Is Meta helping Israel’s genocide? with Paul Biggar

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  • Опубликовано: 19 апр 2024
  • We welcome tech innovator and founder Paul Biggar back to the livestream.
    Paul just wrote a blog post outlining how Meta, the parent company of Facebook, is deeply complicit in Israel’s genocide.
    He notes that Guy Rosen, Meta’s chief information security officer “is their most senior policy decision maker. He is Israeli, lives in Tel Aviv, and was in the Israeli military in Unit 8200.”
    That Israeli cyberwarfare unit is behind the AI - artificial intelligence - programs Israel is using to accelerate its extermination campaign in Gaza.
    Paul gives us a update on Tech for Palestine, a coalition of thousands of people in the tech industry working towards Palestinian freedom.
    Nora Barrows-Friedman, Asa Winstanley, Ali Abunimah and Jon Elmer of The Electronic Intifada were joined by tech innovator and founder Paul Biggar, and Aseel Mousa, a long-time contributor to The Electronic Intifada from Gaza, now in Cairo, on the day 194 livestream. You can watch the entire broadcast here: ruclips.net/user/liveGCdl5F2zki0
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  • @user-od1ol8rf2h
    @user-od1ol8rf2h Месяц назад +143

    Thank you guys for standing against evil

  • @PerceivedREALITY999
    @PerceivedREALITY999 Месяц назад +84

    Thank you Electronic Intifada. Independent journalists with journalistic integrity are the heroes of our time.

    • @meetings3071
      @meetings3071 Месяц назад +3

      For sure. 🇵🇸 ❤️ 🇵🇸

  • @gerrybannon7394
    @gerrybannon7394 Месяц назад +133

    In our millions and our billions we are all Palestinian 🇵🇸🇮🇪

    • @marlotree6909
      @marlotree6909 Месяц назад +1

      Reminder that other satts are also used....not only that of big brotherUS! ChinaSattBBeidou is worldwide and also over gaza/Israel.....
      There are 4 sattelite platforms currently, the USA GPS, EU Galileo, Russia Ruscom and Beidou from China. Each are separate and not overlapping, so one cannot control the other.
      Last-mentioned (Beidou) is the most advanced.

    • @Aisakusainn
      @Aisakusainn Месяц назад +3

      💯

    • @rashlatif9478
      @rashlatif9478 Месяц назад +1

      Beautifully said 👏🏼👏🏼❤️

    • @geraldtraynor
      @geraldtraynor Месяц назад

      Problem is their billions$$$$$$$$$$$

    • @marlotree6909
      @marlotree6909 Месяц назад

      @@geraldtraynor Palestine applied to become BRICS+member! Wow, significant shift on the world playground.... 👏👏

  • @gerrybannon7394
    @gerrybannon7394 Месяц назад +69

    In our millions and our billions we are all Palestinian 🇵🇸🇵🇸

    • @pausereflect5911
      @pausereflect5911 Месяц назад +3

      That's right!
      No freedom for Palestine no freedom for us all!

  • @user-vj5fb3ig4z
    @user-vj5fb3ig4z Месяц назад +79

    Meta, Google, Intel...

    • @starryTaarey
      @starryTaarey Месяц назад +8

      Yes 💯

    • @Tommii38
      @Tommii38 Месяц назад +10

      Not forgetting Amazon and Oracle.

    • @LinuxUser00
      @LinuxUser00 Месяц назад +5

      Intel has a backdoor to the NSA in every processor.

    • @hitreset0291
      @hitreset0291 Месяц назад

      Their owners are jew jew supporters. Say that 3 times quickly.😂

    • @VonKirda
      @VonKirda Месяц назад

      Blinken, Yellen, Garland, Mayorkas, Schumer

  • @taranehahmadi-parker1412
    @taranehahmadi-parker1412 Месяц назад +59

    Free Free Palestine 🇵🇸

  • @evelyndominguez4757
    @evelyndominguez4757 Месяц назад +61

    United States must cut all ties with Israel. Get APIAC out of our politics and government.

    • @user-jy8vm1xz8x
      @user-jy8vm1xz8x Месяц назад +1

      Not going to happen.First all Billionaires in America should be notified to stop funding G Side in Gaza or their assets to be siezed..

    • @eyedownload
      @eyedownload Месяц назад +1

      AIPAC isn't going anywhere so we need to vote the current fu@kers out and elect people who are not corrupt! Humans who put humanity first!

    • @jake751
      @jake751 Месяц назад +15

      Same applies in England. Westminster is full of mps who are members of "labour friends of Israel" and "conservative friends of Israel". Even the speaker of the House is a member and went on a trip to tel aviv in November whilst gaza was under seige. 😢

    • @eyedownload
      @eyedownload Месяц назад

      @@jake751 we have to vote every one of these mo fo's out! and quick quick quick! then elect the leaders who speak in terms of no more war, love and peace prevails as a stated goal! ruclips.net/video/mEfYVUzgxCk/видео.html

    • @pausereflect5911
      @pausereflect5911 Месяц назад +14

      They'll just rename and come back.
      We need to get the donations and funding out of Politics ALL TOGETHER.

  • @user-nu3eu3bc8u
    @user-nu3eu3bc8u Месяц назад +26

    Google has been helping the Israeli army for years

    • @carahiggs7157
      @carahiggs7157 Месяц назад

      Google was created by Zionists along with the CIA

    • @LinuxUser00
      @LinuxUser00 Месяц назад +3

      Jewgle*

  • @bearbaler1456
    @bearbaler1456 Месяц назад +87

    They need to be brought before the ICJ

    • @62Cristoforo
      @62Cristoforo Месяц назад +6

      They will use AI in place of their defence counsel instead of a real lawyer.

    • @Raks78
      @Raks78 Месяц назад +7

      And what’s the ICJ going to do ?? Slap on the wrist ?? More non binding advice / suggestions??

    • @bearbaler1456
      @bearbaler1456 Месяц назад

      @Raks78 it would publicly and globally shame them, which would turn people away from them. They lose business and revenue, countries outside the west would sanction the media companies, or at least be able to justify doing so. Naming and shaming is the most important thing in the short term. Also, I would open the floodgates for litigation against corporations and eventually as the global balance of power shifts, and the West can't act with impunity or constantly yield its vetoes at the UN. The West is already in terminal decline as the East accends, so many of the consequences would co.e years maybe even decades down the road. But the most important thing is to expose them, and shame them, this makes it harder for them to carry on controlling the narrative with lies and bias.

    • @Anonymus-qp2mb
      @Anonymus-qp2mb Месяц назад +1

      But IF I IS THE TOOTHLESS TIGER

    • @Anonymus-qp2mb
      @Anonymus-qp2mb Месяц назад +1

      ICJ IS THE TOOTHLESS TIGER

  • @rhetorical1488
    @rhetorical1488 Месяц назад +47

    the answer is of course, self evident

  • @meetings3071
    @meetings3071 Месяц назад +15

    Thsnk you Paul and _Electronic Intifada._ Your efforts are much appreciated.
    🇵🇸 ❤️ 🇵🇸 💚 🇵🇸 🍉 🇵🇸

  • @UTubeISphere
    @UTubeISphere Месяц назад +17

    One big boon of this Assassination Intelligence tool is that it absolves everyone of responsibility, including by further increasing the distance between the assassin and the assassinated.

    • @honestyfirst3994
      @honestyfirst3994 Месяц назад

      I don't think so, behind every assesination intelligence program it's a human been!

  • @reversefulfillment9189
    @reversefulfillment9189 Месяц назад +46

    Thanks to everyone who puts their skills to fighting injustice.

  • @7777wilson1
    @7777wilson1 Месяц назад +34

    What a wonderful guest, Paul Biggar👏 All u guys are so remarkable💪 We love, respect & support everything you do. God bless you all🙏✌️

  • @tuna22lm
    @tuna22lm Месяц назад +45

    The ones who cry the loudest are usually the guilty ones, it has been like that forever.

    • @shapursasan9019
      @shapursasan9019 Месяц назад

      You're a very sick man!

    • @62Cristoforo
      @62Cristoforo Месяц назад +1

      The squeaky wheel gets the oil

    • @audioaddict5279
      @audioaddict5279 Месяц назад

      ​​@@talksmoke1190 lol, the Palestinian people are proud and stoic, considering their circumstances.
      With the same circumstantial consideration given, Israel whines like a little bitch.

    • @jake751
      @jake751 Месяц назад

      Yes we all know apartheid Israel crys VICTIM all the time.

    • @Raks78
      @Raks78 Месяц назад +5

      @@talksmoke1190 you really do talk smoke . Learn to spell

  • @TonyNaber
    @TonyNaber Месяц назад +13

    Paul described exactly what I’ve been warning about regarding this “AI” story. It’s just a cover + them flexing their technical prowess

  • @sullykhan3391
    @sullykhan3391 Месяц назад +6

    Thank you, Electronic Intifada! Fascinating interview and something that definitely needs to be pushed in all the activists pushing for Palestinian rights.

  • @JureRepinc
    @JureRepinc Месяц назад +36

    All the GAFAM (Google, Apple, Facebook/Meta, Amazon, Microsoft) aka BigTech are the same: profit over human rights, and if helping genocide means profit so be it too.

  • @slappyfun
    @slappyfun Месяц назад +8

    As always, great reporting. Great to hear someone with tech knowledge attribute a significant moving of the needle to Aaron bushnell.

  • @PerceivedREALITY999
    @PerceivedREALITY999 Месяц назад +20

    We must not be silent while witnessing injustice. Israel is committing war crimes and meta is complicit in those crimes.

  • @herteert299
    @herteert299 Месяц назад +9

    Thank you so much Paul for informing us, it's really important to know who helped those criminals.

  • @cherrycupcake6327
    @cherrycupcake6327 Месяц назад +5

    Fascinating conversation ❤

  • @stellamillburn6145
    @stellamillburn6145 Месяц назад +4

    Amazing guest, thank you all for great discussion

  • @kwanchan6745
    @kwanchan6745 Месяц назад +36

    not just meta, youtube too

    • @metalmamasue3680
      @metalmamasue3680 Месяц назад +10

      Yt is under Google/Alphabet Inc.

    • @peetsnort
      @peetsnort Месяц назад

      Of course meta is complicit
      Of course google is complicit by censoring my comments in real time using AI
      On top of algorithmic censorship
      On top of shadow banning my comments so that they appear in my comment box but not visible in your comment box

    • @user-jy8vm1xz8x
      @user-jy8vm1xz8x Месяц назад +8

      Censorship had increased on You tube a lot now

    • @papajahatmamabaik2050
      @papajahatmamabaik2050 Месяц назад

      Almost all mainstream media and the few that feed off their crumbs carry the same narrative of not questioning the obvious simply because, genocide aside, they chose to follow the money. Money is their religion.

  • @sandrajensen497
    @sandrajensen497 Месяц назад +16

    Wow, Paul Biggar is so impressive!

  • @zamzamahmed8139
    @zamzamahmed8139 Месяц назад +15

    Thank you guys.❤❤

  • @thecavetiger
    @thecavetiger Месяц назад +3

    Thank you. The the tech effort is really important.

  • @pyrohossain1151
    @pyrohossain1151 Месяц назад +6

    If all of us left Facebook, it would go down the toilet, yet we will not cancel Facebook as our own hypocrisy is shamelessly at display

  • @user-bs2ui9pe9r
    @user-bs2ui9pe9r Месяц назад +16

    Great coverage, thank you

  • @azalia423
    @azalia423 Месяц назад +2

    Thank you, Paul Biggar, and The Electric Antifada, I bow to your integrity.

  • @mariasaba2620
    @mariasaba2620 Месяц назад +4

    Extremely interesting, thank you .

  • @candicechieffo884
    @candicechieffo884 Месяц назад +13

    Thank you for standing up against evil and standing for truth, justice & humanity

  • @Mahmud-Layth-Tariq-Al-Khafaji
    @Mahmud-Layth-Tariq-Al-Khafaji Месяц назад +3

    Thank you!

  • @courtneyheron1561
    @courtneyheron1561 Месяц назад +2

    Another fabulous report!!!

  • @ruthbarrett4527
    @ruthbarrett4527 Месяц назад +2

    Informative and useful info. Great reporting

  • @1May1312
    @1May1312 Месяц назад +2

    I was recently looking at a BDS list of all the tech companies tied to the entity, and it's absolutely astounding.

  • @Reikimasterinfja
    @Reikimasterinfja Месяц назад +18

    ... videos with explicit content that don't get removed get demonetized...💰

    • @peetsnort
      @peetsnort Месяц назад

      Of course meta is complicit
      Of course google is complicit by censoring my comments in real time using AI
      On top of algorithmic censorship
      On top of shadow banning my comments so that they appear in my comment box but not visible in your comment box

  • @inversebrah
    @inversebrah Месяц назад +12

    Paul is a wonderful person, God bless him 🙏🇵🇸

  • @leonknight3818
    @leonknight3818 Месяц назад +1

    These video reports are terrific thank you, and more power to the resistance..!!!

  • @christopheklinger3217
    @christopheklinger3217 Месяц назад +4

    Frightening, but we could have expected it.

  • @davidarchibald50
    @davidarchibald50 Месяц назад +10

    AI is like reading a page of Shakespeare and then expecting to be able to predict all the works of Shakespeare. AI is anything but intelligent.

  • @queenebonyqueenebony
    @queenebonyqueenebony Месяц назад +1

    Thank you for this I learned a lot!! 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

  • @okayyali4
    @okayyali4 Месяц назад +13

    Meta should be sued

  • @jerarmadjid
    @jerarmadjid Месяц назад +4

    In January fb brought a big advertisment call for Idf, in the way " come to Idf, we need you", where you immidiatly could sign .

  • @tarakadir9259
    @tarakadir9259 Месяц назад +3

    Thank you 🙏🏻 ❤️ 🇵🇸 🇵🇸🍉🍉🕊️🕊️

  • @maxgurman633
    @maxgurman633 Месяц назад +2

    Very good discussion as always

  • @madal59
    @madal59 Месяц назад +15

    Can you imagine an IBM program called "Where's Jacob"?.......

    • @user-jy8vm1xz8x
      @user-jy8vm1xz8x Месяц назад +5

      They will call you an Anti Semites if you ask that question on Isreali Wire😂

    • @fuckbankers
      @fuckbankers Месяц назад

      Stealing someone's house.

    • @phillipholland6795
      @phillipholland6795 Месяц назад

      Where'S Cohen?

  • @mohammedsahor
    @mohammedsahor Месяц назад +3

    And Allah is most knowing of your enemies; and sufficient is Allah as an ally, and sufficient is Allah as a helper ~ Qur’an 4:45

  • @caylia9989
    @caylia9989 Месяц назад +2

    Thank you 😊

  • @ange7024
    @ange7024 Месяц назад +2

    Thank you for this really interesting and informative podcast, as always!

  • @peterandjoycevanbreemen600
    @peterandjoycevanbreemen600 Месяц назад +2

    Thanks!

  • @muhammadzaman7317
    @muhammadzaman7317 Месяц назад +2

    Awsome ❤

  • @user-ok6re8gv1q
    @user-ok6re8gv1q Месяц назад +13

    Lavender is just like how good and accurate and relevant that google ads are come up with curated ads that are totally wrong and irrelevant….. cos you typed in a word to check for meaning…and suddenly it gives me shampoo ada as a bald man or left shoe sellers for people who have two right feet.

  • @alaaahmed7958
    @alaaahmed7958 Месяц назад +1

    Loved this video so much. It explained a lot of what I've been looking for

  • @JJNoire
    @JJNoire Месяц назад

    Thank you so much for this journalism

  • @revmansolution
    @revmansolution Месяц назад +9

    The triumvirate Track Trace Target.

  • @baltom4559
    @baltom4559 Месяц назад +25

    if it's 100000% better than the Netflix algorithm is at guessing what I might like, then this AI is correctly identifying "militants" maybe 0.5% of the time.

  • @rubybarker791
    @rubybarker791 Месяц назад +2

    Extremely interesting

  • @DrXtoph
    @DrXtoph Месяц назад

    Thank you.

  • @RFKPeaceNIK19
    @RFKPeaceNIK19 24 дня назад

    Affirmative. For certain.

  • @JohannnD
    @JohannnD Месяц назад +1

    thank youu

  • @zeus9619
    @zeus9619 Месяц назад +2

    This AI-assisted war tool does not work in conventional warfare and is not designed for this purpose but only in urban guerrilla or in maintaining order, against civilian populations mixed with combatants by removing the moral responsibility of their acts to the bloodthirsty of the most moral army in the world

  • @taranehahmadi-parker1412
    @taranehahmadi-parker1412 Месяц назад +6

    🙏

  • @donnazukadley7300
    @donnazukadley7300 Месяц назад +14

    Yeah! FB/Meta restricted me 5 times this week for posting truths about Israel n Gaza

    • @user-jy8vm1xz8x
      @user-jy8vm1xz8x Месяц назад +1

      They all on board with the G Cide.Some Billionaire Oligarch is behind them giving them orders what to do

    • @user-jy8vm1xz8x
      @user-jy8vm1xz8x Месяц назад +4

      My accounts get regularly call out as hate speech with a 24 hour ban

    • @leannefranson1198
      @leannefranson1198 Месяц назад +2

      I'm very surprised I haven't had that issue, I have been put in FB jail multiple times over the past few years. But not since Oct 7.

    • @pausereflect5911
      @pausereflect5911 Месяц назад

      Totally control Amerikkka.

    • @Raks78
      @Raks78 Месяц назад +5

      Yeah I’m always in meta jail , suspended , not allowed to comment etc

  • @WarrenPeaceOG
    @WarrenPeaceOG Месяц назад +3

    Rumble, the free speech video platform, has a feature called RUclips CHANNEL SYNC. It works to automate publishing your RUclips content on Rumble. However, recently YT have been throwing sand in the gears and have made it unreliable. According to Rumble. (Incidentally, I've moved most of my politics subs to Rumble, as journalists have been de-monotised on YT)

  • @esahg5421
    @esahg5421 Месяц назад +1

    no justice? NO PROFITS!!!

  • @aliabdulkareem8628
    @aliabdulkareem8628 Месяц назад +1

    🇵🇸🕊️❤️

  • @donnavorce8856
    @donnavorce8856 Месяц назад +9

    Tech for Palestine. Yes.

  • @querelleturner7325
    @querelleturner7325 Месяц назад +13

    AI LAVENDER !

  • @janetwalk4996
    @janetwalk4996 Месяц назад +3

    What a fantastic video. You guys are wonderful. I’m shifting to signal straight away.

  • @beachboy0505
    @beachboy0505 Месяц назад +1

    Excellent video 📹
    Apologies for the historical comparison.
    This is exactly the same reason because, the Nazis created gas chambers in concentration camps.
    The killing does not have a detrimental psychological effect on the Nazis.

  • @blainejo
    @blainejo Месяц назад

    They can use this to avoid accountability because companies are not subject to IHL or International Criminal Law. This has been predicted and is the motivation behind the need for a binding treaty that extends the law to companies

  • @urmine3077
    @urmine3077 Месяц назад

    Thank God I am only on Discord from the past two years

  • @Rongeez03
    @Rongeez03 20 дней назад

    #freepalestine Shout out to the resistance! ✊🏾

  • @user-sn5rs6lq2z
    @user-sn5rs6lq2z Месяц назад +5

    Thank you thank you thank you Paul.

  • @rukiahashim7035
    @rukiahashim7035 Месяц назад

    Yes they are!

  • @Yo-yo98
    @Yo-yo98 Месяц назад

    Signal groups

  • @jo-annerichardson34
    @jo-annerichardson34 Месяц назад

    The movie from years ago with Tom Cruse in it was called 'Minority Report' exactly about this. Pre cog was the Instrument they used and it was wrong. Again, warnings unheeded.

  • @sarahsamaria8283
    @sarahsamaria8283 Месяц назад +1

    We need to boycott WhatsApp. We need to look for other platforms to communicate like signal and others. The tech people need to educate the lay people.

  • @nazeckbooley990
    @nazeckbooley990 Месяц назад +2

    Superb info. I never knew about Signal

  • @zafariqbalawan2905
    @zafariqbalawan2905 Месяц назад +1

    History will make naked which search engine (including MITA) was biased or unbiased.

  • @nieiniei
    @nieiniei Месяц назад +2

    I was a paid user of Wix and have ended my account!

  • @sakkel.7357
    @sakkel.7357 Месяц назад +2

    but why are people still usin whatsapp when there are better options like signal!?

  • @Justice.Obsession
    @Justice.Obsession Месяц назад

    ❤ how many "hostages" were taken that day?

  • @gerrybannon7394
    @gerrybannon7394 Месяц назад +11

    Millions and billions are Palestinian

    • @waltermesser9737
      @waltermesser9737 Месяц назад

      Billions? I don´t think there so many idiots in the world.

  • @tuna22lm
    @tuna22lm Месяц назад +13

    AI can't see underground, and that is where Hama's fighters are so it is a failure right off the bat, I don't think Hama's fighters are going to hang around the Palestinian citizens they are to busy fighting the IDF and they are using their tunnels to fight the IDF and AI can't help the IDF in my view.

    • @Yaalah
      @Yaalah Месяц назад +3

      AI is a significant and growing part of the kill chain

  • @melosova-suav8930
    @melosova-suav8930 Месяц назад +5

    Who owns META?

    • @peetsnort
      @peetsnort Месяц назад

      Ultimately the CIA.they own all the server and copper cables.the cia set up the entire system. Zuckerberg is merely a posterboy face to give it public acceptance...
      He really really has not as much control.
      Facebook is a facade.
      The cia originally set it ALL up to spy on EVERYTHING.
      the success has been absolutely phenomenonal..
      All based on peoples desires tho share their darkest secrets both voluntary and unwittingly

    • @user-jy8vm1xz8x
      @user-jy8vm1xz8x Месяц назад

      The ones who funds wars

    • @anapaulabedoya5372
      @anapaulabedoya5372 Месяц назад +1

      The lizard dude

  • @drthomason7043
    @drthomason7043 Месяц назад +1

    I'm glad I get to see you videos

  • @strugglefortruth262
    @strugglefortruth262 Месяц назад +8

  • @marlotree6909
    @marlotree6909 Месяц назад +1

    Reminder that other satts are also used....not only that of big brotherUS! ChinaSattBBeidou is worldwide and also over gaza/Israel.....
    There are 4 sattelite platforms currently, the USA GPS, EU Galileo, Russia Ruscom and Beidou from China. Each are separate and not overlapping, so one cannot control the other.
    Last-mentioned (Beidou) is the most advanced.

  • @thespacecowboy420
    @thespacecowboy420 Месяц назад

    Someone, somewhere: "I'm mister Nimbus!!!!"

  • @62Cristoforo
    @62Cristoforo Месяц назад +9

    The world’s only self-invented narcisstocracy

  • @VonKirda
    @VonKirda Месяц назад

    Look and you will find Palantir.

  • @Justice.Obsession
    @Justice.Obsession Месяц назад

    Hi

  • @RonaldTrump-rx3qk
    @RonaldTrump-rx3qk Месяц назад +7

    Israel is simply marketing it. It's part of the sales pitch. There will be many governments around the world considering this for purchase.

  • @JJNoire
    @JJNoire Месяц назад

    Real estate

  • @Anonymus-qp2mb
    @Anonymus-qp2mb Месяц назад

    OMG
    ARE WE REALLY SURPRISED? I AM NOT & NEVER HAVE BEEN, THAT'S FOR SURE.
    THIS WAS LOOKING AT US IN THE FACE, THE TECHNOLOGY WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE WAS A 100% GUARANTEE OF ALL THAT IS HAPPENING.
    NOBODY SHOULD BE SURPRISED ABOUT THIS AT ALL.

  • @Anahita61
    @Anahita61 Месяц назад

    Don't forget Instagram - did I miss it, did you mention it? I get all my Gaza/West Bank news from IG and Al Jazeera (and EI, of course).

    • @cheryllines4106
      @cheryllines4106 Месяц назад +1

      Middle Eastern Eye, Democracy Now & Owen Jones , Secular Talk fantastic coverage too 🙏

  • @punapeter
    @punapeter Месяц назад +1

    What's up with what'sapp? Never used it.

    • @fuckbankers
      @fuckbankers Месяц назад

      Do you use youtube?

    • @punapeter
      @punapeter Месяц назад

      @@fuckbankers no, I'm not here.

    • @punapeter
      @punapeter Месяц назад

      @@fuckbankers no, I'm not here.

  • @salemfathi2532
    @salemfathi2532 Месяц назад +1

    i always refused to join facebook