Its sad to think these guys earn between R7,500 and R15,000 max depending on experience....these guys should be earning R75,000 after tax and receive the best military combat training there is.
If i was a rich man i would do a huge background check on the workers. Than they would do military training. And i would give them the best possible weapons and more than enough ammo. I would also rig there vans with extra defense
I wouldn’t say we are “brave” when I did CIT me as well as most of the guys I worked with just liked the adrenaline rush lol. I do ATM escorts now (guarding the actual guys that repair them) for the same reason. It’s exhilarating to stand out there waiting to potentially be robbed.
Most trucks in the us have the pistol ports welded shut. Once they went to semi autos the guns didn’t fit in the port anymore. Plus armored companies don’t want drivers leaving the seat to try to shoot at people. If your hopper gets held up the procedure is for you to drive off and leave them there.
In Afghanistan they didn't stop attacking convoys even when they where escorted by tanks. Maybe they should start moving money with drones or move away from using cash instead🤔
@@PaletoB UAS could provide a significant advantage for tracking attackers' movements to reacquire what is stolen. The problem is a bird capable of such sustained operation would probably cost too much per hour of flight to even be worth guarding trucks like that. I don't know how much each truck tends to be worth and how much profit is made by CIT's like that so I can't speak like I fully grasp the situation, unfortunately.
@@cpt.awesome7281 here’s a thought for you. The armored companies used to give their guards .38 caliber Taurus revolvers. Some recycled some very well used S&W model 10s and they wouldn’t let you use your own gun. They paid barely above minimum wage and the trucks had all seen better days. These days some companies invested in better pay and better trucks. I think brinks is paying out 14 or 15 an hour. They’ve got all new armored P-1000 or better armored trucks and they issue their guards FN-509 9mm handguns. When I left Dunbar and Loomis they let you carry pretty much anything you wanted provided it was a police grade caliber ( 9mm .40 S&W 45 ACP ) I personally had an HK USP 9mm I carried with 5 extra mags. I had a .380 ankle gun, and when I had a big coat on I wanted a serbu super shorty but they wouldn’t let me have that on duty.
Such a dangerous job! Pray that somehow they improve the trucks to withstand explosions i know wishful thinking but my heart really goes out to all these guys in this industry. Pray also every day they are watched over by Our Father may He keep them safe always 🙏
Everyone got ideas of what they need to do. But it's simple. These guys obviously don't just target any cit hoping it's gonna be carrying a big score like somekind of lucky packet. They need to do what needs to be done everywhere in the damn country. From the justice system to the power and water utilities from the police force to the municipalities and the government. And everywhere in between. They need to stop being fucken corrupt. Corruption is not only the thing that has brought south Africa down to just another African country. It affects the entire continent. Everybody knows it. But nobody really gets it. It literally all corruption.
As security officers we are taken for losers who could not make it at school,we serve with diligence and determination yet when it comes to earnings..well its but not worth celebrating!Our bosses make out a lot out of us.
Yes they company can add additional escorts as well but they higher salary will also help cushion the impact on their families in the event of the worst happening. No one said the money will make them bulletproof. It will just ease their minds a bit
Here we go again no money is good enough but they real fingers is friends, family, neighbors, acquaintances and witnesses who either stand to benefit, scared because they not the victims or will pinpoint someone who is not close to them. Thugs are not space residents and we know everything and every single one of them. So why not save all lives and blow the whistle while they planning such acts before lives are ended You know they don't have a job most of them yet you accept their money, gifts, jobs and everything. So stop posting fingers to public officials when you got one in your house, neighbor, job, school and everywhere We fail ourselves then blame government and politicians for the thugs we groom. The government does not give birth to children they help curb the crime but we as society can cut it from the tail. Don't point others as thugs and turning a blind eye on your own
(Why does RUclips leave the thumbs down button if it does nothing?) In the latest census, almost 80% of South Africans professed to be Christian...I fail to see how religion is the only hope. What must they do for Jesus to save them? Should we force all criminals to become Christians? Many of them are, but are driven into crime by circumstances beyond their control. Bad as their crimes are -and I do believe in the death penalty -you rhetoric just simply does not make sense. If your answer is that Jesus will save everyone because he holds all the power, then why did he allow things to deteriorate like this in the first place? If your answer is that he allowed it because people do not pray enough...80% of a 58m population is 46,6m: That's how many Christians are already praying to Jesus. Or is there a specific person that should start praying? Does Jesus allow the suffering of all -despite the prayers of 46,6m -just because a select few are not praying hard enough. Please explain your statement, because to me it simply does not make sense.
It's ridiculous that the state can provide a useless public servant with all the protection but can't do the same for public who have to put their lives on the line.
@@krispy._kay The criminals will also loose their jobs no more bombs and weapons, the job is too risky lets create new jobs for them where they won't put their life's at risk
They need to drive in convoys and setup perimeters for this shit, 2 dudes with pistols isn't gonna stop anything... Maybe decoy bags with explosive to be set off remotely, hidden with the cash. Detonate if robbers are back in their cars to eliminate them, or if they are not around friendlies or pedestrians...
I was robbed at gunpoint in San Francisco, my wallet was empty but I chunked it at his chest. It fell on the ground and I bolted into a dark area and crawled under a bush. The dude came looking for me in his car. By then someone was yelling for police, he drove away fast. It was just instinct. I knew he would shoot me if I just stood there. The police caught him just minutes later, with a loaded 38.
Problem is with our government, easy to threaten law abiding people when it comes to a national lock down and then think you have done well. Stop the crime as all South Africans are suffering.
So basically you need military grade weapons and vehicles oh and have some sort of combat training like Special Forces or army Rangers to do this job, got it. 👍
Mainly mining explosives and experience. It is quite easy to syphon explosives from mining operations, even though this is supposed to be heavy regulated.
A lot of "artisanal" miners in Zimbabwe get poorly regulated access to explosives. These are mostly ZANU guys. Some very senior officials will even use their diplomatic immunity for smuggling purposes
If I owned the company, every van would have a tail.. trailing the CIT..in that way,as soon as the robbery starts the trailer can ram and or shoot at the thugs.
@@bryanhurd9955 not really. The fuel costs are crazy and only sometimes it can be justified. But the small amount filling ATMs etc will always have to be on the ground. Even if they land near the ATM they'll get robbed at it. Helicopters are used for gold and diamond transportation from the mines. And the companies dont really care about the loss of life so much.
If we all benefited from the money inside those trucks am sure there would be no/less heists. Government's shortcomings give an opening to such brutal acts! Those guys in uniforms should be celebrated for our convenience not shot at like animals!!
The problem will always be the same The robbers even if they are caught will be granted bail They show no humanity when planning n committing yhius crime yet they are shown mercy in court NOT FAIR ARMED ROBBERY N THEIR INTENT TO KILL DESERVE THE SAME CHANGE THE LAW IN S A
Put a turret with twin 50 caliber fully automatic machine guns on the roof. Then ensure that anyone who is stupid or greedy enough to go after these CIT trucks goes home in a hearse.
It does not work. At the stage the truck realise it is under attack it lies on its side allready. Some places our highways have 5 to 6 lanes with bumper to bumper traffic. When the fight starts nobody on that highway is prepared to gamble with his/her life - outcome? Thieves win because they surprised their target vehichle and there are about 15 to 20 of them with AK's.
My friend you are close to the way Jesus used to pray,just complete the action and prostrate with your head on the ground,you will then be in the closest position to GOD
Said insurance costs more and more with each robbery. Insurance isn't a cornucopia of money, it's the manifestation of a risk pool. We Americans rarely have this kind of nonsense. So far.
solution IS POSSIBLE, South Africa must go Cashless would stop the following: 1. cash in-transit heist 2. money laundry 3. Drugs money. 4. selling car-jacking cars. In Sweden cash in-transit crimes is zero percent. money laundry is traceable. Drugs money traceable and car jacking money traceable. crime in south Africa will drop. see Sweden as an example.
allo.in 3/4 different attempt to rubber,used rpg and barrett .50 cal.My Godness.but the van incredible still safe just wheel is damage.but the helicopter save the life for burn the van.really really lucky.
protecting your money with my life?her in philippines armoured has a small salary pay,if the qoute is true maybe the salary herat philippines be given a fair salary.for me risking your life for others money?its no big joke buy AGENCY ARMORED HERAT PHILIPPINES PAY LESS THE SERVICE YOU PROVIDE.
These CIT security personnel should be armed with SBWs not those full sized shotguns. You can see in the Leo Prinsloo attempted heist that M4 was cumbersome inside the truck. Uzis, MP7s, MP4s, Tavors, Kriss Vectors or the Street Sweeper shotgun what happened to those magnificent SA made shotguns?
Its sad to think these guys earn between R7,500 and R15,000 max depending on experience....these guys should be earning R75,000 after tax and receive the best military combat training there is.
If i was a rich man i would do a huge background check on the workers. Than they would do military training. And i would give them the best possible weapons and more than enough ammo. I would also rig there vans with extra defense
@@frikkiesmit2695 what about their salaries...sound like you only worried about protecting the money in the van
@@AndrewSmith-sy7ws the salaries also. Im actually thinking of their lives boet. I have a friend who does this dangerous job
You wish
@@sabelotyumbu3290 ok and?
These vehicles should be military grade so they can shoot from inside without exposing their bodies
This could be avoided with electronic payments
@@JeffLewis7 What about ATM cash? And cash reserves at local bank branches?
@@JeffLewis7 but these guys were carrying mobile phones not money
@@anomalyNC why what?
That could aggravate pre-road/in-premise attacks. Crossfire risks increase greatly.
The recent video of the failed heist has shown us first hand the courage and skill of these brave people.
It’s their jobs not a requirement.
I wouldn’t say we are “brave” when I did CIT me as well as most of the guys I worked with just liked the adrenaline rush lol. I do ATM escorts now (guarding the actual guys that repair them) for the same reason. It’s exhilarating to stand out there waiting to potentially be robbed.
@@carryeveryday910 Who runs the underworld in South Africa? Serious organized crime syndicates there??
@@volk779 Yes.
@@tq6892 you have some examples?
These men will never earn what they should. So much respect for them.
Who's here after the infamous CIT failed heist?
Massive respect to CIT guys 🙏
Stay safe out there brothers may God be with you guys always
Who's here after the Jason bourne failed transit
you mean Mr.Smith from Matrix showing some badass driving skills?
@@ParaAkula and mr anderson next to him learning the ropes
Yo...
Why don't you respect them and use their real names?
@@earlwright9715 why dont you respect god and use his real name??
Good luck to my south African brothers from the Netherlands
They literally need guns built into the doors so they can fire from the truck without exposing themselves
Most trucks in the us have the pistol ports welded shut. Once they went to semi autos the guns didn’t fit in the port anymore. Plus armored companies don’t want drivers leaving the seat to try to shoot at people. If your hopper gets held up the procedure is for you to drive off and leave them there.
In Afghanistan they didn't stop attacking convoys even when they where escorted by tanks.
Maybe they should start moving money with drones or move away from using cash instead🤔
@@PaletoB UAS could provide a significant advantage for tracking attackers' movements to reacquire what is stolen. The problem is a bird capable of such sustained operation would probably cost too much per hour of flight to even be worth guarding trucks like that.
I don't know how much each truck tends to be worth and how much profit is made by CIT's like that so I can't speak like I fully grasp the situation, unfortunately.
That’s what a few agencies are thinking of doing.
@@cpt.awesome7281 here’s a thought for you. The armored companies used to give their guards .38 caliber Taurus revolvers. Some recycled some very well used S&W model 10s and they wouldn’t let you use your own gun. They paid barely above minimum wage and the trucks had all seen better days. These days some companies invested in better pay and better trucks. I think brinks is paying out 14 or 15 an hour. They’ve got all new armored P-1000 or better armored trucks and they issue their guards FN-509 9mm handguns. When I left Dunbar and Loomis they let you carry pretty much anything you wanted provided it was a police grade caliber ( 9mm .40 S&W 45 ACP ) I personally had an HK USP 9mm I carried with 5 extra mags. I had a .380 ankle gun, and when I had a big coat on I wanted a serbu super shorty but they wouldn’t let me have that on duty.
This hit so close to home when he said I have a wife and children
Everything must hit close to home for you then
You men are the real hero's, stay safe.
Wow.. This job require 100% focus all the time always.. You can't let your guard down.. Stay safe ✌️
These businesses must pay these guys more . They deserve much more , putting their lifes at risk everyday and full medical.
Nah. Until recently the big companies in North America paid guys anywhere from $10-$15 a hour. Only recently has it gone up.
Sad part is that people inside the company sell their colleagues out by giving information to these murderers.
Ash yah
Yeah nd no 1 seem to touch on that 1
The result of a country managed by a corrupt police system , corrupt government and ruling party
And on top of that you are paid as cheap labor and undermined.
Exactly mnxm I was doing this job earning less than R20 000
@@siyabongachili94 hawwwu ngampela😢
@@siphiwemahlangu3008 R12 000 basic
Phillip Shaw, this man saved his colleague life.
A year back when I was still working at Total Orange Farm.
I hope these guys get paid well. This has to be one of the most terrifying jobs out there.
They don't get paid well, but they should.
$1000 -$1500 a MONTH tops!
Yes...b real
These guys are way underpaid for what they do. Even police officers get more than they do
When he said I have a wife and a daughter. 😥
A lot, of people who put their life on the line, daily, for their job, have family.
What,, ya think the dangerous jobs are only done by bachelors?
You guys deserve more protection
Such a dangerous job! Pray that somehow they improve the trucks to withstand explosions i know wishful thinking but my heart really goes out to all these guys in this industry. Pray also every day they are watched over by Our Father may He keep them safe always 🙏
Need to run more Empty-In-Transit. Keep them guessing. Bait a few traps.
I would imagine that they do just crooked mfrs on the inside
Everyone got ideas of what they need to do. But it's simple. These guys obviously don't just target any cit hoping it's gonna be carrying a big score like somekind of lucky packet.
They need to do what needs to be done everywhere in the damn country. From the justice system to the power and water utilities from the police force to the municipalities and the government. And everywhere in between. They need to stop being fucken corrupt. Corruption is not only the thing that has brought south Africa down to just another African country. It affects the entire continent.
Everybody knows it. But nobody really gets it. It literally all corruption.
As security officers we are taken for losers who could not make it at school,we serve with diligence and determination yet when it comes to earnings..well its but not worth celebrating!Our bosses make out a lot out of us.
Exactly - and the people who are directors get fat on your hard work
Ask me I know I worked with such companies
Disgusting
That is the most scary job waking up everyday and don't know if youl come home again
The hardest job 😔.. they should be earning R35000 a month
Hows the amount of money gonna make them safer? The company might as well then invest that money in escorts.
Way more than 35k
Yes they company can add additional escorts as well but they higher salary will also help cushion the impact on their families in the event of the worst happening. No one said the money will make them bulletproof. It will just ease their minds a bit
Risky job for sure
@MrLoveOneAnother we send prayer to CIT gards
Unfortunately vans aren't fully armored to save weigh and money, unfortunately most "armored" cabs are no match to a ak47
It's very sad that people whose lives are at risk they get paid peanuts...This is very sad!!!
A lot of very brave men ...may God walk with you every day.
God Be With You Philip and Dirk aswell as your colleagues everyday 🙏
Their payment is a big abuse to this guy's and their families!! their life is on risky all the time 😠😠🖤✊
Here we go again no money is good enough but they real fingers is friends, family, neighbors, acquaintances and witnesses who either stand to benefit, scared because they not the victims or will pinpoint someone who is not close to them. Thugs are not space residents and we know everything and every single one of them. So why not save all lives and blow the whistle while they planning such acts before lives are ended You know they don't have a job most of them yet you accept their money, gifts, jobs and everything. So stop posting fingers to public officials when you got one in your house, neighbor, job, school and everywhere We fail ourselves then blame government and politicians for the thugs we groom. The government does not give birth to children they help curb the crime but we as society can cut it from the tail. Don't point others as thugs and turning a blind eye on your own
Uizijxj ii7ciuu
This job is not worth it
We will pray for you guys💛
There's no hope for SA . Only through Jesus Christ!
(Why does RUclips leave the thumbs down button if it does nothing?) In the latest census, almost 80% of South Africans professed to be Christian...I fail to see how religion is the only hope. What must they do for Jesus to save them? Should we force all criminals to become Christians? Many of them are, but are driven into crime by circumstances beyond their control. Bad as their crimes are -and I do believe in the death penalty -you rhetoric just simply does not make sense. If your answer is that Jesus will save everyone because he holds all the power, then why did he allow things to deteriorate like this in the first place? If your answer is that he allowed it because people do not pray enough...80% of a 58m population is 46,6m: That's how many Christians are already praying to Jesus. Or is there a specific person that should start praying? Does Jesus allow the suffering of all -despite the prayers of 46,6m -just because a select few are not praying hard enough. Please explain your statement, because to me it simply does not make sense.
@@jay2bnvd link up with me I'd like to have a chat with you about it
These guys should be escorted always with 1 tank, 1 chopper, assault team and 5 wild dogs. 🙄
Agree, but l reckon 6 dogs.
@@noelreilly8860 and why is that?
The promised land of the ANC
You guys make ZA a better and safer place
May God's Protection always be with all of you guys 🙏
It's ridiculous that the state can provide a useless public servant with all the protection but can't do the same for public who have to put their lives on the line.
This was humbling. When the cash van shows up I duck out.
The only solution is to go cashless everything digital with sophisticated security systems.
Bad idea buddy , cashless is a trap for you and me
Are you willing to chipped ?
Then they lose their jobs
@@krispy._kay The criminals will also loose their jobs no more bombs and weapons, the job is too risky lets create new jobs for them where they won't put their life's at risk
@@Saida561 that's better
They need to drive in convoys and setup perimeters for this shit, 2 dudes with pistols isn't gonna stop anything...
Maybe decoy bags with explosive to be set off remotely, hidden with the cash. Detonate if robbers are back in their cars to eliminate them, or if they are not around friendlies or pedestrians...
Wonder if they will show us Josh and Robbie
Nahhh.... I want Josh and Robbie to be anonymous. They appear, the blood spills and then they go away.
These robbers must realize...what goes around, will come around. They are worthless spineless people that wants it easy, work is not an option.
I was robbed at gunpoint in San Francisco, my wallet was empty but I chunked it at his chest. It fell on the ground and I bolted into a dark area and crawled under a bush. The dude came looking for me in his car. By then someone was yelling for police, he drove away fast.
It was just instinct. I knew he would shoot me if I just stood there.
The police caught him just minutes later, with a loaded 38.
Im with the CIT's all the way.
So why isn’t the world moving to a cashless economy. It will eliminate having risky jobs like this.
@x vate ok fool
@x vate oh fool
God Bless Them All
These guys are the heros of South Africa i salute them and they need enforcement from Army
Problem is with our government, easy to threaten law abiding people when it comes to a national lock down and then think you have done well. Stop the crime as all South Africans are suffering.
So basically you need military grade weapons and vehicles oh and have some sort of combat training like Special Forces or army Rangers to do this job, got it. 👍
And a pair of big steel balls
Be safe out there guys, don’t believe in violence but I also believe in protecting your self period
that work takes a toll on you emotionally and physically. What explosives are these guys using? they must be getting the knowledge from ex-military
Mainly mining explosives and experience. It is quite easy to syphon explosives from mining operations, even though this is supposed to be heavy regulated.
A lot of "artisanal" miners in Zimbabwe get poorly regulated access to explosives. These are mostly ZANU guys. Some very senior officials will even use their diplomatic immunity for smuggling purposes
Dynamite easy to get in Zimbabwe 😆😆
Was hoping to see Robbie and Josh in this.
It so sad when it say protect your money with my life😭😭😭😭
I used to work for the company supplying the cash counting machine in the video. It was risky business. Yiu need a police clearance every few months
If I owned the company, every van would have a tail.. trailing the CIT..in that way,as soon as the robbery starts the trailer can ram and or shoot at the thugs.
I'd be hiring raiders to find the attacks, kill them in their sleep and burn down their homes.
I'm from Appalachia.... that's how we roll.
Deliver the cash to banks by helicopter,construct a flat roof on the bank,a lot safer and cheaper than what is done now
HELIPAD ON TOP..
Yeah but what about ATMs and helis are expensive.
I thought the same thing but then I figured they'll take the helicopter down, and cause even severe damage.
@@uraninite8151 Talking about CIT helicopter far cheaper than what is stolen,and loss of life
@@bryanhurd9955 not really. The fuel costs are crazy and only sometimes it can be justified. But the small amount filling ATMs etc will always have to be on the ground. Even if they land near the ATM they'll get robbed at it. Helicopters are used for gold and diamond transportation from the mines. And the companies dont really care about the loss of life so much.
I’ll never test God with this kinda job ever Ey what a risk 😭
I don't think they could pay me enough to do that job *in South Africa*
this is where subtitles are needed
I was employed and payed grade C basic
And I must hold a fire arm after all that
Do you only have grade c do you have competency
I hate how the crime in this country is putting other people's lives at risk.
They don't get the respect they deserve and putting their lives on the line
What's the government doing to stop this crime in our country? 2:08
Unbelievable. But True...
If we all benefited from the money inside those trucks am sure there would be no/less heists.
Government's shortcomings give an opening to such brutal acts! Those guys in uniforms should be celebrated for our convenience not shot at like animals!!
This is one very difficult job you can ever get. You don't even know if you will return from work on that day. I take out my hat for these guys.
Cash in transit Guards should wear head bullet proof.
That should be part of their personal protective equipment like their vest bullet proof.
Wear head bullet proof
Yes ballistic helmets
Salute Con rates 👌👌👌👌
"Stand and deliver: your money or my life."
The problem will always be the same The robbers even if they are caught will be granted bail They show no humanity when planning n committing yhius crime yet they are shown mercy in court NOT FAIR ARMED ROBBERY N THEIR INTENT TO KILL DESERVE THE SAME CHANGE THE LAW IN S A
This is tragic,greedyness of money
Put a turret with twin 50 caliber fully automatic machine guns on the roof. Then ensure that anyone who is stupid or greedy enough to go after these CIT trucks goes home in a hearse.
It does not work. At the stage the truck realise it is under attack it lies on its side allready. Some places our highways have 5 to 6 lanes with bumper to bumper traffic. When the fight starts nobody on that highway is prepared to gamble with his/her life - outcome? Thieves win because they surprised their target vehichle and there are about 15 to 20 of them with AK's.
I wonder what the casualties of the robbers and the guards are like every year?
We should go cashless 90% of the time. Cash should not be used as method of payment
what a hell hole of a place to live
Why is there no plunger?
My friend you are close to the way Jesus used to pray,just complete the action and prostrate with your head on the ground,you will then be in the closest position to GOD
South Africa should quickly move to a cashless economy
Hope S.A finds a solution to all these rising CIT attacks... It's sad that nowadays someone can take a life either for a cellphone, car or CIT...
It ain't my money. It's the bank's. And they have insurance on it...
Said insurance costs more and more with each robbery. Insurance isn't a cornucopia of money, it's the manifestation of a risk pool.
We Americans rarely have this kind of nonsense. So far.
@@jamallabarge2665 Yeah. We Europeans don't have it either. So far ;)
My dream Job... I am hoping to get into CIT by next year, SBV.
You need to be a warrior. If it's your dream job then I'm sure you are.
Managed to get in boed?
South Africa should seriously limit the use of cash
solution IS POSSIBLE, South Africa must go Cashless would stop the following: 1. cash in-transit heist 2. money laundry 3. Drugs money. 4. selling car-jacking cars. In Sweden cash in-transit crimes is zero percent. money laundry is traceable. Drugs money traceable and car jacking money traceable. crime in south Africa will drop. see Sweden as an example.
Is there not any way the cash can be delivered?
Drones?
Where do I apply ?
That shit wouldn't had happened in the old south africa
And on the end of the day , that secretary offersers lost there jobs, i was a driver for G4S. Dont even help to go to CCMA.
Why don't they airlift the money instead having to go through all that dangerous shit 😒
Or bitcoin...
allo.in 3/4 different attempt to rubber,used rpg and barrett .50 cal.My Godness.but the van incredible still safe just wheel is damage.but the helicopter save the life for burn the van.really really lucky.
Risky kind of job but one has to do it anyway
I'm gonna be one soon. Done with all my trainings
What I like about Mr Erasmus he's giving his guys inough fire power
One of the worst and dangerous jobs in South Africa 😱
District 9
protecting your money with my life?her in philippines armoured has a small salary pay,if the qoute is true maybe the salary herat philippines be given a fair salary.for me risking your life for others money?its no big joke buy AGENCY ARMORED HERAT PHILIPPINES PAY LESS THE SERVICE YOU PROVIDE.
It's hard every day
The punishment that we got in SA is very weak for criminals that's why we cant stop them.
These CIT security personnel should be armed with SBWs not those full sized shotguns. You can see in the Leo Prinsloo attempted heist that M4 was cumbersome inside the truck. Uzis, MP7s, MP4s, Tavors, Kriss Vectors or the Street Sweeper shotgun what happened to those magnificent SA made shotguns?