This one is here! The one every one has warned me about! Not great but not horrible just meh. Some really good moments as well as just some boring parts and messy sections. Overall, still enjoyable, just sub par to everything else before it. Excited for 6!!! Thanks for watching! Have a great day! :)
I think you're really gonna love the music score in Star Trek 6... It was composed by a relatively unknown composer in his early 20s at the time, and it really stands up - even against the great heights Jerry Goldsmith and James Horner reached in earlier films.
Production was hurt by a writer's strike in pre-production (which Paramount rushed), a teamster's strike at the start of principle photography, issues with weather requiring reshoots of many of the location shots in Yosemite... the fact that Shatner managed to get a watchable movie out is a small miracle of it's own.
First of all don't listen to the critics. You make your own decision, personally I've been a Star Trek fan my entire life and I have lots of fun memories watching Star Trek 5 when I was young. And as recently as 3 months ago. I still enjoy the heck out of it.
This was the last really good movie with the original cast for me. 6 for me is the worst for many reasons including the characters being written incredibly out character. For the record, my favourite Star Trek Original Cast movies are the first and fifth, I find Nicholas Meyer's two movies incredibly overrated.
Star Trek IV was a fine farewell to the cast. I wish it had ended there. If i could keep the 2-3-4 trilogy, i would gladly jettison 1, 5, 6, all the TNG movies, all the Abrams and Kurtzman Trek stuff... for just one more season of either TOS or Enterprise.
The scene where Sulu and Checkov had gotten themselves lost is kinda ironic considering their roles aboard the Enterprise as helmsman and navigator respectively, thus the reason why Uhura told them, "Your Secrets Safe With Me"
@@noneya3635 George Takei continued to play the character of Sulu as a straight character, despite the fact that the fact that Takei himself is gay Largely due to the fact the homophobia was way more rampant back in the 60's when Takei originally wanted to have Sulu being established as a gay character, which wouldn't happen until J.J. Abrams rebooted the franchise
@@karlsmith2570George Takei didn’t want the character of Sulu to be gay in the 60s. It would hardly have been accepted at the time and he didn’t even come out as gay until the 90s.
@@richardvinsen2385 there's a trekculture video that made reference to George Takei disliking how J.J. Abrams had Sulu being a gay character in the 3rd entry of his rebooted version of Star Trek where they'd said that Takei had initially wanted to reveal Sulu as being gay during the original series, but, the homophobia issues were far less accepted in the 60's than they are now
What does God need with a starship? Great reaction! While V isn’t the best I have warmed up to it over time. I love the scene about pain with Kirk. You are going to really enjoy Star Trek VI. A fitting conclusion to the original trek.
"Go Spock. I'll buy your record." Be careful what you wish for. Look up Nimoy's discography sometime. A generous reviewer ranked his singing as "somewhat melodic".
The Final Frontier's biggest problem was that ILM wasn't available for the effects and miniature work. Jerry Goldsmith is on point for the soundtrack though. Oh, the probe was Pioneer 10. The bit of music near the end is called "A Busy Man" and is one of the best pieces Goldsmith wrote for the films (along with "The Ba'Ku Village" from Insurrection)
They were available but it would have been like the C or D team. For the prices charged by ILM the producers felt they could get better value for money elsewhere. A big mistake.
The Hollywood special effects studios had a very busy year in 1989... "Back to the Future II" and "Honey I Shrunk the Kids" among others were heavy on the visual effects.
The lack of ILM was absolutely NOT the biggest problem the movie had. Amazing VFX would not have fixed the terrible script, the cheesy overly-sentimental writing, the cringe jokes, the feeble old men trying to be action stars....There was no saving this movie other than Shatner not writing and directing it. This should have been a Meyer-Nimoy event all the way, and it should have done what the previous films did...understand that this cast are old people.
"I lost a brother once..." -- Kirk This is such a horrifically tone-deaf line, because Kirk DID lose his brother in the original series -- Samuel Kirk, who is now a character in the prequel series "Strange New Worlds" played by Dan Jeannotte. The character was killed by flying parasites in the orgiinal series episode "Operation - Annihilate!"
I never saw it as a flub. I viewed it assuming Kirk would say it thinking Bones and Spock would be thinking he meant Sam but in fact he meant to imply Spock was his brother-by-choice
@@MsAlexisPiazza That doesn't make it better. "I had a brother once... Oh, you thought I was talking about that nerd Sam? Naaah, he's still dead. Lolz!!!"
"I've always wanted to play to a captive audience..." RIP Nichelle you goddess. ST5 is definitely how you described, but Kirk's line talking about needing his pain is one of the best lines in all Trek IMO.
"I lost a brother once. I was lucky I got him back." Yeah... so, Jimmy, do you remember your **ACTUAL** brother who was killed in the TOS episode "Operation Annihilate" ? I guess not.
Hey Ollie, Fun Fact about that scene where Uhura was doing that dance as a distraction Nichelle Nichols hated that scene because as it was originally pitched to her, that she was of the impression that the song you heard was going to be sung by Nichols herself, which Nichelle was looking forward to doing, but in the 11th hour the production decided to have the musical accompaniment be performed by the group Hiroshima
@@this.is.a.username Of course she wasn't. I never said she was. What she was, was a woman with her own autonomy who was put into a horribly misogynistic sex-like scene by a narcissistic self-important director who was also the lead actor of the movie who is well-known to not have gotten along well with his castmates.
This movie came out in 1989. Star Trek: The Next Generation series premiered in 1987. The Next Generation (TNG) series is supposed to take place about 75 years after the time of Kirk. You can start seeing some changes to the set design in this movie that kind of start matching with TNG. During this time though, The Next Generation series wasn't really taken seriously by the fans. It wasn't until the 3rd season that it started to get a following with better story writing and a better quality production. Star Trek 6, which came out in 1991, you'll start seeing small deliberate tie-ins to TNG series.
Yup, after two lackluster seasons, TNG finally came together in the third season. But it was that third-season finale that put the show back in the pop culture conversation and that success paved the way for everything else that followed with this franchise.
So yeah, not the best one, but it still touches the heart with spending time with friends. And yes, a wasted story with Spocks brother, that could have really been something bigger and better. I saw this at the drive in with my brother, so it will always be a special one just for that.
I think this film is woefully underrated. It definitely feels a little "off" tonally compared to the others, but the story is actually pretty inventive and Sybok is actually one of my favorite characters. Very nuanced, and I hope his earlier years get explored more in the newer prequel shows.
Never disliked this movie and while it can be argued that it is the weakest TOS-Film, it has enough going for it to be worthwhile. It has *heart*. It still tries to give the Fans a Story that is in the spirit of Trek. It may fall a bit short but good intentions and ambition counts a lot for me. Also: - David Warner played the Human Ambassador. He was in a bunch of movies (including *several* appearances in Star Trek, including the next one as a different character). Sadly, Warner passed away recently. - Actually, STV had a higher budget than the previous movie. And the generally low quality of the effects was not because of not enough money but because the Effects Company they hired was not up to the task.
You reaction was perfect. The studio, William Shatner, even Gene Roddenberry, had so many issues and rewrites for this film. I also happened during a writers strike at the time so there was a hard hold just from that. Gene didn't like the whole idea and thought it was too similar to The Motion Picture. Lastly, the budget was cut taking what was to be 6 angels/demons on the planet to one and the budget can be seen throughout the film as just not being there. I absolutely agree with your take on the quiet moments with the three of them. Those were moments, you'd watch and be like....god....what I would give for lasting friendships like those as I get older.....
Star Trek V is like a episode from the original series. If they can do a special edition of this movie and fix some of the editing and the sfx issues I think it would be a much stronger movie.
I’m sure many others have said this but when it comes to Star Trek first contact you have some homework ( it’s got backstory like wrath of khan) so I’d recommend watching, Q Who and best of both worlds pt1&2 it’ll give you more insight and appreciation also they’re safe to watch before generations if you want to familiarise yourself with the new crew ( TNG was actually on air when a lot of the TOS films were in cinemas) love seeing the reactions you’re doing a great job!
The shot of Kirk climbing was shot in an observation point lot with a mock slab of the El Capitan rock face. If you look carefully in the background you can actually see the real El Capitan.
I have heard that Shatner's vision was too much for the budget and it all had to be toned down. 'Because it is there' was apparently said by George Mallory, who died on his third attempt to climb Everest. This one was a bit disappointing, after the glory of The Voyage Home. But it does have its good points. The sheer misery of that line: * Sybok : I thought weapons were forbidden on this planet. Besides, I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'Onn : It's all I have. * "What does God need with a starship?" * Sybok striding towards the creature: "I couldn't help but notice your pain." * The late David Warner as the Earth ambassador - not a huge part, but he would go on to play a much more important role in Star Trek: The Next Generation. And then he was in Doctor Who, ticking off two of the big sci-fi franchises! and there's the thought we're left with, who exactly imprisoned the false God in that place? "Go Spock, I'd buy your album." Leonard Nimoy actually released five albums. William Shatner too. As far as I can see, DeForest Kelley spared us his musical stylings through his long career. Off to Amazon! Some good comments at the end there, about the missed opportunities.
Even if they had the budget for "Shatner's Vision" to be realized, it would have still been a terrible movie. Most of what made this movie bad had nothing to do with the things Shatner couldn't finish correctly. The humor is super cheesy, watching these old men try to be action stars, the whole "center of the galaxy" thing, making the secondary cast members who we loved for 25 years be so easily manipulated into a cult...there's just soooo much to hate.
I gave V a 7/10 on IMDb. This movie has a flavor of an episode more than a big screen adventure to me. I certainly appreciated the handicaps the studio gave Shatner to deal with and considering those, appreciate the final product.
When my rather religious parents introduced me to this film…they actually pointed out some scripture references in Revelation” which claim that Satan would be imprisoned within a pit, during which time humanity would know over a thousand years of peace… So the theory is that this supernatural being would have actually been lucifer, the barrier was his prison, and the peace known since humanity came together and it’s involvement in the federation… Further, the deceptive nature of his changing appearance, and comment at 26:40 “an eternity ive been imprisoned in this place” Again, it’s one of those “there’s enough references and notions that would allow a theory to fit, but nothing confirmed concrete in canon”
5 definitely has its issues but I still love it. The story while under written and under developed is VERY classic Trek and the focus on the Kirk Spock McCoy relationship is terrific. Plus a gorgeous Goldsmith score. If only they'd worked on the script more and had better fx.
I seem to recall the comic book adaption or the novelization had a line that was probably cut from the film. Near the end when Kirk says "Cosmic thoughts, gentleman?", Bones says something like: "Perhaps the Great Barrier wasn't designed to keep us out, but to keep that thing in. Wouldn't that imply the existence of a greater power? Maybe not God as we know it, but something else we haven't thought of?"...
While Star Trek V is certainly at the bottom of my list it does have some jewels of moments including the campfire scene and most of the music. The sets were pretty good it just needed some tightening of the editing
5 draws alot from TOS the big three banter and interactions, the story from Who Mourns for Adonis and Catspaw, it's got a lot going for it but ultimately it never becomes cohesive
29:23. He lost a brother for real: George Samuel Kirk, in the episode "Operation: Annihilate!" of the Original Series. This is a weird way to pay tribute for both George and Spock.
David Warner, the Terran in the Paradis City, was a horror movie icon in the 70s and 80s and appeared From Beyond the Grave the original Omen and the 1979 Time Machine remake in which he played Jack the Ripper being chased by H. G. Wells (played Malcolm McDowell from Rob Zombie'sHalloween). Warner also played a Klingon in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.
Shatner got the director nod on this one because he was supposed to direct an episode durig the Original Series; it would have been the one after the last episode, had the series continued.
People love to hate on Star Trek V, but it does offer some of the best Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamics and a multi-dimensional anatgonist who does more than twirl their mustache. The effects are a bit wonky, but the core story manages to hold up over time.
I really like Star Trek V, in part, because of the story idea and characterizations it promoted. The greatest problem with the film is that Paramount kept changing its budget while it was being made, taking more and more of its money away, leaving Shatner unable to film it properly. So much is done on the cheap and its execution suffered.
Hey Ollie, a few Fun Facts for you: David Warner, who plays the Federation Diplomat St John Talbot & Charles Cooper, who plays the Klingon Diplomat General Korrd would appear in other Star Trek formats, Cooper would appear in 2 episodes of TNG as another Klingon character named K'Mpec, the first of which is the episode "Sins Of The Father" and Warner's would be in Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country as the Klingon Character of Gorkon Chancellor of the Klingon High Council and would also appear in the TNG two-part episode "Chain Of Command" as the Carddassian character of Gul Medred The Romulan Diplomat was Cynthia Gow who appeared on the competition show "Star Search" hosted by Ed McMahon as a contestant for the spokesmodel title
Great reaction dude ...✌️ Star Trek V had a very troublesome & tumultuous production behind-the-scenes, and to give William Shatner some credit as director he did manage to a make a decent film from it all (despite the many many production problems the film had, that a lesser experienced director would have made the film surely bomb at the box office...Star Trek V was successful as far as profits go but nowhere as successful as several of the previous entries in terms of box office numbers). Star Trek V is on par with the original TV series (also taking some inspiration from several episodes) and it is always nice to see the interaction between the cast...someday I hope that Paramount will allow William Shatner to re-edit and re-vamp (in terms of effects) Star Trek V to give everyone the director's cut that many (including Shatner himself) wants. ..come on Paramount the guy is in his 90s, let him do it before he passes on. Like everyone else says, Star Trek VI is a good film to wrap up the movies series with the original cast on a very positive send off. "Live Long & Prosper" 🖖
Lawrence Luckinbill is a great actor and he did a great job on a pretty interesting villain. Much of the story and the script was not ready. The elevator scene? so ridiculous. Vulcan princess?? when did Vulcan have a royal family?
Thing is this movie is JUST like TMP, some people like it, some people despise it. The one of the MANY issues this movie has is it's effects are worse than the 60's ST shows effects. But mostly it was a love letter from Bill Shatner to himself as to how he sees Kirk. Not to mention this movie was one of the few times they took the sci out of the sic fic for trek and stupid stuff like traveling 1/2 way across the Galaxy in a few hours happened. Once again this is what happens when you let someone be the writer and director I.E. George Lucas. Never quite understood how Spock's pain was something he could not possibly remember. It had potential, but William Shakesman needed someone to tell him no when it came to that damn script of his. On the other hand this is the second best score for all of the movies. And Hiroshima's song was a nice addition to the soundtrack, Nichelle did a nice rendition of it in movie. Really, people your age have never heard the "because it's there" line before? Man no wonder some of your fellow kids are tripped out by a rotary phone. LOL, now I will never look at Cpt. Klaa as anything but the leader of the first Klingon Screamo Band.
"I couldn't help to notice you pain."~Sybok "My pain‽" ~ the entity "It runs deep, SHARE IT WITH ME!!!"~Sybok That line was used in 2Pac song, So much pain on another classic film. Above the Rim.
9:00 Don't be fooled, that plaque denotes Pioneer 10 or 11, the plaque was designed by Carl Sagan and Annie Druyan and includes directions to the ten nearest pulsars to Earth so that if anybody finds it, they can bring it back. 9:16 Or maybe not bring it back.
I agree pretty much completely. There are great scenes and ideas here that just don’t add up. That said, “What does God need with a starship?” Is one of my favorites lines in all of science fiction.
This is a common error about the probe, it is Pioneer 10 or 11, not Voyager. Voyagers had a golden disk, the plaque is from Pioneers. The main trio scenes are gold. Funny, the TNG series reprised the Godlike entity premise in a controversial episode where the entity was in fact the residual of the darkness of pure ascended beings. So it naturally brewed dark thoughts and killing thoughts... We don't really know what the STV entity was but it surely was some powerful entity that was imprisoned on that planet, for good reason. The next one is one of the best. Romulans are vastly underrepresented in the movies, I'd like to think that they stayed in the shadows, not revealing themselves (they have cloak tech and in fact THEY gave it to the Klingons) and let the situation resolve by itself, they generally prefer to let the others to fight among themselves and pick up the pieces afterwards. "The writers" were on strike during this movie's production. Filming was plagued with cuts and sabotages... ILM was busy elsewhere so a lower experienced SFX company was hired instead... ALl ingredients to make a bad movie. The scene where he was alone on the planet should have been more epic but budget cuts made it impossible (rock men on fire... even the props looked bas so it was cut) Sybok was supposed to be played by none other than Sean Connery himself but it couldn't happen so they chose Lawrence Luckinbil who did a great job.
Loved your last comment at the reaction "go Spock! I'll buy your album." Hope you know that Spock (Leonard Nimoy) had a few actual albums: Leonard Nimoy Presents Mr. Spock's Music From Outer Space; Two Sides of Leonard Nimoy; etc. Even William Shatner had an album: The Transformed Man.
Fun fact: the admiral on the screen who gives Kirk his assignment is Harve Bennett. He was producer from Star Trek II - VI. We pretty much owe him, that Star Trek continued after the financial disaster that was Star Trek I... 😊
We will probably never get another Kelvin timeline Star Trek movie at this point, but if they ever do, Sybok should be the villain in that movie. In this movie, it was said that Sybok was exiled from Vulcan, so he probably wasn't on it when Nero destroyed it. He was also already shown as having a Messiah complex, so in the next movie, he should lead a cult of Vulcan survivors on a vengeance quest against the Romulans and Federation for allowing Vulcan to fall.
Best moment was Kirk’s “I need my pain” speech because it’s 100% true. Anyway, you have two more excellent movies coming, 6 and 8 (NextGen’s Borg movie).
Kirk would know' he had to face himself in the original episode with the transporter malfunction. One Kirk was the angry side and the other emotional and unsure.
@@TFIGBassPlayer I remember that episode. Kirk said, “I saw a part of myself no man should ever see.” And at the end when Spock solved the problem, I liked it when Kirk told Spock, “Thank you….from the both of us.”
@@this.is.a.username Star Trek 7 (Generations) could have been a great film with its ambitious story - but it was so badly directed that all of the scenes which were supposed to be exciting/suspenseful utterly fell flat and felt dull and sluggish. Especially with Dennis McCarthy’s tuneless, miserable New-Age musical garbage score. The Jerry music in the next 3 movies blows this off the map.
This is one of my favorites because it’s the utter camp of a 60s stand alone episode. Edit: but I also love movies so bad that they’re good. Like Battlefield Earth.
One explanation for this films failings was that it was directed by Shatner during the height of his ragging ego. Scenes that demeaned the other main characters were a direct decision by him, most notably the scene where Scotty knocks himself out on the bulkhead right after saying that he knows the ship like the back of his hand. And as I remember, Nichols was not exactly thrilled to do the "fan dance" scene.
4:40 - There's the famous line that everyone who plays video games knows (whether they realize it or not). Everything that is optional in a game. Everything that you don't have to do but you do anyway. All of the sidequests, all of the superbosses. Everything. And why do we do it? Because it's there.
22:55 the biggest problem with this movie is that there was a ton of dialogue and scenes cut out of the film before they even had a chance to film it. There was a scene that's in the book but not in the movie where Sybok alters the enterprises Shields to repel the energy of the barrier. Coincidentally the Klingons already had that style of shields. But exploring is not the Klingon way.
No one had every tried to go through the Great Barrier because they sent probes in and none ever returned so they assumed they were destroyed and didn’t want to risk a ship going through.
8:40 “l liked him better before he died” This will continue to be one of the best jokes in the camaraderie shared by these three. And in my view, is on equal footing for best joke in movie right next to scottys claim about how well he knows the ships layout…
Since you like Jerry Goldsmith scores you should checkout the movie "The Wind and the Lion" from 1975. It is a great adventure film and has a stunning Goldsmith score.
Ollie, you should watch Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 2 Episode 16: 'Q Who' and Season 3 Episode 26 & Season 4 Episode 1: 'The Best of Both Worlds, Parts 1 & 2' before watching Star Trek 7: Generations. These episodes provide IMPORTANT context for that movie and the movie after it. Whether you do reactions to them or not, you should still definitely watch them.
During college, my dorm roommate and I used to have long discussions and debates at night over the most deeply philosophical and even incredibly mundane things. We debated over who we would save -- a spouse or a child (if we could only choose one). We debated what life would look like on other planets. And, of course, we debated over STAR TREK. He was a physics major and I was an engineering/computer science major. For me, the best TREK films were 2, 6, 4, 8 (First Contact) and 3. For him, he preferred 1, 5, 7 (Generations), 3 and 10 (Nemesis). So, we were polar opposites. He couldn't understand the hate that STAR TREK V received or the criticism of THE MOTION PICTURE. Oddly enough, I really enjoy the underlying story of both of these films. It's just that they weren't executed as well as I would envision. If any films could be remade or given "special editions," it would be both of these. The story is actually not that bad.
To be fair to William Shatner, this movie was shot during a writer's strike and with the budget reduced to one fifth of what he asked. I doubt it would have ever been a fine piece of directing, but under the circumstances I think his directing was ok for a debut.
AWKWARD is the word I would use for ST V. I remember seeing this in the theater on its first release and absolutely hating it. There was a lot of forced humor that tried to recapture the humor of Star Trek IV, and completely failed... the worst was Scotty hitting his head on a beam. I mean come on, really? I had not watched this movie for years, and then I recently bought the new 4k Blu-ray set with all the Star Trek movies remastered. I popped this one in watched it just because I knew your reaction was coming up and wanted to get a fresh look at it. Lo and behold, I did not hate it as much as I did back in the day. The effects didn't seem quite as wonky as I remembered (though still not great), some of the editing was really creative with long tracking shots, and (as you said) the character moments really worked in some places. It's still my least favorite, but I'm willing to forgive some of its shortcomings because of the ideas that are presented. Ollie, since you've become so enthusiastic about these characters, I hope you will consider reacting to the original Star Trek series, or at the very least a few select episodes such as "Space Seed", "The Menagerie", "Amok Time", and "City on the Edge of Forever". I think you would really enjoy them. Keep up the awesome work!
Shatner made a decent, watchable film. The music by Jerry Goldsmith is very good. The film was hurt by cheesy visual effects. A writer's strike went on in 1988. There were too many films released in 1989.
My recollection at the time was that because it was being billed as The FINAL Frontier, thus closing out the series, audiences felt underwhelmed. Ending the movie series on Earth with just the 3 "main" characters singing Row, Row, Row Your Boat---just didn't seem like the iconic sendoff that the entire cast deserved. Meanwhile, on television The Next Generation was just finding it's footing and it's fanbase, Paramount decided to give the original cast one last go. Hence---the fantastic Undiscovered Country. But as for The Final Frontier---I think it's a really good Star Trek movie. Not great. Just really good, IMO. That's how I remember it. I loved Sybock.
i think the Q imprissoned that extragalatic being, and erected that barier in the center of the galaxy and at the edge of our galaxy to protect us form dangers from outside the galaxy. though i still wonder how the Caretaker species in star trek voyager could enter the edge barrier
6:24 I have always thought of space stations as ships, and I never before thought of a space station as a building, but it is. It is a building but with no foundation to hold it up. Fascinating!
Saw this at the cinema in '89..as a trek superfan I naturally loved it..still do actually despite all the flaws of which there are so many..even trek at its original crew's lowest movie ebb outshines all the other incarnations for charisma, chemistry and overall dog'garn entertainment...Thank god or whatever he is for star trek 5...and many thanks to the shat..we salute you sir..
Sorry you had to endure this, but I applaud your commitment. You should consider watching the Strange New Worlds series which is set on the Enterprise before Kirk was captain.
No, he dies with a bald men by his side while giving a bad Goerg Takei impression and been buried under a few rocks. (someone in a suit read that in the script for ST Generations and said: yep, approved.)
ST5 had a lot of production problems. ILM was too busy to do the FX and Shatner and Nimoy got huge salary increases that cut into the FX budget. The FX artist they hired hadn't worked on anything of this scale. Previously he was known for stage effects and the movie Altered States (great movie).The ending on the planet was supposed to be much more elaborate. But they ran out of money There are some good character moments that harken back to the TV series and I love Kirk's "What does God need with a starship" line as well as Bones' follow up line about not asking the Supreme Being for its ID. But the movie just looks cheap
When you get to Star Trek VI, you'll be surprised by the music. You're the one reactor who really pays attention to the music. Cliff Eidelman wrote a masterful, dark, score; which in my opinion lent a gravitas to the movie. Right into the opening suite, it grabs you and says, "This movie is serious." Not an ebullient fanfare, it's right out of the Romantic Period, akin to Holst. Cheers.
ILM wasn't available as they had a lot of projects that year, including Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, which is also why Sean Connery was unavailable to play Sybok, which was the hope. Instead, they named the planet after him; Sha Ka Ree.
@@paulpreston5328 Can never be known in the same universe. If the question and the answer were discovered, the universe would cease to exist and be replaced with another even more bizarre and inexplicable....there's a theory that that's already happened...
Good film. Elements of philosophy included. A great analogy for 'God' is 'Q' from the TNG series. if you had all the power in the universe what would you do? Play games.
29:22 Kirk conveniently forgets (bad writing) that he had a brother named George, and a sister in law, and a nephew named Peter. All died but the nephew in TOS episode season 1 episode 29.
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This one is here! The one every one has warned me about! Not great but not horrible just meh. Some really good moments as well as just some boring parts and messy sections. Overall, still enjoyable, just sub par to everything else before it. Excited for 6!!!
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I think you're really gonna love the music score in Star Trek 6... It was composed by a relatively unknown composer in his early 20s at the time, and it really stands up - even against the great heights Jerry Goldsmith and James Horner reached in earlier films.
Production was hurt by a writer's strike in pre-production (which Paramount rushed), a teamster's strike at the start of principle photography, issues with weather requiring reshoots of many of the location shots in Yosemite... the fact that Shatner managed to get a watchable movie out is a small miracle of it's own.
First of all don't listen to the critics. You make your own decision, personally I've been a Star Trek fan my entire life and I have lots of fun memories watching Star Trek 5 when I was young. And as recently as 3 months ago. I still enjoy the heck out of it.
This was the last really good movie with the original cast for me. 6 for me is the worst for many reasons including the characters being written incredibly out character. For the record, my favourite Star Trek Original Cast movies are the first and fifth, I find Nicholas Meyer's two movies incredibly overrated.
@@SandShark350 It's underrated.
STAR TREK 6 is a great farewell to the original STAR TREK cast!
Agreed!!!!
The first one I saw in the theater, in 70mm.
Second star to the right, and straight on till morning.
Star Trek IV was a fine farewell to the cast. I wish it had ended there. If i could keep the 2-3-4 trilogy, i would gladly jettison 1, 5, 6, all the TNG movies, all the Abrams and Kurtzman Trek stuff... for just one more season of either TOS or Enterprise.
But it's very slow and not as exciting as this movie.
The scene where Sulu and Checkov had gotten themselves lost is kinda ironic considering their roles aboard the Enterprise as helmsman and navigator respectively, thus the reason why Uhura told them, "Your Secrets Safe With Me"
Oh come on, we know that she was talking about their being on a gay love tryst in the woods.
@@noneya3635 George Takei continued to play the character of Sulu as a straight character, despite the fact that the fact that Takei himself is gay
Largely due to the fact the homophobia was way more rampant back in the 60's when Takei originally wanted to have Sulu being established as a gay character, which wouldn't happen until J.J. Abrams rebooted the franchise
@@karlsmith2570George Takei didn’t want the character of Sulu to be gay in the 60s. It would hardly have been accepted at the time and he didn’t even come out as gay until the 90s.
@@richardvinsen2385 there's a trekculture video that made reference to George Takei disliking how J.J. Abrams had Sulu being a gay character in the 3rd entry of his rebooted version of Star Trek where they'd said that Takei had initially wanted to reveal Sulu as being gay during the original series, but, the homophobia issues were far less accepted in the 60's than they are now
Star Trek VI is gonna be an exciting adventure, looking forward to your reaction on that one.
Agreed! The Wrath of Khan gets all the praise, but The Undiscovered Country is my favorite of the original cast.
VI is very good, but the US - Russia peace forever allegory hasn't aged well, with the "Klingons" still being aggressive.
What does God need with a starship? Great reaction! While V isn’t the best I have warmed up to it over time. I love the scene about pain with Kirk. You are going to really enjoy Star Trek VI. A fitting conclusion to the original trek.
"Go Spock. I'll buy your record." Be careful what you wish for. Look up Nimoy's discography sometime. A generous reviewer ranked his singing as "somewhat melodic".
His. 'Ballad of Bilbo Baggins', was pure kitsch. So bad, it was good.
The Final Frontier's biggest problem was that ILM wasn't available for the effects and miniature work. Jerry Goldsmith is on point for the soundtrack though.
Oh, the probe was Pioneer 10.
The bit of music near the end is called "A Busy Man" and is one of the best pieces Goldsmith wrote for the films (along with "The Ba'Ku Village" from Insurrection)
or 11
They were available but it would have been like the C or D team. For the prices charged by ILM the producers felt they could get better value for money elsewhere. A big mistake.
The Hollywood special effects studios had a very busy year in 1989... "Back to the Future II" and "Honey I Shrunk the Kids" among others were heavy on the visual effects.
The lack of ILM was absolutely NOT the biggest problem the movie had. Amazing VFX would not have fixed the terrible script, the cheesy overly-sentimental writing, the cringe jokes, the feeble old men trying to be action stars....There was no saving this movie other than Shatner not writing and directing it. This should have been a Meyer-Nimoy event all the way, and it should have done what the previous films did...understand that this cast are old people.
@@trekkiejunk Agreed, this movie was plagued with problems, and they started and ended with the writer/director.
"I lost a brother once..." -- Kirk
This is such a horrifically tone-deaf line, because Kirk DID lose his brother in the original series -- Samuel Kirk, who is now a character in the prequel series "Strange New Worlds" played by Dan Jeannotte. The character was killed by flying parasites in the orgiinal series episode "Operation - Annihilate!"
The novelization realized this flub. They changed it to "I lost two brothers... I was lucky to get one back"
I never saw it as a flub. I viewed it assuming Kirk would say it thinking Bones and Spock would be thinking he meant Sam but in fact he meant to imply Spock was his brother-by-choice
@@MsAlexisPiazza That doesn't make it better. "I had a brother once... Oh, you thought I was talking about that nerd Sam? Naaah, he's still dead. Lolz!!!"
"I've always wanted to play to a captive audience..." RIP Nichelle you goddess.
ST5 is definitely how you described, but Kirk's line talking about needing his pain is one of the best lines in all Trek IMO.
"I lost a brother once. I was lucky I got him back."
Yeah... so, Jimmy, do you remember your **ACTUAL** brother who was killed in the TOS episode "Operation Annihilate" ? I guess not.
4:38 "Because it is there." -George Mallory, who died trying to scale Everest, answering to why he wanted to scale Everest
Hey Ollie, Fun Fact about that scene where Uhura was doing that dance as a distraction
Nichelle Nichols hated that scene because as it was originally pitched to her, that she was of the impression that the song you heard was going to be sung by Nichols herself, which Nichelle was looking forward to doing, but in the 11th hour the production decided to have the musical accompaniment be performed by the group Hiroshima
and considering she was also a professional singer, it's quite insulting. RIP Nichelle
That scene is AWFUL!!! Shatner turned her into U-whore-a. SICKENING!!!
@@danboyle7165 I don't know who you think Nichelle Nichols was, but she wasn't some pure virgin untouch prude being pimped out for money....
@@this.is.a.username Of course she wasn't. I never said she was. What she was, was a woman with her own autonomy who was put into a horribly misogynistic sex-like scene by a narcissistic self-important director who was also the lead actor of the movie who is well-known to not have gotten along well with his castmates.
7:48 - Even sadder is out of those three actors, he's the only one left.
This movie came out in 1989. Star Trek: The Next Generation series premiered in 1987. The Next Generation (TNG) series is supposed to take place about 75 years after the time of Kirk. You can start seeing some changes to the set design in this movie that kind of start matching with TNG. During this time though, The Next Generation series wasn't really taken seriously by the fans. It wasn't until the 3rd season that it started to get a following with better story writing and a better quality production. Star Trek 6, which came out in 1991, you'll start seeing small deliberate tie-ins to TNG series.
Yup, after two lackluster seasons, TNG finally came together in the third season. But it was that third-season finale that put the show back in the pop culture conversation and that success paved the way for everything else that followed with this franchise.
After the departure of Maurice Hurley. Generally agreed his showrunning was awful.
"What does God need with a starship?" is one of Kirk's most iconic lines?
So yeah, not the best one, but it still touches the heart with spending time with friends. And yes, a wasted story with Spocks brother, that could have really been something bigger and better. I saw this at the drive in with my brother, so it will always be a special one just for that.
I think this film is woefully underrated. It definitely feels a little "off" tonally compared to the others, but the story is actually pretty inventive and Sybok is actually one of my favorite characters. Very nuanced, and I hope his earlier years get explored more in the newer prequel shows.
Never disliked this movie and while it can be argued that it is the weakest TOS-Film, it has enough going for it to be worthwhile. It has *heart*. It still tries to give the Fans a Story that is in the spirit of Trek. It may fall a bit short but good intentions and ambition counts a lot for me.
Also:
- David Warner played the Human Ambassador. He was in a bunch of movies (including *several* appearances in Star Trek, including the next one as a different character). Sadly, Warner passed away recently.
- Actually, STV had a higher budget than the previous movie. And the generally low quality of the effects was not because of not enough money but because the Effects Company they hired was not up to the task.
This movie always felt like an extended episode of the show to me rather than a proper movie.
“Jim… not in front of the Klingons.” 😂
You reaction was perfect. The studio, William Shatner, even Gene Roddenberry, had so many issues and rewrites for this film. I also happened during a writers strike at the time so there was a hard hold just from that. Gene didn't like the whole idea and thought it was too similar to The Motion Picture. Lastly, the budget was cut taking what was to be 6 angels/demons on the planet to one and the budget can be seen throughout the film as just not being there.
I absolutely agree with your take on the quiet moments with the three of them. Those were moments, you'd watch and be like....god....what I would give for lasting friendships like those as I get older.....
Star Trek V is like a episode from the original series. If they can do a special edition of this movie and fix some of the editing and the sfx issues I think it would be a much stronger movie.
I’m sure many others have said this but when it comes to Star Trek first contact you have some homework ( it’s got backstory like wrath of khan) so I’d recommend watching, Q Who and best of both worlds pt1&2 it’ll give you more insight and appreciation also they’re safe to watch before generations if you want to familiarise yourself with the new crew ( TNG was actually on air when a lot of the TOS films were in cinemas) love seeing the reactions you’re doing a great job!
That also would apply to his reacting to Star Trek VI, particularly due to Michael Dorn's role in the movie
Not only required wathing, but some of the best the Next Generatiion had to offer.
Good advice. I wanted to say the same. 👍
@@DogwafflDan indeed
Definitely will help to make any Next Generation films enjoyable. "Best Of Both Worlds" 1&2 are pretty much like a motion picture themselves.
The shot of Kirk climbing was shot in an observation point lot with a mock slab of the El Capitan rock face. If you look carefully in the background you can actually see the real El Capitan.
I have heard that Shatner's vision was too much for the budget and it all had to be toned down.
'Because it is there' was apparently said by George Mallory, who died on his third attempt to climb Everest.
This one was a bit disappointing, after the glory of The Voyage Home. But it does have its good points. The sheer misery of that line:
* Sybok : I thought weapons were forbidden on this planet. Besides, I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes.
J'Onn : It's all I have.
* "What does God need with a starship?"
* Sybok striding towards the creature: "I couldn't help but notice your pain."
* The late David Warner as the Earth ambassador - not a huge part, but he would go on to play a much more important role in Star Trek: The Next Generation. And then he was in Doctor Who, ticking off two of the big sci-fi franchises!
and there's the thought we're left with, who exactly imprisoned the false God in that place?
"Go Spock, I'd buy your album." Leonard Nimoy actually released five albums. William Shatner too. As far as I can see, DeForest Kelley spared us his musical stylings through his long career. Off to Amazon!
Some good comments at the end there, about the missed opportunities.
Even if they had the budget for "Shatner's Vision" to be realized, it would have still been a terrible movie. Most of what made this movie bad had nothing to do with the things Shatner couldn't finish correctly. The humor is super cheesy, watching these old men try to be action stars, the whole "center of the galaxy" thing, making the secondary cast members who we loved for 25 years be so easily manipulated into a cult...there's just soooo much to hate.
David Warner was also in an episode of Babylon 5 (and Star Trek 6).
I gave V a 7/10 on IMDb. This movie has a flavor of an episode more than a big screen adventure to me. I certainly appreciated the handicaps the studio gave Shatner to deal with and considering those, appreciate the final product.
The biggest handicap was having Billy Shatner as director, curse you evil studio 🤣🤣🤣
David Warner played the Terran ambassador. You will see him again in Star Trek six as one of the main Klingons. I forget his name
Gorkon
When my rather religious parents introduced me to this film…they actually pointed out some scripture references in Revelation” which claim that Satan would be imprisoned within a pit, during which time humanity would know over a thousand years of peace…
So the theory is that this supernatural being would have actually been lucifer, the barrier was his prison, and the peace known since humanity came together and it’s involvement in the federation…
Further, the deceptive nature of his changing appearance, and comment at 26:40 “an eternity ive been imprisoned in this place”
Again, it’s one of those “there’s enough references and notions that would allow a theory to fit, but nothing confirmed concrete in canon”
I had become a fan about two years earlier and absorbed all the episodes, the comics, etc. The Scotty-Uhura thing was completely out of the blue.
5 definitely has its issues but I still love it. The story while under written and under developed is VERY classic Trek and the focus on the Kirk Spock McCoy relationship is terrific. Plus a gorgeous Goldsmith score. If only they'd worked on the script more and had better fx.
I seem to recall the comic book adaption or the novelization had a line that was probably cut from the film. Near the end when Kirk says "Cosmic thoughts, gentleman?", Bones says something like: "Perhaps the Great Barrier wasn't designed to keep us out, but to keep that thing in. Wouldn't that imply the existence of a greater power? Maybe not God as we know it, but something else we haven't thought of?"...
"What does God want with a spaceship?"
Probably the funniest question I ever heard.
Fun fact Leonard does have a music album
I know you are not a music reaction channel but it mite be worth a viewing
While Star Trek V is certainly at the bottom of my list it does have some jewels of moments including the campfire scene and most of the music. The sets were pretty good it just needed some tightening of the editing
5 draws alot from TOS the big three banter and interactions, the story from Who Mourns for Adonis and Catspaw, it's got a lot going for it but ultimately it never becomes cohesive
29:23. He lost a brother for real: George Samuel Kirk, in the episode "Operation: Annihilate!" of the Original Series. This is a weird way to pay tribute for both George and Spock.
Actually, it's more like a slap in the face to Sam.
@@DavidBrown-xm8ou probably.
David Warner, the Terran in the Paradis City, was a horror movie icon in the 70s and 80s and appeared From Beyond the Grave the original Omen and the 1979 Time Machine remake in which he played Jack the Ripper being chased by H. G. Wells (played Malcolm McDowell from Rob Zombie'sHalloween). Warner also played a Klingon in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.
Shatner got the director nod on this one because he was supposed to direct an episode durig the Original Series; it would have been the one after the last episode, had the series continued.
People love to hate on Star Trek V, but it does offer some of the best Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamics and a multi-dimensional anatgonist who does more than twirl their mustache. The effects are a bit wonky, but the core story manages to hold up over time.
I call this one, Star Trek V: The Wizard of Oz.
It's generally thought that the "god" is just a bad, imprisoned Cytherian.
I really like Star Trek V, in part, because of the story idea and characterizations it promoted. The greatest problem with the film is that Paramount kept changing its budget while it was being made, taking more and more of its money away, leaving Shatner unable to film it properly. So much is done on the cheap and its execution suffered.
funny thing, Kirk did actually have a brother in TOS.
Star Trek 5 is a flawed film but it's 100 times better than any of today's new Trek and Disney Star Wars combined! 😆
Hey Ollie, a few Fun Facts for you:
David Warner, who plays the Federation Diplomat St John Talbot & Charles Cooper, who plays the Klingon Diplomat General Korrd would appear in other Star Trek formats, Cooper would appear in 2 episodes of TNG as another Klingon character named K'Mpec, the first of which is the episode "Sins Of The Father" and Warner's would be in Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country as the Klingon Character of Gorkon Chancellor of the Klingon High Council and would also appear in the TNG two-part episode "Chain Of Command" as the Carddassian character of Gul Medred
The Romulan Diplomat was Cynthia Gow who appeared on the competition show "Star Search" hosted by Ed McMahon as a contestant for the spokesmodel title
More people need to ask why god needs their starship every time someone tells them god needs their help with something.
Great reaction dude ...✌️
Star Trek V had a very troublesome & tumultuous production behind-the-scenes, and to give William Shatner some credit as director he did manage to a make a decent film from it all (despite the many many production problems the film had, that a lesser experienced director would have made the film surely bomb at the box office...Star Trek V was successful as far as profits go but nowhere as successful as several of the previous entries in terms of box office numbers). Star Trek V is on par with the original TV series (also taking some inspiration from several episodes) and it is always nice to see the interaction between the cast...someday I hope that Paramount will allow William Shatner to re-edit and re-vamp (in terms of effects) Star Trek V to give everyone the director's cut that many (including Shatner himself) wants. ..come on Paramount the guy is in his 90s, let him do it before he passes on.
Like everyone else says, Star Trek VI is a good film to wrap up the movies series with the original cast on a very positive send off. "Live Long & Prosper" 🖖
When a friend asked what I thought of the film at the time, I shrugged and said, "Third-season episode." He agreed that that said it all.
Lawrence Luckinbill is a great actor and he did a great job on a pretty interesting villain. Much of the story and the script was not ready. The elevator scene? so ridiculous. Vulcan princess?? when did Vulcan have a royal family?
Thing is this movie is JUST like TMP, some people like it, some people despise it. The one of the MANY issues this movie has is it's effects are worse than the 60's ST shows effects. But mostly it was a love letter from Bill Shatner to himself as to how he sees Kirk. Not to mention this movie was one of the few times they took the sci out of the sic fic for trek and stupid stuff like traveling 1/2 way across the Galaxy in a few hours happened.
Once again this is what happens when you let someone be the writer and director I.E. George Lucas. Never quite understood how Spock's pain was something he could not possibly remember. It had potential, but William Shakesman needed someone to tell him no when it came to that damn script of his.
On the other hand this is the second best score for all of the movies. And Hiroshima's song was a nice addition to the soundtrack, Nichelle did a nice rendition of it in movie.
Really, people your age have never heard the "because it's there" line before? Man no wonder some of your fellow kids are tripped out by a rotary phone.
LOL, now I will never look at Cpt. Klaa as anything but the leader of the first Klingon Screamo Band.
"I couldn't help to notice you pain."~Sybok
"My pain‽" ~ the entity
"It runs deep, SHARE IT WITH ME!!!"~Sybok
That line was used in 2Pac song, So much pain on another classic film. Above the Rim.
9:00 Don't be fooled, that plaque denotes Pioneer 10 or 11, the plaque was designed by Carl Sagan and Annie Druyan and includes directions to the ten nearest pulsars to Earth so that if anybody finds it, they can bring it back.
9:16 Or maybe not bring it back.
I agree pretty much completely. There are great scenes and ideas here that just don’t add up. That said, “What does God need with a starship?” Is one of my favorites lines in all of science fiction.
This is a common error about the probe, it is Pioneer 10 or 11, not Voyager. Voyagers had a golden disk, the plaque is from Pioneers.
The main trio scenes are gold.
Funny, the TNG series reprised the Godlike entity premise in a controversial episode where the entity was in fact the residual of the darkness of pure ascended beings. So it naturally brewed dark thoughts and killing thoughts... We don't really know what the STV entity was but it surely was some powerful entity that was imprisoned on that planet, for good reason.
The next one is one of the best.
Romulans are vastly underrepresented in the movies, I'd like to think that they stayed in the shadows, not revealing themselves (they have cloak tech and in fact THEY gave it to the Klingons) and let the situation resolve by itself, they generally prefer to let the others to fight among themselves and pick up the pieces afterwards.
"The writers" were on strike during this movie's production. Filming was plagued with cuts and sabotages... ILM was busy elsewhere so a lower experienced SFX company was hired instead... ALl ingredients to make a bad movie. The scene where he was alone on the planet should have been more epic but budget cuts made it impossible (rock men on fire... even the props looked bas so it was cut)
Sybok was supposed to be played by none other than Sean Connery himself but it couldn't happen so they chose Lawrence Luckinbil who did a great job.
Loved your last comment at the reaction "go Spock! I'll buy your album." Hope you know that Spock (Leonard Nimoy) had a few actual albums: Leonard Nimoy Presents Mr. Spock's Music From Outer Space; Two Sides of Leonard Nimoy; etc. Even William Shatner had an album: The Transformed Man.
2-4-6-8 who do we appreciate? Even numbered Star Trek movies!
What about 10 (Nemesis) and 12 (Into Darkness)?
@@weepingscorpion8739 2-4-6-8-10-12 who do we appreciate doesnt rhyme. However, if you allow Galaxy Quest, it does go 2-4-6-8-GQ-ST
Yea this is a nutty balls movie for sure. Oh well is what it is! 6 is my fave personally
RIP David Warner
Fun fact: the admiral on the screen who gives Kirk his assignment is Harve Bennett. He was producer from Star Trek II - VI. We pretty much owe him, that Star Trek continued after the financial disaster that was Star Trek I... 😊
We will probably never get another Kelvin timeline Star Trek movie at this point, but if they ever do, Sybok should be the villain in that movie. In this movie, it was said that Sybok was exiled from Vulcan, so he probably wasn't on it when Nero destroyed it. He was also already shown as having a Messiah complex, so in the next movie, he should lead a cult of Vulcan survivors on a vengeance quest against the Romulans and Federation for allowing Vulcan to fall.
Best moment was Kirk’s “I need my pain” speech because it’s 100% true. Anyway, you have two more excellent movies coming, 6 and 8 (NextGen’s Borg movie).
Kirk would know' he had to face himself in the original episode with the transporter malfunction. One Kirk was the angry side and the other emotional and unsure.
@@TFIGBassPlayer I remember that episode. Kirk said, “I saw a part of myself no man should ever see.” And at the end when Spock solved the problem, I liked it when Kirk told Spock, “Thank you….from the both of us.”
7 is my favorite tbh
7 doesn't get the respect it deserves
@@this.is.a.username Star Trek 7 (Generations) could have been a great film with its ambitious story - but it was so badly directed that all of the scenes which were supposed to be exciting/suspenseful utterly fell flat and felt dull and sluggish. Especially with Dennis McCarthy’s tuneless, miserable New-Age musical garbage score. The Jerry music in the next 3 movies blows this off the map.
Underrated Star Trek Movie. The whole 'I need my pain' scene breaks me everytime
This is one of my favorites because it’s the utter camp of a 60s stand alone episode.
Edit: but I also love movies so bad that they’re good. Like Battlefield Earth.
One explanation for this films failings was that it was directed by Shatner during the height of his ragging ego. Scenes that demeaned the other main characters were a direct decision by him, most notably the scene where Scotty knocks himself out on the bulkhead right after saying that he knows the ship like the back of his hand. And as I remember, Nichols was not exactly thrilled to do the "fan dance" scene.
4:40 - There's the famous line that everyone who plays video games knows (whether they realize it or not). Everything that is optional in a game. Everything that you don't have to do but you do anyway. All of the sidequests, all of the superbosses. Everything. And why do we do it? Because it's there.
Technically, 6 isn't the last with the some of the original cast. In Star Trek Generations (aka st7). Also, the I die alone will pay off later.
22:55 the biggest problem with this movie is that there was a ton of dialogue and scenes cut out of the film before they even had a chance to film it. There was a scene that's in the book but not in the movie where Sybok alters the enterprises Shields to repel the energy of the barrier. Coincidentally the Klingons already had that style of shields. But exploring is not the Klingon way.
Your reaction to this film is absolutely spot on. Thank you. 😊
No one had every tried to go through the Great Barrier because they sent probes in and none ever returned so they assumed they were destroyed and didn’t want to risk a ship going through.
8:40 “l liked him better before he died”
This will continue to be one of the best jokes in the camaraderie shared by these three. And in my view, is on equal footing for best joke in movie right next to scottys claim about how well he knows the ships layout…
Since you like Jerry Goldsmith scores you should checkout the movie "The Wind and the Lion" from 1975. It is a great adventure film and has a stunning Goldsmith score.
That souds like "The Ghost and the Darkness" which also had a Jerry Goldsmith score. Will have to check it out.
Ollie, you should watch Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 2 Episode 16: 'Q Who' and Season 3 Episode 26 & Season 4 Episode 1: 'The Best of Both Worlds, Parts 1 & 2' before watching Star Trek 7: Generations. These episodes provide IMPORTANT context for that movie and the movie after it.
Whether you do reactions to them or not, you should still definitely watch them.
During college, my dorm roommate and I used to have long discussions and debates at night over the most deeply philosophical and even incredibly mundane things. We debated over who we would save -- a spouse or a child (if we could only choose one). We debated what life would look like on other planets. And, of course, we debated over STAR TREK. He was a physics major and I was an engineering/computer science major.
For me, the best TREK films were 2, 6, 4, 8 (First Contact) and 3.
For him, he preferred 1, 5, 7 (Generations), 3 and 10 (Nemesis).
So, we were polar opposites.
He couldn't understand the hate that STAR TREK V received or the criticism of THE MOTION PICTURE. Oddly enough, I really enjoy the underlying story of both of these films. It's just that they weren't executed as well as I would envision. If any films could be remade or given "special editions," it would be both of these. The story is actually not that bad.
Oh, and I am in the minority that actually LOVED the rebooted the first and third STAR TREK films (Star Trek [2009] and Star Trek Beyond).
29:56 "Go, Spock! I'd buy your album."
Leonard Nimoy actually made an album. He sang a song about The Hobbit and Bilbo Baggins on it lol.
Back in the day, the fandom referred to this one as "Star Trek V: The Mass Hallucination."
To be fair to William Shatner, this movie was shot during a writer's strike and with the budget reduced to one fifth of what he asked. I doubt it would have ever been a fine piece of directing, but under the circumstances I think his directing was ok for a debut.
2:05 Funny how the opening to Thor: Love and Thunder copies this movie.
AWKWARD is the word I would use for ST V. I remember seeing this in the theater on its first release and absolutely hating it. There was a lot of forced humor that tried to recapture the humor of Star Trek IV, and completely failed... the worst was Scotty hitting his head on a beam. I mean come on, really? I had not watched this movie for years, and then I recently bought the new 4k Blu-ray set with all the Star Trek movies remastered. I popped this one in watched it just because I knew your reaction was coming up and wanted to get a fresh look at it. Lo and behold, I did not hate it as much as I did back in the day. The effects didn't seem quite as wonky as I remembered (though still not great), some of the editing was really creative with long tracking shots, and (as you said) the character moments really worked in some places. It's still my least favorite, but I'm willing to forgive some of its shortcomings because of the ideas that are presented.
Ollie, since you've become so enthusiastic about these characters, I hope you will consider reacting to the original Star Trek series, or at the very least a few select episodes such as "Space Seed", "The Menagerie", "Amok Time", and "City on the Edge of Forever". I think you would really enjoy them. Keep up the awesome work!
Part 4 was the most successful movie in the franchise so part 5 had a bigger budget however Shatners idea was to big for the budget it had
8:24 - If you've ever watched TFS Dragonball Z Abridged, there's a part where they sing that song. This is why they sing it.
At the time this movie came out star trek the next generation was very popular. The score of this film from that show
Shatner made a decent, watchable film. The music by Jerry Goldsmith is very good. The film was hurt by cheesy visual effects.
A writer's strike went on in 1988. There were too many films released in 1989.
My recollection at the time was that because it was being billed as The FINAL Frontier, thus closing out the series, audiences felt underwhelmed. Ending the movie series on Earth with just the 3 "main" characters singing Row, Row, Row Your Boat---just didn't seem like the iconic sendoff that the entire cast deserved. Meanwhile, on television The Next Generation was just finding it's footing and it's fanbase, Paramount decided to give the original cast one last go. Hence---the fantastic Undiscovered Country. But as for The Final Frontier---I think it's a really good Star Trek movie. Not great. Just really good, IMO. That's how I remember it. I loved Sybock.
i think the Q imprissoned that extragalatic being, and erected that barier in the center of the galaxy and at the edge of our galaxy to protect us form dangers from outside the galaxy. though i still wonder how the Caretaker species in star trek voyager could enter the edge barrier
6:24 I have always thought of space stations as ships, and I never before thought of a space station as a building, but it is.
It is a building but with no foundation to hold it up.
Fascinating!
Star Trek 6 is my favorite and I think you're going to love it it has the same director as Star Trek 2 Nicholas Myer
As the guys from Rifftrax put it: "Star Trek V: SHATNER RUINS THE FRANCHISE!" Fortunately, Star Trek VI redeems everything.
Saw this at the cinema in '89..as a trek superfan I naturally loved it..still do actually despite all the flaws of which there are so many..even trek at its original crew's lowest movie ebb outshines all the other incarnations for charisma, chemistry and overall dog'garn entertainment...Thank god or whatever he is for star trek 5...and many thanks to the shat..we salute you sir..
Spoken like a true Trekker...😉
Sorry you had to endure this, but I applaud your commitment. You should consider watching the Strange New Worlds series which is set on the Enterprise before Kirk was captain.
“I lost a brother once..” is probably trying remind us to the series episode when he discovers George Kirk killed in Operation: Annihilate!
"Not a good movie...not a good movie...actually that's a good question"--Me, every time I watch this
No, he dies with a bald men by his side while giving a bad Goerg Takei impression and been buried under a few rocks. (someone in a suit read that in the script for ST Generations and said: yep, approved.)
But why would a Vulcan have a problem with killing his brother if logic dictates that it is necessary?
ST5 had a lot of production problems. ILM was too busy to do the FX and Shatner and Nimoy got huge salary increases that cut into the FX budget. The FX artist they hired hadn't worked on anything of this scale. Previously he was known for stage effects and the movie Altered States (great movie).The ending on the planet was supposed to be much more elaborate. But they ran out of money
There are some good character moments that harken back to the TV series and I love Kirk's "What does God need with a starship" line as well as Bones' follow up line about not asking the Supreme Being for its ID. But the movie just looks cheap
This movie was McCoy's finest character moment on screen big or small.
@@noneya3635 It was.
When you get to Star Trek VI, you'll be surprised by the music. You're the one reactor who really pays attention to the music. Cliff Eidelman wrote a masterful, dark, score; which in my opinion lent a gravitas to the movie. Right into the opening suite, it grabs you and says, "This movie is serious." Not an ebullient fanfare, it's right out of the Romantic Period, akin to Holst. Cheers.
Good news for you STAR TREK 6 is one of the best trek movies thankfully enjoy
ILM wasn't available as they had a lot of projects that year, including Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, which is also why Sean Connery was unavailable to play Sybok, which was the hope. Instead, they named the planet after him; Sha Ka Ree.
Not quite the ultimate knowledge. "42" is the ultimate answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything.
Yes yes yes... hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy..very good....however..the actual answer is....
Yes yes yes.. hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy...Very good..however, the actual answer is ...
@@paulpreston5328 Can never be known in the same universe. If the question and the answer were discovered, the universe would cease to exist and be replaced with another even more bizarre and inexplicable....there's a theory that that's already happened...
Good film. Elements of philosophy included. A great analogy for 'God' is 'Q' from the TNG series. if you had all the power in the universe what would you do? Play games.
29:22 Kirk conveniently forgets (bad writing) that he had a brother named George, and a sister in law, and a nephew named Peter. All died but the nephew in TOS episode season 1 episode 29.
Spock didn't release an album - but Leonard Nimoy actually did Mr. Spock's Music from Outer Space and then four more. 🖖
Kudos for sitting through V. Star Trek VI brings back the director of "Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan," Nicholas Meyer. It's an excellent movie.
The human ambassador: How many lights do you see? There are five lights.....
Same actor that interrogated Picard about lights.