Orson Welles Talks About Making 'Citizen Kane' | The Dick Cavett Show
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- Опубликовано: 8 мар 2019
- Orson Welles discusses making Citizen Kane as his first feature and tells Dick that movie making can be learnt in a day and a half.
Date aired - May 14, 1970 - Orson Welles
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Dick Cavett has been nominated for eleven Emmy awards (the most recent in 2012 for the HBO special, Mel Brooks and Dick Cavett Together Again), and won three. Spanning five decades, Dick Cavett’s television career has defined excellence in the interview format. He started at ABC in 1968, and also enjoyed success on PBS, USA, and CNBC.
His most recent television successes were the September 2014 PBS special, Dick Cavett’s Watergate, followed April 2015 by Dick Cavett’s Vietnam. He has appeared in movies, tv specials, tv commercials, and several Broadway plays. He starred in an off-Broadway production ofHellman v. McCarthy in 2014 and reprised the role at Theatre 40 in LA February 2015.
Cavett has published four books beginning with Cavett (1974) and Eye on Cavett (1983), co-authored with Christopher Porterfield. His two recent books -- Talk Show: Confrontations, Pointed Commentary, and Off-Screen Secrets (2010) and Brief Encounters: Conversations, Magic moments, and Assorted Hijinks(October 2014) are both collections of his online opinion column, written for The New York Times since 2007. Additionally, he has written for The New Yorker, TV Guide, Vanity Fair, and elsewhere.
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"Ignorance, there's no authority in the world like it." 1:09
great quote
@ClandestineOstrich lol
The applications of this line are endless.
Its because you haven't discovered or weren't told what can't be done yet.
Ain’t that the truth..
Orson Welles what a genuine person-self deprecating, humorous and intelligent.
Was.
My father was a waiter that worked in a high class restaurant and Orson Wells comes in . A waiter who was a huge fan of Orson Wells, he begged another waiter to be allowed to serve Orson Wells since it was not his station where the table was at. The waiter served him like a king with the best service anybody could get . Orson wells leaves a very poor tip to waiter . The waited felt disappointed and offended, and asked Orson Wells if he did anything wrong? Orson Wells took out a 100 dollar bill and said "is this what you want"? Orson Wells burnt 100 dollar bill in front of a waiter who by the way was a huge fan of Orson Wells. True story ,my father along with others witnessed it.
He was a drunk, so yeah really human.
Man?
Not even when he's sober. Is OP a bot? The being offended at being called first name vs calling porter sir. "You and I both know it takes about a day and a half" (to learn "everything" about making movies). 1:35 in and he's 2 for 2 in narcissistic sentences, and ones so severe I'm not listening to anything else. "Self-deprecating" he is not. Run.
I love how these old school classy people used to call them "pictures" instead of movies. Classy
Well yeah. That's what a roll of film is, "moving pictures".
reuben yebra well I’m British so I call them films too just talking in the context of these Americans 😅
Because it is the short form of moving pictures...
You are uneducated. Have you ever heard of motion pictures, or moving pictures?
Is this sarcasm??
Orson always seemed to be enjoying himself. He was life personified.
Except when he was making a frozen peas commercial
@@Meridian-lk2fo he made those commercials in order to make money to finish his unfinished projects. I bet he was enjoying himself
@@55249768 oh the French, they always doblabuuuuu uhhhhhh
Mr. Welles to you!
"Whenever I see a cop I know I did it"
One wouldn’t expect someone as regal as Orson Welles to be funny. I enjoyed him immensely. “I’ve never seen any of my pictures because I like to sit here and think how good it must have been.” What a real, endearing man.
After quoting Shakespeare from Macbeth (if memory serves) to Don Rickels at the roast of Dean Martin, Welles said "to put it in an idiom you're more familiar with Don, you're a yo-yo."
Laughed my ass off....
The contribution of Gregg Toland, the premier cinematographer, to Welles' Citizen Kane is inestimable. His innovations with respect to the use of lighting and shadows and deep focus was revolutionary and set the standards for generations of filmmakers to come. Welles was actually 25 when he collaborated with Herman Mankiewicz and Toland on Kane. It was the only time that he had complete creative control as a director on a film.
Welles put it precisely: Gregg Toland was the greatest cameraman who ever lived. Seems fitting that he shot the greatest movie that will ever be made.
Ah the golden age of television... when cigar smoke periodically obscures the guy your trying to interview.
I believe it was JACK LEMMON puffing the cigar
Now HERE'S what you want to make note of...
The great Jack Lemmon listens to Welles without a peep. I've seen Lemmon many times on shows and he's always respectful of other guests, but usually puts in some comments here and there.
THAT is the utmost compliment by Jack, and shows exactly how much Orson Welles was admired and his genius respected. Jack didn't want to miss a word Orson might have to say on anything!
BTW: Orson displays here how funny he was; very intelligent and a quick wit.
PPS: Lemmon does add(talk) during the Welles segment; this is only part of the show.
I'm not sure it was from respect. Have you heard Welles' studio outtakes from a frozen peas radio commercial? I think Jack feared the tongue whipping he would get from Mr. Welles.
@@tomservo5007 No. It's respect. Even earlier than this Jack Lemmon had earned respect himself- and Welles no doubt respected and admired Lemmon as one of the few who truly deserved it from him; one of the very few!
@@tomservo5007 Full of country goodness and green pea-ness!
Welles sounds to me like a good storyteller. It's hard to interrupt a good storyteller once they're on a roll.
@@dave29123 You're right... but I would not interrupt Orson Welles if he was mumbling between drinks or dozing!
OW was a genius and Dick Cavett is the best interviewer in the history of American TV.
I never realized welles was such a comedian. lol
Then you haven't seen citizen Kane. That's brilliance of it for me. It told a dramatic story not relying on strictly dramatic tropes. He used comedy, he used music, he damn right made the finest motion picture ever made.
Intelligence and humour go hand-in-hand. The good comedians/comedy writers are very often people who could have done basically anything career-wise if they had the inclination.
during the filming of Touch of Evil, he would go to Hollywood parties with full make up still on.... (And people were like "Oh my God, Orson, you look great") xD
I think the term is “raconteur”. Invite him to dinner or buy him a drink, and he will regale you with stories until you forget everything else until you see the sunrise brightening the sky and wonder where the time went.
He had a great sense of humor.
What a simply astounding interview. Everything in it is incredible. Welles' intelligence and wit, Cavett's deft touch and Lemmon's classy quiet observation. Simply brilliant clip.
My God! To this day I cannot believe how this man (Welles) could never cease to amaze and astound me with his brilliance. He truly was one of a kind.
The guy makes one of the greatest films of all time, and is so humble about it. That's what truly impresses. I mean, he brushes it off as though it were sheer luck! Well, that it may be, but forgive me if I have a very difficult time believing that! _Citizen Kane_ was the work of utter genius. But there he is, Orson swearing that it is so. Who are we to question him? Never the like shall we see again, sadly ...
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Nice of him to dispel the myths of the director and give props to all the people actually involved including the cinematographer. So many directors today love to soak up the glory as if everything were their doing
(love the stories about his two years making Othello: back of head shots for unavailable actors, murder in the steam bath because they couldn't afford wardrobe, etc.)
Fucking hell! Welles is an absolutely on point comedian, but he weaves some nuggets of pure wisdom into it as well. No wonder he was so great.
luv the smoke wafting into frame from jack's ciggy. golden days of tv
And emphysema.
Freedom!!!
golden days of poisoning everyone
The golden days before assholes thought they had to right to ban it everywhere EVEN in places the owners didn't want it to be banned in. Don't like smoke? The fucking don't go to the place with smoke and for the record I don't smoke so wouldn't go. The days before the pussy Antifa, Soy Boys, and PC/SJW ways were FANTASTIC.
Yikes
The absolute one and Only Orsen Wells. His F for Fake is also remarkable. Orsen Wells R.I.P
The endlessly quotable Orson Welles. So brilliant and yet seemingly, a nice guy. Pretty intense combination, he charisma and appeal is off the charts. Such a soothing voice also. Like the ultimate elder in a family.
Orson Welles seems like he'd always be the life of the party. Good storyteller.
One of the very few gentleman,who had a grasp of the English language, such eloquence.
Which makes today's world even more pathetic and sad. The English language as we know it is on it's way out to be replaced by utter idiocy and outright illiteracy. All you have to do is follow social media for a day and realize the magnitude of it.
Orson Welles was the greatest talent the movies/stage/radio ever had. Forget Dos Equis, HE is the most interesting man in the world!
Orson Welles argued that John Ford's "Stagecoach" (1939) was a perfect textbook of filmmaking and claimed to have watched the film more than forty times in preparation for the making of "Citizen Kane" (1941).
The student surpassed the master
Welles was once asked who in his opinion were the top three greatest filmmakers in history.....His answer John Ford, John Ford and John Ford
I've always loved this fact. Really goes to show the impact Ford had on the industry.
Welles made a great film and some good ones. Ford made several great films.
TubenIt83 The Magnificent Ambersons, The Lady from Shanghai, Touch of Evil, Chimes at Midnight and F for Fake are great.
"because i like to sit here and think how good it was." where can i learn to be this charming and sharp.
That line came so fast you'd almost think it was scripted. He was really quick-witted!
Cigars, cigaretts and interviews....Ahh the 70's.
It was also the last decade of the original cocktail party scene. People still have cocktail parties, but it's not the same.
Way to go Orson, you showed your class, wit and genius in this old interview. Wish we had more like you today making films.
Interviewers can all take a lesson from Cavett. He asks perfect follow-up questions that really bring out the details of the story a guest is trying to tell. But then he does the most important thing that an interviewer can do, and one that many modern hosts have not learned: he shuts up and listens.
I only started learning about Orson Welles in the last couple of years and I find him fascinating
All his interviews are intelligent and unique... such a great smart man.
What a class act. The humour, the brains, the sheer superiority through experience and yet self deprecating. A gentleman through and through.
See how Jack Lemmon in the back, just sitting back in admiration and not chiming in needlessly. This is what we've lost over the years.
We’ve lost nearly everything
Dick Cavett! What a legend for getting all of these interviews.
I could listen to Orson talk for years 💙
Jack Lemmon is having the time of his life
Jack Lemmon is an acting legend in his own right very cool to see his reaction.
A true genius and absolute gentleman. And such a wonderful storyteller -- I could listen to him all day long!
This is the first time I seen an interview of Orson Welles, he is quite witty with a engaging personality
I’ve been watching a lot of the interviews on this channel for the last month or so now and there is one thing that stands out in sharp relief to me. Back then, actors and hosts were not trying to get shock value out of the content. The closest they got was innuendo and tongue in cheek. That was it. We had to figure out what they meant. They were not trying to surprise people and shock them with outrageous behavior so much. It was a classier time. I honestly think that the shock factor has now grown stale. I can’t imagine 20 or 40 years in the future, our children and grandchildren Watching the interviews from our time and remarking on how classy and how amazing they were. I think the pendulum is swinging in the other direction. Because of that, I think they’ll probably be ashamed of how we behaved in our era. The whole shock thing started when I was young. This would’ve been in The late 80s and 90s. It reached its peak after 2000. Now, I think people are ready for a return to classier talk show hosts and classier guests. We want to smile instead of gasp.
He’s the only filmmaker to go after Hearst.
Fun fact: Hearst is the reason journalism is how it is today. Pulitzer was the newspaper guy with integrity, now he’s an award for books that don’t sell. Hearst would go on to help start the drug war with DuPont by lobbying to have Harry Anslinger become the first drug czar. Which then started the reefer madness propaganda.
There’s a sequel to citizen kane. The people have to make it.
Goddamn son that is lit. I would love to watch that movie.
"yellow journalism" historians call it..
lets get funding
Wyatt ...You are a Smart Guy...thaks for pointing that out...and So True !
Wyatt...films can not fix things...our society has made too many mistakes...just like Rita Hayworth says at the end of Lady From Shainghi..
Orson Well is A giant in the film world. Such brilliant mind.
When he was young he use to stay in the Aran Islands which is off the Irish Coast. My grandmother worked in the bed and breakfast rhat he stayed in and would make him his breakfast in the morning and his dinner in the evenings as well as cleaning his room. They developed a great friendship and every Christmas he would send her a card. He once offered to fly her and her husband to America and stay in his home but she couldn't as granddad was a light house keeper and had to stay. One summer Orson brought Alfred Hitchcock with him who my grandmother said was intensely rude and arrogant. Orson apologised to her for Alfred's behaviour.
Terrific anecdote. ThanX for posting this.
A great insight into Orson Welles’ generosity of Spirit.
One of the very best Cavett shows ever. Orson is the supremely entertaining raconteur. BTW in 1973 I was privileged to attend a Cavett show on 57th street (?) with the guest Herman Kahn. I was a senior in high school at the time. Real fun.
His next one, the one he was getting ready to work on, The Other Side of the Wind, did turn out to be a great one. It would have been the Kane of the 1970s, if it hadn’t came out in 2018.
Shit, I forgot that was being released. I need to watch that.
AquaDump Entertainment Yes you do, it’s up there with Kane, Ambersons, and Touch of Evil.
I need to watch that too. Think Netflix was showing it.
Touch of Evil, Mr. Arkadin, and of course Citizen K are my favorite Orson Welles' flicks. Innovative and cool, redefined film with each movie.
@@leamanc That's some awfully high praise.
AquaDump Entertainment It is high praise, but it’s justified. TOSOTW is dense and complex, but goes down smooth and easy, just like Orson’s best.
Sometimes, such as this time, we get a different insight to a person during an interview. I think I would have enjoyed buying a glass of wine for Orson Welles and talking with him. I had such a pleasure with a famous actor in 1975.
He was a brilliant individual, he would simplify everything just the way things are supposed to be. It's always best to let one do the job he was paid to do. Not many are not scared of a good challenge.
Orson Wells: "A movie can't be changed"
Gorge Lucas: "Hold my beer"
'Gorge'? more like 'Engorged Lucas'
Citizen Kane: The Director's Cut
Gorge Lucas and Gorge Welles - both men who ate themselves to death.
@@bradmodd7856 Don't you Mean Citizen Kane: Special Edition
Francis Ford Coppola-“Hold mine first”
I love listening to Orson,I wish he could have ran for President.
"Kane for President"
Orson spent a lot of time extolling the virtues of other people he had worked with instead of toting his own talent. Take his point about working with the greatest Cameraman in the world was the key to his success. Orson was such a fantastic speaker.
I just watched Citizen Kane for like the 20th time. I didn’t know Orson Welles was so funny, genuine, and classy.
All three of these folks are absolute classics!
DC's greatest skill is letting the interviewee Just Talk ! What a period in time.
Cavett’s interviews had the luxury of time. And many of his guests were chosen because they possessed an expertise and not just because they were famous. With Orson Welles, he practically interviews himself because he could be a master raconteur & showman. If he wanted.
The air is chilled with dramatic sunsets. Now is the time for ghost stories and fantasy! Perhaps two radio play ghost stories I’ve produced AND a brand-new mystery listed on my channel “Claude Chabot Presents” right here on YT. PLUS, a radio fantasy-comedy, “A Trip to the Moon” starring Joyce Randolph of The Honeymooners, which features Larry Robinson, who, as a child actor, actually worked with Orson Welles. Here’s the link: ruclips.net/video/Hex2ltykNTM/видео.html--Claud. If you don’t want to click the link just search “Claude Chabot presents” on RUclips.
Welles is one of my idols. Genius!
Welles was one of those people who seemed to know everyone, reminds me of Bucky Fuller who you could say the same thing about.
Im a 20 sum year old and even though I never grew up in this time period I respect Orson Welles immensely. Artistic genius and intriguing human
it’s so refreshing how honest he was
What I know of Mr. Welles is that he was an actor and a director!!! Nothing more!!! But this interview and a couple others that I’ve seen on RUclips shows an incredibly interesting man!!! One which I really need to read more about!!! ☮️🖖🏽
There's a movie on Netflix right now about Orson trying to complete his last movie before he died, called "They'll Love Me When I'm Dead" about the trials and tribulations of making "The Other Side of the Wind". If you like Orson Wells, you will enjoy it.
JustWasted3HoursHere Much thanks!!! I look forward to watching it!!! ☮️🖖🏽
@@ralphfurley123 Have fun!
I've been thinking the same thing. But "I never met Stalin" for me is my favorite quote.
Welles could draw, paint, write, read and play music. He was a Renaissance man.
I cannot describe how much I love this man!!!
What a genius he was! What a great artist! Citizen Kane forever one of the greatest movies EVER. Art 24 fps!
I have a horribly short attention span, but I never, ever get bored listening to Orson Welles.
Orson was a genius loved his work, could listen to him all day. Brilliant man
Wow what an absolutely amazing six minutes of TV with him. I didn't think he gave that many interviews. Can you imagine? Stuck in an elevator with Hearst on the night of the premiere? Orson Welles' life certainly was cinematic.
I'm really enjoying watching all these old Dick Cavett Show episodes.
Interesting watching things that have and haven't changed in 50 years.
I can listen to this convo between them for hours!
Great show legend man Orson
Did you mean "Orston?"
This man is such a joy to listen to!
I could listen to him talk for hours.
'Ignorance. There's no authority in the world like it.' In the next sentence, 'You know technically that the whole bag of movies can be learned in about a day and a half.' Welles, the honest, rules on BS everyone else gives you to make themselves more glorious. But Welles was a geneous!
Yes, the basic elements of film can be summarized in a day and a half, but only people as talented as Welles as can take that summary and and run with it. The truly gifted quickly grasp the foundational principles of a discipline and immediately put it to work in surprising and effective ways.
Brilliant and honest. What more could you ask for.
Man i could listen to Orson talk for hours
He was totally awesome. Lived life at the speed of light, was an incredible director, and as proved in othello was an actor without equal.
What a great man. Loved the pictures he made!!!!
This man is too good to be real, honestly! While being enormously gifted, he is incredibly humble and funny and doesn't take himself too seriously. The interview should be preserved for future generations)
Orson just wonderful
Thank god for these interviews - Cavett a unique talent always allowed guests talk - perfect for Covid September 2020
The air is chilled with dramatic sunsets. Now is the time for ghost stories and fantasy! Perhaps two radio play ghost stories I’ve produced AND a brand-new mystery listed on my channel “Claude Chabot Presents” right here on YT. PLUS, a radio fantasy-comedy, “A Trip to the Moon” starring Joyce Randolph of The Honeymooners, which features Larry Robinson, who, as a child actor, actually worked with Orson Welles. Here’s the link: ruclips.net/video/Hex2ltykNTM/видео.html--Claud. If you don’t want to click the link just search “Claude Chabot presents” on RUclips.
A Long, Hot Summer is my favorite Orson Welles film. I don't know how many times I've seen it. A great cast.
Great actor and his voice is amazing.
Truly a Renascence man. Writer, director, filmmaker, actor, raconteur, wit, and brilliance yet self deprecating. One of a kind.
The Legend, Orson Welles
Great artist and from research, he received a lot of flack and jealousy. A true genuine talent.
Man, Welles's impression of the Brain is uncanny!
Down to the saggy cheeks!
@@tonyseyffer8254 You've never seen him bodyslam the buffet table!
This is fantastic. Welles is a great interview because he is brilliant.
I could listen to Mr Welles all night long!
I used to shoot video for years and what he said really hit home. I dont need to rewatch my movies because Ive edited them for hours and know every scene. Orson seems like a really cool guy here. Friendly and not as uptight as he got later in life.
I love how he keeps talking about how when you are young you are not limited by thinking I can't do it.
His mother instilled such great self confidence in him that he went on to move mountains.
J.hon...well no ..she was smart and arrogant...When he was small boy and entered her parlor room she would say. "" Now Orson, if you are not amusing you will have to leave the room "...this causes Anxiety which propelled his search for self...that search is what motivates all Artists. See Bob Dylan.
@@michaelcelani8325 thanks for clarification. Hard to know exactly what drives a person.
It is impossible physically for a man or even a collection of men to move mountains. Even the most powerful earth moving machines that we have invented are incapable of such feats.
Just watched Citizen Kane a few days ago after a lifetime of hearing it's the best film ever made. I really liked it, though I would've really loved to see it without already knowing what "Rosebud" meant. Also, what a charismatic, likeable person Mr. Welles was, or "Orston", as some of us know him.
Rosebud is unnecessary, but almost every single script writer would say that a dialogue based story needs a mystery. Surely, best example that I can give is also the most recent one, Oppenheimer. If you remove the mystery of "What Oppie said to Einstein" and remove few dialogues that references it, the movie would still work. But the movie would lack the mystery. We live in future, we already have a gist of how everything ended up. We already know that Strauss himself was (sort of) a scientist and dislikes Oppenheimer for his ideology. We know that he was found guilty in the end. There is no mystery in the plot without Einstein, although the movie would work without his existence.
I know this because I am writing a book about bunch of people trying to find a man in a deserted place. I explained what the man did and why they are looking for him. I delivered how the man got in that location. But when I show that to my professor, he told me that there needs to be another mystery of why people are so ambitious for their research. Simple "doing your duty like a decent government officer" was not enough, I guess.
Orson Welles is an absolutely truthful man which absolutely turns me on and makes me respect him so much as a filmmaker 💖
I miss these kind of talk shows
What Cavett did, that makes the rest of talk show hosts since look like complete morons, is that he respected the audience's intelligence. Or at least he asked questions that he thought both his guests and the more intelligent viewers tuning in would find interesting. There is simply a limit as to where idiotic drivel and a few moments of humor can go beyond, and most talk shows dwell there almost entirely!
Very true but you also have to take into account the caliber of his guest. They were true actors/actresses's, entertainers etc. Way more deep and intelligent than the crop of talent today. Of course that's just my opinion. Still though your comment/observation is dead on. Thank you.
I used to watch Cavett's talk show, though I always watched Carson's monologue before switching over. Of course, you are correct about Cavett's style, but he could do that because there was no way to compete with Johnny Carson for audience share, so Cavett's niche was probably about as big a chunk of audience that anything up against The Tonight Show could have gotten. Of course he still got cancelled.
I totally agree. It baffles me when I read other comments in other interviews where that trash him for being supercilious. So many people have this pathetic notion that when you ask any kind of deep question to someone in a certain way you are automatically insinuating their stupidity and asserting your dominance.
That's exactly what I think every time I watch one of these old videos of him interviewing people. We have such fucking morons for talk show hosts / content these days.
Dick Cavett was one of the best. Bob Costas had a great show in the 80s/90s he was very much of the same style. Now I think the best host in the US is Trevor Noah, he almost always asks great questions. Seth Meyers isn't bad. Henry Rollins had a show for a while that was really interesting.
Welles while intelligent also comes over a fairly humble and charming here. A profoundly likeable, down to earth guy.
Great listening to a genius, ahead of his time by lite years.
I've always admired those who did what they were told they couldn't do. Today filmmaking is so advanced that it's hard to appreciate how revolutionary Welles was with Citizen Kane. The bigwigs said, "You can't have a fake newsreel in a picture!" But he did. It was pretty much the next step up from his semi-infamous "The War of the Worlds" radio broadcast which was made up primarily of completely fictional (but very realistic-sounding) news bulletins.
It's so nice to see this side of Orson Welles. I've watched a couple of interviews in his later years where he seemed a bit haughty.
One of my favourite actors of all time .nice voice.first batman . Men's man lived life that we all dream of. Friend of world leaders.Now his ashes reside at the bottom of wishing well. what a life.A man that will be remembered.
Absolutely brilliant.
How refreshing honesty is. Citizen Cain is one of the greatest movies with a life message in Rosebud.
Gotta love these guys
Orson Welles was a great filmmaker, director, screenwriter, and actor. And he made the greatest film ever made: Citizen Kane. And he guest starred once on I Love Lucy! What a guy!
I love and miss Mr. Wells. He was such a humble and wonderful man. Very gracious in his interviews. I think it would have been great to see him in a comedy like Cannonball run. He would have been great as a comic foil.
An eloquent gentleman and a dearth today. Thank you for the upload. June 2022
We need a Dick Cavett today.
The good ole days
Thank you
i appreciate how Cavett gives him room to speak without constantly interjecting... back when people had something interesting to say and weren't afraid to be vulnerable
Here in Australia we never got The Dick Cavett Show - at least, I don't ever remember seeing it (I'm of a certain age), but lately I've started watching him on YT. I've always known of him, just never saw him. Present-day talks show hosts could learn a lot from Cavett - not just how to ask interesting questions, but more importantly, how to shut up while the guest is talking and wait until they're finished before asking the next question. These days, the hosts never stop interrupting their guests. I just came from a Stephen Colbert video of an interview he did with Rowan Atkinson about a year ago and he made Atkinson completely lose his train of thought with his constant interrupting - Atkinson even said, "I forgot what I was talking about" at one point.
Perhaps in the future, interrupting will be recognized as a bad thing. Then, civilization can move ahead.
Dick Cavett was the best ever, we didnt get him in the UK so everything has been new to discover for us, The people Dick interviews really open up .The intelligence and real modesty of this great man was incredibly impressive, incredible to watch