Muscle Cars 1967
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I was surprised when you said that your muscle car videos don't get alot of views. You are about the only person who presents these cars for what they are. It would be interesting in the future if you did a video on cars like the Pontiac OHC Sprint, Buick 340 - 350 GS, 273 Plymouth Formula S and similar cars. Almost forgot the personal luxury cars, there were so many interesting cars made in this time period. Thanks I have been waiting for this video for a long time.
Yeah, it's strange that people don't watch these so much... Honestly, I'd probably be watching obsessively if Greg presented the history of sewing machines or fun-fair attractions - let alone some of the most revered machines in automotive history :)
Please keep to your style of presentation and the mix of period marketing material and explanation of technical details, which make your car videos highly interesting. These automotive videos offer a unique glimpse of the car industry. I cannot praise too highly how diligently you use primary sources of information whenever possible. Many thanks!
Well it's a good filter for knowing how many of his viewers are geezers.....
There’s a lot of competition when people search “muscle car history” vs attracting plane guys.
I found this channel through the muscle car videos, can’t believe more people don’t watch it.
Greg, you warmed this old Mopar freak's heart at the end there... Though I concur with the general body quality comments. And the transition from bias ply to radials - GEEZ! I bought my AAR 'Cuda in 1974 with a set of cheap Pos-A-Traction Torque Twister bias plies on it in E60-15 front and G60-15 rear, the OEM tire stagger for the AAR and T/A Challenger. When I (quickly) wore them down and replaced them with a set of the first-gen Goodrich Radial T/A's (the small tread blocks...), FR60-15 all around, the transformation was utterly astonishing to my 19 year old self. A good friend of mine had a 67 383 Barracuda and it was a hoot - that second generation A body Barracuda was a very nice car, though my personal choice would be a 68 with a 340 and a 4 speed. Good, balanced package. Thanks for the in-depth and very objective look at the 67s! Quality work as always, sir!
That 69-69 Barracuda with the 340 and 4 speed was a really great car.
I lived and breathed this era, Greg knows his stuff.
Our lives were just like the American Grafitti movie!
I had a weird 67 Chevelle SS396. It was a convertible, power glide, and bench seats. Bought it used in 70. Sold it in 82. Wish I still had it.
Your pleasure in the subject comes through in the presentation.
I've always found the first gen GTO with the vertically stacked headlights to be particularly pleasing to the eye. Also it's always a little sad when you look at the plethora of colors and schemes available from manufacturers back then compared to today where every vehicle line is offered in silver, white, black and maybe one or two other colors.
The first GTOs (1964) had horizontal quad headlites. Different body too iirc.
Yah, the paint color were certainly more interesting then.
@@rogersmith7396 Pontiac was one of the first if not the first manufacturer to offer stacked dual headlights going back to 1963 in their bonneville and catalina models. The '62 Chrysler 300 had headlamps one atop the other but they were set at an angle.
I totally agree with the look of the stacked headlights. Very appealing indeed
The GTO with stacked headlights is the only car I think actually looks great with. Some of the later Fairlanes were OK, but other than those, stacked headlights look awful to me.
if they only knew then , so many were ordered with a black interior , maybe half or more my guess.
one of those 442's bought me an "exhibition of speed" ticket that was really expensive...
Thanks for the "uncle tony" plug! I love the guy- such a genuine person, great channel even tho im not a mopar guy, hemakes me want to pull a 440 out of a scrap yard RV and plop it in my 79 vett
I haven't seen too many of his videos, but I do like what I have seen.
Uncle Tony is the real deal.
LOL! You prolly wouldn't like the truck version of the 440 in your Vette! Even the Magnum version of the 440 for cars (which Greg forgot to mention came out in '67) was a rather slow turning engine... as Nick's Garage shows on his dyno torque peaks down around 2500 RPMs and HP peaks at a basic 4600 RPMs... and the "375 HP" is prolly a bit of a stretch... and the truck version is two levels below that... 1 level below the '66 and earlier 350 HP 440 car engine... which was torquey but also sluggish if you tried to rev it...
$200 in cams and pistons will bump your '79 Vette SBC 350 to a more hyper 375 HP at 5900 RPMs without all the weight of a 440...
Keep it going Greg, KEEP IT GOING! These videos are educational GOLD, automotive AND aviation. I can't wait until you get to 1970. We need to revive the Buick Stage 1- Hemi GTX rivalry! P.S.- Love the Uncle Tony reference!
Even though I've always loved cars, I haven't spent much time watching YT videos on them... I got into your channel because of WW2 planes, but also watch your muscle car videos and absolutely love them! Thanks!
Great video. I talked my mom into getting a set of the then brand-new Firestone Wide Oval bias plies as replacement tires on our 1965 383 4V Sport Fury. They were the first low aspect ratio tire (.70 vs the then standard of .82). She was none too happy when they wore out after 4k miles, sporting a bald strip up the middle. Firestone put out a cover their ass press release that the excessive wear was due to people driving the Wide Ovals harder when the opposite was true; I was trying to baby them because they were wearing out so fast. We replaced them with a set of Pirelli Cinturato's, the first radial to be marketed for American cars. I remember Pirelli recommended heavy duty shocks and revised alignment numbers when switching to radials. As a general comment, all the muscle cars of the era tended to eat front tires when driven hard due to their front-end weight bias. I remember a friend wearing out the fronts on his parents Ford GTA driving curvy roads, then rotating the fronts to the rear and getting all kinds of crap that he must have been doing burn outs to wear out the rears like that.
I had the same problem with a 93 Ford Ranger pickup that I had, the stock tires on it were 255's and on the rear they'd get bald strips in the center just a little too fast, after a couple of years of rotating the tires constantly I got sick of that, I determined that Ford had to rate the tire pressure for a loaded bed so I just dropped about 8 psi out of the rear tires since I rarely ever had anything in the back and the problem went away.
There's one hitch however, once I loaded it up with firewood and within a mile of getting on a paved road the back end was all over the place, I quickly realized that I'd completely forgotten about my lower pressure in the rear tires but it wasn't anything that the air pump in the first gas station I came across didn't remedy.
??? ... The front tires on our muscle cars lasted for a decade... the back tires about 1 - 3 months!
We didn't rotate them because we had bigger wider tires on the rear...
Even earlier with my '62 Jetfire, I put new Sears tires on it with a 30 month warranty... I was back after 9 months wanting them replaced for free... but they said I had bought them on sale and now at full price, the warranty adjustment price would cost more than simply buying other tires they had on sale...
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My father bought a new 67 model, in November of 1966. Not quite a muscle car, but a VW Beetle. It did though have a new engine. 3 more ponies that the prior year, to 53HP. I went to the dealership, with him, as a 2nd grader.
"4 on the floor", though quite sloppy, when I finally got to drive it 8 years later.
VW Beetles always sounded noisy/clattering, but when I rode in a friend's '60's Super Beetle I was surprised that inside it you leave all that noise behind and it's quiet...
Uncle Tony has acknowledged the poor quality of the classic Mopars that he loves.
I didn't know that. It makes sense though, he seems like a straight shooter.
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My 70 rr had terrible trunk rust when it was 12 years old. :/
Yess, the saga continues! This is a fascinating look to a completely different era. I can't view them as cars, I can only view them as pleasure on wheels. And I've been only looking at them! And that sound...
My favourites are the '70 Challenger, 2nd gen Chargers and 1st gen Camaros. (Thanks to Quentin Tarantino) I'm looking forward to them. :)
Your knowledge brings much insight into this era of cheap fuel and colourful paint.
I guess it was a completely different era. I pumped gasoline at .19 cents a gallon for regular and .21 cents for ethyl. If you went all out you could spend .24 cents per gallon for the "White Pump" gasoline at Chevron or Standard stations. 103 octane plus. The regular was 92 octane and the ethyl was 98 octane. They were loaded with Tetra-ethyl lead. Kept the pinging from happening on the high 10.5 to 11.0 compression ratios. That is why some people wanted the lower CR engines. They could run regular gasoline. Gas got expensive in 1973.
@@allenarneson4349 I remember my mum telling me a litre (a thousandth of a cubic metre) of petrol cost like 4 Kčs (Czechoslovak crowns), today it's around 35 Kč (Czech crowns, basically a continuation currency) - but that's a pre-war price, I can see it rising. I personally remember it being around 20 Kč at the start of the century.
Excellent detailed summary, love the year by year comparison that you do!
Please do 1968 and the years up to 1971. That would be awesome. These videos are amazing and I'm learning so much👍
Thanks Greg for covering the 67' muscle car scene with the same thoroughness as your aircraft videos. It takes me back to my first car, a 67 360hp GTO to which I later added a ram-air tub and camshaft. While it was never as fast as I wanted, it scared a lot of folks idling thru the drive in on Saturday night. As I recall, the new for 67 Rochester Quatrajet carb was a source of frustration for many backyard tuners who longed for the tried and true Rochester two barrels on the tri-power, along with it's unforgettable catacylismitic yoweling sound when the two end carbs opened. For many, the tri-power had been the hallmark of Pontiac performance for the previous 10 years. Your point is well taken about the finess needed to launch one of these babies on the stock "wide oval" tires of the day.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane!
As a non car guy, most of this is new to me. Thanks for making the video.
This is new and very informational even for car guys! Im in the muscle car groups with all the american boomers and 99% wouldn't k ow half of the info here. Greg does his homework! I wish he wrotebooks!
Nice, was waiting for this for a long time
I love how your favorite kept changing! My aunt bought a new 1967 gto! That car seemed very fast to me as a young kid standing in the back seat. Unfortunately she got in a pretty bad wreck, she wasn’t hurt too bad, but the car was totaled. Beautiful green color, would be nice to have one like it.
Great vid. 67 is the best year for me cause dashboards weren't padded at all. And finally UTG will approve your choice of the GTX 😁
He might take offense that I called the 67' GTX junk. Then again, he might understand I think it's an awesome piece of junk, which is a hard concept for me to get my head around, but cars are not all about logic, there is an emotional aspect to them.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I think Tony would understand. He's well aware of his own biases, and I suspect he loves some engines, not in spite of their flaws, but because of them.
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I suspect Uncle Tony is more about the engines than the body packages. After all he put a Slant 6 in a Miata.
Despite being mainly an aviation junkie this series is amazingly good and I rewatch its videos all the time. I hope you continue it but I understand if you stop.
I turned 21 in 1967. Was I n the navy, so buying one of these was just a dream, but wee sure had fun talking about them.
Great video Greg! As with the other muscle car videos you’ve done! The “muscle” car terminology has been blurred, mid-used, over used, and flat out wrongly used in the last 50 years since they first appeared on the streets of America. Glad to have the information from a reliable source to hopefully set the “misinformed” straight!
My parents had a GTO this year in a drab olive color or was it tan..the curve on the rear quarter goes away in later years I think. memories.. Great vid Greg! I love the curve rear window of the Barracuda in the background at 14:50
As someone who wasn't alive to experience the muscle car era for myself, when these cars were plentiful and cheap, it truly feels like an honor to be able to own one.
I've kept my 67 GS400 as close to the way it left the factory as possible. It is a blast to drive, the torque is amazing and the ST400 transmission never gets old. I drive my car a lot, so I keep radials on it, the FR70-14 bias look-radials seem comically small for a car that outputs this much power. I can't even imagine what it would be like on bias plys.
It does have a 455 in it currently, but it is a bone stock 72/73 motor, so I'd be willing to bet power is comparable to the much higher compression 400. I've run dozens of 14.0 passes, and I am dying to crack into the 13s with it. I think I am going to give in and replace the 2.93s with 3.55s this winter. I also have an ST300 converter that should help add some rpm on the footbrake.
One last observation from my years of owning this car. Buick drum brakes are actually pretty amazing. The aluminum drums make a significant performace improvement over cast iron. They work so well, I really have no intentions of ever going to disc. It hauls the car down from 100mph in a hurry and I never have an issue making the first turnoff at the track.
Now of course, the difference between drums and discs would show when you attempt that for a second or third time. 😅
6:29 There was a 1968 Super Bee that lived thru 4 guys at our town and was fast with 383 and 4 speed. It would smoke my Mustang. Then there was Kurt and his 1969 convert Road Runner, one of 4 build and one of 3 alive today, with 426 4 spd. U can see this car at major car shows. It is purple with white top. That car would do a 180 at highway speeds if u punched it.
I thought 1967 would ever come. Thank you for this Greg.
Those tires were not only bias ply, but really skinny too. Not a good combination with tons of low end torque.
And despite how crazy fast cars are these days, they will never have the soul the cars of this era had.
Good one as always Greg! I think the GTX 440 4 speed cars also had a Dana 60 rear end IIRC. Probably the Dodge version too.
Yeah, 440 and Hemi 4 speed cars got the bigger rear end as Greg showed on the chart...
Though not exactly muscle cars, my dad surprised my mom (and the entire family...he was a very predictable engineer focused on his company), with a brand new white '68 T-Bird Coupe with the 429 (and NO landau top thank God...a much sleeker look) loaded with nearly every option. What a torque beast it was and my parents loved it. My dad was so enthralled with it, six months later he bought a used '67 4 door landau with the optional 428. The 429 was rated at 365 bhp and the 428 had 345 bhp. As much as the 429 was a brute, the 428 was my favorite, whisper quiet and very refined. Nowhere near as fast (and Ford's carburetors for both were awful), the 428 was very wafty and just downright delightful as a long distance cruiser. After adding extra heavy duty shocks to both cars, they became remarkably nimble drivers. Always liked the combination of soft springs and heavy duty shocks for ride quality on luxury cars, transforming those wallowy boats into sprightly handlers for their weight.
Thanks for diluting my feed with something not related to the World politics.
Hey Greg! I've heard numerous times about the various Dodge cars having a 1" longer wheelbase than their Plymouth counterparts (i.e.: Valiant vs Dart). I've heard that this was to give the impression that even though the Dodge was more expensive, you were getting a "bigger" car for the higher price. I've also heard that in fact they both rode on the exact same frame and the only difference was that the Dodge had modified leaf spring hangers that moved the rear axle 1" further aft and hence the "longer" wheelbase. Have you heard this?
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Hi Pete, no I haven't heard that. I can tell you that I have measured an E body Plymouth and Dodge side by side, and the Dodge's wheelbase is longer.
Mainstream Chrysler Corp. cars from this era did not have a true full-length frame - they were of the "unibody" construction. They had a short(ish) "sub-frame" in the front (roughly reaching the driver's seat), and the rest of the body was unitized, that is - the structural elements were formed from the body's sheet metal itself (with some reinforcing here and there), without the need for separate frame rails running under the floor. As a by-product of this design, it was relatively easy to make cars with different wheelbase lengths, as you didn't have to make two separate frames, just different sheet metal, which was required anyway. That was, indeed, made most likely to give Dodge equivalents the feel of a somewhat more "upmarket" car.
Great episode. My first Jenkki as we say here , was 67 tempest 4d. Originally och 6 but i got it with 350 Chevy. I was seventeen and the car was Total basket Case. Got it done in two years . Too all Time and money. But well got it done. Light car with long legs did 16,3 but top speed was well over 200 kmph.
Been looking forward to this episode. I love the 1967 Mercury Cyclone.
I love this series. I like understanding things under the proper narrative and context. Muscle cars and JDM aesthetics are perhaps two of the most misunderstood entity ever.
Also, since I am an automotive design student, I would love to share one of my projects with you as it is inspired by your content.
I would love to see it.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Hello Greg, would it be okay if I could not present full renders? Right now it’s all text-written, since this is still a side project and university is pounding on me. 😂
As usual, another well researched, well presented video. Ranks right up there with your airplane vids.
A shout out to UncleTony! LOL!
Greg, I love all your videos. This one is great...and brings back great memories. I owned a SS 396 and it was immensely wonderful. It had a four speed manual that seemed indestructible. So much fun. Tough on rear tires. I was never as good a driver as it was a car. But I had fun. I do remember buying the Chevy because the GTO was about $350 more...at least that is my memory.
Great stuff! I enjoy your muscle car videos at least as much as your informative and interesting plane vids. Please keep up the great work!!!
In automotive terms, this is where I grew up. Post high school and through college, I had friends who, at some point in their lives, drove 396 Chevys, 406 Fords, GTOs, and one even had a 442. One local character had a Plymouth Belvedere with a hot 383 in front of a 3-speed manual. He regularly ran in the 12s - pretty amazing. I never quite got to a muscle car, but I did have a "Pony Car" - a pale yellow 1967 Plymouth Barracuda with the 273 engine, Carter 4-barrel, Hurst-shifted 4-speed manual, and 3:55 rear end. Did I have a heavy right foot? To use the Minnesota vernacular, You betcha. It was loud (I loved the square-ish exhaust tip), and sucked gasoline like the addict it was. Except for slightly tweaked timing, it was absolutely stock, and "race prep" involved removing the wheel covers and the spare tire. I usually ran the quarter-mile in the low 15s. Not bad for a truly stock Mopar. I still have one of several drag strip trophies I won with it at a local track - ordinary mainstream Camaros and Firebirds were the equivalent of ME-110s to Spitfire pilots in the Battle of Britain: "Meat on the table." Now I drive a Kia Niro hybrid. Times change.
Remember the Polyglas tires, and what a huge improvement we considered them to be at the time?
God, I'd guess a 302 Camaro would have been enough to keep the Huns at bay. Friend of mine had a '69 Z28 with the Muncie 4 speed with limited slip. It got out of its own way. Boy Howdy.
For me it was a '66 Dart GT (273, pale yellow also, with auto trans)... I added a 4Bbl... and the "rectangular" exhaust... then a '67 Firebird 400, 4spd... added Hooker headers, Holley center squirt carb, Sun tach, Hurst shifter (which I did manage to bind between 2nd and 3rd on occasion), recurve distributor advance, custom exhaust (no A/C, no power steering, but didn't care, or know any better!). Drum brakes made it AMAZING difficult to get stopped in a hurry!
@@peoplehavetherights - Too bad the '67 Camaro didn't get the proper L79 350 HP 327" engine as an option that it deserved!
Loved the ratty exhaust note of the hyper 273 engine!
I had '62 Jetfire, '65 Cutlass convertible 330" 2 speed auto, and '65 GTO tripower 4 speed... wanted a 442 but dang those things sold at a price premium even used...
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Hi Greg!
A lot of info in your muscle car videos, brilliant.
Sadly thought I can only like them once... lol.
I appreciate it. The muscle car videos don't get a lot of views, but I like them.
Love the muscle car videos! im old and i have owned a few of these. I had a Hurst olds 442.
Love your Detroit iron series!
I came for the airplanes, but the muscle car compilations are always anticipated and savored :)
Funny the new chryslers suffer same proublems as old ones. Lol
Love this series, would actually like to hear why bias ply tires hung around so long.
The only ones making good radials was Michelin and they were making sizes more common in European cars of the time. Making wide profile tires in radial construction was dependent on belted construction which was just starting to enter the market. Glass belt tires started becoming premium tires in about 1968 and it took a long time before steel belts were something that were recommended for performance use. It was the early 1970 before Michelin X tires showed that they were the thing to have, and do you believe Sears was selling most of them? The US manufactures were working on steel belt construction with BF Goodrich leading the way but they weren't up to the standards of Michelin. Goodrich had some problems police special tires with steel belts failing at high speed. The performance tires of the 1970's were starting to get to 70 or 60 profile and have glass belts (Goodyear Polyglas tire) to keep the tread flat at speed. In the late 1970's other belt materials started to enter the market along with the first radial performance tires. Goodyear started production of their premium tire in the late 1970's with radial construction and what they call Flexten belts. Flexten was Goodyear's name for aramid fiber and that was when Goodyear started using the name "Eagles". By this time the auto manufactures were specifying steel belted tires on most of their new cars but the tire manufacturers were worried about the durability of these tires in high speed and hot temperature conditions. Firestone had constant problems that about ruined the company and you can look up the "Firestone 500" if you want to learn more.
The early performance radials had some unfortunate characteristics that it took some time to tame. If you broke traction with many of these tires, tractioin recovery took longer than bias ply tires took so you had to be very careful at the limits of traction. This was one of the reasons why racing tires stuck with bias construction into the late 1980's. The truth be told racing tires slowly decreased the bias angle of the plys until they were almost radials and stayed that way for a long time. It was the 'feel' when the tire was starting to loose traction that was not as easy to feel in radial tires that caused problems and caused NASCAR to continue with bias ply tires for some time on short tracks after they had made the switch on super speedways.
So, anyway in 1967 the technology for a good, wide radial tire did not yet exist and even wide performance bias ply tire were still a new idea. It might be instructive to look at some Indy racing pictures from 1962 to 1969 and see what changes came to the cutting edge of tire construction in those years, even in bias ply construction. It took some time for this to get to street tires.
@@keithstudly6071 You should start your own YT channel man.
Great video. I drove an Australian Ford Falcon from 1979 with a "Windsor" V-8. Manual. 4 speed. I wasn't really impressed, to be honest, it had a lot of torque but acceleration was pretty slow. I ended up buying a Golf (it's a weird market in Australia in 1982) and it had better acceleration and higher top speed . And had half the fuel consumption. Kind of a no brainer for how cars progressed.
In 1979 the 351 was a Cleveland. Ford Australian stopped using the Indor motor in 1970. And by 1979 the the motors were chocked by emissions. My mum had a XC1/2 Fairmont GXL and whilst it had great torque,the power really wasn’t there. Dad’s 1971 HQ 253 wagon wasn’t much slower. It wasn’t until the XD that they made the 351 go better, but by Ben it was on the way to being phased out. There is even a performance difference between my 1974 HJ LS Monaro with the ones that came out with early ADR27 1975 Monaro’s.
@@monarols4806 I think it's even worse because from memory the V-8 was 4.9 litres, not 5.3. So that's 300 (approx) cubic inches. But I was still expecting more because I'm European and anything (except maybe a Rolls-Royce) with that type of engine goes like a scalded cat.
@@idanceforpennies281 You could get either the 302 (4.9 litre) or 351 (5.8 litre which my mum had). And it also depended on which XC you drove. The first (which had the F.O.R.D. letters on the bonnet) was okay, but they upgraded the suspension and motor when Holden bought out the HZ with RTS. You identify those with having the oval Ford badge in the grill and on the boot lid (that's why I said XC 1/2). Mum's GXL also had the factory dual exhausts which came with a specific rear bumper and helped the motor breathe better. However, like I sad previously, it was mainly the torque which helped.
Also, with the roads back then, I reckon the Aussie car would have been better on a trip from Sydney to Brisbane than the European cars that were sold in Oz at that time. Rough roads and dodging the interstate trucks doing 160kph...
1950-60's American V8's were powerful, but Govt forced 1970's engines into being weak emissions slug gas hogs... although they can be fixed with about $200 in parts...
351C's ended in 1974 in USA but continued until 2000(?) in Australia... too bad Aussie Govt forced all auto manufacturing/jobs out of Australia...
Earlier here in USA we had the 1962 Jetfire:
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I love your channel Greg, and the muscle car series is no exception! Too bad for those not watching, they’re very well done. I missed not seeing the Impala, it takes me back to going to the gas station on Saturdays with my dad to fill the cars up. I loved the almost “sweet” smell of the leaded gas back then. May explain some abnormalities too! LMAO
I love Greg's work in general (airplane and cars) and I absolutely adore this series. Wait with baited breath for installments and re-watch previous episodes. Fantastic how he goes above and beyond the specs. Practically puts you on the show room floor.
I'll get the 68' and 69' episodes done in the new few months. I do want to wrap up the 60's muscle car series. Then I'll start another American car series, but I don't know what it will be.
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Couple of weeks! Awesome friend, thanks again for the great work. P.s. not to be greedy or pushy but I hope you plan on ending with 70 model year ?
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Please do a 1970 video too! Lots of cool cars to talk about like the LS6 Chevelle, GSX Stage 1, Superbird, etc
Yes, tires. Bias ply and the later Polyglas tires were "greasy". Showroom performance was only a starting point and hardly any young person that left their car stock. I think I lasted two whole weeks before I ripped off the carb and manifolds from my SS396 and on went the Holley and Headman headers. Good times.
I thoroughly enjoyed this informative share.👍🏿👍🏿
Awesome cheers Greg 🍻
I love how the American cars of the 60s were so big you could carry your recently divorced ex wife without altercations
Or carry her in the trunk if you took it a step further😅
I absolutely love the Pontiac Tempest Sprint!! Its a goodlooking car with whitewalls. I live the styling back then because you could get those whitewalls with your favorite sporty muscle car. Hell, even the Chevy Corvettes had whitewalls!
My first car was a 67 Firebird with 400 and factory Ram Air, which was a pretty rare car i picked up cheap because it had multiple problems. Oddly, it had a standard 3 speed on the floor (which many of you knew already but i always thought a 4 speed would be the way to go). I remember that the dual cylinder front disc brakes were a nightmare (and heard that from several mechanics as well). And i also remember that one time they gave out and i did indeed have no front brakes... so it's possible that if one side went out that the whole front brakes could fail. Although, i don't remember all the details it could possibly have been another part of the system that failed. All i know is, in the 2 years i had it ('77 to '79), i had to fix those stupid front discs 3 times not counting pads ;) Also, as beautiful as it was to look at (a real girl magnet), it had pretty awful quality overall and rusted if you looked at it funny. I later had a used Trans Am a few years later, and it seemed better built (..but was pretty much a sled on curves lol).
Both of the Pontiac 400 motors had the same problem, they didn't like to idle and were a little rough. I am not talking performance engines; they were stock. A mechanic told me that was common with them as the manifold design didn't work well at low revs.
Idling problem sounds like a dirty carb. or tuning problem or previous owner stuck a big cam in... my GTO 389 and 400 idled perfectly... although 389 was lopey idle with the hyper cam...
Really appreciate this video. Old enough these were my generation cars.
Owned 2 of those muscle cars, both 67 GM - 442 & GTO. Dropped down to pony car with 67 Mustang GT. Sold all + 63 Impala & 67 Buick Rivera between 72 to 73 heading for Vietnam. Literally all cars sold to ex-Vietnam vets. Was never a Chysler/Dodge/Plymouth fan but worked on everything and everybody's cars.
Funniest story was night leaving theater after McQueen movie Bullit seeing how many dudes driving 68 & 69 Chargers were eyeballing me in the 67 Mustang GT. Oh yeah, real interesting! 😮
Of the 67 muscle cars - favorite was the 442. Your choice good on the GTX. It was a beast in it's own right. 👍
I'm just finishing the refurbishment of my 1967 Camaro. It had the 2 speed Powerglide.
The Muscle Car Series is awesome! I was stoked to see a new one, and please keep it up Greg! Much appreciated!!
I have love and respect for all the muscle cars of this era, despite me having a bias toward GM. Ford had some amazing stuff, but for me, GM and Chrysler of this era get my heart pumping the most. Ford has some interesting outliers, I would LOOOOVE to have a Mercury Cyclone for the looks alone.... But GM has the widest range of my favorite muscle cars, and Chrysler with this years Charger R/T and that fastback design.....good lord I just realized how many heart achingly GORGEOUS cars were made in this early part of the muscle car era....Man I was born in the wrong decade.....
Thank You. Great Video!
And the 1967 427 Competition Cobra was the fastest thing on the road from the muscle care era.
My brother used to have a 1966 Cyclone GT, 4 speed with a 390 and a fiberglass hood. Drove it into a telephone pole guy wire, totaled it, and sold it for parts. A friend of his bought the 390 and put it into a 1967 Mustang. I'll swear that Mustang tweaked when he floored it.
Yay, the Mopar wins! I like the Dodges R/T hood better though. :)
Mopar or No Car! Great video thx for sharing...😊
People my age would have committed larceny to own (or steal) a GTO or 442. The good old days. Keep the car stuff coming.
I WATCH AND LOVE ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS !
I LOVE THE LINES OF THE 65 GTO COUPE BEST, WHEN THEY SUNK THE REAR WINDOW IT JUST MADE IT TOO LONG LOOKING.
I JUST PICKED UP A 1973 MUSTANG CONVERTIBLE ! THE ORIGINAL OWNER WANTED A MACH 1 CONVERTIBLE BUT THEY STOPPED MAKING THEM IN 72. THIS GUY CHECKED EVERY PERFORMANCE OPTION IN THE BOOK! SUSPENSION PACKAGE AND A 351 CLEVELAND RAM AIR WITH THE TOPLOADER 4 SPEED ! IT HAD A FRAME OFF RESTORATION 17 YEARS AGO AND THE ENGINE WAS TREATED TO A EXTREME ENERGY COMP CAM. IT SOUNDS BEEFY AND GETS UP AND SCOOTS !
MY FAVORITE VID SERIES OF YOURS IS THE P47 !
KEEP UP THE AWESOME VIDEOS !
Had the 67 pontiac lemans convertable ohc 6 in 1972 , power was nothing to write about. It had a plastic timing belt i had to replace 2 times in about 13 months time.traded it in for a new 1973 torino fastback with a 351 clevland motor. It was a much better car.
29:13 another Buddy had a 1967 GTA 390 and it was fast. Light car, 325 HP, and 425 torque. I never had the chance to race it.
See it run here:
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And there was the 350 hp 327 Nova.
'67 Camaro should have gotten that engine as an option...
For an 18 year old leaving the school parking lot, those bias ply tires were pretty fun!!!
In 1982, I had bias on front and radials on rear of my 1966 Mustang, and it was undrivable on gravel. It would sway 30 feet each side. Let Buddy drive after he calling me names, and we went in ditch and spilled beer. But, that car would push snow higher than hood.
how about doing a post on 1969 muscle cars, i had a 1969 Dodge Charger with a 440
By the early mid 1970's the GTO could be had as a 4 door.
Sold my 67 chevelle ss to my dad regret it everyday... disk breaks suck for drag racing.
1967 Chevelle SS 396. Dream car. And I'm a Mopar guy!
i remember the old 440 six pac. 3 2 barrel carbs. the linkage was a nightmare though.
mopar did this stupid block liner that flaked off and clogged everything in the cooling system. ask me how i know and how many pumps and radiators i had to work on.
The Plymouth roof line was called "Post" or No post" when I was in High School. Everybody wanted the No Post if you could afford one. Much cooler looking when the windows rolled all the way down. As the old saying goes, More cubes on the street wins (torque), more horsepower at the drags win there. As for GM, I think the Q-Jet was standard on most Big Blocks (396/400's). The Q-jet was first introduced in 1965 on the 396cu/in in the Corvette. I also think Seat belts were standard. I purchased a 1967 GTO R.A. I (White/Black vinyl top and black interior) in 1970. It had no disk brakes, but had the Hurst dual gate, with 3.90 gears made it quick off the line, but horrible for hi-way speeds with over 3,000 rpms at cruising speeds (65mph). Lastly, the wing windows in 1967 was the last year. In 1968 GM went to "Astro ventilation". Also the 400 cu/in in 1967 GTO was the last year of "Closed combustion" heads. In 1968 Pontiac went with the Open Chamber heads and found more HP as well. You are absolutely correct about the 4.33 gear ratio. I also owned a 1970 GTO Judge R.A. IV with 4.33 gears (purchased in 1975). Gas mileage was probably around 7 maybe 8 MPG. My 1969 GTO Judge with R.A. III had the 3.55 gears and much better for street/hi-way use. Sold my 1967 GTO for the 1969 GTO Judge RA III. Was "only" $2,000 in 1972. I wish I had that car now. You are also correct about the "look" of the Olds 442. It just did not have that prestige. BUT Olds did the Ram Air right with scoops up front by the bumper. True Ram Air. Buick's were just to expensive compared to GTO's and 442's. Thanks for the video!! As always you are very thorough.
Did anyone actually *drive* drive back then, or was it just all drag racing stuff? Nothing is more spooky than sending it into the braking zones and hoping you have the lateral grip to hang
@@RhodokTribesman My '67 GTO with drum brakes was a hand full and stopping distance was not all that great, especially in the rain. My '69 GTO Judge and '70 GTO Judge with front disk brakes was good to go. I was born and raised in So. Calif. so cruising the beach cities, Whittier Blvd, Bellflower Blvd and Hollywood/Sunset Blvd were the paces to go. No real life stop light grand prix stuff. To many cops waiting for the hint of revving motors or chirps from the tires. It was not like American Graffiti
Definitely a big fan of these automotive videos, I’m only 20 so learning about the market and differences of cars I’ve always loved to see since I was a kid (although Japanese cars have my heart) is really cool. I’m still continuing through the video, but I saw comments discussing how the views are lower on the car videos, maybe changing the title of the video to attract younger enthusiasts like myself might help how far the outreach is?
Still, thank you for all your cool work about aviation and automobiles 🤘🏼
Greg prolly isn't into clickbait video titles...
My father never told me Buicks would be made in Korea either.
I remember those days. Thank you for all your hard work.
Getting good 1/4 mile times was a 2 edge sword out of these cars. Either you feather your throttle to get a traction controlled take off of low 14s or you stomp it and spin out getting a 16 sec time. Either way you are not getting an accurate 1/4 time that represents to power output. To actually capture the power you will need modern sticky tires and a modern trans like an 8 speed automatic or 6 speed manual. That alone would lower the E/Ts on all these cars off the showroom floor to mid 12s to low 13 sec runs. My old 69' 383 Road runner would spin my G60-14 tires for 15 feet if I stomped it. When it had the stock skinny tires it would spin for 20 feet.
My buddy bought a new '69 383 4 speed Road Runner and was devastated when my '65 GTO destroyed it... but then he talked to some local rich kids racing Chrysler products that told him he had to advance the ignition timing from the factory 'granny tune' for it to make any power... then it ran side by side with my GTO... once he got it off the line...
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@@BuzzLOLOL Yeh...you could even advance it more to go faster at the track but would not idle for street use. So as soon as you did your run set it back again to drive home. Few people knew this but the Chrysler engineers did. Todays cars do the same thing via computer on the fly so you never know its happening and its seemless.
My dad had a 65 Coronet and it was a really good car. I think it looked a lot better than the 67.
Great Video! Just as good as your airplane stuff, Greg!
Gearing - yes. One of the big changes in UK rally cars (eg Cortina GT) of the 60's was to fit the 4.44 (van) diff' instead of the standard (stock) 3.7 or 3.9 one. In the narrow country lanes with tight hairpin bends, and the hilly terrain of Wales, this gave a real advantage. Later, we had 5-speed, manual gearboxes so, rear axle ratios were not so critical. Engine BHP figures at that time were around 95 to 120 and car weight around the 1 ton mark fully loaded with rally equipment.
A 95hp Mini would be a fun car. I'm sure Mr. Vizard would agree.
With the exception of the 1968 B Bodies from MOPAR, 1967 was the pinnacle of design, performance and power of American muscle cars.
@@rogersmith7396 Although more powerful engines came along in 1969 thru 1971, the styling of those model years, in my opinion, left a lot to be desired compared to the '65-'67 models. That is why my criteria includes design and why it leads off my list of qualities. Thank you for your time and cooperation.
@@rogersmith7396 That's just the thing opinions don not have to agree while still maintaining a polite and respectful exchange of ideas.
@@rogersmith7396 I am 51, and your '70 Eldorado is the beez kneez, with the 1967 model being IMHO the best.
It's not exactly a muscle car, but I have yet to see any car that looks better (in my opinion of course) than the 1967 Buick Riviera. The only things that even come close are the 1971 Camaro and 1973 Corvette, but those have more of a sporty appeal, the Riviera is a sculpture on wheels.
Can't wait for 69 70 and 71 year those were the top year for Evey car
This series will go to 1969. After that I'll decide if I do the next one with the 70-74 muscle cars, or go back and do the 60's pony cars. Or, the junior muscle cars, or the senior muscle cars. I'm not sure where I'll go next with this.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles alright well could you give the El Camino a mention?
Great video! Really like the aircraft and engine- prop videos too. Had a 66 Fairlane GTA .. You had a very good assessment of it from my experience.
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Great job..... ; )
Interesting and educational. Thanks. :-)
The 442 is a little awkward looking but in a cool kind of way.
When I was a teen, I would notice neighborhood cars from this era. I had a simple system to know which owners to talk to, without making everyone pop the hood. If it's intermediate or smaller and there is more than one exhaust pipe, it's a good one.
You said it about the fun and skill to drive a muscle car fast, Greg. I have a 2015 XJRL tuned to 610hp that will rocket past any muscle car like it’s standing still but as a driver you are so dialed out of the experience it lacks almost all the thrill of doing it.
Yep, what younger people don't get about these old muscle cars is they were real squirrels to drive, with the suspension, brake and tire technology of the era those things were all over the road.
But the single most stupid thing I've ever been on in my life was my friends 1979 1300cc 6 cylinder inline Kawasaki with a Mr Turbo kit on it, I can assure you that kind of power on a 1979 suspension with 1979 brakes and 1979 motorcycle tire technology is the most evil machine you'll operate in your life, and as if it wasn't silly fast enough he had a nitrous bottle on it that gave it a little squirt when you went to WOT to make up for turbo lag.
Yes, that thing was just dying to put you in the hospital or the morgue.
@@dukecraig2402 I also had a buddy who had a late 70’s Yamaha 125CC 2-stroke race dirt bike he had done some tweaking on. It would do around 70ish mph flat out but it was the time it took to get there that would peel your eyes open. Blasting that thing up and down gravel pits in northern Michigan would get anyone’s pulse up. Of course I was a lot braver back then for such stunts also 😂
My first car was a 68 Cutlass. I loved that car, I would love to get another one for a project car.
I had a 65 Dodge Dart GT and virtually everything in the car failed. Everything from the window lifts, transmission, starter, water pump, carb and fuel pump. Also most of the gages were dead as was radio.
So you're saying you had one of the better ones.😊
Fascinating ! Thanks very much :-)
I've been waiting for this video for a while. I was not disappointed. All your videos are top notch. Can't wait for 1968, the year I was born. Does the 1967 GMC Beaumont count as a muscle car or is it excluded because it's from Canada? Just curious.
If the Beaumont has the 396, then yes it's a muscle car, just like any other G.M. A-body with a big engine.
Many Chevy bodies were built by Fisher in Canada. My 69 conv Impala 396/M21 and the 67 Nova SS 350/M22 are.
Back then Canadian Pontiacs usually had shortened bodies on a Chevy frame with a Chevy 283 V8...
My Dad had a 1958 Edsel with 361 engine. That car would do 135 mph all day long. He drove from Thunder Bay to Saskatoon in 12 hours, and that is on gravel and on the square, no highways back then. Dad could do the 14 miles to town in under 10 mins in a 1966 Ford pickup with a 6 cylinder. Again, on gravel.
I did beat Dad's time, but i was in a 1974 Colony Park station wagon with a 460. I beat his time by 10 seconds. 9 40 or so.
@@bradyelich2745 - High compression pistons and a cam in that 460 would get it down to 4.99 minutes... LOL!
@@BuzzLOLOL The motor blew in the Colony Park due to valve seals packing the oil pump. After trading whisky and weed, got my car home, and installed a 429 CJ into it, u know, the one we had lying around, cause that was the style at the time, and it did no better. That car and motor sitting in Buddy's pasture to this day... The original 460 rated at 225 hp at 2500 rpm ... The 429 CJ 375 hp. The Summer Road, as we call it, is a twisty backroad with gravel in the middle and end, the start is dirt after the jump over the Alan Grid. 2:30 rears, hp go no where, tq go everywhere.
Buddy was looking for Ford 9" locker, I said my Colony Park had one, cause it would dig two holes in the pavement. He took it apart and informed me, nope. Just stock Ford, a good one. That diff is in rear seat.
Greg- My father purchased a '67 Mercury Cyclone GT in late '67. But it had the special high performance 330 hp engine (hotter cam & bigger carb?) instead of the 320 hp (it's listed on the Ford 390 engine Wikipedia page) & C6 3-speed auto trans. I started driving it in '70. In hindsight, not a good idea! It was a very fast car, stiff handling, but front heavy & somehow, I survived my youth driving it w/ a lead foot. The rear end was a 3.1 or 3.01 and once I "pegged" the speedo about 1.5 segments past the 120 mark, so about 135mph @~4,000rpm. Redline was 4400rpm. It was shod w/ Firestone bias ply glass belted F70x14" tires (speed rated @ ?). And I'm still here. Terrible time changing the plugs on the middle cylinders around the coil spring towers though; that big block was a very tight fit between that front suspension. Wish I had that car still... -Mark
Thanks Mark, I appreciate your comment.