Jeffrey Sachs Destroys John Mearsheimer on China
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- How does Jeffrey Sachs' worldview differ from that of realists like John Mearsheimer? Jeffrey Sachs believes that peace and international cooperation are vital and achievable. And the difference between him and John Mearsheimer is that he believes that in the anarchic relations of governments, tragedy is inevitable. His view is that because there is so much insecurity in an anarchic world, great powers are bound not only to jostle with each other but to struggle for dominance.
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JS deserves Peace Noble award!
If Obombma got that prize then Sach should get it.
Ironically, Sachs would not get it because he advocates peace. The Nobel Peace prize has become a joke. If even the drone war king Obama could get it, then it would be an insult to Sachs if Sachs got it.
Nobel Peace Prize is reserved for US Deep State favorites. JS does not deserve it, because he does not promote the US Deep State. JS deserves our respect.
100,000 TIMES MORE DESERVING THAN OBAMA.
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JM is so aggressive, American style, obsessed with great power politics and US hegemonism, making him a warmonger who cares only about the perpetuation of the US as a global as well as regional hegemon. His American domination mindset leaves no room for peace for the US itself and to the rest of the world. How sad! For that I have lost my repect for him as a "realist."
By contrast, JS is sensible and has demonstrated an excellent grasp of the reality of China. Above all, he stands for diplomacy and conflict resolution, not war, which is what the world needs.
JM's way of thinking is extremely poisonous and destructive.
他是以美国人的角度来解释一切，并不是他主张这样。你有没有听懂？
@@birdyashiro1226 no.
Even he really advocates it because he believes that in the anarchic relations of governments, tragedy is inevitable.
You got it wrong. JM makes it clear that he approves of the US policy of containment. He also wants his government to end hostility towards Russia so that the US can put all its resources into fighting China. Perhaps this is hard for you to understand.
My reply is for Birdyashiro.
Jeffrey is 100 percent correct
Right about what exactly ? He is so naive. It definitely isn't right that the US intervenes in other countries. But look at it this way. If the US decides to close all their military bases and get out of every country, there will be another world war the very next day. World wars didn't start because of Hitler. It started because countries around the world were competing because they were scared of their neighbors becoming too powerful and conquering them. It is literally a dog fight out there. Any time a country develops, they quickly realize they need resources that other countries possess, so naturally they try to expand and colonize their neighbors. This happened in Europe, Japan, Germany and other countries. JM is 100% right. The world isn't a peaceful place. If you try to be peaceful and don't arm yourself, you can be certain another country will come wipe out your people and take away your resources. What JM is saying may sound cynical but it is based on histories and facts. Jeffrey is so naive thinking if US stop dominating the world, the world will be in peace. Was it the US that caused world wars I and II. I would love peace I'm the world and I would love for the US to stop intervening in other countries, but I still strongly believe for us to avoid another world war 3, there needs to be a super power, playing the role of the cop. And I would rather that super power be US than China or Russia.
I'm over John Mearsheimer. I always knew he was a supremacist with the mentality that AMERICA MUST ALWAYS be on top no matter what. There cannot be peace with mindsets like that.
Bulleye!
The professor always come up with this krap - Th US pushing Russia into the arms of China - what sort of mentally degenerate moron continues to say such krap ? He is also Jew - nothing better can be expected -
@@marklegendgangmei It was alarming to hear the applause for John's supremacist statement. If I had the means, I'd move to China. Despite being stuck in the West, my family stands with China, even though societal pressure here condemns anyone who sympathizes with nations being bullied. The brazen hatred spouted by mainstream outlets and many self-serving individuals has affected my view of the West and my country. Please take heart in knowing that many of us here don’t share Mearsheimer’s aggressive views on threats and dominance. Please keep up what your doing. It's helping. TY.
Succinctly expressed. Bravo!
Jeffrey Sachs 👌👍👏👏👏
JM speaks nefariously about China with small mind like US mafias aggression
JM is just a common thug, so to speak.
@bopian8913 At least..I respect him..because he is brutally honest😮
@@ganboonmeng5370What does brutal honesty have to do with respect? Someone can say they love murdering kids and be brutally honest about it does that demand their respect? According to you? Despicable😮
You seem suspiciously respective to the bunch of communists who are keeping the whole great country as their hostage. Do you know that children in China are forcibly educated like the communists and that the workers have the obligatory communist party meetings in the Chinese companies?
JM - representing a big nation, a big huge person - but an extremely small mind, and a smaller heart.
I respectfully disagree sir! I think Mearsheimer is more profound than people want to accept.
The reality about the world and human nature is ugly. If you can, you should always secure your survival by your own hand. You can't base your security on the assumption that the other guy is peaceful and he will never attack you because you can never know the intentions. That's the fundamental problem: intentions are unpredictable!
That’s exactly where China made their strategic mistakes! Because they assumed the U.S will let it grow economically by sacrificing their own environment and peoples welfare so they can provide Americans with low cost goods that they can afford because of the off shoring it’s manufacturing jobs. Now they realized their naïveté will only aggravate Americans aggressiveness against them. The CPC does not have to stir up the “ nationalism “, the Chinese people can see what US is doing to China and the rest of the world.
John is a half baked so-called professor not even fit to share the same discussion forum with the eminent and highly respectable Professor Jeffrey Sach.
@@anakinskywalker4949 “ if the US military is really used for the defence of the US, instead of rapidly encircling the US empire’s geopolitical rival with massive amounts of war machinery , China would not need to be preparing for war.” Caitlin Johnstone
@@9064peterpan if the US was a normal country, then yes I would have agreed with you 100%. But the US was designed as a hegemonic empire! The army of a hegemon is not used to protect its border, it is used to protect territorial markets, extraction point of natural resources, occupy the land of vassals states, occupy the land of defeated opponents and finally, kick out any economic competitors from all the above mentioned territories! That's the job of the military when you are an hegemonic empire.
Once again, that's why John Mearsheimer is 100% right!! sooner or later, China will have no choice but to project its military to protect the huge network of trade routes necessary to the survival of the Chinese economic model which is based on exports!!!! The Chinese are peaceful people, they don't want to do that, but they will have no choice. That's the only way to protect their trade interests. In fact, China already started by building a military base in Africa in Djibouti on the red Sea!!! They are negotiating another military base in a west African country!!!
Professor Mearsheimer, why do you take for granted that since the US is the sole hegemon on the planet it is "legetimate" for the US not to let China question its hegemony and try to take their its place? The US hegemony is a self proclaimed title and it is written nowhere else than at the US White House-Pentagon complex that this is a legetimate title. So if concurrently China has the same pretention, it's as legitimate, and it's not the role of the US allies to tell the US: you are, not China the legitimate hegemon. Actually, the rest of the world outside the US and their allies seem to think that, as the contender, China is the one that has the most legitimacy...
The professor always come up with this krap - Th US pushing Russia into the arms of China - what sort of mentally degenerate moron continues to say such krap ?
China has again and again expressed they have NO wish to be a hegemon or to replace the US as the hegemon.
China has never not wanted to be an US Allies since 1979, a equal partner. It was US calling China an enemy.
Encouraging to see so many erudite comments like yours
John M. wants complete hegemony in the world. He better forget about it 😅😅
‘Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself.’ - Napoleon Bonaparte
Winner is Jeffrey! 👏🇨🇳
Best yet, refer to Ambassador Chas Freeman who truly destroys Mearsheimer's misguided & poisonus rants about China Vs.Taiwan. ...
Wise guy [Jeffrey Sachs ] vs dumb guy [John Mearsheimer] !
LOL!
More like blue pill guy (prof Sachs) Vs Red pill guy (Mearsheimer)
JM is wrong!
Whoever says threat sends them front line to fight
Professor Sachs is simply great!
Mearsheimer is no intellectual. Rather, he's a courtier. His claim of the necessity of the tough guy to maintain order well serves his masters.
Pakistan and India do not like each other, but because both have Nukes, they don't dare to go to an all out war. The West usually assume that when China stronger, they might change their mind and behave differently. That is the assumption, and could be wrong but if it right then it will be too late. Mr Sachs has a realistic view that : Assume that even when this is the case, no country dare to attack US. China , regardless of any form of government system, has the responsibility to make sure 2 things:
1/Have enough food so that massive starvation that frequently occurred in the past NOT repeated.
The Chinese people through out thousand of years, greeting "have you eaten yet?" (instead of "how are you ?"), because they always terrified of starvation. The fact that a person has breakfast or lunch is indeed a good new.
2/Centuries of humiliation will not be repeated, because if they can not stop being invaded and be occupied, The survival of the population will be threaten again and so mass starvation can come back.
No dictator of a 1.4 billion nation can start a war when the majority of them, in their DNA, just want to do business and enjoy life. Remember that through out its history, even the strongest dynasties preferred to build a DEFENSIVE wall now know as the "Great Wall of China". Remember there are different thinking among us. Chinese eats with chopstick and share food, not fork and knife and individual plates...
Pure white arrogance, lol. "How are you ?" greeting so means you haven't been sick lately as you people were always sick, right ?
Jeffrey is a wise man
JM is a perfect representation if the American imperial is my mindset. He is wrong when he says that China will behave like the US when China becomes a regional hegemony. This mindset is the source of danger of our world. JS is more sane and responsible scholar!
The American empire failing like the Roman empire only one person in the room see that.
If you push for war, you always get war. During WW2 Germany and Japan were our deadliest enemies. Today we are best friends. It is a choice how you want to how to live together!
Japan & Germany are USA ‘s poodles. Nothing more.
Henry Kissinger Quote: “To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”
The name John rhyme exactly like the name Trumpeter Donald. Same goes for the name Scotty Beam Me Up in Australia.
Will JM, allow someone telling when to eat dinner, when to use the restroom, when to go to bed, how to spend his paycheck when he about to ? the answer is no. These people are nothing but lonnitic empty score and big fools, professor in nonsense. I think the best dancers know when to get off stage. As I know truth will always live with us and leads us ppl of peace ( Mr Jeffrey Sacks,) God bless you, you are a God servant peace be with you and all God fearing ppl of the earth peace
Meirsheimer racist
Ginosayeed gasa
I lost respect for JM primitive beliefs.
Who's side is JM on ??????? why is he pushing Fear - Why does there need to be a hegemon his thoughts are screwed - The us is no longer the powerhouse of the last 40 years - get a grip JM
Every country has own system of governing. We should respect it . if is not good for them people will change their system.....
world peace followed by exploring beyound the earth and moon, into deep space! US must work with China, just imagin what can be achieved for mankind if we all stop war among ourselves, and put everything into our future, together! as ONE.
Jeff is right, in my opinion. but I don't think he "destroyed" John, unfortunately not even close to persuading him to consider a different strategy.
China Secret to the US Sanction to China: China is navigating its evolving trade landscape. Are strategic shifts & initiatives like the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) and the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) reshaping global economic dynamics. By achieving a substantial $1.8 trillion in trade volume with its 14 RCEP partners in 2023, China has reducing dependency on traditional Western economies and pivoting towards emerging markets.
These "smart guys" are bad at math. 2/3 is 66%. That's not close to a B+
Prof J Mearsheimer is a geopolitical analyst. Yes, he is an American and therefore sides with his country. However, he was merely explaining why & how USA is containing China. His personal biase is irrelevant; he is stating what the present world state of play is. As an extremely wise person, if he studied Chinese history properly, he should be awared Chinese is quite unlike USA which had an aggressive, genecidal history.
His personal biases are the only things that matter if he is to give people HIS view of the "world's state of play". Nothing proves that he's right. It's just HIS interpretations of events and speculations about the future
Easily impressed m0r0ns like you are just too quick to put people on a pedestal and too afraid to question them afterwards
If you truly think his only issue is not having learned Chinese History and Culture then you are even dumber than I thought
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Prof J Mearsheimer is succumbing in the geopolitical stage.
the title of this is unfortunate. What makes Jeffrey Sachs so good is that he is never out there to destroy anyone. It is simply argument against argument... In this case both gentlemen have a point. Some might prefer Sachs' arguments, others might prefer Mearsheimer's. No one is destroying anyone in this debate. Neither Jeff nor John would like see a debate like this as a "destruction" of the other...
中美不共戴天？中不死美必亡？这问题千年前已记载于中国历史：秦晋之好 vs 邻之厚君之薄也。
Both gentlemen have strong and weak points to their arguments, in my opinion. Mearsheimer better describes things as they actually are, while Sachs descends into moralizing and pontificating about how things should be, in his view. Sachs sometimes comes off as bit of dreamer, as if he”s saying, “If only humanity could be noble and wise and peaceful, then the world could be a better place,” and Mearsheimer responds, “Well, they’re not and never have been, so here’s what I think will probably happen going forward.”
On the other hand, Mearsheimer believes in the superiority of modern femfaglibdem values and, by extension, the spreading of these through hegemony, while Sachs seems to respect other cultures’ values as equal or superior. This in itself shows a clearer head. And finally, to balance out Sachs’ idealism with a bit of dreaming of his own, Mearsheimer’s opinion that the USA should focus on a strategy of containment misses the point that, long term, it is impossible to implement.
is Mearshiner a jew?
They needed a Marxist political economist or an historian on here to counter Sach's convergence theory. The other view is that there is permanent instability in the system and tendencies towards divergence. Sach's lift all boats view is based on neo-classical economics, which is basec on very controversial philosophical foundations about human and social behaviour that would be dismissed by virtually all psychologists and sociologists. And Sachs is no different. The question that needed to be asked of Sachs is why are we seeing deindustrialisation in the West and growing inequalities if China's rise was good for the vast majority of their populations, including their weakest groups? Winners don't compensate the losers and can't. A large welfare state is not the answer, for reasons Marxism describes well. You also need to know something about China and Japan's rise. This had nothing to do with prescriptions from neo-classical economists. They were not export led (that is easily debunked), even if exports were important in getting foreign currency to acquire foreign technology and essential inputs - but this was part of a state-led import substitution strategy. When both China and Japan 'opened up' they had the foundations of their supply chains necessary to put a permanent import substitution regime in place. (For this you have to read the Sinology and Japanology literature - NOT the neo-classical economics literature.) It is there own domestic markets not dependent on foreign capital that drive their economies, not exports or foreign investment.
Johnny boy you have fat hopes and you are about to get your butt chewed off but anyway I love you for your patriotic ideology and believes because in reality you have no other choice. God bless U S of A
I like both Jeffrey and John, but this time it is really "fun" 😂😂😂
Wrong! They are not really conflicting. Mearsheimer is simply saying that this how our world is, and he is right. Sachs says we have to take action to change the paradigm, and he is right.
But JM is not arguing for change and not changing will ensure MAD.
Prof J Sachs the only adult in the room ...
China's growth is a miracle in human history. That is an undeniable reality. We greatly appreciate the US support. But out of fear, the US changed its attitude toward China. The US can't face the fact that China has become strong. The mentality is to suffocate the baby while it is still in the cradle. But how much success has the US achieved over the past twenty years? How much more will the US be able to stop China for the next twenty years? Instead of keeping the hegemony simply by attacking China, the US should think about how to clean its own mess. As an example, Trump is a disgrace to the country. You expect this felony to be the leader of the world? No way! Where there is an action, there is a reaction. Oppression brings about resistance. We need diplomatic dexterity, not nuclear destruction. We need faith in peace, not a military juggernaut. Above all, we need wisdom.
Kudos to Mr Jeffrey Sachs! He is an honest and wise man.
Jeff is the only adult in the room, the rest, including the learned prof JM, are simply childish and immature.
worth knowing that JM served in the US military before going into academia. He got tenure right away. It was during the Cold War. Surprise? He has been preaching violence and US supremacy all the way.
You are so correct
Lol. Accusing other as not mature (because they hold different view than you) is itself immature
@@Zzzk155Immaturity comes from his barbarism. The barberism of the West is immature and underdeveloped. That's the point he's making.
John is a neocon which subscribes to US being the superpower which can mess this world around at will...he openly admitted that!
Have had big problem with Mersheimer, he is all about the absolute dominance of the USA, I don't want to be dominated by the USA.
Exactly. He is a brainwashed China hater.
Goldman Sachs of New York in 2000's founded the New Sandbox for the World, "BRIC" aka now BRICS+
One sandbox USA is not invited to nor welcome to play in, in development, trading partners, growth & no war.
He's a theorist, he believes the same applies for all countries
@@domokun845 He is a brainwashed China hater.
JS is the ONE! JM is finally showing his true colors !
It is obvious that one speaker advocates for provocation and war, the other advocates for peace and win-win. I am aligned with the side for peace and win-win.
No. Mearsheimer is preparing for the inevitable confrontation. It is tragic, but inevitable. Whether you want to admit it or not, influence over 3rd parties is a zero sum game.
By the way, thousands and thousands years of human history actually proves Mearsheimer right!
Exceptionalism: arrogance and ignorance.
@@anakinskywalker4949 You are correct !!! thousands & thousands years of mankind history has proven that China's 3,000 year history, it had never taking over nor invade another on its own. Also proven, last China war with anyone was in 1979 compare to the endless war US had continuedly since 1945. Not being in war since 1979 does not make one weak. Appear weak when you are strong & strong when you are weak - Sun Tzu
@@anakinskywalker4949 Appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak - Sun Tzu
John Mearsheimer is a weak man.
@@chriswong9158Mearsheimer is not weak man. He's more insightful person that doesn't trying to sugarcoating international politics.
Mearsheimer doesn't interested in launching big war among powerful state or interested to pin down small state, but he believes in inevitably of security competition among state.
He's not an idealist to think reducing hard power of major power alone will lead to peace or emphasizing globalization or absolute gain will end security competition among states in the long run
John is not a par to Jeffry Sach,that John is too dumb to have the title of prof,btw who gave him that title should be sued,it's a blemish to other good professors
I'm surprised that John Mearsheimer does not know this...
For most of the last 2,000 years, China was the regional hegemon in Asia. China had a tributary system that dominated foreign relations with its neighbors.
And yet, China never expanded its empire through territorial conquest like the Mongol Empire did. The Mongol Empire stretched all the way to Europe.
Even when Zheng He, during the Ming Empire, led his fleet of 300 ships all the way to the East coast of Africa, he conquered no territory. His mission was diplomatic.
So there is no precedent for China to behave like the United States or Great Britain or France.
Thanks Sir, you are so right on but many politicians in our government are crooks. JM was a big disappointment for someone supposed had some knowledge about China but he is as dumb as they come. Study some history JM !
Mearsheimer has a mean opinion of human nature. Like Hobbes, he believes that man is evil and needs a sovereign to maintain order.
China has a very different concept of man's nature; hence, how to organise society. For China, the operative word is: Harmony.
@@BillKort-xo8nj Indeed but John Mesrsheimer has the Anglo~Worldview of “evil” imposed on the rest of humanity. America behaved this way seeing “injuns” and so called coloured the same way and came to see enemies across the globe even fearing space invaders. The darkness is within
China conquered Xinjiang. Look at a Chin map of China. China is somewhat smaller than it is today.
@@BillKort-xo8nj There is no such word in English dictionary but in Chinese tradition, we do have a word to descibe the core mideset of Confucianism: It refers to a philosophy of balance, moderation, and avoiding extremes, central to Confucian thought.
Jeff is the most sober voice i heard on china competition. John is just all about zero sum game... only small minds think in this way. Only Americans thinks in this way and not the rest of the world.
I had great respect for John meirsheimer. After what he said, he’s just another war monger.
Yes, he still lives in the old world of cold war.
What took you so long to recognize that?
Is America a democracy or oligarchy moneyocracy? The fundamental systemic differences between USA and China are:
1 There's no slaughter, loot and genocide against natives and ethnic minorities in China, the 'I Can't Breathe' incident never happened in China.
2. There's no forced labouring,, no child pornography, not even a forced tipping in China.
3. The US per capita income is 6.4 times ahead of China's, why we see the homeless everywhere on street in the US but couldn't find such scene anywhere in China?
4. China does not allow 1% of the population to own more than 95% of the population's total wealth.
5. China does not allow its people to die in mass shootings, let alone let school children get massacred by guns.
6. China does not allow the drug problem to plague the country and kill more than 100,000 people every year.
7. China has never invaded other countries or engaged in colonial expansion.
8. China never interferes in the internal affairs of other countries and never seeks and fosters agents abroad.
9. China has never based its foreign policies on 'We lied, we cheated, we stole. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment (Pompeo)'.
10. China has never sought to dominate the world, nor deprived any country (region) of its right of development. On the contrary, China shares development and prosperity with all trading partners.
11. China will never do anything to weaken or eliminate an opponent in order to win. Instead, China is focused on bettering itself.
12. China never fires missiles at wandering balloons, but heavily invests in better infrastructures so Chinese people can enjoy better life, safety and health.
13. China advocates and practices in 'Unite and Prosper', the US pursues and believes in 'Divide and Rule', one is constructive and one is destructive.
14. China always follows Confucius philosophy 'Seek common interest and reserve difference', the US prefers 'Either at the table or on the menu (Blinken)'.
15. Chinese Communist Party members never act as brokers for the military industrial complex in abroad.
16. China walks the talk with a moral compass, the US talks the walk without any moral compass.
Conclusion: China's system truly reflects 'of the people, by the people, for the people', the US system betrayed Abraham Lincoln's idea, it truly manifested 'of the 1% people, by the 1% people, for the 1% people'.
The writer of the book «The clash of civilizations» Samuel Huntington said it best: 'The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.'
@@harryni2162 Well written Thanks.
I stopped listening to JM. Full of bulls**t . Period. Another war mongering.
Jeff is 100% right.
Thank you Prof Sachs for exposing Mearsheimer's ignorance on China.
The professor always come up with this krap - Th US pushing Russia into the arms of China - what sort of mentally degenerate moron continues to say such krap ?
China does not want to end up like Libya, or like Iraq, or like Syria, or like Afghanistan.
100000% - Correct
I agree more with prof Jeff.
JM, i would never touch his book or attend his talk. Great we have J Sachs around!
He is always full of bullsh*t
i have 0 respect for JM. I dont see nor hear anything he says. He is a wwarmonger. JS on the other hand, i listen. JS is level headed. and he is right. Imagine the good that would come to the whole world if both the US and China work together for the betterment of mankind.
Good example is Space, if not for the "US Wolf Act" of 2011, mankind would have a moon base & travel to Mars by now. Proof: After 2028, four years from now, only China will have a Space Station around Earth and written on it space station door lock in English "USA & it's Allies not Welcome" for the Wolf Act.
Shameless US thinking of hegemony
Another Nation did so in the past what US is doing, we call it Roman at one time. Time is US real enemy now.
People with different mind set will lead to different behaviors. For this two figures, JM will lead to WAR, while JS will lead to PEACE.
Spot on!
Mearsheimer still maintains the Cold War stance. You can say that he does not care about peace or even want peace. He only wants a global order with US dominating it.
Correctly!!!!
The problem with you logic is that economic relationship will end in good term on both side, but that's not always happening in international politics. Even in the age of globalization, different state had different interest and different ideology or way of life, hence they will used any mean available (including power politics approach) to gaining what they want, even it will cost good relations with other state. This dynamic will lead to security competition or even worse war between big state
The assumption that every country would act like the US if given chance is very wrong.
Good example: ASEAN
Except If he or she is an Anglo-Saxon. They are the warriors.
Every body has a mindset to feel proud to be strong, but not as an aggressor like John suggested!!!
@@yaphonghor4409
Yes, Jeffrey Sachs’ opinion is excellent.
John Mearshiemer argues everybody
acts as an aggressor once powerful ! Silly
On Mearsheimer- so if your neighbor is doing well, they are your enemy?? Arrogant!!!!
A brilliant question and analogy.
Succinctly put
John is in error. His background in a New York public school where it appears might is right is totally different to a long tradition of education in China where virtue, respect and obedience to parents, and education is of primary motivation - being a successful footballer or supreme in any sport, being physically number one is the objective of many in higher education in the United States. America has minimum understanding of Chinese values and the basis and structure of its general educational system. Mr Mearsheimer must reassess his views on Chinese hegemon, of course he is correct in many ways of how Powerful countries behave but China has no expansion of foreign territories on its agenda, no ambitions to over throw any government of a sovereign state, China is not trying to impose it's system of government on other countries, it has virtually no military bases in other countries, it does not want to be an imperial power. Mr Mearsheimer China is different in so many ways to Western ideas of how Powerful countries behave that, with respect, highly intelligent people such as yourself have difficulty in accepting China is not a military threat to the world unless you make it so.
Well said.
The belt and road ports are capable of military use. Several of them have ..police forces…of Chinese military contractors protecting them. Are they like 1900 coaling stations?
JM is so disgusting.
JM is so senile he’s forgotten the Sino-Soviet relationship in the 50s and 60s. “We’ve pushed Russia into the arms of China” - lol.
@@sciagurrato1831
When Mearsheimer said "We (American) push Russia into the arm with the Chinese", he basically talking about recent development in international politics, not during Cold War. Lol. You need to understand the context before you accused anybody senile.
Plus, Sino-Soviet relationship during Cold War is not permanent. Whatever happens that end the good relationship between Soviet and China during Cold War, United States benefits greatly when two communist power drift away from one another
He isn't, you all are missing the point, he is an academic, he's not anti China, his theory is a very well developed on that's been proven historically for decades. Even Jeffery Sachs underatands and greatly respects him. They can disagree.
Read his works, he is simply applying theory to reality from a US perspective so what he says sounds like warmongering but he would asvocate the same if he were taking a chinese position.
It's always been about control and power, not the actor. Whether its China now or India in 20 years, you play the game of dominance to survive because if you fail then what the US does to other countries now can be done to you.
@@domokun845 theoretical justification for hegemony is less than useless.
Only in the west does genocide seem to require “theoretical” justification, from Yahweh to Netanyahu.
Burke and Bastiat will always be read, he will follow his “theory” into the dustbin of history.
@@sciagurrato1831 We need to be smart enough to distinguish theory and application, which is where often things go awry. Most replies to this click bait of a video are not using logic but emotion based on nationalism.
JM is a big disappointment with his untenable belief that superpower America has the absolute right to have military bases around the globe but not China or anyone else.... and dictating, interfering and regime change others with impunity.
Another Nation did so in the past what US is doing, we call it Roman at one time.
@@chriswong9158 History has iron clad record that all empires/aggressors broke themselves up very soon! The last one was British empire!!!!!
Sachs has been to China and understand the country, their people, the cultures whereas John has not been to China at least not the last few years
JM is a big hypocrite and I don’t understand his thinking that Americans are allowed to attack anyone they want. What a sicker and he needs a brain transplant.
Jeff is right person on china
China: Am I a threat? What did I do?
Mearsheimer: Your existence?
Putin and Xi arent dictators,,stoped listening to this bs right there 😂
I got to minute 5:45.
U$ dictators think the others are as bad as them ( Putin & Xi are national strong & liked leaders + supported by >85% world - Global South ;)
China is a communal but not a liberal democracy. Full stop.
'stoped'
They are.
Mr. J.S You are so right,God bless you!
Agreeing with Professor JS.
The statement "just because someone is a current hegemon, another person would aspire to be a new hegemon" does not hold water. A change of mental model by us (towards a better understanding of others) will serve the entire world well.
No hard feelings.
Best wishes to both professors.
John's thinking is total Psycho..
Absolutely!
Eventually, every boxing champ gets dethroned by its challenger, accept and shake hands 😇😇😇
I buy JS's reasoning without reservation but not JM's to avoid a nuclear war!
Jeffrey Sachs is smarter and more convincing...
I admire Jeff Sachs as he is surrounded by warmonger Chinese haters. Sachs is right. U$ needs to stop coldwar and meddling. Little Johny M. Is cluesless about reality😂
Meirshamer is just that. A shame.
Excellently put by Prof Sachs of the position argued by Prof Mearsheimer ie that the theory is actually a clear explanation of the US foreign policy of hegemonic and power projection. I would add that the current issues in East China, South China and Taiwan being pursued by China are relatively recent historical grievances that China had suffered. China does not have any historical grievances with the US but with the policy being pursued by the US, that in the future may very well become a historical grievance for China against the US. If anyone should fear China if she becomes a hegemonic power it should be Russia because China had also suffered previously under Russian power. I would also add that China is unlikely to behave like the US as she would loose all credibility with the global south nations. I also like Prof Sachs’ argument that there is more than enough creativity and critical thinking in the US to pursue a policy that does not lead to Armageddon.
The people on the island of Taiwan should understand the different Taiwan is with Ukraine. Ukrainians can walk to the Western Europe and Taiwanese of 23 millions are on a island. In USA eyes, one kill is a murder, 1 million is just a number who does not hold US passport. To save 1.4 Billions, the 23 Millions does not need to exist.
@@chriswong9158You missed the fact that Ukraine is an independent sovereign country while Taiwan ROC is a part of China. It even stipulates in the current ROC Constitution. Recognize as such by the UN, and the US of A itself.
John just hides behind logic to explain what, in fact, is irrational
JM has been a little softer to the Chinese now, he might have some interviews from the Chinese. When you watch the debates he had in Australia 20 years ago, he was very hawkish to practice China's threats
20 years ago, US did not put "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" into play. Today we have BRICS+
John Mearsheimer is a West Point grad. Do they not teach diplomacy there, that only war is a 'realist' solution? Is it 'realist' to believe we can win a world war, nuclear at that? Mearsheimer is not a realist.
Don't ask John Mearsheimer about China, he doesn't know. In his view, China and the US are the same countries.
JM is so disgusting with big bully mentality.
John M. Doesn’t have a passport and thinks like a kid. Poor him hasn’t been out of his home.
I appreciate Jeffrey Sach’s well thought-out position on this - the most important topic on the planet. For a question that determines whether or not we as humans actually survive this issue gets very little attention. But since it is the most existential issue for everyone on the planet - can we just agree that a little caution and as JS states a little prudence goes a long way? As they say good fences make good neighbours, and JS points out that the Pacific Ocean acts as a bit of a buffer zone, and that is a very good thing. We don’t have to be in each other’s face 24/7. This meddling / containment / interventionalist approach where one country goes around the world telling every other country what they can and cannot do, installing almost 1000 military bases around the world may be a deterrence in the short term but escalation is as inevitable as death and taxes. Refusing to consider the positions, needs and aspirations of other countries; actively stepping in to say no - we have a better idea for your country is the height of arrogance.That approach/ policy will not succeed and survive forever. Imagine what could be done at home to improve one’s own country with the resources that are needed but are sent to the far corners of the world to try to maintain this hegemony. Plus the efforts made to try to stunt the growth of anyone we imagine who might be starting to get strong as well and present problems in the future. JS is such a brilliant analyst - he recognizes that it is possible for other countries to prosper without being threatening and all these efforts at containment are very risky. And in a world where many countries have nuclear capabilities taking risks and assuming that the noise you hear is just sabre rattling is not wise
Chinese leaders have been trying to convince U.S. presidents for more than 10 years that “the Pacific Ocean is vast enough for both China and the U.S. to coexist and cooperate,” but their words have fallen on deaf ears. 😢
The key to defeating American hege"money" IS to stop using their "money".
Very well said.
Already happening since 2022, thanks to USA sanction & seizer use of the dollar. Proof: Japanese bank just dump (sell) $60Bn US Bonds following China's $54Bn sell in Feb 2024. US Allies are also dumping the dollars reserve.
Best to come, October 2024, BRICS+ Summit will detail 10 Trillions $$$ trade not using US$$$ (SWIFT) in future.
They were gunning up against Jeff but they don’t have nearly as much firepower as Jeff, especially that intellectual lightweight on the left keeping trying to cut in.
If those who back Mearsheimer wanted us to favor that approach and not Sachs', they should not have started a war against us, the people. Our biggest threat is our out-of-control government.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we lose our freedoms it will be because we have destroyed ourselves from within" - Abraham Lincoln, very first Republican US President & shot kill by a Conf. Democrat
Jeffrey Sach views and thought is far more in-depth, rational and wide than JM. Jeff, you are a great thinker and promoter of world peace. God bless and take care.
It is amazing to see how mr sachs has the courage to voice and explain his mind in spite of everybody in the audience! A good example to follow! Thanks for showing us the way. God bless you!❤
This is a debate between War(Prof Mearsheimer + rest) and Peace(Prof Jeffrey Sachs). Regardless of Prof Mearsheimer justification, how is war, destruction, sufferings, death and even the total extinction of mankind a good thing?
JM -American supremacy and the rest don’t even should have a chance
Not everyone are war mongers
JM, is like Frog live in the Well.
Shock and Awe won't work on China any more.
Not after China’s Century of Humiliation 1839-1949
A Chinese diplomat said to Blinken after he had spent half an hour lecturing China. “You must realise that America is no longer in a position of power to tell China what to do”. Blinken has never lived that humiliating reply down.
@@johnm7267 There are almost 200 countries in the world. America still can tell allmost all of them what to do.
Thats why, John Mearsheimer, what he hope for will not happen
China is built by hard working people smart people's
China is built by it's 3,000 years of history. China had saw the Greek, Roman, Viking come & go in time...
Unless Chinese naval ships have a "right" to be in the Caribbean there is no honorable reason for the US fleet in the seas off China. As usual when the US gabs about "rights" they mean nobody's rights but their own
Exactly. A simple analogy but straight to the point
Mearsheimer shanelessly justified western domination on the basis of Greecuan Spartan wars.
That's a historical lesson for avoiding conflicts, not a justification. Greek and Spartan ignorant politicians destroyed themselves. Weapons used then had limited effects. Now it's the age of nuclear weapons.
Is anyone serious in justifying wars? Its an antiquated mindset. Mersheimer missed the key lesson.
The true key lesson all should remember, we once call them Roman.
China had seen them come & gone... Like the Roman, China will see US come & gone if American heed history.
The host on the far left is really so rude and mindless
US has no business to be a 'hegemon' to the world. Being a hegemon means it must have responsibility to safeguard world peace, safety and prosperity for all, has US kept to such responsibilities?
Jeff’s being tagged team. Typical American style politics.
The world has become a board game in which:
USA is playing Checkers, thinking 1 move ahead.
Russia is playing Chess, thinking 5 moves ahead.
China is playing Go (Weiqi 围棋), thinking 10 moves ahead.
A bully does not succeed by playing nice. If you think he has your best interest at heart you will eventually find him a false friend.
Henry Kissinger Quote: “To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”