a lot of ppl bash toph for thinking out loud and for himself instead of just nodding his head and honestly the dude sometimes says some genius shit. He's VERY open minded in the theory crafter department and takes many factors into account at times when making an argument. He says a lot of stupid stuff most of the time, but there is some golden knowledge to this man.
they called it "low tier" because everyone had to pick at least one low tier. They gave each character a point value and each player had to pick five characters while only using fifteen points. For example, Plup picked Fox (5 points) Sheik (5 points) Samus (3 points) Luigi (2 points) and Bowser (0 points) so he was forced to use low tiers but also was allowed to use high tiers as well
tuPHwUn yeah riiight...because a incredibly predictable move wouldnt go unpunished by a top ten player . That moves way too easy to punish and barely even helps at all
+Chaotic Entity You need to go back and watch how Bob$, Foxroar, OTG, Dogy, a Rookie or Koopatroopa used (doc)Mario's DownB. It's not as bad as Shroomed, HMW and ScorpionMaster make it look. You're supposed to mash DownB on the first possible frames after you get hit (off screen), THEN double jump cape or pill to recover. If you use DownB next to the stage THAT is what get's punished.
+Chaotic Entity I don't understand how you punish a DownB that's used waaaay off screen lol, can you explain that to me? Also how many tournaments have you entered with Doc?
lol falcon's recovery isn't bad? its pretty bad, dude. its better than falco/bowser/roy/ness recovery imo, but that's not saying all toomuch. still p bad lel.
26:43 just so you guys know, that's definitely a flub. Happens to my mewtwo too. You're holding C-down while dashdancing or wavedashing and you mess up a djc forward air and the c stick moves so it buffers this atrocious laggy ass fulljump dair, it's the worst thing in the world. NOT a read, my guy. Not a read..
they called it "low tier" because everyone had to pick at least one low tier. They gave each character a point value and each player had to pick five characters while only using fifteen points. For example, Plup picked Fox (5 points) Sheik (5 points) Samus (3 points) Luigi (2 points) and Bowser (0 points) so he was forced to use low tiers but also was allowed to use high tiers as well
They showed it on stream but I don't think it's on any of the VODs. From what I remember it was very close to this: 5 points: Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik 4 points: Jigglypuff, Peach 3 points: Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, Samus, Pikachu, Yoshi 2 points: Dr. Mario, Luigi, Young Link, Donkey Kong, Link, Mario, Ganondorf 1 point: Mewtwo, Roy, Mr. Game & Watch, Ness, Zelda, Pichu 0 points: Bowser, Kirby
toph, you do NOT know what you're talking about lol mewtwo isn't that great vs samus. He has the uthrow kills, yes, but his combo game isn't that great and he can't outprojectile samus. He can bair the missiles, but there are other characters that can break missiles more effectively as mewtwo's bair is too slow. If the samus makes it hard for you to grab her, you will struggle to get kills.
FortWhenTeaThyme Uh. Parry gets two frames to work, the next two gets him powershielding, and the last two get him stuck in shield early. It's six frames overall too so what are even talking about.
they are cringe but there are also ways that it's a mental game not just by giving the excuse of "I'm tired" or tryna rattle em with "I'm bored" but it might get them to yawn in response
Holy shit that last stock was hype as hell. Good shit to both of them.
I nearly had a heart attack.
SSB_Seal The fact Leffen almost defeated Plup with Mewtwo vs Plups Fox was incredible (Even if he had a stock lead)
"if he would smash di the way that he would pause, he would be a god" lines like this is why melee has better commentary than anything else
a lot of ppl bash toph for thinking out loud and for himself instead of just nodding his head and honestly the dude sometimes says some genius shit. He's VERY open minded in the theory crafter department and takes many factors into account at times when making an argument. He says a lot of stupid stuff most of the time, but there is some golden knowledge to this man.
the iron man has become my new favorite event and I think this format made it even better. the Kirby ditto with mango and Armada was so dope haha
23:07 was that a perfect pivot shield drop by Plup? Never seen anything like that, this guy is nuts. Even Leffen looked impressed.
Air Espenilla it wouldn't have to be a perfect pivot because you can just dash back immediately shield stop and then shield drop
Lol the thumbnail got the characters backwards just like the stream layout
Jeremy Raven It fucked me over
Plup seems so happy all the time, new favorite player.
2:06 Guy on the right was lettin' his nose know whos boss
damn ppl really don't know zhu anymore :[
I wish Luigi's Bair was that quick in Smash 4.
Can someone explained to me why sheik and fox can be used and there still calling it a low tier ironman. feel like im for sure missing something
they called it "low tier" because everyone had to pick at least one low tier. They gave each character a point value and each player had to pick five characters while only using fifteen points. For example, Plup picked Fox (5 points) Sheik (5 points) Samus (3 points) Luigi (2 points) and Bowser (0 points) so he was forced to use low tiers but also was allowed to use high tiers as well
Leffen doesn't know how to recover with Doc. He, literally, threw away two stocks because he doesn't use Doc's Down-B
tuPHwUn yeah riiight...because a incredibly predictable move wouldnt go unpunished by a top ten player . That moves way too easy to punish and barely even helps at all
Chaotic Entity uhhh it's what most docs do and it's barely punished when used correctly. Its extremely useful for recovery.
+Chaotic Entity You need to go back and watch how Bob$, Foxroar, OTG, Dogy, a Rookie or Koopatroopa used (doc)Mario's DownB. It's not as bad as Shroomed, HMW and ScorpionMaster make it look.
You're supposed to mash DownB on the first possible frames after you get hit (off screen), THEN double jump cape or pill to recover. If you use DownB next to the stage THAT is what get's punished.
+Chaotic Entity I don't understand how you punish a DownB that's used waaaay off screen lol, can you explain that to me? Also how many tournaments have you entered with Doc?
Mario's DownB is waaay better tho
Would you be disqualified if you chose Zelda and pressed down-B.
Joshua Durham You can't use Zelda then switch to Sheik... This rule was mentioned in the Mew2King vs. Ice vid.
at 17;50 the commentator mentioned mewtwo vs samus grandfinals japan melee. is this true ,please give me a link i need to know .it means alot to me
plup and leffen should combine names to become pluphen
Anyone have a link to the set Toph mentioned at 17:50?
i think he lied its way too good to be true
Really fun to watch
leffen's yoshi is pretty good. Hope he uses him as a secondary down the line
Reignand Bongao nleffen used to main yoshi
You don't win tournaments with Yoshi.
@@Charmolution everyone's returning to old comments, in light of the yoshi win lmao
Does Sheik completely vanish at 20:58, or is that just me?
she insta crouches
I thought the same thing
crouched behind the stocks.
Best crew battle ever...
lol falcon's recovery isn't bad? its pretty bad, dude. its better than falco/bowser/roy/ness recovery imo, but that's not saying all toomuch. still p bad lel.
Bobby's hair is much longer than I remember
11:41 oh how wrong they were
whats up with the no shoes rule for this house.
they're not filthy morons so they don't wanna track food through their house is my guess
PLUP CLUB
26:43 just so you guys know, that's definitely a flub. Happens to my mewtwo too. You're holding C-down while dashdancing or wavedashing and you mess up a djc forward air and the c stick moves so it buffers this atrocious laggy ass fulljump dair, it's the worst thing in the world.
NOT a read, my guy. Not a read..
lol i sure love trying to wavedash in dtilt as mewtwo and getting full hop dair aka bottom 5 neutral options in the game
i love melee but man...
Minesweeper God
lmao 9:10 luigi mains win by pressing a button every time
low tier, why fox/falco/shiek?
they called it "low tier" because everyone had to pick at least one low tier. They gave each character a point value and each player had to pick five characters while only using fifteen points. For example, Plup picked Fox (5 points) Sheik (5 points) Samus (3 points) Luigi (2 points) and Bowser (0 points) so he was forced to use low tiers but also was allowed to use high tiers as well
Wherecan I check the entire point layout?
They showed it on stream but I don't think it's on any of the VODs. From what I remember it was very close to this:
5 points: Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik
4 points: Jigglypuff, Peach
3 points: Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, Samus, Pikachu, Yoshi
2 points: Dr. Mario, Luigi, Young Link, Donkey Kong, Link, Mario, Ganondorf
1 point: Mewtwo, Roy, Mr. Game & Watch, Ness, Zelda, Pichu
0 points: Bowser, Kirby
That settles it! Plup is better than Leffen.
ssbrosking36 the he loses 3-1 against Leffen in the Summit last weekend. Whooped.
toph, you do NOT know what you're talking about lol mewtwo isn't that great vs samus. He has the uthrow kills, yes, but his combo game isn't that great and he can't outprojectile samus. He can bair the missiles, but there are other characters that can break missiles more effectively as mewtwo's bair is too slow. If the samus makes it hard for you to grab her, you will struggle to get kills.
leffen is officially one of the gods
"round of 8"
I honestly forgot Leffen had a Doc
Parrying is *not* harder than powershielding. Powershielding is 4 frames, parry is 5 frames.
FortWhenTeaThyme
Uh. Parry gets two frames to work, the next two gets him powershielding, and the last two get him stuck in shield early. It's six frames overall too so what are even talking about.
luigi is mid tier
Leffen's fake yawns is the definition of cringe
You got a time mark on that?
ssbrosking36 one at 22:23, and there was another one i forgot when. His fake yawns are pretty storied tho, just watch HTC throwdown 2015.
they are cringe but there are also ways that it's a mental game
not just by giving the excuse of "I'm tired" or tryna rattle em with "I'm bored" but it might get them to yawn in response
Mewtwo's big juicy tail
black Doc is so overrated
Why the white commentators both sitting with their legs crossed, making us look bad dude.