the days, and you use longjump module very often there. So i had my bind to space to longjump. Similary, in OW i bind Tracer's blink to kp_enter. It leaves me with the same feeling of a short forward dash. Quick melee goes to kp_plus. Reloading - kp_period. Sometimes i imagine how ppl could react should i end up in a progaming career. Like a guy, who moves his keyboard one full length left before the matchstart :D
You have taken my keyboard brain to a new world of crazy. xD IDK if I could ever get used to it because I am a CS player! Do you use this key configuration in CS? I am guessing so.
Do you play FPS games like Call of Duty? In Modern Warfare 2019 (including free-to-play Warzone) you can run, sprint and "tactical sprint" (3 speeds of forward movement). Also, you would typically aim down sights (ADS) before firing your weapon. Would you use SPACE? I tried it, seems unlearnable. :-) As a console gamer trying to learn keyboard, I'm curious what key binds you would use. I hate the default alternatives to CROUCH (left-CTRL or C).
I like the config but would change the scope button from spacebar to something else because I use my thumb to hit the bottom rows of keys. If i were to zoom with spacebar i wouldnt be able to hit any other key on the bottom row. I don't know any other key to use for zoom though if i used this config.
i mostly play wow and csgo and i use wasd to move, started my pc gaming with action quake 2 where i used wasd, space jump, f bandage, q throw weapon and swich to knife, c mian weapon and mouse 2 + scroll 3 zoom lvls. now in csgo i use all those buttons + e mouse 3,4 and 5 and 1-6. only issue ive had is that i had q as use last weapon and then i had pistol on 2 ak 1 and knife 3, but when using awp you need to switch to your knife then back to awp to move and shoot fast again. so since i use wasd i couldnt move left while changing, so changed my q to pistol and then mouse 4 and 5 knife and awp so now i just swipe my thumb across the 2 mousebuttons to switch to knife and back instantly and no sort of nerf. everything that requires movement of my hand/fingers are things that i dont need to move while using, like nades since you dont pull out a nade while looking at someone in csgo :D pistol on q tho? never had an issue there. also use shift and ctrl for duck and walk and both scroll and space for jumping. also v to talk in game
I used to use right mouse button for forward in my Quake 2 days...at some point, many years ago, went to wasd. Thinking of going back to what I used to do but my main concern is a lot of games have secondary fire. It is nice having that on m2. I guess if a gun has secondary fire it doesn't have a zoom so the space bar could then be used for it. Could see some control clashes with games though. Will have to experiment.
Hmm. I heard on some obscure forum a few years ago that ESDF would be a good configuration vs WASD when it comes to first person shooters. At first I mocked that person, but now I think they might be right...ESDF means that my fingers have access to more keys, and moving one key further from my side keys doesn't really matter as much since I have large hands.
I used m2 for move forward growing up because this is how people played in like action quake and classic team fortress and at some point I switched to W forward but I don't really remember why or when that happened.
Did you play Doom 2 on DWANGO?I come from that era and I played RMB move forward for many years until people kept telling me I shouldn't do that in the 3D world in the late 90s. Then Doom 2 had no RMB function so it was fine. It's just funny you said you came from the old school and use that same config - I had almost totally put it off. I played a game of QC with it and it was still in muscle memory but a little rough.
Yeah, I agree with Marcus. You can play this old WASD standard alright, but you should probably drop the scroll cycle. This part seems pretty bad, mate. Besides taking too much to find the right weapon, you have to scroll to the right point and the scroll wheel distance will vary accordingly to what weapon you're currently using and to what weapon you want to change to. Besides taking too long, it is prone to error, pretty hard to memorize and pull off that in the middle of a fast paced fight. I suggest you at least try this: mousewheeldown: rocket mousewheelup: rail It will not change that much your config and it will unbind two of your number keys. Well, if that works for you, then you could also change the keys for some of the other weapons as well: E: lightning gun Q: grenade launcher F: plasma gun 1: gauntlet 2: machine gun 3: shotgun 4: heavy machine gun You'll see that it is not that hard, and you also won't need to change it that much. On another note, I also changed some other things from this WASD standard and I suggest you give it a go: mouse1: shoot mouse2: jump space: zoom If your mouse has more than three buttons, you can do some other configs that don't deviate that much from the WASD standard that you're so accustomed and in love with. BTW, I'm an über-noob, so don´t take this as a flawless, pro advice, just a friendly suggestion :) From what I can tell, this config that I'm using is the standard in the Brazilian Quake Live community. I'm already giving this video's config a go, so far I'm really enjoying it,.I don't know why, but my LG accuracy has significantly improved, and I'm not even more than 2 days using it. So I guess you should try it as well, but that is a major deviation from what you're used to.
Guys, hear me out: Is it possible to just use your entire mouse for movements purposes and have AIM/Shoot/Misc gadget buttons be mapped to the keyboard instead? Im trying to make the transition from console controller to Kbm, but since ive been using controllers all my life, I have some really bad adaptive issues with Kbm. It always feels like I am playing Piano--not too good i'll add. The mouse being bound to movements made some sense to me.
I have a problem with crouch and what button to bind to.. left control I feel my finger is too short, c I feel I have to move my fingeer off of d which is moving right.. help please hahaha
I use use WASD, then FGCV for nades (this is for csgo btw) aswell Shift and Ctrl. Plus some extra keys. But they aren't used as much. Aswell as i have a macro on my mouse binded to pressing 3 then 1. And button binded to press 2. Its all about what you like.
+T Bag That's cool, the recommendation to switch over is more of a "just in case" for when games need more keys. If you have enough, you're fine for now!
dunno if it's just old school I did inverted mouse all the way back in Duke Nukem 3D and quake 1 .. and always kept it.. Luckily they always include the option to switch, but it's always the first thing you gotta change in any fps game.
so complicated and hard to get comfortable for it for each game. :( but ur ideas are really good to hear, but I cant make different set ups for each game I think. I play usually bf1 bf4 csgo cod and moba. is it even possible in ur opinion to get comfortable by this game pool? (srs) :D
Wondering if: after you rewire yourself to play with this exact setup are you able to switch to WASD same day (for casual games) or you need to rebind the keys like this for every game you play.
Hey, I need some help. My forearms are really big and whenever I left click, my entire arm moves because of my big forearms. Sometimes when I click I aim enough pixles away to miss. I've tried to use V to shoot, but this means I have to use different fingers to move. It is really confusing and hard to learn, should I go forward with this or stop? Anyone with the same issue? Any fixes?
high, just a quick idea here, I've had the same problem with different ways of holding my mouse. I think that your cursor moves just by left clicking, there's a real issue in your grip. reconsider how you hold your mouse. for me it was giving a lot more space to the thumb on my G402, which is a big mouse (for my big hands, 22cm). I realized I was forcing myself to hold it straight cause I thought this would be the most balanced, but it actually hurt my hand and I was uncomfortable. Need to swap between option to realize that the one you were used to was actually bad for you and your health. This also applies to your arm position and general posture (your desk might be too high and your screen too low, for instance). For a quick start about this topic, try and type gaming posture on google, look at the pictures, and find a good article or video.
+RocketJumpNinja On Overwatch you use mouse2 to move? 'Cause with some heroes like Mei or Soldier-76 i need to use the secondary fire. Today i tried using "SDFG" and seems to be not bad
Trying to setup my config for Arma 3, i figured out that I need 3 more hands and an extra keyboard.
Thanks for the laugh :D
xD m8 I played arme 3 for a month I am still not sure that I learned all controls
i was actually looking at your mouse reviews, but would like to point out that you explain very well and your voice is pleasant to hear.
+temujin9000 Very nice of you to say. Thanks!
have you ever tried a gamepad?
just follow the gaming controlling standards and thanks .
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@@MusicalPaladin that's a good joke.
damn now I feel like a fkcn casual.
haha same
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Your thought process about keybinds is soooo thorough. Your brain actually made me smile. Thanks for the great info. I'm going to go change my settings
how in the world does this channel only 2k subs, it has amazing quality contents, and deserves at least 100k subs
+Chun Kit Mak (goodguy172981) thanks goodguy! Well, I started this channel 6 months ago. Should it be bigger after 6 months? I don't know how fast channels grow so... I'm just making the videos I want to and seeing how it goes.
Rocket Jump Ninja (Mouse Reviews and Gaming) good luck to u on your channel, hope it grows bigger in the next 6 months :)
Chun Kit Mak almost there now :D
Took awhile but we're here mate. :)
You read the future
You definitely get a Sub! I was suffering a huge pain in my ass in the form of trying to find a good mouse and all of your videos helped me a lot. Thank you :) Keep up the amazing work, Man!
+JManTastic Thanks! Good to hear they've helped. More vids coming soon!
Unbelievable! After 20 years of Quake, the first person who uses his little finger to jump just as I do! Cheers to you my well-reasoned-out-keybinding-brother!
Except for that +forward on mouse 2, I used pretty much the same reasoning when I arrived at my personal config all these years ago. However, when asking myself where I should put my hand on the keyboard in order to reach as many keys as possible, I ended up with UHJK. That way, there are even more keys your pinky can reach and, even more importantly, your thumb has the very comfortable choice between space and ALT. Before voice communication was a thing, in Quake 2 (especially CTF) we communicated via a whole lot of teamsay bindings. The ALT key came in very handy as a modifier to use for alternate bindings on your easy-to-reach keys. Provided the game supports alternate key bindings, I still use this system (especially helpful for MMOs). Of course by using UHJK you lose that small advantage of having your left an ready to type on ASDF.
All in all I can strongly support the view that is presented here. It really makes a difference. Especially the part about jumping with your pinky and using your thumb for often used functions that should not interfere with the rest of your movement.
Quake 2 CTF represent!
I've actually been using FGHJ lately (F is jump) for the same reason. In Quake, not so important, but in DOOM when there are 2 specials that you can't sacrifice a finger for, the thumb controlling the second fire (space) + grenade (alt) is brilliant.
That's why I was impressed with Roccat keyboards having the extra buttons for your thumb (underneath space bar). The thumb is mostly wasted, so it'd be great if more companies started implementing some kind of thumb feature.
ABSOLUTELY. I had the Roccat Arvo for a while. But only for its size since my UHJK doesn't work with Roccats thumb-button-placement. I loved the idea though and I wish there was more of that, maybe with adjustable placement.
While we are on the topic of things that there should be more of: Did you ever encounter the Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse? It was one of the first (maybe the first?) gaming mice ever. 3 buttons, no wheel and before the time of optical sensors. In my quake days this mouse changed my game completely and to this day I swear by its shape. The shape of that mouse forever set me on the path of a claw/fingertip grip hybrid. Since you really know what you are talking about when it comes to mice, do you have any idea on why there has never been a revival of that particular shape in mice? I have real trouble finding new mice that suit claw/fingertip. Most are aimed at palm grip users. And whenever you (or others) say that THIS is a claw/fingertip mouse, I always compare it to the Logitech Wingman shape and NOTHING comes even close. What's up with that? Maybe an idea for a video. ;)
Guess you might be in the minority that liked it! If something is really popular, they generally remake it... but not always, of course. Could be a lot of reasons, but I'm not sure!
+cataMailman really wish they made a updated version of the MouseMan / WingMan it is the true classic Logitech mouse! Looks uncomfortable but it's the opposite.
I don't know how I went over 8 solid years without finding this channel. Nuts. It's so good but maybe it's good to have this video updated every two years or so cause a lot can change within a couple years. Also you say "z" weird. And you still do lmao
Nice to see someone else still using Mouse2 = forward.
Felt the best when Quake1 was released 20 years ago and since then I never got used to WASD.
My Keys:
Move Forward = Mouse2
Move Backward = W
Strafe Left = Q
Strafe Right = E
Jump = SPACE
Duck = CTRL
Weapons on A S D F R MWheelUp MWheelDown .
Strange but works for me and my basketball paws.
That has to be one of the most unique key configs. I think it's really interesting that you made a config that suited your gameplay perfectly; most people just stay with wasd because it's probably the easiest to pick up.
And you use inverted!? My brain actually hurts thinking about it haha.
+incognito dude Yeah it's all about looking for advantages and smoothing out faults. Also, I got used to un-inverted during my map editing days, and my brain was able to switch between editor and game (inverted) perfectly. Your brain would be fine. ;)
A little less unique now that I and possibly others have copied it :) Still awesome, though (reason for copying it in the first place).
you are literally the only other person I have come across that plays inverted. My dad started me off at probably about 10 playing halflife inverted. The way Think about it is if you were holding a man's head by the hair. forward would take his head forward and vice versa.
Been doing this for years, so happy somebody who shares my key binds, at least edsf
I started playing quake at launch of quake 1 way back in the day, i remember the launch of the TF mod and 2fort4 and well6, so im pretty oldschool too. I used to be inverted on mouse and RMB to walk forward. This video brings back some memories. Maybe ill go back to that.
That's a sick config.
When Quake 1 and 2 came out, I used to move on mouse 2. And use invert look option. It was fun, and could hit anyone moving with railgun. Now I think i would fall of the chair with invert option. Awesome videos, and very good reviews. Keep up the good work. I bought that mouse you are holding mostly because old school Quake player said it is very good.
+Sasa Thanks!
ive been watching you mouse reviews for a while and never noticed you did a fae reveal.. then i saw your video with tech yes city and was like what so i looked to see if you've ever done a face reveal before and turns out you did and i loved that video and all your positive videos youve made for mental health and also just for bettering someones life
Very good vid man .
Really helped !
your videos with a bit of "comedy" would become the best channel of mouses ever created
Great videos and very good reviews!I am sure your channel will grow! :) keep it up
+Nikola Ninkovic Thanks! Let's hope so :)
Thanks for this. I've been a controller gamer my whole life (just built my gaming pc in march 2015) and for FPS I'm transitioning to kb/m because I love the accuracy of mouse aiming. ESDF makes more sense to me. I'll mess around with that for a while. :-)
Thanks!
+NW You're welcome, have fun. :)
Inverts 4 the win :) Personally i use the num pad section for my config. unconventional, but i find i can always find my keys because there against the side of the KB, Helps keeps my arms more inline and comfortable to.
5:20 was actually an interesting point to bring up. I had a friend who would have really predictable strafing patterns while they talk and then they'd get upset for doing bad so they'd stop talking and concentrate. Immediately afterwards their movement would be completely different and they'd improve dramatically. After this happened a few times I asked them if their push to talk was v or something instead of mouse 4 like I have. It was. When they talked they couldn't strafe everywhere they wanted so when they stopped talking and concentrated they were free to move more freely.
+Majin Krocket haha yeah that's it! Somewhat related story, I had a friend who bound push-to-talk to his taunt key, so in the videos it'd look like he was taunting after killing people, but he was actually just talking to us. Funny stuff.
my key config is
forward:space
back:d
left:s
right:f
and everything else is regular like mouse1 and mouse2
oh yea jump is E
tf
lmao that is so confusing
I would SERIOUSLY consider making "A" your jump, having it on "E" seems incredibly hindering.
I was certain that I´ve read that your jump was on "E", no idea why...
Where is your jump, though?
My setup for BF1:
Im currently experimenting with alternative configs for BF1 but there's soo many actions you need readibly available. My main goal however is to never let my fingers of the movement keys, ESDF.
Move: ESDF
Sprint: <
Prone: Z
Crouch: CapsLock (reprogrammed to "O")
Spot: A
Gasmask: C
Reload: V (Default i R which requires movement fingers)
Bayonette/melee: B
Nade: N
I've been thinking about moving ways to ASDF for movement to remove the ~0,1 seconds that it takes to switch button when using only middle finger for both forward and backwards. Gonna try your config with a mouse key for forward movement!
I use ESDF for movement m2 for jump and space for zoom or sec fire. and the rest depends on the game but multiple weapons are generally on 234 qaz
I've always used inverted aswell, it's never been a question in my mind since i started playing video games it just feels more natural that way.
This is a game changer!! I've been using ESDF for years playing CSGO, and other games with it. But using a similar keybind setup for fortnite feels clean. I love that I almost never have to worry about have two conflicting binds for one finger. I'm more of an Xbox fortnite player, but I'm definitely gonna play a lot more on pc with this setup
Can i see your config for cs?
My fingers started feeling uncomfortable while watching you do this
I use m2 for walking as well. S and D for strafe. F for backwards. A for alt fire. (
I have been watching your channel for a while now and I just stumbled upon this video I need to sleep these are the wackest keybinds I have ever seen but if it works for you it works for you.
Nice video. Thanks!
I took your keybinds and started using them in QL for test. After 2 hours I can definietly see long term improvements in my strafing and overall movement. The only thing I can't understand is inverted mouse. I simply can't see real benefits switching to inverted mouse. What was your reasoning to use it in first place? Does it feel more natural?
normal mouse > inverted mouse
At one point I found out about keyboards with different layouts, and later got interested in the Colemak layout and then 60% keyboards. Colemak was interesting because it puts the most used keys in the home row (where your fingers would normally sit on a keyboard). It's made for effiency, in turn you can potentially type faster and it's also more comfortable (realised I didn't like QWERTY).
I got the 60% POK3R kb because you can switch it to to Colemak with dip switches and it's smaller, which gives more space for mouse.
I thought about how I could make my CS:GO key config more efficient. I hate using the number keys for weapon switching so instead I bound them to the scroll wheel.
Scroll down, primary. Scroll up, secondary (
Interesting video, I've actually never liked using the traditional WSAD keyboard layout, I always used SDFG for movement which seems very similar to your suggestion.
ive always felt that having to use extra muscles on my hand while aiming pushes my aim off a tiny bit
Hey I have been watching your videos for sometime now and I really enjoy and apreeciate them alot! I was wondering which one is better the Steelseries Rival or the Steelseries Rival 100. As always thanks for the videos man.
+CloudV3 Thanks! And the Rival 300 is better quality and my preferred mouse, but the Rival 100 is a decent cheap option.
In BF1 I've just switched to m2 s d f, though I've swapped jump onto one of the side mouse buttons and placed sprint on A. Reason being that you sprint *a lot* and holding two mouse buttons gets exhausting.
I have spot on E as it's easy to reach and used constantly while strafing.
Primary and secondary weapons on Q, W, and the two gadgets are on R, G.
Crouch is on backslash, prone on z, interact on c, gas mask on caps
Mouse 2 for forward is going to be difficult to get used to. We'll see if I stick with it.
I'm gonna try this EXACT setup for a few rounds just for laughs. And then I'm gonna swap from wasd to esdf because that was a great point I never considered :)
I use a "standard" wasd configuration and space to jump and I also use my thumb on the left alt-key for melee attacks.
I dont think I would do too well with ur setup,though.
I really enjoy your background music, it is a music that you composed of you just found it?
I use YGHJ for extra mouse space and the options for my thumb being more than just a couple buttons
I use UHJK whenever I can. It allows my pinky to do way more and it's much easier to hop my thumb between R-alt and space than it is to do so between space and L-alt when using WASD or ESDF. I also try to avoid having to hold mouse2 'cause it fucks with my aim, so I usually use V to aim, then I set mouse2 to some tap-function, like toggle crouch.
Been looking for this comment. I switched to UHJK about a year ago. Use it on every game and it allows my pinky, but for me more importantly my thumb, to not only use space for jump but right alt and even delete next to that. It's so much more convenient to free up your other fingers. And saves half a keyboard of space on the desk. Best thing I've ever done for my game. Also use V for sprint and mouse 4 for crouch
Holy shit that was so interesting really made me really think of my config
+Daniel Burgos That's cool, glad it's helped. I'll be doing more videos like this, stay tuned!
+Rocket Jump Ninja good thing I subbed so I'm always going to stay in the know ;)
+Daniel Burgos That's the spirit! :D
Mouse 2 forward ftw! I use a strange key config as I started playing before WASD was a thing. I had gotten used to it and even though I can use WASD when needed, it is not comfortable for me.
I don't like the plane-comparison for invert mouse, because you are not really controlling a plane. ;)
The reason why invert mouse always felt more logical to me is that you use the mouse to control your head. If you put your hand on the top of your head and pull back, you look up.
If you put your hand on your chin and pull back, you look down...
@@DeanJarratt That's a valid point in case you use your mouse by grabbing it from the bottom, I guess.
@@vergeofapathy I said chin, not bottom. :)
I use invert y on a controller because of muscle movement for my head as well. The muscles pull back to look up and push forward to look down. It just makes sense to me but everyone I know says I'm a psycho for using invert. I can't use inverted mouse though, it just doesn't work for me. It's cool to see someone else has the same logic as me for why invert makes sense though.
@@vincentowen3669 on controller it really makes sense and feels natural
Damn.Even this this was 1 year ago it helped .TY
Thanks for the vid. Any chance of a vid about improving rocket aim?
+Dave crabs All good, I'll add it to the list, will try to get one down when I have time.
One of my friends when he plays mouse and keyboard he uses the THUMB to press CTRL, SHIFT and CAPS if needed. He natively is a console player but he's good with M&K for some arcane reason.
If a game doesn't require many keys to access, would you just recommend wasd, space, and the mouse as a standard configuration for an fps?
Also, I've never seen anyone use mouse 2 to move forward, what advantages does that have over standard wasd?
Fantastic vid, keep up the good work.
+HAM Reyes Thanks! I explained the advantage of mouse2 as forward in the vid though.
And no, I'd recommend all players get used to a key location that allows for access to many keys, so when they do change to other games, they won't run out or have to change then. Good habits early, that's the key!
Hello ninja, I wanna know whether it is worth it to try different configs if I play hero shooter games like Paladins or Overwatch. What would you recommend?
i use my g502 buttons for most of my other buttons so that i dont have to move off of my arrow keys
So, I just switched to your key configuration three days ago and I´m already pretty used to it. I would say I´m almost as good as I was before with WASD (which isn´t good at all but still :) ) and while I´m a bit worried about wearing out the soft touch finish of Mouse2 on my XTD Optical way faster, overall I find my left hand to be way less cramped and in a much more comfortable position.
But I find the mouse itself to feel heavier with the right hand fatiguing a tad more quickly.
I currently almost exclusively play Dirty Bomb and often need to hold down keys for extended periods without hindering movement and for that I haven´t found any button more suited than CAPS-LOCK and I had to turn on "Toggle Use" for the "Use" function. Other than that it´s fine for me and being able to move from spawn (or in general anywhere) with just my right hand is super convenient, as well, as it allows for you to take a drink or scratch yourself or whatever else you might want to do :)
Still using it over a month later and I can't even imagine using anything else like WASD :) Mouse2 is infact fairly worn down but it´s top finish isn´t of the greatest quality anyways. Totally worth it.
So, apparently 6 months from the first comment later, I am obviously still using this config. Well, I actually moved it to FGHJ a couple of months ago. It's basically the same but more centered, giving you access to the ALT button to the right of the space bar.
Love it. Thank you Zy. Seriously. For both, introducing me to Quake and to your config.
And I still play mostly Dirty Bomb and Quake Live.
By the way, future David, the current date is 04.01.2018, 02:14.
how's the config going future david?
Now this is funny. I did not receive any notification that someone replied to this. I just came back here to confirm for myself that it has really already been a year since I have set up this config :) Good that I'm only 3 weeks late.
So yeah, I still use and love it! I yesterday swapped Jump (F->Mouse 1) and Fire (Mouse 1->F) just to try it out and then I played a bit of QL Instagib like that. But I'm gonna stay with my normal config. I can't see myself changing it permanently any time soon but I might experiment a bit. Experimenting does mess with your muscle memory quite hard, though ;)
I'm still using that exact Kone XTD Optical for the most part but at this particular moment I'm having a Kone EMP on my mousepad.
@@lDavidl This is a really interesting reply thread. I'm glad I stumbled onto this as well as the video. Thinking about giving ESDF a try, although I don't play games in the Quake series. Probably wouldn't matter though
Subbed ;) thank you for reminding me my loved game
I use this:
movement: WASD
Crouch: Shift
Walk: C and Ctrl
Fire: M1
Jump: M2
Rocket launcher: 4
Railgun: 2
Shotgun: 3
LG: E
Guantlet: 1
Nade: X
HMG: Z
MG: F
Plasma gun: G
BFG10K: B
This config made me a lot better at the game than other configs.
Bottomline is no matter how weird a keybind setup is you can get used to it. For example I Switched to jumping with RMB one week ago, space to zoom. Had been using space to jump since back in the 90:s. Was super awkward for a number of days. Could strafe jump with it but if I tried to shoot at the same time with LMB it would throw me off. Especially clicking and not holding LMB while strafe jumping felt impossible. Now though one week later it feels great. Playing better than ever with the setup. Occasionally I am instinctively still pressing space to jump if things get very hectic but will disappear in time.
Next thing I am doing is changing my wasd setup to yghj. Also ordered a keyboard without a numpad. Want the best ergonomic setup possible. Lowered my sens a lot same time I switched to RMB jump. Found I was getting some shoulder discomfort after doing this however. Just seems smart to be able to keep the mouse more towards the center of your body hence yghj and no numpad.
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How do you move forward when playing games that require both mouse buttons for shooting? Like Unreal Tournament?
I use WAXD cuz for me x key still easy to use and s to fire cuz easy. I use left and right keys for strafing as well as a secondary keybind. I use scroll wheel for somthing i can do repeatedly really fast (change weapon?) and the l-alt for an ability or switch weapon. I use space for another ability and a tab key normally for jump (idk it works for me)
I also noticed that at least on mechs when you use spacebar it is so strange and I start to want to use some other key :D
I had not seen any youtuber as smart as you
I love u 7w7
Thats really interesting
Where do you get the music for your videos? Wish you had a soundtrack put out that just had all the songs you use in your vids lol
This is going to be a rough couple of months, even my typing has been based off wasd. Hopefully this will also get my typing speed up.
What mouse is he using?
I’m still gonna be using WASD since I have to be able to hit a larger key such as TAB within 0.1-2 seconds, just can’t use anything else
30 mins in csgo and my brain almost melted XD i see the benefits of remaping your binds, but... it feels like its too late you know ? not sure if i can handle 1 or 2 month of being unable to play properly...but as i said, i see why..=)
Hey Zy, do you know some pro players using RMB for jump? what do you think about this? I was practicing with strife jump and I really get comfortable with RMB jump except Space
I've been using ESDF for movement for a long time (old timer FPS gamer here also). I never understood why ppl wanted to use WASD... your hands naturally rest on the keyboard to type at ESDF. I also use inverted y-axis like you. Playing CSGO ppl are always amazed to know you use inverted y-axis but like you said it seems intuitive coming from a flight sim perspective.
ESDF feels weird on my fingers, I've only gotten use to WASD and the Arrow Keys for Quake. It's just that awkward feeling in your hands and it's just not okay for me.
Do you think it could have been used in other games like rainbow six for example?
Hey, Zy. Nice tips you have there. Id like to share my config with my opinion. In OW i main Tracer and my cfg actually trails back from Q2. Mouse2 - jump, mouse1 - attack1, mouse3 - ult(throw bomb), mouse4 - recall. The reason i bind jump to mouse2 is cuz i used to bhop alot, and there was one day at a internet cafe where i saw the admin playing q3 and usin mouse2 to jump alot. I didnt know bhoping back then, but i felt like this would be the most suited jump bind for me.
Now the keyboard. I grew up playing lots of nes and sega games, so my hands are used to be close together while using game controllers. Combining it with low sens i moved my movement keys like so: keypad8 - fwd, keypad5 - back, kp4 - strafe left, kp6 - strafe right. I used to play alot of HLDM back in the days, and you use longjump module very often there. So i had my bind to space to longjump. Similary, in OW i bind Tracer's blink to kp_enter. It leaves me with the same feeling of a short forward dash. Quick melee goes to kp_plus. Reloading - kp_period.
Sometimes i imagine how ppl could react should i end up in a progaming career. Like a guy, who moves his keyboard one full length left before the matchstart :D
They will be like "whoa look at that grandpa over there!"
You have taken my keyboard brain to a new world of crazy. xD IDK if I could ever get used to it because I am a CS player! Do you use this key configuration in CS? I am guessing so.
+TheGamingDildacorn Sure do.
Mouse 2 as forward what kind of evolution step did i miss?
pfft, how to get good, if using wasd, bind s to nothing and don't assign backward to any key.
+Kmah smith haha
Sometimes you have to backpedal, to go forward.
Do you play FPS games like Call of Duty? In Modern Warfare 2019 (including free-to-play Warzone) you can run, sprint and "tactical sprint" (3 speeds of forward movement). Also, you would typically aim down sights (ADS) before firing your weapon. Would you use SPACE? I tried it, seems unlearnable. :-) As a console gamer trying to learn keyboard, I'm curious what key binds you would use. I hate the default alternatives to CROUCH (left-CTRL or C).
I like the config but would change the scope button from spacebar to something else because I use my thumb to hit the bottom rows of keys. If i were to zoom with spacebar i wouldnt be able to hit any other key on the bottom row. I don't know any other key to use for zoom though if i used this config.
this is going to sound so cringe but you changed my life its been like two years using esdf and its so much better than the standard wasd
i mostly play wow and csgo and i use wasd to move, started my pc gaming with action quake 2 where i used wasd, space jump, f bandage, q throw weapon and swich to knife, c mian weapon and mouse 2 + scroll 3 zoom lvls. now in csgo i use all those buttons + e mouse 3,4 and 5 and 1-6. only issue ive had is that i had q as use last weapon and then i had pistol on 2 ak 1 and knife 3, but when using awp
you need to switch to your knife then back to awp to move and shoot fast again. so since i use wasd i couldnt move left while changing, so changed my q to pistol and then mouse 4 and 5 knife and awp so now i just swipe my thumb across the 2 mousebuttons to switch to knife and back instantly and no sort of nerf. everything that requires movement of my hand/fingers are things that i dont need to move while using, like nades since you dont pull out a nade while looking at someone in csgo :D pistol on q tho? never had an issue there. also use shift and ctrl for duck and walk and both scroll and space for jumping. also v to talk in game
I use RDFG for movement, D for Shift and Z for Ctrl
I got jump on wheel down. i personally think it's better than pressing a button because in the games i play u are able to bunnyhop.
I used to use right mouse button for forward in my Quake 2 days...at some point, many years ago, went to wasd. Thinking of going back to what I used to do but my main concern is a lot of games have secondary fire. It is nice having that on m2. I guess if a gun has secondary fire it doesn't have a zoom so the space bar could then be used for it. Could see some control clashes with games though. Will have to experiment.
What is the mouse2 button?
Hmm. I heard on some obscure forum a few years ago that ESDF would be a good configuration vs WASD when it comes to first person shooters. At first I mocked that person, but now I think they might be right...ESDF means that my fingers have access to more keys, and moving one key further from my side keys doesn't really matter as much since I have large hands.
I used m2 for move forward growing up because this is how people played in like action quake and classic team fortress and at some point I switched to W forward but I don't really remember why or when that happened.
Oh shit ACTION QUAKE! If you liked AQ2, check out "Reaction" on Steam Greenlight.
Did you play Doom 2 on DWANGO?I come from that era and I played RMB move forward for many years until people kept telling me I shouldn't do that in the 3D world in the late 90s. Then Doom 2 had no RMB function so it was fine. It's just funny you said you came from the old school and use that same config - I had almost totally put it off. I played a game of QC with it and it was still in muscle memory but a little rough.
This is great and all, but I'm never gonna stop using WASD/space jump/m2 aim/scroll wheel cycle xD
Scroll wheel cycle? Why? That's way slower than binding the keys around your WASD hand and will get you killed 90% of the time my friend.
Yeah, I agree with Marcus. You can play this old WASD standard alright, but you should probably drop the scroll cycle. This part seems pretty bad, mate. Besides taking too much to find the right weapon, you have to scroll to the right point and the scroll wheel distance will vary accordingly to what weapon you're currently using and to what weapon you want to change to. Besides taking too long, it is prone to error, pretty hard to memorize and pull off that in the middle of a fast paced fight. I suggest you at least try this:
mousewheeldown: rocket
mousewheelup: rail
It will not change that much your config and it will unbind two of your number keys. Well, if that works for you, then you could also change the keys for some of the other weapons as well:
E: lightning gun
Q: grenade launcher
F: plasma gun
1: gauntlet
2: machine gun
3: shotgun
4: heavy machine gun
You'll see that it is not that hard, and you also won't need to change it that much.
On another note, I also changed some other things from this WASD standard and I suggest you give it a go:
mouse1: shoot
mouse2: jump
space: zoom
If your mouse has more than three buttons, you can do some other configs that don't deviate that much from the WASD standard that you're so accustomed and in love with.
BTW, I'm an über-noob, so don´t take this as a flawless, pro advice, just a friendly suggestion :) From what I can tell, this config that I'm using is the standard in the Brazilian Quake Live community.
I'm already giving this video's config a go, so far I'm really enjoying it,.I don't know why, but my LG accuracy has significantly improved, and I'm not even more than 2 days using it. So I guess you should try it as well, but that is a major deviation from what you're used to.
Marcus Munitions would you recommend side buttons on the mouse?
Yeah, that's fine. Whatever works, except for using scroll wheel for anything
Kang The Mad in csgo i use wheel down as jump but the space is still jumping so i use both
Am a controller player , is there any settings i need to do as a beginer for keyboard player.
Guys, hear me out: Is it possible to just use your entire mouse for movements purposes and have AIM/Shoot/Misc gadget buttons be mapped to the keyboard instead? Im trying to make the transition from console controller to Kbm, but since ive been using controllers all my life, I have some really bad adaptive issues with Kbm. It always feels like I am playing Piano--not too good i'll add. The mouse being bound to movements made some sense to me.
how do you config your keys with a game like overwatch?
I have a problem with crouch and what button to bind to.. left control I feel my finger is too short, c I feel I have to move my fingeer off of d which is moving right.. help please hahaha
how about your key config for other games, such as Overwatch?
I don't get how you use those keys. personaly if I was to change I would esdf because more surrounding keys
great vids
I use use WASD, then FGCV for nades (this is for csgo btw) aswell Shift and Ctrl. Plus some extra keys. But they aren't used as much. Aswell as i have a macro on my mouse binded to pressing 3 then 1. And button binded to press 2. Its all about what you like.
+T Bag That's cool, the recommendation to switch over is more of a "just in case" for when games need more keys. If you have enough, you're fine for now!
dunno if it's just old school I did inverted mouse all the way back in Duke Nukem 3D and quake 1 .. and always kept it.. Luckily they always include the option to switch, but it's always the first thing you gotta change in any fps game.
+Pytte Yeah that's true... I think I was using the same in Duke as well.
Do you use this setup for all the games that you play and do you still use this setup today?
so complicated and hard to get comfortable for it for each game. :( but ur ideas are really good to hear, but I cant make different set ups for each game I think. I play usually bf1 bf4 csgo cod and moba. is it even possible in ur opinion to get comfortable by this game pool? (srs) :D
Wondering if: after you rewire yourself to play with this exact setup are you able to switch to WASD same day (for casual games) or you need to rebind the keys like this for every game you play.
answering my comment. yes you can. i can go now both the setup from this video and WASD on fly.
Can someone recommend a config for something like csgo or overwatch
Hey, I need some help.
My forearms are really big and whenever I left click, my entire arm moves because of my big forearms.
Sometimes when I click I aim enough pixles away to miss.
I've tried to use V to shoot, but this means I have to use different fingers to move.
It is really confusing and hard to learn, should I go forward with this or stop?
Anyone with the same issue? Any fixes?
high, just a quick idea here, I've had the same problem with different ways of holding my mouse. I think that your cursor moves just by left clicking, there's a real issue in your grip. reconsider how you hold your mouse. for me it was giving a lot more space to the thumb on my G402, which is a big mouse (for my big hands, 22cm). I realized I was forcing myself to hold it straight cause I thought this would be the most balanced, but it actually hurt my hand and I was uncomfortable. Need to swap between option to realize that the one you were used to was actually bad for you and your health. This also applies to your arm position and general posture (your desk might be too high and your screen too low, for instance). For a quick start about this topic, try and type gaming posture on google, look at the pictures, and find a good article or video.
+RocketJumpNinja
On Overwatch you use mouse2 to move? 'Cause with some heroes like Mei or Soldier-76 i need to use the secondary fire. Today i tried using "SDFG" and seems to be not bad
Your secondary fire would lay on the spacebar with this config.
Do you play Overwatch with this configuration?
Awaiting that Mionix Castor review
+PhiZaRoaH This weekend!