Science Proves There are More than Two Human Sexes
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
- We're taught that chromosomes define biological sex: XX = female, and XY = male. However it's not quite that straightforward. Hank Green hosts as we explain how science proves that biological sex is a spectrum.
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Some Additional Info: In this episode, we mentioned that those with XXX chromosomes sometimes have minor learning disorders, and that those with Turner syndrome may have mental disabilities. Everyone experiences these things differently, so these symptoms don't apply in all cases! But as for why they sometimes happen? Well, scientists aren't actually sure, and any ideas they do have are extremely complicated. Hopefully we'll know more soon!
@David Renton Your incredulity means nothing. It is actually less than 2% of the population that is intersex.
JayMcDeejay Your entire comment is incorrect.
Scientists do know, and the fact that you don’t shows how stupid you are.
David Renton being a chimera is not synonymous with intersex; many, perhaps most go their entire lives without knowing they are such. There was a case of a woman who was right and was having her children removed from her because her DNA did not match with theirs. It turned out she was a chimera and further testing did find she had another set of DNA that matched her children.
Exactly because human beings are not supposed to have XXX. It’s a defect; not another sex.
Who else saw the title and went straight to the comments section?
🙋🏻♂️
Lmao I was already assuming a moderate video, going to dive into the very rare sex group with more than one sex organ... but I also knew people would jump to conclusion and hit a like or dislike button before watching the video.. 😂😂😂
I grabbed popcorn first but yeah
@Voltaic Fire which were lies in the video?
Watched about 50 seconds, then I couldn't take more.
Wrong. There is only one gender. It's nerf, or nothing.
What's in your wallet??
Gamers rise up
There is only one sex: the human sex
@@Mud9 my food stamp card because I'm poor.
GAMERS RISE
-"Uncle Ben, what happened?"
-"I sorted by new"
_why didn't I knew it was a thing?_
( and now I'm traumatized )
If ben shapiro saw this his head would explode
Its nonsense there are only 2 sexes
Everyone's head will explode if they have at least a basic understanding of biology and logic, and then hear pseudoscientific claims pushed by transgender ideologues.
His feelings don't care about these facts.
I just pictured his Yamulka shooting straight up like a Looney Tunes bit.
Everyone send it to him please!
I remember a case of chimerasm where this mother was about to lose custody of her children because they were not biologically hers. Found out that her reproductive organs belonged to her twin that she absorbed in the womb.
wow thats crazy, i hope she has her kids still
Say whaaaat
I remember this story ☺
I remember seeing a documentary about that, it was wild. I'm glad the judge thought to test her latest kid right after birth.
wtf
*Sees dislike ratio*
Me: Can’t wait to see the comments
The majority of comments: Oh boy can’t wait to see the comments!
People see the title, dislike, and move on. They can't argue the science so they don,'t bother doing so.
XD me too
@@kirklandday very true
Fact
Oh boi
last part is so heartbreaking. of course surgery is sometimes necessary, but it is horrible that so many people feel the need to alter an infant's body to fit their standards of male and female. the choice to have an elective surgery should be left to the person undergoing it. im glad we're moving away from these procedures, but it definitely still happens.
Totally agree. I still can't believe surgeries such as circumcision are still being done right after birth.
I would just ask the doctor if the baby needed any surgery to prevent medical complications, like if stuff were tied in knots. But if that's the way God made their body, maybe it should be left alone.
My parents had me circumcised as an infant, I never had a choice.
@@Ping0309 yep, like that is literally infant genital mutilation that in 99%+ of cases is completely unnecessary.
Let me be clear, I am not disagreeing with you. But this way of thinking is a modern product. To the people 30+ years ago who had limited knowledge of this and were likely unaware that it was fairly common, surgery was the humane and logical thing to do. They didn’t consider the (at the time) unlikely possibility that this would cause dysphoria. Take polydactyls for example, an extra finger could be an issue. It may not be functional or could be difficult to treat in the future. So a lot of times extra fingers or limbs are removed. For them, it was the same line of thinking. If everyone* (as they would have thought) has “normal” genitals and they look a certain way, then a misformarion of them could cause issues. Or rather than being a sign of not fitting into one of 2 genders, it could have been seen as a simple defect at birth. So until we learned more, surgical correction was considered necessary and humane.
@@DewyRueskie-sl7nkThe issue is that it hasn't stopped. Like at all at least in the US. It's still the standard procedure and sometimes parents won't even be told it's being done, let alone the child when they're older. People thinking differently in the past isn't really an applicable line of discussion in response to people saying that something still actively going on should stop.
Referenced infant surgery which is often concealed from the child, but there were cases through at least the 80s where parents wouldn't be informed about such surgeries until after they had already been performed.
I promise you that has never happened.
@@samuelsnow8714tell me you know nothing about the horrible ethics of historical medicine without telling me you know nothing about the horrible ethics of historical medicine
@@samuelsnow8714prove it, I ain't taking a side, but I want both sides to present their info.
@@samuelsnow8714 That litetally IS happening RIGHT NOW in many places around the world, but sure, continue living in your idealistic bubble until something touches you personally.
@@adish1401 Source?..
Sees title in notifications: Oh God
Sees like ratio: *OH GOD*
@@Censtudios yes, smartass!
@@Censtudios the video claims that birth defects with extra chromosomes are new sexes. If you believe this, you are the extremely uneducated one. That's like saying if someone is born without arms, it's completely normal and they shouldn't be fitted for prosthetics to help them function like a normal human.
@@DeadBaron He didnt say they were new sexes, just not 100% one or the other.
@@DeadBaron "Humans aren't born with 10 fingers! Some are born with none!" Is the same logic as what's put in this video.
@@Censtudios Ignorance isn't exclusive to Americans. There's plenty of ignorance to go around.
theres only one gender and its mine. if you have a gender i absorb it
pls take my gender away
This person is the only correct one here.
oh thank god, i've been trying to get rid of mine for ages
Mom says it's my turn on the gender
Oh *that's* where my gender went. You can keep it, I don't need it.
There’s 9 genders:
Red pikmin
Yellow pikmin
Blue pikmin
Purple pikmin
White pikmin
Rock pikmin
Winged pikmin
Ice pikmin
And Glow pikmin
It's pigment. That's crazy.
you forgot bulbmin from pickmin 2
Puffmin be crying in the corner right now
Meep merp!
Glow Pikmins arise!!!
I find it funny that people still think this is wrong
It is. It fails to demonstrate a third gamete type.
I find it funny that people who think this is right can never define what a sex is.
People have a hard time believing because even the most prestigious scientist can have biases
cause it is. facking moron
fun fact i learned: male calico cats actually have DSDs, they are XXY because the genes necessary for the tri-color pattern requires two X chromosomes. that’s why they’re so rare.
also female orange cats!
Debunkign repose: ruclips.net/video/OKdhsDfSmiE/видео.html
Also rare because male calicos are sterile
And they're almost always infertile, unable to reproduce. Which underscores that there are still only TWO reproductively viable biological sexes in mammals. Anything else is a developmental or genetic anomaly, defect, or abnormality that in the vast majority of cases renders them unable to reproduce, or have high rates of genetic or chromosomal defects. We are not worms. There are only two viable sexes in primates.
@@melouch9895 Female gingers are not "rare". About 12% ~ 15% of gingers are female or one in every seven to eight.
The takeaway: if you think anything about biology is straightforward, you're missing something.
If you think that's bad wait till you get to quantum physics.
Symmetry
I dont know... biology says all living vertebrae needs to eat to stay alive and I dont think that isnt straightforward
@@LaLaCucaracha if your vertebrae need to eat then I have some bad news. You have been colonized by a sci-fi manga alien parasite. Vertebrates though generally do need to eat to survive. I say generally because deep sea angler fish males exist and engage in sexual parasitism wherein they fuse their bodies to that of a female and essentially become a sperm producing parasite. They are absorbing nutrients (plants also do that) but not actually "eating" per se.
In biology the words "generally", "usually", and "typically" do a lot of heavy lifting because as was pointed out the one thing that you can count on in biology is that once you "know" a pattern you will find some weird sheet that counters that pattern. Mother Nature just loves to look you dead in the eye and say "hey you wanna see the craziest dam thing you've ever seen in the whole of your species pathetic existence? Like real FXCKING weird?" Ma Nature is absolutely 🦇 💩.
@@LaLaCucaracha well that's more of a dumbed down version of what biology says
A close friend of mine who was assigned female at birth, identified as female, and has totally normal looking female anatomy found out she actually has XY chromosomes after she was having a health issue and got genetic testing done. Gender and sex are definitely on a spectrum, even if it's not always obvious. If she never had genetic testing done she may have never found out.
A spectrum of sex phenotypes does not prove there are more than two sexes.
@@magnomanxThen the person’s friend would really be a man, even though they have the appearance and anatomy of a woman, since they are a genotypic male.
Problem is, that doesn’t make any sense and isn’t a useful classification
@@mcmatthew7898 I'd say they would be chromosomally male and phenotypically female. I've always said that sex is a function of reproduction rather than phenotype expression but in this case the phenotypes align more with the female reproductive functions.
@@magnomanxwould you say that a reproductive male who lets say by some miracle successfully implanted a functioning uterus would become a female?
@@magnomanx yes god! tell them something about genotypes!
About time this was clarified. I swear that I read this 12 years ago while in grad school and have never been able to find it again.
I hope this information can now be spread. Now I can talk to those that are under informed people and finally have the references.
This video is spreading a lot of misinformation, since it is confusing sex determining system with the reason why we have s*x in the first place (which is anisogamy).
Coccodriles do not have se* chromosomes and develop their s*x based on their incubation temparature, despite this they do have male and female se*.
Many plants also do have sexes: the only reason why we can say they do have s*x is only do to anisogamy, otherwise it will be impossible to distinguish sexual and asexual species
It explained early into the video it was talking about the sex determinating process and not the action
@@onyx6489 Indeed...and yet used it to imply there are more than two sexes or that sex is a spectrum when none of the things described defined the existence of a new sex, since many animals, plants, etc... have very strong differences between secondary s*x characteristics (some living organisms have from a biological standpoint secondary characteristics that would have been in the opposite s** in another species) and differentiation. Intersex people indeed can have s** too (meaning, yes, intersex people can be male or female under s**) . The fact they can be ambiguous is not equal to a spectrum, otherwise it will be impossible to justify why some living beings with similar features instead are males if we don't rely to the only taxonomically consistent feature (anisogamy).
Hermaphrodism is the union of the 2 categories (meaning they are both male and female), not a new s*x, since a new s** would require a new gamete type that differ from the others in terms of function (which means that gamete type alone can influence that species reproductive roles).
Needless to say that not having s*x =/= a new s**, since that is the absence of s**, not a new s** by definition.
@@creaomega2643 It's kind of clickbait. I haven't watched the video, but from the title I can tell.
@@ouwebrood497 science videos should not be click bait. This leads to vapid claims like "the sex binary is a myth" and "male and female are arbitrary categories". It's nice that you are aware that the claim in the title is bollocks, but people who are more ignorant than you will be gullible enough to believe it.
**looks at title**
**looks at ratings**
As expected...
OMG, DAE IDENTIFY AS A APACHE DHDHRLLDRFFF.
> Facebook and Reddit every time anything like this is brought up. Social conservatives getting angry about biology
I don't get it, though. Why are there so many downvotes?
@@anactualbucket1082 Because stating that sex is a spectrum rather than a binary is a blatantly false conclusion. The information is otherwise pretty good.
@@PiggySquisherCaleb that's a clearly wrong assertion, did you watch the video?
@@PiggySquisherCaleb State your sources.
It's so annoying when people say "basic biology" when biology is not basic, nor are most things in life. Like, imagine if people were denying multiplication because "there's only additional and subtraction... it's basic math!" It sounds absolutely wild, no?
It's great that you can identify different math functions. But can you even identify different sex functions?
Oooh, politicians are going to have a doozy of a time passing bathroom laws now. Great video!!
You see, you underestimate their skill in stupidity. All one needs to do is look away, and all these complicated issues just disappear!
As a Molecular Biology major, I'm fond of saying that Biology is the study of imperfect generalizations.
As a Biology major, I concur! Biology isn't math; it's a field complicated and complex beyond human comprehension, for every rule there's an exception.
as a physics major there is something wrong with you biology people, to let your politics and feelings dictate what you consider valid.
@@Blox117 Maybe, just maybe, you don't know what you're talking about? You aren't a biology major, as you yourself admitted, after all, yes?
@@Blox117 They just said human biology is morr complex than people think. What's political about that? It's a scientific fact
Would you agree that there are still the categies Tiger and Lion and not a spectrum, even though you can have a nonfunctioning animal in between?
To my biology teacher's credit, he did mention additional chromosomes and DSDs. Good man! And that was 2003 ish.
Same! I'm fortunate my biology teacher taught me most of this in 2005. In a public school, no less.
Don’t be surprised, they’ve been teaching it for decades everywhere. There was never an issue cuz DSDs don’t mean there’s more than 2 sexes. That’s like saying conjoined twins is a gender.
1989 i heard this too.
Back in the mid 2000's, it wasn't connected national hot button. It was just information a thorough study of the human body would turn up. Your teacher is commendable not for his political/moral stance, but for his diligence in teaching detail.
@Dr. Fausto's Ghost Sex is a bimodal distribution, not a binary. That's the distinction.
If you value your sanity, don't read the comments!
oof, that's one hell of a dislike ratio already
How many minutes before the ratio is hidden?
It was published what, four minutes ago? And the video's thirteen long? Huh.
Yeah many people agree with science until it makes them uncomfortable
@@GoggleDumb Is it controversial? Or have people just reacted violently to something they didn't take the time to understand?
EDIT: For the weird internet pedants below who haven't heard, it's possible to use "violent" as an adjective to describe a vicious or extreme reaction, even if no physical blows have been landed. It's almost as though quibbling over semantics is the nearest they'll ever get to making a valid point...
Cinderball In what sense of the word is disliking something violent?
Regarding the modification of infants with DSDs.... My mother was the medical assistant for a urologist for 15 years, in California's Central Valley during the 90s and early 00s. DSDs were not uncommon among farm workers, thanks to tremendous pressure for pregnant women to continue working despite the risks that agricultural chemicals posed to developing fetuses. Typically, an infant with ambiguous genitalia would be assigned female and "reconstructed" to conform to that assignment, for the simple reason that that it was easier to create something that looked like a vagina than it was to create something that looked like a penis. This caused tremendous trauma and dysphoria in many of the people who had been subjected to this, and my mom's doctor made it his specialty to reverse these surgeries in people who wanted it reversed. (He flat out refused to do such "reconstruction" on infants or children.) He has since retired from practice, but I understand that more and more doctors are likewise refusing to do them.
Glad to see that even for the time, they not only kept to a moral ground, but went above & beyond to help on this issue. That doctor had a backbone, which is sadly very rare for humans despite being vertebrates.
That's what so - called "gender reassignment" surgery is. Horrible exploitation.
I'm pretty sure it's stories like these that fuel that part of the media that is fearmongering that parents and doctors are allowing or forcing children to have sex changes. The lack of education in this area is creating a violent atmosphere for those in the transgender community, and that portion of the media that defends them seldom bothers to educate, instead choosing to simply refute that anything of the sort is happening. While it is true that nothing like this is happening for the reasons stated, I think it would be better to point out where these misconceptions come from. It is certainly frustrating watching this play out in the media, knowing full well the whole argument could be shut down with nothing more than the simple (well... complicated, really) truth. It's as though both sides aren't really standing for anything at all, save the perpetuation of what I know to be a non-story, at the peril of the transgender community, doctors, and parents with such affected children.
Every doctor should refuse that, it's flat out child abuse.
_"It's easier to make a hole than a pole"._
A expression used by a very bitter intersex man who had been turned genitally female at birth and then as an adult had himself turned back to a male identity… in a documentary about intersex in the 90's [I think it was a episode of Sex TV ].
Spectrum is not a correct term for describing intersex
Than what's the correct term?
@@carri0n977 Disorder. Humans can be born with a deformed arm ... we don't define humans as being on a spectrum of limbedness. We know a normal human has two arms, and we try and either treat the condition or symptoms where we cannot cure the condition. So with sex.
hilarious how upset some people get when facts threaten their small brains.
As a genetic scientist, the science on this video is very much correct. My only criticism is the fact that all the variations in chromosomal sex mentioned in this video are all considered to be abnormalities. And unfortunately, the vast majority of the conditions mentioned all lead to infertility in the individuals with these genetic conditions. The reason that they are considered to be abnormalities is simply due to the fact that if sex really was just a spectrum then imagine what a nightmare the human race would face in order to reproduce with the sheer number of different sexes that could be possible. Thankfully, sex for the vast majority of human beings is binary and it’s the only reason every single one of us in this comment section is here today. I am in no was dismissing any of the points made in this video however it is very important that people understand the facts of chromosomal sex.
You have a both intellectual and non offensive opinion, It takes skill to craft one of those. And I salute you sir!
And also wrape... None of us would be here without wrape. Somewhere down the line, there was unconsensual sex being had at least once somewhere. And viola'! This does not justify wrape. I mention it as I feel a pretty good shoot down of the "what if she was raped?!" Abortion justification, also Epstein didn't kill himself. Lets see...The 2A is probably the best and most necessary part of the constitution.
Leah Christian I was going to say, this video is true to a degree but it also isn’t. Intersex people obviously exist, but that doesn’t necessarily mean human sex runs as a spectrum because those conditions are genetic malfunctions that can result in a whole range of lifelong health concerns and often sterility. They aren’t usually passed down to offspring as far as I’m aware. Not to mention, intersex people can still be biologically sexed as male or female when taking into account a range of other physiological factors present at birth, but with chromosomal and developmental defects complicating a clearer distinction.
@@shrryph I've been arguing points with a lot of people on this subject and someone brought up an interesting concept.
One does not have to healthy to have a legitimate sex, and even though there are a small amount of people in the middle, It can still be defined as a spectrum.
So If we wanted we could call gender a spectrum, Put XY on one end, and XX on the other, then all the unhealthy partial sexes can be placed in the middle.
My only problem with this is, how do you measure how much male to female ratio someone has? Is a baby born and the doctor goes. (Well this one would be male, but it has two X chromosomes and a Y, We would place him at a ratio of 2 female to 8 male, but it also has no male sex organs, and a half formed womb. We would define this as a ratio of 4 female to 6 male... the body will probably try to reject the womb later in life. So we could try faking it out and make it a 3 to 7 ratio.)
Basically I thjnk that the definitions get way too overly complicated If you try to add an in between section.
I think that people should be defined as Male, Female. (Or in a very extreme case, Neither) Just because the implementation of a sexual spectrum seems to me to be way overly complex.
Luke Bullock Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. The natural existence of genetic or developmental abnormalities (Which occur in humans in pretty much every way you can think of, not just in relation to biological sex) doesn’t change that fact. What should matter is that everyone deserves basic human rights and personal dignity, absolutely regardless of what they might be carrying around in their DNA.
Hat's off to my junior high biology teacher who taught us what little they knew about this back in the 70's. Thanks, Mr. B.
What a legend. Thank you Mr. B 👏👏🙏
Gender may be a spectrum but it’s all between the two main genders.
That's pretty impressive that they even knew anything ok the topic to begin with. I didn't learn anything about this stuff until my college classes.
@@wrongthinkery8357 Your point being...?
@@wrongthinkery8357 Colour might be a spectrum but it's all between the two main colours - ultraviolet and infrared. What's your point? There still aren't just two colours or two genders.
Once again, a clear and informative presentation. Thank you very much.
Unfortunately, he doesn't make the case. There are still only 2 sexes.
@@Alan112573 I don't think you even watched the video, nor looked at any of the sources listed. Please take your bigotry elsewhere.
@@beesRsuperior Yeah, I did. And it's not bigotry to disagree with this video; the truth is, he provided ZERO pieces of evidence for a third gamete, which is required for there to be a 3rd sex. If you think any of those resources provide evidence for it, please tell me which.
@@Alan112573Sounds like you're just clinging to an unhelpful definition
@@oskarhenriksen How so?
I only noticed one error in this video. Intersex diagnosis only occurs in 0,023 % of live births. This number is based on the last year’s statistics from Norway, and might not be universal.
I would imagine this statistic covers specifically the definition of intersex in which someone has both genitals, and not other chromosomal abnormalities that Hank is including. Just a guess though I haven’t seen the study. I would be very interested in seeing it though as Norway has some of the best research in sex and gender in the world.
@@itsamari4556 ok. Let’s see if I can clear this up. In Norway there are born 50 000 to 55 000 children every year. Approximately 300 are born with some kind of developmental abnormality to their sexual organs. 10 - 12 of these are diagnosed with one of the intersex conditions.
@@itsamari4556 the one hand is using is based off of a paper that was debunked 2 decades ago. The author included a condition that is not intersex in the slightest and discounting it the rate was 0.05% and even that was counting cases not typically considered intersex
Yes, he is using a 24 year old paper that was full of two pages of math errors and included things that weren’t intersex like late onset CAH
@@DerpMcDerp-gb3ss Haha no wonder I couldn’t find the study, I couldn’t find anything recent that had numbers anywhere close to that.
See's title
Oh the comments are gonna be this format
Joey Laxson meta
wrg
See is title?
@@PlayMoGame 🤣🤣🤣 I'm about to die laughing
An actual developmental biologist completely debunked the learning utility of this "educational" video:
mobile.twitter.com/fondofbeetles/status/1195045259463602179?s=21
*Checks comments*
"Oh, these aren't actually so bad"
*Sorts comments by newest first*
" *Oh* *dear* "
Wait you can sort comments on yt?
@@BluMacaw yes the option is right next to the ammount of comments under the video
Forgot about that. Thanks. The little EQ thing to the right of number of comments. Playback speed is good for long reddits if your impatient. And "oh dear" indeed! 😬 😂
cooltop101 tried that and omfg everyone’s going apeshit 😂
THIS
And let's not forget how people confuse sex with genders. It REALLY pisses me off.
Isnt gender a social reference in regards to sex?
@@aceinspadesz4882 Yes your sex can influence your gender, but some people don’t feel comfortable in their own body. They feel the need to identity as something else they feel comfortable with. But I do understand what you’re saying.
Yeah, but sex really is not a spectrum
@@ryanymatorsanimationen4674 yeah but intersex people exist or people who’s gender doesn’t match their sex. They’re a result of their chromosomes, they might have an extra chromosome or a genetic mutation.
Ah the "there are only two genders" crowd. Never mind biology, they should pick up an authorative modern dictionary. 😂
wow 2% actually seems like a lot to me...certainly not a "one in a million" kind of thing. i wonder how high/prevalent something has to be (and visible) for society to accept that it is a thing that exists? it's unfortunate that rarity and invisibility (sometimes surgically purposefully) ends up with people refusing to accept it at all. 😞
It’s not 2% this idiotic study included people with micropenis. It literally said “what should a humans junk look like” and then worked from there
yeah, the number is like 1.7-2%, but the vast majority of those are actually quite minor deviations. e.g. if the urethral opening on a penis is a few millimeters to the side, this could be considered a "Disorder of Sexual Development"
Oh dear, like to dislike ratio is off to a great start lol
Most right-wingers see a title they dislike and dislike it without having watched the video. That's how that works.
@@Cancellator5000
Right wingers? I'm left leaning and I disliked the video.
@@killtyrant Why?
@@killtyrant no you're not lol
KillTyrant I hate this video too. Sex is not a spectrum lmao
This looks like the perfect Thanksgiving topic.
Well, considering my presence as an intersex person makes all Thanksgiving celebrations awkward, maybe it is.
LOL
Lmao 😂
Let us know how it goes when you bring it up :P
I have an extra chromosome, so I'm finally going to bring up the topic of me being interspecies.
My first thought anytime I see “science proves…” is that something is off about it. Great video and content as I’ve seen so many times from this channel.
The facts in the video do not support the conclusion in the title. There are only two sexes and many DSDs.
There are two sexual functions. The rest is behavior, and human behavior has functionally infinite variation.
There's one gender: it's Nerf or nothing 😤
Imagine making a joke about gender on a video that doesn´t focus on gender
This comment was made by people who actually watched the video gang
Tomas ArVu u mad?
@@qeiwpwldkdofshishdijxosix9518 nope, I was just pointing out that this joke can result misleading for anyone who jumped straight into the comments without actually watching what the video is about.
@@BigSplenda1885 So they're just sick of science. Gotcha.
@@ttomasarias3719 imagine being triggered.
My best friend (who killed himself during covid) had xxy chromosomes. He also had ASD and OCD, which I ponder if was related.
When he went out in public, despite presenting and identifying as a male hippy, he'd get an uncomfortable amount of attention from men. Hope you're at peace and feel fully accepted wherever you are dude.
I'm sorry for your loss
Deepest condolences
Heya! Another Autistic person here idk about OCD but from what I understand about autism that wouldn't be likely unless chimerism specifically changed how fast their brain developed and how quickly that development plateaued
It is sad when someone you love finds the world such a cold place.
So sorry for your loss. It must be very difficult, I hope you’re okay.
Many many people have differences in anatomy, and most never even know about it. I had several abdominal surgeries back before they learned to do it less invasively with a scope, so while my stomach was stretched wide open with instruments so that the doctors could do surgery, they had to have noticed that I had more than one item where only 1 belonged, but it was never told to me. The knew it would likely never affect me, so they decided not to bother telling me. I don't mind because it never became important. Much later an ultrasound technician told me.
There is an almost infinite list of possible differences people can have, some are obvious from birth, some only show up later and cause problems, and some are only found in an autopsy.
The idea that so many people were (and some still are) made to be so traumatized is a horrible shame! Some people want to think that if others don't fit their narrow idea of "normal" the person or people are not ok. That is SO WRONG! All people are deserving of an equal amount of love and caring, no matter what their anatomy is, or sexual persuasion, or what gender they identify with the most, if any.
This video is by far the best explanation of these issues I have ever seen. It should be shown in every school, once in maybe grade six (Yes 11 year olds are able to comprehend a lot of it), and again in grade ten or twelve. It should also be available in every school library.
There are SO MANY things that are SO IMPORTANT, but are left out of the kids' Sex Education Program. That greatly harms them, and us all. Openness and honesty are what's needed, and no school should be able to opt out, nor should parents be allowed to opt their kids out, and all home schooling should be required to show this at those 2 levels too.
There are several other Sex Ed subjects that are also not touched on, or not covered well enough, and need to be covered much better. Otherwise they learn a bunch of falsehoods from each other, and that is very harmful.
I highly recommend all parents of teenagers to make sure their kids see this.
I happen to be intersex as a result of early gestation related germ cell sexual development. As a result one gonad developed as fetal ovotestis with an attached 10 cm germ cell teratoma. In addition I had many other teratoma in various areas of my body. One of these teratoma grew to about 17.5 cm.
If that were not enough I also developed at least stage three cancer that happened to ovarian cancer
At a kennel I worked at, there was a dog with DSD. The dog appeared male, but when the owners tried to neuter the dog, the vet realized the second testicle was inside. So the vet opened the dog’s abdomen and found the second testicle - as well as ovaries. The owners had already named the dog “Caleb” so they just went on with that and called the dog “him”, but since dogs don’t have a concept of gender for Caleb to identify with, there wasn’t really anything to say definitively whether he would be considered a male dog or a female dog. So me and the other kennel workers liked to call him our “non-binary doggo” lol
thank you for that story
how long ago was this? is there a chance caleb's kickin?
@@nicreven This was a couple years ago and he was maybe 4 or 5 at that point. Medium-small dog, so probably
@@skylark7921 very good
I'm imagining a swarm of bees taking the shape of a dog, and it's still a good doggo.
@@nicreven Haha, I realize this was probably not your intention, but I read your "very good" in a very sinister tone in my head at first, and was like "oh no, what are they planning to do with that dog!?"
Facts don’t care about your feelings just got a whole new meaning.
"facts don't care about your feelings!"
"the scientific consensus is that neither gender nor sex are binary-"
"i will choose to ignore these facts because they don't align with my feelings"
@@jokunortti lol, Males produce sperm that fertilises an Ova, females produce an ova that is fertilised by sperm to create a baby, any entity that does not do one of these two things is not a new sex, they are an abnormality. Chimera exist but they too are an abnormality not a new magical 3rd sex, as far as i'm aware nobody reproduces like a f*cking bacteria in the human species. My feeling = zero, now please come back at me with all of YOUR feelings.
@@carloskillface5990 Nearly the entire population of Russia (130 million intersex/DSD vs 140 million Russia's population) is a bit higher than what I would call an "abnormality." This video has a provocative title, but that title isn't exactly what's being shown in it. Hank Green (and nearly every biologist) is saying that sex is a spectrum. Not 2. Not 3. Not 57000. A spectrum.
@@wiiu42 LOL 130 million people have one leg, there is spectrum of legs,... i don't care about the AMOUNT of people with an abnormality the number means nothing, it is still an abnormality, there are no inbetween sexes. If they are unable to reproduce using a sperm or ova that their body produces (when they are a mature adult) they are an abnormality. I also don't care about what ever appeal to authority fallacy you like to put in there, my wife has a 1st class honors degree in human biology and she says there are only 2 sexes and there is NO spectrum (see, appeal to authority MEANS NOTHING).
@Canonymous Shadow lol, how about you challenge the rest of my comment instead of a quip i placed in there (to trigger libcucks) AFTER the facts i wrote down. i expect no reply
Thank you for the education!
comment section sorted by newest making me loose the faith in humanity that I didn't knew I still had
Yup. Reading the comments put me at ease, until I sorted by new. Seems like we, as a species are evolving, just backwards
The newest comments are the most based. Two gametes, two sexes ✌️
@@cyclicozone2072 sure mr. more knowledgeable than the entire scientific and medical community
@@3_14pie Do you think scishow represents the entire scientific and medical community? Do you believe that the scientific community believes there are more than 2 sexes? You’re sadly mistaken 🤣🤣🤣
@@cyclicozone2072 sure, tell me about all your reputable sources
The "inside male, outside female" (Androgen Insensitive Syndrome) was on an episode of House, for exactly the reason mentioned at 11:35. The patient was a model (gorgeous lady) and ended up being diagnosed with that because she had testicular cancer.
I remember an episode of ER on that too
Great show! The prognosis didn't go down well with the dad.
What season?
and the she goes through the removal of the testicles and continues life as normal
@@facelessdrone yeah as much as I love house it can be very problematic. A lot of bigotry written of as jokes or not meant to be taken seriously. So it hasn’t aged well
So what other gametes are there?
brilliant!
Me: Oh boy I can't wait to read the controversial comments!
The Comments: Oh boy I can't wait to see the controversial comments!
It's the second time I've read seen this comment...
Wow what an original comment. You're so funny and special Caleb!
@@nawtilismaelis2043
Thanx I try!
LMAO YESSSSS!!! xD
@@gregordaine7944 when have humans ever practiced selective breeding outside of isolated communities? If anything we're purpose built to intermingle as much as possible.
Well done on the intro/disclaimer, very grounded and realistic but still adressing societies rediculous loading on these subjects.
I'm here to read the comments...
Aaron P hello
You really have to dig and get lucky. They censord most of the voices calling out Sci Show for going against science. We had this coming, we put sci next to fi for so long that fiction took over.
Politics dont belong in science, this video is a disgrace.
@@warrenphilips8441 So I'm a biology student studying developmental biology and this is very much representing where the scientific community is now. You may not agree with it, but that doesn't make it less "Science".
To quote something I've seen used a lot (ironically used mostly as an argument for binary thinking) "Science is science, it doesn't care what you believe or think"
@@judith769 that simply isn't true though, i mean maybe in an ideal perfect world but humans run studies and humans decide what studies to run, which is informed by preference which is at least in a small part influenced by political opinion as well as other factors. and when you know for a fact that your work is going to influence politics, you cant say your completely A political. though for reference i did like the video i'm just a physics student checking the state of the scientific method right now
For reference: 2-6% of people in the United States have red hair.
Just sayin'. 2% is a lot more common than it sounds like.
For reference: the true figure is 0.02%. See Sax, 2002
@@markh.876 ^^^^^^^^^ this! Androgen insensitivity does not a separate sex make. 2 in 10 thousand people have phenotypic sex that is incongruous with their chromosomal sex OR have chromosomal sex that is not distinctly male or female.
@menckencynic Good comment, its a shame RUclips promotes pseudoscience for their agenda.
@menckencynic Totally agree. People have two legs, yes there are people with one or no legs who either have a been in an accident or had a congenital problem. There may even be a tiny minority who have extra appendages but that doesn't mean that you define people as having 0-3 legs. They have two or are an abnormal outlier with a problem that if we can address it to help them we should. If they don't want it addressed then fair enough, that's their choice. Just becase someone chooses not to address something as a problem it doesn't mean it's not a problem. If you had a haemorroid that you decided not to see a doctor about or get removed then it doesn't mean that the haemorroid is not a problem it just means you are exercising your right not to address your own problem. People should always still be treated with respect but conflating genetic problems with genders in order to make a statement more politically palatable is ridiclous.
@menckencynic Humans are actually oogamous. Meaning that they have one small motile gamete and one large immotile one. Anisogamy can include those with gametes that are both motile. Oogamy can be thought of as a more advanced form of anisogamy.
I don't know what expert would make a mistake like that but I guess everyone makes mistakes.
4 years ago and some people still continue to deny the truth
4 years ago and some people still can't define what a sex is
@@magnomanx easy. there are to sexes. the one i had with your dad, and the one i had with your mom
@@KiiBon It’s funny because you can’t even define mom or dad 🤣🤣🤣
@@stellarii4077 yeah i can. parent of female gender and parent of male gender. but i understand if you don't have either
@@KiiBon Male and female are sex labels, dingus 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for demonstrating the biological underpinnings of men and women ✌️😂
I have Klinefelter's syndrome and have been injecting testosterone since I was 29. I went thru a masculinizing puberty in my 30s.....what a trip!!!
"Did I learn nothing but lies in High school?" yes, because science is so complicated and constantly changing that it has to be dumbed down so much that it basically becomes a misrepresentation of the facts before you can teach it to the average teenager.
tinyjazzhands: I dropped out of both a BSc program, and Nursing School as well, and my concepts about sexual development were improved by this video. Scientific understanding of “sex” has changed since the 70’s and 80’s!
Okay but mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.
I agree, except for a small detail.
I'd say not "before you can teach it to the average teenager". It's more "before you can reduce it to a simple enough message that it will both be agreed upon by those setting educational standards (often with their own cultural or religious biases) and be able to fit into the standardized curriculum being shoved into kid's heads on a strict schedule".
Kids and teens are totally capable of understanding way more than we give them credit for. It's just that we force them into education that doesn't work with how their brain learns.
For instance Jupiter only had 16 moons when I was in highschool.
I don't know about your high schools but my high school taught me this.
lmaooooo i've never seen such a perfectly symmetrical like/dislike ratio
For now, I think the dislikes will prevail
ruclips.net/video/Vx5prDjKAcw/видео.html
Is this the place where I put "Thanos has joined the replies"?
@introvert sorry i ruined it for you but it was just too funny
@Kay you lost me, who are the trolls and who are the bots?
That isnt more than 2, that's just 2 combined.
What are you even saying?
@@ratatouillepg3135 the video suggests there's more than 2 sexes because intersex people exist. That isn't the case, it's just the 2 sexes, male and female, combined.
@@ratatouillepg3135 The vid is trying to explain there's more than 2 sexes/genders by explaining the existence of intersex, except thats a mutilation combining the TWO sexes. It's just both, not a new one
@@uno9915Then the hybrid is a different set than male or female
5 days from now: Comments disabled
5 days I'm predicting 5 hours
Why wait.
Shane Rooney
Because of toxic xenofobes
... and this is what you get when you abandon SELECTIVE breeding and force MASS PRODUCTION on children. Allow degenerate breeding, get degenerate children = child abuse. of course this show never mentioned child abuse.
@Dhanushka Jayasinghe i watched it im leaving my dislike
Hmmm, the like to dislike ratio is strangely different on a sci show video
You mean Sci-Fi Show video?
@@Renoht290 amen
@@mads855 spoken like someone operating off of some religious dogma and not fact based reasoning lol
@@Renoht290 I mean it makes sense to me, but why do you think otherwise?
And it's not like everyone is special, there is a binary malefemale but there are also irregularities in the chromosomal development of sex, as said in the video.
@@Renoht290 No, they meant sci show
Seeing as this is, you know, science
I thought it was just us radicals who said gender is a spectrum!!! I'm 70 And have said it for 50 years. At least!
It is just anti-science radicals. Gender is binary. Cope 🤣
@@cyclicozone2072OK coward.
@@cyclicozone2072 Gender is not binary
@@rgblackshorts sex is binary and gender identity is not even a scientific concept
@@magnomanxOK coward.
so this is why conservatives stopped saying phrases such as "science says", now that science says different. I love that this video includes sources from reputable resources and not twitter or daily wire.
And this is why you need to have some basic critical thinking skills because what he said was a lot of nothing.
The title claims that there are more than two sexes when in reality, he neither defined sexes correctly nor did he show any example of more than two sexes. All he showed were mutations that caused SOME people to have BOTH female and male characteristics but at the end of the day, we are still able to put them, consistently, in two binaries. Yeah, sure, chromosome number variations have shown that sexes aren't seperated by just a simple X-Y division, but that was expected considering the fact that chromosomes are not the basic level of genes, they are basically just large groups of certain genes. So it shouldn't be a surprise that what matters are the individual genes, not JUST how the gene structures look. Also, X-Y Chromosomes were differentiated based on mere appearance only. So that was also another red flag.
At the end of the day, he has not shown the existence of any third sex, there isn't anyone who can reproduce with themselves. At worst, there are infertile people with huge health issues caused by genetic mutations, just like down syndrome. They aren't different sexes but deviations/dis-orders from their ordered sex.
@@holyromanemperor420 cope harder, coward.
@@holyromanemperor420Nailed it
@@cyclicozone2072OK coward.
@@Alex-gh8iu barking "coward" like a dog is not a convincing argument
Nature: Refusing to fit into neat little boxes since... forever, really.
I don't know, sperm cells and egg cells are pretty neat separate little boxes
Nature: We fit into neat little boxes 98% of the time..
@@Axodus man, you are obsessed and wrong, hilariously wrong on its face. Read your own comments "if 98% of people fit in a binary" 2% dont and sex isnt a binary, you played yourself.
@@Axodus You are "normal", everything in the universe is black and white, and everything you believe is true. Any exceptions can be simply dismissed as an abnormality and absolutely nothing learned from them.
There, do you feel better now? I hear it's even easier to believe if you don't obsessively troll-comment on the internet.
That's life
"Gonadal Ridges" is the name of my Klingon language indie band.
You watch toaflatamous bro?
Qapla'
Sounds pretty metal, actually
"Gonadal Riffs"
You all need a bassist?
My car having the defects of having either 3 or 5 wheels makes it a faulty car with 3 or 5 wheels, not a new kind of vehicle.
@@zacharytaylor190 Sex is a category of individuals based on their roles in reproduction. There are only two roles in reproduction: to fertilize and to be fertilized. As such, reproduction takes place when one of each category come together and in 100% of the cases, you ALWAYS need 1 of each category and you ONLY need 1 of each category. If one of those 2 individuals is missing or is of the same type as the other, reproduction doesn't take place. If an extra individual participates, that individual adds nothing new and is not needed. Therefore there are only 2 sexes and human sex is binary and there is no such thing as a sex spectrum.
Hank I HOPE YOU READ THIS in the NAME OF ACCURACY - I always love y'alls content - and I completely understand that it can be hard to always be relaying accurate info - y'all did a great job tackling this complex topic AND as an educator of LGBTQ topics - I felt that some keys things ought to have been more emphasized in the video: (I know it can be hard if you listened to every single person who has points like mine but I urge you to consider these please)
1) It would have been important to note that these surgeries that doctors perform are in most cases purely cosmetic - you DID mention that it stemmed from doctors in the past believing that it would lead to emotional trauma and later in the video stated they aren't necessary surgeries but I felt this point wasn't quite clear - that it is just based on cosmetics. Ensuring the baby looks like one gender. Speaking about it the way you did seemed like these surgeries had more scientific basis when it doesn't really. These surgeries are being done because we are trying to fit people in boxes of men and women. Cosmetic surgeries in every other case are done on adults who give consent and yet this is a cosmetic surgery that is done on babies. things like tattoos even must only be done on adults - but something like completely changing a babies body, the way they develop, grow up, have sex, and change their genitals - such a life changing surgery is done on babies.
2) you said something like "hard to note how many surgeries have - or are being done" - when in reality most countries are performing these surgeries still. Only 6 countries in the world have banned these surgeries so THE MAJORITY OF the world is still performing these harmful surgeries that rob people of their autonomy. And no, in Canada and the US these surgeries are legal still. (the progress and change of treatment that you mentioned is happening is not very wide spread at all) It was spoken about as if this is now the new standard and is implemented everywhere. When in actuality for example, California is the only state that has banned these surgeries. So yes these surgeries are still being done. Lots and lots of intersex activists are working to stop hospitals from performing these.
3) mentioning that its hard to tell how many of these surgeries are happening isn't clearing stating the fact that: the reason it's hard to get the numbers - is because often even doctors don't do the paperwork required to show these surgeries even happened. Often these surgeries are hidden. Adults who find out they are intersex often have to jump through loops to find these papers - and even sometimes are not able to find them.
4) the harm that comes from these surgeries was only briefly touched on - pain, scarring, loss of sensation, and gender dysphoria just aren't it. The gender that doctors decide on - often is wrong - and folks grow up being told they are one gender and the shock that comes when during puberty they start developing in a completely different way - the confusion and harm and loss that comes with this is great. feeling broken, different and confused as to why. Perhaps discussing the complications - and at times some folks are actually made infertile because of the surgeries - their fertility robbed. 2) taking autonomy away from intersex people of how they want their bodies to be and performing cosmetic surgeries has lots more harm than we may think. - this was touched on but I believe not emphasized enough.
5) calling it "chosen gender" sounds vague - as if the person may have chosen this gender - when really this gender was assigned and decided on by a doctor. This could have been more clear.
6) you mentioned how sometimes the surgeries are useful - when really the development of things like testicular cancer are actually not very common at all. and most times parents are told by doctors their baby may develop cancer when it isn't actually the case, just to persuade them to perform the surgery - as in doctors misinform people. (I know this may be detrimental to share with the public as there already seems to be a distrust in scientists and doctors - and I know how harmful that can - ex: people not believing in covid - but I think given that science is rooted in truth - it would be good to be truthful about what is happening in medical wards with intersex babies)
I would urge y'all to do some more research on intersex people - taking some of this from straight from intersex advocates - some of their life missions are to correct these systems - hence they have had more motivation to do some deep digging and have more access to research that is more accurate. I would urge y'all to also perhaps release an updated version of this video to correct these and share things in a way that is more accurate and clear.
"Are you a boy or a girl?"
I don't know I just got here
I'll know in 24 hours when I can get my starter Pokemon from Prof. Oak.
@needsnaming Darn, you beat me to it!
"Are you a boy or a girl?"
"Sir, this is a Wendy's."
Well, try going with the closest option.
Well, I tried.
I love your comment
I’m really curious about how that father of four in his 70s reacted to the news that he had Fallopian tubes,
Josh the Art Critic Oh, my bad.
Lmao me too!
I swear the only thing responsbile for the dislike ratio is the goddamn clickbait title. The video is actually really informative and backed with hard evidence but that title makes me want to throw my laptop out the window with how clickbaity it is.
@@woopdedoop4811 i mean. is it wrong? doesnt matter how small the amount of people who are these sexes, they exist, therefore there's more than two
@@woopdedoop4811 he's dead wrong on multiple points... Developnental conditions are not extra sexes thats absolutely incorrect.
“It’s basic biology” mfrs when you show them advanced biology
Nothing about this is “advanced” nor does it dispute the binary.
@@cyclicozone2072OK coward.
He didn't give advance bi9logy. He misrepresented what sex was as determination and dont get the job
😊
@@aceinspadesz4882 OK coward.
@@cyclicozone2072 stay triggered, coward.
Everyone should see this. And it should be mandatory for politicians and scotus.
Everyone in high school should be taught that different karyotypes are not new sexes.
So to sum this up. Genetics are complicated and simple solutions aren't really a way to go
the "simple solution" fits 98% of all cases, whereas some random defects can arise in 2% of cases and in that 2% a good amount are partially or fully infertile, I wouldn't call them "new sexes" but more a defect of the current sexes.
@Axodus Not even 2% the amount of people with Intersex conditions is actually more like 0.018% So it's about as rare as dwarfism, and personally I've never seen a dwarf in person.
@@Axodus so youre agreeing that genetic sex is a bimodal distribution rather than a binary?
@@Axodus and that's irrelevant, even if 98% fits I to one of two groups, that's not a binary, as soon as you admit there are options beyond the second one, it's no longer a binary.
@@oBCHANo source? All the information I've seen places it much higher. The video cites a source, are you saying that it's wrong?
I think I remember an episode of “House MD” where the big twist was that the patient turned out to have complete androgen insensitivity and so appeared female but had underdeveloped testes hanging around inside of them, and that this was somehow related to whatever mysterious ailment they were suffering from.
samiamrg7, I think it was testicular cancer.
I remember he went to the parent (parents?) and said "Your *son* has testicular cancer".
This one, where son as girl sexualy used his father?
Yea I remember that one! That was the one where she was a teenage model, I think.
Which was stupid and impossible because the complete lack of breasts or any sign of female puberty and the short stature would have given it away long ago. Complete androgen insensitivity is the same as turner’s syndrome in effect. It’s also something a trained eye can see, and you’re not going to be a model with the condition because it makes you look odd (and be short).
They tried to play partial androgen insensitivity got points (height), but it would have been discovered long before, too.
But doesn't this all just mean that somewhere along the process something went wrong that led to these changes? So basically it's an abnormality.
Yes, it is a genetic mutation. Furthermore, the number mentioned at the beginning of the video of "2%" is wrong, the likability of DSD development is between 1 in 1000 to 4500 cases. That is 0.1 to 0.02%.
@@YangChuan2001 Exactly. Either genetic or somatic or psychosocial nowadays because it's a trend and children are being taught things they shouldn't be
If a person has gender dysphoria then okay fine by me, but that doesn't mean we change the structure of society so that they don't feel sad.
That's how blue eyes happened. It's just an abnormality, so we can pretend it's not there. Everybody has brown eyes.
I love how literally anything is possible in an infinite universe, but having more than 2 sexes for some people is just inconceivable.
Watch parodox instititute
I love how people who believe there are more than two sexes can literally never actually define what a sex is.
@@magnomanx they cant even say that gamets are binary because that whould invalidate their statements.
Define sex
More than 2 sexes has never evolved on earth. "Why only 2 sexes" is what the real biologists actually think about.
They finally talked about Turner’s. I have that. I am phenotypically female and biologically as well by default, since I don’t have the SRY gene. Since I don’t have the double dose of some of the female reproductive genes, those parts are underdeveloped or missing. I do have a vagina and uterus, but they couldn’t find my ovaries. And, even if I did have them they will most likely be hard and fibrous with little to no eggs. So, to keep up my female parts, I take a hormone patch and I had to take growth hormone shots. There is a gene on the X that needs two copies, so people with Turners are short. The good thing is it doesn’t affect my general intelligence, and actually helps it in some ways. Girls with Turner’s normally have a similar cognitive profile to those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder. This means there is a noticeable split between verbal and nonverbal IQ. So, I have a wide vocabulary, retain information well, and can read on a high level, but I have trouble with visiospatial things, understanding body language and sarcasm, and with directions. It does sadden me that it will be pretty much impossible for me to have biological kids without divine intervention, but there are plenty of kids who need moms and dads that are in foster care now. Though Turners can be tough to have at times, I trust this is how God wanted it and is part of my divinely ordained purpose and plan.
This is so interesting but if you mind can I ask how has this if at all changed your perspective on the ideas of sex n gender? Like does this at all change how to identify, relate or not feel part of the lgbtq+ community like how the intersection community is divided, n from what I'm getting u are religious so have you ever had problems with ppl invadating you being a women(if you identity as that) or made u struggle with gender dysphoria?
Laney L - this is a valuable and thoughtful contribution to this discussion - so thank you very much. You are obviously very well-informed on this topic and you write very well indeed - in a style that demonstrates a solid disciplined education, intelligence and insight. Previous to this, my only knowledge of Turner Syndrome was from a brief introduction at medical school. It's a great pleasure to correspond with you and I wish you all the best from Australia!
This is the type of person who will be effected by those bigoted, uneducated, fear-mongering, hypocritical, know-nothings who are making bomb threats to children's hospitals!
at least you have that backup x, if something goes wrong with Y we are *screwed* (even though nearly all of it is deactivated)
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Fun fact: the coat color of cats is determined by genes on the X chromosome (on the black/brown/orange spectrum, not really white patches). Which means that to have 2 different colors in the coat, such as in a calico or tortoiseshell, the cat is almost always female! But males do exist with this coat pattern for some of the same genetic reasons explained in this video
And probably for some of the same reasons orange/ginger cats are 3 times more likely to be male.
Yes xxy males
What about stripes?
Amazing... This should be required viewing for all state and national legislators... and maybe some religious leaders.
We don't need to watch false info, sir.
@@anonymousperson6462 Which means "ignore anything I don't like even if it is true"
Man i bet science class was really bad on your time :(@@anonymousperson6462
I have Turner Syndrome, which means a piece of one of my X chromosomes is broken off so I'm very interested in this video.
Thank you for amending the learning disabilities claim; I might be socially disordered lol, but I got good enough grades and I have a college degree and will have a post grad certification in 2 weeks
Hey, I wish you good luck :)
@Josh the Art Critic isn't it obvious because it's a single X and with X you are female?
@Josh the Art Critic So female
Nice
ZPG ZPG go take an embryology class and educate yourself.
Isn't this knowledge pretty old though? When I was in high school, we had anatomy textbooks from 2000ish, and while it had almost no immunology that turned out being correct, the XXY and XYY and chimerism were in there.
new enough for all those dislike
@@oldcowbb The dislikes are for the title. I think if they worded it differently it would be better received.
Look at dislike ratio xd
It's literally older than the scientific method or our understanding of how reproduction works, but for some reason people get really offended when they hear something that their underpaid 10th grade science teacher didn't have time to teach them
This was stuff taught in my 7th grade health class, the only difference is now they're labeling gender as a spectrum instead of labeling the people as genetically defective. In other words, the science hasn't actually changed, the scientists are just having to be politically correct so they don't get sued every time they print a health/biology book
Question: In keeping with evolution and genetic mutations through natural selection, show me how these mutations discussed actually benefit the person and or groups if the previous mutations throughout our evolutionary history occurred that actually benefited us to better handle our environment.
Applying a more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.
Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female.
How common is intersex? a response to Anne Fausto-Sterling
Leonard Sax. J Sex Res. 2002 Aug.
me: oh the comment section looks pretty civil
me: *clicks newest first*
me: i don’t know what i expected
Josh the Art Critic I’m confused as to what that could mean, but go on.
Josh the Art Critic Max? And how is this propaganda?
I looked cuz of this comment.
It was scary.
@Josh the Art Critic yeah dude "political websites" like nature, good one
@Josh the Art Critic so you didn't even read my comment, but you reply anyway, nice. I took issue with you calling scientific journals, "political websites". Your disregard for scientific journals combined with your displayed reading skills does not lead me to believe that you "reading up on this" actually provided you with any scientific knowledge.
Life Rule Seven: if it looks simple, you don't understand it.
Biological sex isn't simple. That doesn't make it a spectrum.
Agreed. Rare slight variations do not simply make a binary a spectrum.
@@pre-packaged_9692
By definition, if a variation that doesn't fit into the binary exists... it's not a binary...
Nah rule 7 is Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)
@Cool Dude google gödel's incompleteness theorem
I learned a lot here and I am almost 100% positive I have a DSD of some kind, I always have been, toursion also happened to me and 1 of my organs died, I have never been comforable with my agab, so this was kinda good in a sense for me, I just kinda wish both did then I wouldn't be in half the mess I am in. Also one of the DSD's you listed somewhat describes me to some extent but minus the extra T production but I did lose 1 T factory, really wish I would have lost both. Also when I got my hormone levels checked to get put on HRT my estrogen was REALLY high for someone who is AMAB and my T was predictiably low because of what had happened to me, they both were about the same and I kinda always presented a bit androgonis to the point when I came out to my long time friends a lot of them said they already knew, and so did some of my family. But I have always had some secondary traits of both male and female, I just wish it was all fem and not masc. But without that surgery that I had when I was a kid to remove the 1 I would have died, so banning it for children is kinda really bad and going to kill some kids.
Kids aren't going to die if they don't get their natural hormones blocked and put on cross sex hormones which is a one way ticket to having healthy organs removed. Many of these kids are caught up in the social contagion of pronouns, and it's cool to anything other than a straight homosexual. Leave the kids alone.
I love that you keep opinion out of the presentation. It makes the information easier to digest agents it goes against what we've been thought or while lives.
When I was in middle school, I was friends with someone who was intersex. She identified as a girl, and she had a somewhat masculine voice. A lot of kids bullied her, and it pissed me off because she was such a sweet girl. If they took the time to get to know her, they'd see how cool she was. She explained to me what it was like to be intersex (she had both male and female parts) and I thought it was actually pretty interesting. I'd never heard of that before.
These are the people that truly suffer. Met a VA that was like that.
kids can be jerks. and so can adults. I hope your friend found many accepting friends in her adulthood. thankfully as this knowledge spreads, there are more people that understand there's a lot of differences in people and we shouldn't mock or tear down people because of those differences.
@@psillyspirit420 Yes, but sadly most people don't try to learn about the struggles of other people if it doesn't effect them personally. And then when suddenly confronted with something they don't understand, they act like it's this terrible thing that needs to be attacked or avoided. We're all just human though. I wish people could love each other and accept all the differences. But I guess you can't have it all. Some people are just going to be assholes.
is it a penis coming out a vagina or is it a vagina intead of balls
check that mf chromosome .. if its xxy ya buddy got dat klinefelter syndrome .. if its xy then ur buddy is a dude
It will always amaze me how almost every single area of study known to man is full of nuance
nuance! layers! textures! context! details! minutiae! dimensions! All relevant, all connected, all difficult to even comprehend - let alone approach -at scale, as the totality of wholeness that it is.
I mean, that's why scientists and scientifically literate people tend not to make absolute claims. Absolute claims are often quippy, comforting, and false.
@@Pluveus I like how the claim present in your reply is not absolute either XD
That’s the fun thing about the universe. As much as we think we can put everything in neat little boxes, it’s not that easy. The world is one big, mysterious mess.
@@Nexus-en1lz Not to mention contradictory. The people who can't handle the idea of intersex people existing will have an even worse time handling quantum physics or the idea that we may well be 2-dimensional holograms in a multiverse. ;P
Wow. Such a great video.
A video about sex can't be great if it doesn't even define sex.
74 year old father of 4 with WHAT!?? 🤯 Nature is so amazing. There's so much about our world and ourselves that we still know very little about. I've always known nothing is as black and white as mainstream science claims. Literally everything in the universe is on some sort of spectrum
SciShow: lists multiple sources in describtion
Commenters: wHeRe ArE tHe SoUrCeS?!?!?!?!?
This so much lol
I've had several people just stop commenting at me when I posted by out the list of sources.
I have to assume this made it to some dark corner of Reddit where people aren't aware the scishow lists it's sources.
not only that but THIRTY ONE sources!!!
Sources still don't say that these abnormalities prove human beings having more than two sexes.
Plus a biologist rips into this video specifically-
mobile.twitter.com/fondofbeetles/status/1195045259463602179?s=21
@@drooleybob I'm a biologist with a PhD in molecular biology. The video presented by Si Show is accurate.
@@drooleybob
"Biologist rips into the video"
Twitter Biologist: "what semantics is male/female semantics and what semantics is sex semantics"
i just wanna say, i love how scishow doesnt shy away from topics that get some knackers in a knot on some folks
@@GintaSuiseiseki Did you just have a stroke?
So there are either male presentations or female presentations. And there is 2% of the population that could have a portion of their presentation be of the opposite sex as the rest of them. Yea that is non binary that is binary with partial presentation. Thats not how spectrums work.
Marko Ahonen
If your knackers are ever in a knot, I recommend heading to hospital asap
@@des1redlearnz185
there is? a bridge between male-nonbinary-female would be men born with mammary glands and females born without, or having atypical body shape (mainly hip widening/staying the same during puberty) that is the "norm" for the opposite sex.
the only thing happening here is you ignoring evidence already there.
@@shlorbin473 "there are more than 2 human sexes" that is the name of the video. We have male presented and female presented. What is the third type. That would make it more than 2 presenting with the opposite of one does not make a different type this video claims there are 3 or more types what is the third type please.
this is so interesting. i wonder if our estimation of people DSD is lower than reality since so many people never discover they are intersex.
That would be the difference between "it's zero point lots of zeros whatever" and "it's actually about 2%."
Most people with phenotypic sex anomalies never know they have these anomalies. With the increasing number of people never attempting to produce children, the number of undetected cases is likely to rise, not fall.
"Science proves that gender and sex are different, there is more than two sexes as well"
Me: ... **Deep sigh, sorts comments by Newest** dear god here we go...
How does the existence of people with disorders that have never produced a gamete other than sperm or egg prove there are more than 2 sexes?
Do it again. The latest comment is a beaut’.
@@DJB01Care to answer?
@@costlymussel3914 answer what? Have you posted another comment that I can’t see?
@@DJB01 I guess you can't see it. Here it is:
How does the existence of people with disorders that have never produced a gamete other than a sperm or egg prove there are more than 2 sexes?
Just another example that you can't force the landscape to fit the map, you always have to adjust the map to fit the landscape.
Well said!
I like that phrase, did you come up with it or is it something you were taught?
I mean you can force it to fit. it just means a lot of terraforming way too much time and effort. how this goes into human social content well i just made it sound very bloody...
What do you mean by that
I like that!
I’m a cytogenetic technologist, and even though this is a difficult subject to understand, this is a very straightforward explanation. It is even more complicated than this. Lol
There are people and they are males and females and there are segments of both which present with various birth defects, psych disorders, and some with both-- none of which are evidence of other genders invalidating the binary-- seems fairly straight forward and not complicated at all
So straight forward and yet some still don't realize that the word spectrum isn't a number
Thank you
@@devilsadvocate9105 Too many are inappropriately conflating a spectrum of developmental sexual disorders, birth defects, personality traits, temperament and psych disorders-- as evidence invalidating the binary and it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny
@@zachman5150 that's a lot of ways to say you don't understand what your talking about and hate your world view being challenged. It's not like actual scientists and phychologists are involved in these studies or anything
Since public restrooms seem to be divided into one or the other, how many restrooms will now be required by sexual differences?
I prefer the McSorley’s Old Ale House method. ONE restroom.
You just figured out what a gender neutral bathroom us, but if l see you in my hood(east village) it's on sight.
Trains, planes and smaller restaurants - of which there are many here in the UK because we simply don't have as much space for buildings as in the USA! - all have one gender-neutral toilet. It's been that way for decades and no-one had any issue with it before the fanatical right wing thrust trans people to the front lines of their culture wars. Even gender-specific rest rooms have lockable cubicles. 🤷♂️
This is...A LOT! But I'm here for it...shout out to the researchers!
I found out at age 47 that I had Klinefelter Syndrome, XXY. I always thought there was something odd, particularly the testicular under-development, but never thought too hard on it. I've always had leading roles at work and was included in an intellectually talented course during high school. Ah well, life is like a box of chocolates...
It's all good Mark. Keep on trucking.
But you're a man
@@evilovesperry and you're a moron despite the username
@@TheKep Why would you comment that
Yeah there are a few genetic abnormalities like Klinefelters, super females (XXX), super males (XYY), and etc. This is mostly due to non-disjunction during meiosis, meaning that chromosomes fail to separate when gametes are formed leaving more than one sex determining chromosomes in the sperm or egg. So instead of two sex determining chromosomes, one from each parent, you might get 3.
I definitely remember learning about extra x or y chromosomes in high school biology. It was short, like, "it does happen, but often goes undetected."
It does not often go undetected polyploids will be obvious
@@malakjudah4080 noone said anything about homosexuality anyway. Do you want to tell us someting?
@@mjouwbuis You're right. Would you like to take us to the part in genetics where sexuality is determined, or shall we wait for an expert to make such a video?
@@christianbrunning5366 You missed the entire basic information of the video. This is not about the LBGTQ community. It is not about sexual orientation at all. Chromosomes are not the only cells that contribute to gender.
Facts also state that there are extremely few individuals that actually represent what most consider the 'norm'. The vast majority fall into categories outside of the so called 'norm'.
If 2% is considered a birth defect, then having red hair should also be classed as a birth defect or abnormality! Red haired people are not classified as having a defect any more than any of the other variations are.
There are huge numbers of people with the so called 'perfect' XY and XX chromosomes but are still infertile. That does not make them abnormal or mutations either.
How pathetic that you assume things that are not prolific are 'defects' simply because you have no knowledge of the variations that are possible.
I always find it fascinating when fools are so seriously threatened by the variation in
biology that you form your own twisted opinion in spite of solid empirical science research.
Ambiguous genitalia is a rare condition in which an infant's external genitals don't appear to be clearly either male or female. In a baby with ambiguous genitalia, the genitals may be incompletely developed or the baby may have characteristics of both sexes.
Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births
Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births
There are less than 2% of the entire population on this earth with red hair.
There are less than 10% of the entire population on this earth who are left handed.
There are less than 8 and 10 percent of people worldwide have blue eyes.
There are less than about 5 percent of the population scores above 120. IQ.
There are less than 15% of the population that are Infertility amounting to 48.5 million couples.
ALL of these neve have been never been and never will be a majority, but they are NOT defects !!!!!
The 6 Most Common Biological Sexes in Humans
The six biological karyotype sexes that do not result in death to the fetus are:
X - Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
XX - Most common form of female
XXY - Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
XY - Most common form of male
XYY - Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
XXXY - Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births
When you consider that there are 7,000,000,000 alive on the planet, there are almost assuredly tens of millions of people who are not male or female.
@@christianbrunning5366 just because we don’t call them another gender doesn’t mean they are necessarily “male or female” did you miss the entire point of this video?
It's not about chromosomes though, it's about gametes. At the end of the day the only to form a zygote is with two cells. Sperm and ova.
Sigh another idiot who thinks because they know one thing they know all. here you go silly idiot. Search up Sex and Sensibility and youll see
But people still have sexual characteristics regardless of sperm or ova, some can't produce either and they still have a sex