Empire vs The Papacy (Guelphs vs Ghibellines)
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8:48 OK technically Charlemagne wasn't the one who "directly" appointed Leo 3rd but his influence and protection was the only reason why Leo became and remained a Pope.
1:01 This practice was done before Charlemagne and some people may argue that it was in fact Justinian who set this precedent but it is without a doubt that Charlemagne had a big part in it and we had to start somewhere.
1:45 This was hardly a short affair. It happened over the course of around 35 years (since 1050) and involved various Popes although the most notable one was Gregory VII.
2:22 Henry was also excommunicated, and he also appointed an anti Pope to fight against the current pope , etc.
2:32 King of the Germans was an elected (by prince electors) ruler of what we know as the Holy Roman Empire. And even though King of the Germans effectively ruled over the HRE he technically was only called the Holy Roman Emperor if the Pope crowned him as such.
So Henry the 4th wasn't crowned as the Holy Roman Emperor (up until now) but he was crowned as the King of the Germans
2:48 Pour choice of words, it was only "dubious" depending on what side you look at it from.
2:52 There's no time to get in to the Investiture Controversy you can read more about it here if you want. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investi...
3:48 Although the power struggle between the Papacy and the HRE in the area existed ever since the signing of the Concordat of Worms.
3:45 The Papal States where just that, States. So there existed divisions within the Papal states with varying amount of autonomy. But on the map I only shown the states which had the most autonomy and the rest I just put together in to the Papal States.
4:13 First was the treaty of Venice and then the was the full peace treaty.
4:15 The Lombard league would be rekindled few more times against the the HRE but these where more focused around the church vs the empire struggles that came about later, rather then a true league of most Italian city states, like the first one was.
5:30 Of course the exact reasons for a city to be pro imperial or pro church, varied city by city and it wasn't always as clear cut as to be portrait completely accurately on a map. Therefor my map is "in general" accurate but each city/area is special in how it dealt with the Guelphs vs Ghibellines struggle.
6:07 Ghibellines cut fruit at a table crosswise, Guelphs straight down.
6:25 The interregnum was a period between 1245 and 1312 where the combination of various events from the princess unable to decide on a new king, to multiple pretender kings, plus Papal insurgency, resulted in the 65 year long succession crises.
6:55 Of course each battle had its own unique reasons for happening but all the battles during this period had a continues overarching plot of Church vs the Empire. I am also not showing all the battles that occurred during this era here.
6:51 Even though the legitimate emperor Fredric II didn't die until 1250, the interregnum started during the last 5 years of his reign due to the pope crowning an anti Holy Roman Emperor to take power away from Fredrick.
8:02 Dante also fought in the battle of Campaldino.
8:55 Even though the Pope and the Emperor will through out history support various pro church and pro imperial factions, over all the parties turned too radical for both of them to be able to "fully" control the situation.
#History #Animated #Italy #Guelphs #Ghibellines
That map at 3:47, I know that took a bloody long time. Great vid and epic though.
@@MLaserHistory hey if you wouldn't mind would you share the list you have of which city belongs in each group
@@MLaserHistory thanks a ton I would really enjoy that
One curiosity: Genoa at the time of Barbarossa was so powerful that didn't have to directly join the Lombard League. The Genoese helped, but mostly indirectly, and because the League payed for it. Genoa obtained the same concessions that the other cities struggled for and fought for at Legnano several years before them.
One of the reason that Barbarossa couldn't risk to attack the city was because of the newest walls that the Genoese built around the city. These walls were, at the time, the state of the art of european military architecture. Despite their construction initially took years, when the city heard the news of emperor coming to northern Italy, the walls were completed in a very short time, 53 days, as a show off, and as warning. Genoa has got several rings of walls and fortifications over the centuries, and that ring is still called today the Barbarossa Walls, for this reason en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Genoa
So that’s what that event on Europa Universalis 4 is when playing Genoa! Lol
Really there's an event about it in eu4 ?
Did not know that.
@@MLaserHistory Yeah with Genoa, like I said, the event is called
"The Guelph-Ghibelline Feud" and you can either pick a side or just let them argue. Obviously if you pick sides then either the HRE or Papal States will like you more etc.
@@rooneye ou that's very cool thanks for telling me.
I started watching, saw that it was between Bologna and Modena, and immediately thought that it would be awesome if it was the war of the bucket. I never knew it had so much significance - I always thought it was a silly brawl between two rival towns.
Another great video M.Laser!
@@MLaserHistory I can definitely see that you are taking a different approach to the war as this video took a lot of care in describing the events preceding it when most would just make a "meme" video. Italian wars are a fascinating subject so I look forward to your take on it man!
The feud still goes on, even in the car industry, Ferrari is from Modena and Lamborghini from Bologna!
Yes correct. And fast forward to 2022 to see the battle still taking place.
Bravo, Bravo!!! A five-star presentation on this rare topic!
Great, I have a test on medieval Europe next week. This video brought some of the developments before and after the Gregorian reform in perspective for me. Thanks a lot!
We sometimes still make fun of each other based on if your city was guelph or ghibelline.
Guelphs suck
Dante doesn’t approve
Haha really now? And what's your city if I may ask?
Fuck ghibellines all homies guelphs gang
@@sangay9361 Dante was a White Guelph. After the Black Guelphs won in Florence and expelled them, the Whites allied with previously expelled Ghibellines Florentine families leaving in the close Ghibellines Tuscan cities and tried to recapture Florence. So a Guelph allied with Ghibellines... It was complicated. Many several layers of city politics, regional politics, international politics, religious and noble benefits, marriages and family ties. What a marvellous, brutal mess.
@@giacmon85 I know
The best explanation of Guelphs and the Ghibellines I have ever heard.
Lol I occasionally find wonderfully concise, detailed videos from your channel on the most random searches. Thanks for all the effort you put in.
Thank you for covering this topic! We covered the Investiture Controversy briefly in my Western Civ I course last semester, and I just read the Divine Comedy (Dante’s Inferno) and was eager to learn more about the Guelph/Ghibelline references that Dante kept making. Your video provides some much needed context and is greatly appreciated!
San Marino just be eating pop corn watching this!
Great video!!!
I’m a new fan! Thanks for really thorough and well researched content!!
This video is so well made! I love the information you included. My brain wasn't overloaded and I really got the gist.
I've really been wanting to learn more about the HRE and this time period, but it's really hard to find good videos on the subject. Thank you for making this!
Btw, I found your channel from "OverSimplified" giving you a plug for your work on this video in his war of the bucket video
The beginnings of the HRE in the 800-900s are particularly interesting, especially the treaty of verdun in 843 which ended a Frankish civil war and divided Charlemagne’s empire up between France, Germany/HRE, and Lotharingia (Low Countries+Luxembourg+Alsace+Lorraine/Lotharingia+Savoy) which the former two then fought over in endless wars for the next 1100 years. Really remarkable how Europe begins to essentially take shape right there. Also why I disagree with the creator of this video that the HRE started in 800, as Charlemagne’s empire spawned both France and Germany, which would conquer Rome and become its own Roman Empire, later called Holy.
Really complete video! You explained this part of italian history much better than the outdated version they teach in italian schools! Keep up with the good work!
3:24 Europa Universalis IV estates. Awesome
thank you so much been trying to understand this all day, your 9 minute video was more effective than all the reading I've done on the net today
I completely understand your struggle, Wikipedia and other websites aren't very descriptive about the topic and all the books on it are too academic to be able to comprehend the over all picture.
Honestly someone should write like an introductory book in to the Empire vs the Papacy struggle. Maybe it exists but I have yet to find it.
Anyways happy to have helped.
@@MLaserHistory I'm trying to shoe horn Frederick II's role in all this, another complicated matter, my head hurts. It seems like he had a major role in the struggle between pope and emperor, I need another 9 minute vid on him please 🙏
Amazing video, very detailed.Cheers from Reggio Emilia.
good as always
The seal of Welfs was a red eagle grasping a green dragon🦅🐉, all in a white shield. They're curiously the colors of the flag of Italy. 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
Great video ! Many thanks !
Wow! What a mess that was! I've learned a lot from this video, and thank you very much. It clears up a lot I was wondering about.
The funny thing about Dante's Inferno is that the protagonist meets some of Dante's most prominent political opponents during his tour of hell. Therefore, Dante literally :) (or is it literarily?) told them to go to hell.
So much classic literature is just some dork writing Mary Sue story. Look at the Arthurian Cycle, where it's just a string of guys adding a character who's totally more badass than the character you added.
Like, Lancelot was written in by a Frenchman. Wow, look at that, he bests Arthur in combat and fucks his wife. But who's that walking through the door? By god, it's Galahad, who gets carried straight to heaven because he's so perfect and not an asshole like that Lancelot guy.
Hell, even Arthur himself is just an excuse for Brits to write about how they would kick every other kingdom's ass and how perfect their realm is.
Great job. Highly underrated channel. Magus Are you against making a video on the City of London, its offshore status, history and interaction with power structures such as Bank of England, etc. ?
Maybe someday, but I'd probably actually rather do an independent video on just the bank of England because, it has a fascinating history.
Awesome video!
I want more!!!!
Greetings from the ghibelline city of Como!
Here from Oversimplified
Great content
:)
I just wanted to thank you, i have a presentation to do about this and you helped me alot !
Glad it helped!
I see that Borgehse double head yellow and black eagle 👀
I want to know more about the guy in the middle at 3:10. Dude looks like a badass. Just holding that sword and waving at the guy drawing things.
And remember your vote doesn't count but but vote of your count counts
Τhe division that practically gave autonomy/independence to northern italian city states as whole north italy, except Venice, was politically part of the Holy Roman Empire.
If you go to that town even now they will happily show you the bucket
Good video my dear frend!
Stable video👍
Hey, your video really helped frame the battle and many other elements into context. I was wondering what sources you used to make your video? I'm trying to write an essay and could really do with the help.
M. Laser my essay is about Dante and a section of it is putting Boniface viii in context and so i'm talking about the guelph's and ghibellines but focusing on florence
Greate video
very good video
You used the wrong flag for Modena, that was the late flag of the Duchy of Modena, with the colours of the Habsburg. Italian comuni at the time didn't have flag but gonfaloni plain color flag on a spear with a coat of arms painted on, the Modena one was blue and had a Blu cross on a gold field in the coat of arms (Blue Cross on gold was an alternative Ghibelline symbol)
The Bologna one was also a gonfalone.
But pretty good video, I subscribed.
3:46 ah yes Rimini is referred to as Roma
Oversimplified sent me here. I just subscribed 😁
Better than OverSimplified
5:00 Gwelfs cities, Gib towns 7:15 Campaldino, Florence, Blacks won, Dante left
I disagree that the HRE started in 800, as Charlemagne’s empire spawned both France and Germany, which would conquer Rome and become its own Roman Empire, later called Holy. Charlemagne’s (much grander to be fair) empire on the other hand was never called the Holy Roman Empire, just the Roman Empire or Frankish-Roman Empire.
Charlemagne’s empire was more seen as a revival of the Roman Empire under a Germanic but Christianized king, as opposed to the Holy Roman Empire which was formed by the Kingdom of the Germans and never conquered the Roman and Frankish lands back in France, which was its rival and counterbalance. The two fought over everything, including the pope (Avignon popes), so a united empire encompassing the continental Roman Empire / all Frankish lands never really happened again after the death of Charlemagne’s son Louis the Pious.
North Italy be normal for 1 split of a second challenge
Excellent.. But you have to make a longer video on it.. Or, better still, a series of videos..
the GILFS vs the Gideons
You might say that the Imperial faction wanted
Unlimited power. Hah.
I cant stop thinking about Denmark
I thought the same thing when I saw the flag.
Copenaghen was the secret Ghibelline headquarter all along!
Did they eventually merge?
Dante Alighieri fought at Campaldino
history: some men fought for power
many have died as a result
Never knew that such a dumb war had only semi-dumb roots.
Cause racism is a perfect reason to start a war.
This is a great vid, the only criticism I have is that you mess up some homophones and homonyms. For example, 7:50 you used "where" instead of the correct "were" for that sentence. I recall noticing similar mistakes earlier on but let it slide thinking it was just one accidental occasion. If you ever want or need help with grammar and phrasing, I'd be willing to help.
Also, at 6:06 there's a picture of a tomato, which was introduced in Europe in the 16th Century.
B R U H
Title of the video : you should change the order, if possible..... Apart from that, very good.
Italians.....
Hungarians......
With whom did Venice side?
Neither since they weren't part of the HRE. They either remained neutral or sided with one side or the other when it benefited them. Venice basically used the conflict for its own advantage as much as it could.
Since I don't see anyone else being a pedant in the comments, so I'll just point out 6:07 that there were no tomatoes in Italy during the Middle Ages and this explains why all the Italians were ornery and prepared to kill each other over almost nothing.
Picture is unfortunate but the point stands, it just would have been other fruits not tomatoes.
Tribal Italians cracking the fuck up
What a load of Bologna.
Here from oversimplified
LOLOL sapere aude!
History of Philadelphia please or Pittsburgh.
But I digress
Anyone else here because of Meiou and Taxes?
who knew that Chiao Mein was crowned y the bishop of Rome
Over simplified
So extreme political polarization is bad
the only authentic empire is roman empire whose capital is constantinople
That was just a cheap knockoff. How can it call itself "roman" if it doesn't hold the city of Rome?
@@arx3516 um because Caesar spent very little time in Rome and is the truest Roman
Your reading in a monotone is so annoying I lasted only a few seconds.