I get that Shilo doesn't care for VPin, but this is a miss. At $200 MSRP, this could have had a playable lcd screen with attract modes. Of course it couldn't be a 1/6 scale mechanical and functional table; that would be a tech support nightmare, but a mini VPin with some attact modes built in would have hit the spot so much more and justify the price. I appreciate the time and effort of the recreated 3D playfield, but the novelty is going to wear off quick with just a few light and sound modes. Maybe the right answer is to offer both versions...a VPin or a Diorama piece?
I think they’re disappointed and people who collect like me are running out of space. This is the first new wave toy. I did not pre-order. I’m starting to think what am I gonna do with 30 mini arcades anyway, I buy something they sit on the shelf then they get dusty and eventually one day they get sold, I’m starting to not buy everything that drops specially something that doesn’t do anything
I understand the non playable and am fine with that, but going by the video they put out the gameplay attract mode just appears to be noises and lights. I think what I would want out of simulated gameplay is that the bumpers react, the flippers flip, the targets drop. I know its a prototype and those things might come on down the line, but these are things putting me off. It would be like having one of the replicates have a static screen and just play the gameplay sounds, its ok but its not what people have come to expect from a NWT product
I also think for what it is it’s a little expensive and I don’t think they’re gonna sell well I’m almost sure next Black Friday these will be on sale for $99 with free shipping and then I may grab one. Not even sure if I want to at that point. Eventually things just become a dust magnet.
For $200 definitely it should have been playable. A full mechanical pinball at that size probably impossible. Here’s what they should do. Recessed LCD to give a depth of feel. Bumpers could be physical on top the play field that light up at the appropriate time. Maybe real mini flippers that move with digital game underneath. What they’re offering sound like a Hallmark ornament marked up 4x
For everyone who says it’s $200, that’s true only if you don’t use the code they provide on their website for 20% off. Brings it to $160 and I don’t mind that’s it’s not playable. Most people have them as limited edition displays
I don’t think the physics would work on something that small. The could make it virtual, but you can get a better playing experience with other options that are out there!
I couldn’t disagree with you more. 100% of NWT and NS Cabs are playable (Polybius is a USB hub). Why do these companies make their cabs playable to begin with? Answer, because the majority of people want to have workable, playable arcade cabs. I own all NWT cabs and NS and mine are played. Non-playable = non-starter.
I didn't really hear anything about these until a day or two before they had this announcement, so like all the other New Wave "cabs" I assumed it would be playable in some manner as well. At $200 + tax (I assume free shipping?) to pre-order a fancy paperweight or diorama piece, it's a hard NO for me. It does look cool, and I love the Black Hole pinball game, but they should have been more transparent up front with the real capabilities of this ahead of time.
I’m not sure how much more “ahead of time” they could possibly be? This is first announcement and pre-order-the actual product is at least 9 months away.
19kfox, I actually left you a comment about this in you AVP video, but glad you got to see this. Some made fun of me when I suggested that New Wave Toys could make a functioning one using BB's as Pinballs, but wow, to actually function mechanically might take years of engineering. What I then envisioned was they'd do what ToyShock did, just in 1/6th scale, a hybrid doing a VPin LCD screen for the playfield, and then do a realistic backbox. So it would be playable, but have as much real components as it could. I actually wasn't expecting something not playable, but I'm more like you. I don't play my miniature machines, I add them to my arcade for the attract mode and it gives me the feeling, at least, of having more machines in my Home Arcade. As I mentioned in my other comment, I reached out to New Wave Toys and suggested they might add a USB power hub to the back, maybe 6 or 8 ports to power my other New Wave Toys machines. I think more people might be interested if it had additional practical functionality. Either way, I pre-ordred mine as the decorative aspect works for me. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! vgv
That would have been cool if they used BB's as pinballs. That's what I remember inside many mini palm-sized tables back in the day. I understand they couldn't do all the mechanics on the Black Hole table in that scale, but at least let us pull back the plunger, knock around a ball, and have some flipper action.
Widow, I had many of those palm sized machines, mainly of the Pachinko variety. Those mini BB's could move. And that's why I put it in the maybe category. But I didn't know if the physics would feel the same. Size of ball to size of machine ratio might not be enough to emulate close enough to the real thing and I think that's what New Wave Toys has always tried to pride themselves on. It would be an engineering feat for sure :) So that brings me to my idea of adding a USB power hub. The more I buy of these things, the more hubs I continue to need. I think that would elevate this product to the moon and would make this a 2.0 version of their Hubs for sure. Great ideas! vgv
@@videogamevegas I totally agree with you that the physics wouldn't feel the same. Yet a scaled-down version of mechanical pinball would have been cool even if it didn't have all the features of the original table. It's a shame at least they couldn't have put an HDMI out for a Vpin version of Black Hole allowing you to use the mini plunger and flippers to control the Vpin on an external display.
On a further note, you “can” have playable. Get yourself a ALP micro, buy some legs, and get Black Hole skins for the cabinet. Select Black Hole pinball game and voila. Of course, you’re now at $500.
I think it looks cool even if you can't play it but when they make their next Pinball Machines, you will be able to play them as I'm sure New Wave will find a way.
I have mostly every new wave product minus 3 cabinets. I even have the cigarette and art machine and Zoltar coming. This might be the first thing they made that I don’t want. Who knows maybe I’ll change my mind.
Looks fine, but at $200, this is laughable. Who needs this dust-collecting shelfware? Hard, annoyed pass. Stop covering this crap, KFox. Your channel is better than this.
Not playable?!?! What the actual f@ck?!?! $200 for a non-playable pinball is a joke. Even Cracker Jack had working miniature pinball games. This is insulting. If Numskull made it you can bet your asteroids they would make a quarter scale working pinball. Easy pa$$.
This is great for people that have displays. I wish it was playable but I don’t see how that could be done at this scale. I actually play my Qbert one quite a bit. So this isn’t for me.
People with their outrage these days is ridiculous. Do the simple math and its easy to understand why this in NOT playable. You touched on this in this video.
Why I am mad at them - who and why would anyone think Blackhole was that popular? It literally is not even on my Favorite Pinballs games of all time. Sorry. Nor do I personally know anyone who mentions that game.
Giggle...The amount of people flipping out over this is amazing. It would have been nice to at least give you some kind of play feature for your $200. Anything! Let me at least pull back the plunger, work the flippers on some silver BBs or control a Vpin table through HDMI on a display.
The price for non playable for me. I wanted it to work. Then come out the claw machine or coin pusher. ❤😊I still love new wave but this is a no for me❤😊
Jiminy Christmas. We’ll defend this crap but rip A1Up a new a55hole because they didn’t include proper instructions on how to manifest a two player racing cabinet Fast and the Furious set up for $1200, a tenth of the cost of the commercial machine. Unbelievable. These other companies really have you guys in their pockets now.
These things are primarily display pieces. Yes it’s cool the arcades actually play the arcade roms but how much fun are you really having playing retro games at 1/6 scale? Real pinball at that scale I don’t even know how that’ll work. Attract mode is just fine.
Yea. I barely have ever actually played my street fighter one. I’d be fine with more cab replicas that were just limited to light up or screens for attract mode
It should be playable…but also, I have a New Wave Street Fighter cab. I’ve played it once when I first got it. Since then, I turn it on for display/attract mode. So basically, it’s fine. I just wish if this pin wasn’t playable, it was a better title.
I'm honestly trying to wrap my head around how many grown adults apparently have 1/6 scale Barbie arcade dioramas in their home that just collect dust. Don't play them, just turn them on and...look at them?
Yep we do! I have a complete Barbie strip club and ATM for crisp ones! Even my 1/6 scale ATM works and the 1/6 scale strip pole spins! I got a ton of my supplies for my strip club diorama from Hobby Lobby! Sorry, I got to get back to my 1/6 scale late 80s Adult Arcade diorama!
I have to say I am a little disappointed by not being able to actually play it. For now I am holding off on preordering. I’ll wait till I have more info. Not off the table, but definitely not as excited as I was. And I am a weirdo that does play my other ones 😂 I have even hooked them up to TVs in the past.
Yeah, I’m especially disappointed in the lack of playability since I thought the MiniPins would see MORE play than my other Replicades, BUT if we are being honest, I don’t play any of my Replicades nearly as much as I enjoy them for attract mode and tiny detailing-which this has! I think most of us understand that, at 1:6 scale, SOMETHING would have to get compromised….And considering that anyone with an Android or iPhone can already play the virtual pin version of this gam FOR FREE, I think losing the playability is better than compromising elsewhere. 🤷♂️
Disagree with you. The beauty of these products is that even though you may not play them, they are playable replica. When I show them off to friends, the eyebrow raising moment is that they are playable. For this reason I am out.
I'm in for 2. I don't understand what anyone would care playing pinball on a 1/6 scale item. It's ridiculous. Those of you holing off, you know you'll buy it. You will. Stop complaining.
I totally agree with you Fox...I have my NWT cabinets set up very similar to what you have. I think I've only played them right after I took them out of the box, after that they have their little spot in the corner of my arcade. I don't see all the fuss about this pinball be nonplayable because if you were buying these things to play you are probably the only person on the planet that is doing so.
then you just called *me* out.....b/c since i've no room for full size cabinets in my home, i've had to buy mini cabs (like Replicade, myArcade, Sega Mini and Egret II mini) to build a working arcade. Expecting a working minipin isn't far fetched for me, right? 😅
I get that Shilo doesn't care for VPin, but this is a miss. At $200 MSRP, this could have had a playable lcd screen with attract modes. Of course it couldn't be a 1/6 scale mechanical and functional table; that would be a tech support nightmare, but a mini VPin with some attact modes built in would have hit the spot so much more and justify the price. I appreciate the time and effort of the recreated 3D playfield, but the novelty is going to wear off quick with just a few light and sound modes. Maybe the right answer is to offer both versions...a VPin or a Diorama piece?
I think they’re disappointed and people who collect like me are running out of space. This is the first new wave toy. I did not pre-order. I’m starting to think what am I gonna do with 30 mini arcades anyway, I buy something they sit on the shelf then they get dusty and eventually one day they get sold, I’m starting to not buy everything that drops specially something that doesn’t do anything
I understand the non playable and am fine with that, but going by the video they put out the gameplay attract mode just appears to be noises and lights. I think what I would want out of simulated gameplay is that the bumpers react, the flippers flip, the targets drop. I know its a prototype and those things might come on down the line, but these are things putting me off. It would be like having one of the replicates have a static screen and just play the gameplay sounds, its ok but its not what people have come to expect from a NWT product
years ago i owned an original black hole machine that my dad bought me from an arcade that was going out of business...iirc the legs were silver
I also think for what it is it’s a little expensive and I don’t think they’re gonna sell well I’m almost sure next Black Friday these will be on sale for $99 with free shipping and then I may grab one. Not even sure if I want to at that point. Eventually things just become a dust magnet.
I look at as a premium model I put on a shelf to look at (think Autoart diecast cars). I bet they will sell a fair amount.
For $200 definitely it should have been playable. A full mechanical pinball at that size probably impossible. Here’s what they should do. Recessed LCD to give a depth of feel. Bumpers could be physical on top the play field that light up at the appropriate time. Maybe real mini flippers that move with digital game underneath. What they’re offering sound like a Hallmark ornament marked up 4x
For everyone who says it’s $200, that’s true only if you don’t use the code they provide on their website for 20% off. Brings it to $160 and I don’t mind that’s it’s not playable. Most people have them as limited edition displays
I don’t think the physics would work on something that small. The could make it virtual, but you can get a better playing experience with other options that are out there!
People that expected it to be playable or bigger than 1/6 are annoying
$200 for a real pinball that is non functional. You can just watch and listen...lol....yeah deez nutz!
Fox is now a pinball RUclipsr.
some of us are mad because they went 90% of the way and then dropped the most important 10% of playability.
I couldn’t disagree with you more. 100% of NWT and NS Cabs are playable (Polybius is a USB hub). Why do these companies make their cabs playable to begin with? Answer, because the majority of people want to have workable, playable arcade cabs. I own all NWT cabs and NS and mine are played. Non-playable = non-starter.
I didn't really hear anything about these until a day or two before they had this announcement, so like all the other New Wave "cabs" I assumed it would be playable in some manner as well.
At $200 + tax (I assume free shipping?) to pre-order a fancy paperweight or diorama piece, it's a hard NO for me.
It does look cool, and I love the Black Hole pinball game, but they should have been more transparent up front with the real capabilities of this ahead of time.
I’m not sure how much more “ahead of time” they could possibly be? This is first announcement and pre-order-the actual product is at least 9 months away.
19kfox,
I actually left you a comment about this in you AVP video, but glad you got to see this. Some made fun of me when I suggested that New Wave Toys could make a functioning one using BB's as Pinballs, but wow, to actually function mechanically might take years of engineering. What I then envisioned was they'd do what ToyShock did, just in 1/6th scale, a hybrid doing a VPin LCD screen for the playfield, and then do a realistic backbox. So it would be playable, but have as much real components as it could. I actually wasn't expecting something not playable, but I'm more like you. I don't play my miniature machines, I add them to my arcade for the attract mode and it gives me the feeling, at least, of having more machines in my Home Arcade.
As I mentioned in my other comment, I reached out to New Wave Toys and suggested they might add a USB power hub to the back, maybe 6 or 8 ports to power my other New Wave Toys machines. I think more people might be interested if it had additional practical functionality. Either way, I pre-ordred mine as the decorative aspect works for me.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
vgv
That would have been cool if they used BB's as pinballs. That's what I remember inside many mini palm-sized tables back in the day. I understand they couldn't do all the mechanics on the Black Hole table in that scale, but at least let us pull back the plunger, knock around a ball, and have some flipper action.
Widow,
I had many of those palm sized machines, mainly of the Pachinko variety. Those mini BB's could move. And that's why I put it in the maybe category. But I didn't know if the physics would feel the same. Size of ball to size of machine ratio might not be enough to emulate close enough to the real thing and I think that's what New Wave Toys has always tried to pride themselves on. It would be an engineering feat for sure :)
So that brings me to my idea of adding a USB power hub. The more I buy of these things, the more hubs I continue to need. I think that would elevate this product to the moon and would make this a 2.0 version of their Hubs for sure.
Great ideas!
vgv
@@videogamevegas I totally agree with you that the physics wouldn't feel the same. Yet a scaled-down version of mechanical pinball would have been cool even if it didn't have all the features of the original table. It's a shame at least they couldn't have put an HDMI out for a Vpin version of Black Hole allowing you to use the mini plunger and flippers to control the Vpin on an external display.
At $199, hard to imagine anything “playable” on any scale that make sense to the enthusiast.
On a further note, you “can” have playable. Get yourself a ALP micro, buy some legs, and get Black Hole skins for the cabinet. Select Black Hole pinball game and voila.
Of course, you’re now at $500.
I think it looks cool even if you can't play it but when they make their next Pinball Machines, you will be able to play them as I'm sure New Wave will find a way.
I have mostly every new wave product minus 3 cabinets. I even have the cigarette and art machine and Zoltar coming. This might be the first thing they made that I don’t want. Who knows maybe I’ll change my mind.
Looks fine, but at $200, this is laughable. Who needs this dust-collecting shelfware? Hard, annoyed pass. Stop covering this crap, KFox. Your channel is better than this.
Not playable?!?! What the actual f@ck?!?! $200 for a non-playable pinball is a joke. Even Cracker Jack had working miniature pinball games. This is insulting. If Numskull made it you can bet your asteroids they would make a quarter scale working pinball. Easy pa$$.
This is great for people that have displays. I wish it was playable but I don’t see how that could be done at this scale. I actually play my Qbert one quite a bit. So this isn’t for me.
Looks sweet! You said it, Attract mode for some cool ambiance. That black light mode sounds really cool!
I bought one. What I will be doing at least once is turning on black hole on pinball arcade on my phone and place it on top of the mini pin. 😂
I thought it was going to be digital/playable. At that scale it would have been like playing pinball on a Switch.
People with their outrage these days is ridiculous. Do the simple math and its easy to understand why this in NOT playable. You touched on this in this video.
I’m not buying any New Wave Toys product until their first full size arcade. I love the company and faith the full size Arcade will be great.
For a diorama, it's perfect. But I don't have a diorama. Meh.
Why I am mad at them - who and why would anyone think Blackhole was that popular? It literally is not even on my Favorite Pinballs games of all time. Sorry. Nor do I personally know anyone who mentions that game.
Giggle...The amount of people flipping out over this is amazing. It would have been nice to at least give you some kind of play feature for your $200. Anything! Let me at least pull back the plunger, work the flippers on some silver BBs or control a Vpin table through HDMI on a display.
Because the physics and materials naive thought it would actually be playable? 😆 Added: Seriously, surely people did not expect this to playable....
Maybe I am just a cheapskate, but $199.00 for a 9" pinball *replica*?
The price for non playable for me. I wanted it to work. Then come out the claw machine or coin pusher. ❤😊I still love new wave but this is a no for me❤😊
Jiminy Christmas. We’ll defend this crap but rip A1Up a new a55hole because they didn’t include proper instructions on how to manifest a two player racing cabinet Fast and the Furious set up for $1200, a tenth of the cost of the commercial machine.
Unbelievable.
These other companies really have you guys in their pockets now.
Two real FnF machines are $12000? Your math’s all wrong kid.
I’m not in anybody’s pocket. NWT also never claimed it was playable.
It should be playable. 😊
These things are primarily display pieces. Yes it’s cool the arcades actually play the arcade roms but how much fun are you really having playing retro games at 1/6 scale? Real pinball at that scale I don’t even know how that’ll work. Attract mode is just fine.
Yea. I barely have ever actually played my street fighter one. I’d be fine with more cab replicas that were just limited to light up or screens for attract mode
It should be playable…but also, I have a New Wave Street Fighter cab. I’ve played it once when I first got it. Since then, I turn it on for display/attract mode. So basically, it’s fine. I just wish if this pin wasn’t playable, it was a better title.
I'm honestly trying to wrap my head around how many grown adults apparently have 1/6 scale Barbie arcade dioramas in their home that just collect dust. Don't play them, just turn them on and...look at them?
Yep we do! I have a complete Barbie strip club and ATM for crisp ones! Even my 1/6 scale ATM works and the 1/6 scale strip pole spins! I got a ton of my supplies for my strip club diorama from Hobby Lobby! Sorry, I got to get back to my 1/6 scale late 80s Adult Arcade diorama!
I think they should have added Bluetooth speaker capabilities. It does look good though. 😁
Agreed.
By no means does this make me "angry"... but my perspective is that this is one of the stupidest ways to spend $200 that I can think of.
I have to say I am a little disappointed by not being able to actually play it. For now I am holding off on preordering. I’ll wait till I have more info. Not off the table, but definitely not as excited as I was. And I am a weirdo that does play my other ones 😂 I have even hooked them up to TVs in the past.
why would anyone buy Blackhole...
Yeah, I’m especially disappointed in the lack of playability since I thought the MiniPins would see MORE play than my other Replicades, BUT if we are being honest, I don’t play any of my Replicades nearly as much as I enjoy them for attract mode and tiny detailing-which this has!
I think most of us understand that, at 1:6 scale, SOMETHING would have to get compromised….And considering that anyone with an Android or iPhone can already play the virtual pin version of this gam FOR FREE, I think losing the playability is better than compromising elsewhere. 🤷♂️
Not upest never expected it to be playable but its a no from me
Disagree with you. The beauty of these products is that even though you may not play them, they are playable replica. When I show them off to friends, the eyebrow raising moment is that they are playable. For this reason I am out.
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The people mad about this ate soooo dumb
I'm in for 2. I don't understand what anyone would care playing pinball on a 1/6 scale item. It's ridiculous. Those of you holing off, you know you'll buy it. You will. Stop complaining.
I totally agree with you Fox...I have my NWT cabinets set up very similar to what you have. I think I've only played them right after I took them out of the box, after that they have their little spot in the corner of my arcade. I don't see all the fuss about this pinball be nonplayable because if you were buying these things to play you are probably the only person on the planet that is doing so.
then you just called *me* out.....b/c since i've no room for full size cabinets in my home, i've had to buy mini cabs (like Replicade, myArcade, Sega Mini and Egret II mini) to build a working arcade.
Expecting a working minipin isn't far fetched for me, right? 😅
Stop making sense..
Not playable Not interested.
Good for diorama people I suppose but that’s not me.
Easy Pass
An over priced paper weight.
Non-functional for $200 🫠 nope. hell no. $50 would be asking for a lot for this. Pinky nail sized oled 🥱