The Miata Has a Big Problem
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The answer for a fun, reliable, and cheap sports car, has always been the Mazda Miata. But Mazda just announced that they're seeking to electrify the MX-5 Miata in an effort to have all models feature some form of electrification by 2030. Electric Vehicles often have some very "Un-Miata" like characteristics, so will our favorite sports car be gone forever? Today we're gonna figure it out!
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The Miata ND now has increased in value. Thank you.
Got mine ND 2020, mmmm...can't say I found anything wrong with the car, and on track day, I fell in love when I smashed a S2000.
@@StrainXv he said the 0-60 for a 2017 was 5.7 seconds. That true and if so it’s not smashing much.
That have already gone up significantly in the past year along with everything else.
@@StrainXv When ND Miata guys get happy about “Smashing” a 20 year old car. Yet it still took Mazda 20 years to finally develop a worthy competitor LOL.
@@freebehindbars8654 in my country below 6s is fast, cuz most of the cars here barely hit 60 in 9 secs :(
Miata will live forever
NA6 for life....
@@zuranku That's what I have too 🤍
no way
love your video! mad fan from China
@@TheCarPassionChannel you also have a bp4w and a bp5d if I am not mistaken. Congrats on getting the vvt back up and running.
Miata forever for sure
I trust Mazda to get it right, They’ve been doing it right for over 30 years now
This
Anyone who thinks Mazda is about to dump a giant heavy EV battery in a Miata chassis hasn’t got a clue. Look at the Mx-30, Mazda is doing electrification differently than everyone else, that’s pretty clear.
Except the rotaries, *thumbs down*
@@rak6437 I have to disagree ruclips.net/video/sxXtpMngivM/видео.html
rx8 and nc miata have left the chat
Hey! I race those non-roll cage go-karts!!
That's awesome bro.
Hey so cool to see people I watch watch what I watch
@@jimmbrooks bro what drugs u usin
If you actually do race these piles and without a cage your not very intelligent
@@4aarunramash574 he is just saying the commenter is someone he watches and that its cool to see that the commenter watches donut (also what he watches)
"I know people that gained 150 lbs during summer semester"
I don't like being called out like that
James...
Youve gained an entire me
If hydrogen weren't as inefficient, it'd be pretty cool to see a hydrogen Miata. But also, that'll be a fun crash when it happens
Yea just a small blast radius 😂
It's just a small field nuke....
An explosion cannot occur in a tank or any contained location that contains only hydrogen. An oxidizer such as oxygen must be present in a concentration of at least 10% pure oxygen or 41% air. Hydrogen can be explosive at concentrations of 18.3% to 59%.
In the event of a hydrogen leak, the gas simply dissipates harmlessly. Moreover, the tanks that contain H2 are thick walled and carefully designed to prevent leaking, even after a substantial crash.
@@StSparky Translation: Stop making fun of this thing that burns really easily!
So buy a herd of Miatas to sell when I retire, sounds good 👍🏼
Exactly what I got out of this video
They already expensive mate
@@qoqoboyy you can get a sub50,000 mile 1st gen Miata for under 10k. Customization on them is fairly cheap too. For a solid track car that you do most of the work, probably run around 15-20k all said. Not a bad price for a decent track car/ daily driver
Problem is once they stop making ice engine the price of gasoline is going to skyrocket coincidentally to get them off the roadways
Unless they outlaw gas
I've watched so much B2B everytime weight is mentioned I brace for the "your mom" line
Right there with you… best part of the show. I know it’s coming and it still has me rolling every time he Jerry Bear says it…
So did she. Cuz ya know....tipping hazard lol
The next miata will be the NE. "E" pretty sure it'll be electric. Im happy with my NA
There already is an NE-code MX-5, it's the Fiat 124 Spider!
@@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X cool, I didnt know the Fiat had the NE code.
I stand by what I said 😌
@@TheJem1311
I fear you are right...
Nah it would be the NF “F” for failing all the Miata owners and enthusiasts... that’s why I’m happy with my 91 NA Turbo Miata
Loved my NB...only gripe was no tilt steering
This just makes me want to keep my Miata even more indefinitely.
Same.
Hmm, looks like I'd better get some Mazda zoom zoom before it's 2 late to turn your oughta into Miata
@@jalderink Might as well get the latest gasoline one.
I feel that, I have a 2006 with 140K miles on it, and I don't want to part with it.... no traction control, no TPMS.... just a simple, fun car that has never left me stranded.
Man, whoever edited this video was showing off some serious skills, respect.
at 2:48 they forgot to change lbs to kg for the second stat tho haha
@@kerssed ehh no one wants a ROYAL WITH CHEESE..........
4:12 reflexion flex
skills, yes. taste? i dunno.
Bunch of freemasons, who have access to the most advanced equipment and software for editing.
The lithium in EV batteries is also an alkali metal, which reacts violently with water. So there's another fun challenge for the firefighters.
also EVs can burn for days
I mean CO2 extinguishers have been a thing for ages and dry chemical is just better anyway at suppressing fires.
lithium batteries dont actually have any metallic lithium, its a salt. they burn because theyre flammable and have a lot of energy that dumps between the layers
@@hawkbird6294 I did not know that. Well, time for more research I guess.
Non-EV cars are 10x more likely to catch on fire. Gasoline burns quite quickly and cars contain quite a bit. Lithium ion batteries are only around 1% lithium.
I love how Donut brings the: The more you know joke once a year
@@elisabet-------262 begone
@@whyleo- oh no...now there 2 of them
@@MuhdAriff-kv5zn 😔
@@awgiedawgie jajajajs you’re right
Who cares about wrinkles...?
I'm just struggling to imagine ever wanting to own a Miata without manual
Agreed, the Miata manual take rate is still over 50% in the US last I checked
Tried looking for one nearby for fun and the only cheap one is an auto
they'll probably still be manuals if the ev Miata is late to the party
Honestly a Miata with the BMW M2 automatic would be sick, though
And an ev will never be what i want either.
10:18 batteries reigniting, the Rimac that Hammond crashed kept catching fire for about 5 days afterwards
The gear shift feel is one of the best attributes of the Mazda MX-5 to make it so engaging to drive despite the modest power output, so the future looks bleak for Mazda. Obviously there's no point in having a 6 Spd transmission to an electric motor, so I really hope Mazda collaborate with Porsche for the synthetic eFuel project, in order to prolong the internal combustion engine for the minority (enthusiasts).
But they can put a manual in an electric miata, seen the mustang lithium, jeep magneto and opel manta elektromod
@@pauldoodnath doesnt matter if there is no point because there is no lack in power band.
@@darrengarcia4937 there is a point for having a manual as it will give enthusiasts the ability to still row their own gears but the ability to still be able to drive it like a normal ev, it would be a win win
@@darrengarcia4937 manuals help ev to have better range and improve acceleration and top speed.
You can definitely still use a manual with an electric motor. That's what a lot of the dc motors would do since they don't like to "rev" as high and have a much more limited power band. Even a single 100kw dc motor would work (~80hp, but 300 or more lbs pounds) This would still keep that feel of a miata and work with a manual. Weight on the other hand will just have to wait untill technology catches up. Or just have only 120 miles of range.
Dang! That's a pretty specific Volvo to just be throwing up there at 2:30. Do we have a Volvo enthusiast inside Donut!?
-Sean
yoyoyo when will your wheels stop being back ordered
@@TurboSeth since when did RUclips comment sections become customer support?
@@LvLdGhost 😂😂😂 everything is customer support if you're brave enough!
@@LvLdGhost i’m howard hughes i can get anything, anytime i want
Specific? That's probably the most well know Volvo of all time
If I’m not mistaken that Formula E race technically didn’t run out of electricity but they ran out of the allotted charge given by the race control to race with.
the total amount of charge they're allowed to use is reduced during safety/pace car periods, someone got the maths wrong, and that caused the cut off point to arrive before the end of the race. The cars had plenty charge left, but weren't allowed to use it. That's how it was at the time, i'm not sure if this rule's been changed since
that's even worse
Couldnt they just design the cars in a way where the batteries can be swapped out quickly? It could kind of be an equivalent of a refuel. Of course, they would also need like a crane or something to lift the batteries but, it still seems like a decent solution.
@@goblingamer606 When F E first started the batteries weren't up to the job, so they used 2 cars per race, with the driver swapping cars during a fixed length pitstop. Battery swapping sounds fine in theory, but when it's being done in a hurry it's only a matter of time before something goes wrong, or gets wet, or electrocuted
It all seems to be progressing ok really, just that 1 screwup with the pace/safety car grabbed some attention, but remembering that the cars weren't actually out of power it's a minor issue. It does suck that some drivers were penalised for using more power than they were allowed, despite the fact that the car was basically crawling on minimum power (like when an engine goes limp mode)
@@goblingamer606 Both Tesla and Renault EVs were designed like that in the beginning but they soon found out that is was not a good solution and changed over to a fixed battery.
Mazda also said "electrification" means hybrids and EVs, not just EVs. The Miata will be a hybrid with a manual option for the 2030s (and hopefully the RX-9 too)
Hehe, Mazda making me feel like an F1 driver.
"BEV" EV still means "Electrified Vehicle", as in hybrids, BEVs, GEVs, Fuel Cell, and anything else not a straight ICE-V, regardless of what some fanboys want to say. "BEV", for "Battery Electric Vehicle", is more accurate, precise, and less mentally lazy.
Hybrid Miata sounds awesome. Always wanted more hybrid/EV sports cars.
Exactly, even so-called "mild" hybrids like what all the German automakers are doing counts as "electrified". I bet that's what the next Miata gets. A fancy start/stop system.
hybrid systems are costlier to develop and manufacture than a fully electric system. Miatas wont be miatas if they cost as much as a base level tesla. Also a hybrid rotory powered RX-9? Give me a break. The miata will probably be the final love song to us enthusiasts from Mazda, and then its gonna be just another Mitsubishi, making bloated computer on wheels.
26k prayers for baby elephants and counting. You're doing the lord's work Jerry
39k now lmao
Make that 41k prayers
Honestly, elephants could use the prayers anyway so I think it's all good 👍🙏🤙😄
Almost 50k.
Up to 90k prayers now on the prayer ticker now
Important correction: The cars in the Valencia E-Prix didn't "run out of electricity before the race of over". They ran out of their allocated electricity use. There was still energy left in the battery, but it cannot be used for the race.
This. Very very different! Also the car ran out of usable energy because of a combination of safety car and bad timing that made the race a lap longer than it was predicted
So they did run out..
@@nos4me no, they didn't run out, when safety car periods happen the race direction artificially reduce the amount of electrical power they can use for the race. The batteries were not physically depleted. It's like saying a petrol car can only use 60 litres out of a total of 80 litres on board for a race. They'd still have 20 litres left when they've used 60.
But they still ran out and couldn't continue the race... You can argue semantics all you want. the end result is the same.
@@Nefarious_Bread no its not. Imagine it was regular formula 1 but everytime the safety entered the track they were banned for using 1 liter. This is an artificial limit as the race series is to do much with a certain amount of energy.
A recent F1 GP had a car that ended the race with less than 1 liter of gas, something that is against regulations. He did not ran out of gas, he just didn't managed it well. Now imagine everytime race direction does something stupid they forbid all cars from using a liter of available gas that is in the car. Add to that that the race duration isn't X laps, but X time + 1 lap.
They had plenty of juice left, the alloted energy was severily diminished that race.
The real reason was because the leading rider was 12 seconds too early to finish the lap and made all cars have to do another extra lap
Thank you for mentioning the track safety crews, as I'm a motorsport marshal in the United States. I did see a model 3 at my local track, and have worked with Formula E. The biggest concern is fire and electrocution. Most tracks/series/marshals use dry chemical fire extinguishers. Liquid extinguishers are more for fuel
No hate or anything, but a marshal with the name of "kittyboi"
But yeah, using chemicals to put out electrical fires is honestly the safest way to go, atleast until people can find a way to remotely deactivate the batteries
@@Moosifer.1 it's a nickname. So, your point?
@@OzKittyboi so u gay? gay funny.
@@Nolangentry36Bruh, who cares? I came here for good car content, not idiotic drama in the comments. Period. Please miss me with that bs.
I believe that "electrification" doesn't mean exactly EV cars. For the Miata, that is 100% gas powered, it may mean a mild Hybrid or even a PHEV.
What's PHEV?
@@tomboyhorse1236 a Plug-in Hybrid. Something like the BMW 330e
I agree. The tech is still new; hybrid systems are making their way into smaller and smaller sport sedans and sports cars and forced induction tech is getting better and better from the days of the 90s where it was rare from the factory. I think we'll eventually see a Miata that moves beyond only natural aspiration but will still have a small engine and will be fun to drive.
I believe mild hybrid is a good thing for pretty much every sport car
Small battery pack in the trunk for that weight distribution. Honestly wouldn't be 100% opposed to that approach
"Up next, Harley Davidson says they'er going all electric! Lets talk about how great they'll be minus everything anyone wants in a Harley."
They should use lead acid batteries to keep their tradition to use old tech
@@aaronaaronsen3360 hahaha got em
@@aaronaaronsen3360 they should just use potatoes wired to a tiny electric motor. would be barely slower tbh
@@joeking433 that's not the reason they're going downhill. They already made the Livewire but we can see how well that's selling. The main issue with electric bikes is range. They don't have the space that cars do for massive battery packs so most electric bikes struggle to get 60-80 miles of range before needing to be recharged for several hours.
The problem is Harley hasn't modernized their gasoline bikes to stay competitive with everyone else. Most of their engines and frames have basically been the same designs for at least 40 years while everyone else has made lighter, more powerful bikes that also cost less. Harley has been kept alive by catering to the same generation of customers for the past few decades, but the problem is that generation is getting too old to ride (their 3rd best selling bike is a 3-wheeler) and in a couple decades they're gonna be dying off. Now, their new Revolution Max engine looks promising, but it cost them a pretty penny to develop so it's gonna be a while before they pay it off. Let's just hope it's not too little, too late.
Maybe they'd stop leaking oil
I’d be cool with an electric Miata if it has pop up headlights
Id be fine with anything that has pop up headlights
thats how they win the public back. the pop up headlights would totally make it a hit
too bad they’re banned due to safety reasons
@@ryanb9047 nope. That's a myth.
@@ryanb9047 i thought they weren’t specifically banned its just that crash safety specs made the design at the time unfeasible. my understanding was that if a manufacturer designed popups that allowed the crash safety to still meet specs then theyd still be allowed
I love how they included both metric and imperial units in image descriptions.
Literally the best part about miatas were that u can work on them so easily, electric vehicles are just simply not easy or safe to work on.
what do you plan on fixing/modifying on an ev? 😂 theres 1 moving part
@@Dainternetdude you could mod in bigger motors
@@kylestork6737 Well that's basically engine swap, doable yes but not for amateurs
@@Dainternetdude that's the problem, how boring would life as a car enthusiast be if every mx5 is the same? Part of the joy of ownership is to modify and make it your own
@@MrPamber Yes I'm with you that it would be boring if every car was the same, and I would prefer some sports cars to stay gas-powered and simple for enthusiasts to modify, but we must also acknowledge that most mods done on miatas aren't drivetrain mods, they're suspension, wheels, paint/wrap, body kits, stickers, wings, etc.
Gives a whole new meaning to: “NOOO WE MISS THE DAYS OF THE 2JZ, THE LS1, THE S85 V10!!! 😭”
Also the 4G63, EJ20, RB26, also the V6 in the NSX and some V12 engines, and also the 13B ❤️❤️❤️.......
@@theraildynasty_ nsx's trait wasn't its v6 actually, it's more like the cheap ferrari beater
I don't know about the rest of those engines but 2JZ's and LS engines will stand the test of time!!!
Im sorry but in what car (that you can actually find) are you fully enjoying the s85? Good luck finding a manual m5 or m6. I test drove an auto m5...it sounds good but feels broken when you drive it like an automatic. No clue what bmw was actually shooting for.
@@MRMAN-wb1tv the EJ20 and the RB26 will always be remembered as the little rally legends that could
I like how your shirts is brand new and you just unfolded it just before hitting the record button. Lol the wrinkles don’t lie!
Don’t roast him like that 😂😂😂
now THAT is a keen eye
Damn… that’s true. If he won’t rock them why should we? FUCK DONUT!!!
@@kestermyronsoldmcmanager1273 what’s wrong with donut lol
sharp eyes you got there
I love that you guys leave in the silly laughing bits
The more you know
@@女子絵気教え no one cares mate
@thx wow cool wont watch
@@leamigo2937 jokes on you, that's a bot
"Simplify and add lightness"
Exactly what Money Pit Miata DIDN"T DO!
10:58 while I like hearing Formula E being mentioned, this seemingly simple fact doesn't tell the story as it's wrong. The race had a lot of safety cars and during each safety car the FIA virtually reduces the amount of energy a car is allowed to use. So they only "virtually" ran out of battery life or you can say they ran out of the energy that they were allowed to use. The cars could've easily all finished on the battery charge and even kept on going longer, but as the series is highly focused on being energy efficient and forcing energy saving driving, they virtually limit what you're allowed to use.
Imagine starting a motorsport because you want to be eco friendly. Fucking hilarious. Dumbest sport on the planet.
@@sgtpepper6379 LMAO
@ᴛᴀᴘ ᴍᴇ ᴀɴᴅ sᴇᴇ Sophia What does this have to do with range or running out of battery?
@@ThisMarv public safety is important
@@JMak02 still has nothing to do with my comment though
Donut has the best car videos on youtube
Verified imposter? Tf is going on here
sussy baka
They just don't take themself too serious. Always a good idea.
That's sus
They'd be even better if they didn't need sponsors cutting into their videos
Knowing an electric MX-5 is on the horizon makes me grateful I got the opportunity to get the ND in my lifetime. Might very well be the last of it's kind.
Yeah. I hear that
True. I dont see a problem with it being a EV-Miata, but if will have heavy batteries, it will need a miracle to keep it light.
The part about Formula E in Valencia 2021 was not entirely accurate. Almost half of the drivers got DNF'd because they used more energy than was allowed during the race. The batteries of most cars didn't actually run out.
There is no actual difference. Whether you physically or artificially limit the stored energy the results are the same.
@@VTOffRoadAdventures The way it was presented in the video made it seem like it was due to the actual capacity of the batteries, which it was not. It was used almost as an argument against EV's which is misleading.
That specific race was pretty catastrophic. The safety car was on the track for about seven times if I remember correctly. And every time the safety car is on the track the officials "remove" energy from the cars batteries to compensate for the lower usage when driving slow. In this case the teams didn't know how to correctly adapt to the situation and ended up using too much energy. So if anything that example is an example of how hard it is to balance this sort of situations in a specific sport with a specific rule set. It had nothing to do with battery technology or its capabilities.
@@armeli thank you for a clear and concise explanation of what happened in that race. I had not really understood before. Now that I understand, I think the rule is outrageously stupid, but whatever, rules are rules and drivers (and teams) have to work within the rules.
But I’ll take SCCA rules over FIA any day. 360° video of me racing my EVSR electric race car at ruclips.net/video/jN_JHLgvOiE/видео.html
The Miata, since its conception, has always been more than just about the handling characteristics. They are about the sound, the feel, the fit, jinba-ittai.
Don’t forget that the Miata wouldn’t have been produced had it not been for the owner of Mazda going for a drive in an old British Roadster, in order to understand the purpose of a roadster.
Sure the car has always been great for racing but for those of us on the roadways, it’s always been fun and had sound characteristics of an MGB or Triumph Spitfire. An electric application may satisfy the drive feel of a Miata but it will never replace the sounds of one.
Not to mention saying good bye to the third pedal Miata for good. 😢
No more clutch, no more high rev engine sounds, no more *snik snik* sounds of the shifter going into gear after gear.
All this will do is skyrocket the price of the old Miatas as they are.
Electric cars can be fun, not doubting them at all, but they are their own animal. They can never replace the sound and feel of our internal combustion engines. ICE’s are becoming an enthusiast only commodity.
The generation of brains that associate ICE sounds with speed and power will grow old and fade away. They will be replaced by brains that associate quietness and smoothness with speed and power. They will, in turn, be replaced by something else down the road.
Remember the generation that associated the smell of grass and manure with speed and power? They're all dead.
I think that electric vehicles will take over much faster than people have predicted. In the not so distant future, 100% of vehicles will be electric. There will be a day in our lifetime when you can no longer even buy gasoline. When that day comes, who would buy an ICE vehicle that they can not use? The value of ICE cars will go down not up
I'll say it now. Electrification of sportscars will ruin the driving experience and the drivers car.
Love how they covered the BMW logo in the ad as if car people watching a car channel couldn't find out😆
It's a legal issue. Not about people finding out or not.
....that's not the point
Well, looks like I’m getting one of the last ICE Miatas to go along with my NA.
The charging problem for an endurance race could maybe be solved by using quick replaceable batteries, so you can drive while the second battery pack is charging
Considering the fact that Mazda is the one who pioneered the "rotary engine sports car" (a very unusual engine especially for its time) and that they love experimenting with new ideas, I would say it would not be surprising for the "E-Miata" to be a BANGER when it hits the market.
I think even if Mazda makes the Miata electric it will still be a solid driving experience in terms of steering and balance.
Yea same way I'm thinking. This will probably be the one EV that gets gearheads in to electric. They never messed up the miata (honestly they could have kept the mazdaspeed miata)
Knowing Mazda, they will take extra care with the Electric Miata. I’m not too worried with the weight as long as they keep it under 3000lbs.
@@SicSemperBeats mazdaspeed was pretty underwhelming, if you want a turbo do it yourself
Not the mE-ata 😩
I appreciate the real discussion on evs without the over the top fear mongering and bias which usually comes with it(both sides)
"Do gooders" are absolutely going to be the end of affordable sports cars until we work out an industrial process for NH3 manufacture. I mean, the world is ending 6 or 7 years, last I checked... You cannot beat the laws of physics. Batteries will never become efficient enough to make a quality sports car like the Miata. Hydrogen ICE probably won't either. But NH3 ICE might be a... decent substitute. Who knows, but I think by 2035 people are going to realize Lith batteries are not the solution.
@@connorcampbell5274 nuclear it is
@@AintiTrippin Fallout go brrrrrrr
@@connorcampbell5274 here I was appreciating someone for having a real talk without the bs and the bias and you had to come bashing through like the cool aid man but without a delicious beverage for the kids.
@@AintiTrippin imagine nuclear powered cars , and what if it crash lmao
I want an electric miata. There, I said it.
Most use it as a daily, few as a track car. Electrics are also good as a second car. For me, I'd rather have my second car be a handling-focused small convertible. I don't care about range, I just want to have fun.
I daily a gasser with less range than most electric cars so I’m with you. That said I’m seriously considering the Lightning as a replacement o my Jeep because I’ve pretty much stopped doing trails and need more storage space. Might actually keep the Jeep for a second vehicle, though.
Electric batteries will just fill landfills and make the ground too acidic to plant anything. Absolutely not the way to go. It'll be like that one movie where they use Gatorade for everything and nothing grows.
Miata has a lot of electrification potential. I remember seeing a video from 2014 where a Miata with 2 forklift motors beat a Model S P85. I think it was running 9.2s quarter miles, which makes it as fast as the Model S Plaid, but 7 years before.
Can it go brrrrr brrrrrr brrrrr wap pap pap tho?
When they go electric clapped na miatas are bout to be 15k
Clapped out NA Miata's are already 15k. 😂. (not really, but they are creeping up there)
shit in ohio a clean low mileage na will go for 15k all day
@@elijahteaford2368 and the price will only go up and up as time goes on, Miatas are about to become relics
I scored a sunburst in great condition a year ago. No mods. This thing has literally been a great investment
@@chadberkhouse2523 no cap😂😂
Personally, I'll believe in a lightweight and long-range EV when I see one. Unfortunately, since the end of the 90's, the only rechargeable battery revolution that happened so far is lithium-ion. All the others (IIRC at least 5 different big promising revolutionary inventions in recent 20 years) are pohibitively expensive. They failed to break cheap even if produced in high volumes. 20 years of being optimistic about new types of lightweight, cheap and powerful rechargeable batteries made me a pessimist. With increasing consumption of rare-Earth metals, I'm fairly cautious about lasting prices of even lithium-ion batteries. And yeah, making batteries is still toxic and takes a lot of energy and clean water.
As well as most of the materials are mined in inhumane conditions in Places like the Congo, under the “watchful eye” of the Chinese, then manufactured in China using coal power, before being shipped to the US. So unless you drive that car every day for 8 years in the US off a completely clean energy source, you should’ve gone with ICE
@@amelarti8962 "Most of the minerals are mined in inhumane conditions" - simply not true. Maybe one or two (ie, cobalt) has SOME suppliers in bad places, but it's absurd to say "most" of the materials come from such places. Aluminum and steel are the two most common metals in an EV, and they come from everywhere.
"In the past 3 decades, average HP has increased by 80%" ...cries in WRX
.....cries in brz lol
I mean it's not hard to increase power if the car has no power to begin with. It's like increasing a Cappucino's power by 80%. It sounds impressive on paper but really isn't.
Ahahahahahahha, I felt this. I prayed for 350 WRX, and still pray for 400 STI
There's going to have to be some serious advances in battery tech in the next 9 years to get me to give up my ICE Miata for a EV Miata. Weight isn't the only factor for me, it's range. I use my Miata for taking road trips and if I have to stop every 200 or so miles and wait an extended period of time for my car to recharge, that is kind of a deal breaker for me.
Give it 5, better 4 years and you'll be blown away
and the thing is its not even that much more eco friendly:
1. The car batteries are made in environmentally devastating lithium mines and
2. Your electricity (which the cars run on) comes from coal!
@@racecardriverrr4201 spot on
They will. With more demand comes more research and development. ICE cars came thus far since the 1900s. Electric cars came very far in just a short period, in comparison. If electric cars gains the traction it deserves, we will see much more advance tech, vehicles in out lifetime. Amphibious, if you will.
Wouldn't you stop every 200 miles for a rest break anyway though? The modern systems can recharge really fast.
The episode felt incomplete without the " Your mom " joke
cant wait to laught at automakers down the road when they realize that making only evs wont solve everything.
Every time I hear someone say cars like the Miata, 86 or BRZ need more power it's hard not to shake my head... more power would mean more expensive and that kind of defeats the purpose of these cars.
A wise man once said "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow".
they have lots of aftermarket support anyway so more power is easy but people wanted a turbo on the brz for some reason
Still needs more power. It's a problem when I have to bury the gas pedal into the floor just to merge
Keep coping lol
@@CommanderQool Just downshift, dude...
@@igortchelzoff3736 still slow af
I drove a Tesla Roadster back in 2015, for about an hour up and down 101…it was a blast, but still not as fun as a Miata! Hopefully as the future electrifies more cars, we can find that good balance!
About the weight of 12 baby elephants. That is the most US measurement I've seen
Could've said 1200 Tight Chickens amirite??
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Bald eagles is a more acceptable measurement
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You forgot one possibility: they go first-gen Honda Insight. Aluminum unibody, efficient engine (SkyActiv X?), manual transmission, and an electric motor sandwiched to the flywheel. Battery pack right behind rear seats above the subframe, or maybe even slung low under the seats.
Miata stays manual, likely gets 45+ MPG, stays light (my Insight weighs less than 1900 lbs), and the electric motor acts as a great substitute for forced induction since it can deliver power and torque anywhere, anytime (as long as the batteries are filled). Adding an adjustable regen mode for track allows you to increase regen to save on brakes and increase battery charging. And adding a pit lane mode that increases idle and turns on e-fans to expedite charging of the batteries before a race or autocross lap. And all of this can still be done for relatively cheap, since the battery can stay small.
Can you guys talk about the future of the manual and electric cars? I have heard some people electric swap old cars and keep the manual, and I think that would be a cool episode. Everyone worries about sports cars going electric, but people also hate on automatic sports cars. Maybe saving the manual could be through electric?
I second this
Those swaps are mostly done with manuals because its an easier conversion. You can just make up an adaptor plate and make a female fitment on the motor to connect to the input shaft and its essentially ready to go. You could do 'better' swaps like fitting motors directly to the rear wheels or fitting a Tesla motor in the axle etc but they involve a lot more fabrication and potentially more software tinkering. With electric motors, there is no need for manual transmissions so I can't see any way of saving them.
@@Cozmcraes there’s no need for them anyways. The manual is, at this point, not better than automatics. Just more fun to drive. I think people would hate the idea of the electrification of camaros and such less if you could get a manual. Electrification means you’re just putting different body styles on an electric chassis and making some faster. You don’t have the scream of a v8 to make it different from a Camry and you don’t have the unique sounds of a boxer in a wrx to make it different from a minivan, it’s all just electric.
Also, there’s gotta be more than an adapter plate to the swap, how would you rev match? The gears would have to become insanely short to compensate for the very high revs of electric.
@@bradleyisfishing To the best of my knowledge, you just pick a gear and leave it there with EV conversions. Theres no need to shift. I've seen videos of builds and driving with them but haven't been in one myself. Never seen a clutch fitted to one.
I started riding electric motorcycles and I love the silence. Noisy engines now feel obnoxious to me 99% of the time, especially in urban areas. They are fun at racetracks to begin with but after a while, the noise isn't enjoyable anymore, its just extra background noise pollution.
The used to be a company called Brammo who made a 6 speed electric motorcycle and I got a chance to ride one of them. It was a mega cool piece of kit but the gears were pointless. Most owners would just leave it in 3rd and these were oldskool motorcycle riders so you'd expect them to want gears. There no chance consumers buying new cars will want a manual transmission electric.
I found that all the EV haters I have met had either never driven/ridden one or had only been on e-scooters and golf cart.
@@Cozmcraes all valid points. With regard to the last part, it’s less so I mean people hate electric cars and more so they don’t like traditional enthusiast cars going all electric. Maybe the best way to save them is by trying to keep the platforms as similar as possible and just treat it as a heart transplant rather than a new everything. German cars have been going for smaller turbo engines for a while now whereas before they had big NA motors. I think it’s all about how they transition.
"the problem are the batteries" - everyone who made an electric car ever
Hydrogen
I am sorry but you traded a big problem for a bigger one. If hydrogen was just expensive then formula e would have been hydrogen.
@@c4fusion1 Formula E not using hydrogen might have something to do with the fact that Formula E regs not only say it has to be a battery but which battery it has to be.
What I mean is either formula e or another race series would have specified the usage of hydrogen if it was clearly superior to batteries right now
well, easy to fix that ... just make the batteries replaceable and switch batteries when they are off charge.
I can see formula E allowing on the fly replacement batteries during pit stops and mazda getting inspired by it in the future adding the option for some kind of racing package where you can just slide in a battery pack for the full electric miata
One thing that went uncovered in this video is tuning, you can't tune your batteries to have more output, and any form of modification to an EV will cost you your pocket and the limb attached to it, which is a real bummer for enthusiasts.
You kind of can, with preconditioning (see Tesla launch), software, and motor swaps, but there's only so much juice to squeeze out of a battery at one time, so I agree with you for the most part.
man will the modification industry die because evs would just one day like iphone cant replace the battery if you want more performance buy a new one
motor swaps will still be a thing. also in theory you could add a super cap bank that you use like NOS.
Just because the humble human brain looks for 1to1 comparison, doesn't mean that mods can't be done. Remember it's the same brain that usually craves to associate and judge stuff for a living. So chill out, consider yourself like the horse breeding enthusiasts from 1800s that panicked when cars appeared.
The DIY EV community is already making replacement controllers to drive the OEM power electronics, mixing drivetrains and batteries from different cars. It's simpler than an aftermarket ECU conversion.
Can we just say it, EVs are not the answer for all applications. And that's OKAY!
but remember:
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I think the 1990 Miata was more like $19,000. I bought one in 1990. Put 122K wonderful fun miles on it.
Mazda just introduced, what is technically a range extended electric SUV for the California market. The drivetrain is completely electric with a smaller battery pack and a rotary engine that drives a generator to charge the battery pack. This is similar to how locomotives work: diesel generating electricity for electric motors. This is not the same as a hybrid where both gas and electric are in the same drive train. They might do something like that. Who knows. But they are good at Zoom Zoom. Meanwhile I will still hold on to my Mazdaspeed Miata.
Why electrify sports cars. Why not not just keep the low volume, low impact vehicles gas powered, or combustion alternatives?
Government mandated.
Makes perfect sense...I wish u were the president
Kei car?
I could see a lightweight low voltage hybrid to aid low end torque but if it goes full EV it’s doomed.
Everyone else: Kilograms
Americans: About 4 baby elephants
Electric means no manual transmission. No manual transmission equals no fun. Buy the good miatas while you can!
well Opel made an E-Manta conzept car and that one had a manual transmission... its not out of the question if in the future sports cars still get transmissions (even tho its more likely to be sequential shift)
I really appreciate metric units on graphics
Electric Miata pros/cons (imo):
+ Will undoubtedly have better acceleration.
+ No transmission means you get immediate torque response whenever you put your foot down.
+ Drive train should be simpler. Can't burn out the clutch if there isn't a clutch.
+ Lower center of gravity means better handling and a safer convertible.
+ AWD version feasible without adding much weight? That would be great for those of us living in snowy climates.
+ You get a frunk which adds a bit more practicality.
+ If Mazda develops a "roller skate" platform for the Miata that works, they can license it to other car companies and make their small sports car line more profitable, which means that small sports cars live on for awhile longer!
+ All the benefits of any EV: charge up overnight in your garage, less greenhouse gas emissions, no intake/exhaust system to worry about, etc.
+ Mazda will be so desperate to get Miata people to buy an EV Miata that they'll have to bring back the popups! Right? Please?!?
+ Less loud.
- Less loud.
- Mazda will have to compromise on weight, range or price. Maybe more than one. Current tech doesn't allow any other reality (though tech is constantly advancing).
- Tuning scene will likely be more limited (though the EV Miata will probably be faster than most tuned Miatas anyway.)
- Maybe it won't even get made?? Engineering a small, inexpensive electric roadster with decent range is going to be daunting and Mazda isn't as big a company as most of its competitors.
- Will probably be too reliable, clean smelling and quiet to be considered a real roadster anymore.
- If it turns out amazing it'll lower the value of my NA Miata.
This is exactly why I wish less companies would be making these pledges to go “fully electric” it’s clear that there will always be a market for combustion cars and I wish more companies would see that and be willing to produce both.
Because regulations will push them anyway. I think low-volume ICE cars will remain, like ultra-high-end Bugatti's and Koenigsegg's, but the rest of the industry will be forced to switch to electric.
Oh boy, it doesn't matter the year, the weight, the color, gas or electric... I just wish I had a Miata (and I didn't even know it before watching Donut).
So now the scene in the movie looper when he uncovers (in his time) a classic miata makes a lot more sense
I"m just happy I was able to buy a nb miata and drive that crazy fun thing around town.. Love that little car.
@@joeking433 The Mazda MX-5 (NB) is the second generation of the Mazda MX-5 manufactured from 1998 to 2005.
11:03 -- No, the cars did not run out of battery at the Valencia ePrix. They exceeded their allowed "usable energy" quotas which had been artificially lowered due to several safety car periods to discourage drivers from just going flat out for the rest of the race. The batteries themselves still had about 50% charge.
12:04 “But everyone knows EVs are coming to racing eventually and they’re not unwelcome”
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Electric cars are good for eliminating fuel cost…the lack of character makes them good for nothing else. A combustion engine with a manual transmission in a car driven for fun will always beat electricity.
To bad 60% of the electricity in the US comes from burning coal.
I’m so excited about everybody going all electric I can’t wait for rolling blackouts in the winter
The full electric thing wont happen anyways.
@@Gl-my8fw Yeah part of me holds out hope that efuels can keep ICE cars around but Im not certain they will.
@@Gl-my8fw yes it is,not it’s just cars. They plan to do away with natural gas in California by 2030 also. so when everyone’s using electric heat and electric air conditioning that alone will give us rolling blackouts you’re around now add all electric cars in the mix…
Better get a fireplace installed in your house lol. Or will those be banned too because the emissions burning wood creates?
@@Billyboy4209 everyone plans to be totally sustainable and, like, we need to save the earth man. But the companies won't exist to do that without a profit, and if noone cares enough or using fossils fuels is cheaper then they will stick with the thing that keeps them being a business.
I own a 99 red base NB Miata, and watching this video makes me want to keep it for as long as possible- I've already put $8k into it and am about to put in another $5k, you'll bet your shift-boots that I'll keep it alive for as long as possible. My biggest qualm with electric cars is the lack of a manual, and with the miata, that's probably the most engaging part of the car.
I have a lot of trust in Mazda, and several DIY projects have proven that a manual will work with an electric engine- Mazda knows that the manual is such an important part of their car. If anyone will attempt it, it will be them- and if they don't, I'll scoop up the closest ND/NE I can find and run for the hills.
Legitimate question, but what's the point of a manual in an EV? I was under the impression that the motors don't even have different gears, since all the torque is available at any speed?
Mazda should consider pushing for E fuels and keeping the ICE
and they should also make a factory V6, I6 or V8 MX-5
*I ABSOLUTELY LOVE* the Mk1 - had many of them, crashed a few ;-/
One of the greatest cars ever made in my opinion - so much fun...
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They are also the gayest cars ever made.
@@seanwilks7712 I mean the car is literally smiling so yeah it’s a pretty “gay” happy car.
You mean an NA?
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Wow, I'm glad I still have my '91. It's a GREAT platform with hardly any nannies. ABS was optional, as was power steering. Both are things I could add/delete with simple bolt-on swaps. Super simple. Cheap and easy to work on. Parts are cheap The engine bay is absolutely cavernous (an LS-swap requires one clearance modification but it's not for the engine - the bell housing on the T56 transmission is what needs the room). The old NA models don't have a ton of electronics to figure out.
Book value for my '91 is around $3k. But I wouldn't sell it at any price. Especially now that they're going full electric in 2030.
F1E needs to develop a rack in rack out batter pack. They could do a quick swap and keep a charged bank waiting like a set of tires.
Exactly what I was thinking!
By 2031 someone will have converted an E-Miata back to combustion with something ridiculous. Looking forward to both.
Swap-able light and small racing batteries. It will be expensive as you need a few, but I think a pitstop for a battery swap or a splash & dash are comparable
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Not far off from what you can do with hobby-grade RC cars. Bonus points they make full scale sports cars that are as easy to modify and swap components as an RC car. Imagine being able to go to Napa and just buy a crate motor that’ll bolt in and immediately give you more power, all plug’n’play. Or being able to fine tune your throttle sensitivity, drag brake, everything a decent hobby-grade control system lets you tweak in the RC world.
Yeah. When that technology actually becomes available in the first place. No one has been able to bring this to production successfully despite many, many attempts.
Also the cost is going to be stupid high, not to mention a huge pain for transportation. You can just fill up gas on the track. Imagine having to haul an extra battery in a truck or something. Horrible.
Pure water doesn't conduct electricity. The minerals in unpurified water do.
The more you know
true - but also not useful for the topic of fighting fires on the track :p
There is a big difference between "electrified" and a full on EV. A mild hybrid system that only has an electric motor to get off the line like Ram's eTorque system is still "electrified", but no where near an EV.
But as James said, hybrids are going to die. They're way too complicated.
@@falcofurious not to mention governments worldwide are saying “no more combustion”
@@falcofurious Not the eTorque system. It is very simple and adds very little weight. It uses a small electric battery and motor that is only used for start/stop and to get the vehicle moving for the first 100 yards or so. A vehicle like the Miata would benefit from added horsepower from an electric motor for better off the line performance.
Watch the video dude. All car manufacturers are going all EV by 2030, wether they want to or not. It will be mandated. The only thing that will save ICE is going to be cleaner emissions. There are some very promising technologies being made by way of fuel and more recently cats.
@@falcofurious I did watch the video and I also read the press release from Mazda. They clearly state "Based on this launch plan, we assum that 100% of our products will have some electrification, and our EV ratio will be 25% by 2030". Again, electrification should not be confused with an electric vehicle because they are not the same. The video is confusing the two.
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Not if you're 1.90 meters tall.
The day that the spirit of the Miata dies, I will die along with it
They can keep on and electrify all the cars they want. Im gonna keep doing fun stuff with engines and see the fuel price drop like cows tail on winter. No brand new car is gonna stop me from fiddling with gasoline engines as those wont run out anytime soon.
"cows tail on winter"... Where are you from? 😂
Gasoline prices will not drop. Oil refining will move more to jet fuel and kerosene and gasoline will become scarce as hens teeth.
@@brianhill4153 Finland
@@mzaite That may also be true. We have to admit that its not just about cars.
@@imbe. as long as someone figures out a way to make things go someone will find a way to make it go fast. I have confidence in that.
They could keep it under 3k lbs, 300mile range and 4.xx 0-60 for 29k out the door with some clever engineering. I’d love to see a 3spd transmission option for an additional 3k it would be handy and keep the driver car feel.
I do think that a transmission could make the car lighter, by increasing its range or top speed by the use of the top gears meaning it wont use as much power, therefore less battery needed, I think?
As someone who owns 3 Miatas, I think full EV is not the way to go. However a “sporty” hybrid system (regenerative braking for example, probably other things I can’t think of) would be pretty beneficial to an already fuel efficient little go kart. My ND2 already averages 36 mpg with mixed driving, imagine a hybrid system making these fun cars even more practical (aside from storage lol)
Was just thinking this the other day; if ev’s have a proper no-frills driver’s car, it’d be easier to stomach for enthusiasts.
As an enthusiast this makes sense. Simplicity in a car can easily make driving fast more fun.
Hey, I didn't know the average baby elephant weighed 300lbs, thanks for sharing
Bought my '90 NA 6 years ago for $2500. I'll be driving it until the wheels fall off. But I'd welcome an E version if it were as fun to drive. I'll hold out on judgement until then.
I love how I only played dirt 5 just to hear these lovely bastards
All this talk about the track is making me excited for an autocross event I'm entering in this weekend lol
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Good luck my dude. Have fun.
Good luck and steer clear of Barry R. If he’s there
You’d need to swap the big heavy batteries out to compete in endurance racing . Charge the 2nd or 3rd battery while the car races . A lot of expense but it’s technically possible
2030: All gas engine's are obsolete!
After years of scavenging for lithium and how ridiculous electric bills will be.
2050: Petro engine's are back in style!
That's optimistic unless we have a huge leap in tech or the GOV decides to let us have small reactors in our cars I don't think its feasible long term and the pollution were going to make just producing and disposing of them yikes focusing on CO2 filtering would be a better use of resources and its all besides the point anyway our cars are not the big problem coff coff China coff coff India
EV prices will sky rocket once the supply of metals will run out. There is no way to put 1.4 Billion EVs on the road, when a typicla battery weighs 700kg.
@@blubb7711 Agreed but you and I both know there is no money or ragebait to be made actually working on real world solutions we are in the era of mediocrity
@@thekingjdd you are absolutely right. We have to stop China and india and also there are other places to save massiv amounts of energy, for example in house heating and insulation.
I charge my electric motorcycle every single day. It's added 6 dollars a month to my electricity bill. Compared to 5 $ a DAY in gas, I'm smiling.
I drove my mother's Miata a few times. I'm 6'4 with size 15 feet. Using the clutch sucked, the pedals are so close together and even giving myself all the space I could I was still knees to chin and head against the ceiling. What a fun car to drive tho.
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I am 6'3.5" and size 13 feet and I fit just fine in my NC Miata! Which one did your Mom own? If it was an NA or NB, I can see why you said that. But, the NC fits me just great and I could instantly feel how much more roomy it was as soon as my first sit in one! Seriously, it has about 1.5 - 3" all around you in every direction! I also don't come close to hitting my head - with the factory hardtop or the soft top. Great Car! :)
I’m 6’4” 250 pounds and I fit in a 2008 Miata. It’s tight but I fit. Long road trip would suck but just ripping around town is a blast. I mostly ride with the top down because when it’s up I must slouch in the seat but mostly for ideal viewing angle when at stop lights.
I’m 6’2” 220#, size 13 boots. I would have bought the retractable hardtop but it simply wasn’t possible for me to fit in the car. I bought a 2022 soft top and love it!
It's basic...keep it the way it is.
Faster is not always better. Fun is always better. That's why the Miata is still here and many others have come and gone.
While I’m not so well versed myself in Formula E as TV coverage in the US is very poor at the moment, I do want to mention that the Valencia E Prix has much more nuance than the way it is mentioned just before the 11:00 minute mark. Of the 24 drivers in the race 5 ended up retiring due to on track racing incidents. This caused FIVE safety cars during this 45 minute race. So you might think, they had to run slowly for a load of time behind the safety car so they must have a bunch of energy to use, but no no no race control makes sure to reduce the amount juice they have left in their batteries (Not really reduce as all the cars that either retired or were disqualified due to battery shortage (there were 7) had enough juice to take it home, but thanks to the formula of Formula E they are only allowed to use a defined portion of this battery, which happens to actually be less than needed to go the distance of the race as regeneration of energy through braking is accounted for ) so thanks to these safety cars and the race control reducing the amount of energy available (it’s important to note that the amount of power reduction is determined case by case on about how long the safety car period was), all of a sudden it becomes much more difficult to time out that energy usage from your limited supply. The calculations are made to see how much the driver can push to use all the power available while not over using the amount in the ever changing formula from the five safety cars. These calculations are done by humans on a chaotic team ultimately, so obviously errors were made in the seven cars unable to finish.
Edit: these seven weren’t the only to miscalculate, several others “ran out” but were able to slow down enough and regenerate adequate energy to be able to finish the race causing, relative to the more common FE race, a huge spread in the finishing field by several minutes.
In reality though the thought of not finishing due to power consumption disqualification is one that occurs quite commonly. It’s simply a part of the strategy of the sport, not because it’s so difficult to make a race car battery that lasts 45 minutes.
Someone smarter than me please help continue this thought, but I think I’m done. :)
PS. Watch Formula E